I heard Eric bischoff n others say years ago that the real wrestling observer wasn't a real thing nomore in the 90s and nobody paid attention to Dave until he started doing podcast
Been a wrestling fan fo 40 years .never read an observer news letter and never will . Concensus is dave is a good historical archivist of wrestling but has no clue what good wrestling is anymore .he's lost what touch he did have . Being a young bucks and kenny supporter is prove of that .
The saddest thing is The Young Bucks spent a long stretch of their careers riding the wave of the Bullet Club which means they were henchmen to Prince Devitt (Finn Balor), AJ Styles, and Kenny Omega. They "sold merch" but it was all Bullet Club merch, they didnt even start Bullet Club Devitt did. AEW wasnt their brainchild-it was Tony Khan's. So what are they getting credit for? Indie shows...
people talk smack about vince or hunter having “their guys” but the young bucks can suck meltzers boot with that dog shit meltzer driver and you got people pretending theyre just talented, smh
Yeah but so what? I mean, this is where people lose me. Dave did what any of us could do. He's just a guy. But haven't we all known that for 30+ years? The only people who think this is a brilliant realization are the ones who keep saying it. It's like the reverse of the people who keep yelling that pro wrestling is fake. Like, yeah. We know. Meltzer is just a guy. We know.
It's not even a love for the Bucks, it's a goddamn obsession. What other 60 year old man is fangirling an indie wrestling team and their wrestling promotion nearly as hard as Dave Meltzer does??? I actually half believe that if the Bucks ever had a falling out with Dave and they & AEW ended up disavowing him, he'd go insane and try to murder them out of fanatic rage. It's absurd, and even a little concerning just how much of wrestling is defined by what the Young Bucks & AEW is up to in Dave's world.
@ Dave has managed to make a wrestling HOF that discredits wrestling more than WWE’s, and they never pretended to care about honoring the real pioneers😭😭
The Steiners aren't in, but the Young Bucks are..... Either one of the Steiners would destroy the Bucks in a handicap shoot. Scott Steiner drew more money than both of those tools combined. Meltzer is a clown and a mark.
Over the last 30 years the 2 most popular tag teams were the Road Warriors and The Steiner Brothers. If u put The Bucks over The Steiners then u don’t know wrestling.
I dont know the last 30 years ...since the Steiners rarely teamed over the last 30 years lol. After the split in WCW they only teamed a handful of more times
@@jfdracI think it's one of those deals where people don't realize that 1980 was like 45 years ago. Jim is guilty of it, too, saying 20 years ago and quoting Austin and Hart matches, when they were both retired twenty years ago.
@@josephrother7950 Heh yeah its crazy the realitivity of time but yeah its when you realize some fans have been alive for longer than wrestlers you watched growing up have been retired or dead
I know basically nothing about wrestling history and I would know just from some quick searching or discussion that Junkyard Dog should be in any hall of fame. Absolutely shows the standard of people voting.
Tag teams not in the HOF when the Bucks are. Steiner Brothers, The British Bulldogs, The Hart Foundation, Dudley Bro's, The Hardy Boyz, The Von Erich brothers, The Uso's, Demolition, the new day, Harlem Heat and the ding dongs! I can probably keep going but you get the point.
@@TheNinthHeart You may not like them but they were probably the biggest money drawing team of the 2010's and involved in the hottest story line of the 2020's. I'm not a huge fan of them, but those are just facts.
There's a video of the Elite (Omega and the Bucks) in a ring somewhere, and they point out Dave at ringside, who for whatever reason decided to stick his tongue out and shake his head like an insane person lol
Asuka, a big star in Japan and the US, the first WWE women to accomplish the Grand Slam, longer streak than Goldberg, has helped put over many of the modern big women stars of today, is getting removed from the ballot? I will bet my house on this, if you had a convention and it was occupied by both casual and hardcore fans, and 2 lines, One to meet The bucks and the other to meet Asuka, and those people had to choose only one or the other, Asuka will have the longer line, I guarantee you she has more recognition and popularity amongst the people of the US than the bucks do. The observer is a JOKE!
Far from a Meltzer fan but he is in it. With that being said how the hell is the Young Bucks in his HOF before guys like the nWo,Batista,JYD and even the Ultimate Warrior who at point rivaled Hogans popularity?
@@jeffreybartoletti5259well duh. They're wrestlers, they're only in touch with wrestling. Why wouldn't they be out of touch with the developments of circus acrobatics?
All I have to say about the observer Hall of fame is that it took Sting until 2016 to get into the observer Hall of Fame becuase Meltzer and Alvarez decided he wasnt very good and pushed that idea before every vote
The dismissal of Randy Orton is unbelievable. The best new all-round wrestler of the third millennium (wrestling ability, star power, promo work, interesting storylines, great matches, longevity etc).
Remember when the young bucks got booed, and not wrasslin boos, when they showed their dumb faces after the first FTR v The Briscoes match? Roh sure loves them
@@RealGilbertGan But you don't SEE the other 3's tongues. So, even though they are undoubtedly there, they cannot be counted due to lack of visibility.
This is one of the (many) reasons I just cannot take them seriously. I'm an average/small guy. 5'6" and 170lbs. I can throw a punch, but a combat athlete I am not. In a legitimate fight, I would genuinely fancy my chances against either of the Buckaroos. So how are they supposed to be taken seriously as a legitimate threat in any altercation? Cosplay kids doing cosplay bullshit.
