why would anyone use a baitcaster?
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Hi can u please send me a fishing rod where i come from fishing rods are very expensive and i really want to catch a fish please send me a rod ill take any kind of spinning rods please i beg u
@@ultraloc2 not telling you what to do, and not that I can’t sympathize, but if you got a string, a stick, can make a small hook and a worm (or almost any kinda bug) you can catch a fish. Period. Most anglers make it way more complicated than it has to be if the basic objective is simply to catch any fish...especially for food purposes
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Casting with the press of a button is just a great feeling:
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That’s what I was thinking because that’s the rod I use
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@@yaboiskinnymalone836 idk just a zen o push button but I also have a spinning rod
i use a zebco splash still, but i prefer my spinning reels. i give it to inexperienced friends or anybody if i only have 2 rods with me
They aren’t that scary once you figure out the brakes and tension nob . Set the brakes at 5 and tension nob until your bait barely falls . Best beginner tip imo.
THIS! I literally just got back from the lake using my Lews SLP baitcaster for the first time coming from a spinning reel. I got birds nest after birds nest then my buddy adjusted the knobs; NOT ANOTHER BACKLASH/BIRDSNEST.
You have to adjust the brakes and tension like OP said, do it until it barley or gradually falls, and THEN, try your bait casting setup.
Because I thought I was casting wrong even after doing weeks of research before heading out to try it forreal, but actually, I have a great cast and rarely got any birds nests.
Correct!! The loser or tighter, the lesser or more muscle you use when casting!
@@daedaebfishin this needs to be more known to newbies like me.
I just use the break. I always have the tension so it barely moves back and forth
My brakes go to 20 though.
Baitcasters are complicated to master but once you figure them out there's no going back to spinning reels unless you're throwing light tackle.
And with lighter spools like the shimano mgl or Daiwa sv spools you can cast lighter baits. I rarely use a spinning rod now
Yeah drop shot is the only time I use a spinning rod.
Spinning rods are pretty sweet lmao
i never used a baitcaster, got one and started throwing it just fine within 15 minutes 😂
Took me years to figure out my bay caster reel needed service… so take my advise and oil it frequently at least once a year or depending on how often you fish…
I use both, I remember using a bait caster for the first time and spending lots of time adjusting and learning due to bird nesting, once you get good with them and you use a heavy lure, oh man you can send some lures way farther than you would be able too with a spin reel
That's cap
@@nicosfutureson4450 you wish haha
That's not cap son that's facts
@@nicosfutureson4450 can literally throw a 1/2" teardrop sinker 150yds (spool myself) with my JDM Shimano Scorpion DC on a 7' "2" Medium FA BPS Johnny Morris Platinum rod
@@nicosfutureson4450 I use both and he's speaking facts
Baitcasters have by far the biggest learning curve, but once you get the settings dialed in you can really send it. I only use baitcasters now.
Baitcasters and spinning reels have their place and time in my book. Another pro about baitcasters is they hold alot of line with comparably same size spinning reel.
Yeah but how often does a fish take all your line? Lol
I've landed some big fish with some small reels and never had a problem.
You can use large spinning reels but it’s hard to use a large baitcaster. So actually if your going for long casts / plan on fish to run out the line, using a spinning reel is better for holding a lot of line.
@@rich7331 If you do saltwater fishing, and are against large fish it can happen. Also if you have the ability to cast long distances, a lot of the line could be out already when you hook the fish.
First time I’ve seen “place” and “time” put in that order in my life. I usually see it as time and place. Not relevant to the convo just pretty cool I see something new everyday.
@@rich7331 the pro to more line isn’t because necessarily a fish will take all ur line it’s more so you can cast farther and you can go more time without having to respool your reel
For those wanting to cast ultralight lures with a bait caster, BFS reels exist.
Scorpion DC too
@@Shawnpimpin601 the slx dc can handle down to 1/8 but not well, I’m assuming the same for the scorpion dc, but there is a scorpion BFS.
Shimano Aldebaran
@@DRPowell which had its own BFS reel type.
