Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 Unboxing, Comparison and AIC Simple Install on Gigabyte TRX40 Designare
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- This is our 2nd Video installing a Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 PCIe Card / AIC Hardware Unboxed. Our 1st Titan Ridge install was with the Gigabyte X399 Aorus Extreme Motherboard. That Motherboard had the THB_C Header but no Bios support. And it worked. For the most part. And to this day, still no Bios support! However, this time around, we have both Motherboard support and Bios support. And it works!
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The Thunderbolt Control Panel is different! The Thunderbolt Control Panel no longer shows up as a Notification icon on the Task Bar. Instead, the Thunderbolt Control Panel launches as an Application which can be pinned to the Task Bar. Otherwise, the Thunderbolt Control Panel launches upon Device Enumeration.
This was suppose to be the first install of two, for the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 after the Comparison and AIC Simple Install on Gigabyte TRX40 Designare. While trying to install the 2nd Retail Boxed Titan Ridge AIC along with the Titan Ridge included with the Motherboard, the Computer would not Boot! Bummer! Big time!
We're working on a follow up Video to detail the problem. What happened, why it happened, how we resolved the problem. Suffice to say, the two Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AICs are NOT the same! So far, only one can be installed.
And while working through the problems this created, we discovered two other potential problems. Those too will each have a follow up video. You will want to watch both of those Videos!
We learn by doing. And when we have problems, that's when we discover new solutions. Methodically.
We hope You find this Video useful. The details provided are so anyone can install this AIC and expect similar results. Details matter! Stay tuned!
1.) Gigabyte GC-Titan Ridge 2.0 (Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 PCIe Card Component)
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2.) Highpoint RocketStor 6661A Thunderbolt 3 to PCIe 3.0 X16 Expansion Chassis - amzn.to/3pkQVmj
This experience is a 1 hour synopsis of 7 1/2 hours of Filming, followed up the next day with 4 hours of Filming in diagnosing and solving two problems encountered while trying to install two Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AICs. Bottom Line - Don't! Suffice to say... Only install one Titan Ridge AIC, and only this one in the Box! Details, next Video!
BSOD on Windows 10, version 20H2 or Windows 10, version 2004 error when plugging in a Thunderbolt NVMe SSD
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And if You're wondering, can I install Thunderbolt 3 on a TRXX40 Motherboard that does not have the THB_C Header? We don't know yet. Our next Video may help to answer that question, of what and what to expect. Stay tuned! You will NOT have Bios support! Without Bios Support, No Memory Allocation for Thunderbolt Devices.
Furthermore, the 5 Pin Thunderbolt THB_C Header can be interchanged with the 10 Pin Thunderbolt THB_C Header by way of a Conversion cable. However, the 14-1 Pin Thunderbolt Header utilizes a vastly different Driver model!
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Great video and series so far! Love watching all the different devices you get to play with that I never get a chance to.
Hi krackpot,
Thank You very much for Your Comments! Glad You're enjoying this Series. We're going all the way from start to finish. This is a Content Creation Build. Just as we're showing how we Build and Why, We're going to Show How we use and Why. In this day and time, earning a living has gone virtual.
Our Goal, is to show what it takes for jobs like on Upwork, the Gear used and the Software required. Some Clients are picky about the software when only results should matter. If it helps Us to earn a living, it's Bang for the Buck!
In this next Video, we'll outline 4 problems encountered right after this last episode and the solutions involved. If there's something You'd like to see Us cover, please let me know! Stay tuned!
Thank you so much for all your help! As a complete noob you walked me through this whole process and helped me out so much!
Hi Wilmer Alexander,
Welcome! Excellent! Glad To hear that! Thunderbolt requires very specific and meticulous steps to get that thing up and running! Success on Your Build!
Wow, I had no idea about the Windows + PrintScreen Shortcut. Very informative video. Thanks!
Hi that1cameraguy,
Thanks! Details matter! Glad You enjoyed that! Thanks for Your Comments! How are You using Your Threadripper 3? Your Info Helps Us to make better Videos! If there's anything You'd like Us to cover, please let me know! Thanks for Watching!
Was having a ton of trouble getting this to work. While I knew about tinkering with the BIOS to get it to work, I never knew how to go about getting the drivers. Thank you so much for showing that!
Hi The Obsessive Gamer,
This should not so much of a pain! We persist and prevail! Appreciate Your Comments! We did a separate Video just on the Drivers as a foreshadow to this. Details matter! Especially to get Thunderbolt working! And it does! Much easier to accomplish on TRX40 than on x299.
@@BuildOrBuy Yeah i'm using the z390 which has a similar set up. I'm normally a very technical person myself and I was having a lot of trouble. Again, appreciate your hard work here and I hope Gigabyte streamlines these in the future. You got yourself a sub.
Hi@@TheObsessiveGamer, Thanks for Joining Us! Honored! As always, details matter! We share what we know! Interesting thing about some of the new Gigabyte x570 Motherboards, there's quite a mix of Motherboards... support / non support for Thunderbolt 3. And nothing in the PDF Manuals! They make Us work for it!
Thanks Gill. That's the first install and reason to have ThunderBolt I've seen.
Hi Max, Thanks! Intel oversold and under delivered on Thunderbolt. Data delivery is the only thing that makes sense! Appreciate Your Comments!
Thanks for this! So much detail and also you are so patient with your build. Absolutely love that. I have the same motherboard and I'm yet to test a thunderbolt audio interface. If you do get your hands on an apollo twin or any other thunderbolt audio interfaces, that would be great! Thank you
Edit - (Just noticed that you have mentioned about an upcoming audio interface video. Should learn a thing or two about patience from you lol. Excited to see that!)
Hi Aditya Ravindran,
Nice to meet You! Welcome to the TRX40 Platform! Thank You for Your Comments! Building on this new Platform, requires meticulous attention to details.
1st Audio Interface to test... Universal Audio Arrow Thunderbolt 3 Audio Interface...! An Unboxing and Setup!
That's why we need to get this Build, tested and completed. We have lots of stuff to do! We're going to show several aspects of Content Creation on this Build! Exciting! Stay tuned!
Thank you from KSA.
Hi Ahmed Alghamdi من كل بحر قطرة,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Sir, I'm in love with U... I'm from India, kolkata, ur like my old Guru,, no jump of steps,, step by step guide..
Hi Prithwijit De,
Thank You! Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments!
Gill, I like your channel. I will be following along with a TRX40 AORUS XTREME. I got the Titan Ridge 2.0 I was going to try my Thunderbolt displays.
Hi john valdez,
Thank You for Your Comments! Much Appreciated! Welcome to the TRX40 Platform! The Displays -
Let's hope they are not Apple? Doubt if Intel has them on the approved Devices List. Only way to know it to try! The Titan Ridge 2.0 is more likely to work than the Titan Ridge 1.0. Higher Power Delivery, if that matters to the Thunderbolt Displays.
How will You be using Your Threadripper 3? Content Creation? Are the Monitors rec709?
We're trying to finish the Script for the USB Audio interface. Then on to the Thunderbolt 3 Audio interfaces, then Thunderbolt Storage. Questions keep bobbing up that require either attention or a Video! Great time to be Building a Computer! Thanks for Watching! If You have any Questions or if there's something You'd like to see Us cover, please let Us know! Stay tuned!
That Windows + PrintScreen Shortcut was suuper handy info :D
Hi Farhan, Thank You! Glad You enjoyed that tibdit of info!
Sweet! I was planning on getting this board for my next studio PC build! Looks like it will work with my UA Apollo TB3 Audio Interfaces!
Hi Rob, It should! We're going to be testing 2 different Thunderbolt 3 Audio interfaces, one by UA!
Our 1st test, data, and that works beautifully! BTW: What's Your DAW software? Helps Us to make better Videos!
BuildOrBuy Thank for the speedy reply. Courtesy is always appreciated. I currently use Presonus Studio One 5 Pro! Definitely my personal favorite DAW!
