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The cutting of stone in Egypt was their greatest technological feat. Thank you for coming back to this with your latest content. After going to Egypt a few times now, another big question I have is why did they cut so many square “test pits”? Around the great pyramid there are so many huge square “test pits” filled with rubbish. My question isn’t how they cut them because they seem to cut stone like butter but why make them square?? If it was just a test then why go to the trouble to make them square? That’s a really hard and redundant way to dig a hole 🤔 Keep up the good work mate, I wish you all the success in the future.
Thanks for the excellent video, Ben! Something I keep pondering is if the Ankh was modeled after a cutting tool used by the ancient builders, maybe ultrasonic or some unknown tech? The Ankh became revered as a symbol of power, because what it was modeled after was once an actual tool of power? Also the famous "lightbulb" could have been a king sized (sorry, pharaoh sized! 😁) version used to slice large blocks of granite?
I think you're at the point where you could fund an experiment. Commission Yousef and build some scale fly wheel grinding implements, you have patrons who would help with something like this. Even if you can't get results that resemble the scoops it would make an excellent academic study... Actually you could probably find a professor to help and get grant money if you word things conservatively
I think that the scoop marks were made by a tool that used either fluid or air impregnated with an abrasive material sort of like a bead blaster or pressure washer. The reason I think this is because the scoop marks seem to be rounded at the bottom of the grooves and they seem to have striations that are perpendicular to the scoop mark that could be from an irregular feed rate or differences in the hardness of the material. I tend to lean toward it being from the hardness of the material because those perpendicular striations seem to span across multiple scoop marks. A tool like this could explain the undercutting as the head of it could be very flexible. The regularity of the marks seems to indicate something mechanical as opposed to a manual process. I really tend to believe that it was a fluid of some kind, a slurry. Of course if you look at the way that headstones are made today they just used a sand blaster with a rubber or silicone masking layer. To me it is fairly plausible that it could have been done with compressed air but like I said, I tend to think it was a liquid slurry. While I have experience in robotics and machining I have never personally worked much with stone but that is what I think. Pass the idea around to some of your stone working buddies and see what they think. I really don't think that the scoops were made by a machine cutting tool because of the lack of chattering and other mechanical looking tool marks. I also think that you are right on when it comes to overlapping accounting for differences in width or perhaps the distance of a nozzle from the substrate possibly because of the articulation of a machine. On another note, I have done some core drilling thorough concrete while working as an electrician and I am absolutely amazed at how good those people were at core drilling those incredibly hard materials and the incredible polish on some of the holes. Even with modern machinery some of those holes would have been one hell of a job.
All the evidence you need that its not pounders, is that the site's caretakers have no fear of damage being done to the site by tourists using all the pounding-stones laying around. I would even be so sure those are pounding-stones and not stone ball-bearings.
@@420today I tried to watch their vid about the Serapeum. It was painful, not just because of the constant ridiculing of alternative ideas, but also the constant “aliens/Atlantis, hahahahaha” childish dialogue. Just present your own theories, without trying to belittle others, or get views off of other researchers’ theories. People like me just find certain megalithic sites fascinatingly wonderous and would like to explore that curiosity without ridicule. However, I’m still open minded. It just makes me realise more and more, that NOBODY TRULY KNOWS, and I’m convinced that there is a whole chunk, maybe more of our history that has been lost.
Some of the best evidence I've seen that this stuff wasn't done by pounding hard rocks with harder rocks is the fact that tens of thousands of tourists have had a go at a boulder with a dolomite pounding rock every single year....and the rocks remain more or less completely unchanged.
@@calebmills7086 even if it was just pounding (assuming they weren't made into hammers of some kind) they probably had a technique to make it more efficient.
@@calebmills7086 lol. I wasn't saying you couldn't do it, I'm also the only person that thumbbed up your comment, calm down there "bud". Love how overly agressive people on the internet are.
My golf course moved a sand trap on the dogleg sixth hole. I was one of the 500 volunteers, we moved the grains of sand using needlenose pliers. The work took 14 months but I really felt privileged to be part of the task.
They made 16 a dogleg so the general didn't have to fix his slice. When we built a bunker on one amazed how many truck loads of dirt was needed even then seemed a little dinky
I would ask them "how long has this specific tour been given? And then I'd ask them "why hasn't any new scoop marks formed by all the tourists that have come through and tried this themselves?"
Ben definitely brings a great presentation. It doesn’t have to be aliens but mainstream archaeologists must start over again on our timeline, etc…. THANKS
"Ancient Aliens" is my favourite comedy channel. Having said that, to use one of their stock phrases, "you have to wonder" whether the ET narrative is deployed on purpose to create a smokescreen to hide genuine human technology/civilisation. (By the same token contemporary UFO lore is used to hide current human antigravity technology IMO...)
Many years ago I had a teacher whose family found out that two paintings they had were almost certainly from a semi-famous Dutch painter, (can’t remember name). While all of the proof said it was from that painter and off the record other art historians would agree the main expert would not sign off on it. Because the primary wouldn’t say they were from that artist neither would any other because to do so would be career suicide even if they were right. I have come to discover many parts of the sciences follow the same modes which is why you don’t see changes in the mainstream.
No, that goes against the narrative and you will be shuned from the science community if you say otherwise so keep saying they built things with only copper tools and they are 4000 years old.
This was very helpful especially the LIDAR and close-up images. I think the answer is the work was done using the pounding stones but not always by holding them in two hands and hammering or bouncing them as everyone seems to want to do. Rather, excavation and removal of large amounts of stone was most likely done using force multipliers that smashed or swung the pounding stones into the granite or other stone surface. This would account for the broken pounding stones at Aswan, the layout of the scoop marks, the deep holes that barely fit a person (logs with pounding stones on their tips were dropped into them?), the undercutting or scoops on side walls (swing setup), the linear vertical marks on quarry walls (a series of logs hung from a beam along the cut?), the high ridges on some scoops (where the pounding device had an oblique swing action), etc. We need to keep in mind that wood and rope don’t last thousands of years out in the open so that explains why they aren’t found in these old rock quarries. Also, humans have known how to attach stone to wood for tens of thousands of years. And they’ve built siege machines out of wood ever since the first stone fortifications were constructed. So it makes total sense they would use wood and rope to create devices that could smash a pounding stone much harder and more accurately into a block of rock than could be done using the two-handed dressing approach used for smoothing surfaces. For example, the trenches around the unfinished obelisk were perhaps dug by hanging an overhead beam along the cut and attaching a series of logs that can be raised using ropes and then dropped from a certain height. No skill, great strength, ungodly endurance, etc. would be required to apply a great deal of force and accuracy with each drop of these “pounding logs”. Given enough logs the entire length of the trench could be worked at the same time by a small work crew. They’d probably be more expert in rigging and carpentry than masonry. I’m sure just about any group of dedicated quarry workers can experiment and come up with a myriad of useful setups once they realize the mechanical advantages that wood, rope, etc. can provide over hand pounding. This could explain why similar, though not exactly the same, type of pounding marks can be found at megalithic sites across the world.
@user-ch7oj9rz7t There would be two steps, first the "scoops" formed by the swinging action of the pounding logs, then regular pounding by hand to smooth the ridges and take down the high spots.
@flightmizzarc No because it is a log which is swinging from a beam. So the accuracy of each strike is very good. There is certain mass and velocity for each stone type that produces a significant fracture on the surface plane without deeper damage ... based on my limited testing I estimate around 50 pound log swung from about 3 feet for most hard rocks. The pounding stone can actually be set loose in the "scoop" most of the time which is how I think the cutting was mainly done (except undercuts where the stone obviously must be affixed to the log). So the pounding stone is sort of pushed along from scoop to scoop, and the logs are in a line all swinging from the main beam. This bean is itself a large log which is rolled back and forth for each pass as the cut is deepened.
The interesting thing about this is that they look around and see what tools are available to determine how things were done. I have done carpentry for years, and I don't need to see the tool to know exactly what tools were used and what methods were applied based on the work that I see... This is like finding an old wood ship and there is a small hand saw next to it. Then coming to the conclusion they built the whole ship with a 12" handsaw... Even though there are holes that were obviously drilled with pegs securing other pieces of wood together
No. It is more like, they have established a narrative, and falsely educated the entire world of that narrative. They fear that when we realize that they have lied to us, we will realize that they have no special knowledge, thus, losing their status and power.
Just found your series on Egypt and ancient tech. As someone who believes we still have not recovered all the knowledge lost in the library of Alexandria, I really am entertained and appreciate your work. Took a trip to Machu Picchu a while back, the layers just scream that we've lost extremely useful building tech, just so hard to say when and why. So disappointing knowing our horrifically expensive structures have lifespans in the 10's of years.
' So disappointing knowing our horrifically expensive structures have lifespans in the 10's of years.' Seems like you missed a different video from a few weeks back. They found the reason that Roman concrete lasts so long, it was more poorly made. When you finely grind the particles, they almost all get used up. When the particles are more coarse and cracks form in the concrete, the bigger chunks get wet, move into the crack, and heal the cracks. Everyone thought it was a different or better mix, and really it was just 'don't grind it so finely, in a specific way'. Expect much longer lasting concrete to be developed soon. Modern concrete heals tiny cracks as well in the same way, but it can only do very tiny cracks. The bigger chunks in the Roman concrete are what allows it to heal so much better and even heal larger starting cracks.. Fairly recent video on TH-cam, so if you start searching Roman concrete you should find it quickly.
@@scottwalker2038 ' two ingredients ' Those aren't the reason for it lasting. The larger grain sizes allow it to heal larger initial starting cracks than modern concrete, so it takes much longer for them to progress. Shouldn't take long to find the video from the Italian university that did the study, and they explained it quite well.
Thank you for showing the stereo image in its original format. Most people are unaware that a lot of photographs taken from that time period were in fact true stereo(3D) photographs captured using a stereo camera with two offset lenses to capture the depth effect that we percieve by having binocular vision. Your videos are a wealth of information with meaningful insight which is greatly appreciated.
This site is by far the most significant for finally getting the answers as to how they were able to accomplish what they did. You can see evidence of the entire construction process on every part of this obelisk, from quarrying all the way down to refinement. Those marks definitely created by some sort of pressing system but to generate that much force to penetrate the ground that hard it would take way more than anything humans are capable of, even if you had thousands of them. For some kind of chainsaw-like machine, which is most likely how they did this, they would need some way to get the up/down motion to generate a high enough RPM to create the friction/heat required to break through the rock. It'd also need to be incredibly heavy to push into the granite hard enough to break it. Even if they didn't possess some lost power-drill technology, it would still take a tremendous amount of intelligence and expert knowledge of masonry, construction and science to achieve, evidently beyond what we're able to comprehend even now. One thing is for sure, regardless of whether they possessed some kind of machinery or not, they were way more technologically advanced than they are given credit for. That is not up for debate, they were most definitely NOT primitive.
The scoop marks, concavities, long and short ridges, curvatures underneath the obelisk totally remind me of marks and features left by a sandblaster in the investment material as dental castings are cleaned. This must have been a large, powerful, automated one with rotating blast nozzles pretty much serving the same purpose as a 3 axis milling machine. Who knows.
So you think ancient civilizations had sand blasters? That’s a more advanced technology than the pneumatic drill or rock saw, either of which would be about 1000 times more efficient. Why not simply wood and rope? Tie a rock to the end of a small log, swing it from the rope with a good wallop into the granite. Repeat a few thousand times in a day, with a bounce off the granite and some rhythm timing could even be tolerable (maybe the crew sang and danced as they swung their pounding logs?).
Going to drop this in the discussion. Perhaps a percussion tool suspended from a tripod lift lifted and dropped in one spot. The channels removed indicate the maximum deflection of guides in the target area. The device could be a massive stone cylinder or square fitted to hang by rope and the strike end to be possibly fitted with wax to hold a dolomite strike tip. The crew would then position the tripod over the target, raise the 500 or 1000 lb "torpedo" and drop it onto the granite surface. A worker would then clear stone chips and dust away. This seems to be in step with advanced stone age technology and expert knowledge of material strengths. It replaces the single worker with a simple machine and the crew, a single trained and knowledgable manager over a crew of limited expertise. The tripod, rope, wax, stone are all knowledges the ancient Egyptian culture possessed. As for the undercut, the striker could have been positioned to hit a perpendicular shaft also with dolomite tip. Crew in trench resets striker each time possibly. Finish work with dolomite pounders then done by single workers; artisans and sculptors then work to finish.
That seems plausible actually. A better explanation than workers with pounding stones. Also, after a shallow ditch was formed, wood could be thrown in and a fire set. Then, rapidly cooled with water would make the granite degrade some and easier to pound and chip out using the method you described. It would be worth exploring by engineers........
Good angle. I had something similar in mind, maybe with logs as weights. But - the moment it doesn't just go straight down but needs some sort of guide with maximum deflection angles, that have to extend several meters into the cleared trench or hole - the question pops up, why not just drop it straight down, when you have the clearance above?
Seems pretty plausible. Something like a pile drive with the pounding stone at the end. Could have added weigths for more punding force if neccesary. Animals could be used to raise the hammer. It seems more in line with the technology available at the time.
I want to know what was going on back then so damn bad. We can find those scoop marks ALL ACROSS THE WORLD. I don't get how this doesn't get more attention because It's blatant evidence that something mind blowing was going on back then.
@@killilluminati40 has to.. This shit combined with modern knowledge would make unlocking the atom nothing but a minor bump in our development. Harmony, resonance, vibrations ect. We usually think of sound when we think of these things. But the truth is it could make it possible for a hobby electrician to build a time machine in his back yard. Harmonic resonance could be at the core of the mystery of the delayed force we call gravity. Fucking with this is an easy way to break the universe. Better stay clear for now. We ain't ready to rediscover this in a modern context. When we are ready we will, no matter what anyone does to keep it hidden. So fear not
@@pjeng1 : How about my suggestion? The scoop marks on the stone at the left of the obelisk were made by workmen to move cement concrete to build the obelisk. Those scoop marks on the obelisk were made by workmen to remove extra concrete from the obelisk. In short, the obelisk was not a solid stone cut to shape; but rather it was a poured cement concrete; and possible with a crumb of small bricks cemented together with cement concrete.
The marks look like a hot ice cream scoop carved into butter. So interesting. Lost technology / machinery 100%. Amazing video. So thorough. I rewound many times to absorb. Thank you so much for this and all of your other videos!