I can cast trout magnets on my bait caster it's about how much money your going to spend or brand your getting
Exactly. Get a shimano mgl and you can cast 1/8oz lures like nothing. I've also had a lot of luck using a daiwa CT fuego. Not as good as an mgl but they're also under $100
Nope piscifun reels under 100 cast like a dream. My max toro cost half of a tranx and is smooth as butter
Absolutely, my Daiwa elites and sv can throw anything I want, and well
@@reecethurman4714 my Shimano curado dc is the best bait caster I’ve ever used. So damn smooth
@@Mcgriddles90210 I love my curado dc but I can cast my 13 fishing One baitcaster further than any other one I own and the rod and reel combo was right at $100
The best benefit is stopping your cast on the fly with your thumb . They are far more precise when flipping
Can do that with spincast reels too just by pressing button down to stop the line
Great video!
However, the bait casting reels being smaller means that they retrieve line slower per turn, since the small diameter means less distance around the spool.
The gear ratio on bait casters are typically higher to compensate for this drawback.
Because what gear ratio is actually telling you is that for every 1 turn of the handle, the gears inside are making the spool spin at the specified number of times.
A 5.0:1 rated spinning reel spins 5 times for every 1 full handle crank.
A 7.3:1 rated bait caster spool spins 7.3 times for every 1 full handle crank.
But they are pulling in a very similar amount of line because the bait caster is doing a few more turns, yet pulls in line a little slower per-turn.
There are different size baitcasters
@@funkymonkey529 For sure! And different size spinning reels, too. I just gave some examples, like the ones he gave.
There is data out there but I belive if I'm not mistaken baitcasters pull in line faster or more per crank.
I’m a fly fisherman ‘til death, but I remember my attempt at learning the baitcaster. Yeah……it looked like spaghetti in my reel every cast. I had nobody to teach me what the hell I was doing wrong.
You have to stop the reel with your thumb before it hits the water
@@eviseratorkyle Yup I learned this the hard way lol
My first baitcast reel had rusty gears and parts so I would birdsnest every time. After I upgraded to the Abu Garcia Blackmax, I improved drastically
@@eviseratorkyleIDM why TH-camrs whine when it bird nests, but when they show themselves casting, they never thumb the spool
Once you get the feel of a bait caster you can cast into spots you wouldn't even attempt with a spinning reel since you can side cast easily. Real good for using a Mr. Twister with a jig head and a couple splits shots and casting up the side of a pond or lake.
You can cast the same way with a spinner
@@rich7331 lol no u can’t
There’s no where I’ve came across that I couldn’t cast into with a spinning reel. If you’ve used a spinning reel exclusively for multiple years you’ll master it. Granted I prefer my baitcasters over my spinning due to the easier line release.
@@rich7331 not as good...master both reels and you see the difference...but each has its purpose
@@blake102989 you can attempt to cast anywhere with a spinning reel but it is my belief that the bait caster puts less stress on the line when casting and the ability to stop or slow down the lure in mid cast with your thumb gives you a level of control you just don't get with a spinning reel. That being said if I'm cobia fishing and want to use light tackle for the fight of my life a spinning reel is fun. But if I'm jigging or anywhere with dense brush or foliage I have my bait caster.
20 years or so later and I'm still learning how to use mine.
95% of it is setting the brakes up for the bait u have on. I watched Alot of how to videos when I first got mine.
I use baitcasters for getting bird nests and spinning reels for every thing else
Lol!
If it’s a lure that you constantly reel in and re cast then bait caster is the way to go (crankbaits, topwater, etc.) once you get used to a bait caster it’s much more ergonomic for those applications imo
Same with spinning
@@calallen8786 right 🤣🤣🤣🤣 people just want to jump on the newest trend and have no thought process of thier own 🤣🤣
Got a birds nest one time and said, “yeah, spinning rods for everything now”
Don't know what is worse, bird's nest or line digging in.
@@Justin-tb2qk Definitely birds nests imo, braid digging really only happens if you spool your line too lightly so its easily avoidable
This was my experience.
-Fish for one summer and deal with the endless backlash.