Hi@@robflores5172, Absolutely! Coming from Cakewalk, time to get acquainted. Smart choice! Thanks for sharing!
BuildOrBuy Anytime!! Let me know if you’d like any intro music or graphics!! Currently building up my portfolio! Looking forward to your upcoming videos!
Hi@@robflores5172, Will do! We all need to do that, especially now. Thank You! Next up, TRX40 Designare Problems and Solutions. Stay tuned!
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Hi Puny Hands, Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! We've just Filmed 2 more Videos about Configuring this Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card for a Firmware Update and for Slot assignments. Tedious!
Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 Firmware Updates on Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard
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I have been following this build you are doing and I gotta say, you are hands down the best computer build teacher I have found on TH-cam. No one else even comes close to your attention to detail. Also, as a scientist, I completely love your focus on function and performance as a priority rather than meaningless flashy aesthetics. In my opinion you should be getting far more subscribers than you currently have.
I also have a question. I am considering doing a similar build to the one you are currently working on. I'm planning on building it for my wife who is a researcher and uses Stata on massive databases. Her requirements for memory are huge because of the Big Data in order to run multiple regression analyses. I completely agree that your air cooling set up on this computer will work fine as you are building it, but my question is, if I built a similar build and stacked it out with 256 gigs of Memory, would I need any additional cooling, or have to go to liquid cooling which I really don't want to do, or would the cooling that you have in this system be able to handle the added heat from the additional RAM sticks?
Actually, I just remembered you do intend to put 256GB in this computer right? I guess you only put in 128 so far so I got confused.
Hi Guapo Desperado,
Thank You! Details matter! We're working on a follow up to this with problems encountered afterwards while trying to install a 2nd Titan Ridge AIC and solutions. It was a mess! Air Cooling, Noctua has it covered. We do use the additional 2nd Fan though. It may help only a little bit but we think every little bit matters! Yes, we started with 128GBs, then ramped up to all 256 GBs after the Bios Updates. Phenomenal! Added Heat? We currently don't see that as a problem. We still have to install the Thermistors and watch those potential hot spots. For testing purposes, we have the machine running 24/7. Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing!
Bios F4c, is solid with 256GB RAM. We started with Bios F2 for 128 GBs. The latest Bios F4k was buggy and has just been replaced with F4i as of 9-25-2020. F4k messed up PCIe Lane assignments on 2nd x8 Slot rendering that Slot useless. We'll see what F4i does!
We think it helps to know the reasoning of what, why and where behind the mechanics of the machine. As well as problems and solutions encountered along the way. We learn by doing! We'll be covering other Devices we connect this with as a Content Creator and documenting those procedures as well. Stay tuned!
Hi@@guapodesperado2822,
Easy to do! That's why we think this is so important to document - To help eliminate any confusion. 5 years ago we were trying to get 32GBs into a Computer. And now...
BTW: One more thing on Cooling. Remember, we also replace the Case 3 pin Fans with Noctua 3,000 RPM 4 pin Fans! If those ramp up, then we have cause for concern!
@@BuildOrBuy thanks so much for the replies. Excellent info. And yeah I definitely caught your upgrade of the case fans. Having high performance and rampable case fans as a canary in the coal mine, per se, to indicate unhealthy heat loads is a great idea. Finding ways to either build in safeguards or having redundant failsafe mechanisms is always the best approach.
Hi@@guapodesperado2822, Absolutely! Thank You for joining Us on this journey of discovery! Your comments help Us to make better Videos! As with any Research project, documentation and testing are crucial to our success. We think You'll find the next two videos most interesting.
After 7 1/2 hours of Filming, we ran out of Camera batteries. Next day, 4 more hours, 6 Batteries, and a fresh mind to go at it again until we achieved resolution. Eager to share what we encountered! And now a new Bios as of 9-25-2020. Curious and eager to learn what's happening with that one. As we get closer to Production status, testing becomes more delicate in our approach.
Great analogy in the coal mine. Perfect! I've had other Subscribers comment on the Fans and remind them of their purpose! Yes they cool however, reason dictates if they make noise too much noise, check it out!
Just came across your channel and I love the in depth thorough reviews you've been doing for Thunderbolt cards.
I have a question thats applicable to my setup and hopefully it'll be easy to answer:
Is there anyway to know if your mobo supports thunderbolt 3 or 4 pcie cards? I'm running the asus tuf gaming x570-plus with an AMD Ryzen 3900x. Some info online I've gathered states that it depends and some info states that it won't work. I'm at a cross roads as a creator on what to do.
My job as a video editor requires hard drives with thunderbolt but my PC doesn't have any of those ports natively and I wanted to get a card to fix this short coming but no where on Asus' website or on the product page for the mobo & pcie card does it state any compatibility issues.
My biggest fear is installing the card needing to return it or troubleshoot it until I get the result I'm looking for.
As a follow-up question, if I can't use one of these PCIE cards, what would be my next solution?
Thanks in advance!
Hi SpriteKnight,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! We still have much more to cover regarding Thunderbolt!
ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS
www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS/
TUF GAMING B560M-PLUS has Thunderbolt support but not the ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS. Bummer! Some Motherboards even differ from Rev 1 to a Rev 2 or Rev 3 in whether they have Thunderbolt support or not.
The Thunderbolt Header is becoming more problematic as We've have outlined in other Videos. For ASUS, From 5 Pin to 10 Pin and now to 14 - 1 Pin which has a different driver model than before. That Motherboard Thunderbolt Header is essential for Bios support to allocate Memory for Thunderbolt Devices. Gigabyte Thunderbolt 3 only on 5 Pin Header. The ASUS Thunderbolt 4 AIC uses a 14-1 Pin Header. Hassle. Gigabyte, Thunderbolt 4 added an additional 3 Pin Header to the existing 5 Pin Header. Only ASRock has maintained a 5 Pin Header. However, the Bios settings have changed and to reiterate as well as the Driver Model.
The takeaway, Thunderbolt 3 was easy and generic whereas Thunderbolt 4 is Vendor Specific. Your Options, a different Motherboard. No Add in card for Thunderbolt on Your Motherboard. Unless... Now, it's possible to gain partial support for Thunderbolt 3 meaning no Bios Support. No guarantees on anything. I'll explain how if You want to try it. You're results may vary. Requires the Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC.
BTW: Your AMD Ryzen 9 3900X is 12 CPU Cores. You need a CPU Upgrade if You get a new Motherboard. We have Outlined 4 Levels of Computer Builds for Rendering. Suggest a 5950x with 16 Cores. This is what We define as a 2nd Level Build. An Entry Level Build would be 10 CPU Cores. Above that would be 3rd, a TRX40 HEDT then 4th would be a WRX80 Workstation. Hope this helps! Options! We're all about Answering Subscribers Questions! What do You Render with? Adobe or DaVinci Resolve? We suggest using the Adobe MFR CPU Optimization Formula for a Rendering Build to match Components. We have a Video on that too!
You do a great job explaining it in great detail. Very academic! I have an Asus Maximus VIII Hero Alpha Mobo, any idea whether the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card would work with board? I'm trying to have connectivity with a Drobo 5D3 which has two thunderbolt ports. I would appreciate your suggestions...thanks.
Hi Victor Medina,
Nice To Meet You! Thank You! Details matter! Short Answer, No. Possible? Maybe. Use USB-C Port instead. Data Delivery is THE one thing that makes sense with Thunderbolt 3!
Longer Answer...
Asus Maximus VIII Hero Alpha - Is this Your Motherboard? Chipsets are the Key!
www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-VIII-HERO-ALPHA/
Intel Z170 Chipset - Launched: Q3'2015
ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/90591/intel-z170-chipset.html
On that Motherboard... You have 1 PCIe 3.0 x4 Slot. Good. However... No Motherboard Bios support. No THB_C / GPIO Header on Motherboard. Possible. No guarantees. The Titan Ridge 1.0 card has enough power to be kept alive by Jumping Pins 3 to 5 on the Titan Ridge card. That in effect was what we would be doing and have done on the x399 without Bios support!
