Video is perfect m8 I couldn't understand what I was doing wrong with the washer and clip in clutch basket fixed my problem thanks for you're video much appreciated
glad you learned the first lesson of a mechanic: if you find something broken before you replace it you neec to know why it broke. the origin of the problem. even if it works the first time it would break soon.
my 140 cc stomp currently clicks and clacks when driving in any gear and is a very rough and rocks the bike too much when trying to ride, feels like its clutch slipping but it feels worse and my chain keeps flying off soon as soon as I full throttle.
Man I hope mine isn’t cracked. Was riding a single track real fast and on a right corner at high speed I caught my kickstarter on a big root and took me down. Now the kick started engages low and is missing the top catch. Sometimes it slips a few times around until it catches a good spot. I’m guessing it’s just a few teeth torn up on one side. But I’m in the same boat. I’m on the fence of either doing it myself, dropping it off with the power sports dealer near me, or ordering a Lifan 140cc. What do you guys think? Parts are about 65.00. Bringing it to the shop I’m guessing 150-200 parts and labor Or new engine 140cc 500.00. What would all of you do?
The kick start shaft on mine has also got wear on it and on the other 2 cogs. But my kick start shaft has palay on it as I can move it slightly left to right and up and down is this normal
Hello, As I remember mine also had slight play. The shaft only really slides into a little spot on the end on the inside of the cases so it’s nothing super tight holding it in place. So it should have a little bit of play when the clutch cover is off but when the clutch cover is on you should not have any play
Actually for mine in on a trade. I know you can find them on like eBay. Maybe tbolt usa (if you find it there use promo Dragomir for 10% off) Or here’s a link on eBay www.ebay.com/itm/202762638853
@@slavsquad I really appreciate it man, I've been trying to figure it out but I just didn't want to start taking shit apart without knowing what I was doing. And I'm going to tell you every time that thing slips and you bust your shin it's not fun....lol
I've just bought a demon 110 pit bike and I think I've got this problem with the gears... It kicks ok odd time but then it's really stiff other times and doesn't want to go down... Luckily it starts first kick when it does kick properly. Do you know what will happen if I just leave it and continue to ride it like this? As long as it doesn't make anything else worse I don't see a problem if it starts first kick. Also it doesn't do it if I pull the clutch in, it goes down normal so would that still mean it's these cogs? Thanks
Could be a chipped gear which could be a problem down the road if there’s a metal piece bouncing around in the engine. I’d take the clutch cover off and do at least an inspection before it got to bad. In the past I’d just leave it tell it became a bigger issue but now i try to fix stuff before they get to expensive.
@@slavsquad yeah I know what you mean, better safe than sorry. I've just changed the oil so will go get the bike on its side and go take the cover off now. Hopefully it is just the cogs as they're fairly cheap. Some are on eBay for £20 👍🏻 appreciate the reply mate. Cheers
@@slavsquad I've noticed it's all good when I take the clutch off. Soon as I put the clutch back on its stiff to do the kickstart n doesn't turn the motor over sometimes :/ any ideas?
@@gixxer7907 did you visually inspect all the gears? The gear on the clutch basket. And all others? Make sure clutch basket goes in all the way and you have both washer and lock washer after basket. If all checks out it could be internal. Would have to split the cases for that. If that’s the case clean everything and make sure nothings inside the engine that can harm it and send it 🤷🏼♀️ probably what I’d have done. Even if it’s not the correct thing to do lol then when ready to do a bottom end rebuild I’d tackle that starter issue
hey so i’m trying to change my clutch out and i can’t get my oil slinger off. i see how you just used a drill for it but when i tried it stripped one of my bolts. any advice ?
When you use a drill you ha e to make sure the drill bit is a perfect size and not small otherwise you will strip it. Either get a bigger drill bit or get one of those screw drivers you hammer on top to break bolts free. Not sure what it’s called.
