As a mechanical engineer and manufacturing engineer with experience moving heavy things about, I find the material you investigate fascinating. Out of the field of videos available to view on the subject matter and people creating them I find yours to be of the highest integrity since not only do you provide actual video footage from being there yourself, you don't add unsupported wild hypothesis or unproven conjecture on methodology. Please keep up the great work. I would make one request; I'd love to see a video about lost ancient underground 'cities' or large scale tunnel/chamber complexes. Turns out they are all over the place and considering the effort to build an underground city by carving it out of bedrock, you have to wonder why? And when? (Bosnia, Romania, China, Turkey, Egypt, Peru, Mexico etc)
That's the point isn't it. I worked as a master machinist for 20 years, holding tolerances in the thousandths and ten thousandths that's .001" to .0001 of an inch.
I worked in aluminum, iron and steel. Doing the same work in rock with the same tolerances of .001inches to .0001inches in stone requires very specialized tools and methods. Does anyone think the ancients had that technology or was that technology supplied by a higher intelligence?
@Alex Shilson No, all I'm saying is out of the field of videos available he doesn't make wild unsubstantiated explanations, he just asks questions, and points out where more credible research is required. Plus, he's on site himself, not leaching off random other fractured factoids from other research. I don't think he's passing himself off as anything other then a person interested in ancient megalithic construction but the series would benefit at this point from some genuine and verifiable research into methodologies to duplicate the field evidence.
I’m blown away at how incredibly well done your presentations are. You are leading a bigger charge for humanity than you may realize. Please don’t let any of pushback discourage you. So many of us are listening to you- and opening our eyes and minds to think for ourselves and not just accept what we’ve been told.
In my classes in the early 70s at Berkeley where I gained my M.Arch, Spiro Kostoff gave me knowledge of art and architectural history regularly receiving standing ovations at the end of each lecture, I.M. Pei, the designer of the glass Pyramid at The Louvre (among many other historic structures of our time) personally taught me steel reinforced concrete design, and Lewis Mumford (The City in History) argued with me about the value of vernacular architecture as the basis of then-contemporary Sea Ranch, we were all apparently suffering under the ignorance of the popular Egyptology of our time. After a lifetime of continuous practice as a licensed CA architect in sole proprietorship for 45 years now, at 73 years old, thank you, young man, for enlightening me.
I've worked with granite, marble, and even limestone doing high end fireplaces ect... after working within these materials with diamond bits on Rotors and huge cnc blades I couldn't imagine even starting a project as large scale as an obelisk or even a multi ton brick armed only with copper, sand, and fire. It does not add up.
@@mrt5354 I am no expert, but I work with stone and understand that the crystal structure of granite would NOT survive the melting process, it would look like another stone altogether. Fact. So anyone claiming they melted and solidified granite is wrong, plan and simple. I would LOVE to believe otherwise, but it is pressure and time that causes the patterns you see in granite, and that cannot be created by melting it. That and the fact that there is no known lens that melts that stone. Or any stone.
Ben, as an electrical engineer I am in the science camp, meaning I consider myself and engineers, physicists, chemists, medical doctors, and a few other groups all scientists. And I greatly appreciate your opening comments about scientific method and honest debate and hypotheses, as there are very few topics that are “settled science” (as some in the media like to claim). Your research raises so many important questions, especially with respect to tools used for granite carving and cutting. It saddens me to hear any person say “those ideas have been debunked”, or similar dismissive comments. Thank you Ben!
Personally I would love to hear their explanation of how a millimetrically perfectly square, oblong peice of raw granite over two feet larger in diameter than the nearest (sixty foot deep) verticle shaft and weighing many HUNDREDS of tonnes was "lowered" more than a hundred feet into a chamber dug out of solid bed rock..or was it fashioned in situ ?.....all using a round dolomite pebble of course. isnt it amazing the sheer straight edged, dimensionally perfect precision acheived by these people so deep underground with nothing but primitive tallow lamps to see by....would love to hear the explanation.- wonder if any of these "experts" want to buy a one owner low mileage bridge - buyer collect ???
The Great pyramid had an optical prism as it's apex capstone. This was several millennia ago, before the modern age. If anyone has further information on this, they could perhaps open up lines of inquiry on the subject. It looks very as if the Great pyramid functioned as part of a giant spectroscope laser light generator.
The quality and content of your work far surpasses that of the big budget History Channel et al. Such a questioning attitude is what is sorely missing from our MSM. It’s as if the populace is assumed to require placating that we ‘know everything already’.
The Citizens are not to know anything about the past, all Egyptian is bunk, all Israel is bunk,bunk, the truth would thrill you, that's the power point.
Didn't you hear? We have Expedition Unknown with Josh Gates to settle any kind of "unsolved" ancient mysteries now. Except that show is actually just another leg of the conventional narrative, reinforcing the lies that we were taught in school.
Steve, I was about to comment on how well made this was as well. Very engaging, excellent film. I *LOVED* the 3D holographic visual aids, just to name one aspect.
This is occurring all over the Internet. The quality of scientific work in all fields is just staggering. After some time away from TV you will see the lounge lizard people as philistines, adhered as they are to the controlled false media box.
these days mass public can label you as "Centrist" or "Fencesitter" if you dare to have no opinion or open to many opinions....lol gota stay strong and make sure common sense and nuanced debate doesnt get suffocated by peoples desperate climb towards 'utopian society' remember the 90s classic film with Stallone and Snipes? where its illegal to swear ? 😆... "What seems to be your boggle?" 😉 i got sidetracked there. end rant. peace m8👍
And if there ARE similar genuin free thinkers within the Archeo-establishment they keep their mouth shut. This self-censureship is often maintained due to mortgage payments, reputation ( the Victorian kind ) and face loss. In short: they shoot in not only their own foot, but they conscienciously retárd science itsélf. Noe THAT's a crime
@@thomasmacgruber6701 PROPAGANDA is and was necessary to hide science and other intelligence from the masses to be able to claim they were the creators. They created money and turned it into a false premise. The Money Changers . The POLITICIANS. That world is for the evil ones.
I'm just a regular worker bee. Retired bus driver with no expert view to offer one way or another. That being said your videos are chucked full of information and your analysis is detailed and rational enough to keep even the most skeptical from clicking away. Thanks.
Oh, no worries! It's all stored in what some people call the akashic records. The memory of the cosmos is infinite. Literally all the memories of all the people who ever experience(d) Giza are literally stored in some "cosmic brain"
if i was a billionaire i would build one twice as big. I also think that we should dismantle the pyramids, discover and document everything and then put it all back together
@@a_lucientes The ubiquotus "evil europeans" brainless narative of today again... Egypt became muslim in the very early stages of the islam conquest{circa 649 AC} and this is when the pillaging started in earnest, also the country was literally closed to Europe untill Napoleon invasion in 1798 who by the way had over 600 scientists with him who kickstarted the modern exploration of the wonders there. The thousands mosques and not only in Cairo are amost entirely build by shaped stones pillaged from Giza, add the vast destruction unleashed upon the statues, inscription etc due to the inherent for the islam aniconism
Thank you for your thoughtful, careful, patient explorations. The world is filled with egotists, both professional and amateur, who value dominance and "winning" vastly over discovery and truth. They create a morass and test the mature investigators mightily, so I salute you for your balance and your spirit to keep soldiering forward on the higher, harder path. It's the only one worth taking.
If we all spent time solving problems vs. talking it to death we'd be much further in to technologies of all types. Talk is cheap Academics, show us HOW these items were made by your example, and your examples must be a spot on match, not a sorta match with tons of assumptions.
@ J Curtis Great take, and, well said, a result of common sense merely coupled with basic ability to apply it accordingly. A skill set that almost everyone should be able to consistently demonstrate on a daily basis. Truth be known I would venture to say the content that appropriately represents your well supported position, undoubtedly, and, unfortunately will go right past a large number of the so-called educated experts who predictably will attempt to pervert the context, because, of their inability, or, lack of interest to provide true content. Hence, truth will direct one to a position of strength. The growth of an educated, or, industry recognized individual that accepts a precieved vantage that provides him/her a perch, thus, an opportunity to unfavorable look down on common sense. There are a lot of people who are book smart, but, do not have enough sense to get in out of the rain.
Thank for your channel. All of you that are questioning the mainstream, are opening the eyes to a great number of people around the world. Thank you. Question everything no matter how large or small. Search and research. This always needs to happen. We never learn from complacency. Challenge the boundaries of what is known or believed. Cheers!
This is quickly becoming one of BEST channels on youtube. Such a professional presentation and narration. Keep up the good work Ben, we appreciate your hard work!!!
"Where men build on false grounds, the higher they build, the greater is the ruin." -Hobbes, Leviathan Your presentation, as always, is masterly crafted. Also, on a side note, I love that you highlighted a quote from Neal Stephenson, another master craftsman.
