Hands on with the new BLACKMAGIC CINEMA CAMERA 6K FULL FRAME (BMCC6K) | Footage and impressions
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Which LUT did you use to grade this footage?
I have to say, since I prefer the crop sensor of my bmpcc6k to the image coming out of my full-frame A74 in terms of highlight roll off and dynamic range, I'm really excited to see what this camera with the full-frame sensor can do with the Blackmagic image processing pipeline... I don't know what it is, though, there's something about Braw that even through TH-cam compression just looks better no matter the grade, can't quite pinpoint the science behind it lol
Matteo I appreciate you staying true to yourself because honestly people don’t understand Blackmagic goals or ethics when creating cameras. They will easily stretch this body type for at least 1 more iteration before doing a redesign. That’s the only way they keep giving us amazing cameras without hiking the price up.
Thanks man, really appreciate this comment in this complete madness and hate! Cheers!
What's the price of the cam ?
@@fellawhofilms7760$2600 I Believe
Hi Matteo, I love your videos!
how much is the crop factor when shooting in 4K?
Not sure, probably around 1.4
Dynamic Range on this is insane! 🤯
@@relaxwithme3266 Yeah that’s what they advertise it as. I’m not super sure how a bigger sensor effects dynamic range if at all, but the way he’s shooting into the sun and retaining so much thickness to the image and shadows looks amazingly good to me.
I bet we see this sensor in a ursa body with built in ND
Images look great but after owning two Pocket Cameras, the P4K and the P6K Pro, i was hoping for a body redesign.
The open gate modes are great , and the APSC crop useful but it’s a shame that the camera still only records 2 channels of audio. After switching to Sony I’m using more than two channels of audio often.
While Sony Menus still don’t come close to the fantastic OS that BMD does, I’m getting use to Sonys menus but after 4 years, never got use to the Pocket form factor. BMD need to put this sensor and mount into a body more in line with something like an FX6. Due to the poor run times of the internal battery, I always rigged my cameras with a Vlock battery which meant adding an external monitor anyway so having a 5” monitor is great for someone who just wants to hold the camera in the hand like you are for travel style films, I’ve never seen ANYONE else shoot like this with these cameras and the current form factor really is a huge compromise in many ways. Something in size between the Packet and URSA Mini would be great and until BMD releases something like this, I can’t see myself switching back unfortunately. Have always love BMD cameras but I’m over the compromises. Shame
Stick to Sony ;)
100% AGREE. I have the 6K Pro and the form factor is crap and inhibits usability. It's like a grown up version of a Fisher Price camera. No ND's on this model is regarded. Battery is aweful and having to focus manually all the time is a chore. I'm thinking of going back to Canon and buying a C70 For commercial use it's far more practical.
@@matteobertoli yeah, I probably will although hopefully BMD doesn’t think like you because it will be hurting their business big time and would take a small redesign to rectify. 🤷♀️
Also, BMD were trying to cater to DSLR/Hybrid shooters when this form factor was released. Back then, it kinda made sense but now, many of those shooters demand IBIS and AF (rightly or wrongly! 😉)
Now, the market for people who don’t feel they need AF and IBIS is people like film makers (not TH-cam ones) who are happy to shoot RED such as Komodo and Up or even Arri with manual lenses but those users don’t want a DSLR form factor, they want something a little more modular. BMD really is missing a trick by not addressing this market considering the sensor they have in this camera. I’ve used my 6K Pro as a B Camera to Alexa on many shoots and it’s worked well. With the new sensor and in camera BRAW BMD could rival many much more high end Full Frame cameras but those users are crying out for a redesigned body.
Over an hour with the NPF battery is very impressive. I recommend the Sabrent CFExpress card. I got the 512 GB last year for my X-H2s for $199 works like a charm.
Awesome footage man.
Beautiful colors.
Single card slot is crazy in 2023 though.
In your next video can you cover rolling shutter? Sensor readout is honestly one of the most important factors in cinematography and is often overlooked in reviews.
my BMPCC6k pro has horrible rolling shutter. used the "gyro stabilization" and it cleared it up. no more rolling shutter. still floored on that.
@@flipnap2112How do you use gyro stabilization?
My main problem with this camera is that you can't use the full sensor in 4k and 6k is overkill for most of my usage cases.
Until I can use the full sensor in 4k DCI I'll stay with my bmpcc4k
do you think that can be added in a software update? I was concerned about that as well.