@@pv2443 you can use any assembly line for the bearings. For the case half’s I use Yamaha case bond if anything similar if there isn’t a gasket already. I believe most pit bikes have gaskets. Bigger bikes like the 450 don’t. Use regular 4 stroke oil
Quick question. Torn the bottom end apart on my bike, and once going back together I noticed I had 3 snap rings. There was the one on the kick starter and the other one that goes on the idle gear (I believe its called) The one that sits infront of the detent arm. Is there a reason for 3 snap rings? My motor is a Piranha 140.
Hi Will, I don’t believe there is an actual torque spec for the pit bikes. I just tighten it as much as I can but not a crazy amount. If I’d put a number to it I’d say roughly 45ft lbs for the main clutch Nut that requires the special tool or how I did it with a flathead and a hammer. Lmk if I answered your question
Hello The kick start problem is open it up snd check the gears like I did in this video. I have another video you can check out where I split the cases and replace the whole kickstart shaft. As for the clutch you have to open the clutch cover and make sure on the inside of the cover that the spring mechanism is working properly and that your clutch is in good shape. What kind of engine are you working on?
@@slavsquad but I will tell you what happened. Some day it started shaking and turned off by itself, next clutch stopped working (slips). Dad opened clutchcover and there was missing piece from the cover, no problem, we bought a new one but it still didn't work. Now it's in the garage with no oil in it. What happened in the engine?
@@slavsquad but the main thing is that we would get working clutch, we can always try downhillstart. +my bike have good pressure, but if you kick too hard it will not even take the kickstart and slips
@@artturihiljanen2038 if your main concern is the clutch then I would just take the clutch cover off and make sure that the spring mechanism is working. Follow where the clutch cable connects on the clutch plate and play with that on the outside and the inside of the clutch cover. If that’s all working properly then you can think about replacing the clutch.
I've rebuilt these engines every single day for 2 yrs straight so I know my way around these engines with my eyes closed lol gutted I can't share pictures on TH-cam as I have loads from the re-builds I've done
@@slavsquad I wasn't trying to show off or anything, you will be just as good before you know it my friend. I split with my wife and these little engines were a sort of life line, my brother would bring bikes to me and id started just like your self. If I can ever help in any way just send me a message and id be more than glad to give you detailed advice.
@@blownwest1117 No worries it didn’t come off that way. I’m sorry to hear about the split but glad you had a way to get your mind off it without going to alcohol! If i need any help I’d definitely be sending you a message! Thank you
@@slavsquad that's ok thank you and yeah it was a massive help with my mind and gave me something to concentrate on instead of thinking about my split. But they are good when you get into doing them and you take something that's gone and rebuilt with your own hands gives you that feeling. Take care my friend and if I could ever help you out don't hesitate to ask.
@@slavsquad I ended up smacking it good and it loosened up. However I noticed a crack inside. Bike ran fine. Maybe needed carb adjusted. Reason I took it apart was when clutch was engaged it would make a knocking noise. Drained oil and there was chunks of Kicker gear ⚙ and the Gear that's behind the clutch those were chewed up. If you've got a email or # I can send pictures tell me what you'd think
Depends how bad the damage is. If it’s just the gears then like 30-40$? If you have the split the case and change it then another 80-100$. That’s if you can do it all yourself
It’s called a “idler gear set” Also a “kicker gear set” Tbolt USA seems to have just the one gear but not the whole set. eBay might have the set if you look but most likely from China
If you watch to the end I actually explain that and how this video was part one. We replaced the case, kick start spring, and gears. Been running strong since
I have new apollo yx140 bike only 2 hour on meter. The exhaust heat shield bolts already broke off. Once i got carb adjusted from way rich to somewere decent running the clutch started to slip so that when i put it on gear bike will start to creep clutch in. If it already has worn gears i can say this is worst quality motor on china made bikes.
Sorry i wish i could but my Russian is terrible lol tell me which part you want more clarity on and i can try to explain and you can maybe translate with google translate if that helps any
Video is perfect m8 I couldn't understand what I was doing wrong with the washer and clip in clutch basket fixed my problem thanks for you're video much appreciated
glad you learned the first lesson of a mechanic: if you find something broken before you replace it you neec to know why it broke. the origin of the problem. even if it works the first time it would break soon.
