Croesus of Lydia and the Lydians (plus Herodotus' tale of Croesus meeting Solon) | Podcast #7
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- In this video podcast, we take a look at the fabled king, Croesus of Lydia, at least from the point of view of Greek writers such as Herodotus and Xenophon. Croesus was a king who during his day (r. 560-546 BC) was deemed to have been the wealthiest sovereign in the world. However, he lost it all to the Persian king Cyrus the Great while finally learning the lesson that the great Athenian sage, Solon, was trying to convey to him. It's an interesting tale and fun to examine.
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Half of Herodotus's stories seem to include something like "well that's what I've heard anyway."
Yeah, which is why though I don't completely trust his stories, I don't fault him too much for what he wrote down... he was was only writing down what he heard ... maybe he fabricated some details here and there but overall I don't think that his intent was to be deceitful or pernicious.
Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come in 2021, stay safe!
I heard an interesting comment that Herodotus should be considered something closer to a journalist than to a historian, in modern terms
@@HistorywithCy It's my personal belief that Herodotus didn't make much up entirely PERSONALLY and tried to embellish as little as possibe.... but was also practical and knew that some embellishment of stories would mean that they'd be remembered, liked and spread more.
master of the ancient “allegedly”.
He’s the guy outside the concert selling knock off “great wonders” tshirts.
Man that Solon cameo gave me chills. No wonder Herodotus kept it in secret before the mass readings!
There is still a phrase in modern Greek society "μηδένα προ του τέλους μακάριζε", the exact words as Solon said to Kroisos, aka "don't assume someone is happy until you see his ending"
Words of wisdom that transcend any language and culture... love it and thanks for sharing! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
Wise words indeed!!
“dont count your chickens before they hatch” is a similar english idiom.
In france "rich like cresus" is very common. And apparently another expression "to get the pactole" comes from the pactole river which gave cresus his wealth
Both terms exist in Greek, too. On dit les memes phrases aussi en grec.
"rich like Crassus"? Possibly the richest man in the world around julius caesar's era
@@silvergalaxie Croesus is very different to Crassus.
@@andrewblake2254 comment didn't have Croesus, sir. Had Croesus(?)
in turkey too. we say "Karun kadar zengin" which means "as rich as Croesus
In Greek it is a very common word to say that someone is a Kroisos, i.e. filthy rich. It is usually used as a noun, but rarely also as an adjective (rich like Kroisos). By the way, in Greek, the name is written Kroisos and pronounced Krisos (the i as in Krisna). O and i combined are pronounced like i (again like the i in Krisna), at least in modern Greek and i do believe it was so in ancient Greek as well.
One of my favourite channels, very well researched and touches topics rarely touched by most... Keep up the great work!
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by, appreciate it and the info with regard to the language. Unfortunately, I only know these works in translation, but there's a course in ancient Greek on the Great Courses Plus that I'm going to start so that I can at least read the language properly. Haha let's see, maybe by April/May I'll be able to reply in the comments in a little Greek.
Thanks again for your comments and advice, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy Hey, thanks for replying, really the pleasure with your videos is all mine. Good luck with ancient Greek (if modern Greek is difficult, ancient Greek is a nightmare, I still have trauma from school, trying to pass end of the year exams... 😀). Modern Greek is actually a very simplified form of ancient Greek, mostly the Ionian, attic dialect. And i know a lot of English speaking people may find modern Greek a tad difficult... 😂 I know, I'm great at inspirational small talk! 🤣 Really though, it depends a lot on the writer, some are not that far from modern Greek, at least close enough to get the general gist of the text, if you speak modern Greek. Homer's texts though are not really in this category... If you need any help, don't hesitate to contact me, I will be happy!
@@markospoulios8128 Hey, thanks so much, really appreciate it! Yeah I'll see how the course goes. I don't expect to be fluent, but if I can read and understand many of the words in a sentence, then that's a start. I'm doing that with Russian actually. I learned the alphabet and now am using Duolingo and some other material I found online which is helping... I think now I'm at the level that I can read a children's book haha. Let's see but thanks for the offer, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021 and stay safe!
