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arasha seems like an emotionally and logically smart person to be around. glad she was able to join this video.
Is she a new cast member?
I also believe
She is a crew member but every once in awhile she joins in with the cast
what happens when you add college grads to the cast
@@111_23 Shayne has a degree, doesn't he?
Tommy, Amanda and Keith defs didn't understand the question about drinking culture, there's a complete difference between the culture around drinking and enjoying it yourself. For sure, drinking is fun, but the culture around it is incredibly toxic; advertisements and friends all lead to peer pressure and Courtney's 100% right about songs and media hyping up drinking to blacking out - not healthy
courtney's response to "jesus drank wine" being "and he was crucified!" needs acknowledgment
Jesus was crucified for claiming to be God, not for drinking wine.
And, no i’m not fun at parties….
@@edwardbrownson2152 cool good job missing a joke completely.
@@eminemfan50098 I got the joke and it was quick witted. It just wasn’t that particularly funny.
@@edwardbrownson2152 glad you knew that from the get go!
just Courtney being witty lol
If your kid asks you "what is murder?" Just say a group of crows. It's not lying.
It's answering a different question, haha.
I was just about to write that 🤣
Exactly what I was thinking!
This was actually my first response lmao
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂t😂t😂t😂t😂😂
Whenever Ian is in these he always makes it interesting cuse he's confidently awkward
You can also call that intelligent I guess 🤔
He has maybe unusual opinion or different perspective on some topics. But thats often because he thought about it in ways others didn't.
Ian is literally me 90% of the time lol
He’s hit peak millennial.
@@perfessorclown5543 truly a concentration of an entire generation
@The Stammering Dunce he also seems genuinely kind hearted and humble as well, even while being everyone’s boss. I respect that. ‘Tis cute
Former alcoholic here. Thanks Courtney. Drinking culture is toxic and I think the others didn’t take your points seriously.
yeah most of my tio’s (uncles) were really heavy alcoholic’s and it got really bad to the point where our family was afraid of them or to be near them when they drank, seeing them not taking it seriously was like kinda offensive seeing them treat its not a big deal
keith’s and amanda’s pov and the whole “maybe you’re toxic” is exactly why drinking culture is toxic… like the point is to let people be happy and good and social without a drink, there is no need to ostracize or leave them out of the social situation if they don’t feel like drinking, but it seems like to “let loose and be sociable”, drinking culture makes it seem like having a drink is a must but it shouldnt be
I think what they meant was “if you become toxic when drunk, it’s probably not the alcohol and drinking culture that’s toxic, it’s that you’re a toxic person”. Which I understand. I still think there is an unreasonable expectation to drink socially, and to push people who don’t want to drink into drinking situations, and I say this as a m-fing BARTENDER. My job is literally to pour drinks for you, and I think the peer pressure (and self-pressure) to drink is toxic af
unless you're 15, no one's forcing you to do anything. Just grow the fuck up and don't drink if you don't want to
I think they were also joking a little. Like they weren’t actually calling them toxic, but they were a little immature due to the more difficult position they were holding
@@ProsperoFinch “if you become toxic when drunk, it’s probably not the alcohol and drinking culture that’s toxic, it’s that you’re a toxic person” that's not drinking culture you're making the exact same mistake they did. Drinking culture is the culture people developed around drinking alcohol that in order to have fun you need to be drunk, and you need to keep drinking, pressuring other people into drinking because they're lame if they don't, pushing you to drink till you black out and can't remember because that means you had a great time, pushing that it's everyone else's has the problem not you like how Keith said you're toxic. Drinking culture is the toxic and negative culture that has been built around drinking not the act of drinking itself and what the drinking does to you specifically.
I would also like to point out how people who talk about "toxic drinking culture " usually demonize anyone who enjoys drinking
Not gonna lie... this is one of my new favorite segments these guys have done that I absolutely adore and enjoy watching. We need deeper takes now. Much deeper.
Agreed
Agreed!!
I agree!!!
I agree as well!
I agree
Keith, explaining why he's a good person.
Me, flashing back to him throwing a rock at people's nuts during the summer games.
He's a good person, not a pacifist.
@@MrRandomson whining during a game doesn’t make you a bad person…..
Being a strategist doesn't make you a bad person 😅😅😅
Me flashing back to when he bought himself a present that was supposed to be for Flitz
@@disturbedenvironmentalist2313 That was exactly what i was thinking about 😆 That was sooo bad
Nothing against drinking in general, nor against the other Smosh members, but the reactions everyone else had to Courtney and Arasha’s stance on drinking culture exactly proved why drinking culture can be so toxic.
what i said!! it was so hurtful to me especially since my family are all like so obsessed and badly reactive when it comes to drinking and seeing them say “were toxic” was like really offensive to me and probably to others
@@cccctrrrllllll It's just jokes
Arasha isn't just funny, but also very well-spoken and insightful. Great addition to the cast!
