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The fact that a manufacturer can disable a vehicle also means they can take the same car and make it worse to force a person to trade up. There is an electric motorcycle brand right now that offers an extended range battery. To get the extended range all you need to do is pay the dealership to unlock the battery capacity. What is stopping these companies from doing the opposite?
The problem is if they disable it & try to reprocess it, you will have grounds to refuse as if its locked in the garage that's private if its parked on your driveway then they have access to it because its close to public road
@michaelhickland4450 If the "owner" has breached the legal agreement, you'll basically have stolen property in your garage so Tesla will have legal costs incurred to get it back meaning the "owner" is liable for those costs too. This is insane and just another example of people not reading agreements that they sign. It does sound like there is no getting round the agreement unless you moved it to another country that was not within the same jurisdiction that the agreement was signed. You'd have to be mental to sign that deal.
I think these terms are not legal. You can put whatever you like in a contract and oblige people to sign it, but that does not make it legally binding under English law. Full payment leads to full ownership and nobody can tell you what to do with your own vehicle. Of course you are free to sell it. I can see a dissatisfied Cybertruck owner who is also a lawyer suing Tesla over this.
I'm pretty sure he made all his money back, and he was careful to make sure he had plenty of government subsidies before he ever took on the automobile project. I don't think he has a huge stake in the long-term success of any of his projects, so long as he makes his money back fairly quickly, which he usually does.
The best thing about your comment is that you watch TH-cam videos about EVs and comment on them. I don’t particularly like minivans, but I have no desire to watch videos about them and disparage people that buy them. You sound like a closeted EV fan
@@OM617aYeah , they are built for cheapness of manufacture, some people naively think because they are spartan looking on the inside that they are modern ,but really they are just cheap and nasty. Given most of the controls are on the centre touchscreen in my view there’s also a big question on whether they are even safe as far as design goes , it’s just bad . No dash binnacle directly in front of the driver , no common sense knobs and buttons in places they really should have them to avoid distraction. They in my view ( Teslas ) in a lot of ways are a piss poor excuse for a car , and don’t get me started on that horrendous abomination and blight on the history of motor cars called the cyber truck.
@@vernonhampton6973 I think we're done here. Whether it can do what a truck can do or not, it'll go up a higher kerb than a lambo and quite frankly be more useful as daily transport. If Elon wasn't such a dick it would be even better and not look so ridiculous.
Because they have a better product than 99% of the auto market in the us and they have better eco system which ironically every other automaker is not connecting to.
@@Globalscanningeyes No! that is all hype! There is no such thing as an eco system with EV's. Rape the land for the batteries yes that's a great idea! And no way of cleanly disposing of them when they die in three years. Oh and when they catch fire???? Then what? What does all that filth going into the air do pray tell!
@@nathansmith7153 Your personal attack on someone who made a very general comment tells me you resent your present situation regarding your EV. Otherwise why would you be so touchy / paranoid?
@@nathansmith71533p per mile? I take it you’re not including depreciation in that running cost? I guess I wouldn’t either IF I owned an EV (I don’t btw) as I’d be as grumpy as you evidently are. Must be hard watching your EVs value melt away like a snowball in hell!
@@nathansmith7153 For $100,000 I can buy a $25,000 car. The remaining $75,000 is more than enough for gas, oil changes and repairs. There will even be plenty of money left over for hoochie girls. 😏
@@nathansmith7153 I like ICE cars. U like EVs. I like great trade-ins U don't. My car is in demand, yours is not! I know yours is not because it is an EV.
@@markadler8968 My comment wasn't comparing the quality of the CyberJunk to that of the Delorean but rather that the CyberJunk will soon be "extinct." I think it's a temporary fad. Elon and his fanboys claim that it looks so futuristic. Well, it is only that in the sense that it looks like something out of a sci-fi movie portraying a dystopian future. I sure hope our future isn't dystopian.
@@nathansmith7153 Is that 'over a million on the reserve list' to buy a Cybertruck from Tesla? Well, that explains it even more. If you desperately wanted a Cybertruck but you knew you were 1,000,000th in line on the list then you'd jump at the chance of buying a second-hand one. Tesla don't want that because they lose the sale.
@@gottliebdee263 What they said. Fanboys and wannabes looking for social media exposure bought what is basically a compromised vehicle imo. I prefer to make good financial decisions.
@@oldbloke204 Then you've made the same mistake that he has. Not everybody that wants/buys an EV is aFanboy or wannabe. You sound like you sit on the opposite side of the EV evangelist coin. Did you ever give a though to use case? Ever consider that some people live in a big city where they have charging at work and home and an EV suits them? No. Thought not. Consider this, many people in places like London never need a car, (but have one anyway), are they idiots? OR...........is it as simple as a horses for courses and personal use case thing.
Hmm well this takes Musk to a new level of arrogance and frankly, it is quite fraudulent in a sense because who in the name of reason ever reads those purchasing contracts even with ICE vehicles unless one is super paranoid? The fact that any EV could possibly be disabled electronically is frightening especially as mentioned one needs to get to a hospital urgently, and put one in a possible life-threatening position. Also I myself have always been too excited when buying a new car and this has never happened to me in over 60 years of car ownership.
