Had Hercules tires for years. They were a great tire. A friend told me about them when i was in high school, his dad owned a tire shop. He told me that they were the best tires at that time. Say hello to Abby for us. Have a nice vacation.
could put a pipe that sticks through the center of the rim that sticks past the studs and will hold the wheel up at the correct height to align the studs up, so all you have to do is lift the tire up and drop it on the pipe then you can turn the wheel to align it to the studs
after 3 sets of 6 (triple axle toy hauler) failed ST trailer tires - i switched to US made LT tires (properly rated for the load). No problems since. ST tires are all made off shore now and are only good for holding plastic down on a silage pile. For some really frightening reading - check on how ST tires are rated, then look up the standard that an LT tire has to meet. No comparison. Hope the rest of the trip is without incident!
nice job on the spare wheel carrier here in australia we have a half circle just a bit longer than the wheel studs that you can sit the wheel centre on and rotate to line up the studs which makes i easier and safer to locate the spare especially with big heavy wheel tyre combos
The spare mount looks great but wonder if an extra long alignment pin at the top center would make it easier to use? That way one would only need to hit one hole and after it is hung, the three mounting studs would be easy to hit.
Adam I run a fleet of gooseneck equipment trailers and and have tried many different sets of tires. We now ONLY RUN Sailun tires on our fleet. One of the biggest issues with the large trailers is that because of the weight of them Nd the f t that the side walls of trailer tires are very soft. During turning this lends the torsional forces to tear the thread part from the caucus’s of the tires. If you grab regular trailer tire you will notice that you can bend and roll the side walls with your hands Nd you will also notice that the overall weight of the tire is very light. When you grab a Sailun tire you will instantly notice the the extreme weight difference of the tire and I will bet you any amount of money you WILL NOT be able to flex the side wall of the tire. O ce we switched to Sailun tires we tripled our tire life and mileage. We run these tires hard and loaded heavy both on the highways and miles of dirt forest rods with a single failure. Please do your self a favor and go down to your local tire shop and look at a pair of them and you will not be disappointed. BTY love both of your channels. Mike
Couple of things, you may want to add a bit of steel tube to the wheel carrier that lines up with the hub but protrudes further than the wheel studs as it will make it easier to refit as it can hold up the wheel while you line up the studs. Far less effort required. As for the repeated tire problems you might want to scale each wheel on the camper you may have an overloaded side. 19000lbs / 8600kg is no feather weight. A 7.50R16 in a 14 ply would only be rated for 120kmh or 75mph and 1400kg or 3000lb each that still leaves 7000lb or 3100kg for the 5th wheel? I think a trip to weighbridge may be in order
I switched to Goodyear Endurance tires on my small 18' trailer last year, so far so good. Got rid of the China Bombs that came with the trailer, lots of horror stories on the trailer forums about them.
I watched the whole video, but my compassion for Steve brought me down a bit. Normally, I would feel as if I were tagging along with you, as a guest, having a marvelous time.
In a lot of cases like that, it is not the tire itself that originally fails, it is the valve stem. The valve stem will fail and all the air from the tire will exit immediately and by the time you notice it, the tire has been shredded as you drive down the road. I've had tires on a utility trailer do that. They did not have very many miles on them, so the tread was still nearly full thickness. They were a few years old, but no dry rot, but the valve stem did not "age as gracefully".
@@johndowe7003 -- When the valve stem fails, the air goes out of the tire VERY quickly. It's not a "blow out" strictly speaking -- that is when the tire itself gives way in a quick catastrophic failure that then causes all the air to depart the tire. If you are at highway speeds though, it doesn't much of a difference in the end result of what the tire looks like -- it gets shredded pretty quickly when all the air departs. MANY decades ago, back in my "poor student days", I never replaced a tire as long as it was holding air -- regardless of whether there was no more tread or the cord was showing on the tires. I got very good at replacing tires on the way to the university and still being able to make it to class on time. This was back in the days when we had those bumper jacks that everyone is so afraid of these days.
@@RickBaconsAdventures -- If he's hauling an RV around, there's a good chance that he's an older retired individual and as such, there might be some health limitations that prevent him from changing his own tire. I'm an old fart and I will have to admit that it is a lot more work to change my tires these days that it was 40+ years ago, but I can still do it before AAA could show up and I have no desire to have to be dependent upon someone else.
Welding is a skill I wish I had learned. When I had boats before, I noticed that they always used galvanized hardware for the trailer. I thought stainless was better, especially for salt water use but then found out that galvanized bolts had a 5000 pound capacity. I also have tire pressure monitors after having a sidewall fail. I have a two axle trailer so I didn't even realize I had a blow out! Another motorist flagged us down. Edit: Many years ago, I saw a video about tire manufacturers here in the USA. I understand about the "China bombs" but it was very eye opening to see what was found on American made tires. The problems were mainly in the manufacturing process. They actually found eating utensils in the steel belts!
Hey Adam mate, watching this has made me feel much better knowing I'm not alone with these kind of issues... in the last 12 months I purchased a new home and new car, both of which I've had issues with and fighting the lack of customer service and support that comes with purchases these days. Had my brand new kia kill a gearbox within 1 week and had 3 months of pain without a car until it was replaced... makita tools that have failed on first use, multiple issues with my new home, new furniture etc. and customer service is a thing of the past. I've been watching your videos for many years since the early days of your machining vids (passionate "hobbyist" myself), keep up the good work and being a stand up guy - from Australia, Cheers Aaron!
