Replacing the WORST Final Smashes With New Ones! - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

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  • In this video we're gonna replace the worst final smashes in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate with new ones! There are many missed opportunities for final smashes in the game with many fighters not using some of their most memorable moves. Today we'll explore new ideas for these attacks replacing some of the worst in the game, to some which could simply be a bit better.
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  • @josephsharp6221
    @josephsharp6221 2 ปีที่แล้ว +574

    Dark Pit’s final smash actually has a reference to something he does in Uprising.

    • @369destroyer
      @369destroyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Yes, but I'd argue that they could de-echo Dark Pit a bit and make the Dark Pit staff a side B move and give him the arrow barrage as a final smash

    • @thesandkingdom
      @thesandkingdom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@369destroyer Woah. Dark Pits side b shouldnt be changed..
      For smash attacks sure but not his side b..
      Dark Pits side b is better than you think

    • @thunderknight4149
      @thunderknight4149 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      actually I think dark pit should use the lightning chariot as he actually uses it in uprising to *spoiler*.
      Pit should either change how he uses the three sacred treasures or the great sacred treasure but maybe spoilers?

    • @thesandkingdom
      @thesandkingdom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@thunderknight4149 ye he used it when the chaos vortex was about to disappear and to help Pit from Hades

    • @nugget1631
      @nugget1631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@thunderknight4149 I think a cool idea for pit’s final smash would be a combination of the brawl and smash 4 versions, where he could do his sacred treasure thing while centurions attck

  • @aefenry3065
    @aefenry3065 2 ปีที่แล้ว +349

    I don't now why it never occurred to me until clicking on this video that Peach/Daisy's final smash should've been Jigglypuff's.

    • @BloodWolfXero
      @BloodWolfXero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Exactly. Her down special would work well.

    • @moosesues8887
      @moosesues8887 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Holy shit wtf why are you right

    • @ZeroStarComedian
      @ZeroStarComedian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Holy shit that makes sense wth

    • @aefenry3065
      @aefenry3065 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @Mr. A Peach/Daisy’s final smash puts everyone to sleep, which is Jigglypuff’s entire personality. And Jiggly’s final smash not only sucks but seems more suited to use Peach’s

    • @CEOofCunnySlurper
      @CEOofCunnySlurper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      What if they switched final smashes? Anime Sing Jigglypuff and Inflated Peach 🥵

  • @PlayrR3D156
    @PlayrR3D156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +308

    Dark Pit's final smash is actually him using he staff. Not his bow.

    • @marrqi7wini54
      @marrqi7wini54 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Which I wish influenced more of his moveset.

    • @mro.p.9093
      @mro.p.9093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@marrqi7wini54 I agree but he is an echo

    • @EbolaGW
      @EbolaGW 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@quinntessentialskill7414
      That honestly all depends. In Kid Icarus: Uprising, he is a clone created by the Mirror of Truth. So everything of Dark Pit is an exact replica of Pit except for personality.
      And throughout the game, he only uses two weapons, being the Silver Bow and the Dark Pit Staff. Maybe for moveset wise, he could use different weapons found in the game, but will kinda defeat the purpose of Dark Pit being an Echo Fighter because it makes a lot of sense in Kid Icarus: Uprising.

    • @primarinegaming6761
      @primarinegaming6761 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@quinntessentialskill7414 Ken is Barry different to ryu what?

    • @primarinegaming6761
      @primarinegaming6761 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@quinntessentialskill7414 barely

  • @Kirbman
    @Kirbman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    I'm surprised you somehow completely missed Dark Pit using his staff for his Final Smash.

  • @ItsYuhBoyyyy
    @ItsYuhBoyyyy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    How did you play Uprising and not recognise that Dark Pit uses a staff?😭

  • @DarsanUchiha
    @DarsanUchiha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Dark Pit’s is the Dark Pit Staff he uses to snipe Pit in the Uprising chapter you mentioned

  • @juanrodriguez9971
    @juanrodriguez9971 2 ปีที่แล้ว +249

    "the fake smash ball is not gonna foolish anyone" have you ever played the game with 8 players? That thing more often than not is easy to confuse there.

    • @just_hage8862
      @just_hage8862 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Sometimes I am just playing a game with lots of people and I know it’s a fake smash ball but some hits it while in a fight accidentally.

    • @Nosretep
      @Nosretep 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Fake Smash Balls that fall on the ground can easily trick people.

    • @Nokyyyyy
      @Nokyyyyy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You can hit it from far away when someone is close to it

    • @SKsuprakirby
      @SKsuprakirby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It doesn't fool any one, it just gets in the way so you end up hitting it when you want to hit the opponent

    • @14akamaru
      @14akamaru 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Especially if those eight are all Ice Climbers

  • @thegreatjman1999
    @thegreatjman1999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +200

    It's not terrible but I'm not really huge on Meta Knight's to be honest, the attack itself is pretty basic considering how many other characters have an "attack from a bunch of directions" final smash plus the four wings and lightning are just weird
    And it'ss especially confusing when the giant Mach Tornado that he uses in basically every boss fight is such an obvious choice (I know they called his neutral special mach tornado they could just call the final smash super mach tornado or something)