Yes looks just like Ice cream that was scooped . So the rock was obviously the consistency of ice cream back then . Which makes you wonder how it did not melt ? So then we can conclude it was scooped during the time of snowball earth .
@@Mk101T Let's say they had worked out a way to temporarily soften the surface of the granite with some kind of reaction, in which case a lot of this work we see makes a lot more sense on how it was achieved.
Unchartedx, your channel is PERFECT! Excellent content, excellent video footage, excellent narration... I LOVE that you include subtitles when Yousef speaks as it makes everything so much easier to understand everything! Thank you very much for your hard work!!!
I think they found a solution to soften stone, noticing all the scoop marks - not only here - but all over the world! Great work as always Ben! Thankyou!
@Craig Roop I think that they have the technology to soften the stone, just like a metal, with enough temperature you can mold a metal whatever you like and then the metal will turn back to its original state. The idea of softening a stone is not impossible in terms of technology.
@@234bagsakan The technology required to soften stone is beyond our understanding given what we know about stone. If you heat stone it crumbles when it cools so you can't use heat, if you use chemicals or acid it dissolves so you can't use that either. Sound waves and ultrasound can break stone up but you cannot put it back together afterwards which means we don't have the technology but there is plenty of evidence to show that we did have it one time.
Birds peck deep holes in sheer cliffs using shreds of a multicolored plant to chemically dissolve the stone. takes several days for two birds to make a home for their eggs and nesting.. think outside the box. the lessons of nature are vast and wide.
Consider this. If you left a machine shop untouched, how long before everything would have rusted, rotted, dissolved, returned to the earth for lack of a better way to describe it. You see obvious machining techniques but not a single machine, just the stones they machined, or the earth. How many years to return every machine needed to build these things back to dust leaving only the stones they cut? The stones do not return since they are earth already. That would be the age of these things.
Most stuff from our iron Industrial Age 100 years ago is pretty much gone unless preserved by us. Who ever did the “big” work in Egypt probably reached somewhat of an iron Industrial Age themselves
It's more likely any metal machinery or tooling will have been recycled over time. All metals require mining and/or refining, most are very beneficial to us - making them valuable materials throughout history including today.
And considering the Younger Dryas boundary event might have caused a global cataclysm, then from 12,000 yrs ago to now it seems only logical that there is nothing left of machinery at all. And if anything had survived the event it was most certainly scavenged long long ago.
@@TheEarl777 I hate when they say there’s no evidence of that but we do have evidence it’s just related to a different field. Warfare shows we scavenge anything and everything if it’s worth it even if it’s not we’d recycle the materials. Also warfare shows technology is taken to be reverse engineered. I have a far fetch theory but I believe the giant 50,000 ton metal hammer presses from the turn of the century in Germany were quite possibly ancient tech someone found and either rebuilt or reverse engineered and rebuilt.
The dolerite balls were for moving the slabs, similar to the way the thunder stone was moved. Of course you'll find thousands of these in the quarry. That's exactly what you would expect. The problem is they've leapt to the conclusion that they were used for pounding and quarrying.
The rocks are way too big for that. They are pounding stone size and they seem to fit the pounding marks and scoops. So they were most likely used for pounding. But not necessarily using hands … more likely attached to some sort of contraption made from wood and rope. The pounding device would have hung above the work surface and consistently dropped or swung into the same impacts area which seems to explain the odd features and layout of the pounding marks. This would have also allowed for most of the work to take place above and not inside the trench or hole.
The balls, being low tech, were used by later lower tech societies in their smaller scale quarrying at the site. Any society that could lift and transport 1000 ton single pieces had some serious technological capabilities that wouldn't involve inefficient pounding.
@@pencilme1n The obelisk itself has pounding marks though they appear in a strange shape as scoops. Why is it not possible that they did use the balls but not hand pounding rather some "lost technology" (maybe wood beams and rope to slam the pounding stones into the rock using a swinging motion)? That same wood and rope technology would then be used to help move the large stones. That's how the Greeks, Romans and others did it later to move heavy stones.
@@tomszabo7350 If pounding marks appear as a strange shape such as a scoop, then they are not pounding marks. You don't produce glass-like surfaces in granite by swinging rocks at it. If all the ancient Egyptian stonework including 20 million tons at the Giza plateau was to be pounded by hand into shape they would still be at it today.
Imagine the debris from pounding rock that would be shot into the workers’ eyes, especially when working on overhangs! Clearly, archeologists have no idea yet how this work was done in antiquity.
I think it was water man, they used lots of water to float the rocks and help in the carving, imagine just build one canal that leads to the carving site, there you can create corridors and stuff to move these things, im sire they used to carve too, i could be totally wrong
"Clearly, archeologists have no idea yet how this work was done in antiquity" - but you have? It's so easy to blame someone, but it's so difficult to do it with proven arguments, right? I've also no idea how this was done, but well - i guess u also dont have, right? So... What is your comment about? It was done somehow as the evidence show, how we maybe never know. But blaming someone to don't know things if you yourself don't know anything more isn't any better.
I whole heartedly concur, all info and no filler. It is rare these days to find videos of this quality, especially about subjects that I want to know more about. So far all of UnchartedX's content has been excellent and very informative.
I’ve been in the granite countertop industry for 15 plus years. I’ve worked with all types of stone. It’s incredibly hard any way you got at it. Today diamond blades and core it’s are used. I’ve spent years wondering what they had to do this with. And not just Egypt. I appreciate your research.
the scoop marks look like the marks you see in caves with lots of flowing water. do you think its possible, as you've worked with granite , that it could have been cut with high pressure water cutting with an abrasive added. also the pits either side could be sumps to retrieve the water .its just a guess .
The Dendara "lightbulb" is also a scoop shape on the flat side, perhaps also showing what superheats it. If you could superheat a wire to cut granite like butter, would it leave a scorch mark?
Imagine having only this tech to spend decades or centuries pounding away but then find a way to effortlessly lift and transport 1100 tons hundreds of miles.
Many reasons why. Perhaps because there is conjecture after conjecture after conjecture by the narrator. Perhaps because of ignorance of arrogance and not acknowledging the limits of one's knowledge. There's a reason "academics," as he puts it, work with research that can be verified. An absence of evidence does not immediately imply evidence of existence.
An impediment in our thought processes is to first start with the granite as the objective. 1) It would be interesting to identify a scheme for how to produce similar scoop marks with various selected tools, but by initially ignoring the hardness of the underlying material worked on. Eg. start with a large block of wood, and say, use adzes of various shapes and designs to confirm how an efficient mode of digging down through the material would produce similar scoop marks. Then it would a matter of speculation on a different dimension, how this might have been applied to harder material. 2) Re: the vertical or horizontal lines of scoop marks, I can imagine a machine that would have used those dolomite balls either loosely flailing against the stone walls or being forced to vibrate or otherwise slam against the walls at high frequency, possibly under high air pressure and volume; or fast upward flowing water as this would lift and jostle the balls more easily. This would have enabled flushing out the rock dust while excavating into the granite. Would this approach leave scoop marks? Again, it would be left to speculate on how such a machine could be powered. We have yet to find *any* evidence of a powered machine in use from such a distant past.
@@raysalmon6442 This sounds extremely feasible, even without under standing the power source but high pressure water jet cutting is logical and the combination of a ball mill that has some sort of open face to the rock surface... you could also envisage a super sized dentists drill/grinder. Just brainstorming from our know systems.
It would be interesting to examine the skeletal remains of supposed quarry workers. They should show some signs of the repetitive banging of stones if that is the case. Work like that leaves evidence in your very bones.
Absolutely it does. The skeletons of English archers bear the evidence of prolonged, repetitive motion, and it's effects on the human body. They began training as youngsters, as I'm sure Egyptian youngsters were trained early on in the arts of stone masonry. We should certainly see this physical evidence in the mighty masons of Egypt also. Archeologists will hopefully find the "Rosetta Stone" of ancient engineering and answer a lot of questions. It's there, they just haven't found it yet.
@@Shadolife which 'egyptian' youngsters are you talking about? the advanced society that preceded the dynastic egyptians, or the later, less sophisticated egyptians ? (eg. ones that chiseled uneven glyphs onto advanced stone work or built mud brick pyramids)
@@ghostrider-be9ek when I say young "Egyptians" I am referring to the dynastic Egyptians, the ones we have name for. The previous civilization(perhaps more than one), as of yet, have no name that I know. I've heard Brien Foerster refer to them with a name I can't recall.
It looks a lot like when a body of water is drained after dredging by a diver. It’s like if the material was softened and just removed. It’s incredible how this isn’t questioned more.
I went there last June and asked how they got it into a boat for transport, how dolomite was able to carve granite, and other basic common sense questions about MOHS hardness scale and stuff and my guide got visibly infuriated at me and refused to engage with the rest of the tour
Cheers again Ben, and fully with you on your comments in the last few minutes, on how a radical reviewing of our ancient past, can arguably re-write the collective stories our current civilisation operates by.
Imagine if the ancients could see the whole world in mystery as to how they built everything back then I bet they would find it hilarious it was probably so simple for them
True! Why the heck no one is talking about what they knew about physics mainly gravity?! If they could pick up 12ton obelisk it’s quite obvious that they could build really huge structure with some kind of granite pile with rounded end which was pounding the place what they want thats why we got rounded scoops. All they used was great brains, materials which they know about and huge structures/machines.
@@chriss9177 there's no reason to believe that it was left unfinished because it was hard. The reason to abandon the project could be completely unrelated. Maybe a war, or famine or whim of the Pharoah.
I've been in construction for the last 20 years and have been on the smart end of a jackhammer or chipping hammer more hours than I would like. Watching those people smashing into the granite have the benefit of hitting a highpoint, trying to snap it off. Same with the scoop marks. If these guys were in there all day for years, you are going to be hitting those high points removing as much material per "whack" as possible....
Can't somehow imagine pounding away with dolomite rocks to dig out a massive granite block out? Erm! These people would have blisters on top of blisters before the hour. Try it yourself 😆 🤣 😂 in the baking hot sun and heat..Can't believe it myself..but who am I to say?
The "chainsaw"-like mechanism is very compelling. We know they had drill-like tools which are not far from the chainsaw in concept. Both are rotating tools used differently. What bugs me is the fact that there is no writings, references, stories on those tools used all around the world with the same scoop marks found, not even teaching documents meant for the workers, etc. Very interesting video.
I hear ya. You would think that since it was such an elaborate effort on their part and obviously a critical element in their culture that there would at least be some murals or something depicting the construction of some of these pyramids and temples.
Imagine a Solar EMP now and trying to open a PDF manual on your Stihl tomorrow, then give it, say 1,000 years for all the parts of it and your iPad to become dust and, well how very entitled of you to to be bugged that people of the past never invented English in advance and chiseled it in rock so that you can reinvent plastics and send it in a time machine ? The actual word in English you're fishing for, might, be Lore ... not 'writings'. You're presumably also bugged by people who can speak Welsh but decline to speak English ? You're victim of a fallacy of your own myopic creation ... look it up.
Ancient oral traditions in Egypt place both the pyramids and much of the megalithic granite work tens of thousands of years in the past. As those cultures did not leave written records, and that those records, if they existed, and their tools, were lost in a cataclysm that halted megalithic work all over the world as though it was interrupted in mid-effort, it makes sense that the later dynastic Egyptians would have no knowledge of such tools and methods, and would leave no records of them in their own writings and paintings.
I would find much more plausible that the pounding rock was used as a tip of a battering ram log that was dropped and hoisted up for another drop. Doing it by hand would be insane, like hammering nails holding iron cylinder in your fist.
@@user-jap84tlv24sqno, but at least for the vertical ones you could quite easily create a mechanical advantage with the most primitive of materials, tools and knowledge
This is why I wouldn't use this as an example to argue ancient Egyptians having better tech than we give them credit for, I'd point to the precision works and overcuts/tubedrill holes.
Imagine watching that machine being used. What did it look like? how was it powered? what was it made of? While the evidence for this technology screams at us until we find even a small piece of this technology the naysayers will continue to hurl their dolerite balls in our faces. Where did it go and who were the peoples who possessed it? A very thought provoking piece as always Ben. Thanks for sharing.
I agree one hundred percent. But after at least 12000 yrs ( considering the younger dryas boundary event was the civilisation ending cataclysm) there wouldn’t be anything left. And I’m sure if there was it would have been scavenged long ago. Or smashed up for its usable components such as any metals
@@TheEarl777 I believe that some remnants, some pieces still exist buried in a chamber hidden by sand. If you read Graham Hancock your know that he specifys a date of 10400 at the date of the zep tepi (although I disagree with this date for many reasons) and given the reverence of this technology (The tools of the gods?) I believe that the hunt for the lost tools of the Gods must continue. Thanks for sharing 👍
Could have just been a really tall wooden frame that they tired a ball to and dropped repeatedly. As for th3 upside down part, small ramp at the bottom
I love things like this with megaliths and lost technology, and you have such a wonderful storytelling voice so it's absolutely wonderful to listen to!
agree they make for great storytelling and conjecture it would be awesome if there was some hard evidence. it sell a lot of books and documentaries. i for one love watching hoping one day i will be convinced.
It did have a fault in it, it was cracked. Why do you think they abandoned it and covered it up? We have the same problem today, we just include a 30% waste factor in the price.
@@r2dxhate not sure it was covered up on purpose, mosre "well thats useless, lets mine over there" and centuries of dumping waste and sandstorms and stuff did the rest
Have you or anyone else measured the radial curve of the "scoop marks"? If the curve is the same, even if the size is not, it could provide evidence against the pounding stones
I would - if not done many tmes already - examen the dust in the bottom of the deepest holes. It can probably tell a lot about, how it was made - hammering would result in different dust than grinding or "digging"..
Well, what I see is where an excavator dug out a mountain, down to bedrock. Then, then they used their battery oscillator to do the precision cuts. I'm just saying what I'm seeing, how I would do it.
