After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
True story - a few friends and I went to a hog lease in Florida. One of the guys was using an H&R single shot rifle in .223 cal. He brought the wrong ammo with him - Winchester white box 55 grain FMJ. He found this out while we were in the blind. I advised him to aim for the shoulder and make sure it is an accurate shot. The bullet hit the hog's shoulder, tumbled and caused massive destruction. The hog took a few steps and fell over dead. The guy who skinned and cut up the hog for us was amazed that a small FMJ bullet could do so much damage.
I use 77gr match ammo and they absolutely work great. I have shot through the shoulder, strait on, neck and broadside. All have worked perfectly. In fact strait on shot exited and took out 4 ribs with it. In all the vitals shots the lungs where turned to jelly. 223 is my preferred deer hunting round. There’s something enjoyable about taking deer with a round that just seems so perfectly efficient for the task.
@@bojack2740 where I hunt I’ve only shot deer out to 100 yds. I’d be perfectly comfortable with 300 yards but that might just be too far. According to the ballistic data and with a range finder/ballistic calculator it should do fine.
@Lucas Hornbrook good stuff man, I run 77s in my ar all the time but have never hunted with it.... what brand ammo do you normally use when you hunt with 77s? Also what barrel length are you runnin?
@@tylertapp131 hey man I've printed 12 different ammo variants and by far my favorite was the Norma precision 77 gr. I did a 0.3" group out of my savage AR. It shot the highest velocity of any round and did the best groups. This is with a 1/8" twist. But you can expect to see differences in any barrel? though really that makes no sense to me lol but twist definitely affects it. I'd give the berger website a check if your twist is different just to get in the ballpark.
Hey man I just want to leave my 2 cent! Your video is actually really great! You don’t waste time your to the point and have really good info and facts! Really good videos man!
It all comes down to ammo selection. I use 62 grain remington hypersonic out of a 16 inch barrel. I actually chronographed it, the bullet is advertised to shoot at 3200 fps but out of mine its at 2940 fps. I have harvested a 200 lb whitetail with that combo.
I had good success with some handloads with 70gr speer semi spitzers and it does great pushing 2900fps great expansion on big boars 250-300# makes it through the sheild and gets caught on the hide on opposite shoulder or passes through! So I have no issues feeling ok using it for deer this season! If it will get that kind of penetration on a large boar it will do better on a deer!
I use Hornady 55 grain v max for predator hunting and just used the same this hunting season for deer. I Shot 2 doe with headshot. And a front brisket shot blew the heart up. My son also used my 223 ruger American ranch he shot a doe at 125 yards she ran 40 yards before dying. Then I also shot a doe at 250 yards and she didn't go 20. V max is the way to go. IMHO
People always tell me not to use vmax as self defense rounds in my .223 what kind of penetration are you seeing with them and do you think you would trust your life to them
@@noname2427 they penetrate alright when the target is at a good distance. Even with short pdw’s that get horrible penetration at home defense distances .
I've hunted deer with a .223 for 15+ years. Every doe I shoot has been a head shot, I've had no issues making heart shots with good Bonded bullets. As far as hogs, I use a .22 mag most of the time, it's all shot placement.
My uncle has killed more deer than GOD ever made with a simple single shot 22 lR....yes it all about shot placement. Personally I use a .308 because I want a humane kill and I don't like tracking dying and bleeding deer. My deer stop within 20 yards. The best round for hunting deer in my opinion is a 150 grain broadhead arrow. It looks like they have been shot with a 12 gauge.
Went 5 for 5 last yr on deer here in Oklahoma using a 72 gr bthp including a nice 8 pt at 156 yds and a doe at 202 yds all but one dropped within 35 yards one at 202 went about 60 yards the haters can talk all the trash they want the proof is in the pudding!!
SKS with Bushnell scope. 7.62x39 Hornady SST. Took many large deer, bucks . Last one at 230 yards. Penetration was never an issue. You can have a 338 Lapua but if you shoot the leg it won’t help you. I don’t see why 5.56 won’t behave the same.
One of my biggest deer was with a 10.5in 5.56 quartering to me in the front shoulder and exit out behind the other at 80yrds with fort Scott 62gr TUI solid brass rounds they tumble upon impact and do some serious damage I was surprised at the wound channel and I use them for the exit wounds and penetration to get good blood trails I would never use a hollow point in 5.56 I'd rather a fmj. Edit forgot to mention the big 200lb 4 1/2yo 6pt only made it 40yrds before piling up
It's all I have ever used , 20+ years deer and hog in central tx. Go 1/7 twist and throw them heavy pills In 68gr+. Little brother took a trophy mule deer with a 16in Ar and 55gr soft point in the Canadian river valley in texas panhandle. It's not the size of the bullet, its were you put it. My old man used to pop white tail of the back deck with a ruger 10/22 to the eye.