    • @leedlelel2373
      @leedlelel2373 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Its a surprising SA reference, why is it surprising? Cuz sakurai is usually hella biased when it comes to kirby, only caring about the games he worked on, and honestly after i realized he actually took the time to take a glance at the modern games and implement something from them (in a way cooler fashion too) i warmed up to mks final smash, and its also honestly even more surprising when you realize SA and SSBU were released so close to eachother, makes me wonder if its a coincidence actually

    • @CheeseBlaster
      @CheeseBlaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed. I'd like a cinematic like Mega Man's which include all the Meta-Knights

    • @thegreatjman1999
      @thegreatjman1999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Considering all the other characters that have a very similar styled final smash and the fact that they released so close together I sincerely believe it was a coincidence

    • @moosesues8887
      @moosesues8887 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why not one of the special moves from meta knightmare

    • @gwenpolo1307
      @gwenpolo1307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He literally does Galaxia Darkness in Planet Robobot and then they remove it in the next game

  • @mudedmmuh964
    @mudedmmuh964 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    5:22 what are you talking about? That's the staff and it's basically infinite range is a reference to a scene in uprising. Also back throw to final smash is one of the coolest final smash setups in the game.

    • @vossboss220
      @vossboss220 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I don't even think all the final smashes he mentioned are necessarily uninspired, he just doesn't know the source material or thinks they are lame

    • @mastercobragaming8780
      @mastercobragaming8780 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@vossboss220 it’s probably bias from him

  • @loucardenuto2841
    @loucardenuto2841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Toon Link’s final smash should be a cinematic were he stabs the opponent in the forehead like Ganondorf in the Wind Waker

  • @TheMack625
    @TheMack625 2 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    Funny thing is, I never disliked Mario and Jigglypuff's Final Smashes. Even back in Brawl, I enjoyed using both of these moves, and continue to dig them in 4 and Ultimate. That said, I am surprised that Ultimate didn't use the T-Rex idea...
    I do prefer the controllable Final Smashes with Yoshi, Wario, Lucario, and Bowser. Using powered-up fighters is a lot of fun. Likewise, I am a huge fan of Pit's Three Sacred Treasures.
    I actually don't mind the Koopalings using Shadow Mario Paint. Yes, Junior is the only one who canonically turned into Shadow Mario, but his siblings are alternate skins at the end of the day. However, I'd prefer to actually move around as Shadow Mario and have a few paint-themed attacks.
    ...I'm sorry. It sounded like I'm bashing your opinions. Frankly, I don't like to get bent out of shape regarding Final Smash attacks.
    This is a good video, Siiroth.

  • @dreamlanderjoel8162
    @dreamlanderjoel8162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I'm not a huge fan of Meta Knight's Final Smash in Ultimate, Darkness Illusion. It's a somewhat generic Great Aether
    -style attack that appears to only be loosely based on an attack he does in Star Allies. I think it would've been much cooler if Meta Knight's new Final Smash was Meta Knightmares from Kirby: Planet Robobot, a move where he calls upon the Meta-Knights and they slash any opponent caught in the attack. Or they could've kept Galaxia Darkness as his Final Smash since that move also appears in Planet Robobot despite originating from Smash.

    • @HyperKaito
      @HyperKaito 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      prefer the ol' one

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whike it has amazing anticipation o think more needed to be done than just a stationary slash
      Like having him dash through the opponent while they’re stuck on hitstun would have improved it

  • @PikminandOatchi
    @PikminandOatchi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Pretty sure a blind person could tell Dark Pits weapon is a staff.
    Also it's only his signature weapon not important at all.

    • @Nosretep
      @Nosretep 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      His main weapon is the Silver Bow. He only used the staff once.

  • @mann-nova9392
    @mann-nova9392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    The fake Smash Ball had fooled plenty of people that I've played with. It also is easy to mistake and go after right when it spawns.

    • @wintertheampharos4725
      @wintertheampharos4725 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It only fooled me once. After I noticed that the vertical line is thinner than the horizontal line, which is reverse of the real smash ball, it was easy to distinguish.

  • @ThatBluDude
    @ThatBluDude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Shouldn't JIGGLYPUFF have the final smash that puts everyone to sleep instead of Peach and Daisy?
    Like, have her pull out the mic, maybe put some spotlights on her, and have her sing to put everyone to sleep.

    • @Siiroth
      @Siiroth  2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yeah that would definitely be a lot more fitting!

    • @jliong128
      @jliong128 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      To add on it would draw on people’s faces

    • @Nosretep
      @Nosretep 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Peach can heal and put others to sleep in SMRPG.
      Twinkle Tackle would be better.

    • @HyperKaito
      @HyperKaito 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Siiroth I prefer the ol' one

    • @HyperKaito
      @HyperKaito 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nosretep Or the Peach Beam

  • @morgancrosbourne9261
    @morgancrosbourne9261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Honestly, I’m shocked Palutena wasn’t in this video. Her final smash would have fit Rosalina better than herself.

    • @RiceCakeDummy
      @RiceCakeDummy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      It’s maybe because Black Hole and Mega Laser are items you can use in Uprising. Pretty good ones at that.

    • @chadpeterson5698
      @chadpeterson5698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The black hole maybe but the laser is definitely Palutena.