You wanna talk influential figures in Wrestling? Why is someone like Otto Wanz not in the Hall of Fame? Most people in the states only know him for his AWA run and his controversial reign as AWA champion. But in Austria and Germany (especially Bremen where i am from) he was considered an icon and an incredible influential figure for the rise of pro wrestling over here. He promoted big wrestling events during the christmas season in Bremen during the 80s and early 90s and brought in big names like Andre the Giant, Chris Benoit, Bradshaw, Fit Finlay, Jushin Liger and Terry Funk, while also promoting local talent and the house was always packed. And he is supposedly not as hall of fame worthy as the Young Bucks? Give me a break.
Have you thought about writing in to Jim to see what he knows about Otto? Honestly, it seems like there could be a good book for someone (maybe James Romero) looking in to the European history of Pro-Wrestling as from what I remember, most of the books focus on the US and Japan, and maybe Jim discussing him triggers that
It's definitely ridiculous that Johnny Saint is voted in before Big Daddy. Yea Saint was a great wrestler but was never a mainstream celebrity and pop culture figure in the UK the way Big Daddy was. The Wrestling Observer HOF has become even more of a joke than the WWE HOF.
@@bcal8118Big Daddy was the biggest draw in British wrestling history, followed closely by Giant Haystacks (aka Loch Ness in WCW) and Kendo Nagasaki, who despite the name was less Japanese than IKEA.
Big Daddy had TV audiences in the 10s of millions. I still have a home his beneo style comic books and annuals he if Kevin Nash and Hogan are there so should Daddy. Wrestling is a work.
Big Daddy was also a big reason why Greg Dyke took wrestling off World of Sport and essentially killed the UK wrestling scene for over a generation. It is still a shadow of its former self.
Dave Meltzer is like the Dave Chappelle improv of Dylan from “Making Of The Band” (Dave Meltzer)- “Name the 5 greatest tag teams of all time:Young Bucks, Young Bucks, Young Bucks, Young Bucks and Young Bucks Their flips are hot fire!”
HAHAHA!!!! I forgot about Dy-Lan. That Chapelle skit as well as your comment cracked me up! TK has that lost look on his face like Dy-Lan sometimes too. LOL!
Brian compares the Buckaroos to all those hall of fame worthy names, but all I can say is "yeah, but they weren't the first non-WWE act to have Funko Pops made of them!" Everyone knows you ain't a REAL hall of famer unless you have a JD McDonough!
A shoot handicap match against Bron Richsteiner and The Bucks I'd pay to see. And the last wrestling I paid to see was the Pillman Memorial when WWE, WCW and ECW all sent talent.
Imagine if the American Baseball Hall of Fame tried to regularly induct Japanese baseball players who never played in the US - they, best case, would resort to purely mechanical debates on statistics because they’d be totally divorced from the cultural context of when those players played. If Dave wants to celebrate Japanese wrestlers, he needs to get Japanese wrestling experts to be his voters. The corollary to that is that historians should be the only ones who vote for the historical wrestlers, the journalists actively covering wrestling and former wrestlers should vote for modern wrestlers (and only those who are not actively wrestling, it’s absurd to induct active workers before the full arc of their career is done), etc. etc. Instead this HOF is just the Wrestling Observer Newsletter HOF as Brian said, because Dave gets to stack the voter pool.
Gorilla Monsoon has a whole area named after him in the wrestling world and isnt in? For christ sakes. Also he was a good commentator. Him and Bobby were hilarious.
I also don't like current wrestlers going into the hof. Even if it's an imaginary hof. The hof should be one last big moment for these people and it lessens that when active wrestlers go in. Rey and Heyman are obviously hofers but putting them in prematurely (imo) was eye rolling.
I definitely agree that current (active) wrestling personalities should not be getting put up for Hall of Fames. Especially when so many older and fully retired veterans don’t get their due respect. But…AT LEAST Rey and Heyman had 30-40 years of experience in the business by the time they got into the WWE Hall of Fame. How long have the Dumb Bucks been around?
I know why, but it is wild that Bray got dropped from the ballot. How can a former WWE Champion, 2x Universal Champion, 2x Tag Champion not meet a criteria for a Hall of Fame? How can someone who worked Cena/Undertaker/Rock/Orton in consecutive WrestleMania matches not be eligible for a Hall of Fame? How can someone who is on record for drawing more in merch than anyone since Cena not be eligible for the Hall of Fame? This guy worked with them all, from Goldberg to Jericho to Brock to Kane despite being a “new” guy. As The Fiend everyone came back to work with him like Lawler and Foley and Angle because it was so over. The Wyatt Family vs The Shield was a legendary feud. Bryan and Bray created some amazing television together. The living tribute to his life is currently on RAW right now. But yes, put CIMA in the hall of fame instead. Far bigger legacy, clearly.
Dave Meltzer spent 25 years building up his reputation, and it took him less than 5 years to completely destroy it. His credibility has been utterly destroyed, and he hammers another nail in to the coffin every week it seems like. Was it really worth it, for the Young Bucks and Tony Khan?
Dave had the opportunity to make this HOF something meaningful in an industry of chaos. But, as usual, he can't get out of his own way. Really is a shame.
World champion of the two biggest promotions in the history of the business, main evented two WrestleMania's, against Hulk Hogan and The Undertaker. But I guess Tony Schiavone is just more important and historically significant. 🙄
Every time Dave says “one could argue” all I can think of is the “With all due respect” scene in Talladega Nights. Those phrases don’t automatically make the statements that follow correct.
Bill Goldberg sold out the old Georgia Dome on a Monday night (if I remember right). I defy the Young Bucks to sell out Mercedes-Benz Stadium on a Wednesday night.