I went hunting at Meredith and have seen a couple mile deer bucks, and one really nice whitetail buck, but mostly I just see mule deer does!!! I've never even seen a whitetail doe in a legal area out there during season.
@@twincam103 ya…..you gotta have at minimum a 50 bmg…..I mean seriously, that whitetail armor is like shooting a panzer tank with a BB gun. I’d say the “right” way to hunt them is with an rpg really. It’s the ethical way. They cannot be stopped otherwise. This isn’t my opinion by the way, this is documented fact. I would never give my ridiculous opinion, I only give facts, and I KNOW what’s best. You simply cannot use a 223 for deer. It’s not possible. The bullet is too small, it doesn’t have enough energy, it doesn’t look like it will work, it gets flat tires on its way to the target,I read somewhere that you shouldn’t, and I believed it! So there! It isn’t possible!
@@rexmontana3058 I exclusively hunt small game with a 20mm anti tank rifle. For deer and larger, I bring a howitzer up into my tree stand. Dangerous game, I rent a military drone and call in targeted strikes with hellfire missles.
People that say 223/556 isn't effective for hunting don't understand ballistics. I wouldn't ever recommend using FMJ. I think you should have gone into more info on the soft point. The soft point you picked behaved that way, but what any something like a barnes or Hornady cx monolithic bullet? Deeper penetration, later expansion, but and massive weight retention. You don't even need a mono bullet to do that though. Hornadys American whitetail has a jacket and interlock designed to have a similar effect. The moral of the story that bullets have gotten high tech and impressive so you gotta do some research and pick the right tool for the job.
Just killed 6 hogs today in Oklahoma With a ruger mini 14 55gr .223 only 1 shot each all the hog behind the ear and I aim for the ear hole straight to the brain drop like dropping acorn from trees .. I shot a smaller hog 50lbs hog with a armpit shot it ran 25 yards and collapse through and through from about 45 yard
@@GunTradition it works .. I said. 223 and 7.62x39 are perfect for whitetail deer and mule deer to wild pig of but I wouldn't shoot pass 50 yard with .223 but the round works..
The case is capable of so much more than it accomplishes in it's .224 guise. The most efficient wildcat I've seen to date is the 6.8 Badger, which is pushing 100gr at 2850fps from 20" barrels. With those pills you can take any shot you'd take with a .308-family cartridge.
i'll be testing Nosler 55gr ET on whitetail this yr. (hope they work ok as the grand kid love shooting em.max distance ~50yds. hoping the solid base might push on through.
Good stuff, my go to is a Winchester silvertip 64 grain 223. Seems to work pretty good, first deer i shot with it was with my 13.7, she might of ran 20 yards and fell over. Really good blood but it was a neck shot, ive typically always been a fan of neck shots or high chest. Seems to always pin them in place for the most part. Ive shot deer with a bunch of heavy hitters such as 12 guage, 300 blackout 3030, 3006, 308, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 450 bushmaster and 50 Beowulf, just to name a few. They all work if you do your part, personally here the last couple years, ive really started to enjoy 223 for hunting, so much lighter, so much most cost effective and really cool suppressed. Seems to work great, ive killed coyotes, beavers and deer with it, liked it so much i ended up liquidating a bunch of my other odd ball caliber huntings rifles and stocked more ammo for 223/556.
Never hunting with a .556 but .223 is amazing within like 100 yards for deer I shot my first deer with a .223 and it dropped instantly and I’ve shot a deer with a 30-06 at maybe 150 yards and I never saw the deer again lots of blood but never found it
556 and 223 are the same caliber the only difference is the 556 has a higher pressure. And if the barrel of the AR ses 5.56by45 NATO you can shoot both rounds out of it. But that's not what I was saying, I was just saying there the same caliber because they are.
@@trkjivdlopmd hello friend, I have some family friend in Waldron. That's my usual, when I feel like hunting. But I do travels few areas, out towards Russellville being one of them but a bit further for me.
With softpiont I would still take a hart shot. With the 1/12 it limits you to HOW LONG a bullet will stabilize. The Barns are light but longer for weight.
Soft tip at 50-100yards. Only had one big buck run and it was only 30 yards. No exit because it got caught in the rib on the other side. But yeah 4 deer, 4 rounds. Can confirm
I always go for a heart shot on deer with my 223 . No problems yet . Usually destroys the heart . I use vmax . I dont usually take shots past 200 yards with 223 . I think the longest was 220 . Wolf or coyote hunting , I take longer shots .
