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Have had Rim Guard in my previous tractor and my current tractor. Makes a tremendous difference in stability. Kudos to Summit for making it standard on their tractors. It should be standard on every tractor with a loader.
I have rimgaurd in my Mahindra Max 25. Greatly improved stability. The machine lifts an amazing amount for its size. Couldn't imagine using the machine without it. Always enjoy the videos. Have a great day
These are the videos i like. I love seeing these tractors put to their limits! I bought my first tractor last year, Bobcat CT1021. I love it! I frequently push it to its max and it has never had an issue!
Liquid ballast all day every day here in the Texas Hill Country. You would be in trouble driving around here without it. Lifting heavy loads leverages against that ballast weight and saves the front axle from undo punishment as well. Worth every penny!
Rim Guard already made a difference for us. I was on some uneven ground and was lifting a hay bale to our pickup truck, when one tire started to lift up. I had 400 pounds behind but it wasn't enough, but if I hadn't of had Rim guard, I know it would have tipped over! I was able to get the hay bale loaded on level ground. However I have 540 pounds of suitcase weights coming in today (along with an Implement on tge same pallet) from GWT to add to my back Implement one we weld on angle iron and hang the weights.
Oh man great demonstration!! As far as Rim Guard goes, per their website, there are no dealers in Arizona. The closest dealers are in California and Utah. So I purchased 96 gallons of RV Antifreeze from my local Walmart. I know most people use Window Washer Fluid, but it is toxic, weighs less than the RVA, and only good to -25 degrees. RVA is non toxic, heavier, good to -50 degrees, non-corrosive, and was the exact same price as WWF. Oh and btw, Bobcat told me using any wheel weights or tire ballast will void their warranty. That is why I purchased a Kioti, even though I had to drive 250 miles to get it and the Bobcat dealer is local...
Thanks Brian...you know, I haven't noticed significant hydro whine. Not sure if that's because I'm so used to it on these tractors in general or if it doesn't have much noise to begin with. I'll have to pay closer attention.
Iv got a 35 horse Mahindra that I got from my grandfather and it doesn't have a front end loader and no front ballast. One day I had my 5 foot bush hog on the back while loading on my lowboy equipment trailer I ended up driving onto the deck on just the back tires.
As always great video Courtney!!! The ballast in tires makes a world of difference most of the time. Wanted to have rim guard put in mine but wanted way to much money. So I did it myself with rv antifreeze not as much weight but made a big difference on my 1626 Mahindra. I've lifted 1840 pounds of logs 4 ft. Off ground with pallet forks without ballast on 3point with loaded tires but didn't go but about 50 ft to unload them. That summit tractor is sweet lookin love the color and the extras that come with it. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun enjoy what you do
Excellent video! You always put out quality videos and are partnering with quality companies. I bought a Mahindra 2555 new 5 years ago and had them put Rimguard prior to delivery. SO glad I did that. The next time I need an attachment I will be ordering from you just because of the quality videos you put out.
My local Deere dealer said if I wanted ballast in the tires, they'd use RimGuard. Well, actually, they said they'd have a close-by RimGuard dealer do the work. But I had to bring it up, they never mentioned tire ballast at all. It's great that Summit does it at the factory - they're actually selling you something that you can put to full, *safe* use the first day!
Fantastic video sowing the reality of exceeding the loader capability along with stability of the tractor. Add uneven ground, soft ground, and holes make one stay conservative. Thanks
Courtney, could you repeat that tip over segment after installing a set of Bora Wheel Spacers. You'll probably need to use a different tractor without the liquid in them. Great video by the way.
Definitely have tractor envy. Purchased my Kubota from the dealer a month ago….if I would have only waited a month to get a Summit. Great video GWT. Thanks for all the work you do
holding weight at a certain height is different than lifting it an inch to remove it from a trailer bed. I would have liked to see you lift it at 36 inches up an inch to test that.
The other good thing with liquid ballast (and wheel weights) is it's un-sprung weight. It doesn't effect your axle weight capacity. It will effect your 0 to 12 mph time tho, so no drag racing your neighbor. Up here in the PNW I can't use the extra weight in the winter (Oct - May?) because of the mud and clay at least on my property. I picked up a new LS MT-235HE for a retirement present in Feb and couldn't use it on most of my property as it would get stuck with those pos R-4 tires it came with (and the added extra #1000lbs of the tractor probably didn't help). Would have had to wait months to get the R1's ordered. I dropped a couple dozen tree's over the last year and I had to use my old '97 JD-770 to move most of my branch's and lighter logs to my fire pit in the middle of my swamp. Working on drainage this year.
When you where doing the weight test I noticed the bucket was curled pretty much all the way to the pivot point that plays a huge roll in how much weight you can lift compared to leaving the bucket flat all the way to max lift height
Yes, especially in the test to see what you can pull off a truck deck. If those actually *were* pallet forks they'd have to be flat to the deck, not curled way back!
While not shipped from the factory, my dealer adds liquid ballast on all of the loader equipped tractors they sell. I'm not sure how much liquid ballast would help in the front tires. As you demonstrated, a tractor would be well on its way to tipping over before the front wheels would start to lift.