I’m not sure he’s paid in money but AEW is booked exactly as Dave has wanted wrestling booked for years. To badmouth AEW would be admitting his ideas were wrong
LOL not having Steiners, Bulldogs, or Von Erichs but having Balding Dough Boys says it all on what a joke Meltzers "awards" are. But I honestly don't believe anyone really voted Balding Dough Boys in. Meltzer just lied and put them in. Everything about Meltzer is a bad joke.
The answer is yes. Johnny Saint was a draw in England. Cards with himself against Mick McManus, 'Crybaby' Jim Breaks, Steve Grey, Rollerball Rocco, and Fit Finlay, were big draws. People came to see him tie a villain in knots, and embarrass them in the middle of the ring. While Big Daddy had all of the hype, the fact is Johnny Saint was British wrestling's ultimate blue eye (babyface), and to borrow a quote from Corny that he used to use about Sid Vicious and Arn Anderson. Big Daddy, you saw it once and it was over. Johnny Saint would draw you solid money for 20 years. That was proven when Joint Promotions under Big Daddy and booked by his brother Max Crabtree struggled to draw at live events, and this was before they lost TV. As Big Daddy was as insulting to adult fans in the UK, as cartoon wrestling was to people in the Southern United States who had watched the style of the territories before Vince's national expansion. It was even worse for Joint Promotions after they lost TV, with them failing to pack out buildings between 1988 and Big Daddy having to retire after a heart attack in late 1993. They had tried so much to build the promotion around him and him alone, that their next move was to sign Davey Boy Smith in 1994 when he was between jobs. Which lasted about six months before he was picked up by the WWF again, and Joint Promotions ultimately shut down in 1995. Johnny Saint meanwhile was still drawing crowds in All Star Wrestling, both at live events against the likes of Mark Rocco while they were still on TV. But even afterwards he would still draw in an audience as the top billing by contesting the light heavyweight championship against the likes of Steve Grey, Fit Finlay, or Dave Taylor. Or tagging in the main event against the likes of Kendo Nagasaki.
I don’t know if CIMA should be in or not but if you haven’t seen his performance in the 2000 Super J Cup, you’ve got to. It’s a high water mark for Japanese wrestling (in my humble opinion.)
The divide in professional wrestling between something that a person can watch and the horrible pseudochoreographed southern California Indy wannabe gymnastics of the Bucks grows more every day.
I saw Cima wrestle at the Dragon Gate Shows that Dragon Gate ran in Philadelphia in 2009 and 2010. Jon Moxley, Pak, Brodie Lee were among the Wrestlers who worked those shows for Dragon Gate.
CM Punk will never in Uncle Daves "Wrestling Observer Hall Of Fame" cause it'll upset his daddies *The Counterfeit Bucks* Also if you listen closely at Uncle Dave when talking about his daddies, you can hear the *hawk tuahs* he's giving them.
If CM Punk never got in WWE and had the career he had, Tyler Black, Bryan Danielson, El Generico and Kevin Steen would be still be wrestling in bingo halls. I always felt like Punk's signing was the butterfly effect in wrestling, he was patient zero for indie guys after the fall of WCW and ECW.
@@athanaskozhuharov9700 It was the fall of the territories that caused Indy wrestling to happen. Bunch of promotions without either the knowledge or the money to do anything seriously, same with the wrestlers. Neither WCW nor WWE were going to find as many people who knew what they were doing and had to start making their own.
Shingo Takagi was also trained by Ultimo Dragon and we saw him wrestle at The Dragon Gate Shows in Philadelphia. We'vve also seen him work for AEW, New Japan Pro Wrestling and other Professional Wrestling Promotions.
Since I watched Smokey mountain episodes I will never forget Paul orndorff asking that kid his favorite wrestler , “WHITE LIGHTNIN’!” And tears his poster hahaha
Youngblood & Steamboat was my first followed angle growing up. Saw Snuka and Steamboat go at it in the Cincinnati Gardens with Ricky trying to get revenge for Jay getting injured by Snuka
If the Bucks were really successful in ROH, we wouldn't have AEW right now because there would have been no need - ROH would have become huge if the Bucks, Omega, etc were really as good as guys like Dave keep pushing. The fact that AEW shows can't crack a million viewers shows that they are not popular or successful so this has nothing to do with their work and is simply so they can now go on AEW tv and call themselves a HOF team. We laugh at the joke that the wwe HOF has turned into but having the Bucks in when the Bulldogs, who really did change tag team wrestling, or the Steiner are not makes this HOF a complete sham.
I think you cannot count on modern voters to have enough awareness of historical figures from the distant past to vote them into any Hall of Fame. After a certain point, you just have to put them in if you want them to be in. I have been a wrestling fan for over 30 years, and I have never heard of a couple of people that Father Jim and Brian discussed in this clip. I think that is the case with a lot of the voters as well. That is why the more recent wrestlers get many more votes than the historical figures, even if the historical figures had much greater accomplishments in the business. Jim and Brian are essentially wrestling encyclopedias. They can recite dates, times, and people off the top of their head that I could never hope to remember. Most people aren't that knowledgeable.
Wrestling observer newsletter has been around for 44 years and i am proud to say i have never read any edition or even one article!
same here
Same here
I heard Eric bischoff n others say years ago that the real wrestling observer wasn't a real thing nomore in the 90s and nobody paid attention to Dave until he started doing podcast
Same
Been a wrestling fan fo 40 years .never read an observer news letter and never will . Concensus is dave is a good historical archivist of wrestling but has no clue what good wrestling is anymore .he's lost what touch he did have . Being a young bucks and kenny supporter is prove of that .