I am so happy that you are concerned and knowledgeable about informal fallacies in logic. People fall into these without knowing how bad their reasoning is. You have a great platform on which to educate people on logical informal fallacies since as you have pointed out, professionals in your area commit these fallacies many times unconsciously. I find your arguments very convincing and well thought out.
Not often to find a documentary that is made with so much heart and soul . This is one where you can feel with how much effort this is be done . Thank you for your friendly way you put this together ! It was, and will be for others a pleasure to watch all of the three parts ! I wish you all the best for 2021 !
Went here again 2 years ago as I had not seen the quarry - I just visited Baalbek in 2001 - It was amazing but since then I just learned so much from all sorts of TH-cam videos - and had to return !!! fascinating.. loved seeing these huge megaliths- Love this work !!! You are really giving us such insight into the ancient megalithic world !!!
9:12 The method allowing creation symmetrical statues like Ramses II is presented in the article: “Fabrication methods of the polygonal masonry of large tightly-fitted stone blocks with curved surface interfaces in megalithic structures of Peru” (DOI: 10.20944/preprints202108.0087.v10). TH-cam does not allow a direct link. Search by the article title.
You could explain maybe attempt the replication process using a pantograph but it still doesnt explain (i) the flawless geometry of the original or (ii) the tooling required to perform the cuts without eroding the cutting tip or pantograph mechanism itself. And without lubricatred, rolling element bearings to maintain geometric precision or the mechanism. It would wear out in minutes and they would be chewing through such machines many times daily just to remove millimeters of granite.
@@TheCuriousOrbs >... the replication process using a pantograph ... still doesnt explain (i) the flawless geometry of the original ... The flawless geometry of the original is defined by the flawless geometry of the modelled clay model, the pantograph precision and the stonemason's skill. I do not see any reason for the lack of any of these constituents in the times under consideration. >... the replication process using a pantograph ... still doesnt explain (ii) the tooling required to perform the cuts without eroding the cutting tip or pantograph mechanism itself. ... The pantograph is used as a pointing instrument solely. The stone treatment is a fully manual process performed by the stonemason by means of a hammer and a steel chisel.
For those who are interested in the topic of polygonal masonry. The book “Peruvian polygonal masonry: how, who, when and what for” (114 pp., Litres, Moscow, 2024) has been published. The book is freely available at Litres (to download, a registration is only required).
Those jars are amazing. After watching this video, I went to a local Egyptian museum and they had some of these. Incredible how they stand out next to other Egyptian artifacts.
The conclusion you've made is completely logical. I'm so happy to see your work. Thank you so much for adding to the collective human consciousness and identifying flaws in mainstream/traditional academia. The information you've presented is completely evident by observation of details alone; the mainstream scholars can't argue against it.
This is a RACIST video and should be removed. It implies darker skinned people cannot make things. This white guys ego is bruised and is purely retaliation against Africans
What I find interesting are blocks like the one in the thumbnail picture. Not so much because of their sheer size but because of the apparent lack of preparation of the surrounding area for moving it. Some are deeply recessed into the ground rock appearing to require a vertical lift to extract it.
Exacto and Correcto !!! I have always considered the possibility that this advanced civilization had some power source lost to our present civilization which was able to lift these large pieces with more relative ease than our present chemical combustion instruments and vehicles. Again I state it is extremely frustrating that the present closed circles of academia will not open up to this. I also contend ( but cannot prove ) that there has been some active efforts by the establishments to suppress new findings as they do not jive with the standard closed circled history. There is also the possibility that there has been some active hidden investigations of some of these sites in efforts to find adavnced technology for military / corporate purposes perhaps. Just a thought: An international disclosure of a highly advance world wide civilization ( not as spread out as our current one ) to the present world population would be something that would unite us.....a condition that certain powers would not like to have because of their intended control of the populations.
@@ptauagpt I think you hit the nail on the head with the military/corporation bit. Three things we know for sure about the pyramids: 1 they had technology that accomplishes tasks to a high standard of quality in different ways that we would use today. 2 the most complex products of ancient Egyptian technology have been found in tunnels under the pyramids and in their chambers. 3 Many chambers of the pyramids have been explored but what they found is not public information. It's very easy to imagine that the egyptians used methods of manufacturing, lifting, or energy generation that would be insanely valuable to be the only company/government to learn how to use. To me that makes a lot more sense than the truth being hidden just to protect the egos of egyptologists. This part is purely conjecture but I think it's interesting that Bob Lazar described seeing UFOs while working at area 51 that use the same type of propulsion that we now see in these videos released by the government, and claimed that one had come from an archaeological site.
Glad someone else has made this observation. There appears to be no evidence that these and other large block were moved over land. No roads, no bridges, nothing. They must have been levitated. No other explanation fits what we observe.
@@TopazBadger6550 I think it's extremely unlikely they had some sort of advanced technology to move them. There is even less evidence for that. I think we just haven figured out how they did it. Some individuals have managed to erect some pretty massive stones on their own.
Nice work! I have been watching your investigations into ancient architecture & monuments, & I must tell you - I am from the USA & am a natural stone worker since 1991 & I can, with no doubt, tell you these stones could never have been fabricated with Bronze & sand. The perfection is unbelievable. Huge slabs perfectly flat & polished, interior boxes, tube holes & symmetrical carvings in granite, could never happen. I challenged a 'bronze believer ' to a test. I gave him a steel kitchen knife and a hunk of granite & told him to use sand, cut it, then polish it, perfectly flat like Egypt did, but with steel. I gave him a year to do it. He just smiled as he realized it's not possible. Take that & understand Egyptian 'historians' say the great pyramid was made in 19 years - a set block of 5 to 50 tons every few minutes. Why do people scoff at researchers trying to decode & understand the past, when the only thing laughable is their ridiculous story they try to sell us. Rock on truth brother! We argued over 5000 year history not too long ago. Now it's up to 13000 years history & counting. 3 stages of truth - 1st ridiculed. 2nd violently opposed. 3rd accepted as being self evident. ....almost there!
The minimum length of time for the great pyramid is estimated at 20 years but it could have been closer to 27.... And that is a LOT of time Most blocks weigh less than 3 tons. Only a small minority is above 10 tons "setting a block" every few minutes is not the right metric. We know there were many teams working in parallel (and not one Uber team setting blocks every few minutes) Instead of saying " I could not do it so they could not either" try to understand how they did it.... Because, well, they did
@@thomasxxxxxx2345 Obviously. Now how? & even more important why? I don't understand people who just don't care. I move thin slabs of granite weighing about 1200lbs often. To casually say "most blocks are less than 3 tons" sounds possible in today's world. But not then. We are talking about going from hunter gatherers to monolithic builders in a snap. It's not logical to think they could do this. Just lazy thinking.
@@jeffnelson57 They did not do it in a snap, they build plenty of simpler pyramids before those of Giza and you can see the evolution. Moving 2 to 3 tons is really not a problem.. There are plenty of videos on Utube of regular joes doing just that and more to the point there are plenty of sites around the world where large pieces of rock (from several tons to several hundred tons) were moved. It is really no big deal and requires only the most basic of tools (rope , wood , gravel)... And we as homo sapiens like to build stuff, the bigger, the better... from monoliths, to pyramids, to cathedrals to the eiffel tower to sky scrapers
Such brilliant videos Ben. I’ve been into this subject for more than 30 years now and yours is by far the best, most well read and articulate take i’ve heard outside of Graham Hancock. As Graham has never ventured into this type of video content, that makes you, as far as I’m concerned, by far the world’s foremost content creator on the subject. Hats off. From Ben!
I think this solution for the Osiris shaft checks all four stipulations on the list. How they moved the multi ton block down the Osiris shaft is pretty simple. After they completed the construction of the tomb, they simply back filled the entire project completely full of sand. They moved the Circophicus block on top of the filled in shaft. Now they start digging all the sand back out. As they do, the block slowly sinks down the shaft. There will be no ropes to break. No sudden shift of weight causing the block to free fall. The block would always be sitting on solid ground in a sense. With each bucket full of sand scooped out and sent up by rope, the block would settle a little further down the shaft. Finally, they will have got the block exactly where they want it, not by lifting but by taking away sand. They could control the blocks decent with mathematical precision. A lot of people overlook solutions like this because it's not hi-tech enough. They were hoping it would be some kind of super advanced technology. This solution does fit all four stipulations on the list talked about in the video. If you think it does not tell me why it doesn't. Have a good night.
no, this doesnt work. you would get it down one level, then it needs to be moved horizontally, so you cannot remove sand anymore, and there is no space for a big apparatus or many people or leverage mechanism in the chamber, and people have barely space to slip into the chamber. eventually it needs to be moved horizontally with almost no space. also there is a small tunnel from the osiris shaft in the direction of the pyramids. this tunnel has perfectly angular surfaces, and is too small for a human to fit through, so there is zero possibility for any human to carve it.