The biggest problem, on Your Motherboard that I see right now, shared IRQs. The Primary PCIe 3.0 x16 Slot shares IRQs with the last PCIe 3.0 x4 Slot. And that could be a potential problem on an older Motherboard due to PCIe Resource Management.
Gigabyte has a new Titan Ridge 2.0 Thunderbolt card. Difference in the Two - Power Delivery according to Specs. We're going to revisit this issue on the x399 Chipset without Bios support which may be of particular interesting to You!
Hope that helps! Next Up, Samsung 980 Pro! Stay tuned!
Been watching the vids on this build pretty closely. Meticulous, thorough, clear... very enjoyable to watch, and learn.
I'm curious about this chipset and the ATX motherboards for it. One of the MBs in a PCPP list you pulled up back in July is the Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS PRO WIFI. Assuming 3 M.2 slots are sufficient, and Thunderbolt is not an immediate concern, is there any performance hit in going with that board over the Designare? Thanks!!!
Hi Uzer Zero,
Thanks for Your Comments! We try! Details matter! Just getting on the Platform is an accomplishment. It's a process of learning and understanding the Resources and System capabilities on TRX40 Platform. You'll be happy with Your selection and may have less problems related to beta Bios updates and PCIe Lane assignments.
There are two potential areas of Concern. Both of which anyone on TRX40 should know about. And we will address them both separately as outlined below.
1.) The NVMe stand off screws. On the TRX40 Designare, there are 4 NVMe Connectors. Two are usable. The other 2 have stacked screws. In other words a screw on top of a screw. And are hard to see. Without a socket, they cannot be removed. Requires a 4.5mm socket! The Video will explain and show the problem, in detail.
2.) DPC Latency - Windows is not a real time O/S. DPC Latency is a problem for Windows. Especially with an Audio interface. Therefor, the 1st thing to be turned off would be WiFi. Both issues apply to all of Us.
Back To Your Question, no reason to suspect a performance hit. Congratulations! Keep Us posted on Your Progress!
How much RAM are You starting with? And How will You use Your Threadripper 3? This helps Us to make better Videos!
@@BuildOrBuy Hey Gill - Thanks for your input!!
Yes, WiFi will be disabled, as always. Thanks for the heads up on the NVMe standoffs.
I understand AMD is announcing their next CPU in a week or so. I'm hoping that might kick the prices of the current CPUs down a little. We'll see. Hoping to research, get what I need, and start building by mid-to-end of October. Total budget around $4k (ideal system linked in a reply below, w/2070 Super as a placeholder - PCPP URL + /list/Nj6gTC ).
I plan to start w/64GB (4x16). Primary function will be as a Digital Audio Workstation, mostly synthestration using Reaper DAW software, multiple sample synths, lots of read-only data streaming, minimal live recording. Secondary function will be 3D modeling using Blender & game development using Unity.
System should be as quiet as possible, but 3D / Game Dev function requires a high-end GPU. I'm waiting on the RTX 3070 - hope the Founder's Edition is reasonably quiet, because the price is right and it's the perfect length for my case...
Have an old, 8" wide Antec Solo Mid Tower case on hand with acoustic treatment that I'd prefer to use, if possible. My concern is headroom for a cooler. I have no plan to overclock, so I'm hoping the Noctua NH-U9 TR4-SP3 will suffice (it's basically what I have in my current system). I'd also prefer not to lose the PCIe slot closest to the CPU.
Thanks again!
Hi@@uzer_zero, Absolutely! Doubt CPU prices will fall... Historically the Bundle deals were the ones to look for... However... In light of current situations even getting certain parts has been a challenge. Namely PSUs!
Beyond the Threadripper Pro?
A Reaper Station Build! Thanks for sharing. Not familiar with Reaper. Price is right! Will have to look into that!
We ran into 4 problems we'll outline in the next video and solutions. One being the NVMe standoffs. You should be good to go! Right amount of RAM and an easy path to Upgrade to 128 later if needed.
Hi Bill, watched this and was wondering if you intend on testing connecting TB 2/1 devices into Titan Ridge. I have a Promise Pegasus array using TB 2. Promise suggests the Startec TBT3TBTADAP adapter to make things work. Are you using that in any of your tests? They are emphatic about NOT using the Apple adapter because it seems to only work with Mac equipment and not 3rd party (AKA Titan Ridge). Just sayin......keep up the excellent work.
Hi Lee, You bring up an excellent point! Yes we will. Thanks for asking! And Thank You for watching! Stay tuned!
Hello there and great video; much appreciate this.
Question here: Have you tested to see if the card will work in the 1st PCI (16x) slot (currently where you have the GPU) ... or even the 3rd (16x) PCI slot?
Hi Andrew Clark,
Nice to Meet You! Thank You! We think the problem is the Bios. We have not tried the 1st x16 Slot where the GPU sits nor the 2nd x16 Slot where the NVMe Quad Card sits.
We have only tried the 2 - x8 Slots. We now have a Titan Ridge 2.0 Card and will follow-up on this, in that video. Crazy right? We were using Bios: F4c, Dated 03/05/2020. There is also a new betas Bios: F4i update Dated: 09/25/2020. There was un update, Bios F4k, in between the 2 mentioned. It was unstable and not useable. Lots of drama, for a Computer! In a nut shell, Keep it Simple! Stay Tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for your (informative) reply. Looking forward to see what the outcome is when you finish your next test. Stay safe and healthy!!!
Hi@@andrewmclark1961, Absolutely! Your Questions help Us to make better Videos! We've just finished up a Video about the Samsung 980 Pro! We will get back to Titan Ridge Thunder 3 before we get into the Thunderbolt 3 Audio interfaces! Thanks for Your Input! Details matter! We just need more time!
5:43 There is one use case for this card and video. The dell ultrasharp 5k monitor only has Thunderbolt 3 inputs. I want to use this card to make it work with my pc, not just my mac. Someone made it work on an asus motherboard with a different brand card(compatible with that motherboard). Although, he only achieved 4k resolution. I'm going to give this a try with my Gigabyte motherboard.
Hi Livin LA Vida photo, Welcome! Are talking about the Dell 27 UltraSharp Ultra HD 5K Monitor UP2715K or the Dell UltraSharp 40 Curved WUHD Monitor U4021QW? The later is Thunderbolt 3. The former is 5k. If it's on the Thunderbolt Products List, then You should be in Business! If not, Bummer!
thunderbolttechnology.net/products
Part of the problem We're now encountering is each Vendor has a different implementation of the Motherboard Thunderbolt Header, 5 pin, 10 pin then 14-1 pin and now 2 headers, a 5 pin + 3 pin on Thunderbolt 4 by Gigabyte. Let Us know which Dell Monitor You have. And let Us know if it works! BTW: Dell is the only 8k Monitor at the Moment! Thunderbolt is very much a work in progress and becoming Brand specific in implementation! Thanks for Sharing!
@@BuildOrBuy Hey, thanks for getting back to me. It's actually the LG UltraFine 5K IPS LED Monitor RB27MD5KA-B, which is on the thunderbolt products list. I'm going to give it a try, I'll let you know how it goes.
Hi@@sproesser1,
OK! Small detail. You should be good to go! Let Us know! Thanks for Sharing! Helps Us to make better Videos!
would it be forced to wire the hdmi cable from vga to tb3 aic? and only able to use display through tb3 port? seems manuals saying to wire like that, for gigabyte and asrock aic
Hi D P,
Yes, You are correct. Why not just plug in Video card to Monitor direct? Looks like we need to do another Thunderbolt 3 Video about the technology. Thunderbolt 3 is suppose to do 3 things. Video being one of them.
DisplayPort Video is routed through Thunderbolt 3. If You route HDMI Video, that will require Adapters. Hope that helps!