The saddest thing is The Young Bucks spent a long stretch of their careers riding the wave of the Bullet Club which means they were henchmen to Prince Devitt (Finn Balor), AJ Styles, and Kenny Omega.
They "sold merch" but it was all Bullet Club merch, they didnt even start Bullet Club Devitt did.
AEW wasnt their brainchild-it was Tony Khan's.
So what are they getting credit for? Indie shows...
Yep that's it
people talk smack about vince or hunter having “their guys” but the young bucks can suck meltzers boot with that dog shit meltzer driver and you got people pretending theyre just talented, smh
Nailed it
Carrying bags for actual stars and naming a flippy move after Meltzer. Like nominating Goon #4 in the second act for an award
The forever dwindling number of newsletter marks will purposely misconstrue their impact on the wrestling business as the years go on
Dave Meltzer is the Perez Hilton of pro wrestling. He's a gossip columnist for a bullshit tabloid of his own making. Nothing more
Rocco and Perez Hilton
Actually, I think that's insulting to Perez Hilton. He at least knows he's a whore. Dave either doesn't know it or doesn't acknowledge it.
@BetterCallJamieParis Hilton is a damn good heel
Nicely put. 🫡
Yeah but so what? I mean, this is where people lose me. Dave did what any of us could do. He's just a guy. But haven't we all known that for 30+ years? The only people who think this is a brilliant realization are the ones who keep saying it. It's like the reverse of the people who keep yelling that pro wrestling is fake. Like, yeah. We know. Meltzer is just a guy. We know.
Absolutely NOBODY should be giving Dave any of their time or attention after that bullshit with Dutch
Dave been around for yrs and nobody paid attention or took him seriously back then
True!
@@ojlott-w4nyes, but some idiots do now unfortunately
Meltzer’s love for the Young Bucks ruined his legacy, it’s really sad to see.
Meltzer continually making up shyt and not owning it ruined his legacy.
Add insult to that is what he said about poor Dutch Mantell when he was battling sepsis.
He’s definitely loosing subscribers
It's not even a love for the Bucks, it's a goddamn obsession. What other 60 year old man is fangirling an indie wrestling team and their wrestling promotion nearly as hard as Dave Meltzer does??? I actually half believe that if the Bucks ever had a falling out with Dave and they & AEW ended up disavowing him, he'd go insane and try to murder them out of fanatic rage.
It's absurd, and even a little concerning just how much of wrestling is defined by what the Young Bucks & AEW is up to in Dave's world.
@@darinlunderman8063I’ve even heard Dave talking about buying Young Bucks merchandise at the mall
Once the Young Bucks are gone from the business, nobody will talk about them like they do Dusty Rhodes or Bruno Sammartino.
They should be flattered to be compared to Dustin and David.
@quercusquercus532 😆
LOL Brooklyn Brawler and Gillberg will be remembered more then Balding Dough Boys will
@@quercusquercus532Dustin ‘the putz’ runnels had no talent
No one gives a shit about them now except for some musty aew neckbeards😂😂
Dave's gonna put Generation Me in before he puts the Steiners in 😂 TNA's HOF is legitimately more credible.
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
Traci Brooks and Abyss are the most questionable inductees. Which isn't bad. It's a small hall of fame but it makes more sense than Dave's.
@@kaczok1985tbf for a TNA HOF, Abyss makes sense I guess
@@ultralightpablo Yes. Exactly. There's no one on there that would make me ask 'Why are they here?'
@ Dave has managed to make a wrestling HOF that discredits wrestling more than WWE’s, and they never pretended to care about honoring the real pioneers😭😭
The Steiners aren't in, but the Young Bucks are..... Either one of the Steiners would destroy the Bucks in a handicap shoot. Scott Steiner drew more money than both of those tools combined. Meltzer is a clown and a mark.
The amount of money The Steiners drew just in Japan dwarves those two goofs.
@@manuelperwhich makes it even more off that Meltzturd hasn’t put them in.
I would watch an AEW Dynamite to see Rick or Scott take on the Young Sucks in a handicap match.
@@travismiller4320I’d watch that just for the promo that Scott would cut on them.
“Hey you two twink bastards…” 😂
Yeah, Meltzer gets no sympy from me.
Over the last 30 years the 2 most popular tag teams were the Road Warriors and The Steiner Brothers. If u put The Bucks over The Steiners then u don’t know wrestling.
Dave definitely knows his wrestling... thing is his getting paid a lump sum to act like he doesn't
@@asaptwo9198he's a great historian. That's as much as I can give him.
I dont know the last 30 years ...since the Steiners rarely teamed over the last 30 years lol. After the split in WCW they only teamed a handful of more times
@@jfdracI think it's one of those deals where people don't realize that 1980 was like 45 years ago. Jim is guilty of it, too, saying 20 years ago and quoting Austin and Hart matches, when they were both retired twenty years ago.
@@josephrother7950 Heh yeah its crazy the realitivity of time but yeah its when you realize some fans have been alive for longer than wrestlers you watched growing up have been retired or dead
Adrian Street desrves to be in there entirely just because he apparently beat the shit out of Jimmy Savile
My love for Adrian street has grown significantly, God bless him and his family
And Adrian Street was the heel at the time for doing it
Lucky for ol' Jimmy that Adrian didn't 100% know what Jimmy-boy was doing to children at the time. If he knew, Adrian would have killed him.
Nice!
@@milocooper9540 He would be the babyface now.
I'm just imagining Uncle Dave stuttering and stumbling over himself to explain his hof to Jim and Brian.
