The Peloponnesian War - PART III: Mytilenean revolt, Fate of Plataea, Civil War in Corcyra and more!
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- In this third installment of the Peloponnesian War podcast, we take a look at life after Pericles and the years 428 and 427 BC. Leaders of Mytilene's oligarchy have decided that now is the time to leave the Athenian-led alliance. The conflict in Plataea also finally comes to an end while another bloody civil conflict between factions in Corcyra gets out of hand and shocks the Greek world. At the end of it, the Athenians head west to see if they can exert their influence in southern Italy and Sicily. The war is really heading up and who knows where the fires will spread to next!
Contents:
00:00 Introduction
01:10 Revolt of Mytilene
06:25 Judgement of Mytilene: Cleon vs. Diodotus
13:41 The Fate of Plataea
16:07 Civil War in Corcyra
22:05 Sicily and Syracuse
25:43 Thank You and Patrons
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Cy, don't feel pressured to deliver quantity over quality! We watch your channel because they are well made and informative.
Thanks! No worries, I love putting these out for y'all whenever I can, so it's no hardship on my part. Enjoy and thanks for watching/listening!
Yes. Quality over quantity. Thanks for all the hard work you put into the videos.
I agree with this: I'd be good with you uploading 6 times a year if needed; as long as we get stellar content, I'm cool.
agreed
So totally agree
The bust of Pericles at the beginning always makes me wonder just how little we'd know of the classical Greek art if it wasn't for the Romans making copies of just about everything...
I think it was the Roman who encouraged 'right wing war mongers' against Athenians.
Always hate the waits, but your episodes never disappoint. Please keep up the great work!
Thanks! Working to get these out faster, thanks for your patience and for watching!
Really loving these for Greek History study!
Take your time Cy, I always love your video's, and the effort and work you put into them must definitely take some time. I will always be a fan of this channel no matter when videos come out.
I’ve watched a lot of your videos and what I see few commenters praising you for is your speaking voice. There’s a trend toward fast and loud speaking on the internet in general and TH-cam especially, and it’s refreshing to hear someone who puts thought and purpose into their words
Thucydides’ speech that he has the Plataeans say always makes me sad.
“Will it not be deemed a monstrous thing that the Lacedaemonians should desolate Plataea; that they, whose fathers inscribed the name of the city on the tripod at Delphi in token of her valor, should for the sake of the Thebans blot out the whole people from the Hellenic world?”
That line always hits me. There were a lot of plataeans that had fled before then of course, but this passage for me reminds you that the Persian wars were not not so far off for these people and remembered with pride especially in sites like plataea where the famous battle took place. And “they whose fathers” fought with and led the Hellenes to victory should now be destroying them? That is what Thucydides feels is monstrous. And the older men whose polies took part in the wars (especially plataea as Herodotus mentions them being at Marathon as well) would likely have seen it that way too. Those who remembered a different Sparta, and a different Greek world entirely almost. And after Corcyra, things would only get worse.
What a great series! Thank you for producing this masterwork! Keep up the great work - you're making some great videos!
Perfectly timed, as I've been in the mood for Greek history lately.
Awesome! More Greek history on the way, stay tuned and thanks for watching!
You should Definitely continue these series. Magnificent work ❤️
Another banger, Cy! Thank you for all of your hard work and don't ever feel compelled to pump out videos on an arbitrary schedule.
Thanks my friend, I love putting these out for y'all, just sometimes don't have the time to finish and post as often as I'd like...I'm trying to finish this series within the next year!
Thanks for watching and your support, really appreciate it!
Thank you for the new content Cy! Always love me some new content.
My pleasure, enjoy!
Glad I found your channel, you're among the top of the quality channels on history in my opinion.
Thanks, really appreciate the kind words... more on the way, stay tuned and thanks for watching!
This channel is amazing. Excited to watch this!
Thanks, hope you enjoy it!
@@HistorywithCy hey Cy, no rush but I am wondering is there any plan to continue this series?