I have a question regarding the titan ridge pcie card. I have several external nvme drives, mostly 10gbps. But the issue I am having is the 20gbps nvme drives. When connected to the titan ridge 2.0's usb c (thunderbolt port) I can't get the 20gbps speeds like I can on my asus rog strix z590-a gaming wifi II's usb-c 3.2 Gen2x2 port. I use 40gbps usb c cables for all my external devices, I am wondering is it only possible to get 10gbps other than a thunderbolt 40gbps external nvme enclosure. No matter what I tried the titan ridge didn't give me the 20ghbps speeds. I am missing something?
Hi Sean W. Conway,
Welcome! Great Question! A conundrum! You have the Solution in the Question! USB-C Thunderbolt 3 = 40Gbps. USB-C 20Gbps 2x2 is not a Thunderbolt Spec. USB4 uses a different data encoding scheme to achieve 20Gbps. A USB-C 20Gbps 2x2 Device on a Thunderbolt Port will only achieve 10Gbps. USB-C 20Gbps 2x2 requires a USB-C chipset capable of 20Gbps.
Actual Throughput is lower. They also use Different Data Encoding schemes. Thunderbolt 3 is backwards compatible to Thunderbolt 1&2. Whereas Thunderbolt 4 is backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3 only. Hope that helps!
How much power does the thunderbolt card needs. My build is rated for 500 watts and a 650 watt psu is what I'm getting. If I'm using the thunderbolt card, should I get an 850w psu?
Hi Redoxico Manic, Welcome! Nice to meet You! Excellent Question! Power Delivery of 100 Watts. The bigger question is Your Video card. And depending upon Your Motherboard Chipset, 850 watt PSU is a smart choice. Headroom. It's that startup power surge to cover. Be sure to plug in the extra PEG Connector if Your Motherboard has one for additional Power to Motherboard PCIe Slots. Larger PSUs have more Power Taps. And get a Sine Wave UPS! We've been Specifying 750 to 850 watt PSUs for the last 5 years. Clean Power distribution is everything! Hope that helps!
what are the powertap cables you like to use?
Hi Nick Kalisz,
Great Question! Your message disappeared and just this evening showed up so We could respond! Since We have a great PSU, Super Flower, We use what's included with that PSU. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
I brick my GC-ALPINE RIDGE V2 by flashing the wrong .bin bios firmware trought ch341A (the green and the blue shipset) do you have an idea where can I get the original bios firmware (.bin-) thank you in advance
That's for sharing. I installed the card on an ASUS X299 Sage WS mobo. Connected the TB cable and Power Cables but not the USB cable because my mobo has no USB 2.0 port. I activated in UEFI BIOS, installed drivers and Thunderbolt (TM) Controller - 15EB is listed in Device Manager. However, I don't see the Thunderbolt icon and I am not asked to authorise my Thunderbolt devices. It doesn't work :(
Hi Nikolaos Tsarmpopoulos,
Check Your Start Menu. Thunderbolt Control Panel should be pinned to the Start Menu. We pinned the Thunderbolt Control Panel to the Task Bar for easier and quicker access. You should be good to go! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
@@BuildOrBuythanks for your reply. It's not there unfortunately. I suppose this was meant to be installed with Gigabyte's software driver for Windows. I've tried reinstalling, which didn't help. I also found that the only way to connect a TB device is to disable the Security Level in UEFI Bios. I presume this is because the relevant service to request user authorisation is not running on the system. By disabling security, the device connects automatically.
This card replaced the Alpine Ridge from Asus. Similar issues and the drivers are built by Intel, hence, looks like a bug/issue exhibited on all TB cards.
Hi@@NikolaosTsarmpopoulos,
Hi Nikolaos Tsarmpopoulos,
I was concerned about that. Install Driver from CD. Thunderbolt Control Panel get's installed during Driver installation. Then Upgrade or Downgrade Thunderbolt 3 Driver as we did. Hope that helps!
so is the TB header absolutly necessary ? i've heard it's not !
Hi Future Beats,
Welcome! Guess We need to do another Video on this and show what happens on a Motherboard without the Header. Depends. We get partial support. This is the same as Jumping Pins 3 to 5 om the Thunderbolt AIC (Add in Card). Without the Thunderbolt 3 Header, no way to set the Memory Aperture nor to properly Enumerate the Device on the Bus. Partial support means only Thunderbolt 3 Native support and no Legacy Thunderbolt 1 or 2 support. Since Memory Aperture cannot be set, suggest only 1 Device otherwise Connect and disconnect issues can occur. So it works, sort of but not completely. Hassle right. Hope this helps!
Question for anyone that uses this card!!! How well does "fast charge" work for your USB C phone? My phone supports fast charge, it charges pretty quick on the block the phone came with, however I'd like to get the same experience from connecting the phone to the PC. My mobo's back I/O ports are super duper slow at charging, but the front ports, surprisingly, charge pretty fast. I'd still like to get this card if it can do fast charge as fast as the wall outlet. Aorus Gaming 7 OP z370
Hi Odolwa,
Welcome! Great Question! I have no idea! We'll have to test and get back to You on that! Thanks for Asking! At least Your Motherboard supports Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3! That I did check! Stay tuned!
I have an Apollo Twin MK II i just purchased and im trying to get it to work with my ryzen 9 3950x, aorus ultra x570 motherboard and i also ordered the startech thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 2 adapter. When i connect it nothing happens even after i updated everything. Do i need to but this Titan ridge to add to my motherboard or do i just buy a new motherboard that has thunderbolt 3 already installed on it? I didnt know it would work because the rep that helped me said usb c 3.1 was the same as thunderbolt.
Hi Black_HowL 7evin,
Nice to meet You! You need a Motherboard that supports Thunderbolt 3. Not just USB-C. Your Gigabyte Aorus Ultra x570 Motherboard was originally designed to have that support but was removed from production for whatever reason. Notice the spot next to the SATA Connectors... Those 4 dots. You need a Motherboard with that Thunderbolt 3 Header, present.
The X570 Aorus Master (rev. 1.1/1.2) has Thunderbolt 3 support. Whereas, rev. 1.0 of that model does not. Plus You need the Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC.
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-MASTER-rev-11-12#kf
www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-10#kf
There will be one or two settings in that Bios to verify that may need to be turned on. Seems every chipset that supports Thunderbolt 3 is different. That Motherboard may auto recognize the Thunderbolt 3 AIC.
This will give You Bios support. And that will get You Thunderbolt 3 (Native support) Plug and Play plus Thunderbolt 1 and 2 (Legacy support).
We're going to be doing two Thunderbolt 3 Videos with Thunderbolt Audio interfaces soon. One will be with a Universal Audio Thunderbolt 3 interface. Hope that helps! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy i just left the computer store trying to see if i had to buy any additional pieces. They showed me my motherboard is the 1.1/1.2 rev version of the aorus ultra which has the "THB_C" header on the motherboard. So i should be ok. I already bought the Titan Ridge which will be here tomorrow.
Hi@@ILaxative, Perfect! Proof is in the actual product! What I read or could tell, it did not. Even the documentation is sketchy. The Titan Ridge AIC will prefer a specific Slot due to the Root Port selector being hard wired in Bios. Usually, it's right across from the THB_C port. The Bios may Auto recognize the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC. Double check. If Your Computer does not turn on. Do not fret. Just power down. Drain power and change Slots.
Make certain Your Motherboard Drivers (AMD) and Video card drivers are current. Congrats!
Hi, thx for great video Gill.
Can you say your BIOS version ?
Hi Petr Miškeřík,
Nice To meet You! Thanks! Yes... F4c. Beta but solid. No problems. There was another at the time, newer but problematic, and we would not use. There is now a newer Beta Bios: F4i. We have not tried that one yet. And will not until we can get more Feedback. We're getting too close to placing this Machine into Production.
Install Titan Ridge in 1st x8 Slot. You'll be good to go! Thanks for Asking!
BTW: How are You using Your Threadripper 3? Audio of course, but the Audio interface and Tools?