The other thing about the "scoop marks" they were removing material, not finishing it. The bottom of a dolerite pounder (sphere) for all intents and purposes is a point. The point that contacts the granite would cause a dimple rather than a smooth out scoop that looks finished. I own an underground hard rock gold mine and the material that we are Drilling in and Blasting is andesite. When we find a pocket of gold we need high RPM air powered water cooled Diamond tip chainsaws to get the gold out there's no other way. When you get to rock that is a hardness of 6 or better there's just no manual way to actually have really much effect on it at all
I was never able to accept the horror of both frustration and body destruction involved in spending a whole actual workshift doing stone poundering. Unbelievably tedious for countless lifetimes per block. Ridiculous
So your point of saying all that is the probability of ancient Egyptians using some form of advanced powered tool. Was that so hard to imply it straight on? Or to avoid the attention of conspiracists?
it's interesting, I don't see scoop marks, i see pressure washing hollows. And something like this could work in any direction including from underneath.
That was exactly my thought as well. especially the under cut part. I picture water/sand/stones washing into the trench toward the obelisks hitting the wall and going up the wall and rolling back on itself creating that "scoop". Along with the changing angles not from a digger arm rotating around a stationary machine, but aquaduct of some sort moving around a stationary water source built high up on scaffolding to create pressure. Sure would be interesting if all this "ancient lost tech" "alien tech" ect was just clever use of water.
Note: acidic liquids and solids can eat through granite, leaving behind the look of etched glass. Some popular items that cause the most damage to granite stone are wine, Vinegar, mustard, oil, citrus products. So maybe they use this method to soften the granite.
Very much my thinking. They may not have had any theories of chemistry worth a damn, but they certainly seem to have had plenty of empirical experience, as is shown by the chemicals used in embalming. It wouldn't surprise me to find that they knew of acids and alkalis, and how to make them interact con/destructively.
There's a red leafed succulent plant that grows into and pits granite, its native to peru and Egypt, I'm sure mixing it with wine or vinegar could produce a liquid to soften the granite.
@@ronnierush9379 to have any kind of piping that would withstand the pressures required, they would need materials that there’s no evidence of, and that would have been much easier to use to just physically chisel out the stone. Those water cutters use pressure’s in the 10,000’s-100,000’s of psi, and powdered abrasives like garnet. Those things can chew through hardened steel without much fuss. To make a machine that could carve those scoops would require exponentially more energy than even our modern ones use, because of how much wider those scoops are, compared to the cut thickness of our water cutters.
They simply set fires on the granite. And after awhile the granite/rock becomes very fragile and you can take chunks off. Granite can't really take fire that good, it will crumble. No liquids. Just plain old fire. Look it up.
The idea of using fire to weaken the granite is interesting. You mentioned the need to clean the resulting "mud" from the surface of the granite before "pounding" it but actually, ash and water don't produce mud, they produce lye. I just looked it up and hot lye can be used to assist in cutting granite with significant advantages, so there could be something there. Probably not with the pounding stones in the way described, but it seems plausible that it could have been part of a far more effective method. Anyway, incredible work as always! Thank you for these documentaries. They are the best around, hands down.
The problem with chemicals like lye, is that they will mark the stone, weaken the surface layer allowing weathering at a much faster rate, and weaken the structure built from the material as the leftover chemicals would leach into the stone. Such is also extremely corrosive to bare skin.
As I've mentioned before.. my view is that the "pounding stones" were used as bearings/rollers to move large stone blocks, not to cut through the rock. Obviously it is possible they were also used to scrape and smooth surfaces too. EDIT: Ben mentions that "it has been mentioned" that they could have been used as bearings at 40:00 ish.. Great video, interesting thoughts on the scoop marks.
The lines shown at 50:38 seem to indicate working vertically from the top - in a straight line - and perhaps dictated by the local topology, as not all lines shown are parallel/dead vertical - even if dolerite was used as a shaping stone , was it mounted on (long gone) wooden rams, etc.?
@@mnomadvfx Note the lines off vertical (c. 70 degrees slope) occur in a hump to the right, I was thinking of workers standing on the hump using an auger type device (made of wood/stone which wouldn't differ too much from some of their drawings - which were largely symbolic, apparently, not literal, but they had wooden figurines depicting similar, too).
There was a long "electrode" that was lowered into the granite as it "vibrated loose" the granite into particles which were simultaneously vacuumed out. What you are calling "scoop marks" are just the imprints of the shape of the tip ends of the electrodes. Some of the "electrodes" had different shapes depending on the shape of the cut desired and were light enough to be "hand Held." Yes, sound ( very high frequency sound ) did the "cutting." Food for thought!
@john webb You are absolutely right! Sound is the power source that was used in making of the "scoop marks". Sound was also used to move the granite as well. Similar to what Ed Leidskalnin did when he built Coral Castle in Florida.
I think the issue is that we get so focused on things being done the way we’d do them, that we forget that there’s a world of possibility out there. It’s obvious they didn’t do things the way we would. We obviously cannot do this today. But that’s not to say that the ancients couldn’t do these things with what was available to them. What needs to change is our idea of how things must be done.
I agree for the most part because we are arrogant in thinking we are so much more advanced than any other. However, there is still basic facts in life. One being that in order to cut a certain hardness, you need something harder and we've yet to find in archeology digs that harder tool. I dunno? It's certainly baffling!
@@chrissnyder3430 tools that ablade or abrade. But one would assume some sort of arbor. But if its powered by water/steam, the copper/copper alloys would have Been recycled.
There's a granite quarry near where I live and it's amazing. My family is in remodeling they do alot of kitchens and work with granite so watching this is impressive. There is no way absolutely no way this type of craftsmanship was done with hammers. The rounded corners, the scoops the fact that cuts don't match the method of the narrative being pushed should be enough for the scientific community to change the "story".
They probably used some type of jig that modern woodworkers use. Remember these people had been working stone for temples and monuments for thousands of years. They just got better and more efficient over time.
How long have you worked stone with your hands to make this determination? Surely you aren't basing your judgment on the pre-made countertops installed by day laborers. Only an absolute clown would do that.
@Zack Martin you got me I'm a clown just like those lowely day laborers you look down on. I'm sure I can't grasp your intellectual superiority and understanding of stone and sculpting of those mediums either. Excuse me sir I will return to my sewer.
We must not forget the people that did these things had plenty of time on their hands, and time wasn't money. They really had nothing else to do and they had a very strong reasons for dedicating their lives to those buildings. How do we know the designers of the unfinished obelisk did not intend to cut it into blocks and move it out that way and then reconstruct it on site ?
@@WildPhotoShooter The "too much time on their hands because they didn't have Netflix" argument isn't a very strong one. It lacks any scrutiny. The issues with the accepted theories aren't constraints of time. They are physical limitations of human bodies, simple tools, and precision granite work on pieces of material weighing as much as 600 SUVs. What method do we use today to transport something weighing 600 SUVs? The heaviest load ever moved today is 4800 tons done by a 174 axel tractor trailer. The second heaviest is 1157 tons. Even today those are nightmarish tasks. These are not tiny problems that just simply become more efficient over time with a good assembly line. There are some mammoth gaps in evidence and accepted theory and we as human beings hate that.
Absolutely, they took their skills and techniques with them..but where? is a million $ question? I saw a documentary about this massive entrance they cut out and placed these massive granite boxes, how on earth was that achieved is a huge mystery
@@michaellyne8773 billy carson said something about using frequencies to lower the weight of objects significantly so you could move them easily. I think he mentioned it in the Shawn Ryan Show podcast, check it out.
You sold this engineer on the fact that they didn’t bash those scoop marks into the stone by hand. But I’d look for water, wood, rope and copper being used to move stone and sand to do the grinding. Enjoyed your vid a lot.
@21:57, the Mark Lehner video segment, in their tube drill segment there's a blue and white jar of Wright's Silver Polish setting on the same block being drilled. They had tried sand, dry then wet, neither was working. Same with the 2 man saw cut in the segment you included in this video.
Thank you for letting some of Yousef's words make it on the video. I haven't been over there and would really enjoy being on a tour with him and I think we're lucky to have a guy like that. I'm sure I don't have to tell you how few of the oral history keepers still exist. Cheers, Ben - Love the videos.
I'm not saying your wrong, but, as someone who's worked with stone my whole life, I don't think those marks are chisel marks. Anytime you use a chisel it jumps away from the stone the second you hit it, but, the marks along side the obelisk are long, continuous, and fairly straight lines. This just wouldn't happen if using a hammer and any chisel I know of. I have no idea what made those marks, but, me personally, just through experience, I'd bet against a hammer and chisel.
Paradigms are made to be exceeded. I'm an old man. When I started school there were only 48 United States and continental drift was still being debated. I witnessed the entire academic knife fight over whether birds were descended from dinosaurs and the discovery of an entirely new and alien ecosystem on the bottom of the ocean at the hydrothermal vents..not to mention Dark Matter...yeah, man, Hawass and Lehner are on their ass...
Hawass and Lehner, etc. will be remembered for their contributions of the work they've done. But time has passed now for the next generation explorers to answer those questions they left behind unanswered.
The nature of the cutting head is the key to this. Once we establish that we can work backwards through the machine required. As the scoops are smooth then there probably wasn't cutting "teeth" like you find on a saw or tunneling machine. The angle lines can be used to estimate a pivot point of the tool. In this case it would appear that the "cutting arm" was at least 25ft long. If that's true you could be talking about a machine the size of a mid size steam shovel.
@@changsangma1915 🤦♂️ erosion has rounded off the tool marks that where left there smooth texture to it all now it’s been 4000 years lol . Yes scoop marks but when they abandoned it because it broke in half it did not !! Look like it looks now . No need to be nasty it’s a debate not an attack Seesh
buddy,, this is a world wide happening, not just fkn egypt..even china has them.. ask a stone mason, what cuts diarite & grinite. he,ll say diamond. well,,, the tools they used were far harder than diamond. more like lazer.. no human built these structures, world wide, at the same time, .. work it out..theres 250,000 blocks,+, in 1 pyramid, plus, all the main construction inside. it was done in 20 yrs,,haaaahh,, bs.. some of that granite came from 500 miles away.. not humanly possible, its a fkn joke.. the slabs around the pyramid, weigh hundreds of tons each. as flooring..if the egyptians built them, then why do they live in tents & ride camels..not huge granite condo,s.. fake,bs..
Not only getting it out of there, but not breaking it on it's long trip to it's final destination. THEN, not breaking it while putting it up. Just crazy to think since we have all been taught that they were "simple savage types" growing up. They obviously had much better techniques than we think they did. People back then didn't do much for no real reason, it's not like they had TV shows to watch or anything :)
@@JohnGriffin-tx7yy This is actually a solid point. The obelisk in Rome weighed 400 tons. They transported that from Egypt to Rome..... So that's 400 tons. Ok. But what about 1000+ tons? There are remnants of statues that would have weighed that much. And there are giant blocks weighing 1000 tons in the quarry. And how did they cut it, granite, to such precision that only machinery seems to be capable of, not their primitive tools? Still does not answer these questions.
The scoop marks on the ceiling are easily answered. A jagged stone tied to a stick hanging from two cords. You swing it into the undercut. When the first cord hits, the stone will be forced up and hit the ceiling. You adjust the length of the cords for the height you want to hit.
Yousef says things like: "Stones get heavier as they move up ramps, wooden rollers would be crushed by heavy stones and ramps would need to be concrete to withstand the weight of heavy stones". It is all completely false but Ben likes him anyways.
@@Vision_2 yeah because it gets him more views on TH-cam to promote a fantasy. I agree that the marks weren't made by pounding, but they were definitely probably made by grinding. Archeology supports it and so do all the cultures who have formed mortars in granite around the world...
@@Vision_2 As compared to the official "small rock smash bigger rock very hard, make perfect stone megaliths. If small stone don't work, bronze chisel will chisel it!"
@57:55, who's dancing in the shadows in front of the box in the King's Chamber? That was bad ass, being able to do that in one of the oldest still standing structures on the planet!
@@UnchartedX What if you had a "machine head" that was sort of shaped like an umbrella handle that held several of the hard green ball stones in that shape frame and then frequency or water was used to rotate the stones? That would mean no workers getting exhausted or injured or cramped into small spaces. It would be using the hard stones to bore like in bore holes but in a contained shape which would also allow for the upward angle if it was shaped like an umbrella handle?
There was a way of mining salt in Transilvania where they would cut grooves with chisels in the salt bed and then use wood wedges to cause the salt to fracture and brake in large convex pieces leaving behind a concave hole. And as it was done systematically. The pattern of holes would be highly regular. This looks a lot like that technique.
The general shape and placement (and lack of overlapping) of the scoop marks is the key. As is the long vertical lines left by them. I would be interested in knowing the exact composition of the granite - likely the locations of quarries were based on the composition, as there is a simple way to work it chemically. The quartz and mica in granite are difficult to dissolve, but the feldspar and is much easier to dissolve via hydrolysis, which could be achieved by a method of acid / alkali / salt water moistened fabric bags rolled up into wet cell batteries, using copper and zinc for the electrodes. Sources of calcium, potassium, magnesium are easy - anywhere there is wood to burn you find these. Hydrolysis of feldspar produces types of clay. Mica is extremely brittle and easily washed away or broken down into fine powder. Depending on the type of granite, it could be upwards of 60% feldspar. Immediately the scoop marks to me look like the remnants of places where moistened bag type batteries were placed and allowed to dissolve the area they came into contact with. It explains the ridges between scoop as well - as that is formed by two bags placed beside each other. I think it would behoove someone to run this type of experiment - creating simple wet electrolytic cells using metals / chemicals / plant fiber fabrics available at the time, along with various easy to produce acids and bases, and test out dissolution rates of feldspar containing granite samples.
These stones we see being worked have a quality of being highly aqueous in chemically combined water. What makes sense in terms of a lost higher technology is using vibration to focus on dissonance where the vibration resounds upon the chemical water of formation in the stone. Going after the water would destroy the crystalline structure, which we see hard stone. Think of cement in reverse. The actual chemical structure of quartz includes over 30 H2O molecules. This holds true for nearly every crystal mineral. The method used focused on this fact.