I doubt Kroisos would be pronounced "Krisos" in ancient greek. There's a reason "οι" is a diphthong
Probably would've been pronounced like Κρόισος or KRO-isos.
Man, Herodotus' story was great, and you told it excellently. If you had read it on the Agora back in the day, I would have definitely been in the audience going wild.
In Turkey we usually use “Karun kadar zengin” for filthy rich. Karun as in Kroesus
Haha nice, keeping the tradition alive! I visited Turkey about 11-12 years ago and have to say one of the best trips ever - not just historian/archaeologist's paradise but the people, food, scenery, all are so amazing. Was a short trip - Istanbul for 4 days and then Ephesus, Kayseri, and Cappadocia a day each. Wanted to go back this summer but the pandemic put a halt to that. Hopefully in 2021...
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@@HistorywithCy just holler when you decide to come over then. I’ll be honored to be your guide. 👍🏻
@@fahrettinaydn8384 Thanks my friend, I really appreciate it! All the best for 2021, stay safe kardeş!
Nope, the Karun (Qarun) we refer to is cousin of Moses, beni-israel individual. He is there in Qu'ran with name "Qarun", and in hebrew bible with name "Korah". He was a indeed a filthy rich, and later became great tyrant. Well, he was a great tyrant from the beginning, sky-rocketed wealth just revealed it and laid bare.
@@bekirselman5501 Actually not many people in Turkey know about Quran's(or mainly Tabari's) depiction of him. The idiom is just abot the Lydian king.
love the history and the parable of Solon and Croesus.
Yeah, it's my favorite story in Herodotus... don't think it actually happened, but a good lesson to be learned. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!
Lydia? Awesome. Just what I was hoping for.
My pleasure, glad there's still a demand for this sort of stuff. Thanks again for stopping by, have a great holiday and stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy there’ll always be a demand! I love this stuff. I’m glad I can check Lydia off my list!
@@connorgolden4 Nice! Hope you have a long list because a lot more is coming in 2021!
@@HistorywithCy I’ve got a few more on the list!
Lydia, oh! Lydia, say have you met Lydia
Oh! Lydia, the tattooed lady
She has eyes that folks adore so
And a torso even more so
Lydia, oh! Lydia, that "Encyclopedia"
Ah, my favorite new history channel! Can't wait to watch more.
Thanks my friend, glad you are enjoying these! Lots more coming your way in 2021, stay tuned and safe!
Yeah, it's pure gold.
Your channel has shown me some interesting facts. Ive been putting together a story of humankind. Research is endless. I enjoy to findout the truth on the megalithic stones
You're my favorite ancient history TH-camr please make more podcast content!
Thanks so much for the kind words, really appreciate them! No worries my friend, no plans of stopping... a lot more in 2021 coming up, stay tuned and safe!
I love Herodotus. Very interesting book and he tells all the time he heard things he's writing down and doesn't claim it all to be true. I don' t get why some people would expect from the first known western kinda historian to fact check like a modern historian and make archeological digs or whatever. Good thing his book survived in full. If you ever do a Herodotus reading with commentary i would surely watch it or listen, if you do it as a podcast.
Solon truly was the Stan Lee of his day
haha I can kind of see that. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!
I've just waken up! Great way to start the day!
Nice, I always love comments like... motivates me to put out more. Hope all is well on your end and stay safe!
Great Video man.the reply of Solon was to Kroisos was: "Midena pro tou telous makarize" which in free transate is: Dont jump to conclusions before the end.
Greetings from greece!
I believe when you say your podcasts are more informal than your normal videos, but they're far from being simple. Great job as always, hope you're well
Thanks my friend... yeah simple meaning no music and less visuals - just a few maps and a few relevant photos. Hope all is well with you... valeeeeeeeeeeeeu!