What is the part u had to remove right before the clutch? I stripped those Phillip head screws
my 140 cc stomp currently clicks and clacks when driving in any gear and is a very rough and rocks the bike too much when trying to ride, feels like its clutch slipping but it feels worse and my chain keeps flying off soon as soon as I full throttle.
Do you know where to get a primary drive rod from for a ssr 170tx.
This video saved me I changed my clutch and couldn’t figure out why it was acting like it was in gear I put them washers in the wrong way round
, where did you order this gear set? Your videos help me out so much
Man I hope mine isn’t cracked. Was riding a single track real fast and on a right corner at high speed I caught my kickstarter on a big root and took me down. Now the kick started engages low and is missing the top catch. Sometimes it slips a few times around until it catches a good spot. I’m guessing it’s just a few teeth torn up on one side. But I’m in the same boat. I’m on the fence of either doing it myself, dropping it off with the power sports dealer near me, or ordering a Lifan 140cc. What do you guys think? Parts are about 65.00.
Bringing it to the shop I’m guessing 150-200 parts and labor
Or new engine 140cc 500.00. What would all of you do?
The kick start shaft on mine has also got wear on it and on the other 2 cogs. But my kick start shaft has palay on it as I can move it slightly left to right and up and down is this normal
Hello, As I remember mine also had slight play. The shaft only really slides into a little spot on the end on the inside of the cases so it’s nothing super tight holding it in place. So it should have a little bit of play when the clutch cover is off but when the clutch cover is on you should not have any play
Great thank you
where did you find the gears to replace the broken ones with? ive been looking everywhere and cant find them.
I believe it was from tboltusa.com
hey guys i got a 150cc with the same issue, where can i get parts from
From where did you buy your Zongshen 190 motor? Thanks
Actually for mine in on a trade. I know you can find them on like eBay. Maybe tbolt usa (if you find it there use promo Dragomir for 10% off)
Or here’s a link on eBay www.ebay.com/itm/202762638853
@@slavsquad great, thank you!
My thumpstar 140 is doing the same thing. Can you please tell me where you ordered the parts kit. Thanks for your help
Hello, I ordered from tboltusa.com
Ok thanks bro, i order alot of stuff from them, do you know what I should ask for? Or do you have a item number
@@anonymoushighguy9904 The one I ordered is part number TRC-8116
Called a Kicker Gear Set
Includes small gear
Kicker gear
And idler gear
@@slavsquad I really appreciate it man, I've been trying to figure it out but I just didn't want to start taking shit apart without knowing what I was doing. And I'm going to tell you every time that thing slips and you bust your shin it's not fun....lol
@@anonymoushighguy9904 My pleasure! And no it’s definitely not fun haha
I've just bought a demon 110 pit bike and I think I've got this problem with the gears... It kicks ok odd time but then it's really stiff other times and doesn't want to go down... Luckily it starts first kick when it does kick properly. Do you know what will happen if I just leave it and continue to ride it like this? As long as it doesn't make anything else worse I don't see a problem if it starts first kick. Also it doesn't do it if I pull the clutch in, it goes down normal so would that still mean it's these cogs? Thanks
Could be a chipped gear which could be a problem down the road if there’s a metal piece bouncing around in the engine. I’d take the clutch cover off and do at least an inspection before it got to bad. In the past I’d just leave it tell it became a bigger issue but now i try to fix stuff before they get to expensive.
@@slavsquad yeah I know what you mean, better safe than sorry. I've just changed the oil so will go get the bike on its side and go take the cover off now. Hopefully it is just the cogs as they're fairly cheap. Some are on eBay for £20 👍🏻 appreciate the reply mate. Cheers
@@gixxer7907 yeah good luck! My pleasure
@@slavsquad I've noticed it's all good when I take the clutch off. Soon as I put the clutch back on its stiff to do the kickstart n doesn't turn the motor over sometimes :/ any ideas?
