This Will Drop a Deer Instantly
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- www.deeranddeerhunting.com/ How do you drop a deer instantly while gun-hunting? Daniel E. Schmidt explains the science of where to aim. Plus, in the Product of the Day, we look at the new Wicked Ridge NXT 400 from @TenPointCrossbows . Deer Talk Now. Season 9. Episode 40.
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At long distance or fast shots I have done this to compensate for margin of error and it does drop them instantly .
Usually I do heart lung and it dies the trick . What I do like about the shoulder is they don’t run and you don’t lose them . Which is a big importance in rugged terrain .
Without knowing Why that shot placement works it’s been my favorite for 45 years, since it first happened to me by accident. The buck dropped without taking another step! I decided to do an autopsy after hanging & skinning our the buck. Was amazed at the amount of damage that
.300 Savage bullet did, through the shoulder blade & completely shattering the spinal column. Have used it since and it works Every time. A Very humane kill shot. ThankYou for explaining it.
@Wyatt Earp I'm assuming that's for the meat quality? The whole bleed out thing I mean.
Animals it's called a necropsy but yeah I agree my uncle never had a deer run after he shot them in the high shoulder I always took the vital shot and had to track my deer every time I decided last year to start aiming a little higher than I usually do and dropped 3 deer in their tracks no thicket chase and drag for me anymore
@@konz2891 Not really that is only an issue if you don't gut and bleed the animal quick enough. THe longer the animal sits the more it is breaking down on the microscopic level. Removing the guts is the most important part (and not puncturing them) as all that bacteria in their gut is not something you want to be able to spread.
And did this completely kill the deer on impact, or does this just make the deer not able to move?
@@jackspeth4467 Usually kills 'em flat dead.
I do something similar, but I move my shot to just about an inch forward of where the neck meets the body. Large target, instant drop, and the deer is dead before it hits the ground. I use a .30-06 with 180 gr Core Lokt PSP and only lose a couple of ounces of neck (stew) meat. Has worked like a charm for me for decades.
Very effective and I would rather shoot neck meat than shoulder meat. I have a family member who has adopted the same shot location for the last several years, and no animal ever takes another step after being hit.
This is where I usually shoot deer if I want them to drop on the spot.
It is extremely effective.
Specially when a rather soft bullet is used in a 6.5mm or larger caliber cartridge.
I also in some situation shoot the deer in the top of the neck, but that is usually on straight towards and straight from shots.
If it doesn't matter that the deer run 100 yards before dropping, I prefer to shoot for the top of the heart when the distance gets longer to have a maximum size of killing area to hit.
Get a 7 mm 08 or a 25-06 ..no need for a 30-06 a pro said ( not I)
they dont take 1 step
The first deer I ever killed I shot with a high shoulder shot, dropped dead on the spot, the largest deer I ever shot, a large 10 point buck on my wall, dropped dead on the spot with a high shoulder shot. I've shot more deer with high shoulder shots and neck shots and the farthest one ever went was a neck shot, 200 yards and that was it. The rest, on the ground where shot.
Agree
Very well done video. Most average guys dont know the anatomy and bodily structure of the animal. Being a butcher and meat cutter by trade I am very familiar. Watched just to see how accurate and precise it would be, and was not disappointed. Again, well done. My only concern is meat damage. Shot placement like this basically destroys both top blades, part of the top loin, and some of the neck from hydrostatic shock. But thats not the purpose of the video, again meat cutter views here....I prefer a back lung shot, just in front of the diaphragm, a few ribs back to avoid any meat damage to the shoulder and leg muscles. That is if the animal had room to make its death run and expire in the few seconds it will take. Im an eater, and want to maximize the yield from the carcass. If I cant take a headshot at close and confident range thats my .02.....But very informative and accurate none the less. Great job, very well done.
Thank you for your insights, Scott!
Headshot at close range with 100% MOA knowledge and the right bullet is a must.
Honestly yep. Brain shot for the win
I’m new to hunting but in my spirit I thought a head shot would be the way to go if the shot became available, close range with a weapon that shoots true and zeroed out. Thank you for the insight sir.
@@Setapart2122 Head shots are fantastic but it's hard to recommend them to the average hunter. The deer brain is a very small target, broadside double lung + heart is going to be the most ethical shot for the vast majority of hunters.
