@@Arden747 yes, but do YOU play like this guy do? most people will find value with both playstyles unless you're at uber god level like these speedrunners.
Stance is completely broken, you can hold the stance a couple seconds during your combo to block attacks, making it literally a continuous dps even for beginner. Activate savage axe, hit once, wait for the monster hit, block, then attack again, rinse and repeat. The fluidity you get is insane
Great run again, Deva. Im learning Savage playstyle so I can have an excuse to use Gore's charge blade. I just wish that it wasn't so much of a chore to use sometimes.
I'll always prefer the SAED playstyle, but I'm happy Savage Axe style is good too. Unga Bunga is fun, but sometimes you wanna just go buzzsaw on some monster. Side note: Gonna make me cry with that music. Already prepared to see the ending in HD.
I tried SAED spam on rajang and furious rajang. I miss my SAED’s half of the time then he bodies because of the long animation. Tried savage axe on him and I never looked back.
I don’t think I’ll ever be a full convert for this style of savage axe. Don’t like the hitstop, don’t like that it generates phials, don’t like how it doesn’t feel versatile in terms of going in and out of it. IB’s felt like an evolution of the 4U way of playing CB. This feels like it’s trying too hard to be something else. Only reason I use CSS nowadays is because impact SAED has way lower kill times in the late game content compared to element and CSS. If they buffed impact a bit more/eventually give us artillery 5 like in IB, then I’ll never look back.
I mean it´s only natural that super endgame the move that scales better wins out in the end. Savage axe scales with literally everything raw, ele, crit, crit boost, crit ele. While SAED scaled with element (+all the %dmg increases ofc) and nothing else.
i feel like if they had it the same way as IB, where you can switch in and out at anytime with guard points, i feel like it would feel a bit less clunky
@@daddysnake5250 I felt like they split CB up to have an excuse to use wirebugs for it. It felt great in Iceborne being able to adapt and switch during the fight to use Axe or SAED/AED. Savage Axe feels clunky for me now that I stick to SAED in Sunbreak
Curious, which style do you find more consistent? I know these delirious 1HP runs aren't representative of a normal hunt (guessing >20 deaths per 1 good run), but clearly you know the ins and outs of most of the monsters with it. The potential of savage axe is higher than SAED, but is it more consistent as well?
Youre not wrong, speedrunning is not comparable to the average gameplay scenario unless you're an actual speedrunner. Depends, for multiplayer for example its hard to fixate on monster weakspots therefore saed would be more consistent dps unless you have a good team that locks the monster down. also you wont be running heroics on solo so probably just the average counter saed gameplay can be more consistent.
My brother in Christ, what switch skill are you using to cancel the spinning axe animation?? And is it the same one you used to parry in axe mode?? Insane stuff, haven’t seen this tech in other vids
It's Ready Stance, lets you go back straight into Elemental Discharge 2 (but only if you don't input a direction on the analog stick, otherwise it goes into ED1).
I know valstrax CB has an elemental phial. But are impact CBs with high elemental values such as Shagaru CB worth it for elemental savage axe playstyle? I want to build my own elemental chainsaw sets after playing a lot of SAED lately.
yeah i was swapping back and forth between Gore Magala and Valstrax CB. Gore magala hit only 5 less per tic but i had a more controlled fight due to k.o. Impact with element is definitly the way to go. This run is a hard exception for me and needed a lot of optimizing to make not having K.O worth.
@@IDeVaste So impact is less demanding buildwise and more comfortable than element. Gotcha. Also should I stick with Gore CB instead of Shagaru? I know Shagaru has less attack than the former but its high elemental value caught my attention. I don't really know the math behind elemental damage but would like to have your insights on this one. Thanks!
@@fudx3092 Pretty much all of the Shagaru Weapons are straight downgrades because level 1 rampage slot means they can't run Wyvern / Fanged / whatever Exploit for the free 5% raw. You're better off with Gore.
Ive had a huge shift to SA cuz of your vids and its hella fun! Does your caption mean that elemental is always better? Ive been running impact so far but dont mean losing out on knockouts for more damage since i mostly play multiplayer with friends
The best is to run impact with element. For example gore magala for dragon. So you have the extra elemental damage but also the k.os. Me not going a k.o was a hard exception to have more damage but also grind for good rng
I wonder if it's worth running a power phial CB for this kind of play. You'd get a KO or two, and the phial explosion damage isn't that high compared to the damage you're getting out of the savage axe ticks. Still, you locked this thing down pretty much the whole time so maybe it doesn't matter.
