Huge Argument: Who was better, Ronnie or Dorian?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- 1:30 - CHRIS IN MADRID
3:57 - MILOS GOING TO DO STEM CELL
6:55 - RUBIEL IS THE NEXT SHOCK TO BODYBUILDING
13:59 - RUBIEL POSING LOOKED LIKE A SEASONED PRO
17:09 - WHAT IS CHRIS RESPONSIBLE FOR WITH RUBIEL'S PROGRESS AND TRAINING
18:22 - WHAT DOES DEXTER THINK OF RUBIEL
19:37 - RUBIELS LEGS
24:58 - HAVE DENNIS AND DEXTER EVER TALKED UP A GUY BEFORE LIKE RUBIEL
26:17 - COULD RUBIEL BEAT SAMSON
27:08 - WHO IS THE BEST BODYBUILDER
34:31 - NICK WALKER COMPARED TO RUBIEL
37:17 - SAMSON HAS A BETTER SHAPE
41:27 - WHO HAD THE BETTER BACK, RONNIE OR DORIAN?
49:20 - WAS RONNIE'S BODY TAMPERED WITH
51:28 - DID CHRIS HAVE THE LEAST TAMPERED WITH BODY\?
56:16 - MILOS SAYS HE HAD THE WORST INJECTION JOB IN ARMS
57:55 - WHO DO THEY THINK IS ENTERING THE ARNOLD CLASSIC
1:00:40 - IS SAMSON DOING TOO MUCH?
1:04:52 - DEXTERS ABSOLUTE BEST SHOW
1:07:24- HOW OLD IS CHRIS
1:10:30 - CHRIS SELFIE
1:11:35 - DID DEXTER ACTUALLY DIET
1:14:50 - WHERE CAN RUBIEL PLACE AT THE OLYMPIA
1:27:33 - OLD SCHOOL TRAINING CAMP
1:32:39 - RUBIEL GUEST POSING
What a podcast, people you don’t want to miss this one 💪
I love it it is so great
Great episode. Hilarious everyone teaming up on Milos about Neckzilla then everyone teaming up on Chris about Dorian over Ronnie😂😂
Chris knows better than Dex and the others because he competed against Ronnie and Dorian. Even Kevin Levrone was asked by Dave Palumbo if Dorian with no injuries would be able to win in 98 and he said “i think so , because i saw how both look like” i love Ronnie but the quality of Dorian and the proportions were in a level that will never be reached again
@@machine380 also, kevin thinks that his closest 2nd place was against ronnie, and he did not think that he was going to win against dorian
@@machine380and Steve the head judge he knows better than Chris or Kevin and bro Milos he ask Steve the head judge Ron 98 or Dorian or jay or lee and he said probably Ron 98 and I love Dorian to death Steve he chose ron
@@HardDispositionbro Steve he know more than both of them and bro Milos he ask Steve the head judge Ron 98 or Dorian or jay or lee and he said probably Ron 98 and I love Dorian to death Steve he chose ron
@@machine380what proportions Dorian had? Overdeveloped back and insane conditioning but average legs? lol. Ronnie was overall more complete with even better structure.
I see Milos I click on the like button ...amazing podcast as usual
I re-discovered Milos this year and his voice plays non stop in my house with all the podcasts and interviews I play. So much so my girlfriend walked in one day heard him talking on a podcast and said "aren't you sick of this guy yet". Nope not at all.
@@Vault10131😂 Milo’s is now apart of your family
He always makes me LOL. "Which wrong person had him beating Samson? Which IDIOT?"
Ronnie wins -
1 Front Double
2 Rear double
3 Side Chest
Dorian wins -
4. Side Tricep
5. Front Lat
6. Rear Lat
7. Ab & Thigh
You forgot about the Most Muscular which Ronnie easily takes otherwise I agree with you.
@@Gnybr yes but doesnt dorian win the relaxed round? or posing rd?
when you factor those in also Yates wins overall
Most muscular wasn’t a mandatory in the 90’s @Gnybr
@@TheLusianPopa I'm not sure how to judge those rounds, so you may be right.
@@kieran_xcvi6636No it wasn't but it is today.
I love how Dennis rolls out a question and lets the crew fight. This was one of the funniest podcasts!!