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว

      And by pretty good you mean dominated the online metagame

  • @yaboidylanindustries8983
    @yaboidylanindustries8983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Bruh, your version of Mario’s final smash is hella cool

  • @jmurray1110
    @jmurray1110 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    actually i think dark pits has a stronger basis hes a snipr who uses the dark pit staff to snipe opponents from across the screen its actually fairly representive

    • @sepherioth5568
      @sepherioth5568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh boy, just wait till the algorithm take over and people get masacured by fake news and straight up lies, which causes the rest of humanity to go into hiding in in space safe locations in the world, as the algorithm mercicsly and tirelessly hunts us down to try to one day kill every last human.

  • @pksprite6401
    @pksprite6401 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    But Volt Tackle is Pikachu and Pichu’s signature moves...

  • @Sjono
    @Sjono 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    9:52 “Yeah this attack fits the electric rodents, but there are many other Pokémon moves that could’ve been chosen instead.”
    You forget that Volt Tackle is the signature move of Pikachu’s evolutionary line just like how Psystrike is Mewtwo’s signature move, Mat Block was Greninja’s signature move, and Darkest Lariat was Incineroar’s signature move

    • @espurrseyes42
      @espurrseyes42 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's still better picks. Maybe Pichu can keep Volt Tackle since that was originally only available by breeding one a specific way, but Pikachu has better, more fitting options for a Final Smash. Like his personal Z-Move. Or Surf since Surf Pikachu's been a thing they were pushing at one point (it was a Battle Revolution reward, was part of a line of HM using Pikachus in the Pikachu Pokewalker zone, was a Secret Technique in Let's Go, and was a reward at the end of a sidequest in USUM centered around the Mantine Surf minigame).

    • @Compucles
      @Compucles 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@espurrseyes42 The personal Z-Move, maybe, but Volt Tackle is still easily Pikachu's 2nd most fitting option.

  • @LezbeOswald
    @LezbeOswald 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    in all honesty i'm not a huge fan of final smashes that you have to "control" aside from things like changing the angle or whatever simply bc if i'm gonna hit a guaranteed win button, i don't wanna immediately fuck it up by not being able to control the character. that happened to me a _lot_ in Smash 4.
    and sure maybe the fake smash ball doesn't fool regular players in 1v1s, but put it in a free-for-all at a party filled with casuals n that thing's getting busted.

  • @arianagrandefromfortnite
    @arianagrandefromfortnite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "The original way to defeat Bowser will always be the original"
    Wow. As profound as always.

  • @DaAuraWolf
    @DaAuraWolf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    To be fair, I still want to see Grima referenced in Robin’s Final Smash. It would be pretty badass.

  • @patrickanderson3373
    @patrickanderson3373 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For Fox's final smash, he should pull out a Gamecube and the transform into Melee Fox.

    • @xxdestroyerxxal
      @xxdestroyerxxal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With the added ability to meteor cancel and edgehog

    • @HyperKaito
      @HyperKaito 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      stupid idea

  • @mro.p.9093
    @mro.p.9093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I understand why you don't like peach's final smash but you can't deny that competitively its really good

  • @86sensual
    @86sensual 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Dark Pit is literally using the Dark Pit staff Wdym dude

  • @thepastaprogenitor851
    @thepastaprogenitor851 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    What moveset buffs would you give to characters could be a cool idea (giving kirby a new side b, sword wielding back air and superjump up b for example)

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just change lithoes fundemebtak design a bit so he can actually use his foot abilities
      Keep the kirbyisms with the simple functions and obvious launch angles give us more than his specials and dash attack

  • @Fuzunga
    @Fuzunga 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The fake smash ball makes sense when it spawns on the floor because it rolls around instead of maintaining its upside down orientation.

  • @The_123Gamer
    @The_123Gamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just wanna say, the axe that breaks the bridge has just gotta be the best thing I've heard for a Mario FS, it's perfect

  • @ninjapotatolorf6237
    @ninjapotatolorf6237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Siiroth if he got to direct a Smash Bros game: "Oops, all Cutscene Final Smashes"

  • @Zoroark_Master
    @Zoroark_Master 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Siiroth: "most peoples would say that the worst FS are peach and daisy"
    Alpharad: "you dare defy the words of a god!?!"

    • @jamesadamson5406
      @jamesadamson5406 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And saying the opposite of what the community days

    • @Zoroark_Master
      @Zoroark_Master 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamesadamson5406 ???

  • @ravio5868
    @ravio5868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Zelda's Final Smash is fine as is. The Dominion Rod doesn't really make sense, as that's just a random weapon from Hyrule Warriors that she happens to use. Her current one is perfect imo because she's sealing the opponent, like she's been known to do to Ganon.

  • @Nano12123
    @Nano12123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Personally, I loved trying to dodge the Three Sacred Treasures. I always felt amazing when I pulled it off.