Damn. Blackmagic full frame is beautiful 😍 also great cinematography 👏👏👏
it's a bummer they had to take out internal ND. still a nice camera for the price tho! Excellent as always Matteo!!
Old body limitations… I think on next gen, on on more expensive one - they will bring it back
people had issue with IR busting through. I seem to remember Matteo returning his as that was on of the cons
DOG TIMES gotta review it to the komodo speedbooster!
@@ioanandrei8814 it's not really an old body limitatuib but the flange distance with the new L mount. They should implement electronic ND.
Lovely footage, mate! Such a great cam and sensor :)
Cheers man! You too!
Footage looks really nice.
I'll be a bit off-topic, but I also love the behind-the-scene footage! I love the colors. What is the camera/lens pair?
You should do some side-by-side shots with the S35 sensor!
I dont know why everybody is hating this camera using some bullshit arguments…….thank god that i found you, Someone who also appretiates this Camera, Great Video!
Maybe they just dropped 20k on a RED 😬
I like this footage better than anything you’ve shown from the 12k. Photosites matter 🙂
My pocket 4k with the metabones ultra .64 focal reducer was already giving me the full-frame field of view at much more managable file sizes. 6k is just too much for my hard drive budget. lol
And much better rolling shutter. Had that combo but upgraded to 6kpro and was disappointed in that aspect
So I have 11 of those. So it’s fine. 😅
4K footage at 5:04 is the best you captured this video, imho. Colors were especially vibrant & buttery in that section 🧈
Yes, agree, strange, it had real mojo there.
Compare this with fx3
So amazing, Matteo! Very happy that you were one of the first to use this camera because you always produce such quality images with anything you shoot with. Amazing stuff here, man! This makes me miss Lisbon so much. Thank you for this!
Thanks Matteo, your work is always Awesome. 🙏🏾 Fantastic Camera, Excellent Shots
What's the rolling shutter like?
If anything this is probably a modified Sony sensor. Can’t expect that it will have anything faster than what the A7iv has.
Would be very interested in this as well :))
Much better than the original 6K I think, but will upload a video test soon
might be likely the s5/a7III sesnor. That sesnor just has so much potential. It all depends on process speed.
Panasonic S1 sensor
Hey mate, great video! Thank you so much!:) I might be too stupid to find it myself, but what leica lenses so you use and wich adapter is needed to mount it to the new bmpcc 6k? Thank you so much and keep up the good work :)
Insane footage!!
Does the sensor size affect the exposure? I'm reading about this topic these days and I got confused when you said you need a stronger ND to use your lens wide open on a full frame camera. I got confused because I really like your content and I trust in what you say, but in theory the sensor size wouldn't change the intesity of light, but the DOF and framing or am I wrong?
Great cinematography, as usual.
The camera looks clunky as hell but not surprised since all BM cameras are like this.
come on, stop denying the fullframe magical look. Look at that depth of field. Perfection.
Never did that. I always said color science and dynamic range are way more important. In facts I will never shoot on a Sony mirrorless, even if they are full frame.
@@matteobertolistrong stance! Love the black magic can't wait to get this one. But I just admit the fx3 almost had me
@@snead1 I have the ZV-E1, same FX3 sensor. I tried everything and any Leica R lenses. It doesn't come even close to Blackmagic quality
Full frame magic? That’s f2 glass. That look is achieved with f1.4 on apsc & s35. No special depth of field stuff going on here.
What’s a full frame when you can shoot with LF? Stop chasing after sensor size
My one is arriving this afternoon! I am so exited 😆
Dynamic range looks more than 13 stops. Nice roll off.
Really wish Blackmagic would also add a feature to have live monitoring and remote control via phone app for single-user operation.
Maybe it's true 13 stops and not 17 stops like other camera brands claim. Think about it, Sony claimed 14 stops for the old A7s II. Sure!
Does Blackmagic support surround view yet? Where the camera info isn’t blocking any of the actual image that’s being captured?
One sd card slot? That is not good. They also should have updated the monitor setup so it can be rigged out better without the battery blocking it. Still a clunky design. Still can't consider it. I like the full frame l mount though. I'm still not sure why they think the dslr style body is optimal for a cinema camera. They need to fix that. Nice review though.
It uses the full sensor in all resolutions or does it crop when you`re not shooting in 6K ? Nice Video. Shout out from brazil 🇧🇷
What’s the dynamic range on the new full frame?