I'm just an average Joe.... but, I'd like to know what to stock up on for SHTF.... I'd love to see a video that compares (3) barrel lengths (10.5, 16" and 18") shooting at 200 yards with 55gr fmj, 77gr otm, and 62 soft point.. It'd be nice to see what each barrel length would do at each target with each ammo.... targets would be ham shoulders.
I can tell you that the soft points will perform better than other options at lower velocities. A 10.5 inch barrel will not get enough velocity for a varmint style soft point to function. You will find no functional difference between a 16 and 18 inch barrel in terms of wound cavity creation with any ammo option. At 200 yards, a 16 or 18 will lack enough velocity for an fmj style bullet to cause much cavitation and you will see little bullet fragmentation. At 200 or greater, I would go with a heavy bullet, or a soft point. The heavier, longer bullets are less stable and cause more tissue damage when they tumble. The soft point will either fragment or expand at 300 or more yards, depending on the specific bullet used.
Why are so many people saying they only use for varmints, coyote or that size? They use them in war for craps sake! If the .223 can take down a 350# hog or deer, why do they say varmint rifle?
I admit I didnt watch every second of your video, so I may have missed it. I dont know the rules in every state, but I do know that its usually illegal to hunt with ball (FMJ) ammo, at least in the several states that Ive hunted in. Just my two cents.
I have absolutely not a doubt in mind a .223 soft point makes short work of a deer. Im not using it because on lung shots the will absolutely run for a bit as they would with bigger calibers howerver they are much harder to track. The entry hole hardly ever bleeds much ive found generally and even much less from a .223. And the exit hole is often not existend or the bullet came out so slow the hole just closed right back up behind the bullet. .223 is just really hard to track plus there are no real advantages compared to other calibers exept low recoil perhaps.
.223 absolutely will drop a deer! I’ve shot both deer and men with 5.56. It WILL break big bones. It’s funny how the same guys that criticize or call .223/5.56 “unethical” are the same guys just FINE with bow hunting! Tracking or waiting many agonizing HOURS to recover a deer they shot! It’s illegal to hunt with FMJ, in my state anyway. A 75-77 grain soft point is DEVASTATING. I had a bad experience this past season with my hillbilly neighbor’s loose dog jumping a deer I had sighted in! It jumped the instant I pulled the trigger and I hit it far back. After seriously debating shooting the damn dog, I watch the deer get up and start hobbling along 50-75 yards and laying down again. I debated waiting it out for a 6-8 hour gut shot but decided to creep up and see. Thankfully I decided to take the shot at 200-250 yds and a neck shot finished him. So glad I did! Cuz it was NOT gut shot, I hit the left hind quarter! When I butchered him, the bullet SHATTERED the femur! Broke and passed thru the PELVIS and still exited the right hind quarter! So nobody can say that a .223 doesn’t have the power to take large game! The only thing immune to the 5.56 was methed out “Skinnies”! Also known as Somalis. They were so damn small and skinny the fast moving 5.56 zipped right thru. Aside from a central nervous system hit, it just ice picked em to death!
That’s m855 for ya which will still cut a larger wound cavity than any arrow . But I love classics and let me tell you M193 out of a 20 inch 1/12 at 40 yards is phenomenal.
That ham test showed how devastating that round is and the difference in bullet type...I would pick FMJ for hogs and SP for deer...Where I hunt I would have to use soft point for the hog also by law. Double lung or base of the neck/backbone 50 yrds in would definatly be my shot choices.
The real issue with 223 soft point bullets is that they are not bonded, or delayed expansion bullets. Those Hornady SP bullets are sold as varmint rounds. They do penetrate way more than modern varmint rounds, but are designed to fragment rapidly uo too 500 yards or so. Barmes had an all copper, delayed expansion hollow point 223 bullet that Remington loads. It's designed for deer.
Looking at a 5.56 bolt gun as I am in my 60s and have a really bad back. I have a question and it may be in bad taste, why is the 5.56 considered a small game round when tens of thousands of men have fallen to the round in war? I can no longer handle a lot of recoil and want a gun for deer and varmints (50 to 200 yards). Thanks
Because it's much smaller than the traditional 30-06. It looks small, and the traditional rounds were all fmj or frangible soft point until recently. The father of the 223/5.56, the 222 Remington, was marketed as a varmint rifle with 40-grain bullets. That's also part of what gave it a bad name. If you use quality modern bullets, the 223 is a death ray. I'd go with .223 for a bolt gun, because the chamber specs tend to create a bit more accuracy. Look for Winchester Deer Season XP or Hornady GMX ammo.