Ford requires GT purchasers to sign a contract designating that they will not sell their new toy for at least two years from the date of purchase, an attempt by Ford to ensure the cars are going to end users and not investors bent on flipping the limited-production supercar for a profit.
There is only one answer to this: don't buy anything from Tesla, ever. That aside, don't buy an EV. That aside, don't buy a Cybertruck. That aside, who wants one anyway? On the other hand, if you are utterly tasteless but think you are cool, want to be ridiculed, want to look stupid, and have money to burn, just buy a Cybertruck from Tesla.
@@kensmith5694 It's not true everything wants to kill you in Australia. Most things can, it's just that in true Australian fashion, they can't be arsed. 🤣
You will own nothing... and be happy... Same CEO as Apple??? More like All Capone. Lol... the terrible management there. BTW selling comes with a large (LARGE) depreciation.
Tesla and all Tesla owners (all EV builders and buyers) should have to refund me and all other taxpayers and consumers for all the compliance credits, carbon credits, tax incentives and tax deferments that us non-buyers are being forced to cover so their silly rides are "less expensive".
@@budimpla Yes, typically they make a lot more money than average, so why should poor folks be forced to lower the sale price of an EV by way of government smoke and mirrors?
@@nathansmith7153Smoke and mirrors bud , purchase prices for the EV for a start , depreciation, insurance costs, consumables, the main ones being battery and tyres, and let’s not forget range that diminishes a tiny bit every single time you discharge and charge that EV ! In years to come that already mediocre range is going to become horrible and you will have the choice to sell the car for peanuts or junk it , or replace the massively expensive battery that will cost a big percentage of the car’s original purchase price. EVs are not even versatile, the minute you take them out of ideal EV operating conditions, they become sub standard. In short , the use case for an EV is substantially smaller than a good ice car , I know some undemanding owners that is all they need and are happy with them , that’s their choice, but overall they are inferior to good gas cars. And for transparency , a family member has an EV ( one of the faster ones), it certainly is not cheap, and as we learned at Xmas time with a family emergency , if you have to cover a lot of distance in a hurry and time is utterly important, you cannot rely on an EV.
@@kensmith5694When you look at the big picture mate , and many don’t , you are actually getting substantially less value for your money, insurance alone, double or even triple in some cases , the fact you have a a C gigantic battery that costs a fortune that will at some stage in years to come need replacing on its own is a big black mark against them, depreciation . And let’s not forget, if you need a versatile vehicle to do a vast variety of tasks , an EV is not that vehicle, you are going to need a gas car too .
They can make the truck a big paper weight that can’t be charged at any Tesla chargers. Just a little glimpse of what a social credit score would look like.
Saw one at a restaurant last weekend. Quite a few were gathered around looking at that piece of 4 wheeled looking kitchen appliance. Sadly on the way home we passed the same Tesla kitchen appliance on the side of the highway the driver looked ummm really really pissed. Yep had it less than 2 days less than 100 miles driven and it was road kill in the side of the interstate. Seems like a great purchase to me.
Louis Rossman - this is a perfect topic for you to cover! A perfect reason to find and disable all radio hardware used to connect the car to the internet.
I suspect this legalise was written when the CyberTruck was thought to be highly sought after with very restricted availability. They probably envisaged owners who were first in the queue being able to sell there CyberTrucks for double what they paid. Made sense then, but now that the world has found that CyberTrucks are crap and no one wants them the legal clauses no longer make sense.
Say you finance the truck, then can't pay and the bank repossesses it. Then what? The bank can't sell their property? Or better yet, the truck is granted by a judge in a divorce settlement to the other party.
They are great, I have had 2, But I also have an ICE for long trips. Around town they are super cars. Fast, smooth, quiet, and drive great due to low center of gravity. Planet saver? Nope. For everyone? Nope. but for people like me, I love it. Drive it all day, plug in at home, get up the next morning with a full tank.
When it comes to car dealers remotely shutting down vehicles, I've seen it happen with US Auto. They would have an alarm go off in the car if you were late on your payment every time the car started. Then they'd remotely shut down the car if payment was never sent. It was a franchise used car dealership based in Lawrenceville, GA, and they recently shut down abruptly with no notice to employees or customers who had vehicles financed with them! It was all over the local news with horror stories about people not knowing that they were shutting down, and they continued to pay their car note, but some of the payments never made it to new owners of the loan, and it resulted in some customer's cars being repossessed even tho they did nothing wrong.
The CT owner that plans to get a Model 3 , clearly has not had enough. Please do sign up for more abuse. Get in the cafeteria line ! Give me the pork bun with lots of maggots on it !
@@nathansmith7153 So what's the point of ever faster acceleration especially if going harder reduces your already shorter range? I can be in and out of a petrol station in a few minutes and have many hours of driving if I'm going any distance. How is having to find a charger that works and spending far longer there charging a benefit? Also my car has predictable ranges in all weathers, road conditions and when towing. Also my vehicle hasn't depreciated faster than it accelerates. I work on total cost of ownership which has worked very well for us.