Savage axe is handicapped in Rise. In the sunbreak demo Capcom gives players ready stance but no guard. And they also hide the Air dash. Unless a player is a chainsaw main he won't touch this play style at all
Why are you using Throwarm scrolls on your palamutes instead of Blitz scrolls? Is it because throwarm is more dps and you can only cause so many paralysis in a hunt so blitz scroll is useless basically?
i actually dont know which is better i was using heavy strike until now. throwarm is good for short runs because it activates instantly. I dont really pay much attention optimizing the dogs
@@IDeVaste Ya I have really been into speedrunning lately and honestly, the playstyles are so different. My regular hunts I don't care if something goes wrong, but speedrunning if anything happens that takes too much time away, instant quest abandon. I don't think there is much difference overall in a regular hunt, but optimizing dogs in a speedrun makes more sense to me.
as of sunbreak, there's an option to set whether or not you start wyvern riding when you attack a monster. under controls, it's the "buttons for wyvern riding" row.
@@TheTriforceFede lol bow has dodgebolt, it is better than any shield. there is no trade off. bow has style op damage means to survive constant damage output tail cutting maneuverability is truly the most op weapon in this game, even better than LS new strongarm stance of GS is pretty good, but i think bow still got it weapon toer list ss - bow, GS s - HBG, LBG, LS shit tier - the rest they are not actually shit but weapons above are far morw superior to the rest
@@zolozoro58 Why would that matter at all when all weapons can kill monsters and are viable. I mean if you like using weapons that can easily finish a quest faster, then more power to you. Everyone except the new fans in the community know that ranged weapons have always been broken so it's not much of a surprise, now LS and GS are also joining that category. But i will not use a weapon just because it does insane amounts of damage. Iam CB, Lance and GL main. Nothing they can ever add to the popular OP weapons will ever make me switch from my mains.
I'm a 300 hour longsword main on mhw but it feels pretty atrocious on rise. I can't believe i'd every say this considering that longsword IS the mh experience for me but I think i'll be switching to charge blade.
Deva be like "My ramen is going to take about 3 minutes, what can I do? 🤔" Honestly, I think Savage is more satisfying in terms of visual damage output and visceral feedback. I lean more towards savage because it's a fresh experience compared to OG charge blade.
i usually use always impact since a full lock is more DPS, but the valstrax Cb did about 10% more damage than the gore so i kinda went with valstrax since gore despite the full lock wasnt giving me sub4 easily
@@RaidenSTX should be. 20% base affinity is huge since you dont need to invest in any crit eye. I was hitting for 84 per tic with gore while 89 with valstrax.
Is not a mod. In sunbreak you can change the option so you dont wyvern ride by default when you attack. The other option is press A only when your weapons are sheathed.
I remember in base Rise, Savage Axe was more viable because SAED have a bad hitbox Now in Sunbreak, they fixed SAED hitbox, but Savage Axe still remains superior
@@1ztype343 How are they more equal in time? Deva made a 5:19 SAED and a 3:30 Savage Axe run. That's not equal. He himself is saying savage is stronger.
@@stephenjohn2131 Most SB players actually wish it wasn't. But killtimes prove that Savage Axe still is stronger if you talk purely about damage output.
Rise's savage axe just feels too clunky and unusable if it isn't a scripted run. Sunbreak monster are just too fast to roll around like an idiot an axe mode and copoing with ready stance like its going to do anything besides just loop elem discharge combo 2.
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I am converting to a Savage Axe Main from hating on it 😔... Who bewitched me?
Nothing wrong with figuring it out and acknowledging it. Cool beans 👍🏼
I look forward to the builds
It was Angbata
No worries, go back playing savage axe in Iceborne a few times and you'll be right back to despising it in Sunbreak
Good to see you converted :D Funnily enough I have 350 hunts on Sunbreak with Savage Axe and I started using SAED today for a change :P
Amazing music choice with this video hahaha! and as always a stupendous run
I'm really happy that both styles are viable. Not forced to play one way or another by dealing less damage
The only thing is that the savage axe run from the same guy takes 40% less time than the saed run. And it is not cause he played bad
@@Arden747 yes, but do YOU play like this guy do? most people will find value with both playstyles unless you're at uber god level like these speedrunners.
@@Stevexupen doesn't change the fact that one playstyle is 40% slower at killing than the other one
@@slimegante7663 I’m not changing any fact, in fact my first word accepted it.
@@slimegante7663 savage axe isnt 40% faster than saed if you cant keep the monster locked down like this lol
Stance is completely broken, you can hold the stance a couple seconds during your combo to block attacks, making it literally a continuous dps even for beginner.