Used this same shot placement on a coyote today, legs curl up and they drop like a rock. The other thing happening is you are sending a shock wave, bone fragments, and bullet debris into the spine after you pass through that scapula. If you want to waste less meat on ungulates, do as many have suggested and move the shot slightly forward of the neck/shoulder junction and you will get the same result while saving good roast and steak meat. Great video sir, thanks
Im over 60 now. All my shots are high shoulder. Im done chasing!
Great video.
I love your book "Whitetail Wisdom". I have bought about 6 copies and in addition to reading it several times myself, I have given copies of your book to family members and friends that were new to hunting. Thanks for sharing useful knowledge.
I found that book in a thrift shop, had no idea he was the author
Great advice, I use a 25-06 with bal tips and shoot the neck with the same results...but you are exactly right on high shoulder, I was young, and my friend dropped one like that pole axed we call it. High shoulder 30/30 winchester. Done it and seen it many times. Any round with power I'd say .357mag and up but 30/30 is my favorite.
Thanks for sharing this with me. I've got a friend who had never hunted until last year. And even though I tried to explain where to place his shot messed up thoroughly. And then tried to track a wounded elk for 5 miles. Needless to say he couldn't catch up to it. So I'm hoping that he pays attention to your video. Thanks again!
On a broadside shot do you normally aim into the shoulder or just behind it?
It always helps to get great information from a reputable source
In my opinion this is the very best shot. I started hunting again two years ago and this past season was able to take my first deer in over a decade. It had been a long absence for me from the deer woods. I was on a ledge and took a high shoulder shot on a buck quartering slightly towards me. He dropped instantly. Didn't even flinch. I've only done that one other time with a similar shot placement. In my opinion, high shoulder is the most ethical shot.
Explains why my between the shoulder blades spine hit dropped my buck without even any residual kicking. He just dropped and that was it. It wasn't just severing the spine, it was frying those nerves. It was the only shot placement I could get as it was almost too dark for me to see him ( 14 or so minutes left of light, but in the woods where its always darker). He was straight on head down at 50 yds and I was shooting from about 11 feet up in a box blind. I had almost no wasted meat too! No bloodshot, just some around the wound I had to trim due to bone and bullet fragments. The heart was intact and I took that with me too.
Nice. Im running canis latrans red dot sights on my 22. Very accrurate 5moa dot sight.
Outstanding video. A concise, informative and direct to the point explanation of how to humanely harvest a deer. VERY well done!
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What a great video. There’s not enough helpful videos like this on gun hunting
I’ve had this happen several times in my hunting career. Never really understood why and never made the correlation. Now I do. Excellent point and delivered perfectly.
You never realized that you were destroying the spinal cord? Cool.
@@robertcaldwell9226 we have all spine shot a deer. The old timers always took the “neck” shot. The shortest track ever. That was the interesting part, it not the spinal cord. Your hitting the 3 nerve clusters. That video didn’t show the spine being hit or severed. Maybe I misunderstood the information. I’m going to rewatch it. Thanks for the comment on my post.
Thank you for the update brother !
Great content and advice in this video! Keep em coming!
A great lesson, hope to see the results of I get a chance to go this year. Thanks for sharing!
New to hunting. Good video but any way you can provide still pictures of real live deer with the "kill shot" indicated. The skeleton and chart are nice but I think pictures of a buck and doe would be educational. Thanks again.
I started hunting around October in 2021 and a month later got deer
This is a terrific explanation! Thanks - much appreciated…
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I have used both the heart shot and the shoulder shot. It is surprising how far a deer can run with a massive hole in its heart. The shoulder shot does drop it instantly, although I never knew why. Great video! Thank you!
I shot a doe with a .450 bushmaster through the heart. She ran 40 yards!
Does this shot kill the deer on impact, or just paralyze it? Also do you aim for the triangle part he was talking about, or just the entire high shoulder?
Yup
40 yards that's about normal for any chest lung area hit.
@@giles-df9yuit depends where the deer was and what it was doing. In a congested area, 40yds makes sense. But if the deer was moving across a wide open area then they can really keep moving. Going for the heart double lung has let me down too many times, now I like to catch some shoulder and make things simple.