As always, good stuff! You should always release content when it's ready not before. We'll wait!👍
I am a visual learner and the map graphics really help get what is going on. Thanks for that and the equally interesting excerpts from the peoples of this time.
Part III, phenomenal! Thanks! Love this series.
Thank you! I just wish I could put out more chapters sooner! Lots more on the way, stay tuned and thanks for watching!
Thankyou so much for this! I’m studying. For a history test, and your videos are always the best way to get into the mood :)
Yeah!!! Thanks for posting part III
Thank you for watching!
Very cool, thanks a bunch for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the great video.
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
Awesome, Cy. Love your work!
Thanks so much!
Awesome video. Thank you!
Thanks for watching...the rest is on the way!
Cheers Cy! Life gets in the way sometimes
Thanks my friend...will keep them coming! Stay tuned and thanks for watching!
I am not the type of person to make demands but if i were i would demand part 4 asap ;-) Love you content Cy
Bro when are you going to make the part 4?
I started listening to "Thucydides - History of the Peloponnesian War" audio book.
But still would love to see your visuals of the maps and battles.
Hi! Later this year...I'm in the process of finishing up the script for the entire conflict and will be shooting some b-roll for it. Trust me, I haven't forgotten and am really excited to release the full story to you all as soon as possible. Thanks for your patience!
Any update? Is history with cy gonna give us a Christmas present, I have to say as an ancient history student these videos are great
I have A level ancient history mock exams soon and these videos have been really helpful, thank you so much for your hard work!😀
That's great hear, glad to help and all the best on your exams! Thanks for watching!
Awesome again!
Thank you!
Quality stuff.
Hey Cy, just a quick question here : how many episodes do you plan to do about the Peloponnesian War? It's just I'd rather watch them all at once than wait between episodes. Thanks for the great work, mate, and may this channel live forever!
I think that there will be about 8-10... the breakup hasn't been finalized yet. At the end I will put out one long video (as long as it doesn't crash my computer haha) so that you can watch/listen to them all in one sitting. Thanks for supporting the channel and hopefully the I'll be able to put these out on a more regular basis.
Great content thank you. Will you also cover the role of Alciviades in the Sicilian campaign?
Thanks and absolutely! Plan to cover all the highlights in every year if possible. Thanks so much for watching, really appreciate it!
thanks Cy
About the picture around 19:21 ("Cocyra"), the shield and a banner in a background have the Lambda upside down?
Yeah that's interesting...I didn't even notice that. As for the shield in the foreground, I just assumed he had twisted/turned it with his arm. Great observation and thanks for watching!
Am I missing something? Is there any follow-up to part 3 of the history of the Peloponnesian war?
I so need the rest
Was a long wait.
Yes it was and I hope to get these out to you much sooner. Thanks for watching!
The civil war in Corcyra was in the material for our first term Ancient Greek exam here in Greece and we were all very shocked with how it all went down. Later in the year we had to translate the part about the peace delegations under Theramenes and how the Thirty were ousted. I'm the only one that still remembers everything cause I'm a history buff lol.
Nice! I wish I could take such classes on ancient Greek history! Everything I have learned is from translations... how I dream to read ancient Greek! Thanks for watching, the other parts are on the way!
@@HistorywithCy The subject is Ancient Greek but we learn the history alonng the way. It is mandatory for 5 years and we have to learn translations by heart. Can you choose what classes you take in America?
@@mk9650 yes to an extent at the university level, but I don't know of any classes like what you just described unless you are specifically studying Classics, archaeology, classical linguistics or something like that. Would be amazing if they did!
@@HistorywithCy I'm talking about high school lol
@@mk9650 i Also study ancient greek at High school (with latin). Really a wonderful language
My wife is hyped for some television show on a streaming service - I'm hyped for stuff like this.
Haha yeah the only streaming I've seen recently besides Star Wars are historical series like Last Kingdom or Barbarians. Great shows, both on Netflix. I am looking forward to the GoT House of the Dragon spinoff, hope they don't rush it like season 8!