After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
True story - a few friends and I went to a hog lease in Florida. One of the guys was using an H&R single shot rifle in .223 cal. He brought the wrong ammo with him - Winchester white box 55 grain FMJ. He found this out while we were in the blind. I advised him to aim for the shoulder and make sure it is an accurate shot. The bullet hit the hog's shoulder, tumbled and caused massive destruction. The hog took a few steps and fell over dead. The guy who skinned and cut up the hog for us was amazed that a small FMJ bullet could do so much damage.
I use 77gr match ammo and they absolutely work great. I have shot through the shoulder, strait on, neck and broadside. All have worked perfectly. In fact strait on shot exited and took out 4 ribs with it. In all the vitals shots the lungs where turned to jelly. 223 is my preferred deer hunting round. There’s something enjoyable about taking deer with a round that just seems so perfectly efficient for the task.
Thanks for sharing that. I started to doubt mine due to some negative comments. At what distance are you most suscessful?
@@bojack2740 where I hunt I’ve only shot deer out to 100 yds. I’d be perfectly comfortable with 300 yards but that might just be too far. According to the ballistic data and with a range finder/ballistic calculator it should do fine.
@@lucashornbrook78 ok thanks
@Lucas Hornbrook good stuff man, I run 77s in my ar all the time but have never hunted with it.... what brand ammo do you normally use when you hunt with 77s? Also what barrel length are you runnin?
@@tylertapp131 hey man I've printed 12 different ammo variants and by far my favorite was the Norma precision 77 gr. I did a 0.3" group out of my savage AR. It shot the highest velocity of any round and did the best groups. This is with a 1/8" twist. But you can expect to see differences in any barrel? though really that makes no sense to me lol but twist definitely affects it. I'd give the berger website a check if your twist is different just to get in the ballpark.
Hey man I just want to leave my 2 cent! Your video is actually really great! You don’t waste time your to the point and have really good info and facts! Really good videos man!
Thanks. When I get my website moving, I will get back to making videos weekly.
Facts
The 70gr TSX in 5.56 changes everything.
Inside 100 yards deadly for me !
.223 been taking out deer for decades. You don't need a cannon for deer unless you ain't got nothing else to do.
It all comes down to ammo selection. I use 62 grain remington hypersonic out of a 16 inch barrel. I actually chronographed it, the bullet is advertised to shoot at 3200 fps but out of mine its at 2940 fps.
I have harvested a 200 lb whitetail with that combo.
Yes, there a a few bullets that would be alright. Most of them would not. Definitely doable with good shot placement and shot angle.
@Will Smith 40 yards
I had good success with some handloads with 70gr speer semi spitzers and it does great pushing 2900fps great expansion on big boars 250-300# makes it through the sheild and gets caught on the hide on opposite shoulder or passes through! So I have no issues feeling ok using it for deer this season! If it will get that kind of penetration on a large boar it will do better on a deer!
3200 fps out of a 20inch barrell.
@@highsecurityagent8778 I have a 20 inch AUG for that
Thank you for your thoughts and demonstration. This is useful for making a determination on using .223/5.56 ammunition for hunting.
Tanks for watching!
I use Hornady 55 grain v max for predator hunting and just used the same this hunting season for deer. I Shot 2 doe with headshot. And a front brisket shot blew the heart up. My son also used my 223 ruger American ranch he shot a doe at 125 yards she ran 40 yards before dying. Then I also shot a doe at 250 yards and she didn't go 20. V max is the way to go. IMHO
People always tell me not to use vmax as self defense rounds in my .223 what kind of penetration are you seeing with them and do you think you would trust your life to them
@@noname2427 they penetrate alright when the target is at a good distance. Even with short pdw’s that get horrible penetration at home defense distances .
I've hunted deer with a .223 for 15+ years. Every doe I shoot has been a head shot, I've had no issues making heart shots with good Bonded bullets.
As far as hogs, I use a .22 mag most of the time, it's all shot placement.
My uncle has killed more deer than GOD ever made with a simple single shot 22 lR....yes it all about shot placement. Personally I use a .308 because I want a humane kill and I don't like tracking dying and bleeding deer. My deer stop within 20 yards. The best round for hunting deer in my opinion is a 150 grain broadhead arrow. It looks like they have been shot with a 12 gauge.
keep in mind in some places in order to tag a deer the head mustnt be damaged.
Went 5 for 5 last yr on deer here in Oklahoma using a 72 gr bthp including a nice 8 pt at 156 yds and a doe at 202 yds all but one dropped within 35 yards one at 202 went about 60 yards the haters can talk all the trash they want the proof is in the pudding!!