I have 11.2-24 tires and was surprised to see rim guard adds 274# per tire. They came loaded when I bought the tractor. I still need more weight, so I always have some behind me when doing loader work.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what these guys develop this into. This seems like a great little tractor. Hopefully it is an option in my area by the time I am able to finally buy a tractor.
i have massy 1710 good unit it will lift 400 lbs with the forks on it this shows me i need rim guard i dont lift very often but might have to get it done good job showing the real world use of weights
I have a 1025R. I could not get wheel spacers because of the MMM. I had Rimguard added as well as 70 lb wheel weights and it makes a significant difference. I can imagine that with larger tires it would have even more impact. It's not hype.
@@projectswithjw It depends on model year and what size mower deck. I have a 2015 with 54" deck. I have measured it more than once. Anything wider than 1/2" and the rear tire would interfere with the bracket for the adjustable guide wheels. Newer models don't seem to have the same problem so they likely moved the location of the bracket for the guide wheels.
Yes, a Kioti CX2510 is equivalent to the featured Summitt's frame. Rim Guard in the tires really helps, but for the heaviest spec loads front/rear, additional ballast is still needed. Still need to be cautious on angles and slopes.
Great video, great little tractor and great info on rim guard. I have seen a lot of your other videos and I feel it is good stuff. We found some old log chains at a farm auction and that is what I'm using for ballast right now and it works but it would be a lot better if the tires had the weight instead of the arms on the 3-point hitch. Thank you and have a great week
I totally want one of these tractors. Need dealers in Georgia! Even with my larger tractor, I will always have a bale of hay on the back as counter weight for lifting large loads with my front-end loader. I have always put water & antifreeze in my tires for weight.
Each rear tire on the Summit TX25 requires about 15 gallons of Rim Guard and adds around 350 lbs total. If you're interested in finding how much a different tire size requires, visit www.rimguardsolutions.com/beet-juice-is-better/tire-fill-tools/
I've just finished getting RimGuard installed by a local dealer in a new tractor, so I've been all over their website for a while now. They have a thing they call a "Fill Tool" that tells you for a given tire how many gallons it takes and the weight. Summit says the TX25 comes with Goodyear R14T 12-16.5 rear tires (www.summittractors.com/pdf/specs-tx25h.pdf). And the RG fill tool says those tires take 16 gallons, with a weight of 175 lbs. (www.rimguardsolutions.com/tire-fill-tools/) So the two tires would add 350 pounds total.
The tractor was tipping to one side cause you stepped on one side, now you are applying pressure evenly to both sides. You have a good channel with good viewers, we are alert ! LOL.
I got to check one of the summit tractors out today. Our local Atwoods has a couple. Very nice tractor I just need something a little bigger that can handle a few round bails a year.
Cool test, and some very good points on loader "etiquette". I do have ballast in my rear tires, not sure what it is, but it definitely helps! Just got my Rhinohide canopy yesterday, hoping to put it on my eMax 20 somethime this week. I'm hoping it works, as my ROPS is a similar shape as the JD 1025R only mine are in a fixed forward position and fold well below the bend. Looks like an awesome product and really hoping it works for my machine.
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The sunshade really helps even in the cool Northwest. Your tractor, because of the center pivot on the front axle, acts pretty much like a 3 wheel vehicle. You need weight on the two back wheels to keep them anchored to the ground or your tractor will act like that 3 wheel vehicle in the Mr. Bean series, especially if you have weight on your loader and have your loader high. Liquid in tire ballast like RimGuard is a good start, but an implement, ballast box or the suitcase weight bracket Courtney sells are a good idea for loader work.
@@frankmoreau8847 Thanks Frank, I usually run with my Backhoe on, so I should be all set with ballast weight. In the winter when I have my front mount snowblower on, I either keep the backhoe on or am running with chains and a rear grader blade.
Great video! Love real world data. Would also love to see you do a side by side of the TX 25, and they RK 25. They seem to be the most closely matched package on the market right now. Thanks!
When you measured the 1025r lift capacity to full height you forgot to add the weight of the toothbar. You should also include what the max lift height is next to the weights.
These R14 tires, filled with Rim Guard. . . I have some Honey Locust trees on my property, with at least 3 trails passing under some of them. Which means some occasional BIG thorns on the ground. Have had to repair front tires on my little JD 180E lawn tractor twice so far. I worry about puncturing and having a huge rim guard mess. Valid concern? Or don't worry because the tire tread is thick enough to not be an issue?
I've got calcium chloride in my tires, and it came with it from the dealer. I'm considering replacing it with RimGuard, primarily because of the corrosion issue. I'll have to ask the RimGuard folks if they're installation process also includes (or can include) removing any existing liquid ballast.
I do believe many JD manuals still specifically list calcium chloride mixed with water for liquid ballast...almost like they want you to get that replacement set of wheels down the road 😂
It would be up to the RimGuard dealer you use if they wanted to remove any existing ballast. The reason I know this is because I almost bought a tractor from a dealer who pre-filled the tires with magnesium chloride, even though I had requested RimGuard. I had arranged with a RimGuard dealer to go to the dealer's shop, remove the existing stuff, wash out the rims and tires, then fill with RimGuard. But the dealer decided they didn't want to do it. (I ended up at a different dealer.)
@@freecycling6687 I had to go to a different Kubota dealer the day we took delivery of the tractor because our dealer didn't sell Rim guard. They swapped out tires at our dealer with another new tractor, because we wanted R4s rather than R1s. Nobody at our dealer in sales and service knew that someone had but water and antifreeze in them. This dealer simply drained it and filled them with Rim guard. It just took longer, but it was worth the wait since we have goats and sheep.