@@gixxer7907 did you visually inspect all the gears? The gear on the clutch basket. And all others? Make sure clutch basket goes in all the way and you have both washer and lock washer after basket. If all checks out it could be internal. Would have to split the cases for that. If that’s the case clean everything and make sure nothings inside the engine that can harm it and send it 🤷🏼♀️ probably what I’d have done. Even if it’s not the correct thing to do lol then when ready to do a bottom end rebuild I’d tackle that starter issue
hey so i’m trying to change my clutch out and i can’t get my oil slinger off. i see how you just used a drill for it but when i tried it stripped one of my bolts. any advice ?
When you use a drill you ha e to make sure the drill bit is a perfect size and not small otherwise you will strip it. Either get a bigger drill bit or get one of those screw drivers you hammer on top to break bolts free. Not sure what it’s called.
What special tools do I need?
Castle nut socket or if your like me you can use a flathead screwdriver and a hammer. Then you’ll need some snap ring pliers. I believe that’s all
@@slavsquad what oil/ lube should I put on the gaskets when I put it back together? And what do I use on the bottom end for the bearings and gears?
@@pv2443 you can use any assembly line for the bearings. For the case half’s I use Yamaha case bond if anything similar if there isn’t a gasket already. I believe most pit bikes have gaskets. Bigger bikes like the 450 don’t.
Use regular 4 stroke oil
Wassup what was the exact name of the cog that was chewed up?
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I bought the whole set and it’s called a kicker gear set or idler gear set
I’m not sure individual name for it
Quick question. Torn the bottom end apart on my bike, and once going back together I noticed I had 3 snap rings. There was the one on the kick starter and the other one that goes on the idle gear (I believe its called) The one that sits infront of the detent arm. Is there a reason for 3 snap rings? My motor is a Piranha 140.
Were did you get the gears?
I bought the gear set off tboltusa.com/store/
I also found a set on eBay but from China so shipping would take almost a month
where did u get the kit from ? please i need it asap, any hell would be much appreciate
We bought it from tbolt usa
Those clutch locking rings just hit them from below with a flat head and they come off whole
This is caused by improper kicking I believe guys
How tight did you make the bolts on the clutch. Is there a general rule for the tightness?
Hi Will, I don’t believe there is an actual torque spec for the pit bikes. I just tighten it as much as I can but not a crazy amount. If I’d put a number to it I’d say roughly 45ft lbs for the main clutch Nut that requires the special tool or how I did it with a flathead and a hammer. Lmk if I answered your question
Do you know what to do, my pit bikes kickstart slips and clutch won't release
Hello
The kick start problem is open it up snd check the gears like I did in this video. I have another video you can check out where I split the cases and replace the whole kickstart shaft.
As for the clutch you have to open the clutch cover and make sure on the inside of the cover that the spring mechanism is working properly and that your clutch is in good shape. What kind of engine are you working on?
@@slavsquad 125cc yx engine, clutch is on the top
@@slavsquad but I will tell you what happened. Some day it started shaking and turned off by itself, next clutch stopped working (slips). Dad opened clutchcover and there was missing piece from the cover, no problem, we bought a new one but it still didn't work. Now it's in the garage with no oil in it. What happened in the engine?
@@slavsquad but the main thing is that we would get working clutch, we can always try downhillstart. +my bike have good pressure, but if you kick too hard it will not even take the kickstart and slips
@@artturihiljanen2038 if your main concern is the clutch then I would just take the clutch cover off and make sure that the spring mechanism is working. Follow where the clutch cable connects on the clutch plate and play with that on the outside and the inside of the clutch cover. If that’s all working properly then you can think about replacing the clutch.