Kudos on your finely made and presented video. I specially liked your introduction in which you unequivocally and clearly address the issues of ethical hunting and the humane treatment of the quarry which entails proper shot placement, shooting within your true skill range and being proficient with the back up shot.
I'm an avid fan of long distance precision shooting, and though I'm not a hunter myself, I accompanied my Grandfather who was an accomplished and respected hunter ; through him I learned the ethical and sportsmanship behavior that should be observed while hunting.
It saddens me that these fine and important aspects of hunting are often barred aside in many presentations and videos, and all or almost all the emphasis is directed at discussing range issues, calibers and intermediate ballistics, optics, etc., with no consideration made about terminal ballistics, effectiveness of shots and shots placement, and to discussing when is best not to attempt the shot at all, which are the hallmarks of a true hunter and sportsman.
Well done!!!
Thank you for your thoughtful response!
Flash, been hunting 55 years, couldn't tell what grain bolt I shoot, couldn't tell ya the FPS of the rifled slug I use, couldn't tell ya grains of shot I used in my muzzleloader. What I can tell ya is I don't shoot beyond 35 yards, I don't take risky shots, I practice throughout the summer with all three of my deer hunting weapons. In 55 years I lost 1 deer. I was taught at a very young age about safety, shot placement and ethical hunting by my dad (RIP). We've lost that, it's all about who's owns the best and latest equipment, camera shot and whom can harvest the biggest buck. Hell been hunting 40 plus years with my 870, my favorite weapon.
@@jimbob4692 I couldn't have expressed any better Jim Bob, ... and thanks for sharing.
@@jimbob4692 yup what you said. Turned 50 this year and been hunting along long time. Same way every year. Hunting isn’t complicated. Find what works and don’t change it.
Got a 12 gauge for Christmas. I’m 16 and ab to go hunting. Very excited!
Congrats kid.
How did your hunt go if you've been already? Hopefully well!
I think if you feel bad after you kill something then you can not do it again. Killing or maiming an animal should not be a joyful thing. I love all animals They all deserve to live their life. Just like we do.
@@vengifeugas9348 Sorry man i was hungry 🤷♂️
@@vengifeugas9348 Love to hunt Lions/Elephants such an adrenaline rush :)
I’m just getting in to hunting and I’m so grateful for this video. I would never forgive myself if I botched a shot and caused the animal to suffer
Thanks for the tip. I accidentally hit a nice 8 point there, from 30 yards with my crossbow, while intending to hit 3 inches lower and back. I tracked a weak blood 🩸 trail 200 yards over a 2 and half hour period and never recovered the deer 🦌. I did attempt this shot later on a doe, at 125 yards, with a 30.06. I hit slightly behind the mark but the damage done only allowed the deer to travel 30 yards. I will practice to improve for future hunts.
good tip for rifle. as for the crossbow i shot a nice 10 point at 50 yards with a $250 killer instinct 380. deer ran probably 60 yards before it died.
This explains so much! I keep thinking the bullet changed path and hit the spine!
Interesting! Appreciate the anatomy lesson. I’ll be looking to try it this year. Thanks!
Dont use it if you value the meat in the shoulder and the back strap behind it.
Go fo a heart of lung shot instead of you value the meat right where the shot will be
Good information, I’ve always done heart shots and it is amazing how far a deer can go with a heart shot, for me, as far as 45 yards! I will now concentrate on the shoulder.
we have seen them go farther with no heart...75 to 100 yards
Thank you for the advice!
Very well explained! Thanks
After having shot deer in several places, I wholeheartedly agree. This spot always does the trick, quickly. Works well with hogs too.
Does this kill the deer on impact, or paralyze it? Also do you aim for the triangle part he was talking about, or just the high shoulder in general?
Thank you for this Great Video !!!!!
thank you that was a fantastic lesson
Really appreciate you guys...
Very informative. Good video.
I shoot for low in the kneck when possible. I find the high shoulder shot works very well, but makes a mess when cutting it up. Mid kneck is great if you can make it, not for everyone cause it’s not a large area at distance.