I like your attempt at capability comparison but for the "truck unloading test" you need to start at 37 inches and go UP 1 inch, then drive back 4 feet - failure to lift that 1 inch means you might drag... and when the load comes off the truck you tip.... so the test requires lifting 1 inch then backing up the width of the pallet. Still, nice demo and you do get your point across. :)
I had Rim Guard put in the tires on my Kubota BX tractor when I purchased it brand-new in 2016. I had to replace both rear tires this year, 5 years later, because the Rim Guard had degraded the side walls of the tires. The side walls had started to split and seep. Is there something specific with Kubota BX tires or is this a common known issue with all sub-compact tires?
So tempted to talk some trash about the Kubota, but I hold my tongue, haha! Hmm, now that is a strange one. Seems like a one-off type of situation. I've never heard of that occurring with RimGuard, beet juice, TL-90, or any other product. I'm sure the tires are long gone, but that's the kind of thing that would be hard to pinpoint without some further analysis. I've had many used Kubota tractors pass through my shop with RimGuard stickers on them. None had new tires. This isn't a known problem with the product nor any other liquid ballast (yes, chloride will ruin the wheels). I'm guessing more to the story that may never be known. All that said, RimGuard and pretty much every quality liquid ballast dealer will recommend changing out rubber valve stems for steel.
Hey thanks for sharing, John. We have never heard of this happening since our founding in the 90's, but we would love to assist in any way. If you are interested in our assistance, please reach us at info@rimguardsolutions.com so we can help. Thanks!
Did you contact RimGuard about it? If not, I think it would be a good idea. They're very friendly and accommodating when you call them, one of their folks spent almost an hour with me on the phone going over the issue with replacing magnesium chloride that I mentioned in a comment above.
@@freecycling6687 I did not contact RimGuard. I figured the tires were 5 years old and it was likely more a manufacturing issue with the tire than an issue with the RimGuard. I didn't think it was worth my time.
@@RimGuardBallast Thank you for responding. I can't truly say it was RimGuard that caused the issue, however, this is what I was told by C.H. Waltz bloomsburg, PA location, which is my local kubota dealer. It is possible that the information I was given was not accurate and it was actually an issue with the tire manufacturer that Kubota was using in 2016. I was told by the service manager that the dealership is now filling the BX tires with windshield wiper fluid to avoid the issues with RimGuard. I would be happy to vouch for the information I was given verbally by the dealer if RimGuard wants to pursue a discussion with the dealership about providing false claims about the product, beyond that, I do not know if this is worth pursuing? I was not looking for reimbursement, I just wanted to know, for my own knowledge, if the information I was given by the deal was accurate for my own knowledge.
I take a key or screwdriver and gently poke the valve (careful as contents are under a bit of pressure). Sometimes it's easy to figure out, other times not. A good test to at least know if it'll free or not is to collect a small sample and put in your freezer overnight. This will at least give you an idea of it its water or too much water. Odor can help too. Water, windshield washer fluid, calcium chloride, RimGuard, and TL90 are some common choices used for liquid ballast.
I live in South Texas along with an abundance of mesquite thorns. Doing so requires me to fill my tires with a leak sealant… does Rim guard work as a sealant?
What led to loosing the existing rim guard solution from tires? What is the long life warranty on it? I didn’t purchase the Summit yet but I am looking forward. I educate myself about it for now. Thank you sir.
I love my 1025r it works for everything around the house. But I’m really thinking about getting a summit tractor if I can get a backhoe for it someday 😉
Loved the video only thing I was wondering was when you 1st had the tractor tip you pushed down on the very outside edge of the bucket but when you push with the rim guard you pushed in the middle of the bucket you even jumped on bucket in the middle in my mine I think it makes a big difference pushing on outside corner of bucket. Again good video summit looks like it could be nice little tractor. I am a kubota man
I agree with you tire ballast works we see that in video. Is there any downside? Does it rust rim or eat through the rubber? I just bought a new 1025r and am trying to figure if add ballast or just go with wheel weights. As you probably guessed I am one of those new tractor guys you make your videos for. I do go back and look at older ones on the 1025R to see all you do with it and get ideas of what I want, definitely a snow pusher, tried ordering some things from your affiliates but they are always sold out. Thanks for the informative videos!
Good news, Larry, Rim Guard is non corrosive and animal food grade safe so it protects your tires and wheels! Be sure that you have a metal valve stem rather than rubber before installing. Any form of liquid ballast will compromise the adhesion of the rubber valve stem to wheel and you can experience a blowout.