I know basically nothing about wrestling history and I would know just from some quick searching or discussion that Junkyard Dog should be in any hall of fame. Absolutely shows the standard of people voting.
The only standard there is "Who does Dave like?"
Dave HATED JYD back in the day. I'm surprised JYD is allowed on the voting list
@@chrissawyer1484 He also hated Sting to almost the same degree.
How did the Young Bucks got into anyone's Hall of Fame when they aren't even due for the Hall of Mediocrity.
They’ve never drawn flies on shit
Tag teams not in the HOF when the Bucks are.
Steiner Brothers, The British Bulldogs, The Hart Foundation, Dudley Bro's, The Hardy Boyz, The Von Erich brothers, The Uso's, Demolition, the new day, Harlem Heat and the ding dongs!
I can probably keep going but you get the point.
Hell of a list. If tag teams are a part of your HOF and the Steiners and Bulldogs aren't in it, what the hell is the point?
The Bushwackers even lol.
“The usos” ….? Sarcasm?
@@TheNinthHeart You may not like them but they were probably the biggest money drawing team of the 2010's and involved in the hottest story line of the 2020's. I'm not a huge fan of them, but those are just facts.
@@janreznak881 As a kiwi, i should have put them in, lol. National disgrace on my part.
Dave must have blow up dolls of the Bucks hiding in his closet.
Nope. He has the real thing in there.
Ox Baker would destroy both Young Bucks with one heart punch.
Ox Baker these days is still more powerful than the Bucks
@@TomFoolery350 I believe he lives on in Dutche's moustache and beard
LMAO the artwork of dave meltzer with his tongue out always cracks me up I've always wondered what the backstory of it is.
There's a video of the Elite (Omega and the Bucks) in a ring somewhere, and they point out Dave at ringside, who for whatever reason decided to stick his tongue out and shake his head like an insane person lol
Such good shit, pal
@DanBrown0531 LMAO ok thanks I learned something new today.
@@chico1680why do i always hear this in vince's voice lol.
He always sticks his tongue out he did it on some stage for observer/basement dweller get together
Asuka, a big star in Japan and the US, the first WWE women to accomplish the Grand Slam, longer streak than Goldberg, has helped put over many of the modern big women stars of today, is getting removed from the ballot? I will bet my house on this, if you had a convention and it was occupied by both casual and hardcore fans, and 2 lines, One to meet The bucks and the other to meet Asuka, and those people had to choose only one or the other, Asuka will have the longer line, I guarantee you she has more recognition and popularity amongst the people of the US than the bucks do. The observer is a JOKE!
I agree
So young bucks are in. And John cena isn't. What fucking sense does that make ????
Far from a Meltzer fan but he is in it. With that being said how the hell is the Young Bucks in his HOF before guys like the nWo,Batista,JYD and even the Ultimate Warrior who at point rivaled Hogans popularity?
Cena is in. He was inducted first ballot.
@@milocooper9540please stop describing this like it’s a real thing . Can we take a day trip to this hall of fame 😂😂😂
@seanbuchanan5402 yes. I went once. I think it was on the 32nd of January. 😆
No retired wrestlers voted for the Young Bucks. Was does that say?
Out of touch😅
jealous, probably. they obviously don't study cagematch.
@@jeffreybartoletti5259well duh. They're wrestlers, they're only in touch with wrestling. Why wouldn't they be out of touch with the developments of circus acrobatics?
Its more like Marks stuffing their favorite wrestlers into "our mark hall of fame" its bullshit.
All I have to say about the observer Hall of fame is that it took Sting until 2016 to get into the observer Hall of Fame becuase Meltzer and Alvarez decided he wasnt very good and pushed that idea before every vote
Cornette's right correcting Last. You should read the names that got in first then the ones that missed out.
how many years until dave puts tony the snow man in his hof?
He was inducted 2019
@@mjdf122he what ?
@@hgriff14 Dave inducted him back in 2019 to the HOF 😆
@@hgriff14 Yeah, the Booker of the Year is already in Meltzer's HoF
☠️☠️☠️☠️@@mjdf122
The dismissal of Randy Orton is unbelievable. The best new all-round wrestler of the third millennium (wrestling ability, star power, promo work, interesting storylines, great matches, longevity etc).
Remember when the young bucks got booed, and not wrasslin boos, when they showed their dumb faces after the first FTR v The Briscoes match? Roh sure loves them
THIS time, not only do we get a Meltzer Tongue, we get TWO Meltzer Tongues!
2 Meltzer Tongues up!!!
Make that 5 (with the other 3 on the trash bin)
@@RealGilbertGan But you don't SEE the other 3's tongues. So, even though they are undoubtedly there, they cannot be counted due to lack of visibility.
@@toddkurzbard I know that. But still, Meltzer's tongue-sticking face is just hilarious
Knowing what Dave Meltzer is today, 11/22/24, do we think that C.M. Punk would've made the HOF, IF Punk had stayed with AEW?!?!
Dave didn’t change, he has always been a fraud.
Unlikely, it's clear to anyone that Dave has an agenda against Punk, he begrudgingly gave the match with Macintyre 5 stars after public pressure
It would take both the bucks to hold up a hall of fame award
This is one of the (many) reasons I just cannot take them seriously. I'm an average/small guy. 5'6" and 170lbs. I can throw a punch, but a combat athlete I am not. In a legitimate fight, I would genuinely fancy my chances against either of the Buckaroos.
So how are they supposed to be taken seriously as a legitimate threat in any altercation? Cosplay kids doing cosplay bullshit.
You wanna talk influential figures in Wrestling? Why is someone like Otto Wanz not in the Hall of Fame?