Great information. Have not hunted in years (getting old) but when young I hunted a lot. I had tried the so-called heart shot with limited success. Very seldom did an animal drop immediately even though they were dead. When the .243 was first introduced one of my friends bought one and complained it would not kill a deer. I borrowed it. I also did not have much use for it after shooting a small buck at about 175 yards. The first shot through the heart only caused the buck to change direction, other than that couldn't tell it had been hit. An immediate follow up shot through the top of the shoulder dropped the buck on the spot.
Destroy to much good meat for me. I like head shot my self drops dead and don't mess up any meat
I kill deer all the time with a .243 with no trouble. Be wary of .308. I hunt with it also, but be careful.
@@chriscogsdell6805 just killed a doe last night, I aimed for the white spot right under the chin. Dropped immediately. I’ve used a 243 with no problem. Used a 270 last night.
@@jorgejimenez5563 good job on your doe. Not a bad spot to aim for either. All I hunt with is my single shot 243. Love that rifle. Half the deer I've killed with it ran off other half dropped like a sack of potatoes. And recovered all.
Great video. I did this with a crossbow a few days ago on a deer at less than 10 yards. Farther, and I would not have tried, but at that close range the bolt was more like a bullet and the expanding broadhead was 2". Dropped it.
What did that head look like after the shot?
@@josephtreadlightly5686 It was fine this time. Sometimes the broadhead is damaged, depending on what it hits after the pass through.
@@jwnagy Momentum is everything. Light arrows with a short draw on a bow with that head is usually a much different outcome.
Excellent, thank you.
TY4 very gud vid! Have full 58 years deer hunting exp. Dad taught me to WAIT, PICK SHOT. #1 heart(many pepl do NOT KNOW where heart lies; 4 inches above sternum) #2 vertical line where neck meets body. You either hit jugular or, as you explain, the nerves. It has worked reliably for many sucessful years.
Every deer I've ever shot in the heart has ran the further. I absolutely blue the heart completely apart disintegrated nothing but blood clots the last one ran over 160 yd. When I cleaned it there was nothing but coagulated blood where the heart was or used to be. Not to mention the fact the heart is one of my favorite to eat I no longer try to shoot them in a heart. I will take a neck shot if I can get it or a lung shot and definitely that high shoulder shot will drop them every time. If you get it too high though you won't hit anything but it'll run off and normally live. Worst case scenario if you don't hit the scapula just right A lot of times you'll hit the spine and drop it where it stands as well with the high shoulder shot.
You are exactly right here in Louisiana people like to double lung shoot them but they run forever before you find them. I always sacrifice some front shoulder meat which is crap anyway by shattering those front shoulders and I have never lost a deer. You are correct it drops them in the spot you shoot them and they do not move however you do lose a little bit of shoulder meat due to the blood shock
i have used this shot for years and not had to track one. every deer on my wall is high shoulder or neck shot and they drop on the spot. Poeple question it and think i am nuts for taking such shots just glad i see someone validate it. great video and great way to break it do, ive tried explaining all the nerve to to even my dad but most dont understand until they see it happen. Oddly this was an accidental shot i made and tried again and never went back to the behind the shoulder.
You had me at the first ten seconds. Thank you!
I've always gone for neck and head shots, seems to work pretty good, been doin it for years.
Seems like an add for TenPoint. Mines about 6 years old. Drops deer every shot. At any range up to 45 yards,( haven't had a deer further yet), pinpoint accuracy. Just know your pins. On paper, 3 inch variant from center at 75 yards. I would trust it for an ear shot on a hog. With that said I would not try for the scapula, no matter how close. Should you miss the nerve bundle it will run and with a sealed wound leaving a minimal blood trail. I do like this new Tenpoint look and will check it out. Like to push the 75 yard comfort zone to 100 yards.
thank u im going to start hunting soon so this is very helpfull i love the detail
Thanks for watching, Kevin, and good luck this year!
This video was very helpful. I have a 5 acre lot and was researching shot placement to prevent runs as my previous harvest was with a bow and it almost ran off property. Not a bid deal, but something I would rather not deal with. This placement plus my 20ga slugs @
Same situation, 5 acres- so 30 yards and less would a 12ga slug be too much?? I’m thinking that either 12 or 20 gauge is the way to go when compared to a traditional rifle round that may tend to go through and through, but would it still shut off the breaker box?