Not too mention ✨STUNNING ✨
YES! love her, she's an amazing addition.
I thought you said "Arasha just isn't funny" and I got whiplash from the end
I’m so glad I scrolled through the comments so I could see it wasn’t just me being weird you used the same words I did.
As someone who can't drink for medical reasons, I've often felt excluded from so many events and pastimes because EVERYONE else is drinking and it makes me feel out of the group.
As someone who likewise has that issue (fuck you Gout), get over it? Or find better people that don't think drinking is totally recreational.
Even just having a fun non-alcoholic drink or mocktail option does so much to help me feel included, but so many places/events don’t even have that! It’s so disappointing
Is that because they’ve made comments about it or is it just a personal feeling that you have? Because if it’s the latter then you can’t really blame the culture for that.
@@Nandoswitharandoyoure seeing it in a different light. you for sure get looks at you when you choose to not drink or order mocktails
I feel like I made myself sounds like I got jango for the brand deals- that is NOT what I meant 😭
Jango is a strong independent dog who can pay for himself 💁
Very well said about drinking culture. Ive drank too much in life n of course enjoy it but who would want the culture to encompass destroying urself so much
Mad props to Courtney and Arasha for standing up about toxic alcohol culture. It is so hard to speak about it, and you can see just from the immature way the rest of the crew reacted how hard it is to take this position. Like I'm sure some of it was exaggerated for the video, but it's a big problem.
It's a problem for for Americans cause y'all don't have common sense when it comes to drinking.
@@kizxankan6513 oh man, 90% of the people I hang out with start drinking and keep going until they aren't able to discern right from left
And tbh, not being a drinker kind of guy I can't understand how you can have fun in that situation when the morning after you can't even piece stuff together
The ones having most of the fun are me and the other couple guys who don't drink because we see the drinking ones in the weirdest situations haha
@@kizxankan6513 *cut to Irish bars of patrons that overdrink* But wait, there's more! *cut to Germans boasting that they can outdrink Americans* Oh, did you say not enough... *cut to Russians... that's all*
Speaking of a lack of common sense, lol.
@@kizxankan6513 I'm not American. I've seen this be a problem in many countries
This is so true, I’ve never drank so I have witnessed how it can go south really quickly, and people being pressured to drink more happens at almost every gathering where drinking is present. Even if someone discloses that they are the driver, I’ve still seen people try to get them to “just have one drink!” It’s awful
like be honest to kids, but don't vent to them. there are times when you shouldn't go into too much detail. adultification/parentification is a real danger. don't leave them with a sense of instability or anxiety. reassure them that you and other people around them will be there to provide support
Oh my god this is so well said!! _This, so much this!!!_ 100% agree, *every parent should absolutely know and follow this!!!* Thank you for saying this, for sharing it here - I'm definitely saving this! 🥺😭 I feel so validated right now ♥️
*Thank you so much!* I hope you have an amazing day, and that you and your loved ones stay safe, healthy and happy! 🥰🫂
This comment deserves a million likes
Wish my dad could have read this
One of the primary reasons I'm in therapy is because my mom vented to me regularly when I was growing up (and she still kind of does, but we're working on getting her a therapist). I ended up with a savior complex that is heavily rooted in my general anxiety and depression.
I love this.
I love the alcohol culture question because you can see what happens every time you bring it up. On one side you have people saying, "The idea that drinking can make you seem unfun and the addictive nature of alcohol is toxic" and the other side says, "mAyBe uR tOxIc DrInKiNg Is FuN"
Courtney is the only person I would feel safe being a recovering alcoholic around
For real! Nothing against drinking in general, nor against the other Smosh members, but the reactions everyone else had to Courtney and Arasha’s stance on drinking culture exactly proved why drinking culture can be so toxic.
@@mr.moviemafia agreed.
I was hoping someone would make a comment to this effect. Lots of messy takes in that section. I have people in my family who are recovering/struggling alcoholics and I've personally chosen to be sober because of those experiences. Watching that section made my skin crawl a little.
@@calliejo8644 I've lost two uncles due to alcoholism. Another struggles with it, too. I've seen what it's done to my family. I struggled with it as a Teenager. I was able to quit, but another addiction took over. Which I struggle with daily.
@@Cre8iveMud my fraternal grandfather died from alcoholism (pancreas cancer) a few days before I was born, which led to my father missing my birth because he was attending the funeral. I think that messed my dad and me up a bit while I was growing up cause we sort of ended up becoming alcoholics over time. My dad has managed to get it under control in the last few years, but honestly, I'm on the brink of spiraling even though I legally cannot buy it.