Finally, a new video... ✅✅✅✅✅
Enjoy!
@@HistorywithCy
yes!
Is there part 4?
Bro, when is the next one coming?
Good Stuff my dude.. new sub.
Thanks and welcome! Lots more on the way, stay tuned and thanks for watching!
No prob, if you get a chance checknout my channel and toss me a sub
Nice new video.
Thanks, enjoy!
Neat!
Thanks!
Cant find part 4 of this series?
Coming later on this year...
I'm curious why you didn't use A War Like No Other by Victor Davis Hanson as a source Cy? Im no expert, but I thought it was really interesting and filled with great info
Yes, you're correct, it's a great book that I have and had read a couple of years back. I suppose that along with Thucydides (Landmark Thucydides to be specific) I'm using Kaplan's work because I feel it's more in chronological order than Hanson's. I think Hanson does a great job of drawing out more obscure details and other things I wouldn't have thought of, and perhaps I should read him again as I got through future chapters. Thanks for the suggestion and also for watching!
@@HistorywithCy Cheers for the reply Cy, love your videos. Was just curious cause I was familiar with Hanson and enjoyed the book. Keep up the great work, you're killing it!
Awsome
Thanks!
Part IV?
Hellenic policy was desastrous... However thanks to intelectual wise men the legacy of ancient Greece is still lasting to these days...
Ευχαριστώ πολύ! Η γιαγιά μου είναι από το Πελοπόννησο.
Παρακαλώ!
Can't wait for this series to be continued !!!!
It's in the works...thanks for watching!
PART 4?????
Let’s goooo!!
Onward my friend...enjoy!
Can you do a concise history of Babylonia ? Like with Sumer and Assyria.
Absolutely! It's coming hope hopefully next month...it'll be long, perhaps over 2 hours long. Stay tuned and thanks for watching!
@@HistorywithCy can't wait, thank you
@@discip5107 he did a video about Babylon
@@filippo2806 I know, I seen was very good
The Sicily affair is very interesting
Most definitely... and we'll visit Sicily again later on for some of the most critical events of the war, stay tuned! Thanks for watching!
Eeey it's ya boi, Cy- it's Morbin' time!
Enjoy my friend!
Wtf? Wheres number 4???
part 4?
Coming later this year... thanks for your patience!
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Thanks!
‘Those who have power do what they will.
Those without do as they must’
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Thanks!
Hi,man. I hope you are fine ,CY, do not feel pressured to make more or longer videos, it is fine as itis. This one was very nice, I saw it several days ago, but right now is the time to comment, as Im free from other tasks. Yeah, it seems that geopolitical strife is nothing new and playing dirty is not new as well. It is so interesting that powerful political alliances could be created at such a stage of human history. I myself am a fan of Sparta but if I were a small king of a small city I would join Athens. They seem more reasonable, or more democratic, on the surface at least. Surely, Athenian politicians also "enjoyed" back-stabbing, stealing and intrigues as much as any other ones at the time
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He looks like an Indian 7:55
"How could she slap! Duuuunt"
No, it's Greek man from Athens believed to have been an actor.
@@HistorywithCy Yo but doesn't he look Indian "dooouunt".
cringe to claim Cleon was "right wing" because he was belligerent
Referring to Cleon, a Greek in 5th century BCE, as a 'right wing extremist' is beyond silly.