It has become very difficult to source western made pneumatic tyres for smaller size industrial and implement wheels in 4", 6", 8" and 10" rim sizes, as they all now seem to be made in the far east. My experience with PRC made tyres has been dire (I would not let them within a million miles of my road vehicles). These cheap PRC tyres have had carcass failures, bead failures, tread separation and porosity. This last is a problem as many of the wheels are designed for tubeless tyres and the valve hole is too big and in the wrong place to use an inner tube. When buying these tyres I now try and stick to Taiwanese or South Korean ones, which seem to be much higher quality than PRC.
So the valve stem was weak or poorly fitted and you had an extra weight hanging from it, fatiguing it as the wheel rotated. It's not plausible that all that tyre damage happened in the time it took to stop the vehicle. The sensor failed to report loss of pressure and he continued to drive on it. Doesn't seem like a tyre problem per se.
I put LT tires on mine and eliminated all tire issues. ST tires are just not any good anymore. Also, use bolt in steel valve stems and you will eliminate those issues.
Have you looked at the ramp type tire jacks (e.g. Camco 21 Trailer Aid)? They work well on most tandem axle trailers and you don't need to crawl under to use them.
That tire looks a bit tired. I would have used Nylock nuts on the spare bracket, that would make the mounting a bit more secure and prevent loss of nuts if it starts to come loose.
Adam you are a awesome young man to step outside the box and take care of family no matter what. I n the same breath somehow that tire shop that had no problem selling the bad tires should be ashamed with the man on the road and all he can say is Well they should be covered. awesome job on rack to Adam
I had the wx act same issue on a tire blow out on I-75 pulling our camper. Tires appeared to be new but the camper had been sitting for about 8yrs. Tire place said they were old tires but outer part had little to no road use. The blow out tore our rear steps that later I had reinforced with some 3/8 angle
After seeing your Instagram post about this the other day it got me thinking. Today I had to move my cousins travel trailer about 200 miles, this is only it's third move in 20 years so it's riding on the original tires. Before the move I insisted that he pick up a new spare. I'm happy to say that we had no issues 😁. Of course it was mostly due to the fact I packed the floor jack, cordless impact, sockets, road triangles and 2 safety vests. Being over prepared seems to keep things working right.
My local tire dealer here in rural Oklahoma won't stock ST trailer tire in sizes over 15 inch. He only stocks ST tires in 13, 14, and 15 inch because truck tires are 16 inch rims or larger 16 inch rims get LT truck tires at least or g14 rst tires. If the customer insists, he will special order w no warranty due to the amount of china bombs that came back.
Chineseium apparantly is no longer limited to tools manufactured by our "friends " in Asia. Very nice job on the tire holder . Hoping that the rest of your trip goes safely and enjoyably . Have fun brother .
Good choice on the Goodyear Endurance American made tires. These are what I paid extra for on a new fiver three years ago. The Goodyear Marathon are Chinese made and I've heard of problems with them.
There was a recall of Chinese made tires several years ago that vehicles, included ambulances use. The tires were designed for China, where the speed limits are around 50mph for these vehicles.
Michelin makes a wonderful tire. The only problem with them that I’ve found on both trailers and tow vehicles is that they dry rot like there is no tomorrow. Since I’ve gotten “tired” of replacing relatively low mileage tires I now keep the tires on all of my unused vehicles covered with RV covers when not in use and it has extended their lifespan significantly. EDIT: Flat tires begat flat tires when towing. I’ve learned the hard way to always carry two spares. It’s just a fact of life.
Something to look out for is sometimes tires will say "x number rated" which isn't the actual number of plies they have. It can be much less but still have the same rating, but is not as puncture resistant. Good luck.
All we use on the equipment trailers, are light truck tires, we haul bobcats, and other equipment. we have tried trailer tires, equipment tires, they do not last. Light truck have given us far better wear, and reliably.
Hey Adam , I recently purchased a TPMS (Tyre pressure monitor system ) Man that give you peace of mind for $150 i dont think i would run a RV with out one , I just fitted a brand new set of michilen tyre all 6 had a slow leak from the fitting station , with in 100 K`s the alarm went off i re filled it and turned around , No damage just some rust on the rim ,,, the $150 tpms payed for its self as if it let go it would have torn the body work off Great vid buddy
Had HI Run tires on my bumper pull horse trailer. Blew out all four tires in less then 6 months. With a "Vanguard", and haven't had any problems since then.
Carlisle has done me well, I have overloaded mine a few times and never a problem even on a 1,000 mile trip, my mother also blew a hi-run tire 40 miles from the shop and her camper dosen't even come close to maxing out the tires advertised weight rating, costed her over $600.00 in damages to the camper.
It is difficult to send the money on quality some times. A lot of people will say a tire is a tire. But when you think that there are only 4 little spots on your vehicle holding you to road when its 100+ degress outside and your traveling 70mph, quality is the only thing that makes sense.
Highly recommend nylock nuts on those U bolts. That's going to vibrate back there and stainless is a bit stretchy. Might even be better off using regular steel U bolts and nuts as you can tighten them tighter without galling the threads.
could the first failure have been from a blown out valve stem instead of a bad tire? You mentioned they installed the wrong valve stems and looking at the picture of the blown tire the valve stem is missing from it's hole.
I second the Michelin’s. Well I guess mainly because I been working in a OEM production plant for the last 35 years. We make the LT E rated tires. I work in Maintenance and reliability on the Tire testing machines at the end of the production line. All tires, not just a sample, all tires are mounted, inflated, and ran loaded in both directions with 14 parameters measured. We keep tight quality control. 30,000 plus a day. Where do they all go ?