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว

      Personally I think the great sacred treasure would probably be better sure it wasn’t entirely effective but it was the reason hades was defeated

    • @PLASBEZ
      @PLASBEZ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jmurray1110 yet it got destroyed

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PLASBEZ yeah that was certainly an issue
      Though the canon was still operational

  • @Shaggy_PacMan
    @Shaggy_PacMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Fake Smash Ball wont be fooling anybody".
    Like the Fake Item Box in Mario Kart when you place it just behind a real item box, you can strategize with the Fake Smash Ball. I usually try to destroy the Fake Smash Ball from a distance when it's close to my opponent, where it'll blow up and hurt them. It does take a little practice and luck to pull it off, especially considering that the fake one usually tries to stick close to the real one.

  • @CEOofCunnySlurper
    @CEOofCunnySlurper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Siiroth, I think you should actually ask the community (reddit preferably) whenever Peach's final smash is one of the worst or not...
    Peach's final smash is awesome imo:
    - Deals 10%, 20%, or 30% damage (depending on distance)
    - Free smash attack
    - Spawns 3 giant peaches that heals 20% each (heals 60%)
    - Very wide range and affect multiple enemies
    - Instantly executed, and the camera zoom on Peach
    - Inflicts sleep even when airborne, leading to instant KO to enemies off-stage
    I hope you wouldn't turn a blind eye to this.

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s good mechanically but it’s kind of shit at representing her abilities, has no relation to her character outside of a pun and the music and overall isn’t particularly satisfying to land

  • @superkid2815
    @superkid2815 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Final smashes don't need to be direct references, it can be just the essence of who they are. Like Luigi in brawl, no one fully grasps it, seeing as it's just the essence of him being #2.
    Dark pit also doesn't "fire a bigger arrow" for his final smash. He uses the dark pit staff, a staff modeled specifically after him, and one he did use in his stage of uprising. It is essentially the game's version of a sniper rifle, dealing more damage the farther they are away, which the final smash does actually do, even if it copied the arrow of light mechanically...
    Speaking of arrow of light, Link's new arrow move is pretty much a nerfed version that doesn't pierce and only hits more than one if they're right next to the victim, which no one is going to be dumb enough to let happen. If they really wanted to make him a good one they should of did something with the master sword, and the triforce of courage, maybe a cinematic where they jam the sword into an opponent's head, before an explosion of light happens...
    Also daisy with strikers attack? What about STRIKERS CHARGED!? It uses crystals on her arm as she flatout punches the ball.
    And wanting Rosalina to run people over with a car... GEE, WONDER WHERE I'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE!?
    You should of focused on dark samus or rob
    Or maybe the miis

  • @naeshaunedwards7731
    @naeshaunedwards7731 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wish Rosalina had a cutscene finisher. She can still trap the opponent in the star, but then her space ship can crash into it at high speed, and explode the star

  • @admiralAlfonso9001
    @admiralAlfonso9001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jigglypuffs final smash is op if you knock the opponent off the edge then walk off the ledge and then final smash and they can’t get back

  • @calemr
    @calemr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    "If you ask anyone in the community for the worst final smash, two that come up a lot are Peach and Daisy's"
    Pretty sure you didn't ask the community. Because they generally wouldn't pick "Kill anyone off stage, heal for 60, gain 100% stage presence for items, and get a free charged smash." As a BAD ability.
    It's probably the best Final Smash in the game. It's that or Zelda.

    • @Compucles
      @Compucles 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      We're not talking competitively here.

    • @Nosretep
      @Nosretep ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Compucles They're good casually too.

  • @jdb2002
    @jdb2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I saw the Fake Smash ball fool someone before. And it even briefly fooled me once, before I saw the telltale sign of a fake and backed off.

  • @aeiken4550
    @aeiken4550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Peach and daisy actually have some of the best final smashes along with zelda.

  • @tommyhamlin4611
    @tommyhamlin4611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really like your idea for Mario's final smash it's much better than the abomination that is the Mario Finale

  • @GalaxiaKnightX
    @GalaxiaKnightX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I honestly liked Mario's final smash. It was really cool to see Mario using his fire manipulation to send a wave a fireballs in a cyclone formation to hit his enemies. So to me it's not a abomination. Also I love the concept of the Fake Smash Ball. Sure you say "No one is gonna hit it." But you be surprised how many people hit that fake smash ball..whether it was on accident..or to use it to your advantage.

  • @DCBiscuit
    @DCBiscuit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ultimate made a huge mistake when they “wanted to streamline Final Smashes. There could have been so much more fan-service, but too many FSs are “dash forward and hit them a bunch.” Donkey Kong, the Twins Links, Greninja, Sheik, Little Mac, Joker, Pikachu, Pichu and so many more and just so… meh. Joker is the stand out example here even his is lame, it’s just slightly less lame since he can turn around during it.

  • @huntermurphy2524
    @huntermurphy2524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dark pit's final smash references him using his staff.

  • @aliceenoshima374
    @aliceenoshima374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is an amazing idea cannot wait for the change ideas. Edit: when ultimate came out and insinaroar was introduced i was hoping puff would get fairium z.

  • @AudreyCubed
    @AudreyCubed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Awkward rhythm based smash? Dude that was one of my favorite final smashes since it actually required skill to pull off and wasn't just 'click a button watch a cutscene' lmao

  • @samvarthraj630
    @samvarthraj630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, I know many people loved Mega Man’s final smash, and I do too, but I feel there are other alternatives. To reference more classic material, you could use the super adapter, where he merges with rush. Like Charizard and Yoshi in Smash 4, he could fly around blasting everyone and shooting his fist at them. However, you could reference newer material by having him use the double gear system and overcharge the Mega Buster.

