I would not have been so harsh about it if Siemens would have returned my inquiries about it! They could not even send a "We are sorry for the inconvenience." email. NO RETURN CONTACT! What warranty?!?!?! What customer satisfaction?!?!?! NOT A SINGLE WORD FROM THEM! They could have sent me a copper bus to install, I would have accepted that, but NNOOO! NO WARRANTY!!! NOT A WORD BACK FROM THEM! For those of you who insist it is a TIN covered copper, I scrapped DEEP into the buss bar and never got down to any copper! Just aluminum(or tin)! Siemens has lots of people posting too insult posters of negative videos! People who do not work for Siemens ask questions, not just try to badger people!
I have filled out an on-line purchase order, but I wanted to see some reviews and feed back and possibly see the inside of the panel before I buy it. The amazingly low price made me suspicious. Man YOU saved me! Thank You so much for posting this. Aluminum is corroding and MUST NEVER be used in cables and electric panels! I hate these criminals for doing this - this is pure fraud! I will make sure all my friends and customers will see this... Blessings to you Sir!
Surprisingly enough, no. It is aluminum. I scratched into it. it is aluminum deep. Nowhere on the box did it say aluminum bus! I got ripped off! I contacted tech support 2 times... no return contact!
If you bother actually bothered reading what I said, I scrapped DEEP into the buss bar and never got down to any copper! Just aluminum(or tin)! Siemens has lots of people to try to insult posters of negative videos! People who do not work for Siemens ask questions, not just try to badger people!@@davidschaer-pn8xm
@@davidschaer-pn8xm Just because they SAY CU does NOT mean they actually give you copper! Have you never heard of rip-offs! I now realize it is more likely tin that is SO thick as to be a tin buss with copper core. I scratched deep into the bus before I installed it and did not get down into any copper!
If you bother actually bothered reading what I said, I scrapped DEEP into the buss bar and never got down to any copper! Just aluminum! Siemens has lots of people to try to insult posters of negative videos! People who do not work for Siemens ask questions, not just try to badger people!
I just switch from a Siemens panel offer to Eaton for this same reason. However I was told that the Siemens is aluminum bar vs Eaton’s copper bus bar. But when I looked up this panel it specs as Copper with tin plating. Can you show a photo of where you cut into the bus bar. It sounds like you got screwed. But if you didn’t push for a refund or verified copper bus bar panel why would you install it. I would take it out, cut it up and send it back with photos posted on social media. Save pieces in case they drag you to court.
Friend, Those are tinned copper bus bars. I know you said you scratched “deep into them” which isn’t a scientific measurement to begin with. If you are a professional electrician you can tell the difference between an aluminum bar (very matte and unpolished, sometimes very flimsy to where you can bend it easily with your pliers) the tinned copper is very shiny and the fins are quite stiff in comparison.
This copper bus bar is coated with tin making it appear like aluminum. Looking closely, the bus bar is stamped with the letters CU, the abbreviation for copper in the periodic table of elements. Maybe Siemens should have done a better job of describing this.
I scratched deep into the bar right off the bat, and no copper is under it! If it is tin, then it is so thick tin as to be a tin bus bar MAYBE with a copper core.
I scratched deep into the bar right off the bat, and no copper is under it! If it is tin, then it is so thick tin as to be a tin bus bar MAYBE with a copper core.
I agree. Many copper units are not tinned and thus you can tell they are copper. So when we see silvery metal we are thinking aluminum and why should anyone blame us for thinking logically. I guess these products are not targeted at DIY because a pro would have known.
@@thecaptain8773 Just because they SAY CU does NOT mean they actually give you copper! Have you never heard of rip-offs! I now realize it is more likely tin that is SO THICK as to be a tin buss with copper core. I scratched deep into the bus before I installed it and did not get down into any copper!
Lol, they are plated to reduce oxidation. I don't care how deep you think you scratched. There's copper underneath. Install looks terrible, by the way. In my opinion.
The buss bars are nickel plated copper. This is regularly done in electrical and electronic components to reduce oxidation, the green layer that forms on copper. The shoddy quality of your work is reason enough not to believe you.
You don't know what you are talking about! I scratched deep into the bar right off the bat, and no copper is under it! You probably work for Siemens! If it is tin, then the tin is so thick it is a tin bus bar "MAYBE" with a copper core. I did not dig half way into the bar to see if it has a copper core...
More falsehood pulled out of thin air. I don't work for Siemens. Our business was actually a competitor of one of their divisions. I have the same panel. three of them in fact. It's copper. That is why is has numerous Cu stampings all over it. "Cu" is the symbol for copper on the periodic table (chemistry). How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when they see the poor electrical workmanship in your panel? @@niceguy1183
Thought this was going to be a review, not a minutes-long rant about bus bars. The PN series DOES have copper bus bars; my guess is someone switched in an SN and returned it to the store where it got put back on the shelf as new.
This was a special order unit. Came this way from the factory by mail. And, if you were FORCED to instal a substandard (by my standards) product in YOUR home, or reschedule a big project, I would think you would be pretty pissed off as well. ALL aluminum wiring products in any building is substandard unless it has special cooling capabilities. Aluminum is dangerous, can cause fires. I would have canceled the whole thing if most of my house did not run on natural gas. No way would I trust an aluminum bus to handle electric heat, stove, and tools I use.
I would not have been so harsh about it if Siemens would have returned my inquiries about it! They could not even send a "We are sorry for the inconvenience." email. NO RETURN CONTACT! What warranty?!?!?! What customer satisfaction?!?!?! NOT A SINGLE WORD FROM THEM! They could have sent me a copper bus to install, I would have accepted that, but NNOOO! NO WARRANTY!!! NOT A WORD BACK FROM THEM! For those of you who insist it is a TIN covered copper, I scrapped DEEP into the buss bar and never got down to any copper! Just aluminum(or tin)! Siemens has lots of people posting too insult posters of negative videos! People who do not work for Siemens ask questions, not just try to badger people!