-Don't waste your line by cutting it out. Any baitcaster backlash can be fixed with patience. Since the line is confined to the spool unlike a spinning rod, birds nests are far less complex even if they don't seem like it. And with practice, most can be fixed in 30 seconds.
-buy braid for second summer of fishing
-never backlash again.
Didn't even mention the main advantage of bait casters more consistently having lethal precision.
That was my comment as well. Literally the number one advantage IMO.
I tried using one once, bird nested tf out of it and never used one again. I prefer spinning reels.
That’s just lazy. Everyone that has ever use a baitcaster in their life backlashes in the beginning it just takes practice like everything else in the world
Been there. Tried again almost 6 months later. Now have 5 baitcasters.
I think uou should revisit and walk the tension to freely drop to the ground without causing a bird nest before you ground
This is like taking a sip of beer when you’re a kid and writing it off forever. Yeah, it’s exactly the same. You just saved a ton of money. Joy, but also money.
I bought a cheap one at Walmart while on vacation and it ruined my first day fishing. I was using light tackle and just attributed it being a cheap reel (rod and reel was about $20) I do like a challenge so I will try it again
I learned to fish with a spinning reel. I tried to use a bait caster and gave it up because of the bird nesting. Eventually, I’ll give it another try, but i want to enjoy my time fishing for now
Use braid. Much more manageable. Also strip off about 80 to 100 feet of line and put tape on the spool. So if you backlash it stops there. Could even go less say 40 to 50 feet just to get the hang of thumb control. Can also set it up to cast without your thumb on it but you won't get the distance with that much tension /breaks.
As someone with hours in a boat fishing both styles they have their moments. Baitcasters are more accurate and cast farther and has a little more power overall with rods usually being around 7 foot or taller. Spinning can cast lighter option without risk of backlash all though you can backlash a spinning reel. It is a lot better for more finesse approach. But I can still cast anything a spinner can with a baitcaster.
You can't backlash a spinning reel lmfao.
You can cast with way higher presision using baitcasters (easier to pinpoint casts and skip lures). That is the single largest benefit of using them when casting. Also if you spend enough money (maybe too much money) on a high enough quality bait caster you will be able to comfortably cast very light lures. If Im using one rod for everything, I usually take my bait casting rod rather than my spinning rod.
Way higher precision? I can pinpoint cast with my abu garcia and shimano spinning reels.
For experienced anglers with bait casters, the time your lure is out of the water is probably half than that of a spinning reel. Casting accuracy is also significantly higher if you need to drop your lure in a tight window. Both points provide for a significant increase in your bait's overall time in the strike zone throughout a day which easily translates to more bites and more fish
I just got my first spinning reel and it's way harder then a baitcaster to me lol but I'm learning it and it's becoming one of my favorite setups
It's the drag that determines the stopping power. Spinning reels usually have more and bigger drag washers, giving them more stopping power.
Also, skinnier spool does NOT mean you retrieve more per crank/rotation. It means the opposite. And the size of the spool isnt the gear ratio, it is a measurement of how many times the spool turns per crank of the reel. If you doubled the spool size on a baitcaster it would still spin the same number of times as it did before, per crank of the reel. But with far less torque
I just bought a Shimano DC, completely recommend
I've had the shimano curado 300 for many years now. Such a sweet reel. But i still use a spinning reel alot.
The DC is a game changer!!
Curado or slx? I own both. The DC has digital breaks. The MGL brand throws lighter lures with ease. Shimano has some great reels in every category.
@@davidrussell9290 I have the curado, how is the slx?
@@hulkhogan1942 it's around $180. I love it. I may like it better than my curado. They're both great. The only issue I have with my curado is that when I hook a 5lb+ bass it's all I can do to reel it in. It's crazy. It's like it lacks torque.
never in my life have I seen a more no-nonsense video, thankyou
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I have a bait caster and i got pretty good with it. I use to tangle the line all the time.
I’m a pro. I can tangle every brand and price level of bait caster that I’ve tried.