@@nathansmith7153 How exactly do I need to drive Elon's rubbish to know they catch fire, or suffer suspension collapse, or suffer an autopilot fail? Unlike the people who buy them, I can read.
Then the original BMW 850i came out, there was a clause in the contract that you couldn’t sell it for 3 years but BMW tech’s told me that they knew one had changed hands 7 times in a month for over twice the price. All this about 2 months before the original customer was taking delivery of it. Unfortunately I don’t know the outcome as I stopped working in that area.
We purchased our 2018 F/350 Power Stroke Long bed Limited for $84k (Z plan). Today with 60k miles we can still sell it for what we bought it for. Plus it will only be on the market for a few days (unless there is a bidding War which could take a bit more time to sort). Why should Anyone buy a Cyber Truck ?/
Covenants like that are often used on houses - so I'd suggest that the legal precedent has been set already. As an example, a mate's house decreed that the occupiers weren't allowed to be "obscene" indoors or out (used to be church land). Having said that, they are rarely enforced; my house isn't allowed a satellite dish (but does, as do about 50% of the houses in the road).
Oh no Tesla doesn't want scalpers to buy and resell their toy truck. Also if you bought it, you deserve it. The Cybertruck is a toy car for people who has way too much money, if you a normal person and bought it to use it as a normal car, that's on you.
Such a deal... Sounds reasonable, I always have a clause like this in a bill of sale... kind of like the software industry no longer selling you the software, but only leasing a license that may be deactivated if you don't pay. Purrphekt.
technically, I heard that the person that actually owns the vehicle is the manufacturer, the title just gives you the right to drive it and repair it, the manufacturer owns it because they built it, I'm no lawyer, but I think I heard it from a judge, it would be something to look up if you have the time
from what I was told the true owner of something is the one that makes it, and the title just lets you make discissions on what to do with it, and if you want to get right down to it, nobody actually owns anything, we are actually just renting everything@@iancarrington1967
Tesla is following Ubisoft's comment that "You will own nothing and you will be happy". They will actually turn your vehicle off and come repossess it.
The first lawsuit will be really interesting especially if that Cybercapola owner is really well off. My guess is that he will win big time as what Tesla has done is for all intent, an illegal contract in most US states. I doubt that it will be a problem in Scotland as most of those single track roads in the hinterlands of Scotland (and, yes in both Irelands, England and Wales as well) will barely hold a standard size ICE car. That is if they can ever legally be imported tho the Isles!
I agree with this 50K punishment for reselling a cybertruck as being a very good thought by Tesla. Not for that one owner but... Any product available in limited quantities can get upscale prices far above original costprice. Buyers know this. Tesla only wants to make it more difficult for traders to buy tesla's and sell them directly again above market prices. They do the same (in the netherlands) with houses and appartments. You must live in the house yourself and are not allowed to sell iut for a higher porice than you bought it for the first 10 years. Blocking people with too much mponey to buy a lot of houses for making profit ...on costs of other people.
Well as far as I am aware the Cybertruck cannot be sold in UK as it doesn’t meet build requirements for UK market. As to this particular video, if it were allowed to be sold in UK this T&C would be classed as unworkable under the unfair terms & conditions laws.
It is hard to see that "ethics" would be any part of a person's decision to purchase a Cybertruck, it may be an EV but the design is brutal in respect to the environment, fellow road users and pedestrians. It is bizarrely exempt from crash-test approval, and the sharp edges would prevent its sale in Europe. Within six months it will no doubt earn a reputation for decapitating someone in what should have been a minor accident. Applying logic suggests that the launch price and the current premium is going to be short lived, someone following through on their option to purchase should expect to have about six months to make a return on their investment, after that, expect the Cybertruck Foundation model to be among the fastest depreciating vehicles in history, as the novelty value disappears. It is hard to square Tesla being an ethical company. As an "EV only" vehicle manufacturer it should be, but the CEO is fast becoming a Trump sycophant and it it hard to consider a man as "good" who in the same week as announcing "There is nothing I hate more," 10% job cuts, follows the crocodile tears up by issuing a personal pay demand for $55B, and is capable of sacking an entire 500 strong Supercharger team in a knee jerk response to a disagreement with the division's female Director. It will be interesting to see if the restriction to prevent the sale of something that is likely to lose value in six months time is legal, or if attempted to enforce, would end up severely damaging the company's reputation. Tesla are slowing gaining a reputation for being arrogant in the way they treat their customers on the cusp of implying that it is privilege and not a right to own a Tesla.
It's just another reason not to buy a new car,if the manufacturer can actually render the vehicle non operating if you don't do as they say ,by remote means, it's scary.say god forbid someone hacks the manufacturers whole computer system, could the hackers disable everyone of there cars for a ransom fee ?.
Tesla is in charge of the transfer anyway, apart from a government transfer, tesla must give the new owner of a used tesla, the ability to use the computer, the car is bricked from their end.
He did not say you could not raffle the car, totally different from selling. Who in there right mind would buy any EV? There is so many negatives about them, the fan club boys and corporations have bought them, but normal people still want an ICE car. The governments EV dream is coming to an end, manufacturers are realizing this after losing millions on them.