@@mageamenra469 you know that would make a lot of sense. I know its not the same, but it's kinda like a microwave in the fact that you are using the properties of water to achieve something. In the case of the microwave, it uses a specific wavelength that for some reason vibrates the water so that it gets hot from friction. And think of this too, the microwave was discovered on accident. It was also very recent in terms of overall human history, so I think it shows how little we know about so much. If the ultrasonic method can work on this type of rock, i think its safe to assume that they would attach it to a machine arm that could easily pivot to hard-to-reach places. I ain't buying this pounding dolomite theory for a second😂
I’m going to throw out a theory I’ve had for a while on the scoop marks. I think we’ve seen the tool and it’s quite famous. For a while I’ve pondered the “dendera light globe”. A 6m long globe is entirely illogical. Edison’s first globe could fit in your hand why is the dendera one so big, it doesn’t make sense. So what is it? It is being held by the big guy like a chainsaw. This made me think of a tool not a globe. The curved tip could be the source of the scoops. Imagine it used some sort of ultrasonic vibrations that could cut through rock like butter your pit could be scooped out basically at your feet horizontally to the depth of the blade then to widen the pit vertical cuts were made. A smaller version would need to be used for the undercut. The irregular width is due to only using a portion of the curved tip (deeper cut would be wider). Please pick the hell out of this theory so we can get closer to the answer.
Awyan believes the bulbs are they're take on how the universe was created along with consciousness i.e. a spark, there's a bit more too it than that but my opinion is the same. How ever there's no sut marks from flames in a lot of places like the pyramids, so they must have had something but as far as the bulbs go that's the best one I've heard. I'm from Scotland and was a bricklayer for many years, everything here is granite I can tell you it's not light and it's not smooth even today it's a struggle so f#@k knows what they did.
Looking at the depicted dendera light it looks like three people mange it, one of them has a small ball on their head. Is that why the pounding balls are found? That the stone worn down and discarded?
@@joecolvin4203 have you ever seen the photos of scientists standing triumphantly around their invention, usually in black and white? That’s what that carving looks like to me. The assistants supporting it while the main scientist pose. Hehe
I can't even imagine what could have been used to create these marks! It looks almost like something was melting the rock, and scooping at the same time!
@@methylene5no shortage of sand, but then the trench fills with sand, so maybe the manual labor is simply sand shoveling. That and pushing the gigantic wheel bellows.
I’ve always questioned the methods and time periods my teachers in High School gave in regards to how long it took them to build these structures such as the Pyramids of Giza and stone structures in Egypt in general. So much so my teachers kicked me out of class a few times for having differing opinions. But I digress. Lol
@@TheMysteryDriver Correct. Yet there are plenty of granite that is obviously not concrete or some other aggregate or geopolymer like the limestone blocks quite possibly are. That's all I'm saying.
I wonder if anyone tried to use the dolorite as a drill. Put it on the end of a shaft, rotate it with pressure on top. Maybe the "pounding stones" were alot bigger, and the reason there are so many, is that they were used up and replaced with another grinding stone.
I feel like this content is game changing. The scans are amazing and I love the exploration into thinking about what tools may have been used. Amazing work!
Some of this stuff is simply amazing almost beyond comprehension. How on earth? did they carve granite, dressed and manufactured huge boxes from living granite. Thoroughly enjoyable Ben.
Maybe they used diamonds to grind it down. I don't know but I just can NOT get my head around human hands with tools, no matter how good, making the pyramids. What a beautiful and fantastic mystery.
I make model ships and boats, and I use a dremel tool almost daily. The scoop marks you showed, are very similar to the scoop marks left by the mini rotary tool bits I use, but obviously on a much grander scale.
I have carved walking sticks with dremel tools for years and you are right. In fact, I could put a bit in the tool and carve a "scoop," now if I wanted to. The granite marks speak of a high-speed grinder.
I use a dremal tool for all of my projects. And where I see marks like thus the most is when I try and shape dense closed cell foam. That's a really big Dremal tool to make granite act like foam. Mabe I should make that my next project. Extract a miniture obelisk from a block of foam with a dermal tool and see what happens.
@Joseph Tutor People imply alot of things. But as to your "Scepter" reference I am completely intrigued. I always need a new project and I will defiantly look into this and see if I can make something like you described. Sounds like a fun learning project.
Nice deep dive into how the ancients may have created the scoop marks, I love it! The search for knowledge must always continue, the ancients wanted to make sure their descendants would always seek more knowledge after being amazed by how they made the scoop marks and many more ancient structures around the world.
(pardon for english mistakes:) To me it seems likely that there was not only some machinery that made these scoop marks but also something that made the rock soft and scoopable. If it was hard they would have used straight line cutting like we do today and it wouldnt remind us to marks in icecream and butter.
Each scoop mark was made by one man, they are curved as that's the arc his arms make when he reached out to the quarry face. It also tells us there were 200 men working on one face, each sitting next to each other pounding the rock. That one side of the obalisk, about 400 men total. What people fail to appreciate is availability of labour. Farming in acient Egypt was seasonal, working on construction projects kept them busy, hundreds of thousands of workers seasonally working on the Pharaoh's project.
Many thanks for very hard work in producing and providing your valuable information and tutorial. It is so fascinating how on earth they built these enormous works od art. How on earth did they did all that is a mystery to me and many others. I for one sometimes think that aliens long gone could have had exceptional powers to do all this. I cannot imagine that man with primatave tools did. I wish you many successful years in your research again thank you so much may God bless you on your journeys have a great day.
I just found your videos a few days ago. My theory is this: balls would be laid out on the area to be eroded, a large flat stone would be placed on top of the stones, then the flat stone on top would be moved in small circular motions with the use of leverage. Eventually the balls would form ‘scoops’ in both the lower bedrock and the sacrificial piece on top. Because of the circular motion, the balls would process (all parts of the ball would be worn down equally). This would create the semi regular pattern of scoops and ridges. As the balls and top sacrificial piece work out, pieces would be replaced. The dust would have to be dealt with some how to keep efficiency up. This works in my head for a flat and level area being removed. Obviously I haven’t tried it so I don’t know if it would work in person. But continuous motion under pressure would take a lot less work than intermediate spikes of pressure (pounding). You also could only ever pound so hard, but you could always add more weight on top of this system, assuming you could create enough leverage to move it.
There is a human standing in a fixed spot, grinding the stone away with another round stone. If you stand there you will turn at that angle as well. It's the same width stone they are grinding with against the granite. Try it on a beach with a ball. Or use a sugar cube and grind against it with a round object. The depression is the same
I'm a total layman when it comes to this but my initial reaction to the scoop marks was that they looked like something left by rotating barrels of some sort.
i have something more feasible,,,,ACTUAL scoops, its righ there is the word🤣🤣🤣 and to make it sound like i am not joking i will add that of course the scoops were made of special materials that would be heated SO HOT that it would melt through the ice cream err rock as it scooped😇😇 woohoo the mystery is solved!!!
OK, I'm going to give it a shot with my "theory". Of course, today we see a hot, dry and dusty Egypt. But, (here it comes), has anyone ever hypothesized the use of water, running water, with a slurry of sand / gravel, dolerite balls? Perhaps water under pressure, in the manner of open mining from the Gold Rush? Water falling from a height has tremendous power as it is forced through progressively smaller openings. The Aswan Quarry is now, as you said, about a mile from the Nile. Perhaps in ancient times it was closer? When the Nile would flood perhaps it was possible to bring the water to the quarry? This would have several benefits. Less toxic dust for one, not much space would be needed to force the water into a narrow space (I'm thinking of the vertical holes in the quarry), and it would be a cooler environment for the workers. I see water being used in some way to its best advantage. Natural running water can carve mountains, so under pressure it can be forced to accomplish the same work in less time, and with a slurry, it can quickly cut through stone. Perhaps, besides the crack in the Obelisk, they abandoned the site because the water level became too low and far away to continue? Just an idea. Cheers! Love the channel Ben.
I have 0 experience with stone working but as a welder fabricator who works with modern tools and machinery every day, i really liked the water jet idea but imo this looks more like sand blasting. Would be cool to know the ancient secrets.
No matter what the tools used were, I believe alot of those unfinished items were practice work or possible vanity projects not actually meant to be finished
yes, ancient Egyptians didn’t have better things to do but spending 100 years on their knees pounding rocks to make 1100 tons obelisk lol … I love how todays “experts” have explanation for anything and everything , even if it makes no sense what so ever 😂
@@rickaguilar1833 but they did have a penis! they had food to grow ,hunt and a whole lost of other things to do, if there were no televisions or casino's today, then you would be punding stone all day...............i think not🤣🤣
@@frederickbowdler8169 oh yeah? Is that how the Trilithons were cut and moved and lifted up and place so tightly not even a razor blade can fit in between the seams? Yea no
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The ridges are to keep the 'acid' pooling.
The cutting of stone in Egypt was their greatest technological feat. Thank you for coming back to this with your latest content.
After going to Egypt a few times now, another big question I have is why did they cut so many square “test pits”? Around the great pyramid there are so many huge square “test pits” filled with rubbish. My question isn’t how they cut them because they seem to cut stone like butter but why make them square?? If it was just a test then why go to the trouble to make them square? That’s a really hard and redundant way to dig a hole 🤔
Keep up the good work mate, I wish you all the success in the future.
Thanks for the excellent video, Ben! Something I keep pondering is if the Ankh was modeled after a cutting tool used by the ancient builders, maybe ultrasonic or some unknown tech? The Ankh became revered as a symbol of power, because what it was modeled after was once an actual tool of power? Also the famous "lightbulb" could have been a king sized (sorry, pharaoh sized! 😁) version used to slice large blocks of granite?
I think you're at the point where you could fund an experiment. Commission Yousef and build some scale fly wheel grinding implements, you have patrons who would help with something like this. Even if you can't get results that resemble the scoops it would make an excellent academic study... Actually you could probably find a professor to help and get grant money if you word things conservatively
I think that the scoop marks were made by a tool that used either fluid or air impregnated with an abrasive material sort of like a bead blaster or pressure washer. The reason I think this is because the scoop marks seem to be rounded at the bottom of the grooves and they seem to have striations that are perpendicular to the scoop mark that could be from an irregular feed rate or differences in the hardness of the material. I tend to lean toward it being from the hardness of the material because those perpendicular striations seem to span across multiple scoop marks. A tool like this could explain the undercutting as the head of it could be very flexible. The regularity of the marks seems to indicate something mechanical as opposed to a manual process. I really tend to believe that it was a fluid of some kind, a slurry. Of course if you look at the way that headstones are made today they just used a sand blaster with a rubber or silicone masking layer. To me it is fairly plausible that it could have been done with compressed air but like I said, I tend to think it was a liquid slurry. While I have experience in robotics and machining I have never personally worked much with stone but that is what I think. Pass the idea around to some of your stone working buddies and see what they think. I really don't think that the scoops were made by a machine cutting tool because of the lack of chattering and other mechanical looking tool marks. I also think that you are right on when it comes to overlapping accounting for differences in width or perhaps the distance of a nozzle from the substrate possibly because of the articulation of a machine.
On another note, I have done some core drilling thorough concrete while working as an electrician and I am absolutely amazed at how good those people were at core drilling those incredibly hard materials and the incredible polish on some of the holes. Even with modern machinery some of those holes would have been one hell of a job.
All the evidence you need that its not pounders, is that the site's caretakers have no fear of damage being done to the site by tourists using all the pounding-stones laying around. I would even be so sure those are pounding-stones and not stone ball-bearings.
Great point👍
Was thinking this. Hiding the truth in plain sight
Way to think outside the box. I like it.
you should visit scientist against myths they show how it was done
@@420today I tried to watch their vid about the Serapeum. It was painful, not just because of the constant ridiculing of alternative ideas, but also the constant “aliens/Atlantis, hahahahaha” childish dialogue. Just present your own theories, without trying to belittle others, or get views off of other researchers’ theories. People like me just find certain megalithic sites fascinatingly wonderous and would like to explore that curiosity without ridicule. However, I’m still open minded. It just makes me realise more and more, that NOBODY TRULY KNOWS, and I’m convinced that there is a whole chunk, maybe more of our history that has been lost.
I'm STILL in shock and awe! Ben, don't EVER stop! Thank You!
Some of the best evidence I've seen that this stuff wasn't done by pounding hard rocks with harder rocks is the fact that tens of thousands of tourists have had a go at a boulder with a dolomite pounding rock every single year....and the rocks remain more or less completely unchanged.
I could do it easy bud
@@calebmills7086 even if it was just pounding (assuming they weren't made into hammers of some kind) they probably had a technique to make it more efficient.
@@TheMysteryDriver I know how to do it bud
@@calebmills7086 lol. I wasn't saying you couldn't do it, I'm also the only person that thumbbed up your comment, calm down there "bud".
Love how overly agressive people on the internet are.
@@TheMysteryDriver listen up bud, I know way more about Egypt the you bud
My golf course moved a sand trap on the dogleg sixth hole. I was one of the 500 volunteers, we moved the grains of sand using needlenose pliers. The work took 14 months but I really felt privileged to be part of the task.
lol
They made 16 a dogleg so the general didn't have to fix his slice. When we built a bunker on one amazed how many truck loads of dirt was needed even then seemed a little dinky
At least your task is/was feasible. Now get your 500 guys and move a 1100 # stone. By hand. That is the real joke here.
I would ask them "how long has this specific tour been given? And then I'd ask them "why hasn't any new scoop marks formed by all the tourists that have come through and tried this themselves?"
@KFC Managers and this is true. You get it
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that would set themselves up for being indoctrinators and liers
Because the tourists are not thousands of slaves
@No Content and the pounding stones the tourists use are the worn-out blunt ones.
Its mind boggling just to think how this was achieved, but it's even more puzzling to understand why it needed to be done on this scale..
The Pharaoh with the biggest obelisk had the biggest d. 🤷♂️
Ben definitely brings a great presentation. It doesn’t have to be aliens but mainstream archaeologists must start over again on our timeline, etc…. THANKS
"Ancient Aliens" is my favourite comedy channel. Having said that, to use one of their stock phrases, "you have to wonder" whether the ET narrative is deployed on purpose to create a smokescreen to hide genuine human technology/civilisation. (By the same token contemporary UFO lore is used to hide current human antigravity technology IMO...)
Many years ago I had a teacher whose family found out that two paintings they had were almost certainly from a semi-famous Dutch painter, (can’t remember name). While all of the proof said it was from that painter and off the record other art historians would agree the main expert would not sign off on it. Because the primary wouldn’t say they were from that artist neither would any other because to do so would be career suicide even if they were right. I have come to discover many parts of the sciences follow the same modes which is why you don’t see changes in the mainstream.
No, that goes against the narrative and you will be shuned from the science community if you say otherwise so keep saying they built things with only copper tools and they are 4000 years old.