Love seeing Arasha routinely cutting to the core of issues
it was so refreshing to have someone really critically thinking about the issues
Tbh I don’t think she really understood Tommy’s point. However I do like what she said regardless
college grad things
@@liamtan5607 damn liam going hard. bet if shayne had been there we'd have got some quality psychological commentary as well
@@emmabunch-benson4795 not sure Tommy understood Tommy's point tbf
About the drinking culture being toxic. I don’t drink but I love going out with friends and love karaoke. One day I was at a bar with friends and this guy with them that I didn’t know came up and wanted to but me a drink. I politely declined and said that I don’t drink. He went from being nice enough to want to buy me a drink angry that I was even there in a matter of seconds. He was almost ready to beat the shit out of me for being sober but being out at a bar. That’s the kind of toxicity I don’t like.
I also don’t drink and I definitely think there are some people who turn it into a toxic thing. I have some friends who are totally cool about it and I’ve met other people who don’t leave you alone about it/get angry. I also just find it strange as an adult how intensely drinking is involved in every single activity. Sometimes I just wanna do an activity not watch people get lit 😂
no way amanda was talking about "we need to spread love and positivity to this world to be good people" and it cuts to the clip of her and keith happily dancing that they don't think toxic drinking culture exists
I like Amanda, but she shouldn't have been in this video, or was put in this video specifically to stir conflict
@@J.Blazer Eh, I disagree.
Amanda always has the worst takes in all of the agree to disagree videos.
I really like Arasha. She's very intelligent both mentally and emotionally, and quite balanced.
I just gotta say drinking culture is 100% toxic. There is so much peer pressure to drink, especially at a younger age. Drinking creates so many mental and physicals health issues for people and the idea that someone is a "buzzkill" for not wanting to is messed up and something that should really be changed as a society. I understand if you as an individual can "handle" yourself, but drinking culture effects everyone and not everyone is so fortunate.
1000%, and I said in another comment - just try not drinking around a bunch of people who are, and see how weird everyone treats you.
Sounds more like you (and the person above me) just hang out and around toxic people. I've been at parties where I didn't drink and it was never a buzzkill and no one treated me differently from the nights when I was drinking. Drinking culture isn't toxic the people you seem to surround yourself with are.
@@ImGoat1995 you can't remove people from culture...people ARE culture. The definition of any culture is inseparable from the people participating in it. Drinking culture is defined as "the way people drink including the formal rules, social norms, attitudes and beliefs around what is and what is not socially acceptable for a group of people before, during and after drinking." As people have noted above, when people call others a "buzzkill" for not drinking, they are making it pretty clear that it's not socially acceptable to not drink around others who are. Again, as this doesn't seem to happen with other social drugs (even things like caffeine), it seems pretty difficult to say it's NOT a part of drinking culture specifically.
@@ImGoat1995 further, your experiences don't invalidate others'.
@@PhilVaive nothing you said here counters my point. It still stems to the fact that the people you surround yourself with are toxic not the culture itself. There are plenty of people who will drink around others and not call them a "buzzkill" and not treat them any differently.
Further your experiences don't dictate the norm.
I know is opinions but I’m really glad Courtney and Arasha stood up against toxic drinking culture. It just is factual. You might not be toxic drinking. But the culture of drinking be the only way to have fun is toxic.
do the people in your life believe that? alcohol is rarely inbolved when i hang out with friends lol, it is absolutely not a fact that that most people think it's the only way to have fun, that's your perception of it lmao
@@highdefinition450it’s not about what small groups do, it’s about statistics and what tends to be promoted and accepted in society
@@highdefinition450that may be your situation but for many others drinking culture is being pressured to drink when you aren't drinking. It's being left out when choosing not to be black out drunk. You can be sober amd still have fun with. your friends but most people don't see it that way and think the person is being weird but if they aren't drinking and you pressure them or expect them to it's just toxic and that's what we are talking about. The culture that drinking is what makes it fun. That you have to drink to have fun is a setting with friends or publicly or even with family. It's being seen as a prude when you're minding ur business trying to be there talking with an un alcoholic beverage and getting judged for it.
Tommy’s answer about trying to convince yourself you’re a good person was actually incredibly reassuring / healing. I’ve often struggled with that spiral of thinking and worrying he talked about so it was really nice to not only be able to relate to someone about those thoughts but also feel like it’s not necessarily something that needs to be approved or affirmed in order to live your life. Just do your best, be a full human, feel all your emotions and respect other beings.
The response of "Maybe you're toxic" seems like such a copout to a bigger issue surrounding Drinking Culture.