@@denmar355 ha
Thick brush grass pitching I use most baitcasters..finesse ..drop shots necko rigs…small beds to really really
Small
Ranks and jerkbaits can be thrown spinning ..all depends where u live! Clearer the water sometimes super clear spinning rods play more and small
Mouth but I always keep a few on my deck in murky largemouth infested lakes even bushy etc..u need that good cash and finesse presentation or slingshot if a lil under 1/4th oz crank it can come in handy!!! For sure and that ultra ultra clear waters like Dale Hallow to northern lakes and fisheries more think bait casters to soon casters all depend what and where your fishing and water clarity:brush:vegatation and forage all play major roles on which to select and when..I’ll throw em all day and have won tourneys when guys are chucking big plugs with baitcasters..sometimes finesse even on largemouth lakes can be dominated by shes numbers and catch size
I use my baitcaster for everything but I will always love spinning reels more
Just chiming in...
KRLCSTRL2-72RBK 7:1 max drag 17.6Lbs 26.8IPT, it holds 10/130 so it makes sense to compare it to the SNC3000FG which has 10lb @140 (mono) the Sienna 3000 has 28IPT and 19lb of drag. So the Sienna of the right size for the comparison is 2 inches faster, it is also stronger by 2lbs. A similar reel that has an XG, which is a better comparison as far as retrieve speed is since your example is a fast retrieve baitcast reel - reels in 37 inches per turn - at 6.4:1.
The ratio has nothing to do with the retrieve speed - it is dictated by the size of the spool - if you have a 4:1 ratio reel but the spool it is 3 inches in diameter, it will take line faster than a 7:1 reel with a spool diameter of half an inch. The Vanstaal VR 150 for example can hold 360 yards of 12lb line, it has a ratio of only 4.8, but it takes in 34 inches per crank.
The gap for casting light lures on baitcasters has been addressed with the introduction of BFS reels, there are now cost effective solutions for this as other brands have released their own versions - it was expensive before.
DC reels can make you cast with very little or no backlash. There is now a model for less than $200. (SLX DC)
dude...almost a million people have seen this video and might get the wrong idea.
I have a bait caster and I simply cant get the hang of it. I've been using spinning reels my whole life and using my new bait caster, I've gotten such bad birdsnests that I've had to spend hours cutting the line off the spool because it was so tangled
Everyone starts somewhere trust me I’ve been trying for about a year and still get birds nests not as often but definitely still get them if you really don’t think you can power through the learn curve then don’t but bait casters are very versatile so it will expand your experience
H I'll never go with you
@@mikecummings6593 well that's good. You wouldn't be invited
@@cottagecheese2483 that smarts
@@JahKrispy Did you know every time you change your lure you need to change your drop or breaks (depending on your preference)? If they are different weights changing can cause an issue.
So search TH-cam on how to set up your drop and breaks for a baitcaster. Very simple and a game changer once you learn it
Also, I recommend setting your brakes to the middle setting to start.
Why are you worried about stopping power?
The line is to connect you to the fish and retrieve it. The spool is to hold the line
The ROD is to control the fish and control/aim the line as well as impart action
Fighting a fish with the line instead of the rod, drag and the fact that lactic acid builds up in fish quickly is one of the reasons so many fish are lost
I use a 7:1:1 bait caster for weightless senko fishing on the daily. It takes a little bit of patience to get the brakes and spool tension tuned right, but once you get the hang of how to adjust it depending on your lure weight, you can really cast anything down to about ⅛oz.
Edit: Maybe not far, but you CAN cast it.
lol i use weightless senkos with my baitcaster all the time. Caught some of my best bass like that.
Bird's nest?? BACKLASH!!!
Get good?
Back lash?? BIRDS NEST!!!
Same thing
Baitcasters are the way. Doesnt matter how light the lure either. Baitcasters can cast extremely light lures just as far and more accurately than a spinner.
I've tried very hard to use a baitcaster and bird nested everytime
I've tried 3 casts maybe. Why is it so hard. When does it become worth it 😭
@@ddawgdmitri it takes hundreds and hundreds of casts. Nothing worth doing is easy. Keep at it, it’s worth it. Also, make sure you have your brakes and spool tension set correctly. There are a bunch of great videos on TH-cam to help with this.