Size Ronnie , conditioning Dorian
Yep, well said
I disagree
@@HenryGrudziadzJr big deal
I'm with Chris on this one. People are fed the whole "Ronnie is the goat" sht and they jump on the hype train because that's the general opinion. usually the same people don't know much about Dorian at all
Rubio was measured on Larry Wheels channel and his legs were 31 inches, calves were 21, waist was 35, biceps was 20.5 and neck was 20 inches.
21 inch calves are insane 😂😂
No way his legs are 41, you must mean 41
Surey his arms are bigger than 20.5. It doesn't seem so big for his size, maybe other pro's are lying about their measurements.
Did they measure him? I didn't even see it.
This pod had me crack’n like I’ve never ya’ll!!! You got to make this a monthly with all four at least!!! I’m telling ya’ll I listen 👂 to everyone’s Bodybuilding Podcast and this combo with you 4 was and is the best I have ever heard!!! Seriously. Got me laughing 😂 hysterically
DEX is making it funny as shit 🎉
@@faizasonyalindarats8484on the real Dexter needs to be on a pod! Dude is so classic
I never saw Ronnie in person in his prime but I saw Dorian in person up close and guest pose at the 1995 NPC Nationals in New Orleans…Dorian is and was the freakiest looking bodybuilder I’ve ever seen in person. He looked like those MuscleHedz cartoons they used to have in Flex magazine
Ronnie in person was something else didn’t even look human.
Saw Milos on TV at UFC fight on Saturday night sitting right up front at the cage. Lol.
Dexter is funny as hell, but for some reason every time he is on the show it's getting uncomfortably awkward. A friendly discussion is one thing, but he brings the hostile vibe...
Always
Because he's the only person in the IFBB who isn't an ass kisser and bullshitter.
dexter is 5 ft 6 lol, that comes with a lot of pent up insecurity under the skin. and all due respect to him but hes not a memorable Mr O either. I barely remember he was. his candy ass got whooped over and over again untill the best faded away and retired.@TobiPhree
@@user-kg1od9es5d He's not 5 6. He goes to my gym, and he's 5 8 for sure.
@@user-kg1od9es5d Even if he was 5 6, why he be insecure about that? I mean he's a very strong capable guy. Just because you're weak and insecure and would be insecure at 5 6 doesn't mean someone as impressive as him would be. Realize that you have no ability, and aren't capable of anything at all, which is why you project stupidity and feel that way. I mean I would rather not be short like that either, but I wouldn't be crying about it like you either. I mean you take what life gives you and accept it bro. Your comment was kind of rude, and really weak and stupid, do better next time.
Been waiting for this podcast, got posted just in time.
Phenomenal episode guys. I am 40 minutes in and this is one of the best. I love these discussions
Great episode 🤣
No argument… Ronnie all day long. The greatest ever.
This was a good one 😂
I love the realness of this podcast! Dexter is very refreshing in this group
Ronnie had a great V-taper when he was young. I dont believe Neckzilla will be able to create that! His side Tri is redonkulous!
Can you explain what ''TAMPERED WITH means ?
This show was awesome. Thanks for the laughs 😂😂😂😂
Dorian beat the cream of the crop including Ronnie flex Kevin Shawn nasser and promptly retired undefeated. He's no.1
* LOVE U GUYS * I'M IN TEARS... Feels like we're ALL brouthas hangin
It’s close but I’d personally edge it very slightly towards Coleman. Could go either way though as they have different strengths and weaknesses.
Bro there a interview with Steve and Milos ask him who has the best body Ron 98 or Dorian 93 or jay he said probably ron 98 and I love Dorian to death
@@AsmaAmen he actually said IT WOULD BE VERY CLOSE.Also used the word PROBABLY. Which suggests he isnt really sure.
@@TheLusianPopa yes bro I know this bro because of that I said the only man can beat Ron is Dorian and bro I love both of them they are the best ever
Chris Cormier the real deal love you man
Can’t miss a podcast from these legends
This was probably the best and funniest episode ever. Dexter should be a regular. Ganging up on Milos over Mosquera and Samson was hilarious. And Dexter and Chris Ronnie Vs Dorian debate was legendary!! 😂 😂 😂
Best episode to date. RX Muscle could learn a thing or two from DJ's podcasts.