  • @AdrianEN
    @AdrianEN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I actually really love Mario’s final smash

  • @littlewolf6435
    @littlewolf6435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like daisy’s idea I just think it should be her crystallized daisy special from Mario strikers charged

  • @mrjohnm10
    @mrjohnm10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wait did he say the some of the worst FS are peaches and daisy’s! I mean they are boring but strong as hell.

    • @VMan776
      @VMan776 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Worst as far as inspiration, not competitive strength.

  • @DoubleJT1234
    @DoubleJT1234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Trust me, Doctor Mario is definitely not an echo fighter of Mario. They play completely different from one another.

    • @Compucles
      @Compucles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, he's still a semi-clone like Falco, Wolf, Ganondorf, the Links, Pichu, etc., but he's not as close as the Echo Fighters. For one thing, he once again gets the Tornado as his Down Special instead of that stupid FLUDD.

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah one has amazing up air ladders and the other suffers from little max disease

  • @jim66russell
    @jim66russell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    dude peach and daisy's are ss tier

  • @smashcelebrity
    @smashcelebrity 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great ideas!! Awesome job

  • @Zoroark_Master
    @Zoroark_Master 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Are you implying that volt tackle (pikachu evolution line signature move) isn’t a good fit for pikachu???
    For pichu I might understand, for variety, but volt tackle is the most fitting FS for him (outside maybe his special Z-move of Gmax form, but those are currently a one game thing)

    • @dudono1744
      @dudono1744 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Back in the day the only way to get volt tackle was breeding so it fits pichu

    • @Zoroark_Master
      @Zoroark_Master 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dudono1744 ok, so...?

    • @poliorice3600
      @poliorice3600 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Zoroark_Master no Pikachu could have had volt tackle without being a volt tackle pichu, so it fits perfectly

    • @Zoroark_Master
      @Zoroark_Master 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@poliorice3600 what?? You make no sense.
      Pikachu having volt tackle as his FS is simply the most fitting FS he could have.
      (No idea what you’re talking about)

    • @poliorice3600
      @poliorice3600 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Zoroark_Master I said it fits pichu just as much

  • @omlett6482
    @omlett6482 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DKs alternate Final smash putting the enemy into a barrel and then punching them is also a reference to DKC Tropical freeze where at the end of a stage you'd mash your heart out on the finish barrel

  • @Marshmallow95936
    @Marshmallow95936 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dark pits final smash is actually (Judging by the looks) him using the dark pit staff. A weapon that references him, and has a ridiculously good charge shot in kid icarus uprising

  • @kevandre
    @kevandre 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm definitely in favor of replacing Chrom in Robin's, though I think a fun choice would be to have a revolving door of awakening characters that can appear here. Not the whole cast or anything but just the more popular characters, I guess minus Tharja since she seems banned from smash. But it'd be neat to get Morgan, Owain, Cordelia, and Lissa as possibilities? And it's randomly chosen, each with a different effect. Like Morgan doubles down on the bolganone to be just like dad, Owain takes up Chrom's slashing, Cordelia runs through them on her Pegasus and shoots the opponent upward at final strike, and maybe Lissa does less damage to the opponent but heals Robin a bit
    There's a lot of potential there for some fun imo

  • @jeaninemcintosh5080
    @jeaninemcintosh5080 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I actually really like the idea of Mario’s new final smash, and I think if they were the change it, they could totally keep the “bigger” fireball in as a way to bring the opponents into the cutscene

  • @darthoak5453
    @darthoak5453 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Peach and daisy... have probably the best final smashes in the game...

  • @1dayago843
    @1dayago843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    _>fake smash ball isn't going to be fooling anybody_
    Try playing with friends and in the middle of a chaotic battle

  • @peepschilli8852
    @peepschilli8852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    ok no way peach and daisy have one of the worst final smashes, you literally get a free KO or at least a lot of damage, not to mention heal to full health

    • @mythoughtsexactly2145
      @mythoughtsexactly2145 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah its really broken

    • @thesandkingdom
      @thesandkingdom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ye but he said it has no reference and he wants to change that...
      Thats... the point of the video

    • @peepschilli8852
      @peepschilli8852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@thesandkingdom yeah but he said gameplay wise its bad

    • @poliorice3600
      @poliorice3600 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@thesandkingdom and he also messed up completely on dark pit's final smash

    • @concon6012
      @concon6012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It might be overpowered, but The attack isn’t even in the mario series, and it’s so dumb in my opinion

  • @autumnassassin8263
    @autumnassassin8263 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always wanted a special victory screen if you finished the match with a final smash similar to jokers secret victory screen, it would be small but would just be all the more satisfying

  • @TheAustin1
    @TheAustin1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder when they're going to make something called an ultimate Final Smash

  • @Superemie401
    @Superemie401 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got a little idea for Falco: He would jump in his Arwing and, behind the stage, he’ll attack the other characters with those good old lasers and he’ll finish with a Smart Bomb.

