Audi Insanity 2012 A8
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- A power steering pump replacement should be a relatively easy, straight forward effort. Audi didn't see it that way.
Jonny's long time customer needed the pump replaced in his 2012 Audi A8 and he needed it done quickly for a trip the following day.
For the sake of time the customer sourced a used pump and brought it in.
Jonny had never done this job on this model before but he knew it wasn't going to be easy.
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I am the original owner of my 2015 Audi S3 with over 180,000 miles on it. Did 99% of the work on the car myself. There are some days that i dream of owning an RS5, an S6 or some other "higher end" model. But then i see videos like this where you need to remove tons of drivetrain components to fix simple things, and reality hits. I'm going to give my S3 a big hug after this video !
Yeah, Audi gets a lot of flack in these comment sections, but I don't think it makes sense to lump the EA888 cars in with that
"I Do Cars" channel just tore down an Audi V10 - talk about insanity, got to see it to believe it. AC compressor and PS pump are chain drive / cam shaft driven, Alternator is water cooled and cost $1500 plus.
@@nebsampson8991 true. But 8hrs for a power steering pump is a big much
Yes! I’ve had 1.8T’s, 2.0T’s and they are infinitely more serviceable than the 4.2L S4 and RS4 I once owned. I did everything on these cars and don’t miss the 4.2L one bit.
@@thetechlibrarian look up the water pump on the Ford 3.5l V6 that's that's just crazy.
Seriously?! What a nice guy!! Johnny gives the industry a great name 😀
@@fw1421 I don’t agree with that statement. I think MOST try to do a good job and are honest.
Great shop owner and an inspiration to technicians everywhere, keep up the great work Jonny!
Watching Jonny is refreshing. Audis are nice looking cars, but watching this, makes me shy away. Probably have to pull the engine to replace the air filter...keep up the good work!!
One of my favorite channels, really appreciate you guys taking the time to film even though it slows you down. Big thanks to the editor too
Thank you for posting these videos. It’s a warning to anyone thinking about buying a used Audi or BMW. Get ready to pay $$$$ for repairs and maintenance.
Before the BMW fan bois chime in saying “just do your regular maintenance and it’ll be fine” NO! Regular maintenance shouldn’t include chasing and replacing all the leaking and cracking plastic parts in your engine bay, nor should it include dropping the engine to replace a water pump!
One of the best automotive channels on TH-cam. Ignore the haters, every technical channel has commenters typing "You're doing it wrong!" before they've finished watching
With just a bit more thought, Audi could have made this job nearly impossible. I'm surprised they didn't have the pump inside the engine, driven by the timing chain. That's the sort of lunacy you come to expect from German cars now.
I like how you tell it how it is. No sugar coating.
I need to see an interview with an Audi engineer , they need to explain this madness.
You would be better off interviewing an Audi accountant.
Audi Engineer: "A decision was taken that the power steering pump should be installed onto the engine prior to installing the engine and transmission assembly into the chassis, in order to save approximately $0.07 per unit across the production run. At no point was this questioned prior to assembly of the initial production line test mules, and so there was no opportunity to examine the serviceability of the component before programmatic inertia made it impossible to alter the configuration."
"I Do Cars" channel just tore down an Audi V10 - talk about insanity, got to see it to believe it. AC compressor and PS pump are chain drive / cam shaft driven, Alternator is water cooled and cost $1500 plus.
The decision was made because there is no space in front of the engine for anything, there is a few inches of clearance, which is why Audi has the front bumper "service mode".
Those aren't rings in the logo. Those are decimal places for the bill.
Insane to put a used power steering pump in with that much work involved. Customers aren't always right.
Good to hear that your back is better! Always enjoy your videos!