Oracle: If you go to war, a mighty kingdom will be destroyed
Croesus: >=D
Cyrus: call an ambulance... But not for me
Croesus: D=>
Hahaha yeah good, concise summary of events! It's funny I was debating how much of Herodotus to read because all of these passages are so long and wordy that this program could have easily been an hour had I included them. He's always a good read though...
As always, thanks so much for the support, really appreciate it! Merry Christmas and hope that that you're having a great holiday, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy Don't be afraid of making these longer videos, I really like them. Especially when the direct sources are read. For me, it is fascinating to hear how people recounted these events.
It is also important for me to understand on what people base themselves to declare "this is what happened". That way I can know how much certainty I can place on that.
Thank you again for making great content! I wish you a peaceful Zarathust No Diso and a happy new year =)
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Very well made production and informative. Love the background on Croesus
Thanks my friend, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
Thanks for your wonderful videos. I have traveled of these sites: Sardis, Xanthos and everywhere in between and beyond. It is nice to pick up a few more facts
Sweet! Somehow I missed this one over the holiday so it was a nice surprise!
No worries, glad you were able to stop by! Hope that your 2021 is off to a great start! Stay safe!
Amazing, I had reading about this kigdom for the whole day. I really love your channel!!
Thanks my friend, really appreciate the kind words and glad there are at least some people into Lydia... few know about it so kudos to you! More to come, stay safe!
thank you for your efforts. I appreciate your academic pursuits.
My pleasure, thank you for watching, really appreciate it...stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy ditto my brother from another mother!
Happy Yule everybody!
Great video as always!
Thank you, same to you! All the best for 2021, stay safe my friend!
This was wonderful, thank you so much.
Thank you, really appreciate it! More to come, hope that you're enjoying your holidays and stay safe!
What luck! Your video is uploaded the moment I opened this app. Another great episode, mate!
Thanks bud, really appreciate it! Hope all is well on your end and hope that you're enjoying your holidays! Let's do another collab first quarter of 2021...we can do something different and bit more creative, I have a few ideas I've been jotting down. Stay safe bro!
You are a blessing keep up the good work
Thanks my friend, bless you too! It's viewers like you that keep this channel going and I can't thank you enough! Be safe!
Very entertaining and informative, thanks
Thanks, glad you liked it... I agree, Herodotus is always entertaining! Stay safe my friend and all the best for 2021!
Upvote for the podcasts!
Hi, glad you like them! I do more of them from now on, thanks for the feedback. Hope all is well on your end...stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy All is well here in New Zealand my friend. I think that short format and long format videos work best in combination. Do a podcast whilst you create more in depth material and you have the best of both worlds.
@@aidansharples7751 Yeah, I think what I'll do is to create shorter videos - 8-15 minutes and then supplement them with podcasts. That was originally what I intended to do but they each ended up being standalone programs. So for example, after these recent videos on ancient Greek history, I'll do a podcast or two that's more in depth and informal, kind of like this one.
Thanks again for the suggestion, really appreciate it! Man, New Zealand must be nice this time year... summer time!
Stay safe man and all the best for 2021!
@@HistorywithCy I suppose what I was trying to say is dont undervalue your creative process itself as interesting content.
very interesting and epic
Absolutely love your videos!! I have a video suggestion: somethin with the history of rhodes? Idk if thats out of your usual timeline range of videos
Sure, I occasionally do histories of individual cities/city-states and Rhodes would be a good one! I have one on Athens, Sparta and possibly Thebes in the works, I'll add Rhodes to the list. Thanks for the suggestion, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy thank you soo much!! I had been doing some light amatuer research on it, and honestly i couldnt find much on any notable individuals besides memnon and a few admirals here and there (understandable, since they were a maritime power). I hope youre able to find more on it than i was!
Great video, thanks for sharing. Small nitpick for typos at 21:00, “ruims” instead of ruins and “Sadris” instead of Sardis! 😉
Probably safe to say the rains saving Croesus from the pyre is an apocryphal tale.