Next Video coming up... Problems and Solutions. Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuyThx for your answer. Stay healthy. Take care man.
Hi@@petrmiskerik, Ditto! We're here when You need Us!
heard asrock x570 creator has general pcie lane btw 2nd m.2 and tb3 ports, would tb3 header mb without controller chipset safer choice for audio works? if it is I want to use AIC , to build ryzen system
it's so horrifying me to read tb3 issues on newer tb3 ports board
Hi D P,
Yes! ASRock seems to be doing more to enable Thunderbolt 3 on AMD Platform than anyone else right now! We're going to be doing more with Thunderbolt. We keep getting questions about NVMe.
ASRock x570 Creator - Has 2 Intel Thunderbolt 3 Type-C!
www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X570%20Creator/index.asp
You want the Short answer or the Long answer? It can work sort of. TB3 only. No Legacy support i.e. - TB 1 & TB2. No Plug and Play. How to enable? On the Gigabyte Titan Ridge TB 3 AIC, Jump Pins 3 to 5. Keeps the AIC alive.
It's really about a Security issue. And that's it. You want Full Support, requires the Connector on the Motherboard and Bios support. Big hassle.
We have Thunderbolt 3 working on both x399 (THB_C Connector, No Bios Support) and TRX40 ( THB_C Connector, Full Bios Support).
Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy really appreciate of answer! was genuinely big help! more to research, more to fear 😨 since x570 creator share tb3 ,m.2 B lane and has interfere problem, might buy gigagyte Vision D which is native tb3 also appreciate of answer for other video related VGA tb3 wire thing , was really big help!
Hi@@dpdpdpdp123,
Yes! You are most welcome! Let Us know if You want another pair of eyes on the Solution, when You're ready!
When plugging it in to the PSU, are you going through VGA/SATA/CPU?? When I route mine through Sata it doesn’t turn on, when I plug it in through VGA I don’t think it registers the device
Hi Tom STruong,
Welcome! Are You talking about the PSU Power Connector to the Thunderbolt add in card? That would be CPU / PCIe Devices. There should not be any mixup on that! What PSU Brand and Model are You using? Fully Modular? Hope this helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Yes I am, I'm using an EVGA 750 GQ semi modular. I'm running two 6 pin connectors from the VGA1 and VGA2 to power it.
Hi@@TomSTruong,
Yes! On that Model, a VGA 8 pin power tap! Those Details matter! Does it work for You? BTW: Next Build, suggest a larger PSU.
@@BuildOrBuy Got it, thanks! Now I don't think I can download the drivers/utilize the Titan Ridge because of Windows 11 :/
@@BuildOrBuy So I got the device to connect and show that my Apollo Twin X is showing and I’m actually in the boot/UEFI start up but I don’t see any option for Thunderbolt in IO ports
Thank you for everything! I believe I'll pass on this installation. "Too much monkey business". 🇺🇸 😎👍☕
Hi Lil' Black Duc,
Welcome! Daffy Business! Pun intended! Yes, You're right! 20Gbps USB-C is much simpler to implement. Even USB4 is rebranded Thunderbolt 4 and those AICs are Brand Specific with a Motherboard Header required for Bios Support. Hassle! But if You want it, We can help You make it work! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
My computer spec: main gigabyte Z390 UD, CPU core i9-9700, after download and install driver for card Titan Ridge 2.0, i cannot see Thunderbolt driver on Device manager. So could you help me to solve my issue
Hi Giang Le,
Nice to meet You! Let's see what we can do and get Ypou up and runing!
Gigabyte Z390 UD
www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/Z390-UD-rev-10/sp#sp
1.) Slot? PCIEX4_1 or PCIEX4_2. Swap Slots if Bios does not see Card.
2.) THB_C (Thunderbolt Add-in Card Connector) Connected?
3.) Check Bios. Verify Thunderbolt Setting.
4.) Still not seen? USB 2.0 Header on Titan Ridge Thunderbolt card. Unplug it for now. Card may require Firmware Update.
Until the Computer Bios sees the card, no way the O/S can see it. I cannot locate anything in Your Bios PDF about Thunderbolt. In Bios, Look under Peripherals. The Thunderbolt menu is only showing up if the Thunderbolt card is installed and recognized. Hope this helps! Keep Us Posted on Your progress!
@@BuildOrBuyYou save my time. My issue was solved after re-check Bios setting again as your instruction. Thank you so much.
Hi@@giangle3449, Excellent! Glad that helped! Success on Your Build! Thanks for Sharing!
Could you say please, if I'll buy 3 x SanDisk Extreme PRO® Portable SSD V2 (2000 MB/s each) USB-C, can I connect them in one time, directly to the TB3 Ridge card to get in total 6000 MB/s speed? I'll have 8xNVMe inside GB Xtreme board, so hard disks will not limit this speed.
Hi Juri G,
Interesting Question. Only 2, not 3! Excellent idea!
1.) USB-C is same Connector. Anything Thunderbolt is suppose to have the Lightning mark designating as such. That Drive does not. But it works! I tried it!
2.) TB3 Titan Ridge card only has 2 Connectors for Thunderbolt connectivity. You'd have to daisy chain the Devices.
3.) Having 3 separate external Drives, in RAID, that could become problematic.
4.) Suggest using a Single Drive or Single Enclosure solution. Any Size Drive or Drives You choose.
5.) Due to some overhead, would You get that Spec Speed? No. Why? Overhead. Not a sustained Speed. Your Results may vary. Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank You for your extnsive comment, as usual ) We are going to use 3 cameras, and after footage (3-4 hours), we'll have ~3x2TB of footage on these Sandisk drives, so we need the fastest way to transfer 6TB of footage to desktop. So as I got you right, as there is no way to daisy chain these drives, we can use only 2 drives at once to move files to desktop at 4GB/s in total speed? Maybe some TB3 hubs may help us? And with GB Xtreme 3 x USB 3.2 Gen 2 - I can have only maximum speed of ~1GB/s per port - right? So max with 3 drives we'll have about 3GB/s download speed?
Hi@@jurig5579,
Titan Ridge ThunderBolt 3 is specified to achieve 40GBit/s. PCIe 3.0 x4 is only capable of 30.781GBit/s. So there's got to be a better way to maximize throughput.
Give me the full picture. Cameras. Where's the Data coming from and what medium is it on? Are You doing 4k/60 or 12k/60?
Any suggestion we discuss should include the full data path. For instance, a Removable NVMe Solution could be an option.
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Hi Gill, I’m upgrading my 4-year-old computer that I use for video rendering. I will be buying an AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core, 32-Thread processor. I have two (2) Gigabyte GV-N980G1 GAMING-4GD G1 Gaming, GeForce GTX 980, 4GB GDDR5 PCiE Video Graphics Cards and will be also getting (based on your video) a Syba I/O Crest SI-PEX40152 Dual M.2 NVMe Ports to PCIe 3.0 x16 Bifurcation Riser Controller - Support Non-Bifurcation Motherboard to be used as a RAID. What Asus motherboard would you suggest to be able to accommodate all of the this? By the way, I also need a slot for a firewire card which hooks up to an external HD capture card.
I know you’re very busy, but do you have any suggestions?
Hi Victor, You're looking at an x570 Chipset Motherboard. I'll make a recommendation this evening on an ASUS Motherboard. Currently Filming. Took a break while downloading a setup installation.
Hi Victor,
Nice to meet You! Changing one thing Changes everything! For the x570 chipset from ASUS, this Motherboard.
www.asus.com/microsite/motherboard/AMD-X570/
Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard
www.amazon.com/ASUS-ROG-Motherboard-Lighting-Heatsinks/dp/B07SW8DQVL/
rog.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Strix/ROG-Strix-X570-E-Gaming-Model/
However, adding the 1394 FireWire card may be problematic. You may have better luck with the 1394 FireWire External Capture Device by using an Adapter to Thunderbolt 3.