I have a 2008 Audi Allroad 3,0 TDI here in Latvia - and currently, the steering rack is leaking. Before that, there was a tiny leak on the hydraulic fluid reservoir (which is EXACTLY the same part as on this A8). I bought a used reservoir for EUR 15,00 - washed and blew it with air several times for about an hour - but apparantly, even that didn't wash it completely out of old fluid. So I put it on the car and filled back up with original Febi green liquid - in one week, my steering rack started to leak like crazy (never had any problems with it before). So now I've bought a new/refurbished steering rack from DRI Automotive (EUR 300), a new steering pump from JP Group (EUR 80 - but similar prices are available in a scope of +- 30 EUROS from Meyle, Bosch, etc) - a new reservoir again (this time completely new for EUR 28 during the black friday deals) and new hoses from Metzger and AIC to and from the rack (EUR 120 in total). In addition - the low pressure hoses to and from the heat-exchanger will also have to be replaced (will go for aftermarket silicone transparent ones - just to be able so see what flows inside of them). As I'll do the work myself, I consider to have survived the ordeal rather easily/cheaply. All the system will have to be replaced - just because of the crap that I thought I washed out - but apparently, didn''t - from the used reservoir. The complete front of the vehicle needs to come off to do the job (the pump is driven by the belt, not by the axle/differential as on this car). LONG STORY SHORT - I would highly advise the owner not to FAFF AROUND and spend the extra 100 dollars - and buy a new steering pump. Unless he wants to spend again - and spend more. Greetings from Latvia, good luck.
I swear, Audi works at least as hard on making the mechanic's job as difficult as possible as they do on engineering the actual vehicles. looks like they've managed to become even more advanced in their repair malevolence since my Allroad! 🤔
ps - glad your back is feeling better. back problems are no joke.
Mmm yes not good when your bending all day.
Audis have always been known as an engineering "after thought".... Nothing makes sense. Any mechanic I speak to tell me they cringe when an Audi pulls in. Johnny is the most honest mechanic I've ever known. God bless brother. Keep up the honest and hard work. That's why you are successful.
Always a pleasure to watch a Master Mechanic at work.
Mad respect to Jonny for doing a job like this...that looked absolutely brutal. I think if car buyers took the time to learn how their cars were engineered and how difficult (or not) it'll be to maintain, German auto makers would see a massive decrease in sales 🤣
After owning 5 BMW’s, I’ve given up on the Germans.
@@MrBigBoy4Life I did the same. Dropped $15k in repairs on my A6 with 74k miles. Then it it spun a bearing 5k miles later...
@@MrBigBoy4Life I’m with you…7 BMW’s, 4 MB and one Audi. Now Toyota and Lexus
Never have owned a German car, and after watching The Car Ninja's videos or Mr Wizard's video, I don't even think I would own one even if someone would give me one free of charge. If it ever needed repairs, well just the ball park prices they mention, well no thanks. Regardless of how pretty they are.
"I Do Cars" channel just tore down an Audi V10 - talk about insanity, got to see it to believe it. AC compressor and PS pump are chain drive / cam shaft driven, Alternator is water cooled and cost $1500 plus.
You're a gem Jonny! They're very lucky to have you willing to jobs like this. Don't think I will ever buy an Audi lol.
Enjoy the content and Jonny is a gem! I will never buy a German "engineered"
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Any time I think of buying a Porsche, Audi ,or BMW just watch a few of these videos. The only way to go is to buy new with warranty if you can afford it.
@@ron2368 lease it!
It's almost as if Audi/BMW/M-B are not really meant for use beyond the typical 3 year lease period. Hmmm....
I will bet Jonny declines the next one .... Even though the chargeable hours must be huge I don't think he needs this ...
As a retired mechanic i dont feel good letting others work on my car but johny is 100% genuine he gets my vote every time.
Well, apart from guessing where to put the engine support, and it doesn't look like there's any cushion (rubber, wood etc) between the screw jack and the engine's sump. I wouldn't want dents or scratches on a painted sump that later on, may rust because of that lost paint.
Bless you my son for all you do by working on Audi's BMW Mercedes et cetera the engineering at 1st seems phenomenal but trying to fix them and repair certain items can be a nightmare thank you and your crew You are all highly trained expert technicians hats off to you
The customer is lucky you would even do this job! Love it. Please keep posting. Greetings from the Old Jarhead in WNC
If i were the customer watching this video i would be kicking myself for not getting a new power steering pump (assuming they are available). what a PITA that job is. Good on you for treating your customers as friends.
Johny, don't listen to the haters. Great videos always. thank you.
Your a genuine solid citizen Johnny. I hope one day you can tweak my cross country E70. I have managed to maintain the machine for 2 years with onboard tools. Just recently traced a corroded can bus connector causing every module to throw codes in the vehicle. Scared me to death.
Sad thing is the Audi engineer who design this thing never have to change the steering pump! Be bless Johnny!
Thank you Jonny for showing me to NEVER even think about buying a used Audi.