Activate savage axe, hit once, wait for the monster hit, block, then attack again, rinse and repeat. The fluidity you get is insane
Love the Crisis Core music. Can't wait to play the release of it on steam this winter. Awesome run!
Great run again, Deva.
Im learning Savage playstyle so I can have an excuse to use Gore's charge blade. I just wish that it wasn't so much of a chore to use sometimes.
Crying at this speedrun. Mostly because of zachs theme but also the damage
Props to the music choice. Definitely brought back painful memories 😢
The Price of Freedom theme fits perfectly when doing this with 1 HP. ;~;
I'll always prefer the SAED playstyle, but I'm happy Savage Axe style is good too. Unga Bunga is fun, but sometimes you wanna just go buzzsaw on some monster.
Side note: Gonna make me cry with that music. Already prepared to see the ending in HD.
I always prefer Savage Axe but it is great to know that it can be better than Saed on some match ups
I tried SAED spam on rajang and furious rajang. I miss my SAED’s half of the time then he bodies because of the long animation. Tried savage axe on him and I never looked back.
I don’t think I’ll ever be a full convert for this style of savage axe.
Don’t like the hitstop, don’t like that it generates phials, don’t like how it doesn’t feel versatile in terms of going in and out of it.
IB’s felt like an evolution of the 4U way of playing CB. This feels like it’s trying too hard to be something else.
Only reason I use CSS nowadays is because impact SAED has way lower kill times in the late game content compared to element and CSS. If they buffed impact a bit more/eventually give us artillery 5 like in IB, then I’ll never look back.
Ok
Manee 🤓
I came here for savage axe video, left crying from the music
My man used the OG's song Under the apple tree, I feel one more time blessed with your content !
Eyo the music kinda feels like pain 🥲
Congrats on the fast time though!
If Savage Axe didn't hurt my fucking finger from holding down buttons I would instantly be using it.
Loveless... Act 1. 😂 Good time to be a CB main. Both playstyle are viable and can easily be swap. Nice 👌
The price of freedom....is steep..
I'm glad Savage Axe is good, but man it's just one move. I hope the next MH fleshes it out more.
Man, that song. 10/10
I mean it´s only natural that super endgame the move that scales better wins out in the end. Savage axe scales with literally everything raw, ele, crit, crit boost, crit ele. While SAED scaled with element (+all the %dmg increases ofc) and nothing else.
Boy oh boy, the price of freedom sure is high.
Neat, but I still hate using spinning axe. Even if it's much less than optimal, i like the feel of CES and Axe Hopper.
i feel like if they had it the same way as IB, where you can switch in and out at anytime with guard points, i feel like it would feel a bit less clunky
@@daddysnake5250 I felt like they split CB up to have an excuse to use wirebugs for it. It felt great in Iceborne being able to adapt and switch during the fight to use Axe or SAED/AED. Savage Axe feels clunky for me now that I stick to SAED in Sunbreak
Man, i remember a speedrun on base world on a deviljho with this music, its been just 4 years yeat it looks like its been way more
Two completely different playstyles and yet they're both fun and powerful. Charge blade goat
That price of freedom
Zack Fair : Boy oh boy, the price of freedom is steep.
Curious, which style do you find more consistent? I know these delirious 1HP runs aren't representative of a normal hunt (guessing >20 deaths per 1 good run), but clearly you know the ins and outs of most of the monsters with it. The potential of savage axe is higher than SAED, but is it more consistent as well?
Youre not wrong, speedrunning is not comparable to the average gameplay scenario unless you're an actual speedrunner. Depends, for multiplayer for example its hard to fixate on monster weakspots therefore saed would be more consistent dps unless you have a good team that locks the monster down. also you wont be running heroics on solo so probably just the average counter saed gameplay can be more consistent.
Savage Axe moveset is simpler so I assume that tbh.
@@IDeVaste well put, thanks for the insight
@@JustSpag ehh, its really just whatever is more effective against a given monster, which will most likely be SAED cuz its just caveman spam
God I love the pizza cutter mode. So satisfying to get all the ticks of damage in.
The camera turn lmao
Nothing is more satisfying than savage axe mode tbh
perfection!!
So spicy 🔥 Nice run 👍🎉
Incredible run, i always wait for your Videos 4 Charge Blade.. But the Music choice, do you eant to make me cry? haha
I'm not very savvy about cancels and stuff, how are you blocking and resetting your stance in axe mode? Can anybody explain?
POG! the SAED in the beginning is actually 200 IQ.
GG Deva 🍻🔥
A great gameplay with a great music what more :D
crisis core music lets go
Do you run impact or elemental phials on your elemental charge blades and why? Thank you
I didn't know that Critical boost would work with elemental savage axe, great run!