YES! More Arasha! It's insane how quickly she fit into the cast.
The way Tommy, Keith and Amanda took the drinking prompt so unseriously proved Arasha's point and they're toxic lol
That whole “maybe you’re toxic” just proved the point as well. Sure, have some drinks to unwind but being proud of considering yourself a drinker is so weird.
@@blueflamet29 I love drinking, it eases my nerves and some of the best times Ive had is when we were all drinking but Im not gonna like peer pressure anyone into it if they say they’re not. If anything Ill probably pressure myself to drink less so that I can still enjoy the time with them
1 they were joking 2 get of your high horse your not a better person just because you don't drink
I'll agree that did throw me off a bit. Drinking Culture is very toxic, with most of it being peer pressure from either people physically being so pushy about it or with it being everyone doing it and you're the only one not. I can 5% understand when people drink for the fun of it but adding on that peer pressure for other people who genuinely don't drink or don't want to at the moment gives me such a huge ICK. Like, let people who don't wanna drink don't. Doesn't matter if they're not "cool" at least they won't get a beer belly or some health issues down the line.
I really did not expect this from Tommy. Huh.
Arasha is wonderful. I'm so glad she joined the cast!
On the drinking culture is toxic question, I'm a hard agree on that because I get so much shit for not wanting to drink. You don't need a reason to not drink! Just let people be!!
Exact same for me. Being the outcast and "lame" person just because you don't need to drink to have as much fun as other people is annoying. Only gets worse if you think about how in almost every party setting, there's almost always an abundance of alcohol (at least from my experience). Brought me to the point where I avoid parties altogether because I know I'll feel at the wrong place and unwelcome. And it's not even something that's wrong with me and still makes me feel guilty.
Nothing wrong with a glass of red wine along to dinner from time to time. Casual drinking is totally fine (even healthy if we're talking red wine -> cancer prevention). But drinking culture nowadays is defined by excessive consume of alcohol in order to "have fun"
@@daiki2455 Yeah! Like, I don't drink because I know I have issues with self control and I don't want to put myself into a situation where I can hurt myself, but my genuine concerns for my health get brushed off or made fun of. Some people straight up can't drink and no matter what the reason is they shouldn't be made to feel bad for it!
Imagine how us straight folk feel when we say we're not into the same sex.
@@codynoth4183 sorry, I don't quite get the point/comparison you're trying to make here
@@codynoth4183 Kinda feels like you're trying to hijack the point with a different topic that doesn't quite compare here :/
Damn Courtney hit the nail on the head with her thoughts on drinking culture imo
honestly i could listen to arasha talk about anything
Ironically, Tommy and Ian are probably the most self aware sweethearts. They just refuse to give themselves the role of judge for being “a good person” ❤
Completely agree.
I don't like to call myself a "good person". What constitutes a good person? Isn't it just interpretation? I feel like, if I feel the need to label myself as a "good person", then I just want to live in mindset of superiority over the people I consider as "bad people". That's not a mindset I want to be in. So like Tommy said, I'll do my best and live up to my own standards as good as I can.
it's so weird to call people bad over questions like these lol, even as a joke. they're really mild opinions lmao how can you judge an entire person with these surface-level questions bruh. if anything, that's worse than whatever side they choose lol
Here's the bottom line: *good people don't think of themselves as good people*
Always love this format! In my opinion, as a 25 year old who doesn't drink, the few times that I have gone to parties with alcohol involved I've felt quite uncomfortable as somehow now people who never talk to me normally are allowed to hit on me or get uncomfortably close in ways they wouldn't at a supermarket or other scenario, so I definitely think the environment/culture is often toxic
I had to drop some people out of my life because I disliked getting bullied and "talked into" having "just one drink."
That's not drinking culture... that's a different culture. And regardless, just don't go to those parties, the fact you said "few" and not "one," just says more.
I’ve only ever been to holiday parties and birthday parties with close friends who were drinking. However, a few times in which people I didn’t know were invited my friends would start getting peer pressured by those unknown people to not only drink more, but to try to get me to drink. They would always get upset when I refuse. However, once those people would be gone or at the next party they weren’t there my friends would drink a normal amount and not even bother to ask me to drink. The toxicity and peer pressure of drinking culture is serious and kinda scary.
It is so toxic and sooo normalized. People think alcohol is part of everyone’s life and it’s expected that people take part in it way more than other drugs.
@@motodog242 sound like you're an issue lol, they are saying that the excuse of alcohol is way too prevalent, and to say "Just don't go" is incredibly dull and straight up toxic. you've proven a point here and it wasn't yours.