You probably mean buying ANY used car without accounting for repairs which are most definitely likely "down the road"
@@iceyu2235 true but eight hours is a bit much for a power steering pump. And we all know that’s not the only thing on these cars that require a full front clip removal that can be serviced on other cars in two hours, even in this video, he mentioned the power steering rack has to come out to change the control alarm It would be one thing If they where super reliable but even basic things fail. Now don’t get me wrong I Still love them
@Nomen Clature I bought my used 4Runner in 2009. Since then only brakes, muffler/pipes, starter motor, front struts.
Their 4 cylinder cars are more manageable and fairly reliable if you replace fluids often
Get a Q5 💯💪much easier repairs
Audi is like "Hey, we designed this car to engineering perfection, but you have to remove the engine to add washer fluid. Now give us $80k."
lol yea
Thank you for showing the way cars are built today, I grew up in the 60's when you could work on you car in the driveway. Your videos show the layers of parts that have to be removed just to replace a small part. Great videos keep them coming.
It's not an apples to apples comparison, but on my 2007 Chevy Trailblazer the power steering pump replacement took me an hour, including removing and reseating the pulley.
@@groosbro1 Yeah they aren't all built this way, it's the Germans - they don't give a toss about long term reliability or repar-ability, they want you to replace the car every 3-5 years so no effort is put in to engineering to last. Audi, actually the whole VAG group - are the worst for it & often don't even stock parts for models for long after they become obsolete - the guy probably bought a second hand pump for this A8 either because Audi don't stock them any more now the car is 10 years old, or they are so insanely expensive that it makes the repair financially untenable if you use a new pump. Assholes, the lot of them.
@@Wheelman81
But at least it stays warm and dry, never mind spending $1-2K for what should be a 1 hour $400 starter.
Nice work! That looked rough! Love all the videos👏
For that amount of work, the customer was silly to provide a used part. Unless new parts weren’t available.
If the customer was good at making decisions he wouldn't own that car. Super complicated German disaster area That's now 11 years old.
They are trying to run the vehicle on a shoe string budget.
They are probably stretched to the maximum financially making car payments and trying to maintain a vehicle that makes them look rich.
Trying to impress people they will never meet by driving a vehicle they really can't afford...
Buying things you don't need with money you don't have to impress people you don't know.
As explained in the description, the customer needed it done quickly and a used part was all he could get on short notice.
@@realcarninja That's true. Getting an OEM part can take some time, especially if the part is placed on back-order.
You gotta love it. They drive it till the wheels fall off and have a "big trip" lined up right after the repairs are done, not giving you a chance to take your time with the job.
Paying for all that labour and giving them a 2nd hand pump to refit. Either the customer couldn't get a new one in time or they're stupidly expensive. It's still a big risk that it may fail again. I fitted a cheap door lock module from ebay to my VW. It was 9 times cheaper than the VW part. But I did the 3 hour job myself so it was worth the risk of the part not working.
If only all mechanics cared as much as Jonny.
Let's be honest, the auto sales/repair world isn't exactly overflowing with integrity!
Haters are always going to hate. If I could send you my cars from Northern California, I would in a heartbeat. Keep up the great work..
Reminds me of an old Married With Children episode. Jefferson bought an exotic car that was never out of the shop. When Al asked him what was wrong with it, Jefferson smiled and said proudly, "Something very expensive and very European!"
That was a good show! !
I remember watching it in the 90's
It was a R129 for sure probably 500sl
Customers do pay for special tools, that is a small portion of why we charge the first hour of diagnosis, to help collect money for special needs, training, subscriptions, etc. We do not consider our normal labor and the shop profits to pay for special needs to help us do the job better. The shop can pay for a shop heater or air-con unit. If we want to buy a nice bent wrench, that is on the individual tech. I won't get into a long list of what is special to the tech and a must-have for the shop, thanks for the video.
I wish I lived close by to Johnnys shop I’d take both of my BMWs to him in a heartbeat
A friend of mine had a V8 A8, and ran it for twelve months. It was like getting a wish out of his system. It WAS a lovely car to ride in, but it cost a fortune over twelve months so that having passed its UK MOT he sold it for not a small loss. He has a small Peugeot now. The Audi was eight years old, and Pug was two years older and has run faultlessly for eighteen months since the change.
Was the last simple quality car the Volvo 240? I had two of those. Okay that petrol was like mother's milk to them, but otherwise repairs were infrequent, easily done [so garage labour not a catastrophe] and the parts were no more than Ford or GM.