Maybe they knew how to make steel, then when a new ruler overtook them he took all the steel for himself
mainstream archaeologists are restrained by the Establishment, Any mainstream archaeologist going against the dogma loses their funding and career
This was very helpful especially the LIDAR and close-up images. I think the answer is the work was done using the pounding stones but not always by holding them in two hands and hammering or bouncing them as everyone seems to want to do.
Rather, excavation and removal of large amounts of stone was most likely done using force multipliers that smashed or swung the pounding stones into the granite or other stone surface. This would account for the broken pounding stones at Aswan, the layout of the scoop marks, the deep holes that barely fit a person (logs with pounding stones on their tips were dropped into them?), the undercutting or scoops on side walls (swing setup), the linear vertical marks on quarry walls (a series of logs hung from a beam along the cut?), the high ridges on some scoops (where the pounding device had an oblique swing action), etc.
We need to keep in mind that wood and rope don’t last thousands of years out in the open so that explains why they aren’t found in these old rock quarries. Also, humans have known how to attach stone to wood for tens of thousands of years. And they’ve built siege machines out of wood ever since the first stone fortifications were constructed. So it makes total sense they would use wood and rope to create devices that could smash a pounding stone much harder and more accurately into a block of rock than could be done using the two-handed dressing approach used for smoothing surfaces.
For example, the trenches around the unfinished obelisk were perhaps dug by hanging an overhead beam along the cut and attaching a series of logs that can be raised using ropes and then dropped from a certain height. No skill, great strength, ungodly endurance, etc. would be required to apply a great deal of force and accuracy with each drop of these “pounding logs”. Given enough logs the entire length of the trench could be worked at the same time by a small work crew. They’d probably be more expert in rigging and carpentry than masonry.
I’m sure just about any group of dedicated quarry workers can experiment and come up with a myriad of useful setups once they realize the mechanical advantages that wood, rope, etc. can provide over hand pounding. This could explain why similar, though not exactly the same, type of pounding marks can be found at megalithic sites across the world.
That's an interesting take, but the surface of that obelisk was supposed to be level, you wouldn't get that with pounding logs
@user-ch7oj9rz7t There would be two steps, first the "scoops" formed by the swinging action of the pounding logs, then regular pounding by hand to smooth the ridges and take down the high spots.
@@tomszabo7350 that'd be near impossible with copper and dolerite tools
Force multiplier would destroy accuracy ??
@flightmizzarc No because it is a log which is swinging from a beam. So the accuracy of each strike is very good. There is certain mass and velocity for each stone type that produces a significant fracture on the surface plane without deeper damage ... based on my limited testing I estimate around 50 pound log swung from about 3 feet for most hard rocks. The pounding stone can actually be set loose in the "scoop" most of the time which is how I think the cutting was mainly done (except undercuts where the stone obviously must be affixed to the log). So the pounding stone is sort of pushed along from scoop to scoop, and the logs are in a line all swinging from the main beam. This bean is itself a large log which is rolled back and forth for each pass as the cut is deepened.
The interesting thing about this is that they look around and see what tools are available to determine how things were done. I have done carpentry for years, and I don't need to see the tool to know exactly what tools were used and what methods were applied based on the work that I see... This is like finding an old wood ship and there is a small hand saw next to it. Then coming to the conclusion they built the whole ship with a 12" handsaw... Even though there are holes that were obviously drilled with pegs securing other pieces of wood together
YES.! The ship was made with a flint knife, and nothing else.. :D
No. It is more like, they have established a narrative, and falsely educated the entire world of that narrative. They fear that when we realize that they have lied to us, we will realize that they have no special knowledge, thus, losing their status and power.
The welsh built the pyramids they had the tec first copper mines in the world
Just found your series on Egypt and ancient tech. As someone who believes we still have not recovered all the knowledge lost in the library of Alexandria, I really am entertained and appreciate your work.
Took a trip to Machu Picchu a while back, the layers just scream that we've lost extremely useful building tech, just so hard to say when and why. So disappointing knowing our horrifically expensive structures have lifespans in the 10's of years.
' So disappointing knowing our horrifically expensive structures have lifespans in the 10's of years.'
Seems like you missed a different video from a few weeks back. They found the reason that Roman concrete lasts so long, it was more poorly made. When you finely grind the particles, they almost all get used up. When the particles are more coarse and cracks form in the concrete, the bigger chunks get wet, move into the crack, and heal the cracks.
Everyone thought it was a different or better mix, and really it was just 'don't grind it so finely, in a specific way'. Expect much longer lasting concrete to be developed soon.
Modern concrete heals tiny cracks as well in the same way, but it can only do very tiny cracks. The bigger chunks in the Roman concrete are what allows it to heal so much better and even heal larger starting cracks..
Fairly recent video on TH-cam, so if you start searching Roman concrete you should find it quickly.
"lost" so hilarious. We have never been nor will likely ever be able to produce Granite objects to the same surface tolerance as glass.
@@ModelLights I’m under the impression they used volcanic ash and salt water which is two ingredients that we don’t use today
@@scottwalker2038 ' two ingredients '
Those aren't the reason for it lasting. The larger grain sizes allow it to heal larger initial starting cracks than modern concrete, so it takes much longer for them to progress.
Shouldn't take long to find the video from the Italian university that did the study, and they explained it quite well.
@@ModelLights lime chunks wow thanks mate
Thank you for showing the stereo image in its original format. Most people are unaware that a lot of photographs taken from that time period were in fact true stereo(3D) photographs captured using a stereo camera with two offset lenses to capture the depth effect that we percieve by having binocular vision. Your videos are a wealth of information with meaningful insight which is greatly appreciated.
This site is by far the most significant for finally getting the answers as to how they were able to accomplish what they did. You can see evidence of the entire construction process on every part of this obelisk, from quarrying all the way down to refinement. Those marks definitely created by some sort of pressing system but to generate that much force to penetrate the ground that hard it would take way more than anything humans are capable of, even if you had thousands of them.
For some kind of chainsaw-like machine, which is most likely how they did this, they would need some way to get the up/down motion to generate a high enough RPM to create the friction/heat required to break through the rock. It'd also need to be incredibly heavy to push into the granite hard enough to break it. Even if they didn't possess some lost power-drill technology, it would still take a tremendous amount of intelligence and expert knowledge of masonry, construction and science to achieve, evidently beyond what we're able to comprehend even now.
One thing is for sure, regardless of whether they possessed some kind of machinery or not, they were way more technologically advanced than they are given credit for. That is not up for debate, they were most definitely NOT primitive.
The scoop marks, concavities, long and short ridges, curvatures underneath the obelisk totally remind me of marks and features left by a sandblaster in the investment material as dental castings are cleaned. This must have been a large, powerful, automated one with rotating blast nozzles pretty much serving the same purpose as a 3 axis milling machine. Who knows.
A sandblaster is a very good possibility here. The ancients would have known that blown sand eroded monuments, so why not speed up that process?
So you think ancient civilizations had sand blasters? That’s a more advanced technology than the pneumatic drill or rock saw, either of which would be about 1000 times more efficient.
Why not simply wood and rope? Tie a rock to the end of a small log, swing it from the rope with a good wallop into the granite. Repeat a few thousand times in a day, with a bounce off the granite and some rhythm timing could even be tolerable (maybe the crew sang and danced as they swung their pounding logs?).
@@furerorban9324 sounds much more plausible than the alternatives alleged here
Going to drop this in the discussion. Perhaps a percussion tool suspended from a tripod lift lifted and dropped in one spot. The channels removed indicate the maximum deflection of guides in the target area. The device could be a massive stone cylinder or square fitted to hang by rope and the strike end to be possibly fitted with wax to hold a dolomite strike tip. The crew would then position the tripod over the target, raise the 500 or 1000 lb "torpedo" and drop it onto the granite surface. A worker would then clear stone chips and dust away. This seems to be in step with advanced stone age technology and expert knowledge of material strengths. It replaces the single worker with a simple machine and the crew, a single trained and knowledgable manager over a crew of limited expertise. The tripod, rope, wax, stone are all knowledges the ancient Egyptian culture possessed.
As for the undercut, the striker could have been positioned to hit a perpendicular shaft also with dolomite tip. Crew in trench resets striker each time possibly.
Finish work with dolomite pounders then done by single workers; artisans and sculptors then work to finish.
That seems plausible actually. A better explanation than workers with pounding stones. Also, after a shallow ditch was formed, wood could be thrown in and a fire set. Then, rapidly cooled with water would make the granite degrade some and easier to pound and chip out using the method you described. It would be worth exploring by engineers........
Good angle. I had something similar in mind, maybe with logs as weights. But - the moment it doesn't just go straight down but needs some sort of guide with maximum deflection angles, that have to extend several meters into the cleared trench or hole - the question pops up, why not just drop it straight down, when you have the clearance above?
Seems pretty plausible. Something like a pile drive with the pounding stone at the end. Could have added weigths for more punding force if neccesary. Animals could be used to raise the hammer. It seems more in line with the technology available at the time.
blah blah blah, "Then magically they used the same pounding stone to make a super flat polished surface." Damn people.....C'mon.......
@@brucefulper2433 The discussion was about channeling out obelisk from surrounding stone. Polishing done by "holy stone" method.
I want to know what was going on back then so damn bad. We can find those scoop marks ALL ACROSS THE WORLD. I don't get how this doesn't get more attention because It's blatant evidence that something mind blowing was going on back then.
Everyone wants to know how it was done, but no one can even imagine how it was done so far. The mystery continues.🤔
Secret society covers it up.
@@killilluminati40 has to.. This shit combined with modern knowledge would make unlocking the atom nothing but a minor bump in our development. Harmony, resonance, vibrations ect. We usually think of sound when we think of these things. But the truth is it could make it possible for a hobby electrician to build a time machine in his back yard. Harmonic resonance could be at the core of the mystery of the delayed force we call gravity. Fucking with this is an easy way to break the universe. Better stay clear for now. We ain't ready to rediscover this in a modern context. When we are ready we will, no matter what anyone does to keep it hidden. So fear not
Adam Schnulle: I think the scoop marks were made by workmen using a spoon to move cement concrete to build the obelisk.
@@pjeng1 : How about my suggestion? The scoop marks on the stone at the left of the obelisk were made by workmen to move cement concrete to build the obelisk. Those scoop marks on the obelisk were made by workmen to remove extra concrete from the obelisk. In short, the obelisk was not a solid stone cut to shape; but rather it was a poured cement concrete; and possible with a crumb of small bricks cemented together with cement concrete.
The marks look like a hot ice cream scoop carved into butter. So interesting. Lost technology / machinery 100%. Amazing video. So thorough. I rewound many times to absorb. Thank you so much for this and all of your other videos!
Yes looks just like Ice cream that was scooped . So the rock was obviously the consistency of ice cream back then . Which makes you wonder how it did not melt ?
So then we can conclude it was scooped during the time of snowball earth .
@@DracoReptoidsExposed But that's just your conclusion . . . maybe they are old people being serious ? ? ?
Either way , ice cream sounds good :)
Good point . Imagine a ice cream scoop tool that vibrates at the just perfect level to cut through the rock .
@@blackstar1557 No ! You just imagine big frozen mountains of ice cream .
@@Mk101T Let's say they had worked out a way to temporarily soften the surface of the granite with some kind of reaction, in which case a lot of this work we see makes a lot more sense on how it was achieved.
Unchartedx, your channel is PERFECT! Excellent content, excellent video footage, excellent narration... I LOVE that you include subtitles when Yousef speaks as it makes everything so much easier to understand everything! Thank you very much for your hard work!!!
I think they found a solution to soften stone, noticing all the scoop marks - not only here - but all over the world! Great work as always Ben! Thankyou!
@Craig Roop I think that they have the technology to soften the stone, just like a metal, with enough temperature you can mold a metal whatever you like and then the metal will turn back to its original state. The idea of softening a stone is not impossible in terms of technology.
@@234bagsakan The technology required to soften stone is beyond our understanding given what we know about stone.
If you heat stone it crumbles when it cools so you can't use heat, if you use chemicals or acid it dissolves so you can't use that either. Sound waves and ultrasound can break stone up but you cannot put it back together afterwards which means we don't have the technology but there is plenty of evidence to show that we did have it one time.
Birds peck deep holes in sheer cliffs using shreds of a multicolored plant to chemically dissolve the stone. takes several days for two birds to make a home for their eggs and nesting.. think outside the box. the lessons of nature are vast and wide.
@@jimsykes2745 your onto something, I could see plants being used to wear away rock
@@jimsykes2745 Which birds ?
Consider this. If you left a machine shop untouched, how long before everything would have rusted, rotted, dissolved, returned to the earth for lack of a better way to describe it. You see obvious machining techniques but not a single machine, just the stones they machined, or the earth. How many years to return every machine needed to build these things back to dust leaving only the stones they cut? The stones do not return since they are earth already. That would be the age of these things.
Most stuff from our iron Industrial Age 100 years ago is pretty much gone unless preserved by us. Who ever did the “big” work in Egypt probably reached somewhat of an iron Industrial Age themselves
It's more likely any metal machinery or tooling will have been recycled over time. All metals require mining and/or refining, most are very beneficial to us - making them valuable materials throughout history including today.
And considering the Younger Dryas boundary event might have caused a global cataclysm, then from 12,000 yrs ago to now it seems only logical that there is nothing left of machinery at all. And if anything had survived the event it was most certainly scavenged long long ago.
@@TheEarl777 I hate when they say there’s no evidence of that but we do have evidence it’s just related to a different field. Warfare shows we scavenge anything and everything if it’s worth it even if it’s not we’d recycle the materials. Also warfare shows technology is taken to be reverse engineered. I have a far fetch theory but I believe the giant 50,000 ton metal hammer presses from the turn of the century in Germany were quite possibly ancient tech someone found and either rebuilt or reverse engineered and rebuilt.
@@manbearpig710 they probably used wood to make a rig that would drop the pounding stones onto the granite or something.
The dolerite balls were for moving the slabs, similar to the way the thunder stone was moved. Of course you'll find thousands of these in the quarry. That's exactly what you would expect. The problem is they've leapt to the conclusion that they were used for pounding and quarrying.
@ Well, you know what thought did.
The rocks are way too big for that. They are pounding stone size and they seem to fit the pounding marks and scoops. So they were most likely used for pounding. But not necessarily using hands … more likely attached to some sort of contraption made from wood and rope. The pounding device would have hung above the work surface and consistently dropped or swung into the same impacts area which seems to explain the odd features and layout of the pounding marks. This would have also allowed for most of the work to take place above and not inside the trench or hole.