Most people in the states only know him for his AWA run and his controversial reign as AWA champion. But in Austria and Germany (especially Bremen where i am from) he was considered an icon and an incredible influential figure for the rise of pro wrestling over here. He promoted big wrestling events during the christmas season in Bremen during the 80s and early 90s and brought in big names like Andre the Giant, Chris Benoit, Bradshaw, Fit Finlay, Jushin Liger and Terry Funk, while also promoting local talent and the house was always packed.
And he is supposedly not as hall of fame worthy as the Young Bucks? Give me a break.
Gott des Telefonbuch Zerreisens
Have you thought about writing in to Jim to see what he knows about Otto? Honestly, it seems like there could be a good book for someone (maybe James Romero) looking in to the European history of Pro-Wrestling as from what I remember, most of the books focus on the US and Japan, and maybe Jim discussing him triggers that
He actually wouldn't have been a bad AWA champion had he been built up seriously instead of the championship win just happening.
I haven't heard the word "zima" since the 90s, which was a drink 😂
Oh it's easy to see why Cody Rhodes didn't make Dave's hall of crap. He's in WWE now and not AEW.
It's definitely ridiculous that Johnny Saint is voted in before Big Daddy.
Yea Saint was a great wrestler but was never a mainstream celebrity and pop culture figure in the UK the way Big Daddy was.
The Wrestling Observer HOF has become even more of a joke than the WWE HOF.
Who
@@bcal8118Big Daddy was the biggest draw in British wrestling history, followed closely by Giant Haystacks (aka Loch Ness in WCW) and Kendo Nagasaki, who despite the name was less Japanese than IKEA.
Big Daddy had TV audiences in the 10s of millions. I still have a home his beneo style comic books and annuals he if Kevin Nash and Hogan are there so should Daddy. Wrestling is a work.
@@ThomasMiddlehurs1984 exactly. Almost anyone over the age of 40 in the UK knows who Big Daddy was. Even if they don't watch wrestling.
Big Daddy was also a big reason why Greg Dyke took wrestling off World of Sport and essentially killed the UK wrestling scene for over a generation. It is still a shadow of its former self.
Wait. JYD AND THE STEINERS AREN'T IN?! WHAT THE WHAT?!?!?!?!
Dave Meltzer is like the Dave Chappelle improv of Dylan from “Making Of The Band”
(Dave Meltzer)- “Name the 5 greatest tag teams of all time:Young Bucks, Young Bucks, Young Bucks, Young Bucks and Young Bucks
Their flips are hot fire!”
HAHAHA!!!! I forgot about Dy-Lan. That Chapelle skit as well as your comment cracked me up! TK has that lost look on his face like Dy-Lan sometimes too. LOL!
As a Chappelle Show lover I needed this. Columbian Breast Milk.
Hahaha
Long live Dylan, he who spits hot fire!
Why are the bucks even being considered. God damnit
Kevin sullivan rip did a lot in the business
Brian compares the Buckaroos to all those hall of fame worthy names, but all I can say is "yeah, but they weren't the first non-WWE act to have Funko Pops made of them!"
Everyone knows you ain't a REAL hall of famer unless you have a JD McDonough!
Tag match I never thought I needed to see - Steiners vs. Young Bucks.
Squash match, or at least anyone with sense would have the Steiners squash the Sucks
@@MrDevinmitchell Well more specifically, watching the Steiners physically beat the holy hell out of the Bucks...
BUCKS, YOU GOT A ONE AND THREE FIFTHS CHANCE OF WINNING
A shoot handicap match against Bron Richsteiner and The Bucks I'd pay to see. And the last wrestling I paid to see was the Pillman Memorial when WWE, WCW and ECW all sent talent.
@@InfiniCalendar Steve Rogers "I understood that reference".
Imagine if the American Baseball Hall of Fame tried to regularly induct Japanese baseball players who never played in the US - they, best case, would resort to purely mechanical debates on statistics because they’d be totally divorced from the cultural context of when those players played. If Dave wants to celebrate Japanese wrestlers, he needs to get Japanese wrestling experts to be his voters. The corollary to that is that historians should be the only ones who vote for the historical wrestlers, the journalists actively covering wrestling and former wrestlers should vote for modern wrestlers (and only those who are not actively wrestling, it’s absurd to induct active workers before the full arc of their career is done), etc. etc. Instead this HOF is just the Wrestling Observer Newsletter HOF as Brian said, because Dave gets to stack the voter pool.
Gorilla Monsoon has a whole area named after him in the wrestling world and isnt in? For christ sakes. Also he was a good commentator. Him and Bobby were hilarious.
Well, Travis has done it again Pure Genius Work. TY Mr. Heckel
I often go back to the Ole blistering Meltzer conference call, pure gold
What's the title so i can look it up please
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Steen and Generico, the Briscos and the Wolves, should be above the Bucks when it comes to ROH
And Motor City Machine Guns
The Hall of 40 Year Old Virgins Beloved
I also don't like current wrestlers going into the hof. Even if it's an imaginary hof. The hof should be one last big moment for these people and it lessens that when active wrestlers go in. Rey and Heyman are obviously hofers but putting them in prematurely (imo) was eye rolling.
I definitely agree that current (active) wrestling personalities should not be getting put up for Hall of Fames.
Especially when so many older and fully retired veterans don’t get their due respect.
But…AT LEAST Rey and Heyman had 30-40 years of experience in the business by the time they got into the WWE Hall of Fame.
How long have the Dumb Bucks been around?
HoF is it to appreciate the career of someone.
