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Totally bogus guys, they literally connected it back to white man’s story. As per white man’s story those people in Middle East came from caucuses. Their timelines also match up. Lot more respect to those creators who publish silly shorts & tiktoks.
@@RasimillionTamil/Tamizh like every other language in existence, has evolved and will continue evolving with every generation. No language is immune to evolution. A language can evolve slowly or fast depending on several factors but it has to evolve. Tamil has evolved from proto-dravidian just like the indo european languages have evolved from proto-indoeuropean and chinese langauges from proto-sinotibetian.
@@Rasimilliondravidians migrated from one part of the african continent around 6000 to 8000 bce. if tamil originated in southern part of indian subcontinent then what was the language they used to speak when they migrated to south india from africa? a language can't be formed on its own out of nowhere without from the previous language. so if you're right then dravidians might have stopped speaking their previous language and directly made a new language (tamil) out of nowhere and labeled it as pure language? how ironic?
I am Indonesian, but the test results show that my DNA comes from China, India, and Australasia. So, not only did we import the 3 major religions, sanskrit alphabets, rice, weaving technology, temple architecture, cooking spices, etc. from India, but also our phenotypes and genotypes were also partially inherited from India. Thank you for everything :))
I think you meant Tamil. Most east Asian languages are inspired from Tamil script and not Sanskrit. Sanskrit has more ties with Arabic and some European languages but not south east Asian languages.
@@zachbercu3230 Of course there is Tamil influence in Indonesia, and some believe that the influence of Tamil culture is more dominant. One of the arguments is because there is a story about the Tamil version of the Rama-Shinta story matched with Indonesian version. Even in the earliest Indian epic, the Ramayana, Sugriva, the head of Rama's army, is recorded as sending his men to Yawadvipa, the island of Java, to look for Sita. ha ha ha... Also according to the ancient Tamil manuscript Manimekalai, Java had a kingdom with a capital called Nagapuram. After all, South Indian culture spread widely since the Pallava dynasty from South India in the 4th century. But there are also many records that show that merchants from Gujarat came to Indonesia to trade and spread Islam here, so that in the end our nation experienced mass apostasy for the third time by Indians. Aha ha ha...
I am South Indian (75% Tamil - 25% Telugu) and I already know that I'm a Dravidian for a long time. Albeit born, raised and living 4 generations away from the Indian sub-continent, I believe I could still share my opinion. I have read of the Aryan invasions (I did believe it until I have a clearer understanding watching this upload) but I have in the last 8-9 years always acknowledge the FACT we Tamil people were originally from Africa. The prejudice is real!! ... even if one is raised outside India but it's not all black and white as you think, there are so many shades in between. For those ultra orthodox Hindus it's more about caste system and religion. .. But then,, even if you are from the same caste.. the last lingering issue would be - skin color! 90% of my society (in the country I live in now) don't believe in that anymore. Bad news.. the same 90% possibly do NOT KNOW much about DNAs, real time history and NOT we originally are Africans. I'm lighter colored and have relatives like me marrying either ultra light skin color and also absolute darkish skin color from different castes.. Why? Because we have learnt that a bird of feathers flock together only intellectually but NOT from understanding of our African black history last 70k years, When I personally highlight this to my orthodox family that still believe "" IT IS US WHO BROUGHT LANGUAGE, CIVILIZATION etc.. TO OUTSIDE NATIONS!! They frown with the "WHY?!1? BECAUSE THE WHITE MAN SAID SO??? "" It is in my own opinion again that one's religion itself plays the whole brainwash... " my way or highway..." doesn't matter that what creed, religion,, skin ,, nationality..civilization..
Having said, most Indians I know today don't really care about skin color these days. But if you are going to say things like .. ' HELOOWWW!! like we all were once from the African continent 70k years go and we moved here and fact that we are originally hunter gathering black people from Africa ....etc..etc... Damn!! definitely my people are NOT ready for it.
@@genkideguire bro india is part of America, Africa and Australia, indian subcontinent is not whole land it's a part of many land, india has rich cultural and language like Tamil, even trading but that's one of part, Evan they have oldest Archeological proof before 75000 years ago But all are migrants from Africa not only whole world people start their migrants roots from Africa., And i am not from Africa, i am also from india, we should talk about truth., Thank you
I am from Kerala and I did a 23andMe DNA test. It says the maternal DNA from my mother is haplogroup L and 65000 years the ancient people left the horn of Africa and entered the area of current day Yemen. It later became M2 and the ancients entered northern part of India 40000 years ago. From there, they traveled along the coast and reached South India. The paternal DNA from my father is haplogroup A. 76000 years ago they entered the area of current day Iran. That became haplogroup L-M20 and they entered the northern part of India 48000 years ago.
Technically, North Indians and South Indians share the same ancient hunter-gatherer ancestry from mother side, with about 80% of our DNA in common and only a 20% difference due to steppe ancestry, though the percentage of steppe ancestry can vary among different castes. we are brothers.
@@MyCosmicQuest They are the pure hunter gatherers who left Africa 65,000 years ago & settle in Asia. They migrated all the way to Sri Lanka. They were in Sri Lanka by 50,000 years ago. The oldest human remains found in Sri Lanka is 48,000 years old, which is called Balangoda Man as the remains found in a cave Balangoda area. The Sri Lankan aboriginal people called "Vedda people" still live in Sri Lankan jungles, are the descendens from those who came here 50,000 years ago. The aboriginals live in North Sentinel islands (Andaman Islands) are also the same people.
@@vivekthekk So it is better to get to know the reality Because it was Invasion, not immigration Because they replaced both their language and their religion We see this from the mistreatment of the lower castes by the upper castes and the denigration of blacks by the Rig Veda(that writed by aryans). When the other indo european steppe herders entered western Europe, they did not leave a single male farmer alive and Aryans are their cousins and barbarism is in their blood!!! they entered India without their female population As you know, when a population goes somewhere without its female population (like the Mongols), it means that they go for war or looting. How is it possible for them to enter India without their famale population and not have a conflict with the native people over their women? Do you think that the Aryans entered India and the people of the Indus Valley welcomed them with flowers and sweets? NO Genetics shows that the Aryans killed about 70% or more of the indigenous people of the Indus Valley and raped their women this is normal for bronz age even mongols destroyed central asia and its Iranic population killed 15 million people with high amount of aryan genetic and replaced them with turco_mongols Only 5% of Tajiks survived and fled to the mountains history maybe be sad but anyone can"t run away from it.......
@@user_18789 Yes Tajikistan - very fascinating indeed!! They did have chariots though and the males spread into the females. So while they didn't have domination by numbers they did dominate in terms of technology and breeding. I think the endogamous caste system by 100 A.D. is more a product of literacy having spread since literacy is left-brain dominant as ideology that gets passed on generation to generation. This is known as religion of course.
@@user_18789 As far as i know on this, the aryans immigrated in multiple batches, lived with local population, slowly understood the way to survive in Indian land. And their survival strategy is really cunning. Get the support of the power from king. develop and spread the idealogy of Varnas, Dont work, dont do farming, dont trade via sea (as it is even dangerous), basically dont risk life for anything and at the same time, get everything by making others work for them. Even at the time of war defeats, they made a strategy that they cannot be killed. So, all the track of Aryans shows no blood dropping, apply a cruel mind for survival. And to the surprise their idealogy is still in practise for a successfull 2000+ years. They used religion as a big tool. injected self biased ideas into the religion which works in 21st century as well. for ex:only Bhramins can be temple priest, wedding happens with their approvals, even PM of a country fall on their foot. etc etc.
I'm from Punjab and my ancestry DNA analysis says 78% Central Asia-South, 19% North India and 3% South India. The 3% South India is quite strong as I love Dosa and Rajnikant movies. :)
Jats were Central Asians or Anatolians who settled in india during indo Greek wars or hunnic period So I guess you're a Jatt that's why you have central asian dna
They are based on recent genetics. Originally my results showed 3% Persian DNA and 47% North indian (I am half indian). Now it has been changed to 10% South Indian and 40% North Indian. So you can see the ancient Iranian lineage is now considered a founder effect and has been changed to being indian DNA in my current results.
@@urbanmonkNH44 we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis.
@@urbanmonkNH44 and Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@CHRS-ri5mfBut DNA evidences says otherwise. AASI is the original inhabitants. They mixed with people who came from Zagros mountains to create IVC. IVC started its decline by 1900 BC, and the Aryans or the Steppe Hearders arrived in 1800 BC. The Sinnouli artifacts shows similarities with both late Harappan (IVC) and Vedic culture. It may be better to separate the IVC and the Ganga-Jamuna culture and Sinouli is part of the second.
Gentlemen, the root gene is Harrapan - All Indians were descents of Africa/Harappa. Please do not bring the same old story created by Europeans. The old Greek stories were based on Bharat glory. I recently found that Telugu is derived from Prakri and has Brahmi script in 3rd century BCE. However, our own people put off the archeological evidences from Bhattiprolu, inscriptions on temple walls. Some bad Pallavans destroyed Telugu culture. The great Sulabha sutra composer in 800 BCE, Apastambha was supposed to be from Godavari area of Andhra. Please do not bring north & south difference. This divide and rule is British!
Your perspective highlights the deep historical connections and cultural heritage of the Indian subcontinent, particularly emphasizing the significance of the Harappan civilization and the Telugu language. --- The root gene of Indian civilization can be traced back to the Harappan civilization, with a significant lineage linking all Indians to ancient migrations from Africa. This narrative challenges the simplistic historical accounts often propagated by European scholars. The grandeur of Bharat (India) is reflected in ancient Greek writings, which were deeply influenced by the rich culture and achievements of the Indian subcontinent. Telugu, a prominent Dravidian language, is believed to have evolved from Prakrit, with historical roots that include inscriptions and literary evidence dating back to the 3rd century BCE, particularly the Brahmi script seen in archeological finds at Bhattiprolu. This site is crucial for understanding the early development of Telugu and its literary traditions. Unfortunately, much of this archaeological evidence has been overlooked or dismissed by contemporary scholars. The destruction of Telugu cultural heritage can be attributed to various historical forces, including the Pallava dynasty, which, while contributing to the region's architectural and artistic developments, also led to the dilution of local traditions. The Sulabha Sutra, attributed to the renowned scholar Apastambha, who is believed to have hailed from the Godavari region of Andhra Pradesh around 800 BCE, is a testament to the intellectual richness of the time. His contributions to philosophy and grammar highlight the advanced state of Telugu culture during this period.
@@Apastambha you don’t need to mention the African roots all Homo sapiens are from Africa it’s the other identity the sarasvati river valley identity which needs to be asserted
@MrAmhara Dravidians did move from Africa. But they kept on building colonies throughout the coast of the middle-east until they reached India. But it took them thousand years to migrate. But in the meantime, they kept on mixing through each colony they created. Hence, why the Dravidians dont completely share African DNA. They were mixing a lot throughout their journey.
India has been attacked by many outside armies and conquered, but over time, the conquerors were themselves overwhelmed by india's knowledge and way of life. In the end, the agressors were conquered intellectually. That is why india has survived
Whoever came here accepted india as their own country except muslims. How much ever they live here in harmony, they always think arab and pakistan as their own country
What about the domination of modern India by the step herder (Brahman) DNA and their exploitation of the hunter gatherers even today in the form of RSS, BJP? Wake up! Islam is not the enemy, the CAST system is the biggest enemy of India! No wonder BJP is weak in the south
The same has happened to Iran. I don't think any region has been attacked as many times as Iran. But, eventually, all those invaders became Persianized!
Lolz. When outsiders come they bring their own culture knowledge wisdom and traditions. So the land becomes a melting pot of different cultures and races. Like many so called Indian foods are actually from Arab Iran Turkey and central Asia.
Sanskrit doesn't have its own script where as Tamil as its own script called damili. This video doesn't even mention about the archeological findings of Keezhadi civilization found near Madurai dates back to 2300 Years. Hence investigating the Indian History from the perspective of Tamil literature , Buddhist literature co-relating with archeological findings and Scientific papers are key to understand the facts about indigenous people and their original culture.
He was trying to explain the fundamentals. Speaking of that subject you spoke would be another discussion in itself. Maybe you can ask the content creator to ask the guy to do a topic on that discussion you mentioned.
What a joke...kindly publish who funded these research. Wonderful how people in India always remained hunter gatherers but migrants are innovative. One can concoct similar stories for Hindu migration theory as well
Archaeological evidence doesn't support the Aryan invasion theory, as no clear evidence of any military invasion or destruction has been found in the archaeological record of the period in question.
🤦 in case that all people would be african - the population in africa has also changed - & So the initial population that left africa are the ancesters of all three populations the study mentions make up the genetics of the people in the asian subcontinent.
For one, I don't believe Noah's Ark is anywhere near the Caucus mountains. If they journeyed from the East back to Babylon, then the Ark would have had to land on a high mountain range such as the Hindu Kush.
Kashmiri people , not all of them ,have DNA R1A1A which is DNA of Aryan descent. Kashmiri language , food , culture and dresses are similar to Ukrainian people , the birthplace of Aryan DNA 12,0000 years ago. 10,000 years ago these people started to move to warmer climate to vast plains of Tajikistan , Iran , and India .
Most indo european groups spread their genes by their men (and we all know what that means globally-not very consensual love making) Interestingly most indo european invasions were extremely brutal and genocidal to the point where new populations were pretty homogenus which makes me think that it was indeed an invasion but that the pre herder mix were EXTREMELY resilient
They equally ignored IIT Kharagpur research,rakhigari excavation and khambat submerged city. So they took facts distorted it and came with challnel like idea so they can proove that Southern indian and northern indians have different ancestries. + Bramhins are more aryan in every part.( Propaganda of bramhical patriarchy)
@@alphaff9939 Read 2022 calendar published by IIT Kharagpur. Rakhigari excavation report.Carbon dating of Bay of khambaat's submerged city. This is only tip of a giant ice burg.
Per the Bible, a man named Elam. The Caucasians (Pursians/Iranians) came into Iran and India. In the bible, there is a story about the Pursians and Meades. At the end of the day, no matter where you come from, you are an awesome people.
As an Indian I think you should not be blinded by Indian nationalism or pride. There is some truth to this. Definitely a mix of two civilizations and then a mix of more.
Brilliantly noted. Middle Eastern is a political construct to ignore the core African DNA in the region or African DNA origin. In this vein, the Middle Eastern migration is the African subsequent migration into all parts of India.
Basically it appears that Africa is only the place where humans first evolved - and spread throughout the world Middle eastern farmer concept is noted as separate from their African ancestor bcz the 60k years in between changed them with visible physical traits, occupation n other behaviours Same holds for Steppes
The oldest known Indo-European language is not from the Caucuses but from modern day. Turkey. The “Hittite“ language. Northern Indians even look like dark skinned White people. lol
Dear Sir..If the steppe herders brought vedas into india,why is it inexistent where they supposedly came from..?Zero trace of vedic culture in europe...
The came from the caucasus mountains. They wiped out the Black people of Europe. Their home is not Europe. You will have to go to thecaucasus mountains to find their archaeological digs.
He didn't say they brought vedas or sanskrit. They brought pre sanskrit and pre vedic thought. Be happy.. you can say India gave Vedas and Sanskrit to world.