A great story. More of these would be welcome, especially with this tiny modification: (if it's not too much trouble) When you display a map of some area and mention a list of cities in it, it would be very helpful if you displayed the cities on the map, when their location is known. I for one have trouble understanding a story concerning places, if I cannot see them on a map.
Hey, thanks so much for stopping by and the feedback, always appreciate it. Yeah that's a good idea. I do it in the standard episodes and sometimes get lazy in the podcasts because they're designed mostly for listening (haha like I didn't have enough visuals for the whole story of Croesus and Solon) but yeah, maps would be an easy thing to do and I should add more cities / regions whenever possible. I'll do my best in the next one. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it...hope that you're enjoying your holidays and stay safe!
always great to listen to your amazing knowledge. All this time I thought "rich like croesus" was a reference to the roman croesus of the triumvirat who was also amazingly rich.
Hi my friend, thanks so much for stopping by, appreciate it! Ah, I think you mean Crassus - he was also one of the richest people at the time too (maybe even the richest, at least in the Roman Empire). I'll do something on him in the future when we get to Roman wars with the Parthians. Hope all is well with you and that you are enjoying your holidays and that you had a great Hanukkah. Stay safe my friend!
@@HistorywithCy thank you buddy!
that's crassus not cresus/croesos
Rich content. Thanks ♥️✌️
Thanks man, really appreciate it... hope all is well and all the best for 2021! Stay safe!
The term 'as rich as Croesus' is something I've heard many times in English over the years. It is not something that gets said at the pub on a friday night - but it is not rare, either.
man I love your vid's
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Good job
Thanks again
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Wonderful
Thank you!
Great story
Thanks, it's one of my favorites from ancient literature. More to come, stay safe!
nicely done.......
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I hope Cy does a video about every musical scale. Dorian Ionian Phrygian Locrian… myxalodian ehh…. Please.
Grazie che si e' fatto vedere, dovrebbe iniziare sempre le Sue lezioni con la propria apparizione.
Molto interessante cone sempre. Adoro le Sue lwzioni.
Tanti auguri di Buon Natale, Buon Anno e Felice Anno Nuovo!!!
Grazie! Sto imparando a usare la mia fotocamera. In futuro ne userò di più. Buon Natale e Felice Anno Nuovo a te e alla tua famiglia! Stay safe!
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Bravo, continua cosi! E' sempre anche bell9 vedere il pr9fessore come nelle scuole
Buon San Stefano! Tanti saluti,
Thank you!💫💫💫
My pleasure, glad you liked this! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
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“Lydias early history, is a bit of a mystery” nice song
I can hear Groucho Marx now singing about this--"Lydia, oh, Lydia, oh have you met Lydia/Lydia the Tattooed Empire."
Great episode.
Speaking as just one viewer/listener I prefer your podcast style of speaking actually. I think your more informal style of speaking like in this episode is preferrable to the sometimes too formal style of your regular videos.
I like a more casual, natural way of speaking in general, since it helps me better retain information and it holds my attention better. I can't speak for others on that front of course.
Regardless I much enjoy your content, keep it up!
Hi, thanks so much for the constructive feedback, I really appreciate it! I really happy to read your comments because I actually shied away from podcasts because they're generally longer and I thought that most might find them to be a bit boring, especially since I generally don't put in music or as many visuals as a typical episode. I also like doing podcasts more for the reasons you just stated, so I think I'll do more of them. Thanks again, really appreciate the feedback... stay safe!
I jumped jumped so hard when I saw this!
Haha hope it was a soft landing... thanks for stopping (er, jumping) by, appreciate it...stay safe!
never been this early before, no lie
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Why do you feel the need to keep caveating Herodotus? He's one of the greatest historians ever. In fact he's the Father of History. I have read him time and time again and he actually goes out of his way to say what seems unlikely or farfetched to him, but he nonetheless conveys what he has heard. I find that modern historians like to question him because he relays things that they find unpalatable, rather than untrue.