They need to be adjusted to the weight of the lure, it’s all about spool tension. The knob next to the drag star is a spool tensioner, the brakes on the spool is is also a tensioner, some also have a third tensioner. Take a second to figure out why then it gets easier every time.
yeah its all in having it set up right. Just mess with the settings on it.
@@uncletony3025 Daiwa reels keep the tention loose and the magnetic breaks do all the work. I usually suggest someone start with a Daiwa Tatula or Tatula SV. Turn the breaks up to start and work down from there. Very beginner friendly reels.
Spinning reels in sizes to handle heavier line are bulky and heavy. I'm 77 and use a spinning rod for drop shot/ned rig fishing, and not much else. I prefer to fish a worm or grub on a 3/16 oz jighead with a baitcaster and 10# braid, and obviously anything heavier than that also uses the baitcast.
My son learned to use a baitcster at 9 years old, and still prefers it in his mid 50s, so I wonder about people say they are unable to master it.
Baitcasters also called conventional reel, was first invented in fishing industry & perfected by abu-garcia...
Nah…baitcasters and conventional reels are two different things.
For any deeper water fishing baitcasters are better. BUT ITS SO SATIAFYING TO USE. They also can cast further depending on the reel
I can't trust the word of a man in an origami kayak.
He really don't know much about fishing.. lol
One thing you didn’t mention is baitcasters (once you get used to them) can be more accurate and you can easily stop your bait if it’s going to go too far
Forget to mention you need to adjust the damn thing every time you change lures.
Literally takes 5 seconds
@@davidwilliams6112 guess how long it takes me to adjust an open reel and you're absolutely lying saying it takes 5 seconds lol. It doesn't take long sure but it's more than 5 seconds
Not really. Literally just understand how the reel works and it would probably take 5-10 seconds
@@migyoshi1592 I use them all the time, takes more than that, hence the reason ppl usually have multiple poles with different lure set ups
@@purehitman24 all you have to do is move your dial a smidge and once you have your reel dialed in you can throw anything it’s farther and more accurate cast
I havent touched my baitcaster in years. Id only use a baitcaster for bass fishing lakes, especially in the summer when I have to start punching through vegetation and horse bass through weeds. Though since I am a Shad and Striper guy in MA, I only use spinning as it requires very light tackle for shad, and room to grip the foregrip while violently plugging 3 oz spooks and poppers.
Now one would ask: why not conventional/BC for anything other than using the poppers? The reason why you don't really see them with surf pluggers are usually the weight and saltwater corrosion issues on low profile BCs (also why most of the distance casting, 6+ oz lead-slinging chunking surf anglers tend to bring convs, especially the die-hards.)
That is exactly what I’m looking for I just bought one couldn’t figure out what my issue was
If you just bought it…keep practicing. It takes time to get it. But once you do, there’s no better way to fish most stuff.
I think some of you guys are getting a little confused about light baits, your rod is the most important selection. If a rod is rated for 1/16 oz say up to 3/8oz, or even half ounce for example, that rod is gonna load up and be able to whip and throw those light baits effectively. You can adjust your baitcast reel spool lighter and play with your brakes, nothin beats a bait caster once you play with em a little and I used to hate em.
Woah woah woah.. Get senkos off that list. If your baitcaster cant throw a weightless senko its trash. I throw it all the time and they make BFS baitcasters now for light lures
Good to know.. I've been wondering
You probably forgot another really important difference spinning reels create line twist and you will have to change line more often. Baitcasters dont create line twists or at least create a whole lot less so if you fish/ cast more you will find the line keeps much better. Both have there place though.
Love bait casters ❤️❤️❤️
I remember how damn cool and badass it was to get my first bait caster. I was 13 and got my first boat (Bass Buggy flat bottom w/ minnkota 60lb). I saved for about 18 months. My grandpa went and picked it up from the dealer and I couldn't wait to get out on the lake. When I pulled the cover off there was 2 ambassadeur 5500. I was so damn stoked.... Bass pro tour HERE I COME! Fish, be patient we will be together shortly! lmao. I still fish them for stripers.