Ok. 1) Insurers are 'getting it', right? 2) When will lenders, those who finance auto loans, begin to 'get it', if ever? 3) When will Tesla become "Buy here, Pay here?" 4) When will sales go to zero?
Is it possible that a human can even contemplate buying something on these conditions? If so there is definitely no thinking capacity in said human. Maybe they want people not buying them so they can stop making them. That I think is the only plausible reason for this madness.
A good policy would be, just don't buy the bloody thing in the first place, unless your that type of person that just can't do without it. The feature to disable my own vehicle it IS total BS, lets say I paid cash for this POS and it's mine lock stock and barrel, it's my right to sale it to whom ever I please, Tesla if you don't like it to bloody bad!
Yeah, you paid for the right to drive it, except you don't have the right to drive it, because Tesla can even take that away from you. So what did you really buy?
They don't need to worry about that because they are not legal to drive in Europe. I guess pedestrian safety and the safety of everyone else on the road with this abortion of a truck don't matter to electric jesus.
Sounds almost like an NDA. They’re going to tell you what to do with your own stuff forever. The thing is a joke just like the Hummer was. People always scramble for the new shiny thing. PT Barnum is laughing his ass off.
Stupid is as stupid does!
To quote a man called Canada Bill Jones "It is a moral outrage to allow a fool to keep their money".
The fact that a manufacturer can disable a vehicle also means they can take the same car and make it worse to force a person to trade up. There is an electric motorcycle brand right now that offers an extended range battery. To get the extended range all you need to do is pay the dealership to unlock the battery capacity. What is stopping these companies from doing the opposite?
The problem is if they disable it & try to reprocess it, you will have grounds to refuse as if its locked in the garage that's private if its parked on your driveway then they have access to it because its close to public road
@michaelhickland4450 If the "owner" has breached the legal agreement, you'll basically have stolen property in your garage so Tesla will have legal costs incurred to get it back meaning the "owner" is liable for those costs too.
This is insane and just another example of people not reading agreements that they sign.
It does sound like there is no getting round the agreement unless you moved it to another country that was not within the same jurisdiction that the agreement was signed.
You'd have to be mental to sign that deal.
Wow. They took the DLC approach to vehicles. That's effn horrible.
I think these terms are not legal. You can put whatever you like in a contract and oblige people to sign it, but that does not make it legally binding under English law.
Full payment leads to full ownership and nobody can tell you what to do with your own vehicle. Of course you are free to sell it.
I can see a dissatisfied Cybertruck owner who is also a lawyer suing Tesla over this.
News Flash ! It’s not only electric vehicles with this feature
If you can't sell it then you don't own it
You own nothing and u will be happy :D (Klauss Shwabb)
True
Who would want to buy one of those to start with? It looks like the gable end of a house. Musk needs taken down a peg ot two, man is a numpty.
I am going to disagree in that the gable end of a house doesn't look bad.
I'm pretty sure he made all his money back, and he was careful to make sure he had plenty of government subsidies before he ever took on the automobile project. I don't think he has a huge stake in the long-term success of any of his projects, so long as he makes his money back fairly quickly, which he usually does.
He's an evil idiot.
He's the richest numpty in the world!🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
The best thing about EV's is that they identify idiots.
The best thing about your comment is that you watch TH-cam videos about EVs and comment on them. I don’t particularly like minivans, but I have no desire to watch videos about them and disparage people that buy them. You sound like a closeted EV fan
So it's a $50k lease up front. Great reason not to buy a Tesla.
I can think of an even better reason not to buy a Tesla 🔥🔥🔥
@@OM617aYeah , they are built for cheapness of manufacture, some people naively think because they are spartan looking on the inside that they are modern ,but really they are just cheap and nasty.
Given most of the controls are on the centre touchscreen in my view there’s also a big question on whether they are even safe as far as design goes , it’s just bad .
No dash binnacle directly in front of the driver , no common sense knobs and buttons in places they really should have them to avoid distraction.
They in my view ( Teslas ) in a lot of ways are a piss poor excuse for a car , and don’t get me started on that horrendous abomination and blight on the history of motor cars called the cyber truck.
Buying a Lambo makes more sense than a CyberSkip!!
Cyberskip LMAO!
@@NB_NB_NB Cybertrough.
Until you have to mount a kerb.
@@gottliebdee263 Since it can't do what a truck is supposed to do, I'd seriously doubt that...
@@vernonhampton6973 I think we're done here.
Whether it can do what a truck can do or not, it'll go up a higher kerb than a lambo and quite frankly be more useful as daily transport.
If Elon wasn't such a dick it would be even better and not look so ridiculous.
Just another reason not to purchase a Tesla. Why would you anyhow🙃
to save the planet buy digging it up to build batteries
Because they have a better product than 99% of the auto market in the us and they have better eco system which ironically every other automaker is not connecting to.
@@Globalscanningeyes No! that is all hype! There is no such thing as an eco system with EV's. Rape the land for the batteries yes that's a great idea! And no way of cleanly disposing of them when they die in three years. Oh and when they catch fire???? Then what? What does all that filth going into the air do pray tell!
@@Globalscanningeyes, you are ridiculous.
