Deathwatch: Overkill Review & How to Play
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- Always Board Never Boring takes a deep dive into Deathwatch: Overkill, an out of production game from Games Workshop that he believes never really got the attention it deserved. In this video, we do a full review plus an overview of how to play. Eagle-eyed viewers may spot design elements that were recycled and modified for Blackstone Fortress and Space Marine Adventures.
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I would love to see a playthrough of this. I have the game myself, half painted and never played, but I'd love to play it.
Halfway closer to painted than me! Thanks for the feedback.
Have you ever thought of putting it up for sale? Ahaha. Where did you get the box set from?
Thank you for this great video! I got the game last week in new condition, mostly for the GSC. I am now excited to play it. A playthrough would be great, please!
The miniatures are great, but the game is well worth it. Thanks for the feedback on a playthrough.
The introductory text of the DWOK manual is freakin fantastic! It got me instantly pumped to want to dive into the game. Excellent compelling story telling and presentation.
A few more pages in. I think this is the most enjoyable game manual I have ever read already. I think I am about 1/10 through it. It does SUCH a fantastic job of combining rules with theme and setting. What a joy to read!
It's similar to Space Hulk 3/4 edition but I think this one is better, in that it's more exciting right away.
I think this book would be a fantastic gateway for a first time player being introduced to 40K.
It's a good manual. The whole game is really nicely presented. The game is a bit of an odd duck with how it plays, yet somehow it just all works really well. I hope you have a lot of fun with it.
Only just discovered this game, we need a playthrough!
Nice look mate, I still need to get all the minis painted up for this too
Thanks. I think my main problem with board games is I don't like to start painting them unless I know I can finish them. So I end up stalling before I start!
Looks like a fun game. Really should get mine painted one of these days. So many minis, so few hours in a day.
Appreciate the coverage you give to these titles.
Thanks for watching. This is a great little game. Flew under the radar a bit, but I'm very glad to have a copy.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Bought mine in 2016. Still in sprues I hate to admit. But this year I made a resolution for myself to get more of my boardgame stuff painted. Overkill isn't currently being worked on, but it's competing for a spot later this year.
That said it's competing with Space Hulk and Dreadfleet, so competition's stiff. I shall see what comes out top, haha.
@@NikoTeaJay All good, but Deadfleet is definitely the weakest of the bunch for me. Funnily enough, Dreadfleet is the only one of those three I have painted!
Really like the look of this game and going to be attempting to grab it if I can. Shame to see there was no playthrough of it done for the channel. I did see the spacemarine adventures playthrough so may give that a watch.
I would love to do more playthroughs for the channel, but they are the hardest content to slot into my lifestyle. Deathwatch: Overkill is still a game that may get a playthrough one day.
You can get ahold of these deathwatch minis in the kill team cassius box set on the gw online store.
They also have all of the genestealer special characters in a broodcoven boxed set. But in typical fashion, by the time you've bought those two boxes you've actually paid more than I paid for the boxed game! Really great miniatures though.
I'm having the chance of picking this up minus the GSC models for the equivalent of 30USD. I do have Space Hulk, Silver Tower and Assasinorum though, as well as all Space Marine Adventures. Is this sufficiently different?
I guess the playthrough didn't happen. Was it because you fell out of love with the game or just because of life?
Keep up the good work!
It’s a great game. I would still like to do a playthrough but I only have so much time and if content isn’t landing I tend to have to move on and try to revisit the subject again later.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Thanks for the answer and yes, I understand. Whether life or work in general, all is a matter of priorities. Besides you and Drive through reviews, nobody really reviewed the board game as such. It's such a big internet, and sometimes quite small.
I ended up getting it, much due to you!
Some games don't enter the wall of shame, rather they are comforting. When, and if, I have time they'll be there waiting for me.
@@lindgrenjonas I hope you really enjoy it.
I remember getting the last box in store when it was long out of production
Score. It's interesting how these games sometimes hang about. My local toy shop still has a a copy of Assassonorum: Execution Force!
Thanks for your Review. You helped fortify my buy of this game.
Thanks. I'm glad you found the video useful.
Would you say this is still worth picking up to this day? Cant really find anything under $260 USD. I want it but its hard to justify (made it even more tempting after your video haha). :)
I think it's a great game, and the miniatures are really nice, especially the character-level marines. However, $260 is a big ask, especially if it turns out you don't enjoy it.
Just found a copy in a store today 🎉
Excellent. I hope you have a lot of fun with it.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring i know i will. Still amazed the store had a copy of it
Bought this just for the minis. :)
They are really nice miniatures. The game is well worth playing too though.
Looks interesting.
It really is. It's interesting to see some mechanisms that have turned up in some of the later games, including Blackstone Fortress.
Always Board Never Boring It actually appeals to me as a sort of Space Hulk lite.
Thematically, it's in the same wheelhouse as Space Hulk, but they do play completely differently. It's much faster, with space marines running and leaping everywhere in open spaces rather than trudging through narrow corridors. The marines are also much more powerful than Space Hulk's terminators.
Because the heroes are all unique you have a lot more special abilities and weapon options at your disposal. Meanwhile, the genestealer player gets lots more choices regarding what to spawn, and what to hold back to use as gambits. If anything, both sides have a lot more to think about than they do in Space Hulk. Of course, Space Hulk will always be the better game!