Great video! I’m really considering purchasing this tractor and this video helped. My only concern is with parts and service. Do you know if the manufacturer is reputable?
ballast has nothing to do with keeping the back wheels off the ground and everything to do with transferring load from the front axle to the back axle. all those CUTs with worn front axles at 250 hours are because they put a rake on the back and because the wheels didn't come up too often they figured it was fine. you should hang the lifting capacity of the loader off the back of the tractor to ensure double the load of the loader isn't applied to the front axle. if you dont understand what i mean by this, at 11:36 when you put your foot on the bucket and the back wheel came up, tell me how much weight was on the front axle ? the whole weight of the tractor plus the load. rimguard and wheel weights do not serve the same purpose as ballast. if you lift heavy on the loader, ballast the tractor according to the manufacturers specs, not only is it safer, it's correct for your axle
@@GoodWorksTractors not sure what you are saying here, about what would my mind be changed? physics? axle ratings? weight transfer? ballast levers weight from the front axle to the back axle and if you don't understand the concept, and you're calling rim guard loader ballast, you are the one who needs to change, because you are simply incorrect, if you are selling a product, your customers deserve correct info and that requires you to be correct to start with. i'm critiquing your presentation here not because the tractor in question is bad, but what you are promoting (the goal being keeping the back wheels on the ground) is bad for the longevity of axles and totally the wrong way to consider what is happening when you hang a load 3 feet ahead of the front axle.
to further clarify, i suggest everyone add rimguard to their wheels, i am not advocating against that. it's a fantastic traction aid, adds weight to the contact patch with little shearing force on the drive motors and is an all around positive to the tractor experience. i use it in both of my tractors. it is not, however, ballast against loader weight, unless you put a barrel of it on a carry all on the 3 point.
@@GoodWorksTractors No, as specified in the LX-85 loader operator's manual, the proper way to ballast the tractor for any loader operation is a 3 point counterweight of 551 - 661lbs. That's Summit's specification, in Summit's manual, for Summit's product. Rimguard is a selling point for the tractor, but it isn't loader ballast, and the engineers who spec the tractor for loader operation know that already, and put the spec in the manual. I believe they trust you to communicate that spec to your customer for safe operation, but if you don't, they're going to have questions for you once they buy your tractor and then actually read the manuals.
When the loader is plowing snow in float control mode, the loader weight makes no contribution to traction. The RimGuard only loads the tire, not the axle. In the front, some minor extra steering forces are felt, but that's it.
I've got a JD1025R with the backhoe. I like the QA system but it seems like a hydraulic weakling ! At full throttle, it won't lift 10 - 80# bags (800#) of concrete stacked in two rows on the heel end of the forks! At 64 and overweight with a heart condition, it's a strain for an old man to off load 400# by hand! Thinking of switching to a Summit!
I think the next addition to the Good Works corporate family will be a production assistant. You need to hire a young, strong back to tote those 70lb weights on and off. 🙂
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Hats of for showing a real lift test, not enough power for me, but i so appreciate the manufacturer showing this.
Have had Rim Guard in my previous tractor and my current tractor. Makes a tremendous difference in stability. Kudos to Summit for making it standard on their tractors. It should be standard on every tractor with a loader.
You made my back and knees hurt watching you lift those weights in and out of the tractor bucket! Great video and take care.
I have rimgaurd in my Mahindra Max 25. Greatly improved stability. The machine lifts an amazing amount for its size. Couldn't imagine using the machine without it. Always enjoy the videos. Have a great day
These are the videos i like. I love seeing these tractors put to their limits! I bought my first tractor last year, Bobcat CT1021. I love it! I frequently push it to its max and it has never had an issue!
Liquid ballast all day every day here in the Texas Hill Country. You would be in trouble driving around here without it. Lifting heavy loads leverages against that ballast weight and saves the front axle from undo punishment as well. Worth every penny!
I have Rim guard in my tires and it made a huge difference pushing snow this past winter.
Awesome, I'm glad to hear that Phillip!
That's great Phillip!
Great demo! Summit is growing FAST!
Rim Guard already made a difference for us. I was on some uneven ground and was lifting a hay bale to our pickup truck, when one tire started to lift up. I had 400 pounds behind but it wasn't enough, but if I hadn't of had Rim guard, I know it would have tipped over! I was able to get the hay bale loaded on level ground. However I have 540 pounds of suitcase weights coming in today (along with an Implement on tge same pallet) from GWT to add to my back Implement one we weld on angle iron and hang the weights.
These educational videos are not only helpful for Newbies but for all. Safety. safety safety
Agreed, thank you seeker!
Excellent video!
Great topic, great demo. Sends the message load and clear !
One thing to be told, whole new defanition when seen.
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Oh man great demonstration!!
As far as Rim Guard goes, per their website, there are no dealers in Arizona. The closest dealers are in California and Utah. So I purchased 96 gallons of RV Antifreeze from my local Walmart. I know most people use Window Washer Fluid, but it is toxic, weighs less than the RVA, and only good to -25 degrees. RVA is non toxic, heavier, good to -50 degrees, non-corrosive, and was the exact same price as WWF. Oh and btw, Bobcat told me using any wheel weights or tire ballast will void their warranty. That is why I purchased a Kioti, even though I had to drive 250 miles to get it and the Bobcat dealer is local...
This little tractor has character . I have a kubota B2650 with a cab now , I like what I’m seeing in Summit, is there any hydro whining
Thanks Brian...you know, I haven't noticed significant hydro whine. Not sure if that's because I'm so used to it on these tractors in general or if it doesn't have much noise to begin with. I'll have to pay closer attention.
Iv got a 35 horse Mahindra that I got from my grandfather and it doesn't have a front end loader and no front ballast. One day I had my 5 foot bush hog on the back while loading on my lowboy equipment trailer I ended up driving onto the deck on just the back tires.