I think I would upgrade the tire pressure warning system, that tire looks like it was ran a long way low on air . That type of side wall destruction needs super high speed , think nascar, or super high heat for a long time like you see on semi truck tires going down the road low on air
I noticed the first blowout that the valve stem was missing. I don't recall if you mentioned it or not, but I've seen where the valve stem will just fail, causing the blow out. I have a 7,000 lbs rated equipment trailer (Down 2 Earth brand)... makes me want to go check the tires and valve stems... and maybe change the stems to the HD metal ones!
@@mlindholm I remember when those Valve stem LEDs were the latest thing to put on cars... and the number of stem failures from the weight of the LED module ripping them off...
The weak link on that tire wheel assembly is the wheel. White spokers tend to crack around either the lug holes or in the corners of the spokes. A better choice would be a grey OE style wheel, much heavier material and better engineered.
Surely this is far more likely to be caused by the Valves breaking than the actual tyre randomly exploding for no apparent reason. Just thinking logically. He even pointed out they were the wrong ones in the video, and that at least one was cracked. If the one on the wheel that blew out literally broke off they would have not had a "low tyre pressure" warning allowing the tyre to quickly deflate then delaminate. That being said, and now learning they weren't actually Michelins, I always avoid Chinese tyres regardless of ratings or cost.
@@AbomAdventures Perhaps the cheap rubber valve stem could not support the weight of the TPMS? At highway speeds, that's a significant centrifugal force.
Spot on with the valve stem failure scenario... would look into internal tpms system for future security. Centrifugal force along with high temps and the potential for a leak between the stem and tpms external mount as well as the extra flex at stem base equal questionably of equipment. Alternatively soild metal stems should hold up to the external mount system but would still check seal between the two regularly. In the meantime kick back have a cold one fire up the grill and do a little research better days ahead.
@@AbomAdventures Come on man, think about what you just posted. If a tire blows out it will not have 20 psi, it goes to 0. I would bet a paycheck that the valve stem blew off with the sensor in tow. What kind of range do these tire pressure sensors have? If the valve stem blew off with the sensor, the sensor would have been out of range within an instant, therefor no warning. I promise you Steve rode that tire for several miles before someone finally let him know he had a flat tire. I've been driving big rigs for over 35 years and been an owner operator for over 20, I know whereof i speak.
Best peace of mind ever, just suck it up and replace tires every 3 - 5 years. Last blow out I had on my 5th wheel put a hole in the floor and tore up the trim on the outside of the RV. Had one blow out on my boat trailer as well..not fun. I never trailer anymore without a proper jack and my 1/2" DeWalt impact. I can change out a tire in about 3 minutes or less. Priceless when your on the shoulder and cars ripping past at 70 mph.
There have been a lot of trouble with the Chinese tires on RV's. Yes the Goodyear RV tires have had good ratings. it sux when that happens. had a tire go on my 3 axle 5th wheel. I have been lucky with warranties as I have been able to find shops that will warrintie the tires by manufacturer not the shop. wish him good luck and safe travels.
Really never China tires... although thank god and luck that nothing serious happened and what's left is just a bittersweet memory. Keep safe and happy camping :D
I just learned my lesson. I had 2 blowouts thirty miles apart last month. Now I have another tire with a broken belt. I check the pressure every time I hook my trailer and feel for heat every time I stop. Yep trailer king from China.
Since you didn't say it, I'm guessing that the wheel/axle alignment and brake/wheel bearings are all good and not generating excess heat as well as speed. I see these trailers going way to fast on the highway all the time. I would look at weight distribution, tank locations etc. I was in PA last week and saw one of these trailers flipped on it's side. Looked like the trailer was passing a semi in the fast lane and lost it. Came right across the slow lane and flipped. Semi T boned it and pushed the truck off the road into the ditch. Popped open like a can...Be safe!
Wow that's really something, Michelin Tyres at least in the UK are some of the best tyres you can buy, I use them on the motorcycle and the car, I never knew they were manufactured in China, time to reconsider my tyre purchases in future, my goodness you buy the best for peace of mind and that happens. For sure I wouldn't use that tyre garage anymore. Crappy tyres, dodgy valve stems urrrgh what a nightmare on such a big rig, glad nobody was injured and the damage was superficial. Love your adventures, you both are great 🤗
Check the manufacture's date code on the tire side wall. It is very possible to have "new old stock". I once had an RV with 16.5" rims and the warehouse had a set of 6 tires that would fit. The only problem is that the tires had been sitting in the Warehouse for 4 years. Obviously I did not buy them.
Svend Holme good point. A lot of people don't know that trailer tires are supposed to be replaced every 5 years or so irregardless of outward appearance.
Tire must have thrown a radial belt. I believe tires have a manufactured date on the sidewall. Possible tire that sat in warehouse for a long time where radial band builds a out of round memory.
If money was no object, GOODYEAR G614 RST's bought from a Goodyear Gemini with extended warranty. Replacement at any Gemini across the country. Also weigh the trailer at a truck scale (when it's fully loaded with camping gear inside), then calculate the PSI per Goodyear's load recommendation.
I'll bet that the right side of that camper is facing south (Sun side) when parked long term. And it sounds to me like the original installer of the China tires didn't install new valve stems, which were cooked/cracked by the Sun. Maybe think about going with metal bolt in valve stems when you need high ply tires, it being the weak link in your 14 ply chain there.