The balls, being low tech, were used by later lower tech societies in their smaller scale quarrying at the site.
Any society that could lift and transport 1000 ton single pieces had some serious technological capabilities that wouldn't involve inefficient pounding.
@@pencilme1n The obelisk itself has pounding marks though they appear in a strange shape as scoops. Why is it not possible that they did use the balls but not hand pounding rather some "lost technology" (maybe wood beams and rope to slam the pounding stones into the rock using a swinging motion)? That same wood and rope technology would then be used to help move the large stones. That's how the Greeks, Romans and others did it later to move heavy stones.
@@tomszabo7350
If pounding marks appear as a strange shape such as a scoop, then they are not pounding marks.
You don't produce glass-like surfaces in granite by swinging rocks at it.
If all the ancient Egyptian stonework including 20 million tons at the Giza plateau was to be pounded by hand into shape they would still be at it today.
Imagine the debris from pounding rock that would be shot into the workers’ eyes, especially when working on overhangs! Clearly, archeologists have no idea yet how this work was done in antiquity.
Safety squints 🤣
Health and safety was present in the past but no to such extent. They would probably wrap their heads with some fabric for basic protection.
@@onlyoneofhiskind people are also rational, too.
I think it was water man, they used lots of water to float the rocks and help in the carving, imagine just build one canal that leads to the carving site, there you can create corridors and stuff to move these things, im sire they used to carve too, i could be totally wrong
"Clearly, archeologists have no idea yet how this work was done in antiquity" - but you have? It's so easy to blame someone, but it's so difficult to do it with proven arguments, right?
I've also no idea how this was done, but well - i guess u also dont have, right?
So... What is your comment about? It was done somehow as the evidence show, how we maybe never know. But blaming someone to don't know things if you yourself don't know anything more isn't any better.
This video is already long enough....???
No..too short. Fascinating and I cant get enough of this stuff..more please. ..
I whole heartedly concur, all info and no filler. It is rare these days to find videos of this quality, especially about subjects that I want to know more about. So far all of UnchartedX's content has been excellent and very informative.
I’ve been in the granite countertop industry for 15 plus years. I’ve worked with all types of stone. It’s incredibly hard any way you got at it. Today diamond blades and core it’s are used. I’ve spent years wondering what they had to do this with. And not just Egypt. I appreciate your research.
the scoop marks look like the marks you see in caves with lots of flowing water. do you think its possible, as you've worked with granite , that it could have been cut with high pressure water cutting with an abrasive added. also the pits either side could be sumps to retrieve the water .its just a guess .
The Dendara "lightbulb" is also a scoop shape on the flat side, perhaps also showing what superheats it. If you could superheat a wire to cut granite like butter, would it leave a scorch mark?
You want to gouge granite? Fire and hammers. Hammers can be stone or metal.
What about acids or bases? Ie, using chemicals to dissolve stone. Or, using glass in the form of lenses or metals in the form of mirrors to melt rock?
@@chadkline4268 The ashes from mud brick furnaces have been found at the quarry site. Fire weakens granite.
Imagine having only this tech to spend decades or centuries pounding away but then find a way to effortlessly lift and transport 1100 tons hundreds of miles.
...Yeah... And take a look at Yangshan Quarry....
how a detailed video like this doesn't garner more attention in the mainstream is bonkers I just cannot understand it.
Because ignorance is bliss.
Why should it?
Many reasons why. Perhaps because there is conjecture after conjecture after conjecture by the narrator. Perhaps because of ignorance of arrogance and not acknowledging the limits of one's knowledge. There's a reason "academics," as he puts it, work with research that can be verified. An absence of evidence does not immediately imply evidence of existence.
It’s the same reason they created the pounding idea .. most people are totally brain dead followers .
Partly attention span...but it was the Pyramid of Giza, one that got me interested...
An impediment in our thought processes is to first start with the granite as the objective. 1) It would be interesting to identify a scheme for how to produce similar scoop marks with various selected tools, but by initially ignoring the hardness of the underlying material worked on. Eg. start with a large block of wood, and say, use adzes of various shapes and designs to confirm how an efficient mode of digging down through the material would produce similar scoop marks. Then it would a matter of speculation on a different dimension, how this might have been applied to harder material. 2) Re: the vertical or horizontal lines of scoop marks, I can imagine a machine that would have used those dolomite balls either loosely flailing against the stone walls or being forced to vibrate or otherwise slam against the walls at high frequency, possibly under high air pressure and volume; or fast upward flowing water as this would lift and jostle the balls more easily. This would have enabled flushing out the rock dust while excavating into the granite. Would this approach leave scoop marks? Again, it would be left to speculate on how such a machine could be powered. We have yet to find *any* evidence of a powered machine in use from such a distant past.
Like the idea of agitating the dolomite balls with water. Maybe a cylindrical tube to guide the process vertically.
"We" haven't been allowed to look for evidence. Machines that may have been secreted away long ago.
@@raysalmon6442 This sounds extremely feasible, even without under standing the power source but high pressure water jet cutting is logical and the combination of a ball mill that has some sort of open face to the rock surface... you could also envisage a super sized dentists drill/grinder. Just brainstorming from our know systems.
It would be interesting to examine the skeletal remains of supposed quarry workers. They should show some signs of the repetitive banging of stones if that is the case. Work like that leaves evidence in your very bones.
Absolutely it does. The skeletons of English archers bear the evidence of prolonged, repetitive motion, and it's effects on the human body. They began training as youngsters, as I'm sure Egyptian youngsters were trained early on in the arts of stone masonry. We should certainly see this physical evidence in the mighty masons of Egypt also. Archeologists will hopefully find the "Rosetta Stone" of ancient engineering and answer a lot of questions. It's there, they just haven't found it yet.
True!!! Just imagine pounding a stone all day every day. That would f your hand and arm up
@@Shadolife which 'egyptian' youngsters are you talking about?
the advanced society that preceded the dynastic egyptians, or the later, less sophisticated egyptians ? (eg. ones that chiseled uneven glyphs onto advanced stone work or built mud brick pyramids)
@@ghostrider-be9ek when I say young "Egyptians" I am referring to the dynastic Egyptians, the ones we have name for. The previous civilization(perhaps more than one), as of yet, have no name that I know. I've heard Brien Foerster refer to them with a name I can't recall.
Many were farmers who did this work during the Nile flood season. So it was not a full time job I assume. I could be wrong though.
It looks a lot like when a body of water is drained after dredging by a diver. It’s like if the material was softened and just removed. It’s incredible how this isn’t questioned more.
I went there last June and asked how they got it into a boat for transport, how dolomite was able to carve granite, and other basic common sense questions about MOHS hardness scale and stuff and my guide got visibly infuriated at me and refused to engage with the rest of the tour
Like stose huge stones in Peru. Looks like they were heated up and molded.
I think the same also. What if granite back then were soft like mud/clay and they just had some tool or something to harden it
@@somelineman1392 Off course because it’s all well known and then there is you 😂
Yeah, they don't like it when people question their narrative. They know what they are saying is bs but they most likely want to keep their job.
Cheers again Ben, and fully with you on your comments in the last few minutes, on how a radical reviewing of our ancient past, can arguably re-write the collective stories our current civilisation operates by.
Cheers Richard!
@@UnchartedX copper is conductive and the Baghdad battery has electricity
@@levithorstone2876 🤣🤣🤣
Imagine if the ancients could see the whole world in mystery as to how they built everything back then I bet they would find it hilarious it was probably so simple for them
True! Why the heck no one is talking about what they knew about physics mainly gravity?!
If they could pick up 12ton obelisk it’s quite obvious that they could build really huge structure with some kind of granite pile with rounded end which was pounding the place what they want thats why we got rounded scoops.
All they used was great brains, materials which they know about and huge structures/machines.
If it had been that easy it wouldn’t have been left unfinished. Wake up
@@chriss9177 there's no reason to believe that it was left unfinished because it was hard. The reason to abandon the project could be completely unrelated. Maybe a war, or famine or whim of the Pharoah.
@@chriss9177 Unfinished ? no no no ; they were quarried .
@@chriss9177 Eh . . . maybe the big crack that developed in it had something to do with it being unfinished??
Will never forget johns podcast with Rohan, have watched it easily 10 times.
We need uncharted x on joe rogan, it could easily be a 5 hour podcast.
I've been in construction for the last 20 years and have been on the smart end of a jackhammer or chipping hammer more hours than I would like. Watching those people smashing into the granite have the benefit of hitting a highpoint, trying to snap it off. Same with the scoop marks. If these guys were in there all day for years, you are going to be hitting those high points removing as much material per "whack" as possible....
I've done the Jack Hammer gig. Just dont see this done without some kind of machinery. Something missing from the picture here.
Can't somehow imagine pounding away with dolomite rocks to dig out a massive granite block out? Erm! These people would have blisters on top of blisters before the hour. Try it yourself 😆 🤣 😂 in the baking hot sun and heat..Can't believe it myself..but who am I to say?
Just started watching but I already know this is gonna be a banger. It's always a good day when a new UnchartedX video is up
We are also supposed to believe the Egyptians built the Pyramids and did NOT have the common sense to have the WHEEL
The "chainsaw"-like mechanism is very compelling. We know they had drill-like tools which are not far from the chainsaw in concept. Both are rotating tools used differently. What bugs me is the fact that there is no writings, references, stories on those tools used all around the world with the same scoop marks found, not even teaching documents meant for the workers, etc.
Very interesting video.
Secret society. They cover up all of it.
There's definitely been a lot of evidence that's been hidden from us. Either destroyed or locked up out of sight.
I hear ya. You would think that since it was such an elaborate effort on their part and obviously a critical element in their culture that there would at least be some murals or something depicting the construction of some of these pyramids and temples.
Imagine a Solar EMP now and trying to open a PDF manual on your Stihl tomorrow, then give it, say 1,000 years for all the parts of it and your iPad to become dust and, well how very entitled of you to to be bugged that people of the past never invented English in advance and chiseled it in rock so that you can reinvent plastics and send it in a time machine ?
The actual word in English you're fishing for, might, be Lore ... not 'writings'.
You're presumably also bugged by people who can speak Welsh but decline to speak English ?
You're victim of a fallacy of your own myopic creation ... look it up.
Ancient oral traditions in Egypt place both the pyramids and much of the megalithic granite work tens of thousands of years in the past. As those cultures did not leave written records, and that those records, if they existed, and their tools, were lost in a cataclysm that halted megalithic work all over the world as though it was interrupted in mid-effort, it makes sense that the later dynastic Egyptians would have no knowledge of such tools and methods, and would leave no records of them in their own writings and paintings.
I would find much more plausible that the pounding rock was used as a tip of a battering ram log that was dropped and hoisted up for another drop. Doing it by hand would be insane, like hammering nails holding iron cylinder in your fist.
More to my hypothesis I would imagine water was ran down, collected and re used from the pits to flush down the powder.
this would not explain the ones being sideways in to the wall and the "test pits" which have their scoop marks horizontal.
@@user-jap84tlv24sqno, but at least for the vertical ones you could quite easily create a mechanical advantage with the most primitive of materials, tools and knowledge
This is why I wouldn't use this as an example to argue ancient Egyptians having better tech than we give them credit for, I'd point to the precision works and overcuts/tubedrill holes.
Imagine watching that machine being used. What did it look like? how was it powered? what was it made of? While the evidence for this technology screams at us until we find even a small piece of this technology the naysayers will continue to hurl their dolerite balls in our faces. Where did it go and who were the peoples who possessed it? A very thought provoking piece as always Ben. Thanks for sharing.
I agree one hundred percent.
But after at least 12000 yrs ( considering the younger dryas boundary event was the civilisation ending cataclysm) there wouldn’t be anything left. And I’m sure if there was it would have been scavenged long ago. Or smashed up for its usable components such as any metals
@@TheEarl777 I believe that some remnants, some pieces still exist buried in a chamber hidden by sand. If you read Graham Hancock your know that he specifys a date of 10400 at the date of the zep tepi (although I disagree with this date for many reasons) and given the reverence of this technology (The tools of the gods?) I believe that the hunt for the lost tools of the Gods must continue. Thanks for sharing 👍
@@mnomadvfx doesn't explain the upside-down scoop marks.
Could have just been a really tall wooden frame that they tired a ball to and dropped repeatedly. As for th3 upside down part, small ramp at the bottom
@@AustinKoleCarlisle water pressure and sand.
I love things like this with megaliths and lost technology, and you have such a wonderful storytelling voice so it's absolutely wonderful to listen to!
I think the Storytelling voice is fake. But the rest is totally solid. :D
agree they make for great storytelling and conjecture it would be awesome if there was some hard evidence. it sell a lot of books and documentaries. i for one love watching hoping one day i will be convinced.
@@jaimevaldez3058 very true
I'm impressed by how they locate a large piece of granite without a fault in it. Imagine all that work to find a fault that causes it to just snap.
It did have a fault in it, it was cracked. Why do you think they abandoned it and covered it up? We have the same problem today, we just include a 30% waste factor in the price.
@@r2dxhate not sure it was covered up on purpose, mosre "well thats useless, lets mine over there" and centuries of dumping waste and sandstorms and stuff did the rest
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Have you or anyone else measured the radial curve of the "scoop marks"? If the curve is the same, even if the size is not, it could provide evidence against the pounding stones
I would - if not done many tmes already - examen the dust in the bottom of the deepest holes. It can probably tell a lot about, how it was made - hammering would result in different dust than grinding or "digging"..
That's a bloody good idea, now take of your smarty pants and put on the bloody kettle.
Well, what I see is where an excavator dug out a mountain, down to bedrock. Then, then they used their battery oscillator to do the precision cuts. I'm just saying what I'm seeing, how I would do it.
@@CONEHEADDKsadly the dust blew away just recently
They really remind me of the finish you get on some worked wood, like roughing out a log kayak, where a radiused axial cutting tool is used
The other thing about the "scoop marks" they were removing material, not finishing it. The bottom of a dolerite pounder (sphere) for all intents and purposes is a point. The point that contacts the granite would cause a dimple rather than a smooth out scoop that looks finished. I own an underground hard rock gold mine and the material that we are Drilling in and Blasting is andesite. When we find a pocket of gold we need high RPM air powered water cooled Diamond tip chainsaws to get the gold out there's no other way. When you get to rock that is a hardness of 6 or better there's just no manual way to actually have really much effect on it at all
Interesting! Does the water also increase the cut rate? I would expain away the dust problem.