To me it’s great. It’s basically impossible to clip highlights and shadows are super clean. Not sure why they keep claiming 13 stops while Sony claims 24 stops 😂
what camera are you actually using to film this video of you that is not the blackmagic 6k?
Awesome footage! So I guess it is not blackmagic original sensor like in the 12k. But so stoked on the open gate! Hope this will come to the UMP line!
Brilliant footage! Looks to be a Fabolous camera!
In which studio do you work? Im looking for a jog in lisbon, video editing or camera operation, hit me up!
Great video and that bokeh on the leica. You never get tired of watching that.Looking forward to part 2.
Blackmagic does it again. I always go to your reviews first for anything Blackmagic related.
Absolutely gorgeous camera and I am so happy that exactly your hand touch it first time! 🎉
Just throwing it out there but the frame would more often than not be way more interesting stopped down to a 4.5 or a 5.6. While I get the subject is important, it is kind of throwing away the detail and interesting parts of the actually location. This is one of the main reasons I don't find FF very useful that often.
Agree. But this is mainly true on close ups. On wide and medium shots you get slightly blurred. With that said I mainly shot at 5.6 expect a couple of shots at the beginning
Man that Leica glass looks stunning!
For someone like me, upgrading from a $400 Nikon, the Cinema Camera 6k full frame offers significant bounds forward, and peaks my interest with fullframe and opengate, because I do have a big interest in anamorphic optics and low light. As a VFX/Motion Designer diving into live-action cinematography, I'm aiming for a $2-5k budget idealy with some room leftover to build a rig beyond the body and lenses. Relatably so, Veteran BMPCC owners disatisfacition with the lack of upgrades makes sense. L-mount choice to me seems an unusual choice for consumer markets. Would you recommend the FX3 full-frame/FX30 super 35 vs the BCC 6k full-frame vs 6k Pro? Open to other suggestions too!
BM is giving a conservative dynamic range rating. If it is the same sensor as the S1H which it seems to be it should have incredible dynamic range up there with all the cinema cameras other than ARRI. The lack of internal ND's and high frame rates is a bummer. But for narrative work this sensor and camera is going to be incredible.
100% they are underestimate it. Or other manufacturers are claiming way more than what real dynamic range actually is.
Except C70 with its DGO sensor
Why bother having this top-notch camera and shooting with such quality if your computer can't handle the editing?
It’s 2023. I can edit 12K footage in a 12K timeline just fine and with the new M1/M2 you can edit and grade 8K footage on an iPad or a 1300$ macbook no problems.
Leica mount ? Lumix camera under the hood ?
So you said, you can go for an hour and a half/an hour 15 minutes with one battery!? With my 6K Pro, filming in 6K BRAW 12:1 i can go 25 minutes max, maybe less than that. That’s impressive
Again, not shooting all the time. Just going around time and filming short clips yes, about 1 hour and 15
@@matteobertoli Maybe the cfexpress card makes it more efficient and they said they had implemented all the electronics inside
How is IR pollution?
Would love to see a low light test!
Coming soon
Is there any way around the windowed modes, every mode besides the 6K open gate is windowed massively. I mostly shoot 1080p, or 4K when a client demands it. But 6K if overkill for 99% of all my shoots. This is not an issue with mirrorless camera's which is such a HUGE plus.
@@financial_age if you only need 1080 just buy a 1080 camera. In 2024 4K should be a must, especially for online uploading. 6k 16:9 or dci doesn’t crop at all
@@matteobertoli There are no recent 1080p camera's though (old camera's have more quirks then the new ones), wish bm will release a codec that just allows this so you can shoot fullframe in all resolutions.
cool review Matteo. Footages are amazing. Ergonomic is shitty, especially loosing the NDs from the 6kpro...
No NDs is better than bad NDs. Ergonomic is a joy to use :)
@@matteobertoli honestly no, on a gimbal, with a cage, I have 2 6kpros, love the image quality etc, but the ergonomic is bad for my use unfortunately, I do a lot of gimbal work
I don't understand why some people seems so hard to accept that the BMPCC series has its own market. Boxy cameras and DSLR-style cameras have their own market share as they cater to different preferences and needs. I just need a camera with to record my travelings and everyday life with the best possible image quality. I don't need rigs, external screen, large external battery, and other yada-yada that is very cumbersome to me. Right now, I'm only using the EOS M and 700D with Magic Lantern to record the best possible motion picture at very low price. If I want to upgrade, the BMPCC 4k, 6K, and this latest full-frame offerings from Blackmagic seem suitable for me. Hopefully, someday I'll be able to afford one of those BMPCC camera.