SKS with Bushnell scope. 7.62x39 Hornady SST. Took many large deer, bucks . Last one at 230 yards. Penetration was never an issue. You can have a 338 Lapua but if you shoot the leg it won’t help you. I don’t see why 5.56 won’t behave the same.
You are doing a great job dude! I've learned so much from your vids. I hope you keep them going. Thank You very, very much!
Thanks, I appreciate it! I''m filming a new batch of videos over the next 10 days. What type of content would you like to see going forward?
One of my biggest deer was with a 10.5in 5.56 quartering to me in the front shoulder and exit out behind the other at 80yrds with fort Scott 62gr TUI solid brass rounds they tumble upon impact and do some serious damage I was surprised at the wound channel and I use them for the exit wounds and penetration to get good blood trails I would never use a hollow point in 5.56 I'd rather a fmj. Edit forgot to mention the big 200lb 4 1/2yo 6pt only made it 40yrds before piling up
It's all I have ever used , 20+ years deer and hog in central tx. Go 1/7 twist and throw them heavy pills In 68gr+. Little brother took a trophy mule deer with a 16in Ar and 55gr soft point in the Canadian river valley in texas panhandle. It's not the size of the bullet, its were you put it. My old man used to pop white tail of the back deck with a ruger 10/22 to the eye.
How far was the shot?
I went hunting at Meredith and have seen a couple mile deer bucks, and one really nice whitetail buck, but mostly I just see mule deer does!!! I've never even seen a whitetail doe in a legal area out there during season.
Use a 62gr to 70gr Barnes X or Hornady GMX. I have shot multiple deer through the shoulder and gotten complete penetration each time.
I've been looking for those for months. Can't seem to find them anywhere.
Seriously me too so hard to find
@Will Smith ok boomer
@@twincam103 ya…..you gotta have at minimum a 50 bmg…..I mean seriously, that whitetail armor is like shooting a panzer tank with a BB gun. I’d say the “right” way to hunt them is with an rpg really. It’s the ethical way. They cannot be stopped otherwise. This isn’t my opinion by the way, this is documented fact. I would never give my ridiculous opinion, I only give facts, and I KNOW what’s best. You simply cannot use a 223 for deer. It’s not possible. The bullet is too small, it doesn’t have enough energy, it doesn’t look like it will work, it gets flat tires on its way to the target,I read somewhere that you shouldn’t, and I believed it! So there! It isn’t possible!
@@rexmontana3058 I exclusively hunt small game with a 20mm anti tank rifle. For deer and larger, I bring a howitzer up into my tree stand. Dangerous game, I rent a military drone and call in targeted strikes with hellfire missles.
77 otm works pretty well for me on deers and even big hogs ..... all Shoulder/neck shots... inside 150 yards with a 14,5 inch AR
Yep same here!
People that say 223/556 isn't effective for hunting don't understand ballistics. I wouldn't ever recommend using FMJ. I think you should have gone into more info on the soft point. The soft point you picked behaved that way, but what any something like a barnes or Hornady cx monolithic bullet? Deeper penetration, later expansion, but and massive weight retention. You don't even need a mono bullet to do that though. Hornadys American whitetail has a jacket and interlock designed to have a similar effect. The moral of the story that bullets have gotten high tech and impressive so you gotta do some research and pick the right tool for the job.
Just killed 6 hogs today in Oklahoma
With a ruger mini 14 55gr .223 only 1 shot each all the hog behind the ear and I aim for the ear hole straight to the brain drop like dropping acorn from trees .. I shot a smaller hog 50lbs hog with a armpit shot it ran 25 yards and collapse through and through from about 45 yard
Seems to work eh?
@@GunTradition it works ..
I said. 223 and 7.62x39 are perfect for whitetail deer and mule deer to wild pig of but I wouldn't shoot pass 50 yard with .223 but the round works..
I’ve used 223 full metal jacket for deer for 15 years, heart and lung shots both, no problems what so ever.
BS illegal for deer hunting in all states
@@robertdahle7216
Bullshit! Check your facts bud!!
Works on a human it will work on a deer
best shot is a headshot - period
yeah you dont always get that and hogs are hit as many as you can once they start running
The Barnes TSX 5.56mm is a copper bullet and expanded to a 10 mm copper piece keeping together.
Should be good for a lung shot on any deer.
The case is capable of so much more than it accomplishes in it's .224 guise. The most efficient wildcat I've seen to date is the 6.8 Badger, which is pushing 100gr at 2850fps from 20" barrels. With those pills you can take any shot you'd take with a .308-family cartridge.
So 6.8 Badger over 6.5 Creedmoor?
@@QueOndaWhey is go 6mm creed more and run eldm’s
I used 55grn Barnes TSX out of my ar15 at 25yrds straight on shot double tap.deer ran 20yrds.complete jelly inside.