Dexter the funniest dude in bodybuilding 😂😂😂
theses four guys just great
The Blade keeping it 100% on Ronnie, I freaking love the SHADOW but Coleman was just too good 👑
too overrated i say
Ronnie never faced someone that could match/beat him on back poses or outconditio him -jay , wheeler, levrone couldnt ...prime dorian would do just that
@@TheLusianPopabro I love both of them bro Milos he ask Steve the head judge Ron 98 or Dorian or jay or lee and he said probably Ron 98 and I love Dorian to death Steve he chose ron and he said it will be very close
Oh boy. The legendary question....Ronnie obviously. 98 Ronnie over 93 Dorian
98 ron ? 247 lb with gyno and no calves and ugly abs
93 dorian was flawless-257 lb of balanced granite
but i dont expect a black guy to agree
@@TheLusianPopaRonnie wins easy
@@cm7923 he barely beat an off syntholed wheeler in 98...dorian 93 would haave annihilated flex....like he did in 93
Dexter Jackson officially the best funniest guest EVER!!
Dexter sorted out Busta Rymes & got him back into shape. Watch Diary of a CEO. Kindest regards, Richard U.K
Great podcast!!!👍💪🏽🙏
I saw Ronnie an Dorian in their Prime. Ronnie had the gnarliest overall muscle size and condition, but he was a lousy poser and his physique didn't flow tremendously well especially in the abdominal and calf area. Lee Haney is still the king! I saw the 91 Olympia and Haney smoked Dorian in the rear lat spread!
He would not "smoke" him in 93. He knew, that's why he retired at 32.
Dorian beat him in the muscularity round, in his first ever olympia.
@@michaelclifford6468 I'm aware of that, but the show still wasn't close in my opinion Dorian was slightly harder though condition wise. And I wish I could post the rear lat spread photo that I took. Lee was much wider in that pose and thicker in the lats!
I call him the Columbian Colossal is the real deal. No pun intended to the original Real Deal Chris Cormier. Once Rubiel gets more delts, back and overall upper body with about 10% conditioning, he is Mr Olympia. I give him 2-3 years.
People talked all that bs about Phil Heath being too narrow. But he has the cartoonish muscle belies and conditioning. Rubiel is similar as for width. But he has the mass to make it up.
I was very impressed with his presentation/posing. He did better than most pros.
That side tricep of his is wicked!!
The last side tricep I saw that was that impressive was the late Paul DeMayo and it was mainly his cray tricep that stood out. Rubiel’s side tricep is overall more complete. He just needs to hit that outside shoulder better.
I wish Rubiel the best of luck!
I hope he is able to get that visa and come and live with Chris Cormier. He can win the Arnold in 2025 and the O by 2027.
Nothing to do with loving Dorian more, Dorian was chiseled granite and great symmetry. I agree with the real deal, Ronnie was amazing but did look smooth compared to what we think is best. Personally, I think Ronnie is the nicest guy that ever competed. We're all allowed to have our own opinions. And Gunter is another example of how Ronnie s torso was shorter and didn't have that same width when compared to him and Dorian. When Dorian tore his bicep he had to make up for it by continuing to grow but had to keep his goid arm at a minimum for symmetry.
Lol Ronnie at his best (1999) is better than everyone else ever. Not even that close really. I think Phil's best (2013) would be the closest but the size difference would prove to be decisive. Once again, wouldn't be close really.
if Rubiel has competed 8 times, he technically has more stage experience than Andrew Jacked, Hunter Labrada. Hes "new" to the IFBB. but lets stop assuming he just started competing. He was an established pro in IFBB Elite
If this debate was before Prague pro i be on show just to see this Rubio ... Dexter talk about Rubio like he see MONSTER ... Cant wait to have chance to see him on stage
What a wild podcast lol
I think that Samson will have to change coach if he wants to win the Olympia. Milo's insulin protocol will only go so far. So can't get ultra cut while on insulin
Great one. Dorian all day Chris ! Right on. Good luck with your pupil ! Guy looks great. Super addition for the sport. Looks friendly as well. Hope he can come to FIBO soon 👍
Most say that if you saw Dorian in person it was a completely different ball game, maybe his physique didn't translate as well as Ronnie in pictures
Really enjoyed the boys tonight.. Great podcast. Some funny stories... Dexter laughing at Chris back. 😂. Not realising poor Chris back is fused...
Absolutely brilliant debate. I like that all of these different opinions are allowed to be equally expressed. Also funny at times.