  • @annlewis7279
    @annlewis7279 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Have you played kIU? Not saying it’s bad but there is actually significance in Dark pits final smash.

    • @espurrseyes42
      @espurrseyes42 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's based on him because he's a boss (a lot of boss characters have weapons based on them), and he used it one time in one level in an optional encounter. And the result in Smash is just "a bigger arrow" essentially since it's a ripoff of Zelda and Sheik's Light Arrow, which is now being copied by Link's Ancient Arrow, which makes far more sense for him to have given that was one of the first things shown off about BotW.

  • @DarkPsychoMessiah
    @DarkPsychoMessiah 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You may think the fake items don't fool anyone and you might be right, but in the heat of a match you don't really notice such minute difference

  • @a-bomb7779
    @a-bomb7779 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I still like the idea of 3 custom Final Smashes for each character examples:
    DK 1. Jungle Rush
    2. Konga Beat
    3. Rambi Charge (cinematic)
    Luigi 1. Poltergust
    2. Negative Zone
    3. Luigi Finale (electric type Mario Finale)
    Yoshi 1. Stampede
    2. Super Dragon
    3. Mega Eggdozer
    Inkling 1. Killer Wale
    2. Booyah Blast
    3. Inkstrike
    Kirby 1. Ultra Sword
    2. Robobot
    3. Hypernova
    Bowser Jr koopalings
    1 Paint (change to an sparkly X made from wands for koopalings)
    2 Doom Ship
    3 Mecha Bowser
    Link 1 Ancient Arrow
    2 Triforce Slash
    3 Wolf Link Maul (cinematic)
    Young Link 1 Fierce Diety
    2 triforce slash omega (cinematic)
    3 ocarina of time
    Toon Link 1 Wind god's Aria
    2 Big Bomb
    3 Spirit Train (cinematic)
    Ganon 1 Beast Ganon
    2 Summon Blights
    3 Triforce of Power
    Want more just ask

    • @mastercobragaming8780
      @mastercobragaming8780 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What about for Bowser?

    • @a-bomb7779
      @a-bomb7779 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      1 Giga Bowser (smash 4 ver)
      2 Fury Bowser (like ult version but with flame breath instead of a
      punch)
      3 Inhale (from Bowser's inside story)

    • @mastercobragaming8780
      @mastercobragaming8780 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@a-bomb7779 the Vacuum block sounds cool and would be fun to use

  • @Nosretep
    @Nosretep 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dark Pit Staff is based on the Staff Special Attack in Sky Battles. The exact same thing the Arrow Special Attack. But Staff Special Attack only hits things in front of it just like Smash.
    Also it's one of the best Final Smashes in the game. It's boring but practical.
    Also Dark Pit Staff is actually unique in Ultimate unlike Pit's which is a clone of the Dragoon item.
    I don't think you know the source materials of these attacks.

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s not exactly unique it’s very similar in function to the ancient arrows on ultimate and Zelda and shieks light arrows from brawl and sm4sh

    • @Nosretep
      @Nosretep ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jmurray1110 It's not similar to Ancient Arrows. It's unique in Ultimate since Light Arrows are replaced. Also Ancient Bow & Arrow doesn't have a stun box and they don't pierce through multiple options. Arrows explode on contact the Dark Pit Staff doesn't.

  • @tugazu
    @tugazu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So change every final smash into a cutscene. Wow so original its definatly gonna make fibal smashes have more identity and distinction.

    • @mastercobragaming8780
      @mastercobragaming8780 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If every Final Smash was a cutscene, they would be hella boring

    • @tugazu
      @tugazu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mastercobragaming8780 Yeah

    • @xxdestroyerxxal
      @xxdestroyerxxal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not like ultimate didn't do that already
      I really miss these final smashes where you could do something

  • @readyplayerthree3
    @readyplayerthree3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What do you mean with the fake smash ball not fooling anyone? Void was fooled so many times in Alpharad's casual invitational and he's a top player! :P

  • @pissedlouie_6668
    @pissedlouie_6668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dark pits final smash that you came up with is just pits from smash 4 but with arrows pinning down people.

    • @pissedlouie_6668
      @pissedlouie_6668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And where did you get the idea of pinning arrows?

  • @morcatna4767
    @morcatna4767 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yo what’s up Siiroth! Great Vid!

  • @petesoys6348
    @petesoys6348 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think you're the first person that didn't change Sonic's final smash. I really want it back to Brawl/4/WiiU. Anyone else?

    • @chunkymonkey7983
      @chunkymonkey7983 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same.

    • @ILuvBayonetta
      @ILuvBayonetta 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s gone because they got rid of transformation final smashes so if it got added back then all of the transformation final smashes would have to be added back

    • @petesoys6348
      @petesoys6348 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well I don't have a problem with that :p.

  • @friendlyyoutubecommenter4527
    @friendlyyoutubecommenter4527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lightning Chariot is just a Dragoon with extra steps

  • @phoenixandy
    @phoenixandy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like a really cool idea for Mario’s FS would be using the Super Star, which is one of the strongest and most iconic power-ups from Mario. It could work either like DK’s final smash where Mario traps the enemy and does a combo or be a dash forward strike like Marth. I personally think it’s the most fitting idea for Mario.