@@racegts you can go wrong with either @ 30 yards. As far as too much penetration with the 12ga, if you hit the shoulder blade no. If you happen to miss or just so happen to only hit soft tissue, it depends on what's behind the target. If you can shoot from a higher angle, that's obviously best as the drop will put the round into the ground. Honestly I would go with whatever you have slugs for, has the cheapest ammo, or even use 00 for the 12ga at that range.
12 GA. 50 or less yards that deer is toast with this shot! I try to aim right behind the should but having a smooth bored barrel the bullet floated usually less than 6 inches in any direction of where i was aiming. Mostly northwest of my crosshairs is where the bullet would land typically and just drop them. Hunted in shotgun only area for years! I use a 350 legend rifle now with winchester deer season XP 150grain and I have to say I love it WAY better than my shotgun! Way more accurate and it 100% puts them deer down! Furthest I've had one run with that rifle is 30 yards! 4 deer taken with it now. I love it! Give a whirl I bet you'll like it!
That shot placement also works very well with my 300 Winchester on cottontails...
That quartering shot with the rifle destroyed half the loin!
Yes, I agree. You want to drop that animal quickly and humanely, but the sacred 'Strap! There is a bunch of meat there, wasted.
Very good info
High neck on bucks & head shots on doe has worked for me for 20+ years. Drops them on the spot.
This it very helpful thanks
Interesting. Good to know, but I think I'll stick with the vitals.
What's more vital than all the nerves going to the brain? You need to research why this shot is best a far as loss of game verses your behind the shoulder shot. I don't have time to explain it to you. I'm headed back to sleep. Good luck
@@mikewilliams7218 Oh boy. If you like to kill but not eat venison, I guess that's your business. I'd rather not give half my deer to the coyotes.
@@raytyre750 my thoughts exactly. I'm going to guess most deer hunters hunt for the venison. Lots of good venison destroyed with that shot.
Really informative - thank you! I mostly hunt with a muzzleloader and had really bad luck last year - I lost a deer and almost lost 2 others during the course of the season but was able to locate them after a lot of tracking. This year I had much better luck - almost every deer (and a black bear) dropped in its tracks. I attributed this to a change in bullet choice - went from a solid copper to a cup and core bullet. While the bullet change probably has a lot to do with the improvement I think that shot placement may have been equally or more important. I noticed that some of my deer that I almost lost (both does) last year were heart shot but left no blood trails and one actually got 70 yards away and almost out of the public land I was on. In comparison - this year I shot two large bucks and I selected a slightly higher and further forward shot than last year and both dropped in their tracks (with similar results on two does and a black bear). I didn't realize that there was a nerve component - I mostly thought the high shoulder disrupted the motor functions of the front legs but those "instant death" like reactions did look as if there was a nerve component as well - especially considering that the bones were not broken on these deer.
Thank you for your comment and insights!
@@DDHONLINE no thank you- I am hesitant to go back to solid copper but this video has got me thinking that if led is banned in my state I may focus more on shot placement with this information in mind and try not to be so worried about having to change bullets again.
can you provide bullet brand and grain? I have shot powerbelts 250 but behind the shoulder. Wanna try the high shoulder but afraid the powerbelt will not get it done. Please advise. ty!
Beautiful intro song. Great video
Beautiful song ??? 😂😂
3:23 ?? Never rest the barrel on anything to shoot. Rest on the forestock.
I'm with you on that; however, this is obviously how he shoots and how he practices his shooting. If the bullet ends up landing exactly where he aims then I would say continue doing whatever it is that you do. I.e. if he is in a ground blind using a bag/rest much like the one that he was using in the video then he would most definitely want to rest the barrel on the bag/rest. I personally wouldn't shoot with the barrel resting on anything either, though. It looks like it works for him though.
It matters what gun you use. I use a 450 bushmaster and I rest the barrel at the end of my blind stand. Works like a charm
For a tight, long range shot, it Will affect the harmonics(flexing) of the barrel and indeed your accuracy 👍
@@rpcoltrane4340 You should get somewhat consistant result if you always rest on the same spot on the barrel. But its a pretty narrow spot for consistancy. I'm pretty sure he always shoot sitting in the same place, same distance from the `wall` etc. However the rifle is only ajusted for that specific shooting stance. I'm pretty sure he's gonna shoot high in every other shooting stance. Even if it "works", its still wrong.