If You were to utilize Thunderbolt 3, then we'd have to consider a different Motherboard. Either ASRock or Gigabyte for Thunderbolt 3 support on the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card.
I think the 1394 FireWire card only requires a Single PCIe Lane Slot - PCIe 2.2.
Hope that helps!
Concerning the Gigabyte AIC Retail Version: Have you contacted Gigabyte about the USB cable problem described in Part 2? is it possible it's just this specific TRX board? Also what driver version CD came with the retail Gigabyte AIC ? mine says Ver 1.1 12DC1-TITANR-110AR comparing what you showed for the folders and files on your cd, looks completely different to mine.
The USB cable part number is P/N 12CR1-1UB040-11R
Hi Terry, Not yet. I know enough to know I need to know more before contacting Gigabyte. The USB 2.0 Cable should not be causing a problem. I wonder if there's a Resource Allocation problem with the Bios. Once we know more, we'll share!
We now have a Titan Ridge 2.0 to test with and compare. We'll record that and see what happens. If it's worth sharing, we will! Never seen a problem like that! Has Us really curious!
There is one other Gigabyte TRX40 that has undocumented support for Titan Ridge.
After we've completed our assessment then we'll contact Gigabyte. Their support system is not very supportive nor User friendly.
@@BuildOrBuy I wonder what the difference is between the AIC card shipped with the Designare Mobo, versus the Retail v1.0 and there is also a V2 that has a 5 pin TBH_C and a 3pin TBH_C2.....although there doesn't seem to be any TBH_C2 header on any mobo that I can find.
@@BuildOrBuy I also learned something from you. Instead of just tearing open the little plastic bags with the cables in, they all have P/N on them so for now on I'm going to scissor them open and keep them.
@@BuildOrBuy Can't wait
@@shockwaveriderz I'll check and verify that part this evening and get back to You. Good question! My hypothesis, this is Bios related. We'll see!
This support amd B450 Mainboad ?
Hi Rubah Ganteng Tech,
Welcome! Depends upon the Motherboard. Which Brand and Model? The Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC has a 5 Pin Thunderbolt Motherboard Header for Bios support. Gigabyte does not List any B450 Chipsets, only 7 Gigabyte B550 Chipsets are Listed.
Holy-Moly... Don't you mean Holy Molex? ;-)
Hi Taut Tech, That could work! Thanks for watching!
I have the MSI Mpg Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon Oc and I wanted to know if it is compatible with Gigabyte Titan Ridge to have a thunderbolt connection and not have to buy another motherboard, thanks. I want it so I can use my Apollo Twin X.
Hi dai Amaro,
Welcome! Great Question! To verify, You have the OC version instead of the Non OC Version? The OC Version does not have the Thunderbolt Add-on card connector which is required for Bios support. If You install a Thunderbolt 3 add in card without Bios support, having that work, is hit or miss since We cannot allocate Memory for Connected Devices. According to MSI Thunderbolt 3 add in card, You would need a different Motherboard. Technology right now has gone to USB4 which incorporates prior Thunderbolt technologies. But to do that would require Motherboard and CPU. And maybe RAM depending upon Chipset. Links below.
Also for best compatibility maintain same brand since every Motherboard Manufacturer uses a different Thunderbolt Connector Pinout.
Specification ThunderboltM3 | MSI Global - The Leading Brand in High-end Gaming & Professional Creation www.msi.com/PC-Component/ThunderboltM3/Specification
www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z390-GAMING-PRO-CARBON/Specification
That Motherboard is from 2018.
MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon ATX
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The MSI Thunderbolt 3 Add in Card is hard to Source whereas THE MSI Thunderbolt 4 Add in Card is still available direct from MSI but to reiterate, USB4 is the current technology. Lots to consider. Options. Thoughts? It's all about the Music!
Msi Mpg Z390 Pro Gaming Ac
in the description of my store it says that it has Thunderbolt Add on
Hi@@daiamaro2198,
That's a different Motherboard. Verify the Motherboard You have with the MSI Thunderbolt 3 Add in Card Support List. That Detail matters!
Specification ThunderboltM3 | MSI Global - The Leading Brand in High-end Gaming & Professional Creation www.msi.com/PC-Component/ThunderboltM3/Specification
Hi@@daiamaro2198,
To reiterate, verify the Motherboard You have with the MSI Compatibility List for Thunderbolt 3. The problem also to reiterate will be to Source that MSI Thunderbolt 3 add in card since Your Chipset is from 2018. Going on 4 Years now. We're currently going through new Chipset updates. New Chipsets, New Motherboards, New CPUs.
I have a aorus x570 ultra can i install this card on it? i can't find the thb-c connector.
Hi Peter Brepoels,
Welcome! Nice to meet You! Great Motherboard! You have Revision 1? No. Revision 1.1/1.2, Yes! Gigabyte Aorus x570 Ultra -
www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-ULTRA-rev-11-12#kf
Thunderbolt Add-in Card Connector... Thunderbolt Header sits right atop the SATA Connectors on right edge of Motherboard, according to Gigabyte. They make Us dig for this Info! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you i think it is going to be Rev 1 .
Hi@@peterbrepoels2079, Unfortunately, Sounds lie You're correct! Without Bios support, No Memory allocation for Thunderbolt Devices. As long as You only have the Video card and Thunderbolt, it can work. On the Gigabyte Titan Ridge card, on the TB Header, Jump Pins 3 to 5 to keep the card alive. Only Native support at Boot.
@@BuildOrBuy So it is possible to use the thunderbolt card on my mobe? by connecting the pins on the card?
I onley have a video card in the 8X lane . Nothing for the rest.
Hi@@peterbrepoels2079, Yes. Possible. NO guarantees!
1. The Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC will usually only work in one Slot. Trial and error.
2. Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC requires only 4 PCIe Lanes.
3. Once that is decided. On the TB header, Jump Pins 3 to 5 to keep the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC alive.
Hope that helps. Keep Us posted on Your Progress!
Will there ever be TB3 support for the X399 Designare or Aorus Xtreme?
Hi Franz, That makes two of Us! Feels like we were sold a bill of goods, never delivered! Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Therefore, we all need to contact Gigabyte Support and make a polite request. A function not implemented. I'll do some research and see what the Gigabyte Forums have to offer. Great bunch over there helping thousands on a daily basis!
That deserves a follow up video of the problem and the current solution. With hope for the future!
BTW: We have built Threadrippers on both of those Motherboards!
Hi Franz,
Did a little research. Appears the x570 Motherboards are getting all the attention right now. x570 has a wider market even though we're in the high end. Seems we're not a priority at present. Looks like, in time, we will get Bios support. When? Only Gigabyte knows! We all need to make a request to get the ball rolling!
Glad You asked. Keeps Us watching... and waiting! I have also learned there is undocumented support on a TRX40 Aorus Xtreme for Titan Ridge card! Furthermore, there's Titan Ridge (Rev 2) available! Differences? Appears (Rev 1 & Rev 2) are running same Firmware version but different Driver versions. Curious. Stay Tuned!
BuildOrBuy Thanks for keeping me posted. What do you mean by undocumented support for the X399 Xtreme? How did you find about it?
Hi@@franzpleurmann2585, Undocumented support on TRX40, not x399. Reading through Gigabyte Forums. Stumbled into what I found.
BuildOrBuy My bad. There goes a glimpse of hope 😭
Maybe you know, as for today, that some one had successful experience with GB Trx40 rev 1.0 Xtreme and Ridge 2.0 card with working plug n play?
Hi Juri G,
The only difference according to the Specs would be Power Delivery. It will work! However, We have not tried it yet. Been busy the last 5 days with DaVinci Resolve 17 beta. Testing on 5 different Computers! Our concern right now with Thunderbolt 3 are Microsoft Updates.
Windows 10, version 20H2 or Windows 10, version 2004, you might receive a stop error when plugging in a Thunderbolt NVMe SSD - support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4592819/error-when-plugging-in-a-thunderbolt-nvme-ssd
Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy but officially Xtreme motherboard doesn't support thunderbolt card, isn't it ? And as I read much earlier plug and play mode doesn't work there , do you think its fixed with latest bioses ?