Ben, you've nailed it! In fact, nailed it down! I am giddy with anticipation for your return to Puma Punku! The one location - in the middle of nowhere - where the excavation of ten or fifteen meters of clay (obviously the result of a mud tsunami) would possibly, if not likely, reveal that civilization and their technology! Aren't we tired of arguing with the powers that be in Egypt? Other truths lie elsewhere. Maybe greater truths. My bucket list curiosity leads me to Bolivia.
I am new to this line of thought. But this kind of breaking down the existing way of thinking about history actually makes more sense to me than the existing narrative. Thank you for sharing.
I love this theme. Since I was a child, I have looked at ancient civilizations with fascination and bewildered by the rigor and complexity of their deeds. I have a theory about all this. I believe that the civilizations that created these works are much earlier than what is thought and that the peoples occupied these territories and applied their writings, claiming to be their creations.
I contend that there is a good possibility that this technogical advanced civilization used some energy or power source not known to us. Not to sound way out but there is at least a remote possibility that this advanced civilization had flying machines or crafts using aspects of this power source.
A few points if I may: 1.) I can't help thinking we're muddying the waters by asking how the 'ancient Egyptians' achieved these monumental works. The term conflates the creators with dynastic Egyptians - the pharoahs and their ilk. It seems likely to me that they inherited the monolithic creations that leave us in awe these days, in the same way that the Incas and Aztecs inherited their monolithic works. In all parts of the world there is obvious evidence of more primitive homages to the monolithic works having been built on, or around, the really big, technologically superior works. As far as I know, there is ZERO evidence of precise monolithic work appearing on top of less competent structures. The lower construction MUST have preceeded the higher levels, QED. I'd rather we referred to the older architects as ancient Nilotians, or even as the ancient global civilisation, since calling them ancient Egyptians tends to steer people to wonder how the Egyptians did it with the tools available to them at the time. They didn't - at least that's my belief. Sure the AE's did build some good stuff, but the Sphinx? Uh uh - Schoch and JAW's work points conclusivley to it being much older than the dynastic period. Likewise artifacts such as the Serapeum, the hyper-symmetrical statues, never mind the countless other megalithic sites found all over the planet. The painstaking work by Ben on this channel, building on groundbreaking stuff by Carlson/Hancock/JAW etc all makes a compelling case for there having been a previous, advanced global civilisation. 2.) So how did the real ancients do it? We must try to avoid thinking of a previous civilsation in the same terms as ours - that always provokes the same counter-arguments of 'so where are the flying cars then? Where are the cities? The archeological record?' Randall Carlson has the answer to that. No, we consider advanced technology as being based largely on electricity and electronics, money and possessions, and fossil fuels. Our society has developed over the last 5,000 years, give or take. From bashing rocks together to nuclear power, supercomputers, and the Kardashians in five millennia. Yet we know that anatomically modern homo sapiens has been around for at least 100,000 years, possibly much longer. So what then? We sat on our collective arse for 95,000 years and did NOTHING? Or maybe we developed a society radically different to our own. I applaud those who have put forward alternative theories below, but I don't subscribe to the idea that gravity was somehow much weaker in the past, or that rock had different physical characteristics. That would seem to be too much against the laws of physics and nature. But, we do need an alternative to the pathetically inadequate copper chisels, dolorite pounders and countless thousands of people supposedly dragging multi-hundred ton blocks all over the planet. What about sound? I believe it was Tesla who posited that the universe is based on harmonic vibration and frequencies. What if there is a power that we have yet to fully discover that would enable us to manipulate matter using some form of sonic tool? Joshua supposedly brought down the walls of Jericho with sound (trumpets I believe, but that's probably just a 'modern' fallacy). Certain 'fringe' (hate that word) scientists have shown some success in levitating small objects using focussed sound or electromagnetism. It's all basically vibrations of one kind or another. What if they're on to something? Which brings me to.... 3.) I don't have a solution, just a gut feeling, but I do have a pertinent question. Many of the depictions of the ancients in carved reliefs and murals in the Sumerian record and in places like Gobekli Tepe show a large being (usually with a wavy beard) brandishing what looks like a pine cone in one hand, whilst holding what Hancock euphemistically describes as a 'man-bag' in the other. Does anyone categorically know what these items are? They are quite ubiquitous, and always shown being wielded by those with 'power', however that may be defined. My gut tells me that we have something in plain sight that is a massive clue to the source of that 'power'. Unfortunately I don't have any idea what that might be. Discuss. Sorry for war & peace - had to get this out there at 3am so I may have rambled a bit. Keep it up Ben, you are a contemporary treasure.
I’ve worked with granite for years all over London U.K , I worked in surfacing,constructing new roads and footpaths and maintaining existing roads and footpaths etc ,basically a lot of tarmac and a lot of granite set kerbs . I appreciate how heavy granite is and also I familiar with how hard it is , we had the luxury of two stroke petrol engined disc cutters with diamond blades and either hydraulic or pneumatic Jack hammers .I could not even hazard a guess as to how I would go about working this material without these modern tools as even when equipped with them it’s still bloody hard work. Thank you for your great quality content and super interesting videos,I wouldn’t dream of arguing or attempting to solve this ancient conundrum, I just accept it and enjoy them,if I start to question things I’ll drive myself crazy and come to no conclusions so I relax and enjoy if one day someone solves this problem then great but until then Relax and enjoy 🙏🏻👍🏻🥷 I send my kind thoughts to those people of Syria 🇸🇾 and Turkey 🇹🇷 Love and respect to all R.I.P and Godbless you .
I've drilled hundreds of 2 " to 4" holes through concrete full of stones all the way to solid stone a foot thick with a hammer drill with a carbide core bit in order to pass pipes through solid walls. The power needed to cut a helical hole with penetration of a mm per revolution would be in the range of 50 hp. with a pressure of at least a 1,000 lbs on the bit. the cutters would be some kind of super alloy. I can't wrap my head around the machinery being that powerful.
@Walter Melon Well, actually there isn't any evidence that diamonds were known or used by the ancient Egyptians, and as you point out our carbide tipped tools are made of steel with soldered tips, and I can hardly see any other option, it couldn't possibly work with soft metals such as bronze or copper, even if, a big if, diamonds or other hard materials were available, a bronze saw rotating at high revs as the tool marks show, wouldnt stand the apllied forces, so really this is a dead end argument. I also believe these amazing feats of engineering are far older and inherited by the dynastic Egyptians, so don't we agree?
@Walter Melon I spent two weeks at a gold mine diamond drilling operation that was drilling thousands of feet of 2" core samples and those cores were smooth as silk . There diamonds weren't chewing away a mm on every revolution and the only drilled a few feet per day.. I don't see anything we have today that could compete with anchant high technology .
I've used cnc machine force calculators before for my cnc machining business. They can come as an app or stand alone program, even for free. You can input the material properties, feedrates, spindle speed, and work out all the torque and forces.
your content makes my imagination explode! There's no doubt that something special and unknown happened with our ancestors. Thank you for shining light on these sites
I laughed out loud when I saw the holographic image explanation of the Romans using wheels on the end of the 700-1000 ton granite block for the purpose of moving them. “A Stratovarius out of a cigar box” says it all. Great job Ben!
I'm a certified practicing engineer, with a passion for this subject area. I've thought about every modern technology which we would use on this scale to produce these results. I've got nothing.
@@GroberWeisenstein Well then why don't you go ahead and provide a robust, complete description or demonstration of how to precisely recreate these results--every last single tool mark and detail included--using "the technology" you've vaguely referred to. For example, go find a way to recreate the penetration rate and the continuous spiral groove marks on core #7. I dare you. It kind of sounds like you're making sweeping assumptions that you aren't ready to back up. And if you can, well you ought to be a renowned expert on these matters, and I'll eat my hat.
@@GroberWeisenstein Alright, saying "I'm sure it's in a book or something, I assume" isn't quite an air-tight argument. If you have actual evidence that efficiency in stonework *on par with ancient Egyptians* was being done 4 generations back (where by efficiency, I assume you must mean production rate at a given standard of precision, and I'm not sure I know of any cemeteries that would conceivably require the production rate necessary for a megalithic structure), that's one thing. But an empty call to your credentials suggesting that you can simply say it is so, is entirely another. The burden of proof is yours. I apologize for being so confrontational about it, I just don't take kindly to such a seemingly condescending response as "Well then go educate yourself" being put forth without any support--I'm not paying lip service, so much as saying you can say things like this only if you can easily provide substantial evidence to your point. Cheers mate.
pretty amazing, Today if we drill holes in stone, the drill wears down and the drill becomes part of the dust, I'm sure whatever they used to drill these holes also wore down. Is it possible to analyze the dust to try to figure out what they used for their drills?
It's probably been to long to do that but I bet if they really dug the sand up around egypt there will be even more to see and find. Move the sand away
@@初日の出_初日の入り 😅😂🤣 he probably can’t even put a dent with his hammer, but wait right hammers doesn’t exist back in the day, okay use your fork stick and report back to us 😅😂
After following this topic for years I wonder if the Egyptians were more clever than we can imagine. Intricately carved granite is supernatural but the miles of tunnels cut through bedrock begs the question of how did they breath and remove the CO2, what light source and what tools.