I like casting with a button
Closed real:
What is he 5? I wouldn’t let my son use one of them bitch boxes. That’s for old men and people with down syndrome.
@@skinnyslims5327 by old men you mean the guys who've been fishing there whole life and can outfish anyome
I can cast a quarter of a weightless senko on my baitcasters but some techniques are easier on spinning, for example a drop shot is easier to use with a spinning reel because of how you retrieve it
I got my first bait caster a few weeks ago. Could you do 1about casting with thumb pressure? My neighbor casts twice as long. I could ask him but it would be helpful for other ppl mew to it. Being able to pull the spool out of the reel is awesome to know. Also makes learning a BC worth it
It’s somewhat hard to, “explain” it, but I’ll give it a shot; normally you want to hold a small amount of pressure on the line, as the lure reaches its highest point in the air, you start increasing the pressure with your thumb, and progressively increase it as it goes down, then then right before it hits the water, you stop the line. If I were you, I’d start with a spool tension that lets your lure down slowly. My advice may not be the best though, since I kinda caught onto it very easily without much thought or practice. You should be able to figure it out in time though, good luck!
If he's used to bait casting he might not have the brakes on as high as you would. Don't get discouraged because someone else can throw further than you. You get better over time and it feels good once you can do it well.
@@Max-oo8yo That’s true too. Also baitcasters need a bit of a different cast than spinning rods
All reels are different. Such as I can cast further with my $100 13 fishing that was a rod and reel combo than I can with my $250 Shimano that was the reel alone. But that being said I can cast my Shimano without using my thumb as a break at all even as it hits the water without it backlashing but the 13 fishing reel spins so fast if I don’t at least hold my thumb skimming the spool it was backlash almost immediately after I try to cast. It’s mainly all about how you adjust the spool tension knob (the one right by the handle) and the break knob (the one with the numbers around it on the opposite side of the handle. You need to adjust the tension knob every time you tie on a new lure. You want to hold the rod straight out and release the lure and you want to let it fall and hit the ground without using your thumb at all and not have the spool bird nest. Hope that helps
A good trick taught to me was after casting, turn your casting hand and the reel/rod combo 90°. This seems to have a calming effect, wtm.
Just remember. In deepsea fishing vids, the guy with the biggest catch is ALWAYS using a spincaster. Just a TH-cam law
???
I don't think so.
This is freshwater obviously. Cmon dude
@@panicmosem5969 nooo i thought this open ocean!!!! No shit sherlock
@@johnnymac6242 just because deep-sea fishing has spincasters, doesn't mean the cast went far, trolling is not just an internet term 😆
@@panicmosem5969 never said it casts further? U on drugs?
You can also stop the Bait mid air mid cast . Any fisherman should definitely know how to use a bait caster. Especially in salt water.
And there more precise when it comes to trying to throw it under a low hanging tree or heavy cover
depends on the user. I'm definitely way more precise with a spinning, but I'm sure dudes who grew up on baitcasters / conventionals can skip lasers
@@Tackle2thePeople That would be me. Contrary to most dads who start their kid out with bobbers and worms, my dad started me out on a baitcaster when I began fishing at 8 years old. Hated it then, feel like a pro now.
@@Tackle2thePeople Yeah, I've had the same experience with spinning tackle. Some Japanese reels have such delightful bearings, that the line strips off with the lightest flick of the wrist. I've experienced moments of "wow, I didn't know that I could do that!" as I dropped a Mepps2, exactly where I wanted it! Dear God, I need to wet a line!!✨
@@scottthebot2779 stud!
I think accuracy is a great point, but everyone is failing to mention efficiency. It feels like you can cast a lot more, and work more water. The versatility of a spinning rod is better, I like their ability to throw really light stuff, though they fo have ultralight bait casters. Tryna track one down. I use mine for jerkbaits, topwaters, and bass jigs, maybe bigger cranks too
The occasional bird's nest is a 💯 percent deal killer.