Letssss go we have another podcast 👑👑👑
Dorian has the best back all time with that lat spread and density/dryness but Ronnie overall smokes him. Love the passion from Dex Chris Milos Dennis
Best episode you guys arguing. Dexter's awesome
Chris made a comment about Ronnie's legs at his novice stage when he first turned pro.
Ronnie always had good balanced proportions but was just light.
Ronnie was 215lbs at 5ft 11 in 1992.
Ar that time the best 5ft 11 bodybuilders were competing at around 245lbs to 250lbs.
Even today in Classic Physique the weight limit for a 5ft 11 bodybuilder is approximately 230lbs.
I don't think Ronnie's legs were proportionately too small. He was just too light.
When Ronnie was between 220 and 240 he was definitely natural. His conditioning was just way different, and once he started with the roids he grew like crazy. Only going from natural to roid could he possibly grow that much, and even considering that it was tons of growth. Kai Greene is another one that was HUGE natural, many say the biggest natural they have seen. I mean he has that pic on his instagram when he was 18 in high school. It was off season for bodybuilding and he was already 250 or so, and he wasn't fat by any means. Even he was natural, and wasn't anywhere near lean obviously, but considering he was 250 natural with reasonably low body fat, it's pretty insane. This was very early on for him as well.
@billj4525 My comment was whether Ronnie's legs were in proportion when he first turned pro, not whether he was or not he was not using PED's
Dexter and Chris/Dorian must have a history to be going at it like that.
Rubiel will beat Nick Walker… soon if hype doesn’t come into play.
Discuss next podcast: Ronnie vs Phil
But Tom Plaz never could make his upper body up to pair with his insane legs!
Judging on body parts was different back then
@30:27 Dennis "This nigga neck is so big "😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dexter always keep it real he’s the man
The Blade tells it like it is and I love that about him.
Oh man i’m enjoying this one. 😂😂😂
Can any one tell me what time they are talking about who is better Dorian and Ronnie
I'd give it to Yates not just because I'm from England but look at who Yates stopped winning a title. At least 4/5 Hall of famers. Ray wheeler! Labrada! leverone ! Cormeir...Coleman? Cutler that's it..And they just started giving him the title after 5 anyway...
Dexter used to have 1 of the best looking overall physiques ever IMO
There should be no argument here, Ronnie the king Coleman.
only if youre ignorant
Lost to Dorian EVERYTIME
@@soulsergeantthats true he did.
@@TheLusianPopaplease understand the poor lil ignorant fanboy
@@soulsergeantronnie didn't nail it until 1998
Coleman of course there’s no discussion
coleman dont beat dorian son
dorian has, when similarly conditoined, 10 lb more muscle and better balance.93 yates trampled a sliced wheeler, 98 ron barely beat a soft syntholed wheeler...do the math
@@TheLusianPopathey don’t understand they’re all about the size of Ronnie. They don’t understand the sport
This is the best episode by far
Ronnie is amazing but for me the real G.O.A.T of bodybulding is Dorian Yates
He's my favorite behind Lee.
Dexter stepped over the line. Poor form calling Chris a liar. He can dish it out but doesn't like it when it's done to him.
Everyone always talked about Jay’s and Branch’s 2009 conditioning that they ignored how great Dex looked. He maybe the best looking and improved Mr O that lost the title. This is not a shot at Dex either. It’s the fact. That 2009 Dex was amazing! Sharper and fuller than 08. It was apples vs oranges between the top 2 and Dex.
2009 was an amazing package!!
Ronnie was bigger overall, Dorian had better conditioning along with mass.
Great observation. Dorian was the better “bodybuilder” but Coleman clearly was more developed
Dj is right. Neckzilla is what he's because of his NECK. Traps are also crazy huge that his shoulders appear narrow. But they are not. If he creates that illusion of Wider shoulders, he's UNBEATABLE.
Dexter is the real deal when it comes to pure comedy
😂😂😂 Dexter killed it this episode! Had me dying the whole time
Love Ronny but Dorian had the better lat spread. Back alone, Dorian wins.
Sorry Ronnie is the GOAT !!!
He is, but Dorian was more conditioned and with his mass he would beat Coleman. Hell, he did beat Coleman and they weren’t close until Yates retired.
Godzilla is a freak. Godzilla vs the monsters. Godzilla trains like an old-school bodybuilder, who's doing 30 rep squats with 400 lbs, these days WTF bro. Samson is also still growing as well, remember Samson gained a lot of size really fast, all of that insulin is taking away from the WOW factor.