If the Aryans were in much smaller number against the already well established MiddleEastern Pre-Farmers and Ancient Hunter Gatherers and just migrated in gradually, then they should have been integrated and assimilated in to those two cultures over time! But in reality, that didn't quite happen. They dominated over the then natives and imposed their language, cultures, and belief. Which kind of establishes the Aryan Invasion a fact that with their superior war machineries including the use of horses, tactics, and physical strength, they overpowered the pre-farmers, controlled them and imposed their own language, culture and religious belief. Over time, they also drove out many of these natives including the Ancient Hunter Gathers farther to the South! So, whether some people like it or not, it was an Aryan Invasion, not a Migration to this land!
When aryans arrived first with small numbers they did mix a lot with remaining IVC populations and native indians. Bt after many years I mean during the early stages of gupta period endogamy was started on the basis of aryan groups and anarya groups. These aryan groups where the one who are offsprings of the aryans mixed with the IVC. Those groups who did not have the mixing offsprings where made out of the chaturvarna system. And these things only happened in north india and gangetic valley after some centuries gradually spread to south india aswell.
Meanwhile 9500 years old dwarka underwater be like "sure, sanskrit came from outside", oldest settlements of indus valley civilization 9500 years old be like "yeah sanskrit is surely not from here", rigveda describing saraswati river at its peak about 8000 years ago, be like " yeah man sanskrit aren't from here", Ram setu dating back 7000 to 18400 years be like "of course sanskrit is from europe, king Dasharath was from France didn't you know?", if stupidity had a face I can see it in this video.
I see a lot of comments bashing the video, but I just wanna say great content yall. I'm in no position to say how well researched this is, but I really love the way you presented your ideas. Hope you keep making content like this. Subbed+1
I am confused. Before this video, I had the understanding of Aryans coming to India. Invasion is more likely, if someone else occupies your land. Migration if they occupy nearby land such that there is no conflict. But this video asserts that it is migration whilst providing proof that it is an invasion. They mentions that the steppe herders (aryans) came without women. Who travels without women other than for war?
Did Indians, Chinese, Italians, Irish people, Polish people, Mexican people, etc. invade America? Heck, why go so far? Did the Gujarati people invade Mumbai? Did the Shettys invade Mumbai? Did the Marwadi people invade Mumbai? A land that invites and welcomes people willingly isn't being invaded. It is being made stronger by the collective strength of the people who settle there and call it their own. You assume that the people of IVC were the "rightful" residents of the the land but how can you forget that they themselves were migrants at some point in time? - Shrikant
@@TheFutureIQThe original people of Indus Kush are the Nubian Kushites who are the Ancient Egyptians who ruled Indus kush for millions upon millions of years Kushites had a highly advanced technological civilization up until the 17th century when the Indo aryans came from the caucas mountains regions invaded annihilated ethnic cleansed the Indegenious Kushites Bantus the remaining Kushites are now called the Siddis who are marginalised and excluded based on the racist cast system brought to Kush renamed India by the Indo aryans renamed Indians modern day Indians Pakistanis Bangladeshi destroyed the Ancient Kushite One world empire In Niger South Africa Cameroon they still speak Tamil
Also he say's that in some areas, ALL the people had Indian FEMALE mtdna, and stepherder MALE dna, because the Stepherde males, "out competed for the Indian females". What a nice way to put it.
Why do Indian deny their forefathers.The Dravidian are and we’re with their cushite brothers in EastAfrica all the way to ancient Egypt.Dravidian story goes that they crossed big ocean to come to India.Cushite and Dravidian started the Cush Indus Valley as its original name is called.The Chaldeans or Cholchian were a branch of cushite.They were dark skin like Dravidian and EastAfricans like Somali and Ethiopian.The Aryans called themselves Arya and Warya and they were pure in religion.Their pure was not colour but they were religious.The only people today calling each other Arya and Warya are the Somali people of Somalia.
The original indigenous Indian are the dark melanin ones who are discriminated and marginalized and the white Indians are the hybrid ones mixed with Europeans.
@@outofturn331 nah there is a skin color related hierarchy. Only recently there might be some south indians being arrogant about being better educated but thats not to be taken seriously as really educated south indians would not discriminate.
Europeans???? Europe was non existance when steepes migrated to india, modern europeans are mix of steepe and native european hunter gatherer.They aren't steepe
@@binskee677 The skin colour related heierchy exist in every part of the world, even in europe. Northern Europeans discriminates southern ones. So don't blame india only
@@michaeljosephjackson2364I live in the USA. No matter what you say, people will typecast you. I am fairly light skinned, but many people refuse to accept me as Indian because they believe if you are Indian you must be dark skinned. So I am not surprised about your friend.
@@michaeljosephjackson2364it shows that India influenced many different countries and spread Vedic knowledge throughout. Yet is cannot be accepted by the Europeans
We British came to India and it changed us too. We have many words from Hindi. Curry is said to be our favourite dish. Fashions, craft work and so on. I would like to think we gave things of value to India. It is more of a democracy than China.
I am confused! So, who were Aryans, Dravidians? Did they exist before these migrations? Or were they born after these migrations? 'Aryan' means those who worship Light or Fire! This word is found in our ancient scriptures. Also what about the Vedic culture? Who brought it? Who were our great Rishis? When and where did they come from? Tons and tons of knowledge from our ancient scriptures were taken away by those travellers who came to "Sone ki Chidia" and took the knowledge abroad! Many questions are not clear!
The IVC was a indigenous,urban civilization with extensive international contact, trade and a sophisticated domestic manufacturing industry. The Iranian hunter gathers are part of the out-of- Africa population that stopped short on Iran. The rest continued on towards India and beyond. So, essentially the hunter gatherers are the same affected by local genetics. The ANI carries the Steppe ancestry. Post 1500bc
LIFE CAME OUT OF AFRICA. IT PROBABLY TOOK MILLIONS OF YEARS TO GO ROUND. BUT IT DID WENT ROUND. THAT FACT CANT BE RULED OUT no matter how you try to ignore it
Brilliant, thank you. I have peace at last. Ive been following this topic for 20 years...i got so fed up with arguments I stopped trying to understand who was right. Profound appreciations for such clarity. Great presentation, and editing of sooo much information.
@@RaviShankar-lz7fjsee tye reaserach papers of hapologroups in google search it and see the sample an average Tamil is very much different from a kuruvasnhi of north india cause .see the faces of north india and south india see theire faces are different and the north indians tend to be more shining and light in colour .
Calling the original peoples as hunter gathers insinuates they are primitive. There’s evidence that Tamil is one of the oldest languages, and civilizations in South India for much longer than people realize, and cave art in Maharashtra that is even older than any of this. It could be that the “Hunter Gatherers” founded civilization in India, and their wealth drew immigrants in constant flows from the Middle East.
@@sathishvijayan2160 Hunter gatherer isnt a ‘primitive’ term. Its just a way of life. That makes it no more or less primitive than agriculturists, lets say. Hunting and gathering food is the common way of living for almost every animal. There still are many tribes across the world which depend not on agriculture but on hunting, they have survived through just as many thousands of years as have the agriculturists, it is just as valid as any other mode of living. They have just as rich a culture and tradition. Hunting-gathering doesnt make them more or less of a developed human, thats just the pov of people who think of themselves as superior, living in a ‘developed’ world.
@Namse21 ok so your ancestors might be hunter gatherers,ours were exploring the origin of the universe and writing the Vedas but not hunting and gathering
@@AJJYTHEGREAT ok? great? you think thats a diss??? even the ‘writers of the vedas’ and the PIEs had ancestors that were hunting gathering based. The first human species were hunter gatherers and even our species was hunter gatherer for majority of its span here on earth. (homo sapiens evolved around 250k years ago and agriculture was invented 12k years ago, so yeah for 230-240k years, every human was hunter-gatherer.)
This video is a must watch for all ultra hindu nationalists , as well as all racist people who claim some unscientific bullshit that supports their world views. Thanks a lot for creating such videos. India is in severe need of scientific thought.
You can't argue with people blinded by their faith. These people have been brainwashed into thinking that their land, people and culture was directly created by god, and has been the same since the beginning of time. This video is simply a lie for them.
According to this man Brahmin s are having steppe DNA then why they were not survived in steppe. This man is sure shot leftist mindset and mixing all scientific studies for his agenda. I.e Nort Indian vs dravidian
Random question, why did the stepp herders travel without women? Like, if they wanted to migrate to another land and procreate there, why did they leave the women behind? Or more like, what exactly was their intention of migration?
Brahmin is a Varna/occupational group and the DNA of Brahmins of different regions differ significantly, e.g. the R1a (or Aryan gene) is highest in Northern Brahmins and it decreases considerably as we move down South India. In short, Brahmins aren't a homogenous group.
In general, the scripts and writing develop much later than spoken languages. Also most languages can be written in multiple scripts. For example you can write English in Devnagari and Hindi in Latin script.
I think the male dominance of steppe herders in the North and their overrepresentation in higher casts might also argue for a violent take-over, followed by intermixing, as discussed for the Anglo-Saxon immigration into England. What is your view?
Nice explanation of this complex issue, but I have a minor miffs with their details. 1. The terms ANI and ASI are largely outdated and rarely used today (except in India). David Reich, in his book "Who We Are and How We Got Here" (p. 197), acknowledged that their use was a sort of political compromise in 2008. The more appropriate terms are: a. AASI (Ancestral Ancient South Indians - although it should have been Ancestral Indians, as they were not limited to South India) b. Indus Periphery (a mix of East-Iran-HG-Farmers and AASI) c. Steppe Herders d. Austro-Asiatic (Munda) 2. The presentation also assumes that the Indus Valley people moved to North India first, and then later moved into South India. There is evidence of Indus Valley connections with the Southern Neolithic (3000 BCE) in the Deccan Plateau much earlier than their movement into the lower Gangetic plains after the demise of the IVC. 3. The presentation assumes that Dravidians and AASI are synonymous, which is far from settled. Based on recent genetic and linguistic evidence, it is more likely that Dravidian was one of the dominant languages of the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) and moved to South India along with pastroagriculturalism. We perhaps lost the pre-Dravidian languages of AASI people, as happened with the other hunter-gatherer languages around the world. 4. Most early Indologists were not particularly religious. The first significant proponent of the Caucasian origin for Indo-European languages was Johann Georg von Hahn, a German linguist and Orientalist. In his 1854 work "Albanesische Studien," Hahn proposed the Caucasus as the homeland of Indo-European languages. His research was scholarly and academic, based on linguistic, geographical, and historical evidence, rather than religious motivations. And with the latest research, his conjectures appear to be prophetic. 5. How did the Steppe population come to dominate language, genes, and culture without the use of force or invasion?
@@kanaka108shit assumption it's already debunked after ancient stone tools,paintings excavated from place near present day chennai which give a range 1.5 lakh to 3.5 lakh years ago .Either the arayan invasion or picnic therory is false or carbon dating is absolute rubbish (humans lived near Chennai,india before 1.5 lakh years not migrated 75000 years ago as so)
@@kanaka108see only people who have not colonized by colonizers is india eg us (red indians) wiped out,South American natives wiped out and Australian aboriginal wiped out less than few lakhs of them survive and only place were they survived is Africa so if that's so then humans may either arrived in india from Africa and moved out form different races and also may be humans were native to indian and moved out of india to form chinese,Europeans,middle East etc
Those people that are referred to as steppe people was actually scythians who originated from Siberia and went west all the way to Germany and France definitely not Caucasian
In reality Bharat is a very diverse land and Matarbhumi (Mother) Bharat has many Races and loves them equally. However, most Indians belong to the Aryan Race. The Aryan Race is indigenous to Northwestern Indian subcontinent and touching Central Asia and then moved Westwards and Southwards. Forensic genetics is very accurate but racial genetics a nascent subjective discipline is inaccurate and easy to fix for an agenda. Rigveda and Avesta are very nearly the same and our Iranians cousins are Aryans as well. Some foreigners want to remove the word Aryan from our planet or change its meaning: I am Darius, the great king, the king of kings The king of many countries and many people The king of this expansive land, The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid, Persian, the son of a Persian, 'Aryan', from the Aryan race "From the Darius the Great's Inscription in Naqshe-e-Rostam"
Max Muller came from Germany. He was a scholar at Oxford and his subject was Sanskrit. We have Max Mueller Bhavan all over India which is promoting German language and not Sanskrit. He never came to India.
First he debunks and then finally comes to the same AIT theory 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 No chance ! Keezhadi excavations DNA have proved that - no DNA entered indian subcontinent from last 15,000 years Period ! ( pun intended ) 😂
@@sanjayb4159 you’re incorrect. Vageeshs paper from 2019 which is heavily cited shows a migration into India in the 2nd millennia bce from the central steppe Asians. The keezhadi excavations are dated to the 6th or 5th century bce, well after the Aryan migration. Where are you getting that keezhadi predates aryan migration and show no dna into India for 15k years ?
Then where did steppe dna come from and why is it highest in Ror? And please don't say that's scythians cause the eastern scythians were mongoloid shifted while western scythians were European shifted. Ror have DNA from none of those populations.
TAMIL people were called Dravidian by English men. The world Dravidian came from TAMIL word Thiruveedan means faithful and sacred Powerful men. Thiruveedan= Thiruvidan, Dravidan, becomes Dravidian, all ian, ism, ic comes from English. Indian, Dravidian Hinduism, islamism, vedic, islamic. Before , in ancient time we don't have papers and books nor photography. we don't have scripts, alphabets or letters. TAMIL language is the First, oldest, finest, sweetest and beautiful language and the first classical language in the world with the richest culture and highest civilisation and wonderful literature. God creates people of same colour the brunette colour first then the black, red , white and the yellow coloured skin people. The first world was TAMIL ruled by Paradan Emperumal (Paradan emperor, Baradan, Barad, Barat today india is Barath from the Parada Nadu. He , Paradan Emperumal with his eight sons and one daughter ruled also the Submerged TAMIL Continent Kumari kandam. Later his descendants went round the world, the Three crowned Tamil kings Sozhan ( Chola ) Cheran ( Chera ) Pandiyan ( Pandyan ) At that time we don't have God with Animals head. Rven indu Valley was not called indu. It was called Sindurai same as Madurai. In Tamil we don't put ' S' for Pluriel, only English put S . Indus, vedas, TAMIL put ' Gal ' Tamizhargal and the country was called Parada Nadu abd Tamizhagam or Tamizhaga Nadu. ( Or Tamizh Nadu) Water supply system in Sindurai ( indus) Valley Civilisation is the same as in South India, ( Tehn Barath) and specifically in Today Tamil Nadu. The TAMIL Thiruveedan ( Dravidian). Agriculture is from the Thiruveedan now in Tamil Nadu. New tech in agriculture is from the South india. Hindi, Urdu Persian, islamic, European languaged were not existent in the ancient Time. Nandri. 2.B C.........