Nowadays there are no easy to work on cars!
Best wishes from George
A small Peugeot ! He REALLY got tired !
@@rodrigobelinchon2982 Everyone gets old in the end!
Best wishes from George
I bought a new Jimny. Thats easy to work on.
Customer must really love that Audi to pay for this job, but not enough to pay for a new part. Hope they don’t end up paying again to replace that used pump.
Says in the description they needed the car for the next day and couldn’t get a new part in time.
These jobs sometimes are a pain. All we can do is just keep it slow and steady and keep things moving along. Filming will get in the way as it makes you stop and perhaps explain things but that's the nature of the beast. Maybe Velocity can get you one of those wireless DJI mics and you can just talk as you work and not necessarily have to stop to point yourself at the camera since that's where the mic is.
Keep up the great job Johnny. :)
"Oh look, I can buy an Audi A8 on BAT for cheap. Then I can work on it in my driveway. All that luxury for a low price. Perfect !". This video dispels a lot of myths. Years of experience; all the tools; a car lift. And even then, it's 8 straight hours on your feet, working overhead, 2 man job at times. Stressed about not breaking anything when you're moving it out of the way. And the pressure of getting it right first time, every time. (And then the owner chooses to put in a used part for a wear item. The mind boggles ... ). Johnny, you earned your money on this one and no mistake. Great videography as always. We love you too Johnny and team ! Greetings from Prague. CZ
You want to see insanity? Get an insurance quote on an A8 TT 4.0L. The last time I checked, full coverage was $2,500 a month. My LS460 was $110 a month. A C7 Corvette was $82 a month.
I should have added to my recent comment that whoever is doing the video recording of your work is amazing. All of the videos are clear and even the audio is superb. Kudos to the videographer! 😊😊😊
Doesn't look like fun one.
.....as for the brakes. Weekend warriors will always bring you Chinese parts and will complain why they don't work.
Quality parts and works cost money. No need to explain yourself. Excellent job
"I Do Cars" channel just tore down an Audi V10 - talk about insanity, got to see it to believe it. AC compressor and PS pump are chain drive / cam shaft driven, Alternator is water cooled and cost $1500 plus.
Johnny is a class act.
Great attitude for a tough job!
I have an Audi A6 and it just makes me cringe watching videos about Audi repairs cause it's always negative, I feel I'm going to jinx myself watching them SMH 😏
First class ethics Jonny - I would have no trouble bringing any business your way mate. Any one would have confidence it was going to be done right and you would be treated right. respect.👍
We love you and the channel, Johnny ❤
i used to like BMWs and AUDIs and mercs before i knew much about working on cars, i'm mostly a DIY type but these videos help my urges of buying anything german
'By the time I do two of these, I'll be an expert..... All this for a tiny power steering pump... and this (replacement) is a used part...' Jonny, I see Expert Status in the near future.
Porsche late 924,944,951,968 is extremely easy to change PS pump, big changes since back in 80s
Complete madness on the part of the owner to cheap out buying a second hand pump when they're going to pay all that money in labour. When you pay for a big job like this, you want to be fitting a new OEM part for sure.
Shouldn't a car 'ninja' be working on Japanese cars ?
Just kidding , his talent would be wasted.
It’s time to sell my 2012 A8 asap 😂 what a nightmare to deal with. It took me a whole day just to replace rear coolant pipe. But I have to admit that it drives better than my 750 or s550
Dad of a buddy of mine had an A8 where the adjustable ride hight was kaput. Woke up one day to find he now had a slammed audi lol. Fixing it was an insane costly repair, not in parts but labour. They had to drop the engine to replace a part that was like €300 😂
Best mechanic on the web…not a bad bloke either…congrats on a great Vlog.
This is why most mechanics don't buy cars like this. Nobody wants to spend all day long working on a power steering pump on their own vehicle on their off day.
I see nothing has changed here. So much hate for "German cars". Yet they would rather have one if they could afford one instead of their boring Toyota that everyone and their moms have.
The madness that is german engineering……”Hans it seems to me that we could make this far more complicated, for instance we could put 7 things in the way and utilize 4 different fasteners this will make it more germanic”
Getting a used pump put in mine along with motor mounts/flex pipes at an independent shop. Labor for all this is over $3500. But its a luxury tank and still cheaper than a car payment.
Coolant tank reservoir is another must do on these. Can total out your car if faulty and left long enough.