I love watching and listening to you. You are doing and seeing everything I've want to do and questioning everything. We have similar thoughts, the archaeologists need to start again. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CHANNEL. X
As a machinist the machining marks are known literally as “witness marks” and when machining in modern times and with precision parts you generally don’t want to leave any or at least keep them to a minimum with better control of the tool, the workpiece and speeds and feeds. Much like the ancients did with the nearly perfectly symmetrical statuary
@@sahhull absolutely! When we go on-site to do in-place machining it would be unthinkable to leave hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in precision tooling at a customers site. But in most cases the work comes to us and is done in our shop then sent back wherever in the world it came from. In either case there won’t be any of our tools found next to our customers’ parts 5,000yrs from now.
Intriguing questions...I hope I'm still around when modern man unearths definitive proof of our ancient past. Something big, that the establishment experts can no longer ignore.
So happy Randall Carlson led me to your podcast Ben. I've been learning so much from you and your guests. I love thinking about this ancient history and how in the dark we are about it. Thx for all your work. I hope to get to Egypt one day too.
Finally someone breaking through with some good analysis about the ancient stonework. My bachelor thesis was about this! No AA or AA debunked BS, but science! Tried to do so myself but my videopresentation skills are lacking. I'd love to do a podcast with you man!
I know you're trying to address World of Antiquity's critiques. I'm watching you both. I'll sit here with my popcorn on my lap and my mind open. Carry on.
Hey Andrew, you have taken the words right out of my mouth. This is obviously a response to World of Ancient Antiquities. Ben does put forward very compelling arguments...but so does David. Like you, i will sit and watch both with my popcorn. It is nice to know someone else here is weighing things up from both perspectives...peace to ya.
World of Antiquity, Scientists Against Myths, Sacred Geometry Decoded...etc etc. There are so many channels devoted to disproving what Ben and Brien Foerster have to say, really makes you wonder why an idea is being attacked so voraciously.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle You would be doing a disservice to UnchartedX and Brien Foerster's arguments to not listen to them though. Even Ben in this video acknowledges the scientific method is one of an adversarial system where vigorous debate becomes the crucible on which irrelevancies and falsehoods are burned away to reveal the truth. It's got nothing to do with the 'why' their thoughts are being questioned, the 'why' is part of the process. Besides, good, honest debate has become such a rare thing in this world watching one unfold is a rare treat. Like watching a movie that isn't based on marvel superheroes. ;)
I will embarrass myself here and ask this question: Is there any possibility that the direction we are looking at all of this is incorrect? We keep asking, "How can these stones be worked and moved using the tools that these ancient cultures had at hand?" - is there ANY value in asking "Has stone, over time, and for some unknown reason, changed it's properties so much that what we experience today makes what the ancients were working with seem impossible." I know this sounds ridiculous but I base this question on the work that has been done calculating muscle mass and the overall weight of some of the biggest dinosaurs that walked the Earth. Some of the features of the dinosaurs (long extended necks) would have been impossible for them to operate in today's gravity (something in the range of 50K lbs per square inch - enough to easily bend/break a steel girder). For these creature's muscle and bone to withstand the pressures exerted on them, Earth's gravity would have had to have been 1/3rd what it is today. If the environment that we experience today has not always been the same - could the properties of the materials we find on Earth today have also varied over time. Was rock lighter, or somehow more malleable at an earlier time in our history? I know it's an odd direction to go - but these questions are perplexing and they deserve being approached at ever angle if we are interested in finding an answer. Love these videos. Thanks.
Matt Wood, I am very impressed with the questions you’ve posed. I have often pondered whether the force of gravity itself has increased over time and how would that affect the bonds between atoms. Also, did the cataclysm have an affect on gravity in some way? Very interesting stuff, thanks for your thoughts.
One needs to think outside of the box to come up with a logical explanation that fits the known facts. No one is doing that. Everyone is still inside the box of thinking that ancient stoneworks were worked as stone but they were not. Instead they were poured, possibly all of them. The secret of ancient stonework was not in mechanically quarrying it and shaping it but in mixing it in a powdered form and casting it in molds, including even of gargantuan size. I've found and shared the evidence proving that over and over and over. If you want to learn the still undiscovered truth you can find it in my face book group: Ancient Stonework Mysteries.
I cant help but wonder these same things! I certainly believe some monuments were a type of concrete, but I think the massive blocks only half cut out show they were not poured. Even if the blocks were "softer" they wouldn't necessarily be any lighter. As for gravity, I have no idea how that could change.
The electric universe , thinks Earth 🌎 orbited Saturn as a brown dwarf star ⭐, now we orbit the sun 🌞, and that could have changed gravity of earth 🌎. Just a idea to explain what we find now.
I really think you should do a video on logic. I transfer taking logic 101 in college and I realised immediately that this is something that should be taught to everyone, at least once in highschool and maybe touched upon in earlier grades. You see fallacies used EVERYWHERE in supposedly serious and depth discussions, debates, education, news, politics, business, etc. I'm always happy when I see someone mention it, which is rare. Thank you.
Talk about "logic" ?? You need to touch-up on your vocabulary & spelling there junior !! And, why did Ben mark you with a heart ? I just want to know "why" ? That's all. Anyways,......Peace.
As a teacher, I make a point of saying "that's a really good question, I don't know the answer" when my students ask me a really tough question. Sometimes I'm able to find an answer and share it with them, other times I have to go back and say "I can't find that anywhere, isn't that interesting?". I've always found it more interesting to have a head full of questions than to think you know the answers, and I love to share that. Unfortunately, it often feels like archaeology doesn't take that view. It often feels more like a religion than a science, especially when it sees everything as either a religious artefact, temple, or a tomb.
Really appreciate your work Ben! I always bring a cup of coffee to your videos. There are fewer people these days that think outside the box. Most people live inside their own little life bubble, not realizing the world around them. Archaeology today is way to dogmatic, which is why this channel is a breath of fresh air
As a retired Construction Manager in the UK I can bear witness to core drilling and use of track saws. Both require bolting the base of the drill and the track to some part of the structure to be drilled or cut. First, in your videos we do not see bolt holes to fix the equipment to the work piece with expanding anchors. Second, in order to cut or drill relatively soft concrete it requires diamond tipped core drills and circular saw blades, all of which wear out very quickly. I am as confused as you are as to the methods used to create the statues, columns etc. I firmly believe as you suggest that there must have existed a highly qualified, intelligent and efficient civilization that was able to produce such wonders. Thank you for a great series of videos.
Wow, I’d never heard of Ollantautambo before. I’m totally in awe at it. Why is this not talked about more? They have used exactly the same building methods as the Egyptians (unnecessarily complicated joins etc). I can barely even find any info online about it. I’m confused as to why this isn’t HUGE news and a conversation point. It looks like its been built by the same people 😮
I like some of the issues you pointed out in this video. Your indication of the unfinished monolith indicates (to me) that the workers on this project were in the middle of cutting and shaping it when the great flood hit. Too bad, they had over 100 years to get ready for it.
Careful though, the scientific support for a global flood has been almost exclusively produced by young earthers who believe the planet and universe are only roughly 6,000 years old (A claim not made in the Bible, and actual simple knowledge of the Hebrew language used in Genesis very likely defeats this notion, specifically that the Hebrew states that YHWH REMADE the heavens, and further that we were to REPLENISH the Earth, not simply plenish it!). For example Christian young earth academics reject the notion of the Younger Dryas (sp) catastrophy because evidence for it suggests that it occurred before the creation of the universe. I hope that you can see hypothesies and theories are being built to support ideologies by almost all sides in this information/reality war. It would be so much more profitable to attempt to discover the truth, then understand how the Bible relates to the truth. If Christ is the truth, why would we try to obscure the truth?
Ben, thank you for your work. You explain things impeccably. Your videos are the main obsession of mine right now as they are clear, concise and well researched. Top shelf mate. Cheers.
I'm a contractor civil engineer, and I can assure u we cannot do the same marvels done with our machinery now days. For sure, very advanced technology was used. Even an inexperienced eye can see the marvel of those structures
Damn your videos are on point. Loved every second of this. I have seen all of your videos and thought many times: How the hell could whole temples and sites have been destoyed in such a fashion that massive stone are broken up and thrown around. There must have been some unimaginable catastrophe. Truely unthinkable forces.