As always great video Courtney!!! The ballast in tires makes a world of difference most of the time. Wanted to have rim guard put in mine but wanted way to much money. So I did it myself with rv antifreeze not as much weight but made a big difference on my 1626 Mahindra. I've lifted 1840 pounds of logs 4 ft. Off ground with pallet forks without ballast on 3point with loaded tires but didn't go but about 50 ft to unload them. That summit tractor is sweet lookin love the color and the extras that come with it. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun enjoy what you do
Excellent video! You always put out quality videos and are partnering with quality companies. I bought a Mahindra 2555 new 5 years ago and had them put Rimguard prior to delivery. SO glad I did that. The next time I need an attachment I will be ordering from you just because of the quality videos you put out.
I have John Deere 1023 and my dealer put rim gard in the rear tires, I also added 50lb rear wheel weights and it definitely does make a difference
That was a lot of weight! Good workout too! Thanks for the info! I learned something today!
Hehe, yeah I need a workout like that once in awhile...so maybe again next year :)
Learning from your channel. Exciting. Thank you
Hey- great info! Thanks for putting this to the test.
My local Deere dealer said if I wanted ballast in the tires, they'd use RimGuard. Well, actually, they said they'd have a close-by RimGuard dealer do the work. But I had to bring it up, they never mentioned tire ballast at all. It's great that Summit does it at the factory - they're actually selling you something that you can put to full, *safe* use the first day!
There is definitely opportunity for education on the topic of proper ballast, even for some dealerships! Thanks for helping spread the word.
Fantastic video sowing the reality of exceeding the loader capability along with stability of the tractor. Add uneven ground, soft ground, and holes make one stay conservative.
Thanks
Just an amazing little tractor.
This was a pretty impressive test
Thanks for the testing.
Very welcome!
Courtney, could you repeat that tip over segment after installing a set of Bora Wheel Spacers. You'll probably need to use a different tractor without the liquid in them.
Great video by the way.
Incredible information. If I purchase a tractor this size it will be a Summit for sure.
Thanks Mark!
Definitely have tractor envy. Purchased my Kubota from the dealer a month ago….if I would have only waited a month to get a Summit. Great video GWT. Thanks for all the work you do
All good, Kubota makes a good machine too so you're on the right track!
You won’t be disappointed with the Kubota
Time to get ready with a summit tractor and making it ready for the winter weather yard/driveway cleanup..... sounds like a great video to me!!!!????
RimGard was best thing I added to my 1025r. Alot more stable.
holding weight at a certain height is different than lifting it an inch to remove it from a trailer bed. I would have liked to see you lift it at 36 inches up an inch to test that.
Me too!
The other good thing with liquid ballast (and wheel weights) is it's un-sprung weight. It doesn't effect your axle weight capacity. It will effect your 0 to 12 mph time tho, so no drag racing your neighbor.
Up here in the PNW I can't use the extra weight in the winter (Oct - May?) because of the mud and clay at least on my property. I picked up a new LS MT-235HE for a retirement present in Feb and couldn't use it on most of my property as it would get stuck with those pos R-4 tires it came with (and the added extra #1000lbs of the tractor probably didn't help). Would have had to wait months to get the R1's ordered. I dropped a couple dozen tree's over the last year and I had to use my old '97 JD-770 to move most of my branch's and lighter logs to my fire pit in the middle of my swamp. Working on drainage this year.
When you where doing the weight test I noticed the bucket was curled pretty much all the way to the pivot point that plays a huge roll in how much weight you can lift compared to leaving the bucket flat all the way to max lift height
Yes, especially in the test to see what you can pull off a truck deck. If those actually *were* pallet forks they'd have to be flat to the deck, not curled way back!
i agree ,no one can load with a bucket curled back ?
GREAT DEMO !!! Keep it up
I love it. So informative. Thank you.
Richard Mansfield, Ohio
While not shipped from the factory, my dealer adds liquid ballast on all of the loader equipped tractors they sell.
I'm not sure how much liquid ballast would help in the front tires. As you demonstrated, a tractor would be well on its way to tipping over before the front wheels would start to lift.
is that a rear camera on the roll bar? tell me more! Do you have ideas about cameras on front so can see forks?
I have 11.2-24 tires and was surprised to see rim guard adds 274# per tire. They came loaded when I bought the tractor. I still need more weight, so I always have some behind me when doing loader work.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what these guys develop this into. This seems like a great little tractor. Hopefully it is an option in my area by the time I am able to finally buy a tractor.
i have massy 1710 good unit it will lift 400 lbs with the forks on it this shows me i need rim guard i dont lift very often but might have to get it done good job showing the real world use of weights
I have a 1025R. I could not get wheel spacers because of the MMM. I had Rimguard added as well as 70 lb wheel weights and it makes a significant difference. I can imagine that with larger tires it would have even more impact. It's not hype.
You can get 1.5" spacers on the rear with a mower deck.
@@projectswithjw It depends on model year and what size mower deck. I have a 2015 with 54" deck. I have measured it more than once. Anything wider than 1/2" and the rear tire would interfere with the bracket for the adjustable guide wheels. Newer models don't seem to have the same problem so they likely moved the location of the bracket for the guide wheels.
I can’t wait for Tim to put one of these tractors to the test.
Yes, a Kioti CX2510 is equivalent to the featured Summitt's frame. Rim Guard in the tires really helps, but for the heaviest spec loads front/rear, additional ballast is still needed. Still need to be cautious on angles and slopes.
that was a great demo.....went from really tippy to stable even with a Courtney added
Thanks, the video I was looking for!