@@Globalscanningeyes The car controlling you, rather than the other way round. I take my meal breaks when I decide, not when the car does.
Who in their right mind pays $100,000 to Beta test a mobile urinal ?
Because EVs represent such a good value to the motorist 😂😂😂😂😂
@@nathansmith7153 Your personal attack on someone who made a very general comment tells me you resent your present situation regarding your EV. Otherwise why would you be so touchy / paranoid?
@@nathansmith71533p per mile? I take it you’re not including depreciation in that running cost? I guess I wouldn’t either IF I owned an EV (I don’t btw) as I’d be as grumpy as you evidently are. Must be hard watching your EVs value melt away like a snowball in hell!
Exactly 😂😂😂!!!
@@nathansmith7153 For $100,000 I can buy a $25,000 car. The remaining $75,000 is more than enough for gas, oil changes and repairs. There will even be plenty of money left over for hoochie girls. 😏
@@nathansmith7153 I like ICE cars. U like EVs. I like great trade-ins U don't. My car is in demand, yours is not! I know yours is not because it is an EV.
what a shitbox, next year worth 3 bucks
It'll be worthless soon anyway
It’ll be on fire 🔥
I predict the hideous CyberJunk will go the way of the Delorean.
Please stop being accurate.
@@sherlockholmes6990 My friend owns one and the stainless steel is of far better quality than the cybertruck
@@markadler8968 My comment wasn't comparing the quality of the CyberJunk to that of the Delorean but rather that the CyberJunk will soon be "extinct." I think it's a temporary fad. Elon and his fanboys claim that it looks so futuristic. Well, it is only that in the sense that it looks like something out of a sci-fi movie portraying a dystopian future. I sure hope our future isn't dystopian.
They probably realise that they're going to have trouble selling enough themselves and they don't want to lose sales to the used-car market.
@@nathansmith7153 Is that 'over a million on the reserve list' to buy a Cybertruck from Tesla? Well, that explains it even more. If you desperately wanted a Cybertruck but you knew you were 1,000,000th in line on the list then you'd jump at the chance of buying a second-hand one. Tesla don't want that because they lose the sale.
@@nathansmith7153 They don't have a reserve list. Tesla are currently sitting on 4000 Garbage Trucks that they can't sell.
@@nathansmith7153that’s fake news. They made that up.
@@nathansmith7153
Apparently hella people cancelled their orders after the price went to $70-80k, or $100k for the founders edition.
@@nathansmith7153 Or you're completely divorced from reality. One of the two.
Tesla's business model is awful.
Well they did it because its no competition(China stuff 100% tax lol). Now u see how your country corporations works.
Buy a license to use a Tesla lol. He can feck off
And if the coolant system leaks the warranty doesnt cover it, what a huge con job..
There is a sucker born every minute when there is another EV owner. Even more arrogance from those who are stupid enough to buy a Cybertruck.
That’s bollox.
@@gottliebdee263 Sounds about right to me.
@@oldbloke204 What I said or what he said?
@@gottliebdee263 What they said.
Fanboys and wannabes looking for social media exposure bought what is basically a compromised vehicle imo.
I prefer to make good financial decisions.
@@oldbloke204 Then you've made the same mistake that he has.
Not everybody that wants/buys an EV is aFanboy or wannabe. You sound like you sit on the opposite side of the EV evangelist coin.
Did you ever give a though to use case? Ever consider that some people live in a big city where they have charging at work and home and an EV suits them? No. Thought not.
Consider this, many people in places like London never need a car, (but have one anyway), are they idiots?
OR...........is it as simple as a horses for courses and personal use case thing.
That’s outrageous, the answer is don’t go near Tesla
My favorite part is that they can remotely disable your vehicle. Its why my cars are 18 years or older.
who would buy a car and let Musk spy on them .... big pass
Facts
40 years old
Who wants to own a pile of junk
I think most owners are desperate to get rid of this pile of shit.
Wow! And I thought Apple was a dictatorship, these people are insane!
Hmm well this takes Musk to a new level of arrogance and frankly, it is quite fraudulent in a sense because who in the name of reason ever reads those purchasing contracts even with ICE vehicles unless one is super paranoid? The fact that any EV could possibly be disabled electronically is frightening especially as mentioned one needs to get to a hospital urgently, and put one in a possible life-threatening position. Also I myself have always been too excited when buying a new car and this has never happened to me in over 60 years of car ownership.
Who wants to buy a car that looks like a rough sketch of a 7 year old.
If I'm buying a car, and the stipulation was not being able to sell, I wouldn't buy that car, even if I like the car.
Ford requires GT purchasers to sign a contract designating that they will not sell their new toy for at least two years from the date of purchase, an attempt by Ford to ensure the cars are going to end users and not investors bent on flipping the limited-production supercar for a profit.
If you’re silly enough to buy one you deserve to be sued.
There is only one answer to this: don't buy anything from Tesla, ever.
That aside, don't buy an EV.
That aside, don't buy a Cybertruck.
That aside, who wants one anyway?
On the other hand, if you are utterly tasteless but think you are cool, want to be ridiculed, want to look stupid, and have money to burn, just buy a Cybertruck from Tesla.