Explain how you get the phial when comboing off cause I'm still not understanding how you just get a phial when you ready stance into circle button
Anyone know how?
My brother in Christ, what switch skill are you using to cancel the spinning axe animation?? And is it the same one you used to parry in axe mode?? Insane stuff, haven’t seen this tech in other vids
Specifically the parry at 1:07
It's Ready Stance, lets you go back straight into Elemental Discharge 2 (but only if you don't input a direction on the analog stick, otherwise it goes into ED1).
I just want both styles to have fun.
I know valstrax CB has an elemental phial. But are impact CBs with high elemental values such as Shagaru CB worth it for elemental savage axe playstyle? I want to build my own elemental chainsaw sets after playing a lot of SAED lately.
yeah i was swapping back and forth between Gore Magala and Valstrax CB. Gore magala hit only 5 less per tic but i had a more controlled fight due to k.o. Impact with element is definitly the way to go. This run is a hard exception for me and needed a lot of optimizing to make not having K.O worth.
@@IDeVaste So impact is less demanding buildwise and more comfortable than element. Gotcha.
Also should I stick with Gore CB instead of Shagaru? I know Shagaru has less attack than the former but its high elemental value caught my attention. I don't really know the math behind elemental damage but
would like to have your insights on this one. Thanks!
@@fudx3092 Pretty much all of the Shagaru Weapons are straight downgrades because level 1 rampage slot means they can't run Wyvern / Fanged / whatever Exploit for the free 5% raw. You're better off with Gore.
You have no fear of death
CB is super cool, but have you ever tried embracing your honor as Soldier?
How were you spamming the spinning axe in place without moving?
Los monstruos afligidos tienen demasiada vida...
I still hate how cluncky it is and how you lose the charge upon sheathing
You just need to get to the point where you dont need to sheath
@@moomanchu608 And do more get ups instead of wirefalls depending on the situation
Had no idea you could skip the upswing with ready stance
Rathian really is everyone's face punching bag huh.... That generous element hzv sure is convenient.
charge balde: the cooler switch axe
friggin magical
Ive had a huge shift to SA cuz of your vids and its hella fun! Does your caption mean that elemental is always better? Ive been running impact so far but dont mean losing out on knockouts for more damage since i mostly play multiplayer with friends
The best is to run impact with element. For example gore magala for dragon. So you have the extra elemental damage but also the k.os. Me not going a k.o was a hard exception to have more damage but also grind for good rng
are you hype for ff7r pt.2 lmao
nice run btw
I wonder if it's worth running a power phial CB for this kind of play. You'd get a KO or two, and the phial explosion damage isn't that high compared to the damage you're getting out of the savage axe ticks. Still, you locked this thing down pretty much the whole time so maybe it doesn't matter.
Oh, man, you are now getting to the dark side. And you are very welcome here.
Savage axe is handicapped in Rise. In the sunbreak demo Capcom gives players ready stance but no guard. And they also hide the Air dash. Unless a player is a chainsaw main he won't touch this play style at all
I want to see this with a full savage axe group like team dark side it would be beautiful 😍 most fav wep by far
What move is that on savage axe? I can never get it to do all those damage tiks
you should try putting your savage axe loadout on red scroll so that you get the 3 Atk Boosts with deriliction
I thing the red scroll is for elemental
Boy, the price of freedom is steep
Can Element Savage Axe use critical element? I don't know Savage can crit or not.
high risk high reward, you took all the reward :D
What do i have to do to keep that horizontal attack going like that?
what are the shades to be so good I suffer my hunts (Reverso)
Why are you using Throwarm scrolls on your palamutes instead of Blitz scrolls? Is it because throwarm is more dps and you can only cause so many paralysis in a hunt so blitz scroll is useless basically?
i actually dont know which is better i was using heavy strike until now. throwarm is good for short runs because it activates instantly. I dont really pay much attention optimizing the dogs
@@IDeVaste Ya I have really been into speedrunning lately and honestly, the playstyles are so different. My regular hunts I don't care if something goes wrong, but speedrunning if anything happens that takes too much time away, instant quest abandon. I don't think there is much difference overall in a regular hunt, but optimizing dogs in a speedrun makes more sense to me.
Won't we take chip damage when using Ready Stance?
How do you attack the monster without defaulting to wyvern riding when you trigger the animation? I tried looking it up but couldn't find anything.
as of sunbreak, there's an option to set whether or not you start wyvern riding when you attack a monster. under controls, it's the "buttons for wyvern riding" row.