Awsome episode cy!
I could be wrong but I think the Lydians where the ones who invented coins?
Yup, correct. Some say it was Croesus, but archaeologists believe that it may have been during his father's Alyattes reign. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate and hope that you're enjoying the holidays! Stay safe!
MC, Cy! 🎄
haha thanks! Merry Christmas to you too, stay safe! 🎄
"Rich as Croesus" is a saying still commonly being used in Anatolia "Karun kadar zengin".
Nice one. Fun fact, Croesus’ sister was Cyrus’ grandmother on his mother side
No proof of that, usually new rulers try to associate themselves with previous royalty to legitimise their rule
@@pinkyfinger9851 As is the case with most everything in ancient history.
Hi, thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! That is possible though Herodotus or any other source never actually mentions who Mandane's mother was, so technically we can't confirm it (Mandane was Cyrus' mom). Astyages may have had another, Median wife before his political marriage to Aryenis. Who knows...
Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it. More to come, stay safe!
Do you use illustrator to color in your maps?
And are you Persian?
Hi! I use photoshop for the maps...haha haven't used illustrator but if I had more artistic talent I would. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!
Rich as a Lannister.
Is Cy short for Cyrus?
Yup, that's correct! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it... stay safe!
Maybe we should refer to Herodotus as the stepfather of history or maybe the great uncle of history.
Yeah, the great drunk uncle of history.
Haha all three of these work. At the end of the day I'm sure he knew that he had to make it entertaining for his audience. It's like the bioepics or movies based on historical events that we see today... got to make it interesting and over the top to sell to you consumer, else it'll flop. I think of Herodotus as both the writer and producer of what would be our equivalent of a feature film. If it's just filled with facts, it becomes boring... if you want your audience to love, better to sensationalize it. Haha just my thoughts going off on a tangent...
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To his credit Herodotus occasionally places a disclaimer on the local stories told to him while he was traveling. Such as, "I'm only telling you what the locals told me and can't vouch for how much is true", type of disclaimer. I'd think of his Histories as more like youtube videos of 'Top 10 Most Mysterious Places". Digging up stories that may have some tidbits of truth, but a healthy dose of superstitious mythology and wives' tales added.
@@NefariousKoel yeah that's a good way of looking at him. However any of us think of him, I do really enjoy reading him...his, let's call them embellishments, add a lot of life to what otherwise may be a pretty boring series of events... he at least keeps me captivated! Thanks for stopping, appreciate it...stay safe!
I was just wondering about the region of lydia
To be honest I knew Terry Pratchett's "Rich as Creosote" first, I'm proper edumacated me!
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"Way into the future" you could have corrected your typos. Btw, in Germany the phrase about Croesus is also quite common
When Herodotus say's things that seem unbelievable, he usually prefaces it with "This is what they say" or "I'll leave it for the reader to decide". Rarely does he write things as total fact unless they are. Yes there are some things he embellishes.
I remember two of the stories myself:
Possibly the mentioned Telos, the guy who died in battle for the Athenians as a hero, has tried to hold one of the enemies´ ships (lying on the shore) back while fighting, as they were trying to flee the battlefield. One of the enemies on the ship cut off the arm, with which he was trying to hold the ship back. Telos let his sword fall, and pulling the ship with his now free sword-arm. This was then also cut off, and he fell dead in the water. But it was too late, his athenian fellows have already caught up with him, and were storming the ship, killing all the enemies. Of course his fellow-Athenians were deeply impressed by his bravery and sacrifice, and the fact that he died at the peak of his glory would make his name ring in the centuries. As Greeks were pretty logical, and didn´t really believe in afterlife, such deeds were the only way to reach immortality, so, he was considered a happy person by Solon.