There is no excuse for the speed at which the china bombs age. I have a set of good year commercial tires on a spray rig that are 30 years old. Hold air and are not weather checked yet and are baked in the Louisiana sun.
Shame, any real tire place puts new stems on with new tires for this exact reason. Awesome upgrade to all metal stems! Unfortunately you need to do your research about tire brands not take the word of a tire shop
Been there done that on I65 with 2 horses in my trailer, bough a spare and 100 miles later another China home blow! No more China homes for me! Steve was lucky that it didn’t takeout all his plumbing!
Our 28-foot fifth-wheel tandem axel work rig runs heavy at all times(right around 16 ton) and runs on Carlise only and we have never experienced a problem of any kind.
Neh you don't have to balance em, but what you could do is throw in a ounce of lead pellets and centrifugal force will balance em out for cheap. I personally wouldn't bother
Nylon stems are never good. Too brittle. The extra weight of the monitor caps exacerbates the problem. Had my share of problems with steel stems also. All the flex is concentrated at the rubber seat in the rim. We folks in Alaska use rubber stems with good luck. I run many trips a year over the haul road, generally badly overloaded, without much trouble. I always carry an infrared gun to check tire temp.
My fifth wheel weighs over 14000 pounds. It has a U.S. brand, load range G tire (14 ply).. air pressure in them is 110 psi. They aint cheap but, I’ve had zero problems with them. As the commercial said, you can pay me now or you can pay me more later. Tires, like brakes is not an item to go cheep on.
I just got new tires for my car a month ago. I did quite a bit of research to be confident in my choice. Am I the only one who does that? If you don't check around and more or less buy blindly, at the very least you're just tossing dice for your selection.
The valve stems are normally changed with a set of tires? Sounds like that supplier is a problem. Your spare tire mountings are great, well designed and top quality.
How about an alignment rod that you set the wheel center hole on the rod, and then slide it back, line up the bolt holes and secure the wheel on the rack... Also, the old tires may have been OLD, and you can look around the inside the tire for the manufacture date... They age, sitting on the tire rack.
Our company bough 3 new trailer s ,an all 3 have China tires. All 3 trailers have had blowouts with only one being replaced. The company has no warranty on the other 11 tires.
I have to replace tired on my 16foot enclosed trailer. I don’t know much about brands. What are some good brands for my trailer? It’s 5 lug. Right now it had some called haul king.
Honestly, just look for some E-rated truck tires. There are a lot of good options, including "commercial" rated, that aren't much more that $10-20 a tire more. Otherwise, good...not China bomb.... Trailer tires are like $200+
Had Hercules tires for years. They were a great tire. A friend told me about them when i was in high school, his dad owned a tire shop. He told me that they were the best tires at that time. Say hello to Abby for us. Have a nice vacation.
could put a pipe that sticks through the center of the rim that sticks past the studs and will hold the wheel up at the correct height to align the studs up, so all you have to do is lift the tire up and drop it on the pipe then you can turn the wheel to align it to the studs
after 3 sets of 6 (triple axle toy hauler) failed ST trailer tires - i switched to US made LT tires (properly rated for the load). No problems since. ST tires are all made off shore now and are only good for holding plastic down on a silage pile. For some really frightening reading - check on how ST tires are rated, then look up the standard that an LT tire has to meet. No comparison. Hope the rest of the trip is without incident!
nice job on the spare wheel carrier here in australia we have a half circle just a bit longer than the wheel studs that you can sit the wheel centre on and rotate to line up the studs which makes i easier and safer to locate the spare especially with big heavy wheel tyre combos
Tire problems on the road are never fun. Glad to see that you were able to get it taken care of. Thanks for sharing.
The spare mount looks great but wonder if an extra long alignment pin at the top center would make it easier to use? That way one would only need to hit one hole and after it is hung, the three mounting studs would be easy to hit.
Could you mount the spare tyre nearer the middle so as not to block the view of the lights at a slight angle
Great video Adam. Cant beat good tires👍
Adam
I run a fleet of gooseneck equipment trailers and and have tried many different sets of tires. We now ONLY RUN Sailun tires on our fleet. One of the biggest issues with the large trailers is that because of the weight of them Nd the f t that the side walls of trailer tires are very soft. During turning this lends the torsional forces to tear the thread part from the caucus’s of the tires. If you grab regular trailer tire you will notice that you can bend and roll the side walls with your hands Nd you will also notice that the overall weight of the tire is very light.
When you grab a Sailun tire you will instantly notice the the extreme weight difference of the tire and I will bet you any amount of money you WILL NOT be able to flex the side wall of the tire. O ce we switched to Sailun tires we tripled our tire life and mileage. We run these tires hard and loaded heavy both on the highways and miles of dirt forest rods with a single failure. Please do your self a favor and go down to your local tire shop and look at a pair of them and you will not be disappointed. BTY love both of your channels.
Mike
Couple of things, you may want to add a bit of steel tube to the wheel carrier that lines up with the hub but protrudes further than the wheel studs as it will make it easier to refit as it can hold up the wheel while you line up the studs. Far less effort required. As for the repeated tire problems you might want to scale each wheel on the camper you may have an overloaded side.
19000lbs / 8600kg is no feather weight. A 7.50R16 in a 14 ply would only be rated for 120kmh or 75mph and 1400kg or 3000lb each that still leaves 7000lb or 3100kg for the 5th wheel? I think a trip to weighbridge may be in order
I switched to Goodyear Endurance tires on my small 18' trailer last year, so far so good. Got rid of the China Bombs that came with the trailer, lots of horror stories on the trailer forums about them.