Yes. Cut hole line out of one the other day.
My dad said why you bring me this crap. Lol
There is another major difference that the spool itself spins while the bell on a spinning rod spins the line around the spool. Spinning rods are easier to use and fast small baits better so I use them pretty much exclusively. I use a medium light spinning reel on a medium collapsible rod for creek fishing with 1/32 oz jigs and slinging a whopper pooper 150 ft down a river. 30 lb braid for everything it's simple and just works for everything except micro crank bait then I just use a 10 lb braid leader usually
The only reason that was valid in this video is you like the feeling.
Both types of reels have they’re own strengths, personally I use Baitcaster for everything except for flipping. If your using a lighter bait with a baitcaster it’s as simple as adjusting the tension knob so your spool spins more freely. You need to keep your thumb on the spool and line so you don’t rats nest. But I agree with what you said, using a spinning reel is a lot more convenient and easier with light baits. It’s just preference but both can be used in the same situation, just need to pay a bit more attention if using a Baitcaster.
Not to mention screwing up with a baitcaster is significantly more punishing than spinners.
Also because the openface twists the line on the retrieve unless you have a swivel tied in. Fishing a spinnerbait or a crankbait that has action when retrieved on a spinner will cause issues if fished all day on an openface reel. Openface are good for fineness fishing, baitcaster for fast moving baits.
You can cast anything with a bait caster if you know how to adjust them correctly. The DC reels are game changing butter smooth.
Learn both don't limit your self. Proper set up will basically stop back lash with bait cast. Practice will never make you perfect but it helps. Just have fun and fish on. But learning both will catch more 🐟
it's not always true that bait casters retrieve line faster. They do have a higher gear ratio but since the spool is much smaller than some spinning reels, it's about even. If you have double the diameter on us spinning reel and half the gear ratio it will retrieve line the same speed
I got a temu baitcaster in the mail today and took it to a back yard pond for a test run. Got backlashed a little bit once or twice, but just a little as i was tweeking the tensions. I figured it out on my own, caught a little bass and it was really cool. Barely felt anything on the line, too. Later got snagged and lost my lure, but overall a good experience. I love my daiwa spinning reels, but i think I'll keep a baitcaster on me from now on.
Much more control with a baitcaster and make fishing crankbaits much easier. You can use lighter lures with them, just pick one designed to cast smaller lures, like Shimano MGL or Daiwa SV spooled reels. I only use spinning reels for lures below 20g or for vertical jigging, but even that method can be better with a baitcaster if it has a flippin switch.
I disagree with the lighter lure line. Sure some cheap baitcasters have trouble throwing ultra light stuff. But modern quality baitcasters can throw finesse type baits w/o issue. And with a baitcasters comes incredible accuracy.
A big plus you forgot to mention is that you can start reeling faster, no need to close the bail.
You can make far more accurate casts with a bait caster. I use bait caster’s for everything except light lures, then I turn to a spinning reel.
“Casting with the press of a button feels so cool”
Spincasters: am I a joke to you
Baitcaster:yes you are
My experience has been that spinning reels birds nest less but when they do, it's impossible to clear and you just need to write off the whole spool of line
Try loosening the drag ,then pull line out the side with bell closed . It works most of the time. When it doesn't , l cut out the knot and splice my line back together.
Hated casting reels until I started noticing that basically all salmon steelhead fisherman in the Pacific Northwest use left hand retrieve reels even though they are right handed. Once I bought a left hand retrieve I changed my philosophy. It’s is twice as productive for the types of steelhead fishing we do here especially float fishing
Im sure that a spinning rod will provide more pulling force. The line roller acts as a snatch block and at 90 degrees line change direction will increase by 41%
Trout fishing? I use an ultralight rod with a spinning reel. Bass fishing? Bait caster all day. Easier to throw heavy baits in my opinion, and easier to control distance simply by applying pressure to the spool with your thumb
Depending what you want to use it for. We meaning my father his buddies and me use them for crank baits, jerk baits, spinner baits, jigs, and worms Carolina or Texas rigging. There is a brake on the side that's used to adjust for the weight of whatever lure you are using on the bait caster. Also why people usually bird nest them, because the brake isn't set right for that specific lure they are using
Missed the biggest pro of baitcasters which is how easy they make it to cast insanely accurately.