I love that Arasha is a moral voice of reason. Not than anybody was wrong, but Arasha took a detached moral position on everything. It's refreshing
"You put an Xbox controller in my hand and I'm good" PROTECT THIS MAN AT ALL COSTS!!!
I just want to say… I have never drank alcohol in my life, and I have been consistently asked why I don’t, and I have been pressured to drink. That is extremely toxic, I’ve never had anyone do that with other drugs.
Arasha is a great debater!! her education in journalism and such really shows. Great addition to this series!
Arasha needs to always be in this series. She effortlessly elevates every topic to a really thoughtful, respectful debate while still keeping the silly goofy vibes
People disagreeing with "Drinking culture is toxic" are not seeing the MACRO problem. Today's drinking culture comes directly from the need of rich people to maintain their hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue a year.. Drinking and smoking/drugs cultures are fed to the world from the liquor and drugs systems, saying they are "toxic" doesn't begin to describe what's wrong with it
I think this is the first time I've actually got angry at one of these lmao, I can't drink for medical reasons and yet magically, I still like to have fun. According to a lot of people, apparently thats no longer possible for me.
i also got unreasonably angry this episode 😭 the way the disagree side took the prompt as a joke was the prime example for why it’s true
i rarely, if ever, drink at parties because i often have to drive home after and it's never been a problem. are the people you're talking about your friends? cause maybe you shouldn't be their friends anymore if that's the case lol
I feel bad for ian that no one asked him to get to the good person side but everyone told Tommy to come to the good person side lmao😬😬😬
he is an adult and makes his decisions
@@luciojb what does that comment even mean? People can feel bad for someone
@@PhilVaive it means Ian doesn't need to be reassured that he's a good person. He makes his own decisions and lives with the consequences. Only he knows the intentions behind his actions, and doesn't need outside perception to dictate his own feelings towards them.
@@flipotssss cool so you're just spouting a bunch of nonsense to hide the fact the comment that guys replying to was being a giant fucking asshole, with no sympathy, care or respect for others. Good job
That's cuz the two people at the front of the good person side don't belong there lmao
Arasha was my favorite in this, incredibly confident in her opinions and so well spoken and focused on her points. Definitely looking forward to more of her, if smoshcast ever comes back she would be a great addition.
Keith being high as a kite for these kinda serious talks is a vibe.
Arasha is very well-spoken, I already like her.
i feel like amanda followed keith on every turn so that she could improvise an answer she’s too funny
The fact that the people that didn’t agree that drink culture is toxic didn’t even make an actual argument lmao
This is the first time I’ve seen Arasha in a very raw, not playing video games, not acting form. I love her. You can tell she’s genuine and that’s why I love this format. I love getting to know not only the new cast members, but also the ones that have been around for years. We would never get to hear them talk about most of this stuff and their views on things without these videos. Keep ‘em coming❤❤❤
1:54 Tommy nails it. I take concert videos for me, so I can remember/relive something cool or important to me. Sometimes they wind up on my stories, where you can choose to watch it or swipe away. But it’s primarily an archive for me.
This series is absolutely phenomenal! Each and every time they have extra hot takes and really intriguing opinions varying in levels of insight. I resonated intensely with Keith's explanation about being a good person. I would share my concert videos, but I agree that they usually do not have good visual/audio quality. I don't have kids to lie (or not lie) to, and I don't have a pet to make an Instagram account for (although I thought my brother should with his ducks). I would not post about giving things out of kindness, but I can appreciate videos that have that (even if performative), because this world desperately needs more kind acts and more good news.
As someone who has been sober from alcohol for two years after alcohol nearly ruined my life o can definitely say that drinking culture is toxic. Not because of the people who drink, it’s not there fault, but they do perpetuate an ideal that drinking is a cool and fun thing to do. Not only is there such a big impact of drinking culture from popular music, but most things adults do revolve around drinking. Nightlife, parties, celebrations. It’s also bled into merchandising with people buying clothes, decorations, bottles, etc that say things like “wine o’clock” or “wine helps me drink”. People perpetuate this because people who drink deep down know that it’s bad for you and so whenever they see someone who isn’t drinking the peer pressure them and make fun of them until they order a drink. Meanwhile society acts like it’s completely normal to peer pressure poison into someone’s mouth.
Tl;dr- alcohol culture exists because manufacturers want you to buy it and they spend billions of dollars on advertising to make sure you will think it’s sexy and cool to do so.
Be safe friends.
I love Ian saying that by default an American consumer is not a good person lmao. fantastic take, and I absolutely agree.
I agree with Tommy about the good person vs bad person thing. Since childhood I’ve had a mentality of thinking that I was a bad person because of how I was raised. All I ever did was try to be a good person. As an adult I realize that people are not black and white. It’s dumb to try to fit into a box. We are human and have many levels and complexities to us.