I watched the whole video, but my compassion for Steve brought me down a bit. Normally, I would feel as if I were tagging along with you, as a guest, having a marvelous time.
In a lot of cases like that, it is not the tire itself that originally fails, it is the valve stem. The valve stem will fail and all the air from the tire will exit immediately and by the time you notice it, the tire has been shredded as you drive down the road. I've had tires on a utility trailer do that. They did not have very many miles on them, so the tread was still nearly full thickness. They were a few years old, but no dry rot, but the valve stem did not "age as gracefully".
Yup thats happened to me on my pickup, the valve steam cracks and they leak out air then when you least expect it they give out and blow the tire out
@@johndowe7003 -- When the valve stem fails, the air goes out of the tire VERY quickly. It's not a "blow out" strictly speaking -- that is when the tire itself gives way in a quick catastrophic failure that then causes all the air to depart the tire. If you are at highway speeds though, it doesn't much of a difference in the end result of what the tire looks like -- it gets shredded pretty quickly when all the air departs. MANY decades ago, back in my "poor student days", I never replaced a tire as long as it was holding air -- regardless of whether there was no more tread or the cord was showing on the tires. I got very good at replacing tires on the way to the university and still being able to make it to class on time. This was back in the days when we had those bumper jacks that everyone is so afraid of these days.
@@RickBaconsAdventures -- If he's hauling an RV around, there's a good chance that he's an older retired individual and as such, there might be some health limitations that prevent him from changing his own tire. I'm an old fart and I will have to admit that it is a lot more work to change my tires these days that it was 40+ years ago, but I can still do it before AAA could show up and I have no desire to have to be dependent upon someone else.
@@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire I still use bumper jacks and tire spoons to change tires , I'm not gonna pay some jabroni 20$ for a tire change .
Glad everyone is safe after all that. Abby’s family is very fortunate to have you around.
Check the pressure ratings on the valve stems you are using. We upgraded to 14 ply we put metal high pressure valve stems in.
we did see further into your video that after all that you did end up with the right valve stems.
Did you see we installed heavy duty metal valve stems?
Why are metal stems not mandatory on high pressure tires? All my trailers (6) have metal stems.
Welding is a skill I wish I had learned.
When I had boats before, I noticed that they always used galvanized hardware for the trailer. I thought stainless was better, especially for salt water use but then found out that galvanized bolts had a 5000 pound capacity.
I also have tire pressure monitors after having a sidewall fail. I have a two axle trailer so I didn't even realize I had a blow out! Another motorist flagged us down.
Edit: Many years ago, I saw a video about tire manufacturers here in the USA. I understand about the "China bombs" but it was very eye opening to see what was found on American made tires. The problems were mainly in the manufacturing process. They actually found eating utensils in the steel belts!
Hey Adam mate, watching this has made me feel much better knowing I'm not alone with these kind of issues... in the last 12 months I purchased a new home and new car, both of which I've had issues with and fighting the lack of customer service and support that comes with purchases these days. Had my brand new kia kill a gearbox within 1 week and had 3 months of pain without a car until it was replaced... makita tools that have failed on first use, multiple issues with my new home, new furniture etc. and customer service is a thing of the past.
I've been watching your videos for many years since the early days of your machining vids (passionate "hobbyist" myself), keep up the good work and being a stand up guy - from Australia, Cheers Aaron!
It has become very difficult to source western made pneumatic tyres for smaller size industrial and implement wheels in 4", 6", 8" and 10" rim sizes, as they all now seem to be made in the far east. My experience with PRC made tyres has been dire (I would not let them within a million miles of my road vehicles). These cheap PRC tyres have had carcass failures, bead failures, tread separation and porosity. This last is a problem as many of the wheels are designed for tubeless tyres and the valve hole is too big and in the wrong place to use an inner tube. When buying these tyres I now try and stick to Taiwanese or South Korean ones, which seem to be much higher quality than PRC.
That can be said about everything.
So the valve stem was weak or poorly fitted and you had an extra weight hanging from it, fatiguing it as the wheel rotated. It's not plausible that all that tyre damage happened in the time it took to stop the vehicle. The sensor failed to report loss of pressure and he continued to drive on it. Doesn't seem like a tyre problem per se.
You mentioned the new tires were Michelin? What model?
I have had real problems with china tires in the past few years as well Adam ! I sure hope the rest hold up for him .. ENJOYED
I put LT tires on mine and eliminated all tire issues. ST tires are just not any good anymore. Also, use bolt in steel valve stems and you will eliminate those issues.
Have you looked at the ramp type tire jacks (e.g. Camco 21 Trailer Aid)? They work well on most tandem axle trailers and you don't need to crawl under to use them.
That tire looks a bit tired.
I would have used Nylock nuts on the spare bracket, that would make the mounting a bit more secure and prevent loss of nuts if it starts to come loose.
Adam you are a awesome young man to step outside the box and take care of family no matter what. I n the same breath somehow that tire shop that had no problem selling the bad tires should be ashamed with the man on the road and all he can say is Well they should be covered. awesome job on rack to Adam
They ought to file a claim with their credit card company and return those bad tires.