‘native’ and ‘india’ are funny terms that you use that probably wont be recognised at all by people you are referring to. The initial ancestor DNA component in South Indians is greater, yes, but they do have other traces of DNA too, which doesnt make them any more native to the land than the north indians. Native word is generally used in English for people of a land existing before colonisation and resettling of that land by oppressive regimes. As the Dna evidence suggests however, the waves of people coming into the subcontinent werent colonisers looking to oppress but normal people looking to settle and intermarry the earlier civilisations. They are the ancestors of most south indians as well.
every single Languages people in India have land inside India. Bengali have Bengal.. rajasthani have rajasthan.. kanndan have kannada Telugu have Telugu. tamilanu have Tamil... 😂😂😂😂😂😂but Sanskrit have invasion theory. only.. no land.. because their came From europe via Kaiper Polen ..
Clear explanations. Bravo. Well done. Plz continue your work. Love from Sri Lanka 😊 Only one question. Since you mentioned the DNA only consists of male DNA. Its clear evidence of an invasion. If its a migration DNA should contain female DNA as well. Or according to your explanations only males had intermarried with ANI ?
1000%!!!! I noticed that too!!! It seems like he's trying to say there was no invason when the Mtdna and the Dna in the people in some parts of India shows there was an invasion!!!
@@khem127 Yeah that's the case . I think because of popular narrative these days people trying to be politically correct. The represent evidence shows there were numerous invasions, according to my understanding I think many Tribes came from the north and settled in Gangetic plain and founded 16 mahajanapadas.People can call it migrations but native people won't welcome outsiders gently. So Aryans had to fight with the locals. They were one of the best archers and horse riders. Warfare is not a new thing for them.
They are telling Britishers are your father and you are simply accepting without any research. Just think once, in these kind of theories why always foreigners are always coming to India and why not Indians were not gone to eastern world. They are just bluffing. Just think this way, if Indians gone to steppeherd world and they given birth to many babies and brought back their babies to India, then also same DNA patterns will come. Ok
@@k.dineshkannana.kesavarama7749😂😂😂 omg...the hate for British is clouding your rational mind... There is no DNA evidence of your theory hence it wasn't the case. Abd ut doesn't make sense for people to migrate somewhere and to come back
@@pari0088 you love Britishers, no problem for me. Have you done any excavation under the oldest cities like Kasi in India, it may reveal our forefathers were not hunter gathers but a highly developed human beings. Excavations in the remote areas will definitely say you are the descendents of hunter gathers. DNA will not reveal the cultural heritage.
The 2019 paper has several shortcomings, where the authors have used substiution method to prove their hypothesis. For example, there is no evidence of haplogroup R1a1 in African people, where Indians from South or North India have it as a dominant genetic marker. Also means that the initial hypothesis that African people came to India 65,000 years ago is doubtful. On a general note, the into-India-migration theory has another flaw. A few thousand people came to India where they multiplied at 5 times the rate as compared to back home, whether in Africa or Europe. Such divergence in population growth is unrealistic. Instead, what it means is that majority of Indians are local to Bharat, and only a few came from outside. For the few (African herdsmen or European nomads) to have compiled vedic hyms while being on the move all the time is also unrealistic.
No one knows who the Aryans were. The word Aryan is recorded in text, two times in history-on the grave of Darius where it was written “I am an Aryan” and in the Vedas. That means the Aryans had a connection to Persia and India. There is no evidence that shows that they could have been from anywhere else.
what is the evidence of 1. Step -herders' language is a precursor to Sanskrit? Did they write books in steps that they carried? Are these books/inscriptions found in the present steps region? What script did they have? 2. Step-herders' religion being a precursor to Vedic religion?
That part of the video was ridiculous. Steppe herders (barbarians) brought language and religion to a population that had been settled for thousands of years and was more advanced....that doesn't make any sense.
@@loksterization is it not possible at all, that they (steps folks) immigrated and adopted local culture and professions to survive? A Lot of Indian programmers migrate to the US and adopt the American lifestyle. Does that mean they brought programming to the US?? Try to find objective evidence of Sankrit already existing in the steps region. Without that, it is a sloppy argument.
@@loksterization Please post evidence and texts. And how you came to conclusion that they talk about Steps Also, very important! Why steps people don't take about their own place in Sanskrit that they are supposed to have been espoused??
What? Hindutva bullshit here would Out Of India Theory, which is explicitly stated as clearly wrong. Even westerners agree that there was very little violence, and more a gentle and slow migration and mixing.
In old times people used to go from place to place. I am from Bihar but my family ancestry is from Haryana and beyond that too we know that Haryana is also not our origin place. But my family isn't sure from where we came to Haryana. This happened may be 1000 years ago. We do carry family tree and have data that once we used to live in Haryana and slowly kept migrating along ganga river and finally settled in Bihar.
Couple of interesting inferences. 1. Stepp herders migrated without women? Or perhaps had strict rule to not have women mix outside of their community? 2. 100 AD is when someone came up with the strict jaati/varna system, which also aligned with approximate dating of Manu Smriti.
1. Okay, that's an interesting perspective! My personal hypothesis is that it was probably migration in search of a better life - education, trading, work, etc. You know, similar to how people from rural areas migrate to urban locations? Or people from the global south migrate to the developed nations? But your theory of women being *made* to stay behind also meshes well with a (possibly) patriarchical society. Hmm, will have to look more into it! Thanks for the food for thought! :) 2. Yeah, that's sounds about right. Our hypothesis is that both - the rigidity of caste/jaati/varna and the documentation of it via the Manusmriti - may have begun happening around the same time. One fed the other, which fed back into the first, creating a feedback loop that strengthened a vague, loose concept into a rigid principle. Hypothesis, of course! :) - Shrikant
Why do you say Indian origin and not north indian? Because people speaking dravid language, the central indian tribes like mundari language and of course North East Indians except the Assamese people? Like the white Brits you too want to show that the fairer north indians are original indian.
@@Ashthebadthegoodhumans livedd near present day chennai for as long 3.5 lakh years because new findings cave paintings and stone tools and bone fragments hence out of Africa theory of 75000 years into india is fake
Entire theory is a figment of imagination, essentially based on British historians and their time line. He has just altered the Aryan invasion theory as it doesn't stand test of scrutiny. Why there are little trace of Sanskrit & Vedic culture in lands whose people are supposed to have brought them to India. After all only a handful were supposed to have migrated. Migration is not always one way, it happens both ways over a long period. Brahmins not only of different parts of India possess different physical features, but of the same location also. The astrological events mentioned in Mahabharata dates back to 4000 BC and chariots of Sanauli are supposed to be 3800 yrs old, which doesn't match with his chronology. Besides, a society which at least about 2500 yrs ago, already had such advance knowledge of astrology, medicine, economics and law, ought to have continued for far longer than claimed in this video. He has just tried to draw a line between right and left..
yes True we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis. The Gap between Sanskrit and The proposed migration, No archeological evidence of migration/invasion, Theory id 87% Based on Language words "matches" And not on Archeological. pre vedic Tools, pottery styles were Already Found in IVC way before 2300 BC. Lastly Researches Done by IIT and Other anthropological units internations Found Cultural contiunity rather than Big migration
@@anandpandeya5727 you’re incorrect on several fronts. there is tons of traces and commonalities between sanskrit / vedic culture outside of India and in the Central Steppe/central Asia area. For example: cremation, Soma, horse worship, horse domestication, nomadic tribal living, and chariots. That’s because steppe people / bmac culture brought some of these ideas to India through migration and trade. You are also grossly misinformed about the Sinauli burial . The sinauli chariot is dated to around 1900 bce. Astrological math is not evidence by any means. Where are you getting that it’s dated to 3800 bce ?
@@realSamarthT Aryan's were people with dark hue,not Caucasian. They take ancient names also symbols like the swastika to represent themselves when in reality it never was a part of their culture.
My grandfather used to tell us stories about how a sheep hurder came with his sheep down in the valley to feed them and married there. There were two peoples pastoral and agrar
What type of history it is Where south Indian were mentioned as native hunter and gathers Purposefully _ Keeladi excavation finding were skipped which say there was a parallel advanced civiliazation in TamilNadu How you missed the reserach article _ which states that Indus ppl spoke protodravidian languages more inclined to Tamil I need a reply for these , or you make seperate video ; dont hide facts
There has always been a tendency for usurpers, outsiders in any area, to claim that they always lived there, specially with small abodes and shops! Obviously they have been planted there by big goons! Supported by corrupt officials!
It's the same for Native American. My 2 DNA (2015 & 2023) have no genetic markers for Asian or Siberian. 100% Navajo. Some Christian faiths believe we are the lost tribe of Isreal. Or that we were introduced to Judaism before colonial. And that Jesus came to the Americas to teach us Christianity during the 3 days after his death. 😂
we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis.
Incorrect, the UP findings(Sinauli chariot) is dated to 1900 bce and has a cart (not a spoked wheeled chariot like the aryans) Even then, 1900 falls in line with the Aryan migration (starting around 2000 bce) and they could’ve been early central Asian immigrants before spoked wheeled and horse chariots were created
NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@vipassana123 NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@vipassana123 NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
A lot of it is following the right people on social media, and subscribing to the right substacks. Those give initial ideas, which I follow up by reading the relevant research articles on Google scholar or sci-hub or libgen -navin
The geological history states that the Indian sub continent was separated from African continent and moved towards the Asian Continent, thereby the Himalayan Mountain was formed. In the explained event there's a chance the humans existed in the Indian sub continent too. The Western country people always say that they are superior which isn't correct. Each and every individual has got intelligence which can't be ruled out. As far as our Hinduism is concerned the four varnas were from the same family that one person who was indulged in prayers was a bramhin and his other sibling who was looking after the safety of the family was Kshatriya, the next sibling who was indulged in trading of their products was vaisya and the next sibling who was indulged in agriculture was shoodra as such there was no caste in existence at all in sanatan dharma or Hinduism. The Britishers who came to india for business invaded and ruled India during that point of time they had divided our systems as caste. The Western people don't consider our Puranas (History), Vedas (Science and Technology) in such an event how to believe that Aryans came to Indian sub continent from the West and they taught us everything. The invaders to our country had made our life miserable. We are all one, we have our own history in the farm of folklore, puranas, vedas etc., if the government thinks to make a detailed study of our archeological survey etc, then the world will know the truth. It's very much evident that our country had very good and world class universities in which many foreigners had studied and passed out successfully. The world famous Nalanda University was set fire by the invader Khilji. Our education system was spoiled by Macaulay.
4:56 correction. This country was not on any map, and there was no nation, no language. The alphabet is half cirylic half latin, the spoken language is made of all the surrounding languages, manly russian and polish. The name of the synthetic "country" literally means a cut-off piece of land between 2 strong countries. It gained land for itself because of a certain politician, who was a khazarian zionist and even now nobody can figure out why he did that, altho there are theories.
Very interesting and informative! Can you please include North-Eastern cultures as well in this account, as that is an interesting part of Indian history often left out.
Unfortunately, the research papers that I used for this video excluded Tibeto-Burman and Austro-Asiatic DNA from their analysis-because they wanted to focus on the larger populations. As a result, unfortunately, Northeast India has been left out of this analysis. I'm sorry about that. I am looking for literature on the DNA of Northeast Indians and if I find enough material, will try to put it up somewhere -navin
Almost every Indians(Barring Austro Asiatic Munda Tribes and North Eastern Tribals) r descendents of 3 main ancestry groups. 1)AASI(ANCIENT ANCESTRAL SOUTH INDIANS) or SAHG(SOUTH ASIAN HUNTER GATHERER)-first Indians or native Indians 2)IRANIAN NEOLITHIC FARMERS/ZAGROSIAN NEOLITHIC FARMERS(most prominent ancestry and somehow underrated, this group mixed with AASI and formed Indus valley civilization) 3)STEPPE/YAMNAYA PASTORALIST(this group is called Aryan and credited to bring Indo Aryan Language Sanskrit from which most North Indian language r descended from) Although proportions of ancestry based on caste and regions r different but in total every Indian group has these 3 ancestry. So nobody today is Mulniwasi
north eastern people generally have tibeto-burmese ancestery. they also have austro asiatic component. i dont know why so many northeast people believe they have mongolian ancestery. actually, the mugal emperors have direct lingeage to Mongols, although mixed with turks. so there could be some mongol and turks lineage too brought by the mugal invasion.
The word Aryan is wrongly used as such a race never existed. Sanskrit was derived from Indian languages mainly south Indian languages. Kannada is mostly Sanskrit itself.
Please show us Sanskrit evidence before 900 AD? donot put artificial language sanskrit in our bucket. we are the follower of Pali & Prakrat and today local languages.
Great Video Guys. Loved the historical precision and transparency between the facts and subjectivisms. Although I have one question, I feel like you guys missed on the part where we see early stone age people in south India over 1.5 million years ago ? We have stone tool evidence in Attirampakam, Tamil Nadu from around 1.5 million years which are also the oldest found stone tools in India if I'm not wrong. I wonder where these early stone age people fit into your timeline ? Certainly there is a huge gap between 1.5 Mil years and the first mentioned 65,000 years. Would love to get that gap filled in this history of India timeline. Cheers!
There was a big volcanic eruption (Toba) 74000 years ago, which resulted in ash deposits all over the Indian subcontinent. There's no evidence that any humans in India survived this. As a result, any modern Indians are descended from humans who came after this and anything earlier is prehistory -navin
@@TheFutureIQ Isnt there evidence from archaeological sites in India, such as Jwalapuram in Andhra Pradesh, suggests that human populations were present before, during, and after the Toba eruption ? Stone tools found in the layers of ash indicate continuous human occupation, suggesting that humans did survive the eruption and its aftermath.
It is possible. However, tracking DNA markers indicates that only approximately 10000 humans *worldwide* are supposed have survived the Toba eruption, most of them in Africa. While there are tools found before and after the ash in Jwalapura, no fossils have been found so we just can't be sure. In any case, even if some did survive, they don't appear to have a big impact on the DNA of the later Indians. -navin
Homo Sapiens came to existence around 300,000 years ago. Before that they were primitive humans, probably from other branches of human evolution . All of them extinct due to various reasons. The last known species closest to humans/ Homo Sapiens were Neanderthals and never lived in Indian subcontinent. There for, what you have stated is a false narrative. I don’t think your claim is a pier reviewed genuine research.
I still don’t accept that it wasn’t an invasion, I mean, it wasn’t one Aryan emperor doing a genocide against the locals, I think that the aryan settlers individually would attack one village, kill or enslave the men and marry the women, that’s why the male DNA is foreign and the female DNA is local. The culture remained the same as the women still taught their children their own culture and language. And the aryans may not have expanded for territory, but time to time when space ran out, they would attack the neighbouring villages.
Intersting, but there is still one question. Why is there so little evidence of mitochondrial DNA from the step herders? It would mean that almost just males from this group arrived. And those guys certainly didn't go to a distanst place to throw a big bachelor party, if you know what i mean...
Well in that case, the first group to come to india can call themselves as natives. But now, no one is; however, if they have atleast 50+% of DNA matching with ancestral hunter gatherers, then they are clearly more closer to the native Indians. No wonder that cheras and pandyas are really old dynasties, considering their symbols which are Bow and arrow, and fishes. Both of them belong to hunting/fishing community, whereas cholas were hunters too who embraced agriculture later. Makes sense of what tamil nationalists are shouting.