Idk what you’re using but senkos and spinners are heavy enough for my baitcaster. It’s the really small lures that are kinda hard to throw but I found that if you leave enough line out to where the lure is lower, you can actually throw it pretty far, like smaller flicker shads, crank baits, and jerk baits.
i was raised on baitcasters and you can cast super light tackle on them if you have the right kind. I love throwing 1/16oz stuff on my daiwa steez air for high pressure fisheries.
im 28 and have only used a spinning reel once, i got one, sold it and invested it in the daiwa that lets me throw stuff that would work better on a spinning reel
The only time I backlash now is into a heavy wind or right after I catch a fish. After you catch a fish you have dug in your line somewhat and you should let the light out and reel it back in with tension. I use them for everything except ned rigs, senkos and poppers.
Fishing Pro Jimmy Houston told me there really is no advantage from a spincast to a baitcast. Except you can use lighter line on a baitcast.
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It's hard to get your line twisted. Heavier drag,just a stronger reel in general.
Why would anyone NOT use a baitcaster? True, plastic worms can be better used with spinners, depending on your cast, surroundings and depth. But if you know what you're doing, level winds are the best.
So the direct torque is why it’s so much easier to reel in fish with my new bait caster. (Only used spinner reels)
I don’t even use a spinner reel and fish 2clubs ,they’re just too bulky on the deck and baitcasters seem to be easier to hit the spots.Everyone has their preference,I know people who fish bass tournaments with Zebco reels.
Spinning reels actually retrieve more line per turn on average, but have a lower gear ratio. The gear ratios for baitcasters and spinning reels are based off spool diameter, and since most spinning reels even at the 2500 size have a greater diameter spool than a 100 size baitcaster, they retrieve line faster. Highly recommend to read the box and see how many inches per turn your reel retrieves and not base your purchase off the gear ratio.
No they dont.. The gear ratio simply mean how much the spool turns with 1 turn of the handle. So on a 8:5:1 reel the spool turn 8.5 times for every 1 turn of the handle.. Spinning reels take in much less line per handle turn
Huge deal to me is line twist. A spinning reel will get wind knots when casted hard with line twist from various things. A bait caster drastically mitigates those effects. So any lure that spins a lot when casted or incidentally when retrieved benefits from a bait caster. That is why most bottom fishing in the ocean is done with a bait caster or conventional reel. Those rigs spin a lot and the reels themselves are meant to handle that.
Once I got a bait caster, I absolutely never throw anything on spinning except dropshot and some light stuff. Weightless flukes, frogs, all crank baits, worms, soinnerbaits are all on my bait casters.
Another nice thing about baitcasters is that if YOU GUYS ever "over shoot" your target, you can slow the bait down with your thumb and get it to drop on target. Rather than the old "YANK BACK ON THE ROD AS HARD AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP A $15.00 LURE FROM FLYING UP INTO A TREE" spinning reel manuever, that inevitably winds up in a picture perfect "birds nest" which I personally have NEVER done.😁 Good luck.🐟
I met a retired pro bass fisherman TODAY! He told me THEE EXACT SAME INFO HERE! He said it took a year for him to perfect how to use one 🤷♂️
So I had a baitcaster about a month ago... I returned it about a week later after realizing you can't use many lures at all on it and I am mostly a micro fishing kind of person so I returned it and got two new rods at tackle box for the tackle for the same price I do not recommend getting a baitcaster unless you're rich open phases work just as well
God I have PTSD as a teenager bird's nesting while learning to use a baitcaster
I throw senkos all day on my caster. Just gotta use yamamotos. Lots of salt. Nice and heavy. The bass love the salt.
Also, the one-piece poles used with baitcasters are a lot more reliable, IMO.
Also with baitcasters, you can have more accuracy when casting since you can stop the line whenever with your thumb
You can easily stop the line with a spinner