I had the wx act same issue on a tire blow out on I-75 pulling our camper. Tires appeared to be new but the camper had been sitting for about 8yrs. Tire place said they were old tires but outer part had little to no road use. The blow out tore our rear steps that later I had reinforced with some 3/8 angle
After seeing your Instagram post about this the other day it got me thinking. Today I had to move my cousins travel trailer about 200 miles, this is only it's third move in 20 years so it's riding on the original tires. Before the move I insisted that he pick up a new spare. I'm happy to say that we had no issues 😁. Of course it was mostly due to the fact I packed the floor jack, cordless impact, sockets, road triangles and 2 safety vests. Being over prepared seems to keep things working right.
Note to self, don’t buy Chinese tires! Damn! I’m glad everyone is ok and your vacation was saved by the FHP and Dale’s!!
If you got an extra nut you got an extra nut but if you got the exact number of nuts one magically will be missing when assembling. :-)
My local tire dealer here in rural Oklahoma won't stock ST trailer tire in sizes over 15 inch. He only stocks ST tires in 13, 14, and 15 inch because truck tires are 16 inch rims or larger 16 inch rims get LT truck tires at least or g14 rst tires. If the customer insists, he will special order w no warranty due to the amount of china bombs that came back.
Chineseium apparantly is no longer limited to tools manufactured by our "friends " in Asia. Very nice job on the tire holder . Hoping that the rest of your trip goes safely and enjoyably . Have fun brother .
Good choice on the Goodyear Endurance American made tires. These are what I paid extra for on a new fiver three years ago. The Goodyear Marathon are Chinese made and I've heard of problems with them.
There was a recall of Chinese made tires several years ago that vehicles, included ambulances use.
The tires were designed for China, where the speed limits are around 50mph for these vehicles.
Curious to see where and how you mount the other spare on the camper.
Michelin makes a wonderful tire. The only problem with them that I’ve found on both trailers and tow vehicles is that they dry rot like there is no tomorrow. Since I’ve gotten “tired” of replacing relatively low mileage tires I now keep the tires on all of my unused vehicles covered with RV covers when not in use and it has extended their lifespan significantly.
EDIT: Flat tires begat flat tires when towing. I’ve learned the hard way to always carry two spares. It’s just a fact of life.
Something to look out for is sometimes tires will say "x number rated" which isn't the actual number of plies they have. It can be much less but still have the same rating, but is not as puncture resistant. Good luck.
All we use on the equipment trailers, are light truck tires, we haul bobcats, and other equipment. we have tried trailer tires, equipment tires, they do not last. Light truck have given us far better wear, and reliably.
Hey Adam , I recently purchased a TPMS (Tyre pressure monitor system ) Man that give you peace of mind for $150 i dont think i would run a RV with out one , I just fitted a brand new set of michilen tyre all 6 had a slow leak from the fitting station , with in 100 K`s the alarm went off i re filled it and turned around , No damage just some rust on the rim ,,, the $150 tpms payed for its self as if it let go it would have torn the body work off
Great vid buddy
Had HI Run tires on my bumper pull horse trailer. Blew out all four tires in less then 6 months. With a "Vanguard", and haven't had any problems since then.
Carlisle has done me well, I have overloaded mine a few times and never a problem even on a 1,000 mile trip, my mother also blew a hi-run tire 40 miles from the shop and her camper dosen't even come close to maxing out the tires advertised weight rating, costed her over $600.00 in damages to the camper.
A*A*A & Family, Nice job on the spare tire mount, great video enjoyed watching & thanks for sharing your video.!.!.!.
It is difficult to send the money on quality some times. A lot of people will say a tire is a tire. But when you think that there are only 4 little spots on your vehicle holding you to road when its 100+ degress outside and your traveling 70mph, quality is the only thing that makes sense.
Highly recommend nylock nuts on those U bolts. That's going to vibrate back there and stainless is a bit stretchy. Might even be better off using regular steel U bolts and nuts as you can tighten them tighter without galling the threads.
could the first failure have been from a blown out valve stem instead of a bad tire? You mentioned they installed the wrong valve stems and looking at the picture of the blown tire the valve stem is missing from it's hole.
Regarding the stainless u-bolts, is the type of stainless a concern strengthwise?
I second the Michelin’s. Well I guess mainly because I been working in a OEM production plant for the last 35 years. We make the LT E rated tires. I work in Maintenance and reliability on the Tire testing machines at the end of the production line. All tires, not just a sample, all tires are mounted, inflated, and ran loaded in both directions with 14 parameters measured. We keep tight quality control. 30,000 plus a day. Where do they all go ?
I think I would upgrade the tire pressure warning system, that tire looks like it was ran a long way low on air . That type of side wall destruction needs super high speed , think nascar, or super high heat for a long time like you see on semi truck tires going down the road low on air
I noticed the first blowout that the valve stem was missing. I don't recall if you mentioned it or not, but I've seen where the valve stem will just fail, causing the blow out.
I have a 7,000 lbs rated equipment trailer (Down 2 Earth brand)... makes me want to go check the tires and valve stems... and maybe change the stems to the HD metal ones!
He mentioned the TPMS was lost, but then found. That explains it.
@@mlindholm I remember when those Valve stem LEDs were the latest thing to put on cars... and the number of stem failures from the weight of the LED module ripping them off...
The weak link on that tire wheel assembly is the wheel. White spokers tend to crack around either the lug holes or in the corners of the spokes. A better choice would be a grey OE style wheel, much heavier material and better engineered.
Years ago they had defective valve stems. I had brand new tire lose air in less than 1 1/2 hours and it came apart.