Ian, Courtney, and Tommy?!?!! This is gonna be great
Drinking culture: I literally do not get invited out to things with people because alcohol gives me such bad heartburn and I can't drink. I can't "get on their level" so they don't want to be around me. It's not that I'm not fun, they just feel like I don't relate to them. Like what!?
Right?? I never understood that. If you *need* alcohol to have a good time you're either an alcoholic or boring, more than likely both.
I throw up any alcohol I drink and I got lucky enough to have friends that still enjoy playing Cards Against Humanity with me while I'm the only sober one there. I have witnessed the other side though. I tell people I can't drink and it's always "Oh I'm sorry. You're missing out on so much." Got drunk once. Hated it. Sober is more fun to me.
I ran into this problem too! My own brothers won’t hang out with me bc I don’t drink to get drunk :/ They always get together, sometimes they even include their wives/gfs, but specifically never invite me bc I refuse to get drunk. I kickass at Cards Against Humanity but they refuse to play it sober with me lmao
I once had to eat ridiculously healthy and wasn't allowed to drink alcohol for three months because I had developed a fatty liver. I started a new major in college and the first week is full of drinking games for mingling. Everytime I began to get along with people but refused their offers of shots and drinks, I got left behind and ignored for the rest of the night. I actually cracked under the pressure and on the last day of that week, I participated in drinking games and such. I made friends that day. Most friendship in college (at least here in Germany) are made in that first week, so if I didn't want to be isolated, I basically had no choice BUT to drink. Talk about toxic drinking culture.
Drinking culture is incredibly toxic. If you’re responsible about it there’s nothing wrong with having an occasional drink but thinking you have to drink or even worse get drunk to have fun is so toxic.
exactly I think tommy Amanda and Keith are confusing drinking culture to their own thoughts on drinking
Yes, exactly! Im a med student working in the hospital and Im just terrified how big problem drinking the alcohol is. I saw so many people that died because of drinking problem that took years. They got cirrhosis and 80% of death in the next 3 months. And even if we save them during this hospitalization, they will come back during next 3 months bleeding to their head and die. And saddly this is actual story of a 33 year old man. Only liver transplant can save them, but how if they still have a drinking problem? Its really terryfing and I understood it only when I saw this in hospital.
Yeah, they even admitted that it CAN be toxic, so they totally agreed. As someone that doesn't drink but grew up around drunks and some casual drinkers, I find it highly toxic, which is why I don't do it. My new neighbors even asked if me and my husband drink and we said no, they responded with "Well, we can change that.". What's wrong with not wanting to drink? The stronger the drinking culture gets the more I pull away from it.
It is so toxic and growing up around heavy drinking leads to such negative affects. The normalization of alcohol and amount of humor around it is strange.
@@cgreen9190 exactly! I don’t drink either and I find people a lot of the time ask “what do you drink” instead of “do you drink”. It’s almost expected that adults should drink especially younger adults and it’s seen as strange or wrong if someone chooses not to. I’ve heard people say something along the lines of “I can’t have fun if you’re not drinking” or something similar which is their problem not yours but a lot of people feel pressured into drinking because they want to fit in but no one should ever be pressured into drinking. It’s a very serious decision that an adult gets to make and if the people you’re around don’t respect your decision then you shouldn’t be around them anyway.
I have something to say about drinking culture, for one of my classes I did a paper on the drinking culture in China, and it can sometimes be considered toxic especially in business situations. Where a contract can be accepted or denied based on whether u drink or not in some cases.
Amanda and Keith being at the front of the good person side is insane
Amanda is literally "chaotic evil". 💀
Hey, theyre good people. They're also just crazy, but also everyone who was in the back are definitely insecure and overthinkers
I agree, Keith and Amanda saying they are good people when in another one of these they said they wouldn't call out friends who are cheaters and don't think friendships should have expectations is wild to me
Drinking culture is one of the huge downfalls of society that gets completely overlooked and seen as a not an issue. And like they said it’s not about drinking itself. It’s the culture that’s developed around it
These always show who in the group is mature and who’s not lol. And Amanda keith, specifically Amanda.. just… maturity level of a 16 year old lmao. Love em to death tho.
Arasha, Shayne, Damien, Spencer are the more mature members to me.
Amanda, Keith, Olivia, Jackie and Angela are the more immature.
And Courtney, Tommy, Chance, Ian, Noah are in the middle, just based on those videos, but leaning towards mature - just some suprising odd takes now and then.
@@m00nrac00nWhat would you consider the odd takes?