556 70 grain Barnes tsx 💪🏼💪🏼
I like the ttsx bullet better. It opens easier.
@@Wildwestwrangler Good round but I don’t think they make that one for the 556!
@@wesleym7927 they do now.
Just curious: how long has your family been in the States? You have a Civil War era face. That's not meant to be an insult. Great video, btw!
If you learn to shoot you can take down anything
very informative video. thanks!
Deer and Hogs are not large game 22 mag would do that
Right I wanna see this against brown bear/grizzly or moose
i'll be testing Nosler 55gr ET on whitetail this yr. (hope they work ok as the grand kid love shooting em.max distance ~50yds. hoping the solid base might push on through.
Tell us how it turns out.
Shot placement and bullet construction are the most important factors. Minimum barrel length is 16”. Don’t cheap out buy quality ammo!
BARNES VOR-TX 223 REM 55 GR TSX 100 yards lights out
Very good info 👌
5 star video
6 people in Venezuela felt sorry for the way that ham was dispatched
And one ol’ boy in Alabama is crying for the lost ham. 😂
:59 they do excellent on ear and temple shots for b bear and moose , I’ve never done it , but i know people who do it every year
I've heard the same.
Good stuff, my go to is a Winchester silvertip 64 grain 223. Seems to work pretty good, first deer i shot with it was with my 13.7, she might of ran 20 yards and fell over. Really good blood but it was a neck shot, ive typically always been a fan of neck shots or high chest. Seems to always pin them in place for the most part. Ive shot deer with a bunch of heavy hitters such as 12 guage, 300 blackout 3030, 3006, 308, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, 450 bushmaster and 50 Beowulf, just to name a few. They all work if you do your part, personally here the last couple years, ive really started to enjoy 223 for hunting, so much lighter, so much most cost effective and really cool suppressed. Seems to work great, ive killed coyotes, beavers and deer with it, liked it so much i ended up liquidating a bunch of my other odd ball caliber huntings rifles and stocked more ammo for 223/556.
Just one thing to consider, you shot ham, where is the fur? Fat boar's fur makes a big difference in bullet penetration...
TAC @ 26.0
70gr TSX
LC brass and CCI 41
Caribou in Alaska M4 carbine 1:7
Now time for a ham sandwich! Nice vid!!
Were not allowed to hunt Anything with fmj ammo in Kentucky. HP ballistic tip only. Here Kentucky
Michigan used to not allow hunting with fmj, but that's changed.
Never hunting with a .556 but .223 is amazing within like 100 yards for deer I shot my first deer with a .223 and it dropped instantly and I’ve shot a deer with a 30-06 at maybe 150 yards and I never saw the deer again lots of blood but never found it
556 and 223 are the same caliber
@@elitepestcontrol3911 go shoot a 5.56 cartridge out of a .223😂 no they not
556 and 223 are the same caliber the only difference is the 556 has a higher pressure. And if the barrel of the AR ses 5.56by45 NATO you can shoot both rounds out of it. But that's not what I was saying, I was just saying there the same caliber because they are.
@@BrandenuzisDone it many times you don't know what the hell you're talking about like.Most people that say that stupid shit that you can't do it
I'm a Michigan man myself. your content is great!!!
Heck I took down a deer right in the head with a fk 22lr at 120 yd. Bullet drop like 2 ft
Nice shooting!
I drop a deer at 20 yard with a .22lr also!
Ruger 10 22 but I shot the Young buck in the ear hole straight through...
Check the 223 gel tests at Mason leather
Big Hogs broad side center of the neck.. they hit the ground hard
When I go hog hunting in Arkansas, I use 223. Works just fine.
Greetings From Russellville. Where are you hunting them?
@@trkjivdlopmd hello friend, I have some family friend in Waldron. That's my usual, when I feel like hunting. But I do travels few areas, out towards Russellville being one of them but a bit further for me.
With softpiont I would still take a hart shot. With the 1/12 it limits you to HOW LONG a bullet will stabilize. The Barns are light but longer for weight.
I prefer a lung shot just to try and stay away from the shoulder. Especially with a small caliber.
Soft tip at 50-100yards. Only had one big buck run and it was only 30 yards. No exit because it got caught in the rib on the other side.
But yeah 4 deer, 4 rounds. Can confirm
It works.
Nice demonstration and explanation, thanks! Please share thoughts about the solids - like Barnes, GMX, etc.?
I love what I've seen of them. If I could just get my hands on them, I probably use them.
Here in Wisconsin use of FMJ ammo is illegal for hunting in all calibers.