I've rebuilt these engines every single day for 2 yrs straight so I know my way around these engines with my eyes closed lol gutted I can't share pictures on TH-cam as I have loads from the re-builds I've done
Thats awesome! im not on your level yet lol
@@slavsquad I wasn't trying to show off or anything, you will be just as good before you know it my friend. I split with my wife and these little engines were a sort of life line, my brother would bring bikes to me and id started just like your self. If I can ever help in any way just send me a message and id be more than glad to give you detailed advice.
@@blownwest1117 No worries it didn’t come off that way. I’m sorry to hear about the split but glad you had a way to get your mind off it without going to alcohol!
If i need any help I’d definitely be sending you a message! Thank you
@@slavsquad that's ok thank you and yeah it was a massive help with my mind and gave me something to concentrate on instead of thinking about my split. But they are good when you get into doing them and you take something that's gone and rebuilt with your own hands gives you that feeling. Take care my friend and if I could ever help you out don't hesitate to ask.
@@blownwest1117 agree 100% it’s an awesome feeling
And will do
Thank you
Great video besides the volume drop and music increases 🤔
Same thing going on with my g2 moto yx160
That’s no fun! Hope it’s not as bad as mine with the case cracked
I can't get the bolt off the center of the clutch
You’ll have to buy a special clutch bolt socket tool for that if you can’t do it the way I did. Sometimes it’s on there pretty tight
@@slavsquad I ended up smacking it good and it loosened up. However I noticed a crack inside. Bike ran fine. Maybe needed carb adjusted. Reason I took it apart was when clutch was engaged it would make a knocking noise. Drained oil and there was chunks of Kicker gear ⚙ and the Gear that's behind the clutch those were chewed up.
If you've got a email or # I can send pictures tell me what you'd think
@@rawdeal223 hmm that doesn't sound to good. is the crack on the clutch or the case? slavicdrago@live.com
@@slavsquad I emailed you bro
How much would that cost to fix?
Depends how bad the damage is. If it’s just the gears then like 30-40$?
If you have the split the case and change it then another 80-100$.
That’s if you can do it all yourself
What’s the name of the kit?
It’s called a “kicker gear set”
Ordered from Tboltusa
Good vid bro 😎 🔧
Thank you!
How do you order from China?
Look on eBay and it should show if it’s from China or not
would you happen to know what the kit was called?
It’s called a “idler gear set”
Also a “kicker gear set”
Tbolt USA seems to have just the one gear but not the whole set. eBay might have the set if you look but most likely from China
WHY IS THE MUSIC SO LOUD!!
That’s a good question lol
Was the beginning of my TH-cam journey lol
Why put a new gear set on when the case is broken your gonna end up with the same problem when you start it
If you watch to the end I actually explain that and how this video was part one. We replaced the case, kick start spring, and gears. Been running strong since
Thanks
At that point just replace the engine with a new 140 I found them for around 2-3 shipped
@@That150F where do you get them for that cheap? Everywhere I look is like 500$
thats a 140cc the clutch that that has does not come with 125 motors
Had to check out. The music was too awful and too loud. Too bad cause I wanted to see what you had to say. :(
Sorry! this was made when I used to use music. I don’t anymore because it’s kinda annoying
Anyone else's bike staped the crank shaft on the one above the kickstart shaft
🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I have new apollo yx140 bike only 2 hour on meter. The exhaust heat shield bolts already broke off. Once i got carb adjusted from way rich to somewere decent running the clutch started to slip so that when i put it on gear bike will start to creep clutch in. If it already has worn gears i can say this is worst quality motor on china made bikes.
Nice video. But kill the music
The music common
Здравствуйте, можете тоже самое рассказать по русски? Очень интересно, но ничего не понятно.
Sorry i wish i could but my Russian is terrible lol tell me which part you want more clarity on and i can try to explain and you can maybe translate with google translate if that helps any
@@slavsquad Спасибо за ответ. Я включил субтитры и сделал перевод на русский. Теперь все стало понятно :-)
@@ИльяБелоногов-х6э Great! Glad you got it figured out:)
Just buy a new motor
That’s a good option to lol but if you know how to fix it then why throw away a good engine
Please get rid of the music 😢
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