@@jahnvisingh8015 so basically no one in India can actually say that they are natives of this land. But the pioneers of this land can claim themselves as native Indians. So, if someone has DNA that matches with ancestral hunter/gatherers(pioneers) atleast by 51% then they can actually claim themselves as actual natives of this land. Regarding the cheras and pandyas, both of them belong to hunting clans(vedargal/meenavargal - hunter/fishermen). Chera's actual source for survival was hunting, hence, the symbol of their flag is 🏹. Similarly, pandyas actual source for survival was fishing, hence, the symbol of their kingdom is fishes. Both of them, have mentioned about Aryans and their dwelling. Pandian king has a record of him when conquering the aryans. Hence he got the title, ARYAPADAIKADANDHA NEDUNCHEZHIAN - Nedunchezhian who conquered the aryan army. Similarly a chera king conquered himalayas after conquering the aryans, hence he took the title. Imayavaramban. In manusmrithi: 2:21 says that Aryans were in between 2 mountains (Himalayas&vindhyas) and 2 oceans (eastern&western sea). Supporting this statement, Tamil literature, Aganaanooru 398 says that himalayan region belongs to the aryans. Another proof, padhittrupathu 11. Also in Silapathigaram kaatchikadai, Kongans, Kalingas(odissa), Karunadakas(karnataka-note that karunadakas at that time dwelled right below the vindhyas), Bengalis, Kangars(gangas) forgot about you and formed alliance with Aryans. You defeated those 1000 Aryan Kings on the banks of River Ganges. This again proclaims the regions of aryan kingdom. Note the work "bank of river ganga". All these geographical indications do serve as proof for this genetic study. Hope it helped.
@@whoops0 Your knowledge in this field is commendable, atleast to an individual like me, mostly ignorant to the history of the subcontinent south of the Vindhyas. Would you consider recommending books on the Cheras, Pandyans, Chalukyas, Rashtrakutas, Wodiyars, Pallavas, maybe the slightly less advanced ones. Being from the north of India, I have always felt a sense of fascination for Tamil culture and been intrigued by stories which encapsulate its glorious past, ever since my visit to the charming city of Madurai. The phonetic beauty of the language (I really wish I could learn it some day), the fragrant cuisine, the marvels of the temple architecture and of course, the splendid sonic experience of the echoing nadhaswaram in the temples, everything is vividly engraved in my memory.
@@jahnvisingh8015 thank you so much. But sadly iam not aware of a 1 particular book that talks about these kingdoms that u have mentioned.. Instead, I could recommend u 1 of the oldest literature in tamil. It is called Silapathigaram. Silapathigaram means the story of an anklet. This book is atleast 1900 to 2000 years old. It contains of a story of a couple who leaves chola kingdom, they try to settle on pandyas kingdom(where the husband dies), and then later the wife moves to chera kingdom. So this book, tells the story of environmental situations of ancient tamilagam. It is to be noted that this book was written by Chera prince who left his royalty and embraced Buddhism. However, this book is not in favour of any religion or kingdom, neither it is against them as all religions of ancient tamilagam(Aaseevagam, Samanam(jainism), boutham(budhism), vydheegam(veda religion Or vainavism) and shaivism) are praised. So this book will give you the idea how a layperson's life was in ancient tamilagam. Book: THE CILAPPATIKARAM OF ILANKO ATIKAL, An Epic of South India, translated, with an introduction and a postscript by R. Paarthasarathy. This book is also available in Hindi. Puranaanooru = Puram(outside) + naanooru(400) Aganaanooru = Agam(Inside) + Naanooru(400) These 2 books have 400 poems each. Puranaanooru talks about a life-outside of the person's body. It includes poems of Kings and kingdoms, nature, wars, and general people's life. Aganaanooru is talks about the life-inside of a person's body, which includes love life, person's relationship, person's feeling of other things around him. If you wanna learn about tamil people's culture, then these books are good. BOOK; 1. THE FOUR HUNDERED SONGS OF WAR AND WISDOM, an anthology of poems by classical tamil, the puranaanooru. Translated and edited by George. L. Hart and Hank Heifetz. I'm sorry, I couldn't get aganaanooru. Thirdly, the most famous tamil literature, Thirukural, is composed by thiruvalluvar. It is his statue on the sea, you'll see when you google search kanyakumari. This book contains of 1330 statements, with each statement having 7 words(4 in the first line, 3 in the second line). Has 133 chapters with each chapter having 10 kurals/statements hence the 1330. This book is divided into 3 parts: Aram (virtue) 38 chapters, Porul (wealth) 70 chapters, inbam/kaaman (love) 25 chapters.... All these parts are beautiful to read. They are very simple for a layman to understand. You also get books separately for each part. So this book is about ethical philosophy. If you wanna read the whole thirukkural, I'd suggest you this book. PEARLS OF WISDOM FROM CLASSIC TAMIL SERIES THIRUKURAL - DR. Anaivaariyar. If you just wanna read the 3rd part, which is awesome id say, try reading THE BOOK OF DESIRE by meena kandaswamy. And there are hell lot of works in tamil literature. Whatever I gave you is less than 5%. And there are still hell lot of manuscripts which are not translated yet. But i think whatever I gave you is enough to get u started. And whatever I gave you are atleast 1900-2000 years old. So they are like legit solid tamil contexts. But i dont I'm the right person to recommend you books about rashtrakutas and chalukyas Or the wodeyars. I cannot read or understand old kannada and sanskrit. Also there is a small problem here. For example, rashtrakutas reigned for 220 years. So it is difficult for me to get books that were written during this short period of time. Similarly with chalukyas who ruled 200 and 200 years. Their history if complicated as kept having territory conflicts with the cholas. Wodeyars are a totally new kingdom which sprouted at the beginning of 15th century. So i couldn't get a kannada-only-culture. It was easy for me to tamil literature because Chola, pandya and chera dynasties ended only in 13th century AD, 14th century AD and 12th century AD respectively. None of these kingdoms starting period could be found as their origin goes back very past in history that they are considered as legends. For example, pandyan and cheras are even found in Mahabharata. Meenakshi was a pandyan princess this was mentioned in Mahabharata. Because cheras chola pandyas ruled consistently for so long, I was able to handpick the literature easily that are at least 2000 years old. So please ask a kannada scholar or student regarding kannada/telugu literature. Regarding pallavas, you don't have to worry about them. Because pallavas are branch of cholas. This is found in Silapathigaram. When a chola prince married a Naga princess in srilanka, the pallava dynasty was found. Pallavas braced sanskrit unlike chera chola and pandyas who patronized tamil. Because they embraced sanskrit hence their name "Pallava" Which literally means "branch". Their stories are mostly found in temple inscriptions.
@@whoops0 Thank you so much for taking out the time to write such a comprehensive response. I will try my best to read all your recommendations, hopefully obtaining a novel perspective of the beauteous Tamil culture.
Wild animals. As far as we know, all humans originated from Africa, and the ancient hunter gatherers were the first group of people that came to the Indian subcontinent.
I'm not an expert on any of the subjects discussed. India that is Bharat. May i suggest that [1]you use the words like Northern India and Southern India rather than North and South India. [2] Suggest dropping the use of the word 'caste' and use words like 'social segments', as the word 'caste' appeared just 250 years by the Colonists. [3] The civilisation that developed on the banks of the Saraswati River, dispersed/ resettled in many directions, after the sudden drying up due to tectonic plate events. [4] The anomaly of same DNA patterns found amongs brahmins (vedic sanatan) and some tribals like Gonds (animists), etc [5] The mythical origin of the Abrahamic Religion from Abraham & Sarah and (a)brahm & Sara(wati). Uncanny simililarity!!! [6] it would be preferred to use the word central-asian rather that Cacausian. [7] The discovery of religio artifacts around the Globe, similar to the ones found in Bharat. --- your feedback would be appreciated. सत्यमेव जयते
The linguistic link between Abraham Brahma and Sarah Saraswati tickled me. Aurobindo had argued I may misrecall that the foreign gid of ecstacy Dionysus was etymologically linked to the Deus if Nyssa in India. And it's followers bacchants to the bahkti tradition of the lord siva
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White Man's Burdon: tapthe.link/WhiteMansBurdonBook
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Since you are educators, please, please check your typos. It's "White Man's Burden," not "BURDON."
Didn’t talk about Tamil language. He must be an Aryan.
@@lawrencerichards4073 😅Maybe he didn't wanna talk about natives but rather what came in
Didn't speak about Vagesh Narasimhan research.
Totally bogus guys, they literally connected it back to white man’s story. As per white man’s story those people in Middle East came from caucuses. Their timelines also match up. Lot more respect to those creators who publish silly shorts & tiktoks.
There's no such thing as Pure Race and Pure Language.
There is. Andamanese Sentalese Tribes are Pure Ancient Hunter Gatherers 100% with no DNA input from outside. They're true indian in genetic sense
Tamil is pure language with out any language can stand
Tamizh has
@@RasimillionTamil/Tamizh like every other language in existence, has evolved and will continue evolving with every generation. No language is immune to evolution. A language can evolve slowly or fast depending on several factors but it has to evolve. Tamil has evolved from proto-dravidian just like the indo european languages have evolved from proto-indoeuropean and chinese langauges from proto-sinotibetian.
@@Rasimilliondravidians migrated from one part of the african continent around 6000 to 8000 bce. if tamil originated in southern part of indian subcontinent then what was the language they used to speak when they migrated to south india from africa?
a language can't be formed on its own out of nowhere without from the previous language.
so if you're right then dravidians might have stopped speaking their previous language and directly made a new language (tamil) out of nowhere and labeled it as pure language? how ironic?
I am Indonesian, but the test results show that my DNA comes from China, India, and Australasia. So, not only did we import the 3 major religions, sanskrit alphabets, rice, weaving technology, temple architecture, cooking spices, etc. from India, but also our phenotypes and genotypes were also partially inherited from India. Thank you for everything :))
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I think you meant Tamil. Most east Asian languages are inspired from Tamil script and not Sanskrit. Sanskrit has more ties with Arabic and some European languages but not south east Asian languages.
@@zachbercu3230 Of course there is Tamil influence in Indonesia, and some believe that the influence of Tamil culture is more dominant. One of the arguments is because there is a story about the Tamil version of the Rama-Shinta story matched with Indonesian version. Even in the earliest Indian epic, the Ramayana, Sugriva, the head of Rama's army, is recorded as sending his men to Yawadvipa, the island of Java, to look for Sita. ha ha ha...
Also according to the ancient Tamil manuscript Manimekalai, Java had a kingdom with a capital called Nagapuram. After all, South Indian culture spread widely since the Pallava dynasty from South India in the 4th century.
But there are also many records that show that merchants from Gujarat came to Indonesia to trade and spread Islam here, so that in the end our nation experienced mass apostasy for the third time by Indians. Aha ha ha...
@@zachbercu3230 Arabic is not similar to sanskrit at all. It's a semetic Language. And Indonesia has a huge sanskrit influence
@@ananymouse3988 The word india came from Indus river, Arabs were non existent when India was florishing in ancient times
Are they afraid to call the "ancient hunters and gathers" Africans because of Indian prejudice? What do you think?
I actually agree. Hes does say african towards the end
Those are the Dravidians.
And they were caucasian in the animation too 😂
Africans came 65000 years ago and the hunder gatherers came after 10000 years... both of them are different...
I am South Indian (75% Tamil - 25% Telugu) and I already know that I'm a Dravidian for a long time. Albeit born, raised and living 4 generations away from the Indian sub-continent, I believe I could still share my opinion. I have read of the Aryan invasions (I did believe it until I have a clearer understanding watching this upload) but I have in the last 8-9 years always acknowledge the FACT we Tamil people were originally from Africa.
The prejudice is real!! ... even if one is raised outside India but it's not all black and white as you think, there are so many shades in between. For those ultra orthodox Hindus it's more about caste system and religion. .. But then,, even if you are from the same caste.. the last lingering issue would be - skin color!
90% of my society (in the country I live in now) don't believe in that anymore. Bad news.. the same 90% possibly do NOT KNOW much about DNAs, real time history and NOT we originally are Africans. I'm lighter colored and have relatives like me marrying either ultra light skin color and also absolute darkish skin color from different castes.. Why? Because we have learnt that a bird of feathers flock together only intellectually but NOT from understanding of our African black history last 70k years,
When I personally highlight this to my orthodox family that still believe "" IT IS US WHO BROUGHT LANGUAGE, CIVILIZATION etc.. TO OUTSIDE NATIONS!! They frown with the "WHY?!1? BECAUSE THE WHITE MAN SAID SO??? ""
It is in my own opinion again that one's religion itself plays the whole brainwash... " my way or highway..." doesn't matter that what creed, religion,, skin ,, nationality..civilization..
Having said, most Indians I know today don't really care about skin color these days. But if you are going to say things like .. ' HELOOWWW!! like we all were once from the African continent 70k years go and we moved here and fact that we are originally hunter gathering black people from Africa ....etc..etc... Damn!! definitely my people are NOT ready for it.
The First human being 1,82,000 years ago from Ethiopia (Africa) we all are brothers and sisters
You have to account for the lost information and technology 40k years ago. But African and Asian cultures did meet in India as a trading hub.
@@genkideguire bro india is part of America, Africa and Australia, indian subcontinent is not whole land it's a part of many land, india has rich cultural and language like Tamil, even trading but that's one of part, Evan they have oldest Archeological proof before 75000 years ago But all are migrants from Africa not only whole world people start their migrants roots from Africa., And i am not from Africa, i am also from india, we should talk about truth., Thank you
So we are all a product of incest ? 😂😂😂
@@user-fl4nw3ub7bunfortunately some people are still at the amoebic level, as per your statement.
No no indian have nothing to do with Afrika
I am from Kerala and I did a 23andMe DNA test. It says the maternal DNA from my mother is haplogroup L and 65000 years the ancient people left the horn of Africa and entered the area of current day Yemen. It later became M2 and the ancients entered northern part of India 40000 years ago. From there, they traveled along the coast and reached South India. The paternal DNA from my father is haplogroup A. 76000 years ago they entered the area of current day Iran. That became haplogroup L-M20 and they entered the northern part of India 48000 years ago.
Very interesting! Thanks for this information! :)
- Shrikant
@@TheFutureIQ Thanks so much Mr. Shrikant!!
Pretty accurate all human started In horn Africa somalia and Ethiopia.
Many South Indians I see are darker than American blacks
Test എവിടുന്നാ എടുത്തേ??
Technically, North Indians and South Indians share the same ancient hunter-gatherer ancestry from mother side, with about 80% of our DNA in common and only a 20% difference due to steppe ancestry, though the percentage of steppe ancestry can vary among different castes. we are brothers.
So true. Ram Ram from Sonipat. ❤
But what about the prehistoric dna found in Chennai
@@MyCosmicQuest They are the pure hunter gatherers who left Africa 65,000 years ago & settle in Asia. They migrated all the way to Sri Lanka. They were in Sri Lanka by 50,000 years ago. The oldest human remains found in Sri Lanka is 48,000 years old, which is called Balangoda Man as the remains found in a cave Balangoda area.
The Sri Lankan aboriginal people called "Vedda people" still live in Sri Lankan jungles, are the descendens from those who came here 50,000 years ago. The aboriginals live in North Sentinel islands (Andaman Islands) are also the same people.