It used to be here, but I guess they dropped that rule at some point.
Shot placement remember the 22 lr has killed more game.
I always go for a heart shot on deer with my 223 . No problems yet . Usually destroys the heart . I use vmax .
I dont usually take shots past 200 yards with 223 . I think the longest was 220 .
Wolf or coyote hunting , I take longer shots .
I'm glad to see you proving the critics wrong about a great little round
Me and my neighbor are hunting northern whitetail with a .223.
I'm just an average Joe.... but, I'd like to know what to stock up on for SHTF.... I'd love to see a video that compares (3) barrel lengths (10.5, 16" and 18") shooting at 200 yards with 55gr fmj, 77gr otm, and 62 soft point..
It'd be nice to see what each barrel length would do at each target with each ammo.... targets would be ham shoulders.
I can tell you that the soft points will perform better than other options at lower velocities. A 10.5 inch barrel will not get enough velocity for a varmint style soft point to function. You will find no functional difference between a 16 and 18 inch barrel in terms of wound cavity creation with any ammo option. At 200 yards, a 16 or 18 will lack enough velocity for an fmj style bullet to cause much cavitation and you will see little bullet fragmentation. At 200 or greater, I would go with a heavy bullet, or a soft point. The heavier, longer bullets are less stable and cause more tissue damage when they tumble. The soft point will either fragment or expand at 300 or more yards, depending on the specific bullet used.
@GunTradition what's the max effective range of the 10.5 with 55gr fmj??
Love my fusion 62 grn outta my 16in.
What rate of twist is your barrel?
1/7
Actually have a 1/9 that shoot it real well also
Any caliber should be used as you say. I good clean double lung.
Sometimes you just gotta use what you have.
5.56 will drop a man at four hundred yards it will bag a deer ... done both
Deer are a tad more resilient
Awesome video getting into the 556 from Indiana newbie
Too bad we can only use .243 cal or larger rifle rounds only on private for deer, legally.
We drive deer so most of our shots are at running deer.. I’m reluctant to use such a small round..
I took an 8 point this last season with .223 soft point. At around 90 yards, it didnt drop it but it did enough internal damage as it ran.
So you got him?
@@bojack2740 Yes. I should have clarified. It went about 100 yards and collapsed.
@@necrovarius225 ok thanks
Some of us a forced to buy cheaper options.How about a gel test on the Armscor .223 62gr sps round?Thanks in advance.
Useful stuff, well presented. Thanks
Sure thing!
Why are so many people saying they only use for varmints, coyote or that size? They use them in war for craps sake! If the .223 can take down a 350# hog or deer, why do they say varmint rifle?
Because bullets weren't as good in the past.
I know you still made yourself a ham sandwich after the video didn't you? I know I would. lol
Where did you get your butt stock from brother?
Came with the rifle. It's just a basic A2 stock with spray paint.
I was stalk hunting a hog and I broke the shoulder with hollow point 223 fiochi just saying personal experience
I didn’t just subscribe because it was a pretty cool and informative video… I was thinking about how much those hams cost the whole time
Me too.
Anyone else thinking about a hot ham n cheese sandwich? Hahaha
60 gr Nosler Partitions, I handload them but there is factory loaded ammo.
I just got an ar 15 and that helped me alot thank you so much
Check out my recent Video on 223 for deer hunting. I tested out specific hunting ammo.
That wound channel looks delicious!
A bif of a metallic flavor though.
I admit I didnt watch every second of your video, so I may have missed it. I dont know the rules in every state, but I do know that its usually illegal to hunt with ball (FMJ) ammo, at least in the several states that Ive hunted in. Just my two cents.
I have big hands so yes, the grip is small. Thankfully the recoil still isn't an issue.
how does 62 green tip do in heavy bone?
Thoughts on the 60 grain copper 223 bullets?
The all-copper bullets expand well and penetrate nearly twice as much as standard bullets. They are awesome!
@@GunTradition right on! I have a box of SIG copper 223 im gonna try out this season in northeast mn
Pretty good video except i take deer at 250 to 300 yrds easy.more often than not they never move.
I have absolutely not a doubt in mind a .223 soft point makes short work of a deer. Im not using it because on lung shots the will absolutely run for a bit as they would with bigger calibers howerver they are much harder to track. The entry hole hardly ever bleeds much ive found generally and even much less from a .223. And the exit hole is often not existend or the bullet came out so slow the hole just closed right back up behind the bullet. .223 is just really hard to track plus there are no real advantages compared to other calibers exept low recoil perhaps.
That's true. It's really just the fact that if you have a 233, you could use it.