In another case, in Thebes, an old, mobility-handicapped woman, who was the high-priestess in the local Artemis-temple used to use a carriage with two oxen, to drive everyday to the temple. As the two oxen suddently died, her two yound adult sons agreed, that the only way was to pull the carriage to the temple themselves, cause anything less would be insulting fot their mother and high-priestess, and that their mother was nothing less worth. So, with great effort, they accomplished what normally two oxen would be needed to get the job done, drove to the temple with her, and back. Everybody has seen them driving throught the city, and were envious that this mother had such children. The mother was happy herself, and in the night, she prayed wholeheartedly to Artemis, that her sons should get tha greatest gift imaginable, for what they did. Artemis fullfilled her wish, and the next morning the two sons didn´t wake up. They were dead, died while the whole city was in awe of them. No chance to commit fallacies that would make their glory fade with time. Nothing was standing now between them and immortality.
So, to be immortalized, have a good death, was also a bit of a matter of timing: Fullfill greatest deeds and die unwillingly by the hand of a third person/entity (not suicide, of course!). Achilles´ death was always a good example from the mythology , too.
Solon has made laws that forbid bound-slavery of debitors, so freeing the existing bound-slaves, and gave amnesty to all that were soon to become slaves cause of their debts, while additionally erasing such debts. His political opponents critisized that he came up with this idea, cause friends of him were oweing big sums of money, and were endangered to become slaves. He could easily prove, that he lost a much bigger sum of money himself, by the laws he himself created. He has inherited a war-shield-manufacture from his father, and was very wealthy.
His encounter with Kroesus reminds me of the end of the battle of Plataies, the last on greek soil against the Persians, with the biggest contibution by the Spartans. Darius has left Greece, and has gifted his empirial tent and all the riches within to his general. The Greeks finished the battle and conquered also the camp and the generals visited the tent, in awe of the riches of the Persian empire. Then, a Spartan said: "Now I understand why the Persians, althought seemingly possesing everything man can imagine, wanted so desperately to conquer us. It was so that they can rob us of the only thing they apparently don´t possess: Our poverty"
Nice, I also remember the basics of them but not in as much detail as your wrote. Yeah Plataea doesn't get as much coverage as Marathon or Salamis, but I think it's an important battle. I'm planning on doing a video on it eventually. Thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it... more to come, stay safe!
Lydia or Albanian Geg dialect Lij Dia means where knowledge is born or Source of the knowledge.
Ephesus and Halicarnassus is linked to the Kingdom of Lydia of which there were Shem decendants (Shem a defendant of Noah) who were also located in Asia and Ham also a decendant of Noah with decendants in Africa.
Bible is a nonsence
Croesus had a lot better fate than most defeated ancient rulers. In some sense he probably had an easier life after the Persian conquest than he did as King. A lot less responsibility for sure. The Assyrians certainly would have never given him an estate.
Haha yes, very true! I think that's why, even over 2500 years later, Cyrus is still remembered as a just king vs. the plethora of others who had come before him. It's also a very practical policy... if you can offer your formal enemy some tangible benefits and guarantee their safety, they or their supporters are less likely to cause trouble for you down the road. Anyway, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
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mm I like my words with pepper
My ancestors be crazy
I thought he was sitting on a pile of wood for a fire...
Yeah, it was wooden pyre he was to be burned upon, like the one depicted on the vase on the cover thumbnail. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it... stay safe!
"12 Pease, Ciceronis De Natura Deorum II 1053, collects Greek and Latin references to the Egyptian Herakles. In Hdt. 2.42-43, Herakles is almost certainly Chonsu, the son of Amon-Re and Mut at Thebes, and possibly also the sky god Shu: A. B. Lloyd, Herodotus Book II: Commentary 1-98 (Leiden 1976) 194-195 and 201-202, who points out that the two were often conflated. In Plut. De Is. et Os. 41, 367D, in contrast, he seems to be a sun god: Gwyn Griffiths, De Iside 457-458."
[Phrygian Tales, J. B. Rives]
Wasn't his name pronounced Creesus, not Cro ee sus?