Great video, great little tractor and great info on rim guard. I have seen a lot of your other videos and I feel it is good stuff. We found some old log chains at a farm auction and that is what I'm using for ballast right now and it works but it would be a lot better if the tires had the weight instead of the arms on the 3-point hitch. Thank you and have a great week
Thank you Curt and same to you!
I totally want one of these tractors. Need dealers in Georgia! Even with my larger tractor, I will always have a bale of hay on the back as counter weight for lifting large loads with my front-end loader. I have always put water & antifreeze in my tires for weight.
Thanks for your interest Bart. They'll be spreading out into Georgia by next spring!
Love the real world test!!
For a reference… on that tractor, how much weight did the liquid ballast add?
Each rear tire on the Summit TX25 requires about 15 gallons of Rim Guard and adds around 350 lbs total.
If you're interested in finding how much a different tire size requires, visit www.rimguardsolutions.com/beet-juice-is-better/tire-fill-tools/
I've just finished getting RimGuard installed by a local dealer in a new tractor, so I've been all over their website for a while now. They have a thing they call a "Fill Tool" that tells you for a given tire how many gallons it takes and the weight. Summit says the TX25 comes with Goodyear R14T 12-16.5 rear tires (www.summittractors.com/pdf/specs-tx25h.pdf). And the RG fill tool says those tires take 16 gallons, with a weight of 175 lbs. (www.rimguardsolutions.com/tire-fill-tools/) So the two tires would add 350 pounds total.
@@RimGuardBallast is that 15 gals per tire?
@@rcclassiccrawlers4368 yep!
The tractor was tipping to one side cause you stepped on one side, now you are applying pressure evenly to both sides. You have a good channel with good viewers, we are alert ! LOL.
Yeah a little right of center, still painted a pretty good picture of the difference. Thanks for watching!
I got to check one of the summit tractors out today. Our local Atwoods has a couple. Very nice tractor I just need something a little bigger that can handle a few round bails a year.
I enjoy these videos. How well is it with a log or logs and the grapple? Very intriguing thanks again!!
Cool test, and some very good points on loader "etiquette". I do have ballast in my rear tires, not sure what it is, but it definitely helps!
Just got my Rhinohide canopy yesterday, hoping to put it on my eMax 20 somethime this week. I'm hoping it works, as my ROPS is a similar shape as the JD 1025R only mine are in a fixed forward position and fold well below the bend. Looks like an awesome product and really hoping it works for my machine.
Thank you BW! Send us an email with how it looks after installed, thank you sir! Shameless plug...the toughest canopy on the market! www.tractorcanopy.com 😂
The sunshade really helps even in the cool Northwest.
Your tractor, because of the center pivot on the front axle, acts pretty much like a 3 wheel vehicle. You need weight on the two back wheels to keep them anchored to the ground or your tractor will act like that 3 wheel vehicle in the Mr. Bean series, especially if you have weight on your loader and have your loader high. Liquid in tire ballast like RimGuard is a good start, but an implement, ballast box or the suitcase weight bracket Courtney sells are a good idea for loader work.
@@frankmoreau8847 Thanks Frank, I usually run with my Backhoe on, so I should be all set with ballast weight. In the winter when I have my front mount snowblower on, I either keep the backhoe on or am running with chains and a rear grader blade.
Great video! Love real world data. Would also love to see you do a side by side of the TX 25, and they RK 25. They seem to be the most closely matched package on the market right now. Thanks!
What’s wrong with just using water if you are in a low chance of freezing where you live? Slightly less weight per gallon but it’s free.
Did the test tractor have wheel spacers? Would that make a difference in the sideways tipping?
It did not...would make a difference for sure
Are they gonna offer a backhoe package?
How many pounds of RG did you put in?
A little bit over 300 lbs
The Summit Tractor looks like a quality machine.
When you measured the 1025r lift capacity to full height you forgot to add the weight of the toothbar.
You should also include what the max lift height is next to the weights.
I mentioned that in the 1025r video. I can't edit videos, but suffice it to say that the bigger the tractor, the higher the max lift height.
Nice job! 😁👨🚒
These R14 tires, filled with Rim Guard. . . I have some Honey Locust trees on my property, with at least 3 trails passing under some of them. Which means some occasional BIG thorns on the ground. Have had to repair front tires on my little JD 180E lawn tractor twice so far. I worry about puncturing and having a huge rim guard mess. Valid concern? Or don't worry because the tire tread is thick enough to not be an issue?
Good video, seems like a well built tractor! Wish Them Well
Great video
I've got calcium chloride in my tires, and it came with it from the dealer. I'm considering replacing it with RimGuard, primarily because of the corrosion issue. I'll have to ask the RimGuard folks if they're installation process also includes (or can include) removing any existing liquid ballast.
I do believe many JD manuals still specifically list calcium chloride mixed with water for liquid ballast...almost like they want you to get that replacement set of wheels down the road 😂
It would be up to the RimGuard dealer you use if they wanted to remove any existing ballast. The reason I know this is because I almost bought a tractor from a dealer who pre-filled the tires with magnesium chloride, even though I had requested RimGuard. I had arranged with a RimGuard dealer to go to the dealer's shop, remove the existing stuff, wash out the rims and tires, then fill with RimGuard. But the dealer decided they didn't want to do it. (I ended up at a different dealer.)