.223 absolutely will drop a deer! I’ve shot both deer and men with 5.56. It WILL break big bones. It’s funny how the same guys that criticize or call .223/5.56 “unethical” are the same guys just FINE with bow hunting! Tracking or waiting many agonizing HOURS to recover a deer they shot!
It’s illegal to hunt with FMJ, in my state anyway. A 75-77 grain soft point is DEVASTATING. I had a bad experience this past season with my hillbilly neighbor’s loose dog jumping a deer I had sighted in! It jumped the instant I pulled the trigger and I hit it far back. After seriously debating shooting the damn dog, I watch the deer get up and start hobbling along 50-75 yards and laying down again. I debated waiting it out for a 6-8 hour gut shot but decided to creep up and see. Thankfully I decided to take the shot at 200-250 yds and a neck shot finished him. So glad I did! Cuz it was NOT gut shot, I hit the left hind quarter! When I butchered him, the bullet SHATTERED the femur! Broke and passed thru the PELVIS and still exited the right hind quarter! So nobody can say that a .223 doesn’t have the power to take large game!
The only thing immune to the 5.56 was methed out “Skinnies”! Also known as Somalis. They were so damn small and skinny the fast moving 5.56 zipped right thru. Aside from a central nervous system hit, it just ice picked em to death!
That’s m855 for ya which will still cut a larger wound cavity than any arrow . But I love classics and let me tell you M193 out of a 20 inch 1/12 at 40 yards is phenomenal.
223 vs 22/250. What would you choice be
Think effective distance would increase with heavier bullets and a tighter twist (e.g. 1:7)?
Homie must got some damn food stamps the way he just buys hams to shoot smh
It has worked for many years. 243 as well. But it will have its limits.
Got a question to ask? , What length handguard is that on ur ar 15 ?
Is a soft point comparable to a v max? Is a v max a type of soft point?
V-max is a frangible, almost disintegrating bullet. It's much more drastically and more quickly broken up than any soft points you'll find.
I've seen videos from Alaska of first nation people using 5.56 Mini 14 taking caribou with head shots. Crazy. New sub.
I've got some serious respect for those people.
@@GunTradition i have no words . Respect and Tradition.
That ham test showed how devastating that round is and the difference in bullet type...I would pick FMJ for hogs and SP for deer...Where I hunt I would have to use soft point for the hog also by law. Double lung or base of the neck/backbone 50 yrds in would definatly be my shot choices.
The real issue with 223 soft point bullets is that they are not bonded, or delayed expansion bullets. Those Hornady SP bullets are sold as varmint rounds. They do penetrate way more than modern varmint rounds, but are designed to fragment rapidly uo too 500 yards or so. Barmes had an all copper, delayed expansion hollow point 223 bullet that Remington loads. It's designed for deer.
I may have missed it, what range did you shoot the hams at?
Fun fact: in germany its prohibited for every game larger than roe deer. for the rest you need at least 6,5mm diameter plus E100 2000J.
Yep laws made by people who have no clue of ballistics
Thank you. It was in time for guests.
All about shot placement!
Good video, but what did you do with the ham ? After you did the test?
Dug out the lead and made ham soup.
@@GunTradition good I am glad you ate it, I love ham.
Twice killed ham...MMmmmm, gooood eating!
I just got an AR-15 trying to figure out if 223 or 556 is best for larger game
They are functionally the same. There are more hunting options in .223
What happened to sound?
What kind of ammo is the sp?
Looking at a 5.56 bolt gun as I am in my 60s and have a really bad back. I have a question and it may be in bad taste, why is the 5.56 considered a small game round when tens of thousands of men have fallen to the round in war? I can no longer handle a lot of recoil and want a gun for deer and varmints (50 to 200 yards). Thanks
Because it's much smaller than the traditional 30-06. It looks small, and the traditional rounds were all fmj or frangible soft point until recently. The father of the 223/5.56, the 222 Remington, was marketed as a varmint rifle with 40-grain bullets. That's also part of what gave it a bad name. If you use quality modern bullets, the 223 is a death ray. I'd go with .223 for a bolt gun, because the chamber specs tend to create a bit more accuracy. Look for Winchester Deer Season XP or Hornady GMX ammo.
Great video! Thanks for posting.
You need to use heavier bullets like 75 or 77 gr. Otherwise 55 gr are too light and short
A 55 grain is most common for hogs and deer. I do have a 62 grain soft points that I like. That's the heaviest I'll go.
I use 75 gr brhp and it works well for hogs any lighter and you're better off with fmj
Thoughts on 70 gr Barnes tsx from a 20"?
I'd use it as long as it shoots well from your rifle. The slower twist rate barrels don't like 70 grains.
It like to see this at 100 yards