Hi, thanks for stopping by, appreciate it! I've heard both, though Cro ee sus more often. Creesus though I think is closer to the original Greek version of the name. Thanks again, hope all is well on your end and stay safe!
κροεσος, is that how you spell it?
Κροῖσος - but I know that because I found it online haha. There's a course on learning Ancient Greek on the Great Courses Plus that I'm going to try out so that I can hopefully start at least reading some of these classical texts.
Hope all is well on your end, thanks for stopping by and stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy I can already read greek but I don't know all the spelling rules nor do I know a lot of vocab barley 5%
@@hashimbokhamseen7877 Haha nice...you're ahead of me on that one. One of my New Year's resolutions is to properly learn some basic Greek. Hmmm, let's see, maybe by April I start replying in it here in the comments section haha. Anyway enjoy the weekend, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy you to man, good luck on your endeavor
Cy. one tip for you, mate: we always pronounce his name as 'Creesus' (even though in Ionic as well as Doric and Aeolic it is written and pronounced KROISOS.) Greek OI was always adapted by the Romans to OE and that's how it comes down to us- everything through a Latin filter, sadly! In England we still say "he's as rich as Croesus" but it is dying out. Our education system is now a TOILET. I have a feeling you are largely self-taught in Anc, Hist. so RESPECT. (Or, as we say, GOOD ON YER!) Did you know that HAI HISTORIAI- The Histories- literally means ENQUIRIES... from the verb historein, to research or enquire.
👍👍👍 I forgive Herodotus for his, little, mistakes!! He wasn't subscribed to the "History with Cy" channel🤣 Thank's again Cy for all your Great content!!
Hahaha thanks! Yeah, I'll cut him some slack... I mean, Herodotus wrote all that by hand and probably mostly from memory, which is quite an achievement. Hope all is well on your end and all the best for 2021! Stay safe man!
Epic face reveal
Yeah I've done it here and there in a few other videos, but now that I have a decent camera, I'll probably be on camera more. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! Hope that you're enjoying your holidays and stay safe!
When pronouncing Latin words that contain a vowel paired with an e, that vowel is silent and the e is long. An exception is EU, which is pronounced like you
You made a video about the Lydian and you just mentioned once that the Lydians are dependence from the Anatolian Indo-Europeans like Luwians. They had two writing systems and were literate before the Greeks. Lydians are basically a neo-hittite kingdom and during the time of Croesus they already had centuries of great history.
Hi, thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! Yes, the land that Lydia once occupied has a very long history, but this particular program deals primarily with only one king, Croesus of the Mermnad dynasty. The other parts of Lydia's history are really beyond the scope of this video. Thanks again for the comment, really appreciate it. More to come, stay safe!
I dispute your school of thought that Lydians are neo-Hittites.
The Luwians, probably yes. The Lydians were not literate before the Greeks. You forget Linear B and the fact that the Greek alphabet was adopted about a hundred years before the Lydians adopted their own version. Also, Lydians may be descendants of Luwians, but not Hittites.
Got to be dead to be happy
- Solon probably
Lydia=Lidya is my name 😍😁😉
Rich Krösus is still idiomatic in german, too.
Yeah, interesting another viewer made the same comment... he said the phrase is "reich wie Krösus." Cool stuff, thanks for sharing! Hope that your 2021 has started off well... all the best and stay safe!
Pronunciation of These names is typically SO-LON and CREE-SIS
thanks. I think it is pronounced King KREESUS, not cro-ee-sus
Yup, that is the correct Greek pronunciation of his name. I supposed I'm using the more Anglicized pronunciation of it. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!
Αρε are u Persian?
I think you got it wrong at the end. The Seljuk Turks invaded the Roman Empire. That’s why emperor Alexius asked the pope Urban for help and what ignited the crusades.. Not crusaders first invading Anatolia.Ottomans Turks later
Hi, thanks for stopping by. I think I see where the confusion is. Yes, that is correct for the Anatolia as a whole and the Seljuks coming from the east, but here I'm specifically talking about Lydia, along the western Aegean. That area was still under Byzantine rule until around 1204 when the Crusaders sacked Constantinople and the government ran into exile and formed the Empire of Nicea, which was in the non-Venetian controlled part of Lydia. At the time, the Turks hadn't made it that far. I should have made this more clear, thanks for bringing this up! More on the way, stay tuned and safe!