Love your channel, being heavy highway laborer, Ive done practically everything to lumber beams dirt, stone concrete metal, your tools must be at least equal and of greater material strength than the work piece, and there lies the problem, what tools or process is required to make what wouldbe your hardest substance as tools like diorite, and why dont we find broken parts or machinery lost due to carelessness or buried or sunk, as these do happen, we know they happen, bcz we find stuff all the time, maybe the timeframe is just too vast and they succumbed to elements and time itself
LOVE #1 BABY! I’ve been waiting patiently for this Ben, always worth the wait. So I watched a nay sayer of yours “deconstruct” your work. He made 2 videos which I think is a huge compliment to you. If you’re pissing ppl off you’re doing something right. 1 thing he did was give too much time to your choice of words. “He said ‘my favorite’ instead of ‘the best examples’”. Picking nits much? I found it super ironic that he closes by saying “if you want to know how the ancients worked stone don’t ask a modern stone worker.” That’s when I got pissed! Whom else are we to ask? There are no ancient stone workers left. In 2 vids adding up to 1:45ish hours he doesn’t mention Yusuf until the very very end of the second & only give him 55 seconds of time. I haven’t learned not to argue online yet & I told him his convenient way of ignoring Yusuf was disingenuous at best & downright deception at worst. He bitched that you look at the giant boxes at the corners that a machine clearly chewed on and says “what kind of machine?” That’s the point yo! We don’t know but the evidence is right there. I called out the liquid polish explanation & his lack of including it in his vid. Which I now realize might have been from a vid he wasn’t talking about...but my point about your amazing guide still stands. Long story short is that you rock & he sucks so much! The end
BoxerShark I was screaming through both videos. My family thought I as crazy. I was extra pissed about ignoring Yusuf, he’s such an important part of Ben’s work.
You'd be surprised....there are SEVERAL youtube accounts *dedicated* to "disproving" what Ben (and Brien Foerster) have to say regarding ancient lost technology.
BoxerShark I’ve always “known” the Sphinx was much older then 5,000 years. In retrospect I must have seen John Anthony West’s special in early high school but it stayed with me & have always looked at old stuff with that eye. I look at Babylonian ruins & know that some are WAY WAY older then others. Some have been under water. JAW has had an exceptional influence on my perspective & ability for critical thinking. It’s that old “well they say it’s...so it must be...” I don’t believe everything I read, & I surely don’t trust any government.
I just noticed Ben took down his approval heart. I wondered if it was bc I started an unintended YT comment conflict. I would be mortified to inspire behavior that reflects poorly on Ben or Brien or Graham. Then I noticed all approval hearts are removed & I feel so much better. The end
When I visited Baalbek as a student decades ago it was plainly stated by the local academic showing us around that the base of the temple, including the 3 large stones, was pre-Roman. I do not recall that assertion as being in dispute. I take it the mainstream position has evolved.
39:36 that clip from friends with the couch pivot pivot was the best comparison of trying to move those big blocks down a narrow hallway i ever seen lmfao
Had a thought inspired by some construction. The quarrying scoop marks such as those around the unfinished obelisk, remind me of the marks made by clay spade bits in clay and hard soil, but much bigger! Thoughts on one of the tools used to quarry the rock in ancient times was some kind of massive rotary hammer/drill? It would explain one tool being able to do a lot of the work, with a change of bits you could go from quarrying obelisks to drilling holes.
UnchartedX, one thing I've learned from the internet is, " never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level every time", keep doing what you are doing, there is plenty of us out there with open minds who thank you for your work.👏👏👏👏
@@brienfoerster ok no worries.....my mistake.....Aiden Dodson is the mummy expert from Bristol University who does the ancient world tours and sometimes is on egypt docs....looks a bit like mr gumby....nevermind I got my wires crossed :D
The Stone of the Pregnant Woman fits the description of the stone of the head of the corner of Solomon's Temple, which is in the Testament of Solomon. In it, it was a stone so heavy that Solomon's workmen, neither the devils under his command, could lift it. But there were two devils that Solomon gained control over by God's permission, and they could lift it. And when they did, Solomon outwitted them and forced them to remain holding it at an oblique angle, keeping the stone hanging in mid-air. This stone remains at an oblique angle and is among the heaviest in the world. This also means that the true location of Jerusalem, is actually Baalbek.
The Christian/Jewish Bible talks about God having to stop the human technological advancement with confusion of languages at the Tower of Babel because mankind was getting into dangerous capabilities and also the later civilisation destruction of the Noah story. Moses was brought up in the learning of Egypt and also learnt some more history from his father-in-law Jethro so he would have known the histories. Interesting the climate record shows 2 sudden cold snaps at the end of the Ice Age, one about 16,500 BC and the later Younger Dryas.
Surely in general there is a direct correlation between the level of precision in the finished article and the precision of the tools and equipment used to achieve it.
Well done. Very well done. Clear. honest, fascinating. I appreciated Graham Hancock's books as well, and most recently read David Graeber and David Wengrow's "The Dawn of Everything" which also pushes back into prehistory our experimentation between democracy and authoritarianism, and violent vs. pacifist societies.
It's not like this guy is saying "IT'S Aliens!" He's just saying we lost some high end rock moving/shaping technology somewhere in the past for unknown reasons. Like, why is that such a hard concept to investigate and ponder. It's a much more reasonable conclusion than, rock balls/wood/copper saws made such precision cuts and intricate details. It's many times more reasonable than saying "Aliens did it and left". So what, so sometime in the past we had the capability to cut and shape stone at will with some high end stuff, perhaps our ancient ancient ancient ancestors figured out how to make iron circular saws powered by water mills along the rivers. The many years we are talking here, the iron saw blades they perhaps had would have rusted out and never ever be part of the historic archaeological tool record as they would just rust away. But even a shitty iron circular saw would last longer than a copper blade. So it pushes the human record back a bit, oh well, no biggy. It's obvious, the ancient ancient ancient humans were smart and had shit figured out. They died off and we lived like morons for a few thousand years and it took us awhile to refigure shit out. That's really not a hard concept to grasp or wrap your head around. Thank you for the video. Great food for thought.
lol...i love your first line. i feel that passion and frustration.😁😉👍 its a test of character to be able to weather the storm of the status quo/ mainstream pre-established 'camps' of thought.... i felt frustrated for years that Graham Hancock was labelled a crazy person into woo woo nonsense. then gobekli tepe happened. its a consistent chain of discoveries since then. all of which point to a NEW refreshed Timeline. i love the idea that humans reached mega advanced stages multiple times...maybe even engineered dinosaurs who then wiped out their creators hehe?🤔.. anyway the fact that Sumerians and Egyptians may have INHERITED some monuments is absolutely MindBlowing and brings joy to many of us.
@Vadim VeeVoit It's not that it's really really all that hard to believe that there was some extra terrestrial aerial help. But it's another thing to flat out claim its so. We don't have 100% proof that it was though and that should make any scientist wary in claiming its so. Science is theories until proven one way or another. This guy is putting on a very good argument that sometime in the past WE had better rock forming skills than what the archaeological evidence can account for. For this TH-camr to just go and say "It was Aliens" would destroy his credibility and any chance of him being taken seriously in a field that already treats non conformists or challengers harshly. So, while there is some evidence to possibly say we as a species had out side help, ie extraterrestrial, we can not prove with a shadow of a doubt that we did. What we can say however with the proof we do have, was that sometime in the past we had rock forming/movement skills as good or possibly better than present day and that whats currently taught by those in power is quite possibly wrong. Bronze saws and silica sand indeed.
It's incredible to think that the author of those books has been at this for decades and his works are suppressed by Egyptologists and other intellectual barbarians
@@reynardsawyer7660 you mean by people that have studied the subject all of their lives and recognise someone who makes totally unfounded statements and has no actual evidence ...........how dare they....
These people had been working for centuries in stone and were master in their craft. Just because you cannot imagine life without power tools just shows lack of imagination.
Ignore all criticism! You are absolutely right! In the seventies, I lived amongst the stoneage Highland New Guineans, then in the eighties read The Iliad, and it struck me that Homer's description of the gods could be likened to the same view of a stoneage people to us Europeans and our technology. My guess is that epidemiology prevented interaction between a high civilisation and primitive cultures eons ago.
@gdpm I wouldn't really call it "easy," if you have to flail away at the stone for an hour to get, maybe, a few centimetres of cut. But I'll grant that it's possible, and I think (if I'm understanding him correctly) even he does, in this video. His claim is that the results don't match the ancient examples (e.g. things like the pattern of grooves in the cores) and could not achieve the high precision we see. Since the experimentalists you're linking to don't have infinite money and time, they're not really in a position to attempt to replicate something like one of the granite boxes in the Serapeum. Maybe if somebody could goad Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos into wanting to be buried in a Great Pyramid... Disclosure: I aim my skepticism in both directions, and I think I could make a fairly good case for either side (though not as good as either a professional archaeologist, engineer, or stonemason).