Hi@@jurig5579, Officially, no. Unofficially Yes! I'll get You the Instructions and the Link on the Gigabyte Forums! The Instructions are very specific. I'll have to go dig it up! Working on next Video right now! Give me this evening to find it unless Rick sees this and provides the link! See: Gigabyte Forums - Rick - Colonelhop. So much information going on and such little time! Stay tuned!
Hi@@jurig5579,
Here we go! Have to know what to look for or You'll never find it! Gigabyte Forums - Rick - Colonelhop should be compensated by Gigabyte for His tireless work on the Gigabyte Forums! Hats off to him!
forum.gigabyte.us/thread/9680/newer-revisions-trx40-aorus-xtreme
Quoting User lwvfx... Only changes made were for spell checking...
"I decided to try anyway as I've seen some people have success. But contrary to other people's experiences, it seems they are suggesting that it will be allowed in future.
Firstly, the Titan-Ridge is installed in the upper PCIe x8 slot, rather than the bottom.
All cables connected. Power, USB header, THB_C header.
I followed these steps to remove any drivers I had.
1. Disconnect any Thunderbolt 3 devices from the host system (this is done to prevent Windows Update from automatically loading any Thunderbolt drivers).
2. Right-click on the Windows Start button and select ‘Device Manager’.
3. Click on ‘View’ from the application menu bar, and click the option ‘Show hidden devices’ (this is necessary because the Thunderbolt controller will not be active if no Thunderbolt devices are connected).
4. Expand the ‘System Devices’ category. Scroll down until you find the entry for the ‘Thunderbolt Controller’.
5. Right-click on the ‘Thunderbolt Controller’ entry and select ‘Uninstall device’ from the context menu that appears.
6. From the ‘Uninstall Device’ window that appears, click to place a check mark within the ‘Delete the driver software for this device’ option.
7. Click the ‘Uninstall’ button.
8. Close Device Manager.
9. Click the search button on the taskbar (looks like a ‘O’) and search for the letters ‘cmd’.
10. Right-click on the ‘Command Prompt’ search result and select ‘Run as Administrator’ from the context menu. If prompted, enter your Administrator password.
11. From the Administrative Command Prompt window, enter ‘sc delete nhi’ (without the quotes) and press enter. You should receive a ‘SUCCESS’ indicator. ** Be very careful to type this command correctly ** This command deletes the ‘nhi’ Windows service presently installed on the system.
12. Close the Administrative Command Prompt window.
13. Check within the Control Panel -> Applications and Features to see if there are any ‘Thunderbolt Software’ by Intel entries listed. If any our present, uninstall them.
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Then I decided to try out the DCH Drivers provided by Gigabyte for the Titan Rev 2.0 version, even though I have Rev 1.0
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-20/support#support-dl-driver
Only when the DHC drivers are installed can you install the Thunderbolt Software from the MS Store.
www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/thunderbolt-control-center/9n6f0jv38ph1?activetab=pivot:overviewtab
Many reviews say they cannot install it or download it from the store. I suspect it may be they didn't have the correct drivers.
REBOOT. In the BIOS I now had an option for Thunderbolt and made sure it was enabled.
My BIOS version is F4d
With this setup I got the control center working, and it recognized the few thunderbolt drives I had.
I have not managed to test it out with any other devices, especially thunderbolt 3 devices as I only have thunderbolt 2. I was using the Apple T3 to T2 adaptor, which is probably the best one to get.
Hope this helps someone! I was messing around for days trying to get something from this card. A bit frustrating that I had to switch PCIe slots, but I would get a d4 error and it would not boot"
We had experienced the same Results with 2nd x8 Slot. Your Results may vary. Hope all of this helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank You! I hope that PnP works for him )) I'm going to use it for external SSD connections, to download raw recordings asap.
I have: Aorus x570 xtreme (rev 1.1)
Ryzen 5950x
Titan Ridge 2.0 TB3 AIC
Im looking to get a TB3 audio interface and Im in
Between the Antelope Zen Tour SC and Apollo x4 TB3 interface. Do you know if any of these will work with my setup?
Hi N Z, Welcome! Interesting Question!
1.) Gigabyte Aorus x570 Xtreme (rev 1.1) and Ryzen 5950x CPU - Beautuful Motherboard!
www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10#kf
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2.) Gigabyte Titan Ridge 2.0 TB3 AIC
www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-20#kf
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3.) Antelope Zen Tour Synergy Core
en.antelopeaudio.com/products/zen-tour-synergy-core/
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4.) Apollo x4 TB3 interface
www.uaudio.com/audio-interfaces/apollo-x4.html
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Both are beautiful TB3 Audio Interfaces in terms of functionality. Both work with Mac or Windows. However, the Antelope Zen Tour Synergy Core can connect via Thunderbolt 3 or High-Speed USB 2.0. Aside from the differences in the I/O on each Interface, the question becomes to which Eco System do You want to invest?
You are the first to ask about the Antelope Zen Tour Synergy Core. We've had several inquirees regarding the Apollo x4 TB3 interface. Both should work on Your Computer! Hope that helps! Thanks for Sharing! Keep Us Posted on Your Decision and Progress!
BTW: We're going to be doing a Video of 2 Thunderbolt 3 Audio Interfaces. One is from UA Audio. Stay tuned!
This is what UA support sent me after I asked them if the Ryzen/Titan Ridge setup was going to work properly with the Apx4:
Thanks for updating us.
Unfortunately, we can not make a confident recommendation to use any Apollo (X4 included) on Ryzen system like this with the Titan Ridge 2.0 TB3 add-on card. Looks like a really nice and beefy PC you got there, but I'm afraid this platform with Apollo remains completely untested for hardware compatibility by our developers and engineers. The vast overwhelming majority of Thunderbolt-supported systems today use purely Intel architecture. We can't make this recommendation for you from an official UA standpoint, but you might be able to find more anecdotal information from other users using similar setups via online forums.
Im hoping there’s someone out there that’s able to confirm that UAx4 and Antelope Zen Tour Synergy Core can work smoothly with Titan Ridge on AMD Ryzen setup.
Hi@@nz1136,
Wow! Hard to describe the confidence that statement instills in a potential customer. I'll just say, that's somewhat rich and condescending. That's a cop out we've heard before all too often of Intel vs AMD. There again, we're Guinea pigs! So be it! Windows support is just that. If it works, it works!
And We still have a Video to do about DPC Latency as it relates to Audio!
We've had enough requests for the UA Audio Thunderbolt 3 interfaces. We just have not done it yet being so meticulous in our Details of documentation! Which makes this all the more pertinent as we bring the culmination of our Research together! There will be an unboxing and install Video on that! And maybe another Video or two, of that Interface, given this enlightening info you've shared. Stay tuned!
As for the Antelope Zen Tour Synergy Core, we'll give that serious thought. It was not on our radar. We've just completed a Thunderbolt 4 vs Thunderbolt 3 and USB4 Video. Then an Adobe Rendering Optimal Build Spec Formula! Exciting times to be Building a Computer! Thanks for Sharing!
BTW: What's Your Host Audio application? That may have bearing on our UA Audio Thunderbolt 3 Videos.
I appreciate your support! The DAW I use is FL Studio 20.
Currently waiting on Antelope support to let me know if is compatible with my TR TB3 setup!
Hi@@nz1136, Yes, Absolutely! Good choice. Especially for testing. Keep Us posted! Vendors just don't seem to understand customer support.
thank you for the video but i really need help putting this all together. if you can help me with a video call directly so i can show you what my issue is. i have a ibuypower gaming pc. i see some cables that resembles what you doing but i still don't know if i should unscrew an item already put in the pc. please anyone knows how to get this to work. i want it to work because i am a music producer but I'm in my beginning stage.
Hi VIKKEYSKILLEZ,
Welcome! Tell Us more about Your Computer. We can book a call.