Imagine not ending your career yet and being in the HoF.
For historical significance, Cody Rhodes doing the original All In is very much to his credit.
I wonder if Dutch Mantel will get in
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Brilliant!
Well its almost 8 am in my country, breakfast is ready. Time to listen another epic burial of Dynamic Dude Dave Meltzer.
Hello fellow european.
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If that was the actual award, I'd so want one 😂
I know why, but it is wild that Bray got dropped from the ballot. How can a former WWE Champion, 2x Universal Champion, 2x Tag Champion not meet a criteria for a Hall of Fame? How can someone who worked Cena/Undertaker/Rock/Orton in consecutive WrestleMania matches not be eligible for a Hall of Fame? How can someone who is on record for drawing more in merch than anyone since Cena not be eligible for the Hall of Fame? This guy worked with them all, from Goldberg to Jericho to Brock to Kane despite being a “new” guy. As The Fiend everyone came back to work with him like Lawler and Foley and Angle because it was so over. The Wyatt Family vs The Shield was a legendary feud. Bryan and Bray created some amazing television together. The living tribute to his life is currently on RAW right now.
But yes, put CIMA in the hall of fame instead. Far bigger legacy, clearly.
*The thumbnails just don't stop getting better and better. We NEED an art show for Travis! We need one in Louisville, so Cornette can attend!*
Uncle Dave's Hof is such a funny composition. I mean, at least WWE tries, sort of. Dave just throws darts at names on a board
I mean he isn't the one picking them is he?
@@theredraven not personally but the most people doing the voting are heavily swayed to the opinions of Dave.
Dave Meltzer spent 25 years building up his reputation, and it took him less than 5 years to completely destroy it. His credibility has been utterly destroyed, and he hammers another nail in to the coffin every week it seems like. Was it really worth it, for the Young Bucks and Tony Khan?
Dave had the opportunity to make this HOF something meaningful in an industry of chaos. But, as usual, he can't get out of his own way. Really is a shame.
Sid is off the ballot?
Most fans remember him more than almost anyone mentioned in this segment!
World champion of the two biggest promotions in the history of the business, main evented two WrestleMania's, against Hulk Hogan and The Undertaker. But I guess Tony Schiavone is just more important and historically significant. 🙄
Every time Dave says “one could argue” all I can think of is the “With all due respect” scene in Talladega Nights. Those phrases don’t automatically make the statements that follow correct.
The Wrestling Observer Hall Of Fame, aka The Meltzees.
Aka the Meltzer Raspberry Awards
Never cared about this pretend hall of fame and certainly don't care even more now with Meltzers recent shitty behavior even by his standards.
It’s all in Dave’s head
Bill Goldberg sold out the old Georgia Dome on a Monday night (if I remember right). I defy the Young Bucks to sell out Mercedes-Benz Stadium on a Wednesday night.
Dave has hated WWF/WWE with all the fiber in his being for over 40 years. He is being paid by Tony Khan. Can't change my mind.
Idk if he's being paid but it's certainly in his direct financial interest to support AEW.
Nope, sadly he is doing that for free. So its become even more sad.
He hated WCW even worse before they went under.
I’m not sure he’s paid in money but AEW is booked exactly as Dave has wanted wrestling booked for years. To badmouth AEW would be admitting his ideas were wrong
Hayabusa & The Von Erichs absolutely needs to be there!! Bona-fide Legends.
Uncle dave snortin too much snow with tony khanman ☠️
To quote Honky Tonk Man
It’s not a Hall of Fame!
The Cauliflower is the real one
My buddy beat honky tonk man in the ring because he forgot kick out. He went full hogan politically on him backstage. Crazy stuff
"Dont drink the piss, Jake!"
I’ve illegally downloaded Meltzer’s archives once and I’m proud to say he never got a dime outta me since my introduction to wrestling in ‘81.
Same lol
Adrian Street is a hall of fame wrestler.
Regional star
@@ebransc09 Everybody were "regional stars" back in his day.
@@ebransc09Regional/territory star? He toured different territories as part of the NWA & AWA. He was booked as an attraction.
the young bucks are in but the Steiners aren't😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Meltzer is beyond a joke
Mr. Wonderful was SO GOOD. His heel turn on Hogan worked me as a young lad. Just great all around.
It’s one of my earliest memories of wrestling😊
LOL not having Steiners, Bulldogs, or Von Erichs but having Balding Dough Boys says it all on what a joke Meltzers "awards" are.
But I honestly don't believe anyone really voted Balding Dough Boys in. Meltzer just lied and put them in.
Everything about Meltzer is a bad joke.
The answer is yes. Johnny Saint was a draw in England. Cards with himself against Mick McManus, 'Crybaby' Jim Breaks, Steve Grey, Rollerball Rocco, and Fit Finlay, were big draws. People came to see him tie a villain in knots, and embarrass them in the middle of the ring.
While Big Daddy had all of the hype, the fact is Johnny Saint was British wrestling's ultimate blue eye (babyface), and to borrow a quote from Corny that he used to use about Sid Vicious and Arn Anderson.
Big Daddy, you saw it once and it was over. Johnny Saint would draw you solid money for 20 years.
That was proven when Joint Promotions under Big Daddy and booked by his brother Max Crabtree struggled to draw at live events, and this was before they lost TV. As Big Daddy was as insulting to adult fans in the UK, as cartoon wrestling was to people in the Southern United States who had watched the style of the territories before Vince's national expansion.