@Alex Shilson I think you meant to say "UnchartedX is *not* as open..." :) If what you say is true, that's really too bad. U-X is my favorite Ancient High Technology (AHT) proponent, because he doesn't bound off into wild speculation ("the Great Pyramid was a Wardenclyffe tower!"). So why not follow the evidence wherever it leads? It's not as if U-X couldn't still lead tours to Egypt to see these amazing artifacts even if he accepted standard Egyptology. I've watched some of SGD's videos, and subscribed to his channel, as well as the Russian experimentalists. I think one of the big reasons the Ancient Low Technology (ALT, i.e. the standard view) is hard for modern people to accept is that we are accustomed to the ability of mechanized technology to produce artifacts quickly and (fairly) easily. A modern person would not wait months or years to have a granite countertop made by hand. The female Russian experimentalist (sorry, I don't remember her name) showed that she could make a stone bowl out of brecciated marble in six months. An ancient master sculptor would have been able to do it in less time because they'd already mastered the learning curve, but even three months to make a bowl is still a very long time (and a lot of patience and hard work) by modern standards. "Sheesh, if the king just wants a fancy bowl to put in his tomb, we could make a really nice one out of cedar, cover it in gold and inlaid gems, and have it for him in days rather than months." OTOH, modern society isn't interested in building things to last for thousands of years; we build for return-on-investment. So the idea of taking a year or more to carve a giant granite box for the purpose of interring a sacred bull in an underground chamber where the box is never meant to be seen again, is pretty much unthinkable to the modern mind. So it's arguable that the LHT hypothesis is based mostly on projecting modern values onto ancient peoples who had other ideas about what was worth doing and why.
I'm not an engineer but I am a CNC machinist, with 22 years of experience, working with CNC mills, folding machines, punch presses, cutting lasers, press brakes, and tube lasers. The primary problem with egyptologists, is that they are entrenched in academia. These are the gatekeepers. They are guarding all of the locks, they are holding all of the keys, and they WILL NOT give up their power. Not willingly, at least. Modern egyptologists are jokes. They cannot look at these works, and not see what I can't avoid. There is literally no way that this level of both precision, and consistency could be achieved by any method besides controlled, repeatable methods. Then you have the words of the Egyptians, themselves. They say that this was a legacy, of a time when the gods lived here. What kind of technology they used, is open to speculation but the fact that they did have advanced, precision technology, probably more sophisticated than that which we, ourselves possess, is beyond question. I believe that that anyone who approaches this, with an open mind, cannot help but come to that same conclusion. Thanks for your excellent work!
hey i always wanted to know. Copper and Bronze arent as reactive as iron. So doesnt it make sense that we only find iron so far back because the rest of its rusted away. And then even further back we only find stone because the copper and bronze eventually do as well. I would like to see someone lay out the decay rates of metals alongside the "Ages of Man" Something tells me thats gonna line up.
why would you craft copper tools if you in posession of iron or steel tools? i think the egyptians we "know" neither got ironbase tools nor did they build all those wonders wich we give them credit for
The hubris of the archeologists thinking they're also engineers. Why not point out the obvious and say, "You're asking the wrong people. We FOUND it- that's what we do. We're not responsible for telling you how it was used or made. That's up to the historians and engineers to debate."
Good video Ben I enjoyed that one a lot. The BS that we are supposed to believe, where just some common sense refutes it. Liked the part on the Thunder Stone. I made a video 3-4 years ago debunking the claimed size of that thing. Caught a lot of shit for it. I see the link for the article. Thanks. Going to check that out.
My argument has always been this, all civilizations we “know” of, even the romans, started out primitive and then get more technical. All but the Egyptians, who’s old kingdom produced such wonders that the new kingdom reused or re-purposed. Why didnt they just make more? What was lost? The fact that it all seemed to just stop is fascinating.....
The timeline. Comet impact in Younger Dryas period. Around 10,500 years B.C. some for of cataclysm, forced people underground or into shelter.. only so.e survived. Technology lost.. only oirigin stories and what really matter left behind.. no more Technology only the love we were meant to share and how yo ascend our inner spirit into the afterlife.. all of it also has astrological ties that mater dynastic Egyptians didn't understand as well. They also carved primitive rough crude looking hieroglyphs with hand tools into masterpiece flawless statues that were clearly machines. Drill holes, saw marks, heavy objects in seemingly impossible boxes and stones and artifacts and statues in places high and low seemingly impossible to get to or build by hand. The unfinished obelisk for crying out loud.
Because it ignores all the evidence right across Egypt and Nubia and the Nile delta in support of one agenda, to deny the mother continent its heritage. It would rather we believe beings came through portals like the mythical stargate and just for the hell of it created great cities, temples and monuments in an inhospitable environment, only to Fcuk off never to be seen again with no trace of anything but human endeavours, rather than accept and admire the fact that the greatest human civilization is not Caucasian. It actually speaks volumes about where the agenda sits. We should instead give the peoples of mother continent props for producing this wonderful legacy and quit this relentless unedifying conspiracy nonesense. I could say it was 'ewoks' who built stonehenge, and there would be people willing to suck it up. Incidentally, Egyption civilization pre-dates stonehenge by well over 1000 years. As impressive as it is for physical endeavour, dragging huge blue stones hundreds of miles from Wales to southern England, it pails in comparison to Egypt's wonders.
Great video. You know, the one question I never hear is; why cut such huge blocks if it wasn't easy to do? Why wouldn't the Egyptians simply cut smaller stones and make it easier on themselves? Obviously whoever built the site, had technology that would make it feasible to cut such large granite blocks and move them with precision. It must be hard to be an Egyptologist and look yourself in the mirror.
The disciple of Aristotle Alexander the great , arriving at Baalbek immediately saw the mark of the Gods ( Ets, Giants). He told none of his entourage. He kept to his plan of conquest. Defeated Xerxes and turned to egypt. His conquest of Egypt was the easiest. Before launching his assault he demanded that a high priest of Egypt stands before him... Thus he addressed the high priest : I saw what others could not see. I saw the mark of the Gods in Baalbek. The same mark is at Giza... Do not deny it ! The high priest bowed deeply : Alexander, only a God can see the mark of a God. After your victory we will meet at Siwa...my pharaoh , where the disciples of Amun will welcome you , Alexander the great among the Gods...
This is a RACIST show because it implies that Africans cannot achieve arts and crafts. And YT should remove these videos. The white man is SYSTEMATICALLY DISCRIMINATING against people of color.
I'll preface this by saying that I don't have much knowledge or expertise on these topics, but one thought did come to mind, which I'm sure has suggested before as well. When you're talking about the boxes were moved into the Serapeum, I have a though about how part of that process could have been accomplished- specifically, how a large stone could have been lowered straight down. If they filled the area with sand before bringing in the stone, and then dig out the sand again once the stone is in place, the stone would be lowered slowly while the sand is being dug out from underneath it. I'm not sure what other challenges or problems this theory would entail though. At the least, they would need to have some way of removing the final traces of sand, allowing the box to rest completely on the floor without any sand underneath. Just thought I would share though.
the issue with this is that eventually it would have to be move horizontally, from the shaft into the chamber to the next shaft, with space for any big mechanisms or many people. Also, it requires the entire thing to be filled up and cleared multiple times, with very little surface area. the amount of unnecessary labor that the shape of the osiris shaft and the use of the boxes introduces makes the entire narrative completely irrational.
I’m leaning towards the blocks were lowered into place from above. There is some evidence this is possible due to symmetrical lugs or handles on some blocks. Quite likely, in my opinion, that tube drilled items are actually construction tools…
Hi Ben Today we can move horizontally very heavy objects weighing 1000's of tons but certain stringent conditions must be met. The surface to be moved on must be smooth and flat and lie in the same plane or close to it. The devices I have used are commercially available from the US. They are called Aerogo castors. These can use compressed air or sometimes water. About 30 years ago I have supervised the movement of a 50t object kilometers using compressed air. I understand that they moved a football stadium in the US with these castors. Generally the object to be lifted is floated on a thin film of fluid (air or water) with virtually zero friction. The granite boxes you refer to can be pushed by a few people due to zero friction. However if the passages are on an incline the magnitude of the restraining force required is ---- the object weight times the tan of the incline angle. The problem is when these castors inflate the object will run away downhill due to near zero friction. This does not explain how ancient people created a flat smooth surface or lift/lower the object vertically down a mountain or around objects. I am just explaining how heavy objects may be maneuvered horizontally today under ideal conditions. It leaves out how these ancient people created the equivalent of Aerogo castors or created the high pressure air or water, the high pressure hoses, fittings, pressure regulators etc etc to make these devices work. Regardless this is very high tech stuff requiring a bit more than copper chisels. It is not my intention to muddy the waters, just reacting to some ill informed people saying we cannot do certain things today. We can move very heavy objects but definitely not under their same environmental operating conditions as the ancients.
Not really. Men launch barges and ships by inflating fairly crude rubber sausages with quite a low pressure in them. They can then be rolled along uneven surfaces stone's beaches mud banks etc. I moved 20 a ton block of liscannor on my own with two crow bars and a few pebbles, under the guidance of the quarry master. It was a completely impossible task until he gave me the instructions and then it was so easy even a novice could do it. These jobs are only impossible when you don't know how but mundanely simple after you do.