@@HistorywithCy yes you are right and sorry for this comment . Definitely you know better. I am just learning and forgot about the Normans future crusaders invading Balkans first.
I always thought croesus and Midas "lived" in the mycenean age, just like heracles, jason and the argonauts, achilles...because he is mythical and stuff
I mean king midas was actually mentioned in a assyrian text around 700 bce so
@@skkhammuansangngaihte4989 I didn't know that before I watched the video.
Man, how much is that amphora worth, cool...
Out of curiosity how do you know that Herodotus did not fact check his sources?? Legit question
Hi, thanks for stopping by, appreciate it! Yes, that is a legit questions. Technically we can't prove it, but it's pretty much agreed upon (Herodotus even admits it) that a lot of his information was hearsay and in many cases, what he's written has been more or less proven to have been, if not fabrication, at least gross exaggeration. Many o the places featured are those that he himself did not visit, and he's not known to have examined various archives in the cities he visited. That being said, Herodotus is still a great source and personally, I love reading Histories...it's one of my favorite books. I'm just cautious to not take everything at face value...just my opinion. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!
How could Croesus or his father be the first to create coins, when in the video you made about the Sumerians, you quote from writings that mention shekels as payment for fines, at least 1500 years before Croesus?
Great question. A word shekel actually denoted a certain weight, about 10-11 grams and usually in silver. When silver many centuries later was minted into what we identify as coins, the name stuck in some areas so that you could have "shekels of Caesar" or really any other person or state. That's where the term comes from. Thanks for watching!
@@HistorywithCy Thanks for replying to my comment! I felt sure it was too late to be noticed. I'm reading an interesting book from 1895 by Alexander Del Mar, who was a director in the U.S. Treasury Department in the 1860s. He claims in his book "History of Monetary Systems" that the Rig Veda (currently dated by some as old as 6,000 B.C.E.) mentions the coins dinara and niska, among others. He claims also that the earliest extant coins are from India and also made from electrum. There are many more interesting claims made in his books, based on visits to museums to view the coins and weigh them and view original documents. His books are all out of print, but scanned reprints are easy to get.
@@simonestreeter1518 interesting, I'd never heard of that, although as his book was written over 120 years ago, I'd be cautious about whether that still holds due to more recent findings and archaeological analysis. Thanks for sharing, appreciate it!
@@HistorywithCy You bet, I've wondered the same, but of course you can't really 'un-find' something already noted. Well, haha maybe it's possible.
Lydia? She is carrying my burdens right now.
Ok sorry for the bad skyrim joke but someone had to do it
Though they were not christians ; beautiful story comparable to those of the Bible.
My name is lydia
I believe Croesus and Cyrus are the same person with different acronyms, who ruled over Lydia, Mesopotamia, Persia, Indus Valley and some parts of North (Scythian Territories) who is Better known as Kurush / کوروش in Sumerian and old Persian, Pen named in the Bible as Baal Qarnayim / בעל קרנים in Hebrew and in the Qur’an as ذو القرنين in Arabic. He is also known as King of the World or King of kings (due to his rule over all four corners of the earth). Thence, after His demise king Darius took over the kingdom and established First Achaemenid Empire and popularize Zoroastrian religion. lastly, There are no accounts related to what were the personal beliefs of Cyrus the Great, But if we were to take Biblical and Qur’anic accounts than He is clearly identified as A Monotheist (Believer in One God).
Karun kadar zengin (Rich as the Kroisos)
Pls i like to study
Lydians are Turks now❤❤
why are our ancestors crazy?!?
Rich as Creosote on the Discworld
Thanks for the stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!