These are constructed so dangerously they are cannot be registered in Australia.
Yes, the place where everything wants to kill you considers them too dangerous to allow. It says something about how bad they are.
Europe the same.
Nor the UK.
@@kensmith5694 It's not true everything wants to kill you in Australia. Most things can, it's just that in true Australian fashion, they can't be arsed. 🤣
@@coopdivi :) :) :) :)
Never buy a connected car.
You will own nothing... and be happy...
Same CEO as Apple??? More like All Capone.
Lol... the terrible management there.
BTW selling comes with a large (LARGE) depreciation.
Tesla and all Tesla owners (all EV builders and buyers) should have to refund me and all other taxpayers and consumers for all the compliance credits, carbon credits, tax incentives and tax deferments that us non-buyers are being forced to cover so their silly rides are "less expensive".
@DHW256, Excellent comnent.
@DHW256, os donos de EVs devem, às pessoas normais, milhões de dolares.
@@budimpla Yes, typically they make a lot more money than average, so why should poor folks be forced to lower the sale price of an EV by way of government smoke and mirrors?
Unbelievable !! You must be a total pillock if you agree to these outrageous clauses when buying a cybertruck !! 🤮🤮🤮
The whole disabling your car is nuts. I'll stick to my combustion engine cars thank you very much
Yet another reason to never buy ANY EV!!!
@@nathansmith7153 For the time being...
There are others that look like a reasonable deal. I like the idea of charging it at night.
@@nathansmith7153Smoke and mirrors bud , purchase prices for the EV for a start , depreciation, insurance costs, consumables, the main ones being battery and tyres, and let’s not forget range that diminishes a tiny bit every single time you discharge and charge that EV !
In years to come that already mediocre range is going to become horrible and you will have the choice to sell the car for peanuts or junk it , or replace the massively expensive battery that will cost a big percentage of the car’s original purchase price.
EVs are not even versatile, the minute you take them out of ideal EV operating conditions, they become sub standard.
In short , the use case for an EV is substantially smaller than a good ice car , I know some undemanding owners that is all they need and are happy with them , that’s their choice, but overall they are inferior to good gas cars.
And for transparency , a family member has an EV ( one of the faster ones), it certainly is not cheap, and as we learned at Xmas time with a family emergency , if you have to cover a lot of distance in a hurry and time is utterly important, you cannot rely on an EV.
@@kensmith5694When you look at the big picture mate , and many don’t , you are actually getting substantially less value for your money, insurance alone, double or even triple in some cases , the fact you have a a C gigantic battery that costs a fortune that will at some stage in years to come need replacing on its own is a big black mark against them, depreciation .
And let’s not forget, if you need a versatile vehicle to do a vast variety of tasks , an EV is not that vehicle, you are going to need a gas car too .
@nathansmith7153 what's the resale value of your EV, little fella? BAHAHAHAHA!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
They can make the truck a big paper weight that can’t be charged at any Tesla chargers. Just a little glimpse of what a social credit score would look like.
Saw one at a restaurant last weekend. Quite a few were gathered around looking at that piece of 4 wheeled looking kitchen appliance. Sadly on the way home we passed the same Tesla kitchen appliance on the side of the highway the driver looked ummm really really pissed. Yep had it less than 2 days less than 100 miles driven and it was road kill in the side of the interstate. Seems like a great purchase to me.
Ferrari has pre-requisites to purchase from them, but that is FERRARI!!
Louis Rossman - this is a perfect topic for you to cover! A perfect reason to find and disable all radio hardware used to connect the car to the internet.
I suspect this legalise was written when the CyberTruck was thought to be highly sought after with very restricted availability. They probably envisaged owners who were first in the queue being able to sell there CyberTrucks for double what they paid. Made sense then, but now that the world has found that CyberTrucks are crap and no one wants them the legal clauses no longer make sense.
Say you finance the truck, then can't pay and the bank repossesses it. Then what? The bank can't sell their property? Or better yet, the truck is granted by a judge in a divorce settlement to the other party.
4:03 I work at a RAM dealership so when I saw my first Cybertruck in person I was actually surprised at how small it is.
Who in their right mind would by an ev in the first place
They are great, I have had 2, But I also have an ICE for long trips. Around town they are super cars. Fast, smooth, quiet, and drive great due to low center of gravity. Planet saver? Nope. For everyone? Nope. but for people like me, I love it. Drive it all day, plug in at home, get up the next morning with a full tank.
“You will own nothing and you will be happy”
Ok, I've got the first part down pat. Still waiting for that second part to happen though.
How arrogant of Tesla to think their Cybertruck will go up in value!
When it comes to car dealers remotely shutting down vehicles, I've seen it happen with US Auto. They would have an alarm go off in the car if you were late on your payment every time the car started. Then they'd remotely shut down the car if payment was never sent. It was a franchise used car dealership based in Lawrenceville, GA, and they recently shut down abruptly with no notice to employees or customers who had vehicles financed with them!
It was all over the local news with horror stories about people not knowing that they were shutting down, and they continued to pay their car note, but some of the payments never made it to new owners of the loan, and it resulted in some customer's cars being repossessed even tho they did nothing wrong.