This video was too long. Halfway through it, I got hungry so I left it playing and went to the kitchen to fix myself a sandwich. But then I found out that I'm out of mayonnaise so I went to a store. There, I saw the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my whole life. But I'm a really shy person so I took up a three-year personality development course so I could introduce myself. She was very friendly and all, but unfortunately, she had a boyfriend. So I said, all good, I'm a mature person. I wanted the best for her and I harbored no illusion that I am the best person for her and she seemed happy with her boyfriend, so I didn't bother her anymore. But we kept in touch and we became friends and I got over my crush on her. Then she broke up with her boyfriend, we drank some alcohol because of it. I told her she'll be fine and I wished her well. I still think she's the most beautiful woman in the world, but like I said, I am over my crush on her. It was like five years already since I first saw her. Besides, I am quite happy with the friendship I developed with her. It was more important than a crush. So we kept hanging out, drinking, having coffee, and all. I had a girlfriend, she started dating other guys. My girlfriend wanted to live some other life without me in it, so I said, "Okay, I want the best for you and I want you to pursue your happiness." My lady friend and I drank alcohol about it, and she gave me the same advice I gave her when she was in that position and I became okay with the breakup immediately. But we were really drunk, so she spent the night in my apartment. I only have one bed, so you know what that means: She took the bed and I slept on the couch. But on the couch, I really can't sleep. Something was bothering me. So I tossed and turned for about three hours, then I finally couldn''t take it anymore, I stood up and went straight to my room where she's sleeping. I approached the bed, gently sat on it and I reached for her shoulder to pull her closer to me. She stirred and woke up. She asked what's up. I told her, "you know, the first time I saw you, I was watching a video and left it playing to get myself a sandwich then went to the store to get some mayo then I got so distracted by life that I forgot to finish the video." She said, "You know what, I've been wondering about a weird noise in your night drawer." So we opened that drawer, and lo and behold, there's my phone and this video still has two minutes of play time on it.
Funny how your comment Is longer than the video you are complaining the lenght of.
I think that when the war became a political one, Greece began to be a true nation. Not anymore city vs city but finally democrats vs fascists, that's a truly worthy war!
First of what you´d understand as a 21th century man as being´democracy´ would be totally alien to any democrat during thinq time period. Secondly what even is the reasoning to call the peloponnesians ´fascist´? Fascism is an enlightenment ideology just like the democracy you'd think of. Can you only look at historical events via a twisted modern day lens of good vs evil that even a child would find crude? Also the idea of a greek nation also did only come about after the enlightenment and it´s child called nationalism reared it´s head in Europe.
@@roan2288 - That's a patronizing statement, more so when I'm a 20th century man: I was already in my 30s when the year 2K came.
Athenian democracy was much more democratic than our modern so-called "democracies", where popular assemblies and direct citizen participation are non-existent (and thus I don't call them democracies, but plebisicitarian dictatorships, Switzerland and Rojava are about the only ones which are democratic, more or less, all the rest are police regimes with a mediocre electoral pretext).
I can accept your complain about "fascism", when after all the first widespread fascism, namely Christianity, would not be adopted in many centuries. However they were all in the Platonist-Socratic extremist anti-democracy fold, the exact same ideology that all fascists and reactionaries through history used to defend their plutocratic privileges, so well: it's only so much of a simplification or modernization of speech.
I do not accept AT ALL your patronizing denial of ethnic nations in terms historical. One thing is "nation state" (i.e. state with a nationalist ideology) and another thing nation or people-nation, ethnos in Greek, which is very clearly not just objectively existent in antiquity (not just the Greeks, the Etruscans, the Aquitani, etc. all were very much aware of their ethnicity and were organized politically to some extent or another within such ethno-national parameters) but often were key political actors as such nations, even if fragmente in smaller city-states. The Greeks for example fought the Persians as such nation, the Aquitani were clearly confederated and fought as one nation, the Dacians did the same and of course the Latins also did the same most of the time. The Carthaginian empire similarly was founded on absorbing other ethnically similar (phoenician or canaanite) cities, Egypt was of course ethnically homogeneous (and the rare exceptional instances who were out of the ethnic norm, were encouraged to become Egyptian or suffer the consequences), we see that even in China and we even see ethnicities (nations) emerging from the homogenizing power of states, not just in modern France but in ancient Mali as well (nations like the Mandinka or the Bakongo still exist to this very day even if the polities that formed then have long ago vanished).
Things do change but not as much as your patronizing modernist arrogance imagines.