Surely this is far more likely to be caused by the Valves breaking than the actual tyre randomly exploding for no apparent reason. Just thinking logically.
He even pointed out they were the wrong ones in the video, and that at least one was cracked.
If the one on the wheel that blew out literally broke off they would have not had a "low tyre pressure" warning allowing the tyre to quickly deflate then delaminate.
That being said, and now learning they weren't actually Michelins, I always avoid Chinese tyres regardless of ratings or cost.
The valve stem could have failed yes, but the tire sensor give no warning. It went at once. It went from full pressure to 20 psi in a second.
@@AbomAdventures Perhaps the cheap rubber valve stem could not support the weight of the TPMS? At highway speeds, that's a significant centrifugal force.
Spot on with the valve stem failure scenario... would look into internal tpms system for future security. Centrifugal force along with high temps and the potential for a leak between the stem and tpms external mount as well as the extra flex at stem base equal questionably of equipment. Alternatively soild metal stems should hold up to the external mount system but would still check seal between the two regularly. In the meantime kick back have a cold one fire up the grill and do a little research better days ahead.
@@AbomAdventures Come on man, think about what you just posted. If a tire blows out it will not have 20 psi, it goes to 0. I would bet a paycheck that the valve stem blew off with the sensor in tow. What kind of range do these tire pressure sensors have? If the valve stem blew off with the sensor, the sensor would have been out of range within an instant, therefor no warning. I promise you Steve rode that tire for several miles before someone finally let him know he had a flat tire. I've been driving big rigs for over 35 years and been an owner operator for over 20, I know whereof i speak.
It looks like it blew out the Valve stem. Were they rubber pull in style stems? if so they will not last long at 100PSI.
Michelin tyres are excellent quality. Is it possible that counterfeit Michelins are coming out of China? It wouldn't surprise me.
How is everyone coming up with that they were Michelin tires????? It was stated VERY PLAINLY that they were "Hi-Run" branded tires.
@@BKD70 He saying Michelin brand, in the beginning of the video 2:14 That´s why we from European react because Michelin is good stuff.
Best peace of mind ever, just suck it up and replace tires every 3 - 5 years. Last blow out I had on my 5th wheel put a hole in the floor and tore up the trim on the outside of the RV. Had one blow out on my boat trailer as well..not fun. I never trailer anymore without a proper jack and my 1/2" DeWalt impact. I can change out a tire in about 3 minutes or less. Priceless when your on the shoulder and cars ripping past at 70 mph.
70 mph? Try 85-90 and high on dope texting and facebooking.
There have been a lot of trouble with the Chinese tires on RV's. Yes the Goodyear RV tires have had good ratings. it sux when that happens. had a tire go on my 3 axle 5th wheel. I have been lucky with warranties as I have been able to find shops that will warrintie the tires by manufacturer not the shop. wish him good luck and safe travels.
Really never China tires... although thank god and luck that nothing serious happened and what's left is just a bittersweet memory. Keep safe and happy camping :D
I just learned my lesson. I had 2 blowouts thirty miles apart last month. Now I have another tire with a broken belt. I check the pressure every time I hook my trailer and feel for heat every time I stop. Yep trailer king from China.
Good choice. I've been using Hercules tires for a couple years now. I have nothing but praise for them.
great to hear that
Thank you Adam I always enjoy watching your videos I am from South Africa 🇿🇦
Since you didn't say it, I'm guessing that the wheel/axle alignment and brake/wheel bearings are all good and not generating excess heat as well as speed. I see these trailers going way to fast on the highway all the time. I would look at weight distribution, tank locations etc. I was in PA last week and saw one of these trailers flipped on it's side. Looked like the trailer was passing a semi in the fast lane and lost it. Came right across the slow lane and flipped. Semi T boned it and pushed the truck off the road into the ditch. Popped open like a can...Be safe!
Wow that's really something, Michelin Tyres at least in the UK are some of the best tyres you can buy, I use them on the motorcycle and the car, I never knew they were manufactured in China, time to reconsider my tyre purchases in future, my goodness you buy the best for peace of mind and that happens. For sure I wouldn't use that tyre garage anymore. Crappy tyres, dodgy valve stems urrrgh what a nightmare on such a big rig, glad nobody was injured and the damage was superficial. Love your adventures, you both are great 🤗
The tires he had were not Michelin, they are called hi run. I've seen alot of them and never any problems, he just had some bad luck.
Oh I never saw they weren't Michelin, that gives me some comfort. Michelin tyres are expensive to.
@@jimjones4345 He saying Michelin brand, in the beginning of the video 2:14 That´s why we from European react because Michelin is good stuff.
Never saw a good review about Mavis
In my experience China tires are bad but Thailand tires are very good (Falken). I have had good Vietnam tires also (Hankook).
@jacktheripped Hankook is a Korean company and Falken is Japanese.. But they are making some tires in other countries.
Falken is good. The great thing about Ohtsu is that most of them are the previous version of a Falken tire. They cost very little but are okay.
Check the manufacture's date code on the tire side wall. It is very possible to have "new old stock". I once had an RV with 16.5" rims and the warehouse had a set of 6 tires that would fit. The only problem is that the tires had been sitting in the Warehouse for 4 years. Obviously I did not buy them.
Svend Holme good point. A lot of people don't know that trailer tires are supposed to be replaced every 5 years or so irregardless of outward appearance.