Love videos like this. And content like this.
I know too many people that preach and preach and preach to use this and that broadhead, or this and that bullet. As if that is the only deciding factor to a kill. Shot placement is and always will be king. Last year I took a doe with a rage mechanical (I'll never use them again). The shot was a front facing quartering shot at the heart/lung. But my bow tilt threw the bolt towards the rear and I gut shot her rear and high. Poor shot but I lucked out by fully severing the Femoral Artery that is just below the spine. I like to inspect what my arrow or bullet actually damaged while I gut and field dress. I'll check every organ that was impacted to see exactly how it died. Basically an autopsy in the woods. But even tho I could easily prove that the shot placement cutting an artery in half. I still had family and friends giving credit to the broadhead. ANY BROADHEAD WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING. All the head needed to do was cut the artery. Luck, is what happened. A lucky shot that hit the artery, forcing a rapid bleed.
Why will you not use them again?
What did it do or not do where you want to use something else?
From my limited use of a bow the mechanical killed better than the fixed heads and were more accurate to.
I didn't stick with the bow hunting it was just not for me.
@@tbjtbj4786 that shot it worked fine. But I had a few that failed to deploy the blades. One even hit a tree and only deployed two blades. I simply don’t trust that mechanism of the Rage. I prefer the guaranteed opening of a broadhead that folds backwards. There’s virtually no way for that to go wrong. I do like the increased cut mechanicals have over fixed tho. This year I’m running 125gr NAP DK4 broadheads. With fixed blade muzzy as backup and long range throw away shots.
I’ll still do my normal field autopsy haha. This go around I’m bringing two phones and a small tripod. I want to start recording that process.
Good info.
Great meat and potatoes info! If you up the bow game to adult arrows and that darn scapula gets in the way they’ll make short work of it! 👍🏻
2” behind the ear in the beginning of the neck, and they drop too! You just disconnect the computer from the machinery.
I done it this year and it works like a charm.
I second that.
Thanks for this video . I hunt a small property and this shot has done great for me on 2 deer this year. Dropped them on the spot , didn’t have to ruin my neighbors hunting tracking a deer
The first deer I ever shot was a 140lb doe with a .223(legal in PA), it was a single lung shot, only hitting one. She took off running and I took a second shot taking out the hind leg. That was what it took, now I’ve switched up to a .308
Be careful with the .308. You will lose some deer with it if not. Hit some bone.
Should think about 300 blk they have. 150 grain deer season round for it
I’ve shot a pile with my 308’s had a few moan and kick, but never lost one. I shoot 150gr.
A new guy to the group used 140gr Creedmore last year and after hitting it twice and another fella had to finish it off. Some think it’s all about the bullet. I think shot placement is 70% 30% bullet.
The deer I shot this fall was this or close to it. He was quartering-to and ended up being a high lung, spine shot. Would have hit his shoulder if he was more broadside. The only openings I had was his head and the front 1/3 of his chest. 7x8 point and by far my personal best. Wide and decent mass but not very tall.
Merci’ , very , very useful info .
High shoulder hell no why waste all that meat?
7mm 08 in the bread basket works for me everytime. Shot an 8pt this year and he dropped instantly with a lung shot. Shot 3 does one dropped instantly with a heart shot, the other like 30 maybe 40 yards max with a front side through shoulder and heart, the other trotted off and died only about 30-40 yards with double lung shot. I'll stick with aiming for vitals.
Confusing terminology. When you describe your shot placement in the vitals, I've never heard that ever referenced as the bread basket. Bread basket has always meant stomach, unless someone here can learn me something new.
3:30, dropped but didn’t die on the spot. Scene then cut. Taking out nerves doesn’t alway result in immediate death, it just means the deer can’t run away. So is your definition of dropping a deer meaning just that, not necessarily killing instantly?
I thought the same thing.....paralysis; not dead. I still think I would aim for the heart/double lung with bow or gun.