I was never able to accept the horror of both frustration and body destruction involved in spending a whole actual workshift doing stone poundering. Unbelievably tedious for countless lifetimes per block. Ridiculous
So your point of saying all that is the probability of ancient Egyptians using some form of advanced powered tool. Was that so hard to imply it straight on? Or to avoid the attention of conspiracists?
Gold mines all over the world before the Iron Age.
Interesting… so how did they get that gold 100 years ago? How about 200?
it's interesting, I don't see scoop marks, i see pressure washing hollows. And something like this could work in any direction including from underneath.
I totally agree - I think perhaps water under pressure (easy to do - you just need a tank) with entrained sand (plenty of that around).
First time I've heard this idea, very intriguing!
I agree. It looks like very high-pressure water cutting. Recent technology for us.
That was exactly my thought as well. especially the under cut part. I picture water/sand/stones washing into the trench toward the obelisks hitting the wall and going up the wall and rolling back on itself creating that "scoop". Along with the changing angles not from a digger arm rotating around a stationary machine, but aquaduct of some sort moving around a stationary water source built high up on scaffolding to create pressure. Sure would be interesting if all this "ancient lost tech" "alien tech" ect was just clever use of water.
Currently researching clever usage of water in ancient times. ....
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acidic liquids and solids can eat through granite, leaving behind the look of etched glass. Some popular items that cause the most damage to granite stone are wine, Vinegar, mustard, oil, citrus products. So maybe they use this method to soften the granite.
Very much my thinking. They may not have had any theories of chemistry worth a damn, but they certainly seem to have had plenty of empirical experience, as is shown by the chemicals used in embalming. It wouldn't surprise me to find that they knew of acids and alkalis, and how to make them interact con/destructively.
There's a red leafed succulent plant that grows into and pits granite, its native to peru and Egypt, I'm sure mixing it with wine or vinegar could produce a liquid to soften the granite.
How about a type of high pressure water/grit blaster, they have found parts of what they believe are water impellers.
@@ronnierush9379 to have any kind of piping that would withstand the pressures required, they would need materials that there’s no evidence of, and that would have been much easier to use to just physically chisel out the stone. Those water cutters use pressure’s in the 10,000’s-100,000’s of psi, and powdered abrasives like garnet. Those things can chew through hardened steel without much fuss. To make a machine that could carve those scoops would require exponentially more energy than even our modern ones use, because of how much wider those scoops are, compared to the cut thickness of our water cutters.
They simply set fires on the granite. And after awhile the granite/rock becomes very fragile and you can take chunks off. Granite can't really take fire that good, it will crumble. No liquids. Just plain old fire. Look it up.
The idea of using fire to weaken the granite is interesting. You mentioned the need to clean the resulting "mud" from the surface of the granite before "pounding" it but actually, ash and water don't produce mud, they produce lye. I just looked it up and hot lye can be used to assist in cutting granite with significant advantages, so there could be something there. Probably not with the pounding stones in the way described, but it seems plausible that it could have been part of a far more effective method. Anyway, incredible work as always! Thank you for these documentaries. They are the best around, hands down.
The mudbrick was to concentrate the fires to certain areas and not damaging the stone itself
The problem with chemicals like lye, is that they will mark the stone, weaken the surface layer allowing weathering at a much faster rate, and weaken the structure built from the material as the leftover chemicals would leach into the stone. Such is also extremely corrosive to bare skin.
As I've mentioned before.. my view is that the "pounding stones" were used as bearings/rollers to move large stone blocks, not to cut through the rock. Obviously it is possible they were also used to scrape and smooth surfaces too. EDIT: Ben mentions that "it has been mentioned" that they could have been used as bearings at 40:00 ish.. Great video, interesting thoughts on the scoop marks.
cathrin the great rock of gebraltia style!!
Agreed, what are your thoughts on the larger, MUCH LARGER stone balls around the world, could they also have been used as "bearings"
The lines shown at 50:38 seem to indicate working vertically from the top - in a straight line - and perhaps dictated by the local topology, as not all lines shown are parallel/dead vertical - even if dolerite was used as a shaping stone , was it mounted on (long gone) wooden rams, etc.?
Maybe they had some kind of sandblasting techniques
@@mnomadvfx Note the lines off vertical (c. 70 degrees slope) occur in a hump to the right, I was thinking of workers standing on the hump using an auger type device (made of wood/stone which wouldn't differ too much from some of their drawings - which were largely symbolic, apparently, not literal, but they had wooden figurines depicting similar, too).
As always, well explained and articulated. Keep it up Ben 😉
There was a long "electrode" that was lowered into the granite as it "vibrated loose" the granite into particles which were simultaneously vacuumed out. What you are calling "scoop marks" are just the imprints of the shape of the tip ends of the electrodes. Some of the "electrodes" had different shapes depending on the shape of the cut desired and were light enough to be "hand Held." Yes, sound ( very high frequency sound ) did the "cutting." Food for thought!
Though I disagree, I have to say, it’s as good a theory as any these TH-cam guys are coming up with. Hell, it’s better!!! Cheers
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@john webb You are absolutely right! Sound is the power source that was used in making of the "scoop marks". Sound was also used to move the granite as well. Similar to what Ed Leidskalnin did when he built Coral Castle in Florida.
Ultra sonic
I'll have some of what you're smoking
I am blown away.... One of the best videos about ancient Egypt I have ever seen. Keep up the good work ! 👍
I think the issue is that we get so focused on things being done the way we’d do them, that we forget that there’s a world of possibility out there. It’s obvious they didn’t do things the way we would. We obviously cannot do this today. But that’s not to say that the ancients couldn’t do these things with what was available to them. What needs to change is our idea of how things must be done.
I agree for the most part because we are arrogant in thinking we are so much more advanced than any other. However, there is still basic facts in life. One being that in order to cut a certain hardness, you need something harder and we've yet to find in archeology digs that harder tool. I dunno? It's certainly baffling!
@@chrissnyder3430 tools that ablade or abrade. But one would assume some sort of arbor. But if its powered by water/steam, the copper/copper alloys would have Been recycled.
@@erok268 advanced doesn’t just mean steam power
@@haha-lj5sq but it would be easier to build one than pounding stones together all day!
There's a granite quarry near where I live and it's amazing. My family is in remodeling they do alot of kitchens and work with granite so watching this is impressive. There is no way absolutely no way this type of craftsmanship was done with hammers. The rounded corners, the scoops the fact that cuts don't match the method of the narrative being pushed should be enough for the scientific community to change the "story".
They probably used some type of jig that modern woodworkers use. Remember these people had been working stone for temples and monuments for thousands of years. They just got better and more efficient over time.
How long have you worked stone with your hands to make this determination? Surely you aren't basing your judgment on the pre-made countertops installed by day laborers. Only an absolute clown would do that.
@Zack Martin you got me I'm a clown just like those lowely day laborers you look down on. I'm sure I can't grasp your intellectual superiority and understanding of stone and sculpting of those mediums either. Excuse me sir I will return to my sewer.
We must not forget the people that did these things had plenty of time on their hands, and time wasn't money. They really had nothing else to do and they had a very strong reasons for dedicating their lives to those buildings.
How do we know the designers of the unfinished obelisk did not intend to cut it into blocks and move it out that way and then reconstruct it on site ?
@@WildPhotoShooter The "too much time on their hands because they didn't have Netflix" argument isn't a very strong one. It lacks any scrutiny. The issues with the accepted theories aren't constraints of time. They are physical limitations of human bodies, simple tools, and precision granite work on pieces of material weighing as much as 600 SUVs. What method do we use today to transport something weighing 600 SUVs? The heaviest load ever moved today is 4800 tons done by a 174 axel tractor trailer. The second heaviest is 1157 tons. Even today those are nightmarish tasks. These are not tiny problems that just simply become more efficient over time with a good assembly line. There are some mammoth gaps in evidence and accepted theory and we as human beings hate that.
When people clap after Zahi Hawass says anything, you know they are fully brainwashed and can't think for themselves.
that was my group - and trust me, it was a very satirical clapping.
A bigger question is: how did they move/erect these megalithic stones once freed from the bedrock?? Crazy right?
Absolutely, they took their skills and techniques with them..but where? is a million $ question? I saw a documentary about this massive entrance they cut out and placed these massive granite boxes, how on earth was that achieved is a huge mystery
@@michaellyne8773 billy carson said something about using frequencies to lower the weight of objects significantly so you could move them easily. I think he mentioned it in the Shawn Ryan Show podcast, check it out.
You sold this engineer on the fact that they didn’t bash those scoop marks into the stone by hand. But I’d look for water, wood, rope and copper being used to move stone and sand to do the grinding. Enjoyed your vid a lot.
@21:57, the Mark Lehner video segment, in their tube drill segment there's a blue and white jar of Wright's Silver Polish setting on the same block being drilled. They had tried sand, dry then wet, neither was working. Same with the 2 man saw cut in the segment you included in this video.
Thank you for letting some of Yousef's words make it on the video. I haven't been over there and would really enjoy being on a tour with him and I think we're lucky to have a guy like that. I'm sure I don't have to tell you how few of the oral history keepers still exist. Cheers, Ben - Love the videos.
I'm not saying your wrong, but, as someone who's worked with stone my whole life, I don't think those marks are chisel marks. Anytime you use a chisel it jumps away from the stone the second you hit it, but, the marks along side the obelisk are long, continuous, and fairly straight lines. This just wouldn't happen if using a hammer and any chisel I know of. I have no idea what made those marks, but, me personally, just through experience, I'd bet against a hammer and chisel.
Paradigms are made to be exceeded. I'm an old man. When I started school there were only 48 United States and continental drift was still being debated. I witnessed the entire academic knife fight over whether birds were descended from dinosaurs and the discovery of an entirely new and alien ecosystem on the bottom of the ocean at the hydrothermal vents..not to mention Dark Matter...yeah, man, Hawass and Lehner are on their ass...
Man, the things U have have seen in your time. A true evolution of thought and science. Wonderful
👍👍👍
Hawass and Lehner, etc. will be remembered for their contributions of the work they've done. But time has passed now for the next generation explorers to answer those questions they left behind unanswered.
The nature of the cutting head is the key to this. Once we establish that we can work backwards through the machine required. As the scoops are smooth then there probably wasn't cutting "teeth" like you find on a saw or tunneling machine.
The angle lines can be used to estimate a pivot point of the tool. In this case it would appear that the "cutting arm" was at least 25ft long. If that's true you could be talking about a machine the size of a mid size steam shovel.
Frequency is the key
No scoop marks just wind and water erosion is what you can see .
@@Bart-Did-it .....thats not how erosion works. Get a better excuse of logic, if you have any.
@@changsangma1915 🤦♂️ erosion has rounded off the tool marks that where left there smooth texture to it all now it’s been 4000 years lol .
Yes scoop marks but when they abandoned it because it broke in half it did not !! Look like it looks now . No need to be nasty it’s a debate not an attack Seesh
buddy,, this is a world wide happening, not just fkn egypt..even china has them.. ask a stone mason, what cuts diarite & grinite. he,ll say diamond. well,,, the tools they used were far harder than diamond. more like lazer.. no human built these structures, world wide, at the same time, .. work it out..theres 250,000 blocks,+, in 1 pyramid, plus, all the main construction inside. it was done in 20 yrs,,haaaahh,, bs.. some of that granite came from 500 miles away.. not humanly possible, its a fkn joke.. the slabs around the pyramid, weigh hundreds of tons each. as flooring..if the egyptians built them, then why do they live in tents & ride camels..not huge granite condo,s.. fake,bs..
Imagine trying to move that thing after it was finished like how ? That's just amazing to think they would have
Not only getting it out of there, but not breaking it on it's long trip to it's final destination. THEN, not breaking it while putting it up. Just crazy to think since we have all been taught that they were "simple savage types" growing up. They obviously had much better techniques than we think they did. People back then didn't do much for no real reason, it's not like they had TV shows to watch or anything :)
The Romans moved many of the largest obelisks to Rome without "modern tech." There is nothing that the Egyptians couldn't have done that they did.
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@@JohnGriffin-tx7yy This is actually a solid point. The obelisk in Rome weighed 400 tons. They transported that from Egypt to Rome.....
So that's 400 tons. Ok.
But what about 1000+ tons?
There are remnants of statues that would have weighed that much.
And there are giant blocks weighing 1000 tons in the quarry.
And how did they cut it, granite, to such precision that only machinery seems to be capable of, not their primitive tools?
Still does not answer these questions.
The scoop marks on the ceiling are easily answered. A jagged stone tied to a stick hanging from two cords. You swing it into the undercut. When the first cord hits, the stone will be forced up and hit the ceiling. You adjust the length of the cords for the height you want to hit.
I have learned more from Yousef and your videos than I ever have by the so called official storytellers.
Yousef says things like: "Stones get heavier as they move up ramps, wooden rollers would be crushed by heavy stones and ramps would need to be concrete to withstand the weight of heavy stones". It is all completely false but Ben likes him anyways.
@@Vision_2 yeah because it gets him more views on TH-cam to promote a fantasy. I agree that the marks weren't made by pounding, but they were definitely probably made by grinding. Archeology supports it and so do all the cultures who have formed mortars in granite around the world...
@@cornholius or maybe it was highly advanced scoops😛😜😜
@@Vision_2 As compared to the official "small rock smash bigger rock very hard, make perfect stone megaliths. If small stone don't work, bronze chisel will chisel it!"
@@user-eh9op4mq4s You are comparing the false statements of Yousef to a false description of reality. Very good.
"It is just so much work, it is laughable" - spoken like a true post industrial human.
@57:55, who's dancing in the shadows in front of the box in the King's Chamber? That was bad ass, being able to do that in one of the oldest still standing structures on the planet!
That may or may not be a Snake Bro :)
he got kicked out for that I believe. Brothers of the Serpent podcast host.
@@fredd3.14 i was there, i was filming it
@@UnchartedX I think it's cool as hell!
@@UnchartedX What if you had a "machine head" that was sort of shaped like an umbrella handle that held several of the hard green ball stones in that shape frame and then frequency or water was used to rotate the stones? That would mean no workers getting exhausted or injured or cramped into small spaces. It would be using the hard stones to bore like in bore holes but in a contained shape which would also allow for the upward angle if it was shaped like an umbrella handle?