Only males migrated here as Aryans ……
@@reachingthestars8652😂 south india different look appearance and people intelligence
Not Aryan invasion, its Aryan immigration
who cares that was migration or invasion?
the important thing is they come from steppe eastern europe >
@@user_18789 Actually it makes lot of difference.
@@vivekthekk
So it is better to get to know the reality
Because it was Invasion, not immigration
Because they replaced both their language and their religion
We see this from the mistreatment of the lower castes by the upper castes and the denigration of blacks by the Rig Veda(that writed by aryans).
When the other indo european steppe herders entered western Europe, they did not leave a single male farmer alive
and Aryans are their cousins and barbarism is in their blood!!!
they entered India without their female population
As you know, when a population goes somewhere without its female population (like the Mongols), it means that they go for war or looting.
How is it possible for them to enter India without their famale population and not have a conflict with the native people over their women?
Do you think that the Aryans entered India and the people of the Indus Valley welcomed them with flowers and sweets?
NO
Genetics shows that the Aryans killed about 70% or more of the indigenous people of the Indus Valley and raped their women
this is normal for bronz age
even mongols destroyed central asia and its Iranic population killed 15 million people with high amount of aryan genetic and replaced them with turco_mongols
Only 5% of Tajiks survived and fled to the mountains
history maybe be sad but anyone can"t run away from it.......
@@user_18789 Yes Tajikistan - very fascinating indeed!! They did have chariots though and the males spread into the females. So while they didn't have domination by numbers they did dominate in terms of technology and breeding. I think the endogamous caste system by 100 A.D. is more a product of literacy having spread since literacy is left-brain dominant as ideology that gets passed on generation to generation. This is known as religion of course.
@@user_18789 As far as i know on this, the aryans immigrated in multiple batches, lived with local population, slowly understood the way to survive in Indian land. And their survival strategy is really cunning. Get the support of the power from king. develop and spread the idealogy of Varnas, Dont work, dont do farming, dont trade via sea (as it is even dangerous), basically dont risk life for anything and at the same time, get everything by making others work for them. Even at the time of war defeats, they made a strategy that they cannot be killed. So, all the track of Aryans shows no blood dropping, apply a cruel mind for survival. And to the surprise their idealogy is still in practise for a successfull 2000+ years. They used religion as a big tool. injected self biased ideas into the religion which works in 21st century as well. for ex:only Bhramins can be temple priest, wedding happens with their approvals, even PM of a country fall on their foot. etc etc.
I'm from Punjab and my ancestry DNA analysis says 78% Central Asia-South, 19% North India and 3% South India. The 3% South India is quite strong as I love Dosa and Rajnikant movies. :)
They're not going to list Aryan on a DNA
Jats were Central Asians or Anatolians who settled in india during indo Greek wars or hunnic period
So I guess you're a Jatt that's why you have central asian dna
Are you forgetting about the Armenian/Aryan/@@TheGeoChronicles
From where did you get your test done ?
And is the service available in India ?
They are based on recent genetics. Originally my results showed 3% Persian DNA and 47% North indian (I am half indian). Now it has been changed to 10% South Indian and 40% North Indian. So you can see the ancient Iranian lineage is now considered a founder effect and has been changed to being indian DNA in my current results.
Okay! In my opinion, we are here, we belong here, we should all live together, no matter the caste,creed or gender.
That was how it was, till the Ariyan migration happened!
@@urbanmonkNH44 we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis.
@@urbanmonkNH44 WHo told you? Yourself?
@@urbanmonkNH44 and Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@CHRS-ri5mfBut DNA evidences says otherwise.
AASI is the original inhabitants.
They mixed with people who came from Zagros mountains to create IVC. IVC started its decline by 1900 BC, and the Aryans or the Steppe Hearders arrived in 1800 BC.
The Sinnouli artifacts shows similarities with both late Harappan (IVC) and Vedic culture.
It may be better to separate the IVC and the Ganga-Jamuna culture and Sinouli is part of the second.
Gentlemen, the root gene is Harrapan - All Indians were descents of Africa/Harappa. Please do not bring the same old story created by Europeans. The old Greek stories were based on Bharat glory. I recently found that Telugu is derived from Prakri and has Brahmi script in 3rd century BCE. However, our own people put off the archeological evidences from Bhattiprolu, inscriptions on temple walls. Some bad Pallavans destroyed Telugu culture. The great Sulabha sutra composer in 800 BCE, Apastambha was supposed to be from Godavari area of Andhra. Please do not bring north & south difference. This divide and rule is British!
Well said, uncle
The only positive comment here
Your perspective highlights the deep historical connections and cultural heritage of the Indian subcontinent, particularly emphasizing the significance of the Harappan civilization and the Telugu language.
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The root gene of Indian civilization can be traced back to the Harappan civilization, with a significant lineage linking all Indians to ancient migrations from Africa. This narrative challenges the simplistic historical accounts often propagated by European scholars. The grandeur of Bharat (India) is reflected in ancient Greek writings, which were deeply influenced by the rich culture and achievements of the Indian subcontinent.
Telugu, a prominent Dravidian language, is believed to have evolved from Prakrit, with historical roots that include inscriptions and literary evidence dating back to the 3rd century BCE, particularly the Brahmi script seen in archeological finds at Bhattiprolu. This site is crucial for understanding the early development of Telugu and its literary traditions.
Unfortunately, much of this archaeological evidence has been overlooked or dismissed by contemporary scholars. The destruction of Telugu cultural heritage can be attributed to various historical forces, including the Pallava dynasty, which, while contributing to the region's architectural and artistic developments, also led to the dilution of local traditions.
The Sulabha Sutra, attributed to the renowned scholar Apastambha, who is believed to have hailed from the Godavari region of Andhra Pradesh around 800 BCE, is a testament to the intellectual richness of the time. His contributions to philosophy and grammar highlight the advanced state of Telugu culture during this period.
@@Apastambha you don’t need to mention the African roots all Homo sapiens are from Africa it’s the other identity the sarasvati river valley identity which needs to be asserted
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He said aryans who came from Europe but he didn’t say dravidians who came from Africa. 🤦🏾♂️ I peep game.
Peeped that too
The Aryans did not come from Europe. The White man is from the Middle East. Dravidians are not African.
Drividians is not affrican he is group of multiple dna who come acrosh of Asia and stable in india ( that's why drividians are first Indian)
@MrAmhara Dravidians did move from Africa. But they kept on building colonies throughout the coast of the middle-east until they reached India. But it took them thousand years to migrate. But in the meantime, they kept on mixing through each colony they created. Hence, why the Dravidians dont completely share African DNA. They were mixing a lot throughout their journey.
Quit projecting
India has been attacked by many outside armies and conquered, but over time, the conquerors were themselves overwhelmed by india's knowledge and way of life. In the end, the agressors were conquered intellectually. That is why india has survived
Whoever came here accepted india as their own country except muslims. How much ever they live here in harmony, they always think arab and pakistan as their own country
What about the domination of modern India by the step herder (Brahman) DNA and their exploitation of the hunter gatherers even today in the form of RSS, BJP? Wake up! Islam is not the enemy, the CAST system is the biggest enemy of India! No wonder BJP is weak in the south
The same has happened to Iran. I don't think any region has been attacked as many times as Iran. But, eventually, all those invaders became Persianized!
@@yesu814 pakistan itself part of india ,given to them by indians
Lolz. When outsiders come they bring their own culture knowledge wisdom and traditions. So the land becomes a melting pot of different cultures and races. Like many so called Indian foods are actually from Arab Iran Turkey and central Asia.
Sanskrit doesn't have its own script where as Tamil as its own script called damili. This video doesn't even mention about the archeological findings of Keezhadi civilization found near Madurai dates back to 2300 Years. Hence investigating the Indian History from the perspective of Tamil literature , Buddhist literature co-relating with archeological findings and Scientific papers are key to understand the facts about indigenous people and their original culture.
He was trying to explain the fundamentals. Speaking of that subject you spoke would be another discussion in itself. Maybe you can ask the content creator to ask the guy to do a topic on that discussion you mentioned.
Sanskrit had its earlier writing system… bhrami etc.
Yup sanskari is purified by Buddhist hybrid sanskari (B.H.S)
@@ThaisDaRosa-r8o it's not brahmi is bhambhi
@@Vshoko_youtubeBudha was not even born that time nor baudh religion 😁😁😁😁😁
It was only Sanatan Dharm ☺️😊😚😘🥰
What a joke...kindly publish who funded these research. Wonderful how people in India always remained hunter gatherers but migrants are innovative. One can concoct similar stories for Hindu migration theory as well
Good point. 😊👍
Tamil had letters but Sanskrit had not been written language before Gupta period! Why?
Archaeological evidence doesn't support the Aryan invasion theory, as no clear evidence of any military invasion or destruction has been found in the archaeological record of the period in question.
Invasion wasn't even there it's used as a strawman by hindutuvaddis
Genetic evidence proves otherwise
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br lol,Aarya means a Sanskrit word which means skilled or respectable one.Dont know how idiots think it is not related to Bhaarat 😂
It's more of a migration theory. There is genetical/ linguistic data backing it
@@tomorrow. Migration keep happening all the time in all over the world. It should not be overhyped as FOREIGN gene or something
Interesting how they leave the African out of “ancient hunter gatherer” DNA and Middle eastern DNA. 😊
I have seen many people from India with darker skin; I believe you have a lot of African-origin DNA. You did not mention the African Black race.
🤦 in case that all people would be african - the population in africa has also changed - & So the initial population that left africa are the ancesters of all three populations the study mentions make up the genetics of the people in the asian subcontinent.
For one, I don't believe Noah's Ark is anywhere near the Caucus mountains. If they journeyed from the East back to Babylon, then the Ark would have had to land on a high mountain range such as the Hindu Kush.
@@thelastshallbefirst6531 you right. 8 ppl spread around the World and started new civilization? Nonsense.
I believe Dravidians which are the darker skin Indians are the ones who arrived in Indian.
Kashmiri people , not all of them ,have DNA R1A1A which is DNA of Aryan descent.
Kashmiri language , food , culture and dresses are similar to Ukrainian people , the birthplace of Aryan DNA 12,0000 years ago.
10,000 years ago these people started to move to warmer climate to vast plains of Tajikistan , Iran , and India .
Aryan Refugee Theory : ART
Whether you are deemed a migrant or a refugee depends on what (or rather, how much) you bring with you... ;)
-Shrikant
@@TheFutureIQnon material stuff right..
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Most indo european groups spread their genes by their men (and we all know what that means globally-not very consensual love making)
Interestingly most indo european invasions were extremely brutal and genocidal to the point where new populations were pretty homogenus which makes me think that it was indeed an invasion but that the pre herder mix were EXTREMELY resilient
Those refugees created India
All indians are mixed by DNA 🧬
That's why all are one
Tamizh is not like that
@@kavithagovindaraj7531 who is tamizh??
@@SpecialGlobalTalks tamil speaking people
Yeah outsider came and mix with natives and spread they caste based religion with native people god and created stories on it
@@ripsanskrit3609 there is no any native in India all are come from outside
So Indians were Black for 60,000 years, up until about 6k years ago. Ok, got it. Tell us something I do t know.
well in the south and central part of india there's still a lot of black DNA left haha
@@samuraijosh1595 I know this.
lol we waz kangz ngga
@@AnnHexTheCryptoSpace we wuz whiet aryan Egyptian godz, building pyramids in the scorchin dezert but not europa🤷🏾♂️
@@billiondollarbaby973 not only Indians, the whole world has spread from Africa originally
The White man was correct. Sanskrit is not alien to India. The Dravidian languages are older and native to India.
It's Tamils not Dravida
Tamil!!
Tamil is the oldest language on the planet earth
No it isn’t…
Why don't you invite Neeraj Atri sir who has published research papers on this topic with scientific and genetic evidence?
They equally ignored IIT Kharagpur research,rakhigari excavation and khambat submerged city.
So they took facts distorted it and came with challnel like idea so they can proove that Southern indian and northern indians have different ancestries. + Bramhins are more aryan in every part.( Propaganda of bramhical patriarchy)
@@priyamtamrakar6035ok tell us what evidence do you people have ?
@@alphaff9939proof is that savarkar himself believed that brahmins are outsiders
They said North indians and South indians have same ancestry, but with different proportions@@priyamtamrakar6035
@@alphaff9939 Read 2022 calendar published by IIT Kharagpur.
Rakhigari excavation report.Carbon dating of Bay of khambaat's submerged city. This is only tip of a giant ice burg.
Per the Bible, a man named Elam. The Caucasians (Pursians/Iranians) came into Iran and India. In the bible, there is a story about the Pursians and Meades. At the end of the day, no matter where you come from, you are an awesome people.
As an Indian I think you should not be blinded by Indian nationalism or pride. There is some truth to this.
Definitely a mix of two civilizations and then a mix of more.
Basically arya are not india.
Middle ester pre framer or
Ancient hunter are stablize hindia and they are true indian.
Dravidians are more closer to middle eastern
British slowly invaded India like the Aryan
Brilliantly noted. Middle Eastern is a political construct to ignore the core African DNA in the region or African DNA origin. In this vein, the Middle Eastern migration is the African subsequent migration into all parts of India.
Basically it appears that Africa is only the place where humans first evolved - and spread throughout the world
Middle eastern farmer concept is noted as separate from their African ancestor bcz the 60k years in between changed them with visible physical traits, occupation n other behaviours
Same holds for Steppes
Thank you
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The oldest known Indo-European language is not from the Caucuses but from modern day. Turkey. The “Hittite“ language. Northern Indians even look like dark skinned White people. lol
Dear Sir..If the steppe herders brought vedas into india,why is it inexistent where they supposedly came from..?Zero trace of vedic culture in europe...
The came from the caucasus mountains. They wiped out the Black people of Europe. Their home is not Europe. You will have to go to thecaucasus mountains to find their archaeological digs.
Good question. The only place in the world you find anything like the lingum or yoni from Hinduism is in India. No where else. 😅
@@ohlawd3699although I prefer the ultrapostmodern name of India Bharat. Wakanda
He didn't say they brought vedas or sanskrit. They brought pre sanskrit and pre vedic thought. Be happy.. you can say India gave Vedas and Sanskrit to world.
If the Aryans were in much smaller number against the already well established MiddleEastern Pre-Farmers and Ancient Hunter Gatherers and just migrated in gradually, then they should have been integrated and assimilated in to those two cultures over time! But in reality, that didn't quite happen. They dominated over the then natives and imposed their language, cultures, and belief. Which kind of establishes the Aryan Invasion a fact that with their superior war machineries including the use of horses, tactics, and physical strength, they overpowered the pre-farmers, controlled them and imposed their own language, culture and religious belief. Over time, they also drove out many of these natives including the Ancient Hunter Gathers farther to the South!
So, whether some people like it or not, it was an Aryan Invasion, not a Migration to this land!
Yes, and I'm guessing it's not politically correct for some reason.
Yeah, And it's normal it happens everywhere. We should accept it.
When aryans arrived first with small numbers they did mix a lot with remaining IVC populations and native indians. Bt after many years I mean during the early stages of gupta period endogamy was started on the basis of aryan groups and anarya groups. These aryan groups where the one who are offsprings of the aryans mixed with the IVC. Those groups who did not have the mixing offsprings where made out of the chaturvarna system. And these things only happened in north india and gangetic valley after some centuries gradually spread to south india aswell.