So much bone damage along with major vascular destruction it's pretty quick 👍
@@michaelhedgepeth5106 That and at least in humans, the brachial plexus has the nerve that transmits to the lungs. Better than mechanical damage, off switch.
All the deer I dropped with similar shots also had a severed spine , sure that is why mine dropped like they did.
Just shot the god damn deer in the heart, no need for dropping it instantly and not dying quick.
Worked for me last Sunday of NY muzzleloader.. Hunt 10 acres and did not want to terrorize my neighbors with a deer on there lawn
Wow! That's the best hunting top I've ever heard.👍 I never liked the idea of an animal running 75 yards and then expiring.
They can run 75 yards in seconds
if you're not a good shot, it's not like everyone has a say in the matter.
Hit one today, dropped instantly. 6.5 creedmoor, plexus, gone...first deer ever taken 😊
My first two deer were taken with a. 222 Remington and both were shot center body, right where the neck meets the chest. Dropped both deer in their tracks. Stone dead. Pretty much where he said the ulnar nerve was
I did this once on accident. Will remember this for this weekend.
This shot is a great option when it works. I shot a big doe with my 06 this year. Punched through the shoulder and blew off a chunk of the heart. It only ran 30 yards, but that broken shoulder swinging around ground that whole shoulder roast to hamburger. If you knock it down, you shouldn’t have a problem
Best shot is the lung-heart-lung shot with longbow/crossbow at ground level or long range from above in my opinion. Doesn't drop on the spot (last 3 I've shot have gone 20, 30, and 15 yards) but saves more meat than gunshots and you're more likely to also save the heart while contributing to massive blood loss.
If you dont drop then your a shithead.
Tb wtf are u talking about ya clown
Your high shoulder shot does work but you will mess up a lot of meat but if you hit the neck does the same thing with less meat looks the second best is a face on shot at the halow space in the brisket otherwise stick to the hart lung shot and use enough gun
If you do want to scapular shot a deer with a bow, use a heavy grain bodkin and high poundage bow. The point as I understand it is to crack the bone and send a shock through the nervous system rather than kill by bleeding as most archery hunts do. A good heavy bodkin with a correctly tuned heavy bow should work just fine. A 3 sided bodkin will probably split the bone apart with enough force.
Great anatomy lesson but your physiology could use some improvement.
The brachial plexus, part of the peripheral nervous system, does nothing more than control the skeletal muscles of the anterior limbs of the deer. The loss of nerve conduction is downstream from the scapula.
The “breaker” that is shut of immediately, in this scenario, is the use of the limb... which is why the deer drops immediately. It can no longer stand.
Rapid incapacitation is is generally caused by central nervous system trauma or blood loss, which starves the central nervous system.
Hydrostatic pressure is a better explanation for immediate death in a shot to the scapula.
Good post, worth reading Terminal Ballistics if you want more detail. I shoot for the Brachial plexus every time with my rifles and not the high shoulder shot. Red Kettle has great diagrams on TH-cam and the web too.
I’m trying to educate myself on the most humane shot possible. This seems to be very effective. I have read some of the concerns shared by others about meat preservation. Does this shot damage the meat? I ask because I’m very new to hunting.
I was always told to drive that shoulder into the vitals (with a gun). Seems to work better, than hitting the deer further back like many hunters tell they do. I have helped to track a deer that had this perfect placement when we finally found it, but it ran for a long way. Driving through the shoulder seems to work better in my opinion and limited hunting experience. I dropped one deer on the spot, by aiming small and missing small in the shoulder area. I will keep using this method, until I am proved wrong. Seeing an animal suffer is very painful to me.
I hit one running at me in an Angel, bullet ricocheted off the shoulder blade, (308) dog found it 1/2 mile away the next day.
Be careful of your angel.
@@mcmuskie2563 It didn't Is ricochet off the shoulder you just made a s***** shot dumb a**
I dropped a 120lb doe last week with this shot.
It works, she dropped where she stood.
The 270 bullet hit the scapula then the spine and basically exploded, there was no exit wound.
There was an area behind the scapula the size of a large fist that was jelly.
I found bone and bullet fragments in both lungs and the heart.
Nasty wound but the doe was dead instantly.
Way to go, Ian!