  • @edwardramos4591
    @edwardramos4591 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I was to change Young Link's Final Smash, I would have it be either a cutscene where he blitzes the opponent with his all his Mask forms, or simply have him use Din's Fire (working akin to a Smart Bomb or Hero's Magic Burst) if only to remain more consistent with his more Ocarina of Time-based aesthetic.
    Personally, I too would have given Bowser Jr a cinematic where he bombards the opponent from an airship, especially since the Koopalings are synonymous with airships and Bowser Jr. has become more associated with them than with the Magic Paintbrush, or at least give the existing Final Smash a visual change where only Bowser Jr. transforms and the other Koopalings make the X using their wands.

  • @superagaming_064
    @superagaming_064 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For Princess peach we can replace it with random moves from princess peach show time
    Imagine that
    Starting with sword fighter peach to trough the opponent into the air fallowing with chef peach to putt spices on them and finishing off with a Kong fu kick from Kong fu peach

  • @metalmario64
    @metalmario64 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:40 that's something that I always felt. The point was to make everything more chaotic, but removing them just meant that you dodge at the right time and nothing happens.

  • @ukulelevillain4170
    @ukulelevillain4170 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What? A free fully charged smash attack and 45% heal? Peaches ultimate is the BEST ultimate. I understand that there are no differences between the 2 but calling it the worst is absurd.

  • @rockowlgamer631
    @rockowlgamer631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I did like Pit's Brawl version, they could just make it a cutscene where he orders the Palutena's army to attack
    DK using his coconut gun would be cool

    • @WiiMoteGodYT
      @WiiMoteGodYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      DK meaning Donkey Kong if I'm not mistaken with Diddy, right?

    • @friendlyyoutubecommenter4527
      @friendlyyoutubecommenter4527 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Now imagine if they brought his Side-Special back

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would probably be better as palus final smash
      Also the centurions are kind of absolutely worthless and pits the only half decent member and is her go too

    • @rockowlgamer631
      @rockowlgamer631 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jmurray1110 true

    • @PLASBEZ
      @PLASBEZ ปีที่แล้ว

      Donkey Kong's coconut gun should be his neutral B to rival against K Rool's neutral B

  • @poke-maniacchris2965
    @poke-maniacchris2965 ปีที่แล้ว

    "I got excited... and then found out that it's not gonna be fooling anybody."
    You say that, but top player Void lost to MVD at Alpharad's Casual Invitataional because he was fooled by it at 30;43 in that vod

  • @redacted3876
    @redacted3876 ปีที่แล้ว

    Steve already has a really good final smash but I thought it would be a fun idea to come up with another concept that I feel would also work for Steve’s final smash
    So here it is
    Steve pulls out a command block and is given a small list of commands to input
    Tp
    Summon
    Effect
    If TP is selected the nearest opponent is selected and a cursor is used to select where you want to teleport them
    If Summon is selected your given a choice of 3 mobs
    The Ender Dragon
    Iron golem
    Charged Creeper
    And if you pick effect your given the choice between Slowness, Poison, and Nausea all of them will work identical to how they do in the actual game except nausea which would reverse the targets controls
    I don’t know that mich about game balancing so I don’t know how broke this would be but I think it could work

  • @BeIlG
    @BeIlG 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    such a fun video. loved it

  • @jordanjohnson8261
    @jordanjohnson8261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Kinda wish all of the characters had a cinematic final smash. All of the newer characters seem to have so much more thought put into them

    • @Nosretep
      @Nosretep 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Heck no. Cinenatic stop the flow of battles.

    • @jordanjohnson8261
      @jordanjohnson8261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Nosretep and regular ones don't?

    • @Nosretep
      @Nosretep 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jordanjohnson8261 Nope. They don't force me to watch a random cutscene.

    • @jordanjohnson8261
      @jordanjohnson8261 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nosretep well hey that's your opinion. Personally I just feel like the there's a lot more you can do with the cinematics and I feel like the ones for the newest fighters have a lot of cool references in them.

    • @doggosho3044
      @doggosho3044 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nosretep nearly every final smash slows it down but I'm not gonna change what you think

  • @harperbass1832
    @harperbass1832 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think young links smash has some great potential. You would put on the mask and regain control over the character with it on. You now get to get a HUGE power boost with the fierce deity sword

  • @Gazing-09
    @Gazing-09 ปีที่แล้ว

    The idea of replacing Mario's Final Smash to one that warp the enemy to a 8 bit castle stage full of traps, enemies and lava.
    If you could do it for Dr. Mario it could do the same but warp them inside an unknown living being that is affected by those Red/Blue/Yellow Virus monsters, raining on the enemies. Then Dr. Mario shows up with a deluge of pills causing a huge explosion of electricity.

  • @Trashley652
    @Trashley652 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think Steve's final smash should have been creative mode, a transformation final smash like they used to have

  • @Yipper64
    @Yipper64 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    11:54 a good middle ground might be if it ocasionally does a sort of glitch animation. It would make people hesitant to hit smashballs to quickly because they could be fake, so they wait it out, but while their attention is on the ball, seeing if it glitches, they are open for attack.