@@BuildOrBuy thank you for the reply. I have a i5 9400F CPU. 16.0GB. This is what I see from the computer ABOUT SECTION. I bought a Presonus Quantum Studio One interface. The name of my gaming pc is Skytech Gaming from iBuypower.
Hi@@vikkeyskillez9565,
We need to know what Motherboard and Chipset You have. We first need to determine if Your System supports Thunderbolt.
@@BuildOrBuy okay. I will look it up and give u the information.
Chipset: Intel(R) 300 Series Chipset Family LPC Contoller (B365)-A2CC.
Baseboard: ASUSTek COMPUTER INC.
PRODUCT: TUF B365M-PLUS GAMING
Version: Rev X.ox
Please, anyone tell me. Model of a Used 2018 era outdated Motherboard that can use pcie nvme m.2 riser card. or has one onboard, and has a onboard capable of running a monitor to at least 2k (2560 × 1440) can live without 4 k on board [ GPU can do that ] better than = 2018. would prefer one can handle basic DDR3 which I have already my dar 2014 sucks to keep running. It is not my main it ions for redundancy and old video games.
Hi Joseph, Is the Number one requirement Thunderbolt 3 for a DDR3 Motherboard?
For the age of Motherboard, You may need a self Bifurcating M.2 card. Glotrends Sky card. We have a Video on that. The problem is the Bifurcation technology time frame vs the Motherboard.
You would route video to it if you are using a TB Hub.........
Hi Николай Черепанов,
Nice to meet You! Is that a Question or a Statement? If that's a Question, Of the 3 things Thunderbolt can do, why not directly connect the Monitor to the Video card?
Another way to think of this? How many PCIe Lanes does Your Video card use? How many PCIe Lanes does Thunderbolt 3 use? Get the point?
@@BuildOrBuy No its a statement, If I want my PC in another room away from my desk I would us a TB Hub to connect all my peripherals to my PC using said hub this includes displays. So for a hub to use a display signal you would have to connect the GPU to the AIC and then connect that AIC to the Hub if you wanted a display signal to come through the hub. When it comes to having a display far away from a PC TB is the best way to do that as we know signal integrity from copper and other metal based cables such as HDMI and DP is nowhere near as reliable at distance as and optical cables. So as in my case I want my PC off my desk and to use a hub I would connect my display to the hub, that hub to the AIC, and the AIC to my GPU to get the best signal strength and integrity for the distance.
Hi@@NikolaiCherepanov, Understand now where You're coming from. Glad that works for You. Our expectation is to keep cables as short as possible. And to keep the Computer close. Options. Thanks for sharing.
Sir Thank you for this video! Can i install that same card in a Dell Vostro 3671? I need thunderbolt to run a audio interface i just bought? I'm not sure where to plug the header cable for that. I don't see anything that says tbt on the motherboard.
Hello Uriel-Heaven's Guardian,
Welcome! Interesting Question! To quickly bring You up to speed, No TBT Header on Motherboard, No Bios Support. No Bios support means no ability to set Memory Apertures. What's that? The ability to allocate Memory for Thunderbolt Devices. Meaning? Hit or miss. The only option will be to Jump Pins 3 to 5 on the Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt AIC that would otherwise connect to the Motherboard. To reiterate, it may or may not work. But that is Your Option. Hope that helps! Otherwise, new Computer. Then You have 2 Options. 1. Add on card. 2. Built on the Motherboard. Each has pros and cons. Thoughts?
@@BuildOrBuy 🤯🤯 I need a computer geek as a friend. I love the customization of PC computers but this is on of the reasons I like Apple computers. I never had these issues.
Thank you for your response sir I really appreciate it.
Hello@@uriel-heavensguardian8949,
Solving Problems and Providing Solutions! Try it and see what happens!
Dear Sir , Your video is really interesting .Nevertheless: i am not already able to understand the reason to use this item : Please : let me humbling explain : as a humble musician and his computer of the modern era , I haven' t already understand what I could do with this device ; i am on the way to learn and install and use mac pro and its logic pro software host ; please : may I ask You what is this important device all people love to appreciate and use ?
Best Reagrds and Happy New Year
Hi John Georgio, Good question. Knowing what We know about Audio / Music and Computer technology, We too wonder why the affinity with an Interface. Thunderbolt is sexy. Intel did a good job of overselling and under delivering... Those that want it, want to know how to make it work so they can use it. And they want it now! Thunderbolt 3 is just a stepping stone to do 3 things.
We need to do another video to talk about all of that. But not until after we Review 2 Thunderbolt 3 Audio interfaces.
To Your Question, as a Musician, You might want to use a particular Audio interface that just happens to require Thunderbolt 3 to connect. And we have a few Subscribers hoping to do just that. So we show how. And demonstrate what it takes. Simple. Hope that helps. Happy New Year to You too!
All we need to see is how can we use Thunderbolt 3!!!! Not alternative for USB. Thunderbolt was designed for DOCK STATION!!! So, please, would you connect your Laptop to PC, within Thunderbolt 3, in order to use PC's resources? For example, a laptop with i5, no graphic card , using PC's graphic card :)
Hi Mihai Sava,
You have a misconception about Thunderbolt 3. Thunderbolt was designed for Connectivity! We have to get Thunderbolt 3 working on a Desktop before we can start Connecting Devices. And that's coming up!
1.) A Laptop to Desktop would only be a Network Connection.
2.) Thunderbolt 3 does 3 things.
A.) Route Video
B.) Route Power
C.) Device Connectivity.
Device Connectivity is the only one that makes sense. We will be showing 2 Audio interfaces and 4 Data Devices. Two of which we have shown and will show again as it relates to another Device newly updated by another Vendor.
To reiterate, a Laptop to Desktop would only be a Network Connection. Sharing Resources through a Docking Station to a Laptop or to a Desktop is either one, not both simultaneously.
Example - CalDigit TS3 Plus is a Docking Station. Whatever Resources are in a Docking Station, those can be shared with either Computer but not both at same time.
CalDigit TS3 Plus
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If the external Thunderbolt Device has a Video card within that box, then that x16 Video card can be shared on x4 PCIe Lanes through Thunderbolt 3. Not ideal but doable. Not practical either. Hope this clarification helps! We will address this in an upcoming Video!
For more info: thunderbolttechnology.net/tech/faq
@@BuildOrBuy Hi Gill, Thank you for reply. Please, would you help us to share data from Thunderbolt 3 to external PCI Express on which would be installed an external GPU?
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Jesus Christ...1h video for something that could have taken 5 min
Hi Teknik IE,
With all of the problems We've had with Thunderbolt Drivers and Firmware, We'll have to agree to disagree on that point. Appreciate Your Comments. Thanks for Watching!
@@BuildOrBuy no worries mate! Thanks for your input in the matter
Hi@@TeknikIE, Thank You for taking the time to watch! Thunderbolt has been a bear to make operational. We've been meticulous in Our documentation for that reason.
Stop saying enumerate. Please.
Hi Fester, How would You define the process? It is what it is. I believe Intel used that term during Our Reseller Training Meetings. And Microsoft echoed those sentiments during Our Discussions about the HAL - Hardware Abstraction Layer during TechNet briefings. We have shortened the syntax from BUS Enumeration since this process occurs on both the Hardware and Software side. Same applies to USB cache when full and USB no longer works. This process has been constant and consistent for some time. For Windows, since Windows 95. Same applies to Thunderbolt devices as devices have to counted and accounted for to read Vendor ID and Device ID. To state all of that gets wordy. We like to keep it simple.
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Hi@@Fester_, Not inclusive enough of the process. Details matter. Thank You.
@@BuildOrBuy It's been a pleasure. Thanks for the upload. My Titan-Ridge 2.0 is due on Thursday - if it makes it across the Irish sea.
Hi@@Fester_, Likewise! Let's hope that arrives safely! Congrats! BTW: What Motherboard are You using?