I have filled out an on-line purchase order, but I wanted to see some reviews and feed back and possibly see the inside of the panel before I buy it. The amazingly low price made me suspicious. Man YOU saved me! Thank You so much for posting this. Aluminum is corroding and MUST NEVER be used in cables and electric panels!
I hate these criminals for doing this - this is pure fraud! I will make sure all my friends and customers will see this... Blessings to you Sir!
The bars are stamped CU in multiple places. The plating helps with heat dissipation and helps the load center to operate cooler and more efficiently.
Is it possible the buss bar is tin plated copper?
Surprisingly enough, no. It is aluminum. I scratched into it. it is aluminum deep. Nowhere on the box did it say aluminum bus! I got ripped off! I contacted tech support 2 times... no return contact!
It IS TIN PLATED COPPER ON 150 AMPS AND HIGHER. MARKED CU. CU IS COPPER.
If you bother actually bothered reading what I said, I scrapped DEEP into the buss bar and never got down to any copper! Just aluminum(or tin)! Siemens has lots of people to try to insult posters of negative videos! People who do not work for Siemens ask questions, not just try to badger people!@@davidschaer-pn8xm
@@davidschaer-pn8xm Just because they SAY CU does NOT mean they actually give you copper! Have you never heard of rip-offs! I now realize it is more likely tin that is SO thick as to be a tin buss with copper core. I scratched deep into the bus before I installed it and did not get down into any copper!
Do you see the "CU" stamped into the bus bar? That means copper. It is tinned copper and thus it has the silver colour.
If you bother actually bothered reading what I said, I scrapped DEEP into the buss bar and never got down to any copper! Just aluminum! Siemens has lots of people to try to insult posters of negative videos! People who do not work for Siemens ask questions, not just try to badger people!
I just switch from a Siemens panel offer to Eaton for this same reason. However I was told that the Siemens is aluminum bar vs Eaton’s copper bus bar.
But when I looked up this panel it specs as Copper with tin plating. Can you show a photo of where you cut into the bus bar. It sounds like you got screwed. But if you didn’t push for a refund or verified copper bus bar panel why would you install it. I would take it out, cut it up and send it back with photos posted on social media. Save pieces in case they drag you to court.
Friend,
Those are tinned copper bus bars. I know you said you scratched “deep into them” which isn’t a scientific measurement to begin with. If you are a professional electrician you can tell the difference between an aluminum bar (very matte and unpolished, sometimes very flimsy to where you can bend it easily with your pliers) the tinned copper is very shiny and the fins are quite stiff in comparison.
This copper bus bar is coated with tin making it appear like aluminum. Looking closely, the bus bar is stamped with the letters CU, the abbreviation for copper in the periodic table of elements. Maybe Siemens should have done a better job of describing this.
You are correct. It is stamped CU for copper.
I scratched deep into the bar right off the bat, and no copper is under it! If it is tin, then it is so thick tin as to be a tin bus bar MAYBE with a copper core.
I scratched deep into the bar right off the bat, and no copper is under it! If it is tin, then it is so thick tin as to be a tin bus bar MAYBE with a copper core.
I agree. Many copper units are not tinned and thus you can tell they are copper. So when we see silvery metal we are thinking aluminum and why should anyone blame us for thinking logically. I guess these products are not targeted at DIY because a pro would have known.
@@thecaptain8773 Just because they SAY CU does NOT mean they actually give you copper! Have you never heard of rip-offs! I now realize it is more likely tin that is SO THICK as to be a tin buss with copper core. I scratched deep into the bus before I installed it and did not get down into any copper!
Lol, they are plated to reduce oxidation. I don't care how deep you think you scratched. There's copper underneath. Install looks terrible, by the way.
In my opinion.
The buss bars are nickel plated copper. This is regularly done in electrical and electronic components to reduce oxidation, the green layer that forms on copper.
The shoddy quality of your work is reason enough not to believe you.
You don't know what you are talking about! I scratched deep into the bar right off the bat, and no copper is under it! You probably work for Siemens! If it is tin, then the tin is so thick it is a tin bus bar "MAYBE" with a copper core. I did not dig half way into the bar to see if it has a copper core...
More falsehood pulled out of thin air. I don't work for Siemens. Our business was actually a competitor of one of their divisions.
I have the same panel. three of them in fact. It's copper. That is why is has numerous Cu stampings all over it. "Cu" is the symbol for copper on the periodic table (chemistry).
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when they see the poor electrical workmanship in your panel? @@niceguy1183
There are 3 layers of plating.
Thought this was going to be a review, not a minutes-long rant about bus bars. The PN series DOES have copper bus bars; my guess is someone switched in an SN and returned it to the store where it got put back on the shelf as new.
This was a special order unit. Came this way from the factory by mail. And, if you were FORCED to instal a substandard (by my standards) product in YOUR home, or reschedule a big project, I would think you would be pretty pissed off as well. ALL aluminum wiring products in any building is substandard unless it has special cooling capabilities. Aluminum is dangerous, can cause fires. I would have canceled the whole thing if most of my house did not run on natural gas. No way would I trust an aluminum bus to handle electric heat, stove, and tools I use.
Tell us how you really feel😂
NO! I keep MY feeling close to the chest! 😁
Tin plated copper bus bar. Quick google search would have told you that.
I scratched DEEP into the buss and found NO copper!
@@niceguy1183no you didn’t.