There was a way of mining salt in Transilvania where they would cut grooves with chisels in the salt bed and then use wood wedges to cause the salt to fracture and brake in large convex pieces leaving behind a concave hole. And as it was done systematically. The pattern of holes would be highly regular. This looks a lot like that technique.
The general shape and placement (and lack of overlapping) of the scoop marks is the key. As is the long vertical lines left by them. I would be interested in knowing the exact composition of the granite - likely the locations of quarries were based on the composition, as there is a simple way to work it chemically. The quartz and mica in granite are difficult to dissolve, but the feldspar and is much easier to dissolve via hydrolysis, which could be achieved by a method of acid / alkali / salt water moistened fabric bags rolled up into wet cell batteries, using copper and zinc for the electrodes. Sources of calcium, potassium, magnesium are easy - anywhere there is wood to burn you find these. Hydrolysis of feldspar produces types of clay. Mica is extremely brittle and easily washed away or broken down into fine powder. Depending on the type of granite, it could be upwards of 60% feldspar. Immediately the scoop marks to me look like the remnants of places where moistened bag type batteries were placed and allowed to dissolve the area they came into contact with. It explains the ridges between scoop as well - as that is formed by two bags placed beside each other. I think it would behoove someone to run this type of experiment - creating simple wet electrolytic cells using metals / chemicals / plant fiber fabrics available at the time, along with various easy to produce acids and bases, and test out dissolution rates of feldspar containing granite samples.
That sounds logical! I cannot believe that there are no practical trials/ experiments available to see on the few theories.
What's stopping you ?
These stones we see being worked have a quality of being highly aqueous in chemically combined water. What makes sense in terms of a lost higher technology is using vibration to focus on dissonance where the vibration resounds upon the chemical water of formation in the stone. Going after the water would destroy the crystalline structure, which we see hard stone. Think of cement in reverse. The actual chemical structure of quartz includes over 30 H2O molecules. This holds true for nearly every crystal mineral. The method used focused on this fact.
@@mageamenra469 you know that would make a lot of sense. I know its not the same, but it's kinda like a microwave in the fact that you are using the properties of water to achieve something. In the case of the microwave, it uses a specific wavelength that for some reason vibrates the water so that it gets hot from friction. And think of this too, the microwave was discovered on accident. It was also very recent in terms of overall human history, so I think it shows how little we know about so much. If the ultrasonic method can work on this type of rock, i think its safe to assume that they would attach it to a machine arm that could easily pivot to hard-to-reach places. I ain't buying this pounding dolomite theory for a second😂
long ago was not ancient and uncivilized. you are assuming the lie that you accept is truth.
I'm having a rough time digging stairs into a hill made of clay and rock . Can't imagine what they went through to achieve their goals.
They had tools and know how that you can’t even imagine
If you were part of a society that had been working stone with primitive tools for thousands of years it would be a lot easier.
@@TheOffcialElonMusk I doubt that.
@@tommygun5038 woah, careful with that logical thinking. Some people in the various comments don't like that.
Yay, finally!!! I happened to think of you today and wondered: o brother, where art thou? 😀
Awesome! Really great video. It must be so amazing to visit those places and see those things. Thank you for bringing them to us!!
I’m going to throw out a theory I’ve had for a while on the scoop marks. I think we’ve seen the tool and it’s quite famous.
For a while I’ve pondered the “dendera light globe”. A 6m long globe is entirely illogical. Edison’s first globe could fit in your hand why is the dendera one so big, it doesn’t make sense. So what is it? It is being held by the big guy like a chainsaw. This made me think of a tool not a globe. The curved tip could be the source of the scoops. Imagine it used some sort of ultrasonic vibrations that could cut through rock like butter your pit could be scooped out basically at your feet horizontally to the depth of the blade then to widen the pit vertical cuts were made. A smaller version would need to be used for the undercut.
The irregular width is due to only using a portion of the curved tip (deeper cut would be wider).
Please pick the hell out of this theory so we can get closer to the answer.
Awyan believes the bulbs are they're take on how the universe was created along with consciousness i.e. a spark, there's a bit more too it than that but my opinion is the same. How ever there's no sut marks from flames in a lot of places like the pyramids, so they must have had something but as far as the bulbs go that's the best one I've heard. I'm from Scotland and was a bricklayer for many years, everything here is granite I can tell you it's not light and it's not smooth even today it's a struggle so f#@k knows what they did.
So you think the Dendera light, depictions of which are found in the Temple of Hathor - was actually some form of Chainsaw?
@@andrefilipe9042 not a chain but ultrasonic vibrations
Looking at the depicted dendera light it looks like three people mange it, one of them has a small ball on their head. Is that why the pounding balls are found? That the stone worn down and discarded?
@@joecolvin4203 have you ever seen the photos of scientists standing triumphantly around their invention, usually in black and white?
That’s what that carving looks like to me. The assistants supporting it while the main scientist pose. Hehe
Great evidence and case Ben! The videos are better and better every time you post. We all give you thanks for the great work.
I can't even imagine what could have been used to create these marks! It looks almost like something was melting the rock, and scooping at the same time!
A very large sandblaster could create these marks.
Jason Jowett suggests it was done by the Dendara "lightbulb". It looks like it could be a heating element. Powered by the pyramid?
@@methylene5no shortage of sand, but then the trench fills with sand, so maybe the manual labor is simply sand shoveling. That and pushing the gigantic wheel bellows.
That music at the end was 100% worth the video to the end. Plus, we all know this is beyond present explanation what they did back then.
We have several scoop-marked stones on trails in middle TN that look like they had been scooped with fingers. There's definitely something to this.
TN? Tennessee? Not everybody on the internet is a Statian.
Excellent analysis and presentation.
I’ve always questioned the methods and time periods my teachers in High School gave in regards to how long it took them to build these structures such as the Pyramids of Giza and stone structures in Egypt in general. So much so my teachers kicked me out of class a few times for having differing opinions. But I digress. Lol
Yessir
Most of it is ancient concrete.
@@TheMysteryDriver Granite is concrete? Ummm, no.
@@coryCuc the original post is talking about the pyramids and other Egyptian structures, most are not made of granite.
@@TheMysteryDriver Correct. Yet there are plenty of granite that is obviously not concrete or some other aggregate or geopolymer like the limestone blocks quite possibly are. That's all I'm saying.
The simplest explanation by visual evidence is that they knew how to make that rock soft before it was hard... The same way we manipulate cement.
I wonder if anyone tried to use the dolorite as a drill. Put it on the end of a shaft, rotate it with pressure on top. Maybe the "pounding stones" were alot bigger, and the reason there are so many, is that they were used up and replaced with another grinding stone.
i would actually be curious to just tie one to a "stick" and use it more like a conventional pick/hammer
I feel like this content is game changing. The scans are amazing and I love the exploration into thinking about what tools may have been used. Amazing work!
and who used those tools? not human IMHO
This is close up and to me the best on the topic of how.
In short they were playing minecraft
Some of this stuff is simply amazing almost beyond comprehension. How on earth? did they carve granite, dressed and manufactured huge boxes from living granite. Thoroughly enjoyable Ben.
Read the 1611 KJV Bible
How did they? Well do some research the answers are all there and pretty simple. Not some retarded ideas about machines or diamond technologies
Bro, 1:13 straight up marks left by machines they were using. Love your work. Keeping it based on evidence. Stay gold.
Maybe they used diamonds to grind it down. I don't know but I just can NOT get my head around human hands with tools, no matter how good, making the pyramids. What a beautiful and fantastic mystery.
I make model ships and boats, and I use a dremel tool almost daily. The scoop marks you showed, are very similar to the scoop marks left by the mini rotary tool bits I use, but obviously on a much grander scale.
good thought!
All I have to say is that it’s rounded from wind.
I have carved walking sticks with dremel tools for years and you are right. In fact, I could put a bit in the tool and carve a "scoop," now if I wanted to. The granite marks speak of a high-speed grinder.
I use a dremal tool for all of my projects.
And where I see marks like thus the most is when I try and shape dense closed cell foam.
That's a really big Dremal tool to make granite act like foam. Mabe I should make that my next project. Extract a miniture obelisk from a block of foam with a dermal tool and see what happens.
@Joseph Tutor
People imply alot of things.
But as to your "Scepter" reference I am completely intrigued. I always need a new project and I will defiantly look into this and see if I can make something like you described. Sounds like a fun learning project.
Great job, Ben!
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Nice deep dive into how the ancients may have created the scoop marks, I love it! The search for knowledge must always continue, the ancients wanted to make sure their descendants would always seek more knowledge after being amazed by how they made the scoop marks and many more ancient structures around the world.
quite stunning to see the uniform scoops can be found all over the world.
I think the "pounding stones" were actually casters. Something you put under the big heavy thing you want to move.
(pardon for english mistakes:) To me it seems likely that there was not only some machinery that made these scoop marks but also something that made the rock soft and scoopable. If it was hard they would have used straight line cutting like we do today and it wouldnt remind us to marks in icecream and butter.
Exacly, maybe they used sound to soften granite, but how haha
They look more like the scoops were made with a rotating powered drum shaped grinder, to me anyway. BTW, YouR english is exemplary.
Each scoop mark was made by one man, they are curved as that's the arc his arms make when he reached out to the quarry face. It also tells us there were 200 men working on one face, each sitting next to each other pounding the rock. That one side of the obalisk, about 400 men total. What people fail to appreciate is availability of labour. Farming in acient Egypt was seasonal, working on construction projects kept them busy, hundreds of thousands of workers seasonally working on the Pharaoh's project.
@@cmegach3185 you're exactly right, they used the right sound frequency to scoop through the solid rock
@@Diamonddavej there weren't hundred of thousands of people even living in egypt 4 thousand years ago, the availability of labour is a myth
Many thanks for very hard work in producing and providing your valuable information and tutorial. It is so fascinating how on earth they built these enormous works od art. How on earth did they did all that is a mystery to me and many others. I for one sometimes think that aliens long gone could have had exceptional powers to do all this. I cannot imagine that man with primatave tools did. I wish you many successful years in your research again thank you so much may God bless you on your journeys have a great day.
I carved this comment with pounding stones
I just found your videos a few days ago. My theory is this:
balls would be laid out on the area to be eroded, a large flat stone would be placed on top of the stones, then the flat stone on top would be moved in small circular motions with the use of leverage. Eventually the balls would form ‘scoops’ in both the lower bedrock and the sacrificial piece on top. Because of the circular motion, the balls would process (all parts of the ball would be worn down equally). This would create the semi regular pattern of scoops and ridges. As the balls and top sacrificial piece work out, pieces would be replaced. The dust would have to be dealt with some how to keep efficiency up.
This works in my head for a flat and level area being removed. Obviously I haven’t tried it so I don’t know if it would work in person. But continuous motion under pressure would take a lot less work than intermediate spikes of pressure (pounding). You also could only ever pound so hard, but you could always add more weight on top of this system, assuming you could create enough leverage to move it.
I love Jimmy he's like a kid when he's out there seeing it all
Long time fan of Jimmy. He is awesome, in need him to bring out more content 😎
Well, he's kind of always a bit childish. Mean that in the nicest way.
There is a human standing in a fixed spot, grinding the stone away with another round stone. If you stand there you will turn at that angle as well. It's the same width stone they are grinding with against the granite. Try it on a beach with a ball. Or use a sugar cube and grind against it with a round object. The depression is the same
How do educated grown ups believe that dolorite pounder nonsense? It's baffling how they get so blinkered in their thinking 🤔
I recommend you spend a day using a hammer stone. They remove a surprising amount of material and produce this exact pattern
@@whip8 What a shame they don't use them in Egypt to demonstrate how they could be used to carve out obelisks like the one in the video.
I'm a total layman when it comes to this but my initial reaction to the scoop marks was that they looked like something left by rotating barrels of some sort.
i have something more feasible,,,,ACTUAL scoops, its righ there is the word🤣🤣🤣 and to make it sound like i am not joking i will add that of course the scoops were made of special materials that would be heated SO HOT that it would melt through the ice cream err rock as it scooped😇😇 woohoo the mystery is solved!!!
@bina nocht adamantium
Pretty sick documentary hopefully I can be apart of one of these adventures in the near future. Always cool seeing Jimmy in your videos as well. Lol
OK, I'm going to give it a shot with my "theory". Of course, today we see a hot, dry and dusty Egypt. But, (here it comes), has anyone ever hypothesized the use of water, running water, with a slurry of sand / gravel, dolerite balls? Perhaps water under pressure, in the manner of open mining from the Gold Rush? Water falling from a height has tremendous power as it is forced through progressively smaller openings. The Aswan Quarry is now, as you said, about a mile from the Nile. Perhaps in ancient times it was closer? When the Nile would flood perhaps it was possible to bring the water to the quarry? This would have several benefits. Less toxic dust for one, not much space would be needed to force the water into a narrow space (I'm thinking of the vertical holes in the quarry), and it would be a cooler environment for the workers. I see water being used in some way to its best advantage. Natural running water can carve mountains, so under pressure it can be forced to accomplish the same work in less time, and with a slurry, it can quickly cut through stone. Perhaps, besides the crack in the Obelisk, they abandoned the site because the water level became too low and far away to continue? Just an idea. Cheers! Love the channel Ben.
Then why the scalloped edge?
@@BaxterRoss What Scalloped Edge?
I have 0 experience with stone working but as a welder fabricator who works with modern tools and machinery every day, i really liked the water jet idea but imo this looks more like sand blasting. Would be cool to know the ancient secrets.
No matter what the tools used were, I believe alot of those unfinished items were practice work or possible vanity projects not actually meant to be finished
yes, ancient Egyptians didn’t have better things to do but spending 100 years on their knees pounding rocks to make 1100 tons obelisk lol … I love how todays “experts” have explanation for anything and everything , even if it makes no sense what so ever 😂
Remember they didnt have television or casinos to go to back then!
@@rickaguilar1833 but they did have a penis! they had food to grow ,hunt and a whole lost of other things to do, if there were no televisions or casino's today, then you would be punding stone all day...............i think not🤣🤣
Anti-science ostriches with heads in the sand.
I think that they attached a stone to the end of a log to form a hammer which could be used by two men.
@@frederickbowdler8169 oh yeah? Is that how the Trilithons were cut and moved and lifted up and place so tightly not even a razor blade can fit in between the seams?
Yea no