The pizza cutter spin is the only thing keeping me from liking this style. If it's a normal meaty axe swing I'd prefer this over SAED every day.
😳
What silkbind skill do you use to animation cancel
Ready stance
Again a great run but now I have a challenge for you ! Can you try to beat a Bow WR with a Charge Blade ? What do you think maybe it s possible ?
No bow has 2-3x more damage (I assume it gets like sub 2 ). CB goes max like 3'10''
Not all weapons need to deal uber top tier damage, bow doesn't have a shield and in tradeoff it's got crazy damage
@@TheTriforceFede lol bow has dodgebolt, it is better than any shield. there is no trade off.
bow has
style
op damage
means to survive
constant damage output
tail cutting
maneuverability
is truly the most op weapon in this game, even better than LS
new strongarm stance of GS is pretty good, but i think bow still got it
weapon toer list
ss - bow, GS
s - HBG, LBG, LS
shit tier - the rest
they are not actually shit but weapons above are far morw superior to the rest
@@zolozoro58 Strongarm is Op if you know what you're doing
@@zolozoro58 Why would that matter at all when all weapons can kill monsters and are viable. I mean if you like using weapons that can easily finish a quest faster, then more power to you. Everyone except the new fans in the community know that ranged weapons have always been broken so it's not much of a surprise, now LS and GS are also joining that category. But i will not use a weapon just because it does insane amounts of damage. Iam CB, Lance and GL main. Nothing they can ever add to the popular OP weapons will ever make me switch from my mains.
I'm a 300 hour longsword main on mhw but it feels pretty atrocious on rise. I can't believe i'd every say this considering that longsword IS the mh experience for me but I think i'll be switching to charge blade.
Deva be like "My ramen is going to take about 3 minutes, what can I do? 🤔" Honestly, I think Savage is more satisfying in terms of visual damage output and visceral feedback. I lean more towards savage because it's a fresh experience compared to OG charge blade.
Savage axe go brrrr
I hated Savage Axe in base Rise, but in Sunbreak its all I ever run now.
This is just insane game play….
Cool song
Jeezus
how do you generate the phials in axe mode?
Rising slash in axe mode
THE PRICE OF FREEDOM IS STEEP
I have a sneaking feeling the animation cancel allowing most of this is going to get nerfed.
Don't say that 🤣😭
May i recommend impact type with slugger 3 for one hit KOs?
i usually use always impact since a full lock is more DPS, but the valstrax Cb did about 10% more damage than the gore so i kinda went with valstrax since gore despite the full lock wasnt giving me sub4 easily
@@IDeVaste wait, gore's weapon is better than malzeno's?
@@RaidenSTX should be. 20% base affinity is huge since you dont need to invest in any crit eye. I was hitting for 84 per tic with gore while 89 with valstrax.
is that a mod to skip wyvern riding? Is the speedrun community allowing that to be standard?
Is not a mod. In sunbreak you can change the option so you dont wyvern ride by default when you attack. The other option is press A only when your weapons are sheathed.
@@Gonzo_Neo thank u
Music?
Am I the only one who noticed he still hasn't explored the north side of the map?
What BGM?
I suddenly imagine the Afflicted version of Diablos would one shot you with anything lmao.
Dude you got the wrong weapon. You should be using the buster sword here because that's what I've been hearing in the background music. 😂
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I should learn to play CB...
I just know some random switch player 1:23 and blamed living on talisman
wait wait wait. I thought you claimed this was heresy.
I remember in base Rise, Savage Axe was more viable because SAED have a bad hitbox
Now in Sunbreak, they fixed SAED hitbox, but Savage Axe still remains superior
Superior? Haha you wish!
If say they're more equal in terms killing time but savage axe is much easier
@@1ztype343 How are they more equal in time? Deva made a 5:19 SAED and a 3:30 Savage Axe run. That's not equal. He himself is saying savage is stronger.
@@stephenjohn2131 Most SB players actually wish it wasn't. But killtimes prove that Savage Axe still is stronger if you talk purely about damage output.
Jesus christ 🤣🤣🤣 does savage axe hit like 6 times per hit?
Rathian is just fodder for everything
I think this version of Pizza cutter might be the most boring playstyle in MH so far. There was at least a little nuance to it in World
how dare you name your palamutes doge and not use the shiba inu layered armor
hi
Rise's savage axe just feels too clunky and unusable if it isn't a scripted run. Sunbreak monster are just too fast to roll around like an idiot an axe mode and copoing with ready stance like its going to do anything besides just loop elem discharge combo 2.
Eeeeeeeeeeee x62