The CT owner that plans to get a Model 3 , clearly has not had enough. Please do sign up for more abuse. Get in the cafeteria line ! Give me the pork bun with lots of maggots on it !
@@nathansmith7153 You don't need to drive an EV to know they're rubbish.
If you're not in the cult you don't understand the privilege of getting abused by the corporate cult leaders.
@@nathansmith7153 How is a different drivetrain so much better exactly?
@@nathansmith7153 So what's the point of ever faster acceleration especially if going harder reduces your already shorter range?
I can be in and out of a petrol station in a few minutes and have many hours of driving if I'm going any distance.
How is having to find a charger that works and spending far longer there charging a benefit?
Also my car has predictable ranges in all weathers, road conditions and when towing.
Also my vehicle hasn't depreciated faster than it accelerates.
I work on total cost of ownership which has worked very well for us.
@@nathansmith7153 How exactly do I need to drive Elon's rubbish to know they catch fire, or suffer suspension collapse, or suffer an autopilot fail? Unlike the people who buy them, I can read.
How do I sign up for being refused a Tesla?
You can't sell it because Tesla doesn't want you to know how much Depreciation there will be. Pay 120k for a "truck", 1 year later its worth 1/2 that.
Not enforceable under UK law. You are protected from unreasonable terms and conditions in the UK.
If is my car I should be able to sell it if I want
someone in America has already sold one and doubled his purchase price, this is what tesla is trying to prevent
Musk has lost the plot
No, he was always like that.
He must have left it in his Tesla, which is now a burnt out shell.
He’s on fire 🔥
Then the original BMW 850i came out, there was a clause in the contract that you couldn’t sell it for 3 years but BMW tech’s told me that they knew one had changed hands 7 times in a month for over twice the price. All this about 2 months before the original customer was taking delivery of it. Unfortunately I don’t know the outcome as I stopped working in that area.
We purchased our 2018 F/350 Power Stroke Long bed Limited for $84k (Z plan).
Today with 60k miles we can still sell it for what we bought it for. Plus it will only be on the market for a few days (unless there is a bidding War which could take a bit more time to sort).
Why should Anyone buy a Cyber Truck ?/
Covenants like that are often used on houses - so I'd suggest that the legal precedent has been set already. As an example, a mate's house decreed that the occupiers weren't allowed to be "obscene" indoors or out (used to be church land). Having said that, they are rarely enforced; my house isn't allowed a satellite dish (but does, as do about 50% of the houses in the road).
Admittedly this is ridiculous, but remember certain ice cars want a subscription to use the heated seats. The world is quite mad.😊
I think it's because they screen who is buying them and they don't want them to get into TH-camrs hands who do independent reviews
NOT POSSIBLE TO ENFORCE THOSE 'TERMS' IN ANY COURT.
Won't affect me. I will never agree to those terms, ever. The reason? I'm not a big enough egotist to even think of owning a Scalextric car.
Well… you’re gonna loose $50k in depreciation within a year either way, so I call it a wash.
Oh no Tesla doesn't want scalpers to buy and resell their toy truck. Also if you bought it, you deserve it. The Cybertruck is a toy car for people who has way too much money, if you a normal person and bought it to use it as a normal car, that's on you.
Such a deal... Sounds reasonable, I always have a clause like this in a bill of sale... kind of like the software industry no longer selling you the software, but only leasing a license that may be deactivated if you don't pay. Purrphekt.
Although I despise Elon, to be fair all limited run production cars do that including special Ferraris and Bugattis
Sounds like a black mirror episode 😬🤖🤣🤣
Its entirely possible, a hacker could disable the truck or a service provider could to drum up roadside assist callouts
technically, I heard that the person that actually owns the vehicle is the manufacturer, the title just gives you the right to drive it and repair it, the manufacturer owns it because they built it, I'm no lawyer, but I think I heard it from a judge, it would be something to look up if you have the time
That makes no sense at all, if you buy something you take ownership that’s what buying means.
from what I was told the true owner of something is the one that makes it, and the title just lets you make discissions on what to do with it, and if you want to get right down to it, nobody actually owns anything, we are actually just renting everything@@iancarrington1967
Tesla is following Ubisoft's comment that "You will own nothing and you will be happy". They will actually turn your vehicle off and come repossess it.
Has there been a court case yet? It seems to me it wouldn't get past consumer rights
The first lawsuit will be really interesting especially if that Cybercapola owner is really well off. My guess is that he will win big time as what Tesla has done is for all intent, an illegal contract in most US states. I doubt that it will be a problem in Scotland as most of those single track roads in the hinterlands of Scotland (and, yes in both Irelands, England and Wales as well) will barely hold a standard size ICE car. That is if they can ever legally be imported tho the Isles!
if they demand to buy they should pay the full price for it
Who would even think of buying one after hearing this?
I agree with this 50K punishment for reselling a cybertruck as being a very good thought by Tesla.
Not for that one owner but...
Any product available in limited quantities can get upscale prices far above original costprice.
Buyers know this.
Tesla only wants to make it more difficult for traders to buy tesla's and sell them directly again above market prices.