Meanwhile 9500 years old dwarka underwater be like "sure, sanskrit came from outside", oldest settlements of indus valley civilization 9500 years old be like "yeah sanskrit is surely not from here", rigveda describing saraswati river at its peak about 8000 years ago, be like " yeah man sanskrit aren't from here", Ram setu dating back 7000 to 18400 years be like "of course sanskrit is from europe, king Dasharath was from France didn't you know?", if stupidity had a face I can see it in this video.
I see a lot of comments bashing the video, but I just wanna say great content yall. I'm in no position to say how well researched this is, but I really love the way you presented your ideas. Hope you keep making content like this. Subbed+1
Thank you! Seeing comments like this does help
-navin
I am confused. Before this video, I had the understanding of Aryans coming to India. Invasion is more likely, if someone else occupies your land. Migration if they occupy nearby land such that there is no conflict. But this video asserts that it is migration whilst providing proof that it is an invasion. They mentions that the steppe herders (aryans) came without women. Who travels without women other than for war?
Did Indians, Chinese, Italians, Irish people, Polish people, Mexican people, etc. invade America?
Heck, why go so far? Did the Gujarati people invade Mumbai? Did the Shettys invade Mumbai? Did the Marwadi people invade Mumbai?
A land that invites and welcomes people willingly isn't being invaded. It is being made stronger by the collective strength of the people who settle there and call it their own.
You assume that the people of IVC were the "rightful" residents of the the land but how can you forget that they themselves were migrants at some point in time?
- Shrikant
@@TheFutureIQThe original people of Indus Kush are the Nubian Kushites who are the Ancient Egyptians who ruled Indus kush for millions upon millions of years Kushites had a highly advanced technological civilization up until the 17th century when the Indo aryans came from the caucas mountains regions invaded annihilated ethnic cleansed the Indegenious Kushites Bantus the remaining Kushites are now called the Siddis who are marginalised and excluded based on the racist cast system brought to Kush renamed India by the Indo aryans renamed Indians
modern day Indians Pakistanis Bangladeshi destroyed the Ancient Kushite One world empire
In Niger South Africa Cameroon they still speak Tamil
Also he say's that in some areas, ALL the people had Indian FEMALE mtdna, and stepherder MALE dna, because the Stepherde males, "out competed for the Indian females". What a nice way to put it.
Why do Indian deny their forefathers.The Dravidian are and we’re with their cushite brothers in EastAfrica all the way to ancient Egypt.Dravidian story goes that they crossed big ocean to come to India.Cushite and Dravidian started the Cush Indus Valley as its original name is called.The Chaldeans or Cholchian were a branch of cushite.They were dark skin like Dravidian and EastAfricans like Somali and Ethiopian.The Aryans called themselves Arya and Warya and they were pure in religion.Their pure was not colour but they were religious.The only people today calling each other Arya and Warya are the Somali people of Somalia.
The original indigenous Indian are the dark melanin ones who are discriminated and marginalized and the white Indians are the hybrid ones mixed with Europeans.
Every Indian discriminates "others"
@@outofturn331 nah there is a skin color related hierarchy. Only recently there might be some south indians being arrogant about being better educated but thats not to be taken seriously as really educated south indians would not discriminate.
Europeans???? Europe was non existance when steepes migrated to india, modern europeans are mix of steepe and native european hunter gatherer.They aren't steepe
@@binskee677 The skin colour related heierchy exist in every part of the world, even in europe. Northern Europeans discriminates southern ones. So don't blame india only
@@stephanatlas5331 dont go off topic I’m specifically mentioning what goes on in the deep root of India societies and it’s a fact!
So this is Aryan picnic theory! 😂
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Migration theory, not picnic.
Earlier it was called invasion, now it is considered a slow migration - that happened after IVC had already declined.
Aryan refugee theory
Migration theory Lacks Evidence @@mrgyani
In America they thought I was Spaniol. In India, Persian. I Malaysia, Punjabi.
My north eastern friend said no one believed in usa that he was indian
He was mistook as korean
@@michaeljosephjackson2364I live in the USA. No matter what you say, people will typecast you. I am fairly light skinned, but many people refuse to accept me as Indian because they believe if you are Indian you must be dark skinned. So I am not surprised about your friend.
@@michaeljosephjackson2364it shows that India influenced many different countries and spread Vedic knowledge throughout. Yet is cannot be accepted by the Europeans
@@AnnaJohnson-e7uVeda has knowledge?😂😂😂😂
We British came to India and it changed us too. We have many words from Hindi. Curry is said to be our favourite dish. Fashions, craft work and so on. I would like to think we gave things of value to India. It is more of a democracy than China.
I am confused! So, who were Aryans, Dravidians? Did they exist before these migrations? Or were they born after these migrations? 'Aryan' means those who worship Light or Fire! This word is found in our ancient scriptures. Also what about the Vedic culture? Who brought it? Who were our great Rishis? When and where did they come from? Tons and tons of knowledge from our ancient scriptures were taken away by those travellers who came to "Sone ki Chidia" and took the knowledge abroad! Many questions are not clear!
The word Aryan is sanskrit, meaning "civilized person", it has nothing to do with race.
Ancient tamil literature mentions Aryans are elephant herders and dancers on the rope nothing more.
it's Arya..... not Aryan
@@kartikshiroya2270Aryan is Tamil form for arya. Krishna is Krishnan in tamil
@@kartikshiroya2270 Doesn't matter , europeans created the term aryan based on refering the Arya in vedas
You are wrong steppe herders did not invent Sanskrit it was derived from Prakrit The Language used by The ASI And ANI People.
The IVC was a indigenous,urban civilization with extensive international contact, trade and a sophisticated domestic manufacturing industry.
The Iranian hunter gathers are part of the out-of- Africa population that stopped short on Iran. The rest continued on towards India and beyond. So, essentially the hunter gatherers are the same affected by local genetics.
The ANI carries the Steppe ancestry. Post 1500bc
LIFE CAME OUT OF AFRICA. IT PROBABLY TOOK MILLIONS OF YEARS TO GO ROUND. BUT IT DID WENT ROUND. THAT FACT CANT BE RULED OUT no matter how you try to ignore it
I believe you are rewriting the history and you are wrong.
Brilliant, thank you. I have peace at last.
Ive been following this topic for 20 years...i got so fed up with arguments I stopped trying to understand who was right. Profound appreciations for such clarity. Great presentation, and editing of sooo much information.
Thank you for the kind words
-navin
can you please give the links of the researches and references you used to arrive at this conclusion...
The links are included in the video description
-navin
@@TheFutureIQ those are just book mentioned in in the video and other videos of yours... where are the research papers you mentioned...
@@RaviShankar-lz7fjsee tye reaserach papers of hapologroups in google search it and see the sample an average Tamil is very much different from a kuruvasnhi of north india cause .see the faces of north india and south india see theire faces are different and the north indians tend to be more shining and light in colour .
@@RaviShankar-lz7fj the books have it i guess
@@bhagathas3487if you know how to use an book index and it's bibliography. It used to be a skill. I wouldn't throw pearls to swine.
“Some of the started migrating into India?” Sir, India was a part of the Indus Valley. It was a large are that encompassed even a part of Afghanistan.
Only thing what we can sure about is that there were groups migrating to India and groups were migrating out of India. So both things happened.
Calling the original peoples as hunter gathers insinuates they are primitive. There’s evidence that Tamil is one of the oldest languages, and civilizations in South India for much longer than people realize, and cave art in Maharashtra that is even older than any of this. It could be that the “Hunter Gatherers” founded civilization in India, and their wealth drew immigrants in constant flows from the Middle East.
Ikr
@@sathishvijayan2160 Hunter gatherer isnt a ‘primitive’ term. Its just a way of life. That makes it no more or less primitive than agriculturists, lets say. Hunting and gathering food is the common way of living for almost every animal. There still are many tribes across the world which depend not on agriculture but on hunting, they have survived through just as many thousands of years as have the agriculturists, it is just as valid as any other mode of living. They have just as rich a culture and tradition. Hunting-gathering doesnt make them more or less of a developed human, thats just the pov of people who think of themselves as superior, living in a ‘developed’ world.
@Namse21 ok so your ancestors might be hunter gatherers,ours were exploring the origin of the universe and writing the Vedas but not hunting and gathering
@@AJJYTHEGREAT ok? great? you think thats a diss??? even the ‘writers of the vedas’ and the PIEs had ancestors that were hunting gathering based. The first human species were hunter gatherers and even our species was hunter gatherer for majority of its span here on earth.
(homo sapiens evolved around 250k years ago and agriculture was invented 12k years ago, so yeah for 230-240k years, every human was hunter-gatherer.)
@Namse21 we are talking about a specific period of history here, not about the whole human civilization
This video is a must watch for all ultra hindu nationalists , as well as all racist people who claim some unscientific bullshit that supports their world views. Thanks a lot for creating such videos. India is in severe need of scientific thought.
You can't argue with people blinded by their faith. These people have been brainwashed into thinking that their land, people and culture was directly created by god, and has been the same since the beginning of time. This video is simply a lie for them.
Why a must watch? Do you have the scholarly temperament to evaluate is claims?
According to this man Brahmin s are having steppe DNA then why they were not survived in steppe. This man is sure shot leftist mindset and mixing all scientific studies for his agenda.
I.e Nort Indian vs dravidian
@@sanjayp251 What agenda? Have you done your own DNA test?
@@jaychetra3250 A DNA test would be enough then
Random question, why did the stepp herders travel without women? Like, if they wanted to migrate to another land and procreate there, why did they leave the women behind? Or more like, what exactly was their intention of migration?
This type of debate always get the North Indians upset. Lol
Vedic Aryans were fish eating Brahmins who lived along saraswati river and migrated after saraswati dried up
That's why western steppe people eat fish and mostly Irish people were high fish eaters we can see Irish admixture in brahmins
Brahmin is a Varna/occupational group and the DNA of Brahmins of different regions differ significantly, e.g. the R1a (or Aryan gene) is highest in Northern Brahmins and it decreases considerably as we move down South India. In short, Brahmins aren't a homogenous group.
If sanskrit language originated in India why it doesn't have its own script. Why sanskrit language is written in regional languages script.
Because it was an oral language, It's original script is dead
In general, the scripts and writing develop much later than spoken languages. Also most languages can be written in multiple scripts. For example you can write English in Devnagari and Hindi in Latin script.
So, europe or central Asia have sanskrit script??? 😂
Because you favourite one in which language you have written they burnt and mughals also burnt the books especially Nalanda ka Naam Suna hai
@@cringekiller348sanskrit is Estonian Latvia east Russian origin
Areyy yaarr bich mein 'haaan', 'yes', correct bolna jaroori hai? Very annoying. Let the guest speak with the flow.
I think the male dominance of steppe herders in the North and their overrepresentation in higher casts might also argue for a violent take-over, followed by intermixing, as discussed for the Anglo-Saxon immigration into England. What is your view?
Nice explanation of this complex issue, but I have a minor miffs with their details.
1. The terms ANI and ASI are largely outdated and rarely used today (except in India). David Reich, in his book "Who We Are and How We Got Here" (p. 197), acknowledged that their use was a sort of political compromise in 2008. The more appropriate terms are:
a. AASI (Ancestral Ancient South Indians - although it should have been Ancestral Indians, as they were not limited to South India)
b. Indus Periphery (a mix of East-Iran-HG-Farmers and AASI)
c. Steppe Herders
d. Austro-Asiatic (Munda)
2. The presentation also assumes that the Indus Valley people moved to North India first, and then later moved into South India. There is evidence of Indus Valley connections with the Southern Neolithic (3000 BCE) in the Deccan Plateau much earlier than their movement into the lower Gangetic plains after the demise of the IVC.
3. The presentation assumes that Dravidians and AASI are synonymous, which is far from settled. Based on recent genetic and linguistic evidence, it is more likely that Dravidian was one of the dominant languages of the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) and moved to South India along with pastroagriculturalism. We perhaps lost the pre-Dravidian languages of AASI people, as happened with the other hunter-gatherer languages around the world.
4. Most early Indologists were not particularly religious. The first significant proponent of the Caucasian origin for Indo-European languages was Johann Georg von Hahn, a German linguist and Orientalist. In his 1854 work "Albanesische Studien," Hahn proposed the Caucasus as the homeland of Indo-European languages. His research was scholarly and academic, based on linguistic, geographical, and historical evidence, rather than religious motivations. And with the latest research, his conjectures appear to be prophetic.
5. How did the Steppe population come to dominate language, genes, and culture without the use of force or invasion?
Thanks for the detailed comment
-navin
great reply😃👍
So, if people came to India and mixed with the local people, who are the original local people?
The land was empty, no body there. This is his assumption.
@@kanaka108shit assumption it's already debunked after ancient stone tools,paintings excavated from place near present day chennai which give a range 1.5 lakh to 3.5 lakh years ago .Either the arayan invasion or picnic therory is false or carbon dating is absolute rubbish (humans lived near Chennai,india before 1.5 lakh years not migrated 75000 years ago as so)
@@kanaka108see only people who have not colonized by colonizers is india eg us (red indians) wiped out,South American natives wiped out and Australian aboriginal wiped out less than few lakhs of them survive and only place were they survived is Africa so if that's so then humans may either arrived in india from Africa and moved out form different races and also may be humans were native to indian and moved out of india to form chinese,Europeans,middle East etc
Those people that are referred to as steppe people was actually scythians who originated from Siberia and went west all the way to Germany and France definitely not Caucasian
Tamils are the oldest origin on the planet Earth....the Creators.....
Very good analysis and very informative way of explaining with full engaged.😊
Was india a empty land before hunters? No! Tamils are the original people of india!
The hunter gatherers were the first no other humans were there before. You came from those people don't you get it.
Exactly. People just started coming to this magical land from everywhere. Lmao.
In reality Bharat is a very diverse land and Matarbhumi (Mother) Bharat has many Races and loves them equally. However, most Indians belong to the Aryan Race. The Aryan Race is indigenous to Northwestern Indian subcontinent and touching Central Asia and then moved Westwards and Southwards. Forensic genetics is very accurate but racial genetics a nascent subjective discipline is inaccurate and easy to fix for an agenda. Rigveda and Avesta are very nearly the same and our Iranians cousins are Aryans as well. Some foreigners want to remove the word Aryan from our planet or change its meaning: I am Darius, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many people
The king of this expansive land,
The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid,
Persian, the son of a Persian,
'Aryan', from the Aryan race
"From the Darius the Great's Inscription in Naqshe-e-Rostam"
Max Muller came from Germany. He was a scholar at Oxford and his subject was Sanskrit. We have Max Mueller Bhavan all over India which is promoting German language and not Sanskrit. He never came to India.
Yep. He never put one foot on Indian soil, but he was an "expert", lol. 😂
First he debunks and then finally comes to the same AIT theory 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No chance !
Keezhadi excavations DNA have proved that - no DNA entered indian subcontinent from last 15,000 years
Period ! ( pun intended ) 😂
YES true. Most of these TH-cam Theorists are not true
@@sanjayb4159 you’re incorrect. Vageeshs paper from 2019 which is heavily cited shows a migration into India in the 2nd millennia bce from the central steppe Asians.