Good breakdown, sad to see the Doe drop... The reaction shot to the bow round may seem a bit dramatic to some but when you feel it you feel it. Rough day, that one?
I spin shot mine last year, was aiming for the heart but some how I shot the spin but a kill is a kill
Thanks
Daniel, so on 5 acres ( and can’t let the deer run to neighboring property ) a shot that would most likely be 30 yds or less what would the top 5 calibers be in your opinion? I’m thinking top 2 would be 12 or 20 ga slug.
Thanks for an excellent video!💥🎯🥩
1- .280
2- 30-06
3- .270 or .308
4- 6.5 creedmore or something like it
5- 12 gauge (if you have the range)
at 3.44 this is the best example of buck fever I have ever seen.
I've never understood it. Never gotten a rush from any of the animals I've killed. It's simply food on the table.
I’m just wondering if the fact that the spinal cord is behind that shoulder blade makes a difference? I mean thanks for the lecture about all the nerves though. I’m pretty sure the smashing of the spinal cord is what drops a deer in it’s track.
I find that if they are standing facing you looking straight at you , one between the eyes works well.
I actually thought I missed that one lol , but it never took 1 step
I have shot 46 deer in my life,using 12 gauge,.243,.264,and now I use 7mm rem mag.shooting every one of them in the neck and not a single one has ever done anything but drop
Would the meat damage issue be less of a problem if you are using a big slow caliber such as 44 Magnum, 45Colt, or 12 gauge slug?
I’ve dropped two deer with a 9mm 147gr Federal HST and another time with the Winchester 147 Ranger T’s, both in close range and in the scapula, just like explained in the video. Makes sense.
I hope to harvest a deer with my Ruger gp100 .357 mag later this week. Using a 158 grain JSP. I will bring my rifle in case of longer ranges but I'm hoping for a close range shot. Good luck this year btw.
I prefer the Winchester SXT 124 gr +P for the extra velocity. Under 400 foot pounds of energy from a 9mm on deer isn’t the best option for deer hunting. It’s all about proper shot placement!
This is the shot my dad told me to do over 30 years ago. Never had one even get up. Usually dead within seconds, heart is usually gone as well depending on the angle of the shot
New hunter here. Out of curiosity, would this also be the suggested location for a shotgun as well? Slug I could imagine well, assuming the shot is accurate, but buckshot? This is all new to me but the one thing I know for sure is I don't want the deer to suffer. Also, I hunt in Japan, so the Shika here are about half the size of a whitetail, but I imagine the anatomy is similar.
I've taken high shoulder. I really prefer double lung or heart shot. You don't blood or waste nearly any meat. Yes long distance or small property I would more than likely take high shoulder just to be safe
I learned something good here as a new hunter…!
Interesting video and some great info. The question I would like clarified is how this shot 'kills' the deer. As a physical therapist I understand completely how severing the spinal cord (which in effect is what you are doing) will drop the animal as the signals from the brain can no longer reach the muscles, but how does this kill the deer?? It would seem to me what is happening is you are paralyzing the deer and will then have to use another shot to actually kill the deer. If this is incorrect can you please clarify how this shot kills the deer. thanks
Just did this shot with a crossbow a few days ago. Not intentional. Shot was about 3/4” into the left point of the scapula blade. Dropped it, got into lung though. Died in 20 minutes.
Really? This shot stops the heart, lungs, kidneys, diaphragm, every bodily function instantly. No signal from the brain.
@@mikewilliams7218 OK , so that was my question since my research on where heart/lungs innervate the spinal column on a deer turned up nadda.. Thanks!
@@bwn60 You are welcome. A complete severing of the spine, of all the deer I've killed, makes me feel the deer died so quick they think they are still alive today. It does damage some meat. If you want to research the average wounding loss of this shot versus behind the shoulder shot there is lots of info on it. Or You can ask my opinion, I've killed many deer, skinned around 6,000, and talked to many hunters. Up to you. 🇺🇲
I stopped hunting years ago. But I really like this video. Thank you for sharing an ethical way to bring deer down instantly.
If you are able you should get back out there sometime.
Interesting, makes total sense… except doesn’t that shot ruin the shoulder meat? I hunt mainly for meat and a rack is a bonus here and there but I’m all for a deer going down faster to.