Ronnie is the GOAT🐐
Chris is the best thing to happen to Rubiel; I hope they work together for many years and win that Olympia because he does have what it takes
Dexter had enough of Chris's bs 😂😂
Please have Dexter on more often, dude is too real 😂. Rubiel is a dangerous ass bodybuilding!!!
the debate is between phil heath and dorian yates for second, Ronnie is the goat
Lol, if Milo was coaching Neckrilla he would say his size is overwhelming everyone and he should of won.
As a coach he should push for his athlete
Haha so true
I like the jab that Dex took at Chris. lol! Anyone who is or was a fan of Chris knows he was a party animal. If Chris was really focused or as focused as he should be, Cormier could have been Mr O.
I love how they play with Milos 😂😂😂😂
They know they are getting under his skin Lol.
Milos is dope
Its all fun and games
100% and that’s why y’all are so dope together
Samson is still a work in progress.
He has all of the natural gifts to be the best. All he needs is that final polish to win!
This is fun to watch. He is still packing on that back and growing.
Samson is the shape of things to come!
Chris should be banned from talking about Ronnie. Dorian's skin was amazing but his wings looked lumpy and messed up.
This is absolutely historical, u gotta just love Dex keeping it real as hell lol 50:05
Ronnie might have every body part better, but Dorian’s quality and condition make him the better bodybuilder.
Dorian always was notorious for coming in over-dieted. He was in today’s contest shape 10 weeks out and looked incredible.
Ronnie have better triceps, forearms, lats, abs,xmas tree, calves? NO
both have striated glutes
Ronnie has much better upper arms, slightly better quads( mainly shape, detail wise he was never as separated and as feathered as say WHeeler or Cutler). Better chest but he also had gyno a few times
Bro there a interview with Steve and Milos ask him who has the best body Ron 98 or Dorian 93 or jay he said probably ron 98 and I love Dorian to death and he said it’s very close
Did you ever actually watch the shows?
Dorian was off in 1994 and 1997...and arguably - could have lost to Shawn in 1996 also...
Get your facts straight.
@@MilosSarcevOfficialTH-camPage yates won 4 of his 6 sandows with straight firsts.ronnie? 3 perfect scores in 8 years, against the same guys, for the most part.and judged by largely the same panels....ray was never even close to beating dorian., simply too small.in the same way labrada was never going to defeat haney, and franco v arnold.ray never beat dorian on more than 2 of then 7 compulsories. Those are facts.Dont bring feelings to a fact fight.😀
@@MilosSarcevOfficialTH-camPage in my opinion Ronnie’s 1998 look is the only one that would stand a chance against Dorian and he had gyno there.
Dorian’s posing was flawless and polished meanwhile Ronnie’s was awkward and lackluster.
Dorian is the OVERALL better bodybuilder because most years for Ronnie the guy was way too distended.
Ronnie’s mythical status of being so gigantic is why people think he’s the GOAT, but he really only had amazing quality his first year.
Dorian had top quality multiple times and his bad years were on par with Ronnie’s bad years.
I love these podcast
this reminds me of the barber shop scene in coming to america with eddie murphy.
Guys , guys lets end this with a question.
Would Gunter would’ve been able to beat a prime Dorian Yates?
Possiby
These guys are hilarious 🤣🔥Legends tho🙏
Dorian's back is the best ever. Overall ronnie is the best ever... ❤
You got to get Joe McNeil on the show nobody's ever heard anything from him🤔
Love this 4 together 😂😂😂😂😂
These old heads more entertaining than these young cats. Dexter and Chris bruh lmao
THE WORLD IS YOURS AMEN❤💯🤳
Ronnie destroys Dorian
Come on Chris you high as hell!!!!!
You guys never seen Eric Fankhouser’s calves 😂😂😂
I did!!!!!
Until then I never thought that calves can be TOO BIG...But his made his legs look small and it was so noticeable.
I got to find the picture of Eric, next to Flex Lewis on stage and back double biceps shot with one calf out...Erics calves were waaay bigger - which is hard to even imagine....
Eric’s calves are from another planet 😅
Good point about V taper. Dorian standing relax didn't have a good V taper. But when he hit shots. And thats how he won titles. Winning shots
Dexter is absurdly petty. Chris is a gentleman
Dorian smokes Ronnie. Easily! Especially when it comes to conditioning and proportions