The keezhadi excavations are dated to the 6th or 5th century bce, well after the Aryan migration. Where are you getting that keezhadi predates aryan migration and show no dna into India for 15k years ?
@@vipassana123 read all my other comments in the section for more analysis and then you may make more comprehensive reply
@@sanjayb4159 you’re comments aren’t comprehensive nor can I find them. Please refute my points
Then where did steppe dna come from and why is it highest in Ror? And please don't say that's scythians cause the eastern scythians were mongoloid shifted while western scythians were European shifted. Ror have DNA from none of those populations.
From this interview, I get the idea that the DRAVIDIANS SEEM TO BE NATIVE TO INDIA FOR THEY CAME FROM THE FIRST WAVE OF OUT OF AFRICA.
"Out Of Africa" theory was well framed by Whiteman.
Another case of challenges with listening comprehension
TAMIL people were called Dravidian by English men. The world Dravidian came from TAMIL word Thiruveedan means faithful and sacred Powerful men. Thiruveedan= Thiruvidan, Dravidan, becomes Dravidian, all ian, ism, ic comes from English. Indian, Dravidian Hinduism, islamism, vedic, islamic. Before , in ancient time we don't have papers and books nor photography. we don't have scripts, alphabets or letters. TAMIL language is the First, oldest, finest, sweetest and beautiful language and the first classical language in the world with the richest culture and highest civilisation and wonderful literature. God creates people of same colour the brunette colour first then the black, red , white and the yellow coloured skin people. The first world was TAMIL ruled by Paradan Emperumal (Paradan emperor, Baradan, Barad, Barat today india is Barath from the Parada Nadu. He , Paradan Emperumal with his eight sons and one daughter ruled also the Submerged TAMIL Continent Kumari kandam. Later his descendants went round the world, the Three crowned Tamil kings Sozhan ( Chola ) Cheran ( Chera ) Pandiyan ( Pandyan ) At that time we don't have God with Animals head. Rven indu Valley was not called indu. It was called Sindurai same as Madurai. In Tamil we don't put ' S' for Pluriel, only English put S . Indus, vedas, TAMIL put ' Gal ' Tamizhargal and the country was called Parada Nadu abd Tamizhagam or Tamizhaga Nadu. ( Or Tamizh Nadu) Water supply system in Sindurai ( indus) Valley Civilisation is the same as in South India, ( Tehn Barath) and specifically in Today Tamil Nadu. The TAMIL Thiruveedan ( Dravidian). Agriculture is from the Thiruveedan now in Tamil Nadu. New tech in agriculture is from the South india. Hindi, Urdu Persian, islamic, European languaged were not existent in the ancient Time. Nandri. 2.B C.........
‘native’ and ‘india’ are funny terms that you use that probably wont be recognised at all by people you are referring to. The initial ancestor DNA component in South Indians is greater, yes, but they do have other traces of DNA too, which doesnt make them any more native to the land than the north indians.
Native word is generally used in English for people of a land existing before colonisation and resettling of that land by oppressive regimes.
As the Dna evidence suggests however, the waves of people coming into the subcontinent werent colonisers looking to oppress but normal people looking to settle and intermarry the earlier civilisations. They are the ancestors of most south indians as well.
Well kinda trur yeah ......
every single Languages people in India have land inside India.
Bengali have Bengal..
rajasthani have rajasthan..
kanndan have kannada
Telugu have Telugu.
tamilanu have Tamil...
😂😂😂😂😂😂but
Sanskrit have invasion theory. only..
no land.. because their came From europe via Kaiper Polen ..
No one created ved, ved came from our bhagwan 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Clear explanations. Bravo. Well done. Plz continue your work. Love from Sri Lanka 😊
Only one question. Since you mentioned the DNA only consists of male DNA. Its clear evidence of an invasion. If its a migration DNA should contain female DNA as well. Or according to your explanations only males had intermarried with ANI ?
1000%!!!! I noticed that too!!! It seems like he's trying to say there was no invason when the Mtdna and the Dna in the people in some parts of India shows there was an invasion!!!
@@khem127 Yeah that's the case . I think because of popular narrative these days people trying to be politically correct. The represent evidence shows there were numerous invasions, according to my understanding I think many Tribes came from the north and settled in Gangetic plain and founded 16 mahajanapadas.People can call it migrations but native people won't welcome outsiders gently. So Aryans had to fight with the locals. They were one of the best archers and horse riders. Warfare is not a new thing for them.
Very nicely done guys. Probably the most well-presented overview of Indian genetic ancestry I've come across.
Thanks for the kind and sincere appreciation. We hope we can keep bringing more such detailed videos to you. - Team FIQ
They are telling Britishers are your father and you are simply accepting without any research. Just think once, in these kind of theories why always foreigners are always coming to India and why not Indians were not gone to eastern world. They are just bluffing. Just think this way, if Indians gone to steppeherd world and they given birth to many babies and brought back their babies to India, then also same DNA patterns will come. Ok
@@k.dineshkannana.kesavarama7749😂😂😂 omg...the hate for British is clouding your rational mind...
There is no DNA evidence of your theory hence it wasn't the case. Abd ut doesn't make sense for people to migrate somewhere and to come back
@@pari0088 you love Britishers, no problem for me. Have you done any excavation under the oldest cities like Kasi in India, it may reveal our forefathers were not hunter gathers but a highly developed human beings. Excavations in the remote areas will definitely say you are the descendents of hunter gathers. DNA will not reveal the cultural heritage.
@@pari0088 Those who love Britishers will definitely accepted that Peter's theory,😂😂😂😂. I'm proud Bharatiya.
The 2019 paper has several shortcomings, where the authors have used substiution method to prove their hypothesis.
For example, there is no evidence of haplogroup R1a1 in African people, where Indians from South or North India have it as a dominant genetic marker. Also means that the initial hypothesis that African people came to India 65,000 years ago is doubtful.
On a general note, the into-India-migration theory has another flaw. A few thousand people came to India where they multiplied at 5 times the rate as compared to back home, whether in Africa or Europe. Such divergence in population growth is unrealistic. Instead, what it means is that majority of Indians are local to Bharat, and only a few came from outside. For the few (African herdsmen or European nomads) to have compiled vedic hyms while being on the move all the time is also unrealistic.
Great points. 😊👍
No one knows who the Aryans were. The word Aryan is recorded in text, two times in history-on the grave of Darius where it was written “I am an Aryan” and in the Vedas. That means the Aryans had a connection to Persia and India. There is no evidence that shows that they could have been from anywhere else.
He said at 16:19 that the ARYANS were the Steppe herders , but that he did not to call them Aryans because of the racist connotations.
:The meaning of ARYAN is indo-european. (*Merriam Webster, Google)
Aryan in sankrit is an adjectif not a race. Means noble.
what is the evidence of
1. Step -herders' language is a precursor to Sanskrit? Did they write books in steps that they carried? Are these books/inscriptions found in the present steps region? What script did they have?
2. Step-herders' religion being a precursor to Vedic religion?
That part of the video was ridiculous. Steppe herders (barbarians) brought language and religion to a population that had been settled for thousands of years and was more advanced....that doesn't make any sense.
It's a fact. Their lifestyle is perfectly described in the old Sanskrit texts.
@@loksterization is it not possible at all, that they (steps folks) immigrated and adopted local culture and professions to survive? A Lot of Indian programmers migrate to the US and adopt the American lifestyle. Does that mean they brought programming to the US??
Try to find objective evidence of Sankrit already existing in the steps region. Without that, it is a sloppy argument.
@@blueSkyIs1 you don't understand. These Sanskrit texts talk in detail about the steppes where they came from. Facts are facts, this is not ideology.
@@loksterization Please post evidence and texts. And how you came to conclusion that they talk about Steps
Also, very important! Why steps people don't take about their own place in Sanskrit that they are supposed to have been espoused??
He is distorting evidence to prove his Hindutva 😅bullshit
i see no hindutva is happy with what he say
What? Hindutva bullshit here would Out Of India Theory, which is explicitly stated as clearly wrong. Even westerners agree that there was very little violence, and more a gentle and slow migration and mixing.
In old times people used to go from place to place. I am from Bihar but my family ancestry is from Haryana and beyond that too we know that Haryana is also not our origin place. But my family isn't sure from where we came to Haryana. This happened may be 1000 years ago. We do carry family tree and have data that once we used to live in Haryana and slowly kept migrating along ganga river and finally settled in Bihar.
Couple of interesting inferences.
1. Stepp herders migrated without women? Or perhaps had strict rule to not have women mix outside of their community?
2. 100 AD is when someone came up with the strict jaati/varna system, which also aligned with approximate dating of Manu Smriti.
1. Okay, that's an interesting perspective! My personal hypothesis is that it was probably migration in search of a better life - education, trading, work, etc. You know, similar to how people from rural areas migrate to urban locations? Or people from the global south migrate to the developed nations? But your theory of women being *made* to stay behind also meshes well with a (possibly) patriarchical society. Hmm, will have to look more into it! Thanks for the food for thought! :)
2. Yeah, that's sounds about right. Our hypothesis is that both - the rigidity of caste/jaati/varna and the documentation of it via the Manusmriti - may have begun happening around the same time. One fed the other, which fed back into the first, creating a feedback loop that strengthened a vague, loose concept into a rigid principle. Hypothesis, of course! :)
- Shrikant
Why do you say Indian origin and not north indian? Because people speaking dravid language, the central indian tribes like mundari language and of course North East Indians except the Assamese people?
Like the white Brits you too want to show that the fairer north indians are original indian.
exactly
Mostly all the states in north india are mixed blood and these people only speaks hindi and they forgotten theyre own tribal original languages.
@@Ashthebadthegoodhumans livedd near present day chennai for as long 3.5 lakh years because new findings cave paintings and stone tools and bone fragments hence out of Africa theory of 75000 years into india is fake
Entire theory is a figment of imagination, essentially based on British historians and their time line. He has just altered the Aryan invasion theory as it doesn't stand test of scrutiny.
Why there are little trace of Sanskrit & Vedic culture in lands whose people are supposed to have brought them to India. After all only a handful were supposed to have migrated.
Migration is not always one way, it happens both ways over a long period.
Brahmins not only of different parts of India possess different physical features, but of the same location also.
The astrological events mentioned in Mahabharata dates back to 4000 BC and chariots of Sanauli are supposed to be 3800 yrs old, which doesn't match with his chronology.
Besides, a society which at least about 2500 yrs ago, already had such advance knowledge of astrology, medicine, economics and law, ought to have continued for far longer than claimed in this video.
He has just tried to draw a line between right and left..
Man you are so confusing early dwapar yuga brahmins are indigenous kalyuga brahmins are from europe 😂😂😂
Cause we Indians are zagros also zagros or iran people were very intelligent
Brahmins have r1a
yes True we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis. The Gap between Sanskrit and The proposed migration, No archeological evidence of migration/invasion, Theory id 87% Based on Language words "matches" And not on Archeological. pre vedic Tools, pottery styles were Already Found in IVC way before 2300 BC. Lastly Researches Done by IIT and Other anthropological units internations Found Cultural contiunity rather than Big migration
@@anandpandeya5727 you’re incorrect on several fronts.
there is tons of traces and commonalities between sanskrit / vedic culture outside of India and in the Central Steppe/central Asia area. For example: cremation, Soma, horse worship, horse domestication, nomadic tribal living, and chariots. That’s because steppe people / bmac culture brought some of these ideas to India through migration and trade.
You are also grossly misinformed about the Sinauli burial . The sinauli chariot is dated to around 1900 bce. Astrological math is not evidence by any means. Where are you getting that it’s dated to 3800 bce ?
Aryan doesn't mean white or Caucasian. Aryan were people of color out of Iran.
What does Aryan mean ?
@@realSamarthT Aryan's were people with dark hue,not Caucasian. They take ancient names also symbols like the swastika to represent themselves when in reality it never was a part of their culture.
@@ismaelhassan9086 i am asking meaning of that word and root word
My grandfather used to tell us stories about how a sheep hurder came with his sheep down in the valley to feed them and married there. There were two peoples pastoral and agrar
What type of history it is
Where south Indian were mentioned as native hunter and gathers
Purposefully _ Keeladi excavation finding were skipped which say there was a parallel advanced civiliazation in TamilNadu
How you missed the reserach article _ which states that Indus ppl spoke protodravidian languages more inclined to Tamil
I need a reply for these , or you make seperate video ; dont hide facts
Where is the proof that Harrappans spoke proto Dravidian ?
Incorrect, the keeladi excavation is dated to around 500 bce, hundreds of years before the aryan migration
@@technoyamraj research paper has come , go and read
@@Criticsyou give the link of the research paper
@@technoyamraj i have read long back , study Iq has put video on it
U can check in youtube
Why you call your self as Aryan. Who are other
Not other,Real aryan word only found in Hindu text and ancient Iranian texts, europeans copied it from India
There has always been a tendency for usurpers, outsiders in any area, to claim that they always lived there, specially with small abodes and shops!
Obviously they have been planted there by big goons!
Supported by corrupt officials!
What about words words in non hindu text?.......talking about other races?
How do yall feel knowing your ancient ancestors came out of Africa??? 🤷🏽♀️😂😂😂
It's the same for Native American. My 2 DNA (2015 & 2023) have no genetic markers for Asian or Siberian. 100% Navajo. Some Christian faiths believe we are the lost tribe of Isreal. Or that we were introduced to Judaism before colonial. And that Jesus came to the Americas to teach us Christianity during the 3 days after his death. 😂
we have evidences which predates Both Aryan migration theory and AIT. And I didn't talk about OIT in first place. UP findings near IVC unearthed Chariots, helmets, Swords etc tracks back to 2000 BCE or More. Which predates All the migration hypothesis.
Incorrect, the UP findings(Sinauli chariot) is dated to 1900 bce and has a cart (not a spoked wheeled chariot like the aryans)
Even then, 1900 falls in line with the Aryan migration (starting around 2000 bce) and they could’ve been early central Asian immigrants before spoked wheeled and horse chariots were created
NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@vipassana123 NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@vipassana123 NO, its is Dated 2000 BC in upper bonds and UP findings are not only evidence we have.. Study done by US,ohio uni of human sciences and IIT, ASI shows NO evidence of a migration coming to indian subcontinent OVER 8000 year SPAN
@@vipassana123 No, pls be updated in New terms and reports which come over
Bro how you do your research, pls shed some light on that also/ would love to know
A lot of it is following the right people on social media, and subscribing to the right substacks. Those give initial ideas, which I follow up by reading the relevant research articles on Google scholar or sci-hub or libgen
-navin
@@TheFutureIQ acha! Good to know👍. Ty
@@TheFutureIQ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The geological history states that the Indian sub continent was separated from African continent and moved towards the Asian Continent, thereby the Himalayan Mountain was formed. In the explained event there's a chance the humans existed in the Indian sub continent too. The Western country people always say that they are superior which isn't correct. Each and every individual has got intelligence which can't be ruled out. As far as our Hinduism is concerned the four varnas were from the same family that one person who was indulged in prayers was a bramhin and his other sibling who was looking after the safety of the family was Kshatriya, the next sibling who was indulged in trading of their products was vaisya and the next sibling who was indulged in agriculture was shoodra as such there was no caste in existence at all in sanatan dharma or Hinduism. The Britishers who came to india for business invaded and ruled India during that point of time they had divided our systems as caste. The Western people don't consider our Puranas (History), Vedas (Science and Technology) in such an event how to believe that Aryans came to Indian sub continent from the West and they taught us everything. The invaders to our country had made our life miserable. We are all one, we have our own history in the farm of folklore, puranas, vedas etc., if the government thinks to make a detailed study of our archeological survey etc, then the world will know the truth. It's very much evident that our country had very good and world class universities in which many foreigners had studied and passed out successfully. The world famous Nalanda University was set fire by the invader Khilji. Our education system was spoiled by Macaulay.