They do the same (in the netherlands) with houses and appartments. You must live in the house yourself and are not allowed to sell iut for a higher porice than you bought it for the first 10 years. Blocking people with too much mponey to buy a lot of houses for making profit ...on costs of other people.
All that means is tesla under priced them.
Well as far as I am aware the Cybertruck cannot be sold in UK as it doesn’t meet build requirements for UK market. As to this particular video, if it were allowed to be sold in UK this T&C would be classed as unworkable under the unfair terms & conditions laws.
To force a higher new/sale price, limit the amount of used available
Penalizing resales only works with vehicles that appreciate. The Ford GT comes to mind. The Cyber shit is not a Ford GT.
It is hard to see that "ethics" would be any part of a person's decision to purchase a Cybertruck, it may be an EV but the design is brutal in respect to the environment, fellow road users and pedestrians. It is bizarrely exempt from crash-test approval, and the sharp edges would prevent its sale in Europe. Within six months it will no doubt earn a reputation for decapitating someone in what should have been a minor accident.
Applying logic suggests that the launch price and the current premium is going to be short lived, someone following through on their option to purchase should expect to have about six months to make a return on their investment, after that, expect the Cybertruck Foundation model to be among the fastest depreciating vehicles in history, as the novelty value disappears.
It is hard to square Tesla being an ethical company. As an "EV only" vehicle manufacturer it should be, but the CEO is fast becoming a Trump sycophant and it it hard to consider a man as "good" who in the same week as announcing "There is nothing I hate more," 10% job cuts, follows the crocodile tears up by issuing a personal pay demand for $55B, and is capable of sacking an entire 500 strong Supercharger team in a knee jerk response to a disagreement with the division's female Director.
It will be interesting to see if the restriction to prevent the sale of something that is likely to lose value in six months time is legal, or if attempted to enforce, would end up severely damaging the company's reputation.
Tesla are slowing gaining a reputation for being arrogant in the way they treat their customers on the cusp of implying that it is privilege and not a right to own a Tesla.
These days we own nothing... Companies want to charge us for breathing and we'll need to employ a legal team to buy a coffee 😢
Where do you even find a parking space in today's lots for this beast?
It's just another reason not to buy a new car,if the manufacturer can actually render the vehicle non operating if you don't do as they say ,by remote means, it's scary.say god forbid someone hacks the manufacturers whole computer system, could the hackers disable everyone of there cars for a ransom fee ?.
Tesla is in charge of the transfer anyway, apart from a government transfer, tesla must give the new owner of a used tesla, the ability to use the computer, the car is bricked from their end.
There can be only one reason Tesla does this. They know that their truck is crap.
So basically just drive it over something damaging the battery compartment and the insurance will pay it out.
What stupid times we live on hey 👋.
He did not say you could not raffle the car, totally different from selling.
Who in there right mind would buy any EV? There is so many negatives about them, the fan club boys and corporations have bought them, but normal people still want an ICE car. The governments EV dream is coming to an end, manufacturers are realizing this after losing millions on them.
Not currently a legal condition of sale in the UK.
Fortunately this car will never be sold in the UK or EU as it's too dangerous.
Please advise if this is Tesla’s finance deal. They were offering .9% finance!
Ok. 1) Insurers are 'getting it', right?
2) When will lenders, those who finance auto loans, begin to 'get it', if ever?
3) When will Tesla become "Buy here, Pay here?"
4) When will sales go to zero?
This is a Lawyer’s Picnic
As if I need another reason to NEVER buy a Cyberfuck😂
They aren’t type approved for the UK anyway or, probably Europe. Zero pedestrian safety in a collision.
Elon doesn't care about pedestrians or other people on the road apparently.
Is it possible that a human can even contemplate buying something on these conditions? If so there is definitely no thinking capacity in said human. Maybe they want people not buying them so they can stop making them. That I think is the only plausible reason for this madness.
Tesla cannot limit the number of cars per person because they also sell fleets.
A good policy would be, just don't buy the bloody thing in the first place, unless your that type of person that just can't do without it. The feature to disable my own vehicle it IS total BS, lets say I paid cash for this POS and it's mine lock stock and barrel, it's my right to sale it to whom ever I please, Tesla if you don't like it to bloody bad!
This is just Tesla saying that you don't actually own the CyberTruck, you only paid for the right to drive it.
Yeah, you paid for the right to drive it, except you don't have the right to drive it, because Tesla can even take that away from you. So what did you really buy?
lol they literally cannot do that. Totally not lawful.
Anybody even considering the purchase of a Cybertruck must be sectioned immediately.
Don’t forget they can do the same thing with “Thier “ power walls
American law maybe. Not likely to stand up to English or Scottish consumer protection laws or common law.
They don't need to worry about that because they are not legal to drive in Europe. I guess pedestrian safety and the safety of everyone else on the road with this abortion of a truck don't matter to electric jesus.
You might as well tell me to walk away. Tesla has lost their frikken minds.
Sounds almost like an NDA. They’re going to tell you what to do with your own stuff forever. The thing is a joke just like the Hummer was. People always scramble for the new shiny thing. PT Barnum is laughing his ass off.