As always: exceedingly well argued. Also BRILLIANT! Please afford us an episode from 36:25. WHY did the work stop? Be as wildly speculative as you wish, Good Sir! You have MORE than EARNED it!!!
In my perspective the reason that we have to argue your very salient points regarding ancient high technology is the prevalent basis of thinking that man evolved from a primitive form slowly throughout the millennia instead of man that devolved after a post global catastrophe. When we realize we need as a species to observe and research rather than assume mental myths, then we can move on to finer realities. Thank you for advancing those finer realities.
Here in Germany and Central Europe there are many artificial caves called "Erdställe" which were created over 10.000 years ago. It has clearly mechanical traces and the walls are like glazed. The oldest ones are the most perfect as so often. They found traces of steel in the walls. In the Middle Ages, these passages were closed by the church with extreme effort by diverting rivers and introducing mud. A German researcher who has done a lot of research on this is Dr. Heinrich Kusch.
Dude I'm so psyched you brought up the trivium. I'd be interested to know how you learned of this. I've seen a lot of your work and podcasts you've been on and was pleasantly surprised to see you reference logical fallacies and the trivium. Good job.
Hey, it's Mr. Opinion, I know what you mean, I'm subscribed to your channel and I had to glance twice, thought that was you, cool to see you enjoying this incredible subject as well, it's extremely interesting, I always enjoy your videos sir.
@@Daavi85 Small world, eh? Yes, this stuff fascinates me, and Ben does an excellent job presenting it. He's on my short list of people I'd love to run into at a bar.
Ben don't be surprised by your success.....idk if you give yourself proper credit sir but you are a straight up expert in this field.....EXPERT!!!! there's no doubt about it man....your well spoken and well educated and you got boots on the ground as they say.....really enjoy your videos and overall thoughts.....cheers
Alex Shilson you clearly have never seen one of these spherical dolerite balls or so called “pounders” if you had you would realise nature doesn’t make perfect hand sized hardness 7 rocks for humans to hit other rocks. Cleary this science you referenced is your own stupidity.
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As a mechanical engineer and manufacturing engineer with experience moving heavy things about, I find the material you investigate fascinating. Out of the field of videos available to view on the subject matter and people creating them I find yours to be of the highest integrity since not only do you provide actual video footage from being there yourself, you don't add unsupported wild hypothesis or unproven conjecture on methodology. Please keep up the great work. I would make one request; I'd love to see a video about lost ancient underground 'cities' or large scale tunnel/chamber complexes. Turns out they are all over the place and considering the effort to build an underground city by carving it out of bedrock, you have to wonder why? And when? (Bosnia, Romania, China, Turkey, Egypt, Peru, Mexico etc)
Well said. I wish I had the same eloquence.
Awesome.... I'd love to see an extensive vid on the carved out temples in India, to be specific...
That's the point isn't it. I worked as a master machinist for 20 years, holding tolerances in the thousandths and ten thousandths that's .001" to .0001 of an inch.
I worked in aluminum, iron and steel. Doing the same work in rock with the same tolerances of .001inches to .0001inches in stone requires very specialized tools and methods. Does anyone think the ancients had that technology or was that technology supplied by a higher intelligence?
@Alex Shilson No, all I'm saying is out of the field of videos available he doesn't make wild unsubstantiated explanations, he just asks questions, and points out where more credible research is required. Plus, he's on site himself, not leaching off random other fractured factoids from other research. I don't think he's passing himself off as anything other then a person interested in ancient megalithic construction but the series would benefit at this point from some genuine and verifiable research into methodologies to duplicate the field evidence.
I’m blown away at how incredibly well done your presentations are. You are leading a bigger charge for humanity than you may realize. Please don’t let any of pushback discourage you. So many of us are listening to you- and opening our eyes and minds to think for ourselves and not just accept what we’ve been told.
me totally agree too
We need more of us
SG1 is with you too 😂
Well said....
In my classes in the early 70s at Berkeley where I gained my M.Arch, Spiro Kostoff gave me knowledge of art and architectural history regularly receiving standing ovations at the end of each lecture, I.M. Pei, the designer of the glass Pyramid at The Louvre (among many other historic structures of our time) personally taught me steel reinforced concrete design, and Lewis Mumford (The City in History) argued with me about the value of vernacular architecture as the basis of then-contemporary Sea Ranch, we were all apparently suffering under the ignorance of the popular Egyptology of our time. After a lifetime of continuous practice as a licensed CA architect in sole proprietorship for 45 years now, at 73 years old, thank you, young man, for enlightening me.
Berkeley🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@cravenmoorehead7099 compelling argument, "craving more head", if that even is your real name
@@soulbot119 my real name is Phil McCrevice
@@cravenmoorehead7099 yeah and mines Ben Doone
What's up guys iva biggun here
I've worked with granite, marble, and even limestone doing high end fireplaces ect... after working within these materials with diamond bits on Rotors and huge cnc blades I couldn't imagine even starting a project as large scale as an obelisk or even a multi ton brick armed only with copper, sand, and fire. It does not add up.
CNC machinist here and I feel like I banging my head against a wall talking to people about this
@luke Germain thanks for sharing your expertise! Your hands on experience is worth more than words of well known Egyptologists
What if you had a lifetime and the threat of death for you and your family hanging over you?
add time and religion, and you are set
@@mrt5354 I am no expert, but I work with stone and understand that the crystal structure of granite would NOT survive the melting process, it would look like another stone altogether. Fact. So anyone claiming they melted and solidified granite is wrong, plan and simple. I would LOVE to believe otherwise, but it is pressure and time that causes the patterns you see in granite, and that cannot be created by melting it. That and the fact that there is no known lens that melts that stone. Or any stone.
Thank you for masterfully articulating the online "discussion" debacle...really well said.
Ben, as an electrical engineer I am in the science camp, meaning I consider myself and engineers, physicists, chemists, medical doctors, and a few other groups all scientists. And I greatly appreciate your opening comments about scientific method and honest debate and hypotheses, as there are very few topics that are “settled science” (as some in the media like to claim). Your research raises so many important questions, especially with respect to tools used for granite carving and cutting. It saddens me to hear any person say “those ideas have been debunked”, or similar dismissive comments. Thank you Ben!
Personally I would love to hear their explanation of how a millimetrically perfectly square, oblong peice of raw granite over two feet larger in diameter than the nearest (sixty foot deep) verticle shaft and weighing many HUNDREDS of tonnes was "lowered" more than a hundred feet into a chamber dug out of solid bed rock..or was it fashioned in situ ?.....all using a round dolomite pebble of course. isnt it amazing the sheer straight edged, dimensionally perfect precision acheived by these people so deep underground with nothing but primitive tallow lamps to see by....would love to hear the explanation.- wonder if any of these "experts" want to buy a one owner low mileage bridge - buyer collect ???
The Great pyramid had an optical prism as it's apex capstone. This was several millennia ago, before the modern age. If anyone has further information on this, they could perhaps open up lines of inquiry on the subject. It looks very as if the Great pyramid functioned as part of a giant spectroscope laser light generator.
The quality and content of your work far surpasses that of the big budget History Channel et al. Such a questioning attitude is what is sorely missing from our MSM. It’s as if the populace is assumed to require placating that we ‘know everything already’.
The Citizens are not to know anything about the past, all Egyptian is bunk, all Israel is bunk,bunk, the truth would thrill you, that's the power point.
Steve Demchinsky agree 👍
Didn't you hear? We have Expedition Unknown with Josh Gates to settle any kind of "unsolved" ancient mysteries now. Except that show is actually just another leg of the conventional narrative, reinforcing the lies that we were taught in school.
Steve, I was about to comment on how well made this was as well.
Very engaging, excellent film. I *LOVED* the 3D holographic visual aids, just to name one aspect.
This is occurring all over the Internet. The quality of scientific work in all fields is just staggering. After some time away from TV you will see the lounge lizard people as philistines, adhered as they are to the controlled false media box.
Such a relief, in this mad world, to hear someone who can actually think clearly. Thank you for your work Ben.
The world is not crazy, media is. Its a form of control.
these days mass public can label you as "Centrist" or "Fencesitter" if you dare to
have no opinion or open to many opinions....lol gota stay strong and make sure common sense and nuanced debate doesnt get suffocated by peoples
desperate climb towards 'utopian society'
remember the 90s classic film with Stallone and Snipes? where its illegal to swear ? 😆...
"What seems to be your
boggle?"
😉 i got sidetracked there. end rant. peace m8👍
And if there ARE similar genuin free thinkers within the Archeo-establishment they keep their mouth shut. This self-censureship is often maintained due to mortgage payments, reputation ( the Victorian kind ) and face loss. In short: they shoot in not only their own foot, but they conscienciously retárd science itsélf. Noe THAT's a crime
@@thomasmacgruber6701 PROPAGANDA is and was necessary to hide science and other intelligence from the masses to be able to claim they were the creators. They created money and turned it into a false premise. The Money Changers . The POLITICIANS. That world is for the evil ones.