Certainly glad I have never purchased an Audi! What were they thinking when they designed?
They act like "German engineering" is this pretigious badge of honor when in fact they should just be truthful and call it for what it really is, "Idiotic German engineering that makes you want to shoot yourself in the face".
All that work and the customer is putting in a "used power steering pump"?! That's definitely a sign that this owner can't afford this car.
All that work for a used power steering pump, tell the owner to buy a Civic. 😆
I don’t think I would put a used part in that location. But I’m sure a new one cost as much as used Camry. Lol
Johnny seems very real. We love you too Ninja man.
I agree, I’m surprised that he agreed to install it. I wouldn’t.
I never unstood why Audi put their most common failures in the worst freaking places
Probably so that the customer take it to the Audi dealer and Audi makes more money.
It’s money! Why would they design an engine that’s easy to work on? It drives dealer services. If they made a power steering pump easy to get to or an alternator or any other part easy to access they would lose a higher percentage of customers coming to the dealer to get it fixed. Once you look at the engineering of a vehicle from a bottom line view point you will completely understand everything they do. It’s not just German automakers doing this they all do it. Same reason most do not make a vehicle that will run 300,000 miles. There is no money in it for them and new car sales would drop. Again it’s not profitable for them.
loving this channel, keep it up!
That subframe bracket looks like Groot
Don’t buy an Audi, check! 😅 That’s quite the work, but having the right tools for the job is a plus. Great work 👍🏽
Audi cannot be serious!
All that for a little power steering pump. That is one poorly engineered car.
I will never buy a German car 🚗 😒
They make the best beer though!!
I always put a hood stut clamp when I'm using the engine support. I had a set go bad on an e90 one time and the hood slammed down on it and wrecked the hood. It was an expensive lesson
This is why the German sport luxury cars are so cheap used, the fact this customer purchased a used part to replaced the failed one shows all
With all of that labor, I'm really surprised you agreed with the customer to provide his own used power steering pump
Will never, ever buy such a ridiculous car ...hopefully
"Advil" always works.. my boy JONNY off a perk 💪🏼😂
Cars are made to go together... not to come apart.
Përshëndetjet më të mira, nga Gjermania.
Keep Up the good Work 🙌
Great job as always!
You guys are my favorite mechanic channel. Top quality work!
Audi. For when you want something way more complicated than it should be.
8 hours of labor and the owner didn’t want to pay for a new part?
Would you do this job again Friend?
Another great video. Thanks Jonny
As a DIY'er, every time I sway and think, "y'know what, maybe I will buy a German vehicle as my next car" I come to this channel and return to reality. Build quality may not be as good, but I'll stick with Japanese and American.
Take or leave this - but I enjoy the test drives at the end to see how they turned out. Realize u can’t always do it. But it’s nice when u can.
We do when we can...it's just not always so easy to do. It's a time thing.
Jonny reading instructions on how to change PS pump on an Audi A8 v-8.
Step 1: "unbolt half-shafts and control arms, then drop subframe"
Step 2: "Burn the car"
You might want to look at the VAG Technic TH-cam channel, they mainly work on Audi’s. UK based.
Awesome skills man, but stuff like this is why I own a boring 2012 Toyota Camry with over 200K on the OD that's had very few issues in it's lifetime.
Could he not have rented a Mustang for a week while a genuine part gets delivered?
Yes. That's a good idea. The prices of rental cars have come back down from their crazy highs.
Classic German car owner- "I'm going to pay you $1500-$1800 dollars in labor to change a $500 PS pump. Since it is such an expensive job, I bought this $250 reman to save some money on the job. What are you talking about, it voids the warranty? Do you not know what you are doing?"
I love these channels. Tells me what cars to avoid.
Jonny, your fantastic! I love your opennes, honesty and professionalism, you have the same 'attitude' as busgreasemonkey whom i also follow. We love you to and your a great montor and example, with your Team :)
As I always say, those four rings indicate the amount of money you’re going to spend on parts and repairs😂😂😂
Where can I find the tables for repair jobs. Labor rates and hours. Like this is an 8 hour job. How could I compare that to a Honda Civic
The more I learn about the Audi, the more I would not own one. Thanks for your videos.
Why do engineers design engines so hard to work on it's just crazy to me SMH
I wonder if it's the CAD software that they use. With CAD they can design a powertrain and all the connected parts so they can fit in a compact area.