4:56 correction. This country was not on any map, and there was no nation, no language. The alphabet is half cirylic half latin, the spoken language is made of all the surrounding languages, manly russian and polish. The name of the synthetic "country" literally means a cut-off piece of land between 2 strong countries. It gained land for itself because of a certain politician, who was a khazarian zionist and even now nobody can figure out why he did that, altho there are theories.
Very interesting and informative!
Can you please include North-Eastern cultures as well in this account, as that is an interesting part of Indian history often left out.
Unfortunately, the research papers that I used for this video excluded Tibeto-Burman and Austro-Asiatic DNA from their analysis-because they wanted to focus on the larger populations. As a result, unfortunately, Northeast India has been left out of this analysis. I'm sorry about that.
I am looking for literature on the DNA of Northeast Indians and if I find enough material, will try to put it up somewhere
-navin
First, stop calling North-Eastern, instead of people of Northern South East Asia. Have we given you a label that wipes out your identity?
Almost every Indians(Barring Austro Asiatic Munda Tribes and North Eastern Tribals) r descendents of 3 main ancestry groups.
1)AASI(ANCIENT ANCESTRAL SOUTH INDIANS) or SAHG(SOUTH ASIAN HUNTER GATHERER)-first Indians or native Indians
2)IRANIAN NEOLITHIC FARMERS/ZAGROSIAN NEOLITHIC FARMERS(most prominent ancestry and somehow underrated, this group mixed with AASI and formed Indus valley civilization)
3)STEPPE/YAMNAYA PASTORALIST(this group is called Aryan and credited to bring Indo Aryan Language Sanskrit from which most North Indian language r descended from)
Although proportions of ancestry based on caste and regions r different but in total every Indian group has these 3 ancestry.
So nobody today is Mulniwasi
north eastern people generally have tibeto-burmese ancestery. they also have austro asiatic component.
i dont know why so many northeast people believe they have mongolian ancestery. actually, the mugal emperors have direct lingeage to Mongols, although mixed with turks. so there could be some mongol and turks lineage too brought by the mugal invasion.
But how you prove sanskrit made by Aryans what is proof??
@@StarnikBayley Mongols and turks not have any difference bro they both have one ancestry
@@SpecialGlobalTalksSanskrit is the language of Vedic culture no one made it
The word Aryan is wrongly used as such a race never existed. Sanskrit was derived from Indian languages mainly south Indian languages. Kannada is mostly Sanskrit itself.
Please show us Sanskrit evidence before 900 AD? donot put artificial language sanskrit in our bucket. we are the follower of Pali & Prakrat and today local languages.
Then why do bramhin consider themselves upper castes and what they are looking different from adivasi and Dalits?
be mixing stopped 2000 yrs back
Did you watch the video? He explained exactly this point.
Did you watch the video?
Becoz they thought themselves as superior race and created society structures
@@beinghuman852and everyone accepted it lol
Great Video Guys. Loved the historical precision and transparency between the facts and subjectivisms. Although I have one question, I feel like you guys missed on the part where we see early stone age people in south India over 1.5 million years ago ? We have stone tool evidence in Attirampakam, Tamil Nadu from around 1.5 million years which are also the oldest found stone tools in India if I'm not wrong. I wonder where these early stone age people fit into your timeline ? Certainly there is a huge gap between 1.5 Mil years and the first mentioned 65,000 years. Would love to get that gap filled in this history of India timeline. Cheers!
There was a big volcanic eruption (Toba) 74000 years ago, which resulted in ash deposits all over the Indian subcontinent. There's no evidence that any humans in India survived this. As a result, any modern Indians are descended from humans who came after this and anything earlier is prehistory
-navin
@@TheFutureIQ Isnt there evidence from archaeological sites in India, such as Jwalapuram in Andhra Pradesh, suggests that human populations were present before, during, and after the Toba eruption
? Stone tools found in the layers of ash indicate continuous human occupation, suggesting that humans did survive the eruption and its aftermath.
It is possible. However, tracking DNA markers indicates that only approximately 10000 humans *worldwide* are supposed have survived the Toba eruption, most of them in Africa. While there are tools found before and after the ash in Jwalapura, no fossils have been found so we just can't be sure. In any case, even if some did survive, they don't appear to have a big impact on the DNA of the later Indians.
-navin
There was never anything found as evidence of 1.5 M yrs stone tools. This is more Southie fantasy.
Homo Sapiens came to existence around 300,000 years ago. Before that they were primitive humans, probably from other branches of human evolution . All of them extinct due to various reasons. The last known species closest to humans/ Homo Sapiens were Neanderthals and never lived in Indian subcontinent. There for, what you have stated is a false narrative. I don’t think your claim is a pier reviewed genuine research.
Please tell us when exactly all Vedas written and which group influenced to write it?
Search Sanskrit was first found in
Aryans, whom he call Steppe Herders.
He clearly told that it was Steppe Herders
And Brahmins or so so called upper casts are having dense indus and ancestral hunters DNA 🧬. This is messed up than GOT
Actually konw one khows, there are so much speculation and most of this part written during mughal period
I still don’t accept that it wasn’t an invasion, I mean, it wasn’t one Aryan emperor doing a genocide against the locals, I think that the aryan settlers individually would attack one village, kill or enslave the men and marry the women, that’s why the male DNA is foreign and the female DNA is local. The culture remained the same as the women still taught their children their own culture and language. And the aryans may not have expanded for territory, but time to time when space ran out, they would attack the neighbouring villages.
I’m saying that because the at was the way it was throughout the world, and India can’t have been an exception
Intersting, but there is still one question. Why is there so little evidence of mitochondrial DNA from the step herders? It would mean that almost just males from this group arrived. And those guys certainly didn't go to a distanst place to throw a big bachelor party, if you know what i mean...
Well in that case, the first group to come to india can call themselves as natives. But now, no one is; however, if they have atleast 50+% of DNA matching with ancestral hunter gatherers, then they are clearly more closer to the native Indians. No wonder that cheras and pandyas are really old dynasties, considering their symbols which are Bow and arrow, and fishes. Both of them belong to hunting/fishing community, whereas cholas were hunters too who embraced agriculture later. Makes sense of what tamil nationalists are shouting.
Your comment is a bit difficult to comprehend. Maybe try simplifying it.
@@jahnvisingh8015 so basically no one in India can actually say that they are natives of this land. But the pioneers of this land can claim themselves as native Indians. So, if someone has DNA that matches with ancestral hunter/gatherers(pioneers) atleast by 51% then they can actually claim themselves as actual natives of this land.
Regarding the cheras and pandyas, both of them belong to hunting clans(vedargal/meenavargal - hunter/fishermen). Chera's actual source for survival was hunting, hence, the symbol of their flag is 🏹. Similarly, pandyas actual source for survival was fishing, hence, the symbol of their kingdom is fishes. Both of them, have mentioned about Aryans and their dwelling.
Pandian king has a record of him when conquering the aryans. Hence he got the title, ARYAPADAIKADANDHA NEDUNCHEZHIAN - Nedunchezhian who conquered the aryan army. Similarly a chera king conquered himalayas after conquering the aryans, hence he took the title. Imayavaramban.
In manusmrithi: 2:21 says that Aryans were in between 2 mountains (Himalayas&vindhyas) and 2 oceans (eastern&western sea).
Supporting this statement, Tamil literature, Aganaanooru 398 says that himalayan region belongs to the aryans.
Another proof, padhittrupathu 11.
Also in Silapathigaram kaatchikadai,
Kongans, Kalingas(odissa), Karunadakas(karnataka-note that karunadakas at that time dwelled right below the vindhyas), Bengalis, Kangars(gangas) forgot about you and formed alliance with Aryans. You defeated those 1000 Aryan Kings on the banks of River Ganges.
This again proclaims the regions of aryan kingdom. Note the work "bank of river ganga".
All these geographical indications do serve as proof for this genetic study. Hope it helped.
@@whoops0 Your knowledge in this field is commendable, atleast to an individual like me, mostly ignorant to the history of the subcontinent south of the Vindhyas. Would you consider recommending books on the Cheras, Pandyans, Chalukyas, Rashtrakutas, Wodiyars, Pallavas, maybe the slightly less advanced ones.
Being from the north of India, I have always felt a sense of fascination for Tamil culture and been intrigued by stories which encapsulate its glorious past, ever since my visit to the charming city of Madurai. The phonetic beauty of the language (I really wish I could learn it some day), the fragrant cuisine, the marvels of the temple architecture and of course, the splendid sonic experience of the echoing nadhaswaram in the temples, everything is vividly engraved in my memory.
@@jahnvisingh8015 thank you so much. But sadly iam not aware of a 1 particular book that talks about these kingdoms that u have mentioned.. Instead, I could recommend u 1 of the oldest literature in tamil. It is called Silapathigaram. Silapathigaram means the story of an anklet. This book is atleast 1900 to 2000 years old. It contains of a story of a couple who leaves chola kingdom, they try to settle on pandyas kingdom(where the husband dies), and then later the wife moves to chera kingdom. So this book, tells the story of environmental situations of ancient tamilagam. It is to be noted that this book was written by Chera prince who left his royalty and embraced Buddhism. However, this book is not in favour of any religion or kingdom, neither it is against them as all religions of ancient tamilagam(Aaseevagam, Samanam(jainism), boutham(budhism), vydheegam(veda religion Or vainavism) and shaivism) are praised. So this book will give you the idea how a layperson's life was in ancient tamilagam.
Book: THE CILAPPATIKARAM OF ILANKO ATIKAL, An Epic of South India, translated, with an introduction and a postscript by R. Paarthasarathy.
This book is also available in Hindi.
Puranaanooru = Puram(outside) + naanooru(400)
Aganaanooru = Agam(Inside) + Naanooru(400)
These 2 books have 400 poems each. Puranaanooru talks about a life-outside of the person's body. It includes poems of Kings and kingdoms, nature, wars, and general people's life.
Aganaanooru is talks about the life-inside of a person's body, which includes love life, person's relationship, person's feeling of other things around him. If you wanna learn about tamil people's culture, then these books are good.
BOOK;
1. THE FOUR HUNDERED SONGS OF WAR AND WISDOM, an anthology of poems by classical tamil, the puranaanooru. Translated and edited by George. L. Hart and Hank Heifetz.
I'm sorry, I couldn't get aganaanooru.
Thirdly, the most famous tamil literature, Thirukural, is composed by thiruvalluvar. It is his statue on the sea, you'll see when you google search kanyakumari. This book contains of 1330 statements, with each statement having 7 words(4 in the first line, 3 in the second line). Has 133 chapters with each chapter having 10 kurals/statements hence the 1330. This book is divided into 3 parts: Aram (virtue) 38 chapters, Porul (wealth) 70 chapters, inbam/kaaman (love) 25 chapters.... All these parts are beautiful to read. They are very simple for a layman to understand. You also get books separately for each part. So this book is about ethical philosophy.
If you wanna read the whole thirukkural, I'd suggest you this book. PEARLS OF WISDOM FROM CLASSIC TAMIL SERIES THIRUKURAL - DR. Anaivaariyar.
If you just wanna read the 3rd part, which is awesome id say, try reading THE BOOK OF DESIRE by meena kandaswamy.
And there are hell lot of works in tamil literature. Whatever I gave you is less than 5%. And there are still hell lot of manuscripts which are not translated yet. But i think whatever I gave you is enough to get u started. And whatever I gave you are atleast 1900-2000 years old. So they are like legit solid tamil contexts. But i dont I'm the right person to recommend you books about rashtrakutas and chalukyas Or the wodeyars. I cannot read or understand old kannada and sanskrit. Also there is a small problem here. For example, rashtrakutas reigned for 220 years. So it is difficult for me to get books that were written during this short period of time. Similarly with chalukyas who ruled 200 and 200 years. Their history if complicated as kept having territory conflicts with the cholas. Wodeyars are a totally new kingdom which sprouted at the beginning of 15th century. So i couldn't get a kannada-only-culture. It was easy for me to tamil literature because Chola, pandya and chera dynasties ended only in 13th century AD, 14th century AD and 12th century AD respectively. None of these kingdoms starting period could be found as their origin goes back very past in history that they are considered as legends. For example, pandyan and cheras are even found in Mahabharata. Meenakshi was a pandyan princess this was mentioned in Mahabharata. Because cheras chola pandyas ruled consistently for so long, I was able to handpick the literature easily that are at least 2000 years old. So please ask a kannada scholar or student regarding kannada/telugu literature. Regarding pallavas, you don't have to worry about them. Because pallavas are branch of cholas. This is found in Silapathigaram. When a chola prince married a Naga princess in srilanka, the pallava dynasty was found. Pallavas braced sanskrit unlike chera chola and pandyas who patronized tamil. Because they embraced sanskrit hence their name "Pallava" Which literally means "branch". Their stories are mostly found in temple inscriptions.
@@whoops0 Thank you so much for taking out the time to write such a comprehensive response. I will try my best to read all your recommendations, hopefully obtaining a novel perspective of the beauteous Tamil culture.
One question...before hunter gatherers who were here?
Wild animals. As far as we know, all humans originated from Africa, and the ancient hunter gatherers were the first group of people that came to the Indian subcontinent.
😂 No one ( means no human), Only Animals...
Me😃
@@gjl1211 Dinosaurs
We were at all times Homo sapiens.
I'm not an expert on any of the subjects discussed. India that is Bharat.
May i suggest that [1]you use the words like Northern India and Southern India rather than North and South India.
[2] Suggest dropping the use of the word 'caste' and use words like 'social segments', as the word 'caste' appeared just 250 years by the Colonists.
[3] The civilisation that developed on the banks of the Saraswati River, dispersed/ resettled in many directions, after the sudden drying up due to tectonic plate events.
[4] The anomaly of same DNA patterns found amongs brahmins (vedic sanatan) and some tribals like Gonds (animists), etc
[5] The mythical origin of the Abrahamic Religion from Abraham & Sarah and (a)brahm & Sara(wati). Uncanny simililarity!!!
[6] it would be preferred to use the word central-asian rather that Cacausian.
[7] The discovery of religio artifacts around the Globe, similar to the ones found in Bharat.
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The linguistic link between Abraham Brahma and Sarah Saraswati tickled me. Aurobindo had argued I may misrecall that the foreign gid of ecstacy Dionysus was etymologically linked to the Deus if Nyssa in India. And it's followers bacchants to the bahkti tradition of the lord siva