@m00nrac00n damien feels so tryhard sometimes tho lol like it doesn't always feel honest, idk
This episode alone made me like Arasha a whole lot
I love these videos so much. The deeper and more mature conversations are so good to hear, especially for the younger part of your audience.
Here's another thing about drinking culture that Arasha and Courtney touched on a little. Toxicity of drinking culture can be about people who don't drink are treated. John Mulaney actually has a really good routine about how people who don't/can't drink are treated by those who do drink. As a young adult who can't drink due to medical reasons, it can be very frustrating to often hear the messaging that if you don't drink according to societal standards for your age then you're no fun or lame or whatever. That said, as a sociologist, drinking culture is one of my specific sociological fascinations and all the different facets of it are really interesting.
"I want to treat my children like my peers," sounds awesome until you realize how much therapy will be needed to learn where proper child-parent boundaries are later in life.
For me on the drinking culture is what happens when I even go out to a work lunch and I don't drink. People behave like I owe them a reason that I don't want to drink. I don't owe them that. But it's aggressive. I've been told "That's bad for you" when I ordered a soda but two people polishing off a bottle of wine with their woodfire pizza aren't allowed to be criticized for it.
Courtney and Arasha gained my respect with the drinking culture one. Amanda, Keith, and Tommy made me kinda uncomfortable.
Tommy, Keith, and Amanda highlighted just why drinking culture is so toxic and made me lose a lot of respect that I had for them. They highlighted the issues perfectly in how they didn't take it seriously, didn't care what anyone else said, downplayed the issue, and turned it around into you're the toxic one not me. Drinking culture is highly toxic because it doesn't care about consequences and doesn't see any issues, it doesn't care what others think and want, it tries to force and pressure others into drinking, it forces the idea that you can only have fun while drinking, it forces the idea that blacking out and forgetting what happened means you had a great time, it tries to create the idea that there is no problem in drinking excessively or having a toxic drinking culture it's you that's the toxic one. Courtney and Arasha pointed out so many of the negative and toxic things about drinking culture while Tommy, Keith, and Amanda couldn't care less.
Amanda dancing obnoxiously all video and saying meaningless fluff like usual.
drinking culture is only toxic if you let it be toxic. if your friends are pressuring you to drink when you don't want to, they are bad friends. if your friends regularly get blackout drunk and wake up with hangovers, they may have a problem that's deeper than 'the culture.' i have personally never been in a situation where i felt like i had to drink because i don't surround myself with toxic people. it's all about how people interact with drinking, not one specific culture that somehow encompasses everyone who's ever touched alcohol ever lol
Because of what I learned in therapy, I think totally good or bad people don't really exist. Everyone is both "good" and "bad" at the same time because people are imperfect.
i’m with ian on low maintenance. “throw water in my hair and i’m basically good” is so true
I loved arasha on this episode, she articulated her points well, I genuinely enjoyed her vibe, good job guys!
Ian, and anyone else who shares his sentiments, I just wanted to say that living in a society that is built around harming the planet does not make you a bad person in anyway
drinking culture is about the fact that drinking is basically expected and if you say that you're not drinking or you're sober you immediately get guilted about it or harrassed because people can't just accept the fact that you don't want to drink. that absolutely is toxic. someone doesn't need to be drinking for someone else to enjoy themselves, it's not an opening for peer pressure.
absolutely loved seeing the Smosh crew get into those discussions. Also Arasha is absolutely epic and would love to see more of them!!
As a minor , I have had SO MANY family members pressure me to drink alcohol and get mad and even a few times shout at me when I told them to stop pressuring me. I also feel like social media only encourages kids to pick up bad and unhealthy habits because it seems "cool" and "attractive". It's refreshing to see someone take a stand to acknowledge a blatant issue and stand by it , props to Courtney and Arasha!!
I recently found out I have alcohol intolerance. It doesn’t matter if it’s only one drink, I will end up throwing up within the hour. It’s become awkward at gatherings because everyone is drinking but me and I keep getting offered drinks because no one remembers. Drinking culture is toxic to those that don’t drink as much as everyone else, and drinking has caused issues in my family.
Cortney is you are Right about drinking culture and I love you
Loved the drinking culture question. It seems like every cute girl on dating sites has to have at least one picture with a beer in their hand, and I think that's exactly what the question is about. Some good points thrown out there on the agree side. Not sure what leg the others were trying to stand on. Saying "anything is permissible in moderation" is saying "nothing is toxic until a certain line" but this question was literally asking whether that line is being crossed and I say, if such a phenomenon has been reached where drinking has become a "culture", then it's crossed the line and is therefore toxic. The only non-drinkers who are respected by the attractive crowd are those who use to be soaked in the drinking culture but became sober. People love that, but if you've never drank, then you aren't adventurous enough and you're out.
beautifully said. thank you.