  • @Dawnbuneary
    @Dawnbuneary 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another idea for Toon Link would be to instead reference Spirit Tracks, where a cinematic would play where the opponent gets knocked onto a racing Spirit Train while Phantom Zelda and Toon Link team up to attack ths opponent!
    or he could run them over with his train and get his licence revoked idk

  • @MalachiCo0
    @MalachiCo0 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dark Pit's Staff is actually exactly what I was hoping he'd have as his FS when I first thought about him in 4

  • @Yarharsuperpirate
    @Yarharsuperpirate 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For Dark Pit, what I would do is something similar to zero suit samus. With him flying in the background and firing several high damage shots towards the stage. Of course using his signature staff weapon. This being a real reference to his chapter 6 battle in uprising. Or the part before it atleast where he's constantly trying to snipe Pit.

  • @unqualifiedtoast700
    @unqualifiedtoast700 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:56 It's a reskin but way stronger. Kinda like Dr. Mario in general. He's a reskin with stronger attacks, some better moves and a PhD

  • @El_Mince
    @El_Mince 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dark pit’s fs does have a reference

  • @JoseElErizo5663
    @JoseElErizo5663 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:46
    Me: M E G A M A R I O

  • @HeraldOfOpera
    @HeraldOfOpera ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually really liked the dichotomy of Pit and Dark Pit with their respective Final Smashes in 4. Normal Pit pulls out endgame gear and sprays shots everywhere with the finishing blow being capable of missing due to pure luck. Dark Pit doesn't have time for that crap; he gives you a curt "goodbye" and kills you quickly and efficiently (IIRC it's second only to Marcina's Critical Hit in knockback).

  • @rawrpopsicles
    @rawrpopsicles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would love to see meta knight’s galaxia darkness come back. I just don’t really get what’s going on with his new one, even as a massive Kirby fan. Plus galaxia darkness was simple and elegant and fit the character much much better

  • @Calebmcquaig
    @Calebmcquaig 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    DK not having his barrel as a recovery never sat right with me

  • @mustard_96
    @mustard_96 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My idea for Mario has always been Top of the Flagpole. A flagpole pops up in front of him like Banjo’s FS and an animation plays of Mario jumping to the top, fireworks going off, and him sliding down.
    Also for Dark Pit, it’s not an arrow. It’s a weapon called the Dark Pit Staff. I agree that it’s boring, and I like your idea, but it is actually a thing from Uprising

  • @nelmasster
    @nelmasster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Final Smashs I would change:
    *Mario:* Mario Finale is okay, but Mario should to transform into Fire Mario, since that palette was cut from Ultimate.
    *Donkey Kong:* Jungle Rush is okay, but I think Konga Beat fits better with DK. Jungle Rush can work as a Infinite Neutral Attack, it's a flurry of punches that finish with an uppercut, like Bowser Jr's.
    *Dark Samus:* Phazon Laser now would inflict continuous poison damage (like Yuri Kozukata's camera), since Phazon is a highly radioactive substance.
    *Pikachu:* Volt Tackle should to be Pikachu's Side B, similar to Charizard's Flare Blitz. For its Final Smash, I would choose 10,000,000 Thunderbolt, Ash's Pikachu's signature Z-Move.
    *Jigglypuff:* Change Puff Up's visual effects to look like Dynamax. And it needs a different function too, IDK, hit three times and the final soundwave is a finishing blow.
    *Daisy:* Remove the edible flowers and make flowes sprout in the opponents' heads instead.
    *Lucina:* Awakening Aether but with some animations different to Chrom's.
    *Young Link:* You can keep the Triforce Slash, but PLEASE put on the Fierce Deity Mask.
    *Pit:* Bring back the Three Sacred Treasures, just make them faster.
    *Sonic:* I have no complaints about his current Final Smash, but...I think a Team Blast from Sonic Heroes would be cool. I imagine the special Team Blast that Team Sonic use against Metal Overlord (just fly with the power of the Chaos Emeralds and hit the opponents, but now Tails and Knuckles would help).
    *Toon Link:* He uses the Wind Waker for a taunt only, why? Play Ballad of Gales and send your enemies away.
    *Robin:* Summon Grima and burn them all with its fire breath, like in Fire Emblem Heroes.
    *Richter:* Simon keeps the Grand Cross where he summons a coffin and uses the move during a cutscene. Richter summons the energy crosses in the stage instead, working similar to Ken's Shinryuken.

    • @Siiroth
      @Siiroth  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting ideas! Dark Samus one seems pretty cool

    • @mistahl5350
      @mistahl5350 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Expanding on the Toon Link idea. Ballad of Gales sucks up foes right in front of him, then while they're taking constant damage in the funnel, the King of Red Lions, Tetra's pirate ship, and Linebeck's ship all shoot at the funnel. It finishes with a big burst of damage as all who are caught inside are blown up by all the bombs in the funnel with them. Launched in possibly random directions?

    • @byronvonedmund
      @byronvonedmund 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why summon Grima if he's not posessed by it in Smash?

    • @nelmasster
      @nelmasster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@byronvonedmund
      And Pokémon can have four moves only
      Smash is not always accurate

    • @byronvonedmund
      @byronvonedmund 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nelmasster okay, let's give Ryu turning evil then, despite him throwin the Satsui no Hado in SF5