Super. I was told that this game is weak and never try it. I think i will try it next week :) Can i hope you reviev Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero? Do titles from BaC matches that from Black Fortress?
Thanks. It's well worth trying, but I think it's one of those games that people either love or hate, because it's a bit different and unusual. Definitely one to try before you buy. I'm thinking of occasionally revisiting some of these older games here on the channel, but I don't know when. In the meantime reviews for Prospero and Calth are on my blog.
Oh, and no, the Calth tiles are oversized to allow three marines per space.
Merry chrismas, did you ever think of a Play though? Thanks for your content!
Thank you and merry Christmas. I have a lot of games I want to get around to doing playthroughs for, and Deathwatch Overkill is one of them because it's such an unusual system. Unfortunately I can't guarantee times for anything at the moment, I have to shoot from the hip whenever I can!
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring as long as it's on your list, that great. As I do watch all your play through anyway!.
Nice one!
@@stevenewman7955 thank you for supporting the videos. I really appreciate it.
Have you ever tried to play this solo? If so how did it go?
I know I'm a little late, but I'd love to see a playthrough of this game, especially given your obvious love for it.
When I learned the rules I tinkered with it solo. I think it really needs a genestealer player because of the secret card play.
I wouldn't see it difficult to put in place at all. The enemy IA goes for the closest, then for marine with more wounds, then you decide; when the game says to lay down the ambush cards (example 5 on an hand of 7), you simply lay all 7 down instead, then you reveal them all as per the rules, at the end of GS movement phase. That's about it.
You could also use tiles from other games such BSF or Necromunda (much better tiles!!) and have all the same dynamics more or less; I would use the classic WH blast template (3 or 5) for blast/rend rules; you could also use the range adopted in BSF, saying that 0-1 sq/hex is Assault, 2-3 sq/hex is Combat and 4+ sq/hex is Max range....
@@DANNYtheBOY11 The way the game plays, it doesn't lend itself easily to this sort of AI for a number of reasons:
1. Ambush cards are also gambit cards. A big part of the game for the genestealer is deciding whether to play a card to bring in reinforcements or play the cards as a dirty trick. The gambits are very important as the marines are tough and hard to beat in a fair fight. The gambits are held in secret and played based on triggers such as a marine entering a zone, so an AI can't really handle that.
2. Spawning is limited by the miniatures you have, so you don't always want to play all of your cards as ambushes. For example, if you already have the primus on the board, it would be a waste to play another ambush card that spawns the primus - the card would simply by discarded.
3. Positional play is essential to win. Where the models are actually standing within a zone is important as you can only move a miniature into a zone if there is physical space for the miniature's base to fit. This means a few genestealer units can block marines from moving by spacing out in a zone.
4. Positional play is important for baiting marines, and trying to drag them out of position. There's no cover, so your tactics rely on making sure you are outside of the firing arcs, luring marines into positions for counterattacks, and spacing your models so they don't all get blown up with a blast weapon. Genestealer units that just run straight at marines will die horribly, and the marines will generally have a cake walk. Remember, the Deathwatch get two attack rounds per turn, but the genestealers move after the marines, so the genestealers need to have the ability to react to the marines and avoid devastating attacks.
5. The game focuses on scenarios and the genestealers require different tactics to prevent the marines from completing their objectives.
6. You can change boards, but you completely change the dynamic of the game. The game is all about a wide open space, leaping chasms, blocking movement with careful positional play, and trying to stay outside of range until you're ready to counterattack.
I'm a big fan of playing games solo even if they aren't originally intended for it. You can play this game simply controlling both sides and doing your best to win, but you still lose something because you can't surprise yourself with the gambit cards or trick the marines into traps and that puts the cultists at a big disadvantage.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring (1) Of course Ambush cards only, no gambits (2) If it does not make any sense, you play the next one instead until you play the nr of cards of the mission (3) Not drastically important to me, I would not use original tiles anyway (4) Assigning iniative for each marine and type of enemy every turn and 2 actions each, no double attacks or such (5) More power from GN having same actions and maybe block the movement when models are adjacent may balance it (6) Maybe, but why not.
Playing each side is something you can always do, but it's never the case for me. No fun at all. Cheers.
@@DANNYtheBOY11 I would say by the time you've made all those changes, you're playing a completely different game. Regardless, I hope you have fun with it!
Sounds like a good game
I really enjoy it. It's definitely not for everybody, but it's very interesting.
Woooaaahhh! What is this?!?!?! Thanks for this video man!
You're welcome. Glad you found it interesting.
Should I get Assassinorum before this one?
They are completely different games, so it really depends on what kind of gaming experience you are looking for.
I have this, but it’s still in my pile of shame!
Ah, you must build it and get it played. Play it grey (that's what I should have called my channel).
Ahh damn this game cost so much lol
It’s been out of production for a long time. I should imagine prices on the secondary market are quite rough.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring way to high sadly but the game looks awesome I found some of the space marines on eBay think I'll pick them up for my deathwatch army. Great video by the way love watching your playthroughs.
@@solidcumbyhaha702 Thanks. I’m glad you enjoy the playthroughs. The miniatures for this game are great. They would be good additions to an army.