Wow so much tyre problems thanks for the video, just love your adventures
I’m about to buy 4 new tires on my RV trailer. Thanks for the info
Tire must have thrown a radial belt. I believe tires have a manufactured date on the sidewall. Possible tire that sat in warehouse for a long time where radial band builds a out of round memory.
If money was no object, GOODYEAR G614 RST's bought from a Goodyear Gemini with extended warranty. Replacement at any Gemini across the country. Also weigh the trailer at a truck scale (when it's fully loaded with camping gear inside), then calculate the PSI per Goodyear's load recommendation.
Hi Adam we got to meet your mother and Fernando at the Ragan Family Campground this week !! Keep up the great videos!!
I heard she met someone who watches my videos. Very cool 😎👍🏻
Hey Adam I bought a set of Good Year Endurance and I only got 40,000 Miles out of them. I hope you have better luck with them.
Abom you are such an awesome guy. Thanks for the vids
I'll bet that the right side of that camper is facing south (Sun side) when parked long term. And it sounds to me like the original installer of the China tires didn't install new valve stems, which were cooked/cracked by the Sun. Maybe think about going with metal bolt in valve stems when you need high ply tires, it being the weak link in your 14 ply chain there.
There is no excuse for the speed at which the china bombs age. I have a set of good year commercial tires on a spray rig that are 30 years old. Hold air and are not weather checked yet and are baked in the Louisiana sun.
Shame, any real tire place puts new stems on with new tires for this exact reason. Awesome upgrade to all metal stems! Unfortunately you need to do your research about tire brands not take the word of a tire shop
Mitchelin tyres are made in my home town of stoke on trent, England ! Extremely reputable company with both domestic, sport and industrial tyres !
Been there done that on I65 with 2 horses in my trailer, bough a spare and 100 miles later another China home blow! No more China homes for me! Steve was lucky that it didn’t takeout all his plumbing!
Report the tires to DOT. Enough complaints, they will force a recall, and pull all of them off the road.
um did they put new valve stems on rims with the new tires??
I had problems where my aluminium rims developed cracks in them and eventually had a series of good american made tires blow out. Check those rims.
Our 28-foot fifth-wheel tandem axel work rig runs heavy at all times(right around 16 ton) and runs on Carlise only and we have never experienced a problem of any kind.
I never had good luck with trailer rated tires, I started using 10 ply light truck tires and rarely ever had a flat and no blow outs
I have used Hercules Tires in the 70's and have a set on now and no problems. I will buy another set.
metal stems might be alright with the sensors-- dont know
Hey Adam was wondering if the axle may be cocked after the parking episode and is causing undue stress on the tires? Also, welcome to Clearwater!!!
On the subject of travel trailer tires, my question is should they be balanced like car tires? I get different answers from alot of people.
All on road tires should be balanced
Neh you don't have to balance em, but what you could do is throw in a ounce of lead pellets and centrifugal force will balance em out for cheap. I personally wouldn't bother
Nylon stems are never good. Too brittle. The extra weight of the monitor caps exacerbates the problem. Had my share of problems with steel stems also. All the flex is concentrated at the rubber seat in the rim. We folks in Alaska use rubber stems with good luck. I run many trips a year over the haul road, generally badly overloaded, without much trouble. I always carry an infrared gun to check tire temp.
Need to check dot #s see how old tires are some tire shops have tires 8 to 10 years old still sell them
Sell them to someone that have a marina or something to use as boat buffers. That's all that they are good for. Or a swing for kids.
My fifth wheel weighs over 14000 pounds. It has a U.S. brand, load range G tire (14 ply).. air pressure in them is 110 psi. They aint cheap but, I’ve had zero problems with them. As the commercial said, you can pay me now or you can pay me more later. Tires, like brakes is not an item to go cheep on.
That Hercules 902 is a very good tire that Adam has
I just got new tires for my car a month ago. I did quite a bit of research to be confident in my choice. Am I the only one who does that?
If you don't check around and more or less buy blindly, at the very least you're just tossing dice for your selection.
The valve stems are normally changed with a set of tires?
Sounds like that supplier is a problem.
Your spare tire mountings are great, well designed and top quality.
How about an alignment rod that you set the wheel center hole on the rod, and then slide it back, line up the bolt holes and secure the wheel on the rack...
Also, the old tires may have been OLD, and you can look around the inside the tire for the manufacture date... They age, sitting on the tire rack.
I have been an Abom79 subscriber for a few years. I have just discovered his second channel today.
Hard to believe the "Chao Yang Long March Tyre Co. LTD" would make a bad product. (That's sarcasm...)
Along with Yuu em Screwem brand !!!🤣
“You picked a fine time to leave me, loose wheel”....( I’ll just see myself out)...
😂🤣
Our company bough 3 new trailer s ,an all 3 have China tires. All 3 trailers have had blowouts with only one being replaced. The company has no warranty on the other 11 tires.
I've been running Sailun tires on my 13,500 lbs fifth wheel for 8 years. Just replaced them with the same tire due to age, not due to wear.
Pyrolysis? Tire shop mounted the tire on the rim with a can of butane?
I have to replace tired on my 16foot enclosed trailer. I don’t know much about brands. What are some good brands for my trailer? It’s 5 lug. Right now it had some called haul king.
Honestly, just look for some E-rated truck tires. There are a lot of good options, including "commercial" rated, that aren't much more that $10-20 a tire more.
Otherwise, good...not China bomb.... Trailer tires are like $200+
I just replaced a tire on my 5 ton dual axle trailer with a Goodyear Endurance tire. $120 shipped