@@freecycling6687 I had to go to a different Kubota dealer the day we took delivery of the tractor because our dealer didn't sell Rim guard. They swapped out tires at our dealer with another new tractor, because we wanted R4s rather than R1s. Nobody at our dealer in sales and service knew that someone had but water and antifreeze in them. This dealer simply drained it and filled them with Rim guard. It just took longer, but it was worth the wait since we have goats and sheep.
Great video!!👍👍👍
I like your attempt at capability comparison but for the "truck unloading test" you need to start at 37 inches and go UP 1 inch, then drive back 4 feet - failure to lift that 1 inch means you might drag... and when the load comes off the truck you tip.... so the test requires lifting 1 inch then backing up the width of the pallet. Still, nice demo and you do get your point across. :)
It’s just a data point. I specifically called out an example in the video of loading bags into your bucket at trailer height.
I had Rim Guard put in the tires on my Kubota BX tractor when I purchased it brand-new in 2016. I had to replace both rear tires this year, 5 years later, because the Rim Guard had degraded the side walls of the tires. The side walls had started to split and seep. Is there something specific with Kubota BX tires or is this a common known issue with all sub-compact tires?
So tempted to talk some trash about the Kubota, but I hold my tongue, haha!
Hmm, now that is a strange one. Seems like a one-off type of situation. I've never heard of that occurring with RimGuard, beet juice, TL-90, or any other product. I'm sure the tires are long gone, but that's the kind of thing that would be hard to pinpoint without some further analysis. I've had many used Kubota tractors pass through my shop with RimGuard stickers on them. None had new tires. This isn't a known problem with the product nor any other liquid ballast (yes, chloride will ruin the wheels). I'm guessing more to the story that may never be known. All that said, RimGuard and pretty much every quality liquid ballast dealer will recommend changing out rubber valve stems for steel.
Hey thanks for sharing, John.
We have never heard of this happening since our founding in the 90's, but we would love to assist in any way. If you are interested in our assistance, please reach us at info@rimguardsolutions.com so we can help. Thanks!
Did you contact RimGuard about it? If not, I think it would be a good idea. They're very friendly and accommodating when you call them, one of their folks spent almost an hour with me on the phone going over the issue with replacing magnesium chloride that I mentioned in a comment above.
@@freecycling6687 I did not contact RimGuard. I figured the tires were 5 years old and it was likely more a manufacturing issue with the tire than an issue with the RimGuard. I didn't think it was worth my time.
@@RimGuardBallast Thank you for responding. I can't truly say it was RimGuard that caused the issue, however, this is what I was told by C.H. Waltz bloomsburg, PA location, which is my local kubota dealer. It is possible that the information I was given was not accurate and it was actually an issue with the tire manufacturer that Kubota was using in 2016. I was told by the service manager that the dealership is now filling the BX tires with windshield wiper fluid to avoid the issues with RimGuard. I would be happy to vouch for the information I was given verbally by the dealer if RimGuard wants to pursue a discussion with the dealership about providing false claims about the product, beyond that, I do not know if this is worth pursuing? I was not looking for reimbursement, I just wanted to know, for my own knowledge, if the information I was given by the deal was accurate for my own knowledge.
Do they offer a quick attach setup for the loader?
I bought a small tractor with liquid in the rear tries. How can I tell what is in my tires
I take a key or screwdriver and gently poke the valve (careful as contents are under a bit of pressure). Sometimes it's easy to figure out, other times not. A good test to at least know if it'll free or not is to collect a small sample and put in your freezer overnight. This will at least give you an idea of it its water or too much water. Odor can help too. Water, windshield washer fluid, calcium chloride, RimGuard, and TL90 are some common choices used for liquid ballast.
How high up are the tires filled?
Way cool video Courtney! I'm impressed with the tractor. Rim Guard is the only way to go, along with some ballast hanging off the 3PH.
Agreed, thank you sir!
Getting a workout in for sure.
If you already have calcium in your tires can you switch it over to rim guard
Definitely, the calcium can be drained out and refilled with Rim Guard.
Are there any summit dealers in the southeast/Georgia area? I can’t find any dealers on their website.
Not yet, but by next spring!
Is left and right different on tractor repair? Left is the driver's side, the right is the passenger in every shop I've worked on for thirty years.
I live in South Texas along with an abundance of mesquite thorns. Doing so requires me to fill my tires with a leak sealant… does Rim guard work as a sealant?
Hi John, I can tell you that MULTISEAL's Hydro 1500 works very well with Rim Guard.
What led to loosing the existing rim guard solution from tires? What is the long life warranty on it? I didn’t purchase the Summit yet but I am looking forward. I educate myself about it for now. Thank you sir.
See these sold at Runnings, impressive machine but I need one twice that size.
Good video, I just filled mine with water, I live in south Texas.
I love my 1025r it works for everything around the house. But I’m really thinking about getting a summit tractor if I can get a backhoe for it someday 😉
Loved the video only thing I was wondering was when you 1st had the tractor tip you pushed down on the very outside edge of the bucket but when you push with the rim guard you pushed in the middle of the bucket you even jumped on bucket in the middle in my mine I think it makes a big difference pushing on outside corner of bucket. Again good video summit looks like it could be nice little tractor. I am a kubota man
Thanks, yeah definitely didn’t push in the corner of the bucket. A little off center though.
cant wait until Summit comes to NC . going to have a new tractor then
That Made in Australia, Burder Front End Loader loader on the Summit TX25 works well. I have one on my 1025R with a 4 in 1 bucket
Regards John
I noticed you didn't show lowering the loader. My experience with compact tractors, the bucket falls like a rock and is impossible to feather it down
I agree with you tire ballast works we see that in video. Is there any downside? Does it rust rim or eat through the rubber? I just bought a new 1025r and am trying to figure if add ballast or just go with wheel weights. As you probably guessed I am one of those new tractor guys you make your videos for. I do go back and look at older ones on the 1025R to see all you do with it and get ideas of what I want, definitely a snow pusher, tried ordering some things from your affiliates but they are always sold out. Thanks for the informative videos!