Anyway, great video! That open gate 3:2 AR is really good!
Brilliant review and footage, as always.
Man this looks fantastic. Im just starting out on my journey and I torn between the the this camera, 6 k pro and the sony fx3 but it just looks right to go with the Bmpcc the video is just that good.
Man Matteo, I really love the images that you produce on this camera, I was already astonished by the images from your previous 6k.
I’ve always been shooting on Panasonic cameras. But now convinced to get a blackmagic camera, currently hesitating between the fullframe madness 6k and 6k pro, to go with my lumix S5
I mainly do music videos, Music festivals with mixed lightings in and outdoor and now getting more into short docs/films.
I would love to have a consistent image and the creative option to throw some 60 fps at 6048 x 2520 2.4:1 but would it suit image wise if it gets thrown in a film entirely shot in open gate?
When you say Leica r, are you saying Leica summicron r? I wanna buy one!
Correct
This is basically a roided up Pocket 4K. Not gonna lie, I'm a little disapointed. I don't care about full frame. I just wanted a cheaper Red Komodo from Blackmagic, with the boxy design and a return to the old days with Global Shutter. At this price point I would rather buy the Fujifilm X-H2S.
Very exciting: Full frame, L-mount
Disapointing: Still this clunky form factor, no ND, no ProRes (yet?), single card slot only. So really no reason to switch from my 6k pro.
Do you know the dynamic range? Usb-C output?
Do you think it’s better than 6k pro?
Yes
What Lens did you use for this?
The other good thing about that beauty full frame: prices for 6k 35s and 4k will be drop to the ground of the ocean and they are -without full frame SENSORS- excellent cameras too. So its a win:win for everyone.
My friend, are there sqeeze options for anamorphic? So I can view 1.6x or 1.5x lenses
Hi Matteo! :) I wanna get a Leica R too. Im thinking of buying a Elmarit-R 35mm 2,8 from 1970. Do you think its a good choice? Do you have any tipps for buying Leica-R lenses? :)
It’s a good lens for sure. I only buy Leica from Mark: www.ebay.com/str/opticalbrilliance?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=Ss6wVUrLSO6&sssrc=3418065&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY. Tell him I sent you!
@@matteobertoli Thank you very much! I will! :)
any tweaks to the AF? I don't think so but just wondering
Amazing shots! Love it! Btw. Wht camera do you use for your youtube video shoots?
Matteo Bertoli, isn't that an M mount lens you're using? on a L mount camera? Love the footage, but what is the lens and adapter, please?
Highlight rolloff is really nice on this combo. That's something that doesn't show in the specs vs the s1iix but yeah.
I'm constantly amazed at how smooth your tracking shots are, handheld! I really need to practice more...
Matteo where are you from? its beautiful would love to visit that city
I'm assuming they'll ad nd's and dual card slots in the pro version?
I doubt it. I think there isn’t enough space. But OLPF is a big deal and NDs on the Pro were not that good
There is room if Sony and canon can put NDs in
Still no global shutter? We miss you blackmagic production camera 4K!
What camera was used to shoot the camera review itself, btw? 🤔
Imagine putting a Kipon l mount to Mamiya 645 speed booster on this camera getting the medium format look 👌
Very nice colors on the BM but can you reveal what kind of camera you shoot this review also? Buttery Luts? Colours are phenomenal. Thank you
Nice video Matteo! Stunning mages. The Lieca's shine wit this new camera °¬)
What's the rolling shutter like?
Nice camera, but even nicer model, I think every footage will be great with her in the frame. Waiting for part 2!
Is IR pollution still a thing on this camera?
There is an OLPF
I would love to try one. Waiting for available in Thailand
I know cinema standard was based on super 35 sensors but after I bought into full frame cameras I just couldn't go back! This is one of the reasons why I didn't pull thr trigger on BM cameras but now I'm truly convinced! Blackmagic arguably apart from Lumix offers the best bang for your buck and the most value for anyone who is serious about cinema, I'm def getting one of these!
Love the fact it has "Multifunction Grip with Fingertip Controls!" 😂
I mean come on man, it's a multifunction grip with FINGERTIP CONTROLS!!