It was even worse for Joint Promotions after they lost TV, with them failing to pack out buildings between 1988 and Big Daddy having to retire after a heart attack in late 1993. They had tried so much to build the promotion around him and him alone, that their next move was to sign Davey Boy Smith in 1994 when he was between jobs. Which lasted about six months before he was picked up by the WWF again, and Joint Promotions ultimately shut down in 1995.
Johnny Saint meanwhile was still drawing crowds in All Star Wrestling, both at live events against the likes of Mark Rocco while they were still on TV. But even afterwards he would still draw in an audience as the top billing by contesting the light heavyweight championship against the likes of Steve Grey, Fit Finlay, or Dave Taylor. Or tagging in the main event against the likes of Kendo Nagasaki.
I don’t know if CIMA should be in or not but if you haven’t seen his performance in the 2000 Super J Cup, you’ve got to. It’s a high water mark for Japanese wrestling (in my humble opinion.)
The divide in professional wrestling between something that a person can watch and the horrible pseudochoreographed southern California Indy wannabe gymnastics of the Bucks grows more every day.
Someone ultimo dragon trained almost got in, but is ultimo in?
And John Tolos isn't in the Observer Hall of Fame. That is shameful.
No shame. It doesn’t matter . Increasingly
I saw Cima wrestle at the Dragon Gate Shows that Dragon Gate ran in Philadelphia in 2009 and 2010. Jon Moxley, Pak, Brodie Lee were among the Wrestlers who worked those shows for Dragon Gate.
Speaking of Hall of Famers, CM Punk and Paul Heyman returned tonight.
CM Punk will never in Uncle Daves "Wrestling Observer Hall Of Fame" cause it'll upset his daddies *The Counterfeit Bucks*
Also if you listen closely at Uncle Dave when talking about his daddies, you can hear the *hawk tuahs* he's giving them.
If CM Punk never got in WWE and had the career he had, Tyler Black, Bryan Danielson, El Generico and Kevin Steen would be still be wrestling in bingo halls.
I always felt like Punk's signing was the butterfly effect in wrestling, he was patient zero for indie guys after the fall of WCW and ECW.
@@athanaskozhuharov9700 It was the fall of the territories that caused Indy wrestling to happen. Bunch of promotions without either the knowledge or the money to do anything seriously, same with the wrestlers. Neither WCW nor WWE were going to find as many people who knew what they were doing and had to start making their own.
Shingo Takagi was also trained by Ultimo Dragon and we saw him wrestle at The Dragon Gate Shows in Philadelphia. We'vve also seen him work for AEW, New Japan Pro Wrestling and other Professional Wrestling Promotions.
Since I watched Smokey mountain episodes I will never forget Paul orndorff asking that kid his favorite wrestler , “WHITE LIGHTNIN’!”
And tears his poster hahaha
Youngblood & Steamboat was my first followed angle growing up. Saw Snuka and Steamboat go at it in the Cincinnati Gardens with Ricky trying to get revenge for Jay getting injured by Snuka
That Costco goof will probably get in next year.
His eyebrows are better than yours
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I apologize, but any pro wrestling Hall of Fame that includes the Young Bucks but not Becky Lynch or Randy Orton has zero credibility in my opinion.
Remember Meltzer has this irrational hatred for the junkyard dog calling him the junkfood dog
Hardly irrational. Even Jim will admit he was painful to watch after a point.
The Observer HOF makes the Electoral College seem sensible.
😂😂😂
The Electoral College makes sense if you have above a 3rd grade education.
I really never read nor saw the Observer. It wasn’t on the rack next to the Greensheet at the laundromat growing up as a kid or nowadays either.
is there a ceremony for these awards? or are they "in name only"?
Slick better be in this hall of fame 💪🏻
The rules on Meltzer's star ratings are as clear as the rules off a professional wrestling match. Befitting
It's time again for The Aluminum Hat Awards.
That means it won't be long until this year's Chris Jericho's Christmas Meltdown.
Uhm I’m lost why won’t Big Daddy be in the HOF?
Not a real HOF
If the Bucks were really successful in ROH, we wouldn't have AEW right now because there would have been no need - ROH would have become huge if the Bucks, Omega, etc were really as good as guys like Dave keep pushing. The fact that AEW shows can't crack a million viewers shows that they are not popular or successful so this has nothing to do with their work and is simply so they can now go on AEW tv and call themselves a HOF team. We laugh at the joke that the wwe HOF has turned into but having the Bucks in when the Bulldogs, who really did change tag team wrestling, or the Steiner are not makes this HOF a complete sham.
Gorilla Monsoon is my favorite announcer of all time.Him and jessie together were gold
The steiners aren't in their HOF. That's absolutely insane.
Meltzer should made a discription : Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame - The Only Time Of The Year When WON Won't Stand For The Winner.
Gotta say with the amount of time spent talking about Davey Boy Meltz, mama Cornette was clairvoyant when she chose Jim's middle name
Paul Orndorff, the second biggest drawing heel in WWF history should’ve been in decades ago.
I think you cannot count on modern voters to have enough awareness of historical figures from the distant past to vote them into any Hall of Fame. After a certain point, you just have to put them in if you want them to be in. I have been a wrestling fan for over 30 years, and I have never heard of a couple of people that Father Jim and Brian discussed in this clip. I think that is the case with a lot of the voters as well. That is why the more recent wrestlers get many more votes than the historical figures, even if the historical figures had much greater accomplishments in the business. Jim and Brian are essentially wrestling encyclopedias. They can recite dates, times, and people off the top of their head that I could never hope to remember. Most people aren't that knowledgeable.
tried 10 minutes of this but it was far too hard to pretend to be interested in this horrid concept of a HOF😂
READY FOR THIS😂😂