Good news, Larry, Rim Guard is non corrosive and animal food grade safe so it protects your tires and wheels!
Be sure that you have a metal valve stem rather than rubber before installing. Any form of liquid ballast will compromise the adhesion of the rubber valve stem to wheel and you can experience a blowout.
Hi Courtney, What is the breakout force with this loader. I know on some MSL loaders you lose some of the curl strength.
can i purchase one of these in Australia
Would you recommend this tractor over the Joh. Deere 1025R???
Why to load the front tires? When you need all the traction you can get. E.g. pushing snow, blading dirt, plowing, etc.
Hills?
Ah - 11:49 Where was the camera man? Not paying attention....
Great video! I’m really considering purchasing this tractor and this video helped. My only concern is with parts and service. Do you know if the manufacturer is reputable?
ballast has nothing to do with keeping the back wheels off the ground and everything to do with transferring load from the front axle to the back axle. all those CUTs with worn front axles at 250 hours are because they put a rake on the back and because the wheels didn't come up too often they figured it was fine. you should hang the lifting capacity of the loader off the back of the tractor to ensure double the load of the loader isn't applied to the front axle. if you dont understand what i mean by this, at 11:36 when you put your foot on the bucket and the back wheel came up, tell me how much weight was on the front axle ? the whole weight of the tractor plus the load. rimguard and wheel weights do not serve the same purpose as ballast. if you lift heavy on the loader, ballast the tractor according to the manufacturers specs, not only is it safer, it's correct for your axle
Doesn’t sound like anyone could change your mind. Be safe out there.
@@GoodWorksTractors not sure what you are saying here, about what would my mind be changed? physics? axle ratings? weight transfer? ballast levers weight from the front axle to the back axle and if you don't understand the concept, and you're calling rim guard loader ballast, you are the one who needs to change, because you are simply incorrect, if you are selling a product, your customers deserve correct info and that requires you to be correct to start with. i'm critiquing your presentation here not because the tractor in question is bad, but what you are promoting (the goal being keeping the back wheels on the ground) is bad for the longevity of axles and totally the wrong way to consider what is happening when you hang a load 3 feet ahead of the front axle.
to further clarify, i suggest everyone add rimguard to their wheels, i am not advocating against that. it's a fantastic traction aid, adds weight to the contact patch with little shearing force on the drive motors and is an all around positive to the tractor experience. i use it in both of my tractors. it is not, however, ballast against loader weight, unless you put a barrel of it on a carry all on the 3 point.
@@Idontwantagoogleyoutube it’s promoted by the tractor manufacturers on how to ballast their equipment.
@@GoodWorksTractors No, as specified in the LX-85 loader operator's manual, the proper way to ballast the tractor for any loader operation is a 3 point counterweight of 551 - 661lbs. That's Summit's specification, in Summit's manual, for Summit's product. Rimguard is a selling point for the tractor, but it isn't loader ballast, and the engineers who spec the tractor for loader operation know that already, and put the spec in the manual. I believe they trust you to communicate that spec to your customer for safe operation, but if you don't, they're going to have questions for you once they buy your tractor and then actually read the manuals.
When the loader is plowing snow in float control mode, the loader weight makes no contribution to traction. The RimGuard only loads the tire, not the axle. In the front, some minor extra steering forces are felt, but that's it.
I've got a JD1025R with the backhoe. I like the QA system but it seems like a hydraulic weakling !
At full throttle, it won't lift 10 - 80# bags (800#) of concrete stacked in two rows on the heel end of the forks!
At 64 and overweight with a heart condition, it's a strain for an old man to off load 400# by hand!
Thinking of switching to a Summit!
Might have low hydraulic pressure. I took mine from 1900 to 2200 psi. It's much more capable now.
I think the next addition to the Good Works corporate family will be a production assistant. You need to hire a young, strong back to tote those 70lb weights on and off. 🙂
Hehe gonna have to happen sometime!
How much does this tractor cost
Around $19,000 right now
This summit TX 25 how is it comparable to size strength, workload etc. to a John Deere, is it most comparable to the 1 series 2 series or 3 series?
How much to rim guard a tractor that size?
The Summit TX-25 rear tires are 12-16.5. These require about 15 gallons for a 75% recommended fill adding over 160 pounds to each tire.
Is that tractor the Solis 26 made in India just different color for the US? Looks just like the Solis
Wish I could find someone to put rimguard in my 5115r, i have tried tye dealer locate and I never get a email back.
Brian, sorry you haven't seen a response! It is possible that our reply ended up in a spam or junk folder.
To contact us directly, email us at info@rimguardsolutions.com and we would be more than happy to help you find a dealer.
I thought the Summit Tractor came with Rimgaurd, so why did you need to add it.
So we could show you what it’s all about.