Name another camera that you can control with your fingertips?! I will wait!! BET YOU AN IPHONE APP YOU CAN'T!
#BlackmagicDesign
Hi Matteo! Great video! Thanks for sharing. Q: No color correction at all? just the out?
Some contrast and wb adjustments
Looks Fu$& great!!!!
Very curious who's making the full frame sensor for this camera? Thought I heard it's the same sensor as one of the sony's, but most high-end pro-sumer sony's have 15stops of dynamic range.
This is false. Sony (and many others) is famous for claiming total fake numbers when it comes to dynamic range in its cameras. They were claiming 14 stops for their A7s II when in reality that camera had not even 10 stops.
@@matteobertoliGreat to know. So who did make the sensor for the new full frame Blackmagic?
@@matteobertoli So who made the sensor for the new full frame BMCC? Thanks!
Damn quality is amazing! Shot itself are great too. Nice exposure
Nice
I can finally upgrade from the pocket 4
Hi Matteo, hello back from Lisbon, for real estate this camera due to full frame sensor would it be perfect?
Valid option yes!
Please explain what is the advantage of shooting in the open gate format?
Matteo tra questa videocamera e la lumix s5iix quale sceglieresti e perché?
Ovviamente Blackmagic. Colori pazzeschi e raw interno imbattibile. Quella Panasonic gira solo 1080 prores interno. Manco 4K
this is the exact video I was looking for! thanks man
AMAZING TO SEE THE FIRST FOOTAGE FROM NEW BMPCC 6K FULL FRAME CAN’T WAIT UNTIL PART2 THANK YOU
Cool!! First full frame, L mount, exciting! And CFExpress, finally. Is that an in-house sensor??
As you said, it is a never ending topic, the only disappointment for me personally is the form factor (I would love to attach a v-mount battery and power distribution plate directly to my "pocket" camera one day, instead than assembling a train of stuff on 15mm rods, and to have at least one little SDI port, even 3G), but well, they keep prices so low, one shouldn't complain. 🤷🏻♂
I wonder how long before we will see a full frame sensor like that on an Ursa Mini, maybe with even more formats and fps choices.... ;-)
finalmente Full Frame!!
per me che faccio sport ha poco senso, dove tra le mie priorità ho bisogno di uno slowmotion importante ma per il prezzo e caratteristiche rimane un ottima scelta e potrebbe diventare un ottima cam B nel mio kit.
Incredibile i 13 stop di DR,
Bella la color del video e si, prenderò il pacchetto LUT di conversione.
mi chiedo solo quale camera hai usato per riprenderti, perchè nelle alte luci ho visto una netta differenza nel recupero al minuto 5:48 e mi domando se anche la mia camera è in grado di ottenere lo stesso risultato.
Le tue riprese sono sempre bellissime anche se le fai col cel… ma anche la tua donna è sempre bellissima! Comunque camera interessante questa nuova bm
Can you post a link to the footage so we can play with it?
Sigma fp is much more convenient and the results are higher in level.
I don’t understand the enthusiasm, but I watch with curiosity)
Thank you!
Congratulations on gaining l-mount and FF!
Sigma fp is a prototype that only shoots insanely heavy files and doesn’t even have a color profile. Sigma ceo admitted it was a sort of prototype.
@@matteobertoli, You are wrong.
Sigma fp shoots in real, not cropped raw, unlike BM.
Can shoot in your cropped Braw and ProResRaw!
The fp has continuous recording without overheating to a 4 Tb disk, which is approximately 3.5 hours.
I buy such discs for 200 usd, you can compare it with the cost of your card.
Unlike BM, the signal format allows for very diverse profiling; there is no restriction on a single color profile.
Therefore, fp can give higher levels in all orders - color, contrast, saturation.
Shooting on FP the way BM shoots is not a problem at all, but why if it can be done much better)
EL - Zone allows you to keep the frame within the dynamic range.
Extending the native iso, when the first native is from 100-800, and the second is 3200, allows you to instantly compensate for minor nuances in the lighting of the frame!
Yes, fp is the prototype of the ideal camera, I agree, but what did BM do?
BM created a blank for development, with the correct frame size and mount, but retained the archaic body, cropped formats and raw limitations....
This is a breakthrough only for BM fans, I hope the next step will bring them closer to fp....
how is the rolling shutter? on the first one it was pretty bad.
How is the rolling shutter performance?
The open gate 3:2 is what will get me soon get this camera