This is my favorite new(ish) show on the Pit channel💗
Yikes. The attitude for the drinking culture was toxic enough “maybe your toxic” 😬. I’ve drinken before but now I’m off alcohol due to medical reasons, and yeah, it’s fairly toxic. This might be because I’m just in University so the whole alcohol and parties is exciting for people, but it’s just too much.
Anytime I meet up with my high school friends they always want to throw a party with alcohol or drugs, and sometimes ask for everyone to pay for it, which makes me feel awkward since I won’t do that. Idk, it’s weird cause you either hang out with drunkards, or you can’t hang out at all with some friends due to the rare meet-ups.
Keith is like "if you have an different opinion than me you are wrong"
Please do more of these! These are honestly some of the best videos.
Arasha being the only logical and intelligent debater Smosh has ever seen
That last one... Ian may not believe he is good because he doesn't feel as if he does /enough/ good, but Keith, Arasha, and Amanda all agree that despite the little "evils" you need to commit in order to function in your everyday life, the intention and effort a person puts into being good already makes them good. I think, in their own way, they were letting Ian know that they believed he was a good person, and I thought that was really sweet.
drinking culture is hella toxic. adults learn to cope with drowning sorrows in alcoholic drinks & pass it down as an almost life lesson. in social settings you can be pressured to chug,“have just a little more”, and get asked why you aren’t drinking if you don’t. there are literally cans of water that people bring to social settings that look like beer, so that no one can question you. 21 is an awaited year for young adults solely for being legally able to drink, and adults around them always allude it being special for that reason. kids are shown party scenes in media in high school settings where along with drugs, alcohol is mainly the highlight of the situation.
while i like tommy, keith & amanda, they seemed so self involved for that question, despite it being broken down to them that they mean society’s representation of drinking. what happens not personally or in their friend group. kind of frustrating, especially with the “maybe you’reeee toxic…” like huh.
and this i’m not even against drinking. it’s true you have to be careful who you party around. but the reason for that is bc people have be consumed by society’s way of having a good time & how much alcohol you need to do so.
Having seen most of the other episodes im no longer surprised at what sides Amanda and Keith end up on lol 🥶
Thinking you're a good person is probably for optimists or those people who blame others, while thinking you're not that of a good person are for humble, pessimist and people who blame themselves!
If my kid asked me what murder is, I’d just tell them it was a bunch of crows.
The last situation, “Im a good person” and the varying responses reminded me of a phrase I heard a while back:
“Good people sometimes do bad things”
It’s about morale, and principal - keeping yourself open to criticism and holding yourself accountable.
I think being honest with kids is always possible you just have to temper it for how old they are… and honestly telling your kids “I don’t know.” when you don’t is a very good thing.
The drinking culture in my friend group has always been pretty aggressive. We've grown out of it somewhat, but it was really very bad for a long time. For sure non-drinkers have been singled out at parties from time to time and it wasn't until I grew up a bit that I understood it was toxic. Now I'm happily dry and can remember every weekend 🙃 So totally agree for toxic.
ooooh the seemingly purposeful misunderstanding of what the question about drinking culture was talking about from keith and amanda was, I feel like, the perfect example of how even happy polite people who would most likely never pressure an individual into drinking do still participate in toxic drinking culture
Y’all definitely seem like great people. I might not personally agree with y’all on absolutely every little subject, but goddamn it I love y’all!
The way I related to Amanda the whole time 💀 She’s such a mood 😂❤️
Do you also think it's fine to be friends with cheaters?
@@Alucard-mj6yjhuh?
@@ecokitty9578in a different video, she was in the side of cheaters, essentially.
i love this series! it’s fun to see everyone’s different reasonings behind their beliefs and how they explain themselves so nicely yet hilariously. keep it up, y’all!
Courtney voiced perfectly what I think about drink culture.
Gotta agree with Ian and Tommy about being a good or bad person. I don't really see individuals as good or bad but I see their actions as such. Some people just feed more into one side but it doesn't automatically mean they're either.
Ian! You’re a good person!
I love seeing people post things they are passionate about - i think that being excited about something shouldnt be made fun of but accepted
I wanna say that drinking culture also includes domestic/private drinking. People don't realise that, which skews their view of why it is/isn't toxic
Tommy coming in with the hot take on "being a good person". I try to do good things, but I'm just a person living my life. I feel like people who say they're a "good person" try to give off this idea that every single day they do something that benefits other people in a positive way. It kind of goes back to posting about good deeds. There's a difference between showing people that you did a good thing and encourage others to do the same, and showing off that "hey, i'm a good person because i did this good thing. Look at me! I'm a good person!"