How much is the trip?
I'm just a regular worker bee. Retired bus driver with no expert view to offer one way or another. That being said your videos are chucked full of information and your analysis is detailed and rational enough to keep even the most skeptical from clicking away. Thanks.
Imagine how incredible Giza was before it was pillaged... It makes me really sad to think we will never be able to fully appreciate how amazing it was
Oh, no worries!
It's all stored in what some people call the akashic records.
The memory of the cosmos is infinite.
Literally all the memories of all the people who ever experience(d) Giza are literally stored in some "cosmic brain"
if i was a billionaire i would build one twice as big.
I also think that we should dismantle the pyramids, discover and document everything and then put it all back together
@@DadSkool You're comment made me goggle. Obviously, it is impossible to dismantle and rebuild the pyramids using current modern technology.
@@spearzoid you think? Its much easier to pull them down to put them up.
Who knows, maybe we will find the instruction manual if we did thatt?
@@a_lucientes The ubiquotus "evil europeans" brainless narative of today again... Egypt became muslim in the very early stages of the islam conquest{circa 649 AC} and this is when the pillaging started in earnest, also the country was literally closed to Europe untill Napoleon invasion in 1798 who by the way had over 600 scientists with him who kickstarted the modern exploration of the wonders there. The thousands mosques and not only in Cairo are amost entirely build by shaped stones pillaged from Giza, add the vast destruction unleashed upon the statues, inscription etc due to the inherent for the islam aniconism
Thank you for your thoughtful, careful, patient explorations. The world is filled with egotists, both professional and amateur, who value dominance and "winning" vastly over discovery and truth. They create a morass and test the mature investigators mightily, so I salute you for your balance and your spirit to keep soldiering forward on the higher, harder path. It's the only one worth taking.
If we all spent time solving problems vs. talking it to death we'd be much further in to technologies of all types. Talk is cheap Academics, show us HOW these items were made by your example, and your examples must be a spot on match, not a sorta match with tons of assumptions.
@ J Curtis
Great take, and, well said, a result of common sense merely coupled with basic ability to apply it accordingly. A skill set that almost everyone should be able to consistently demonstrate on a daily basis. Truth be known I would venture to say the content that appropriately represents your well supported position, undoubtedly, and, unfortunately will go right past a large number of the so-called educated experts who predictably will attempt to pervert the context, because, of their inability, or, lack of interest to provide true content. Hence, truth will direct one to a position of strength. The growth of an educated, or, industry recognized individual that accepts a precieved vantage that provides him/her a perch, thus, an opportunity to unfavorable look down on common sense. There are a lot of people who are book smart, but, do not have enough sense to get in out of the rain.
Thank for your channel. All of you that are questioning the mainstream, are opening the eyes to a great number of people around the world. Thank you. Question everything no matter how large or small. Search and research. This always needs to happen. We never learn from complacency. Challenge the boundaries of what is known or believed. Cheers!
This is quickly becoming one of BEST channels on youtube. Such a professional presentation and narration.
Keep up the good work Ben, we appreciate your hard work!!!
Agreed!
"Where men build on false grounds, the higher they build, the greater is the ruin."
-Hobbes, Leviathan
Your presentation, as always, is masterly crafted.
Also, on a side note, I love that you highlighted a quote from Neal Stephenson, another master craftsman.
I am so happy that you are concerned and knowledgeable about informal fallacies in logic. People fall into these without knowing how bad their reasoning is. You have a great platform on which to educate people on logical informal fallacies since as you have pointed out, professionals in your area commit these fallacies many times unconsciously. I find your arguments very convincing and well thought out.
Not often to find a documentary that is made with so much heart and soul .
This is one where you can feel with how much effort this is be done .
Thank you for your friendly way you put this together !
It was, and will be for others a pleasure to watch all of the three parts !
I wish you all the best for 2021 !
Went here again 2 years ago as I had not seen the quarry - I just visited Baalbek in 2001 - It was amazing but since then I just learned so much from all sorts of TH-cam videos - and had to return !!!
fascinating.. loved seeing these huge megaliths-
Love this work !!! You are really giving us such insight into the ancient megalithic world !!!
9:12 The method allowing creation symmetrical statues like Ramses II is presented in the article: “Fabrication methods of the polygonal masonry of large tightly-fitted stone blocks with curved surface interfaces in megalithic structures of Peru” (DOI: 10.20944/preprints202108.0087.v10). TH-cam does not allow a direct link. Search by the article title.
You could explain maybe attempt the replication process using a pantograph but it still doesnt explain (i) the flawless geometry of the original or (ii) the tooling required to perform the cuts without eroding the cutting tip or pantograph mechanism itself. And without lubricatred, rolling element bearings to maintain geometric precision or the mechanism. It would wear out in minutes and they would be chewing through such machines many times daily just to remove millimeters of granite.
@@TheCuriousOrbs >... the replication process using a pantograph ... still doesnt explain (i) the flawless geometry of the original ...
The flawless geometry of the original is defined by the flawless geometry of the modelled clay model, the pantograph precision and the stonemason's skill. I do not see any reason for the lack of any of these constituents in the times under consideration.
>... the replication process using a pantograph ... still doesnt explain (ii) the tooling required to perform the cuts without eroding the cutting tip or pantograph mechanism itself.
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The pantograph is used as a pointing instrument solely. The stone treatment is a fully manual process performed by the stonemason by means of a hammer and a steel chisel.
For those who are interested in the topic of polygonal masonry. The book “Peruvian polygonal masonry: how, who, when and what for” (114 pp., Litres, Moscow, 2024) has been published. The book is freely available at Litres (to download, a registration is only required).
Those jars are amazing. After watching this video, I went to a local Egyptian museum and they had some of these. Incredible how they stand out next to other Egyptian artifacts.
The conclusion you've made is completely logical. I'm so happy to see your work. Thank you so much for adding to the collective human consciousness and identifying flaws in mainstream/traditional academia. The information you've presented is completely evident by observation of details alone; the mainstream scholars can't argue against it.
This is a RACIST video and should be removed. It implies darker skinned people cannot make things. This white guys ego is bruised and is purely retaliation against Africans
What I find interesting are blocks like the one in the thumbnail picture. Not so much because of their sheer size but because of the apparent lack of preparation of the surrounding area for moving it. Some are deeply recessed into the ground rock appearing to require a vertical lift to extract it.
Exacto and Correcto !!! I have always considered the possibility that this advanced civilization had some power source lost to our present civilization which was able to lift these large pieces with more relative ease than our present chemical combustion instruments and vehicles. Again I state it is extremely frustrating that the present closed circles of academia will not open up to this. I also contend ( but cannot prove ) that there has been some active efforts by the establishments to suppress new findings as they do not jive with the standard closed circled history. There is also the possibility that there has been some active hidden investigations of some of these sites in efforts to find adavnced technology for military / corporate purposes perhaps. Just a thought: An international disclosure of a highly advance world wide civilization ( not as spread out as our current one ) to the present world population would be something that would unite us.....a condition that certain powers would not like to have because of their intended control of the populations.
@@ptauagpt I think you hit the nail on the head with the military/corporation bit. Three things we know for sure about the pyramids: 1 they had technology that accomplishes tasks to a high standard of quality in different ways that we would use today. 2 the most complex products of ancient Egyptian technology have been found in tunnels under the pyramids and in their chambers. 3 Many chambers of the pyramids have been explored but what they found is not public information.
It's very easy to imagine that the egyptians used methods of manufacturing, lifting, or energy generation that would be insanely valuable to be the only company/government to learn how to use. To me that makes a lot more sense than the truth being hidden just to protect the egos of egyptologists.
This part is purely conjecture but I think it's interesting that Bob Lazar described seeing UFOs while working at area 51 that use the same type of propulsion that we now see in these videos released by the government, and claimed that one had come from an archaeological site.
Glad someone else has made this observation. There appears to be no evidence that these and other large block were moved over land. No roads, no bridges, nothing. They must have been levitated. No other explanation fits what we observe.
@@TopazBadger6550 I think it's extremely unlikely they had some sort of advanced technology to move them. There is even less evidence for that. I think we just haven figured out how they did it. Some individuals have managed to erect some pretty massive stones on their own.
Th possibility of antigravity technology could hv been used
Nice work!
I have been watching your investigations into ancient architecture & monuments, & I must tell you -
I am from the USA & am a natural stone worker since 1991 & I can, with no doubt, tell you these stones could never have been fabricated with Bronze & sand.
The perfection is unbelievable. Huge slabs perfectly flat & polished, interior boxes, tube holes & symmetrical carvings in granite, could never happen.
I challenged a 'bronze believer ' to a test.
I gave him a steel kitchen knife and a hunk of granite & told him to use sand, cut it, then polish it, perfectly flat like Egypt did, but with steel. I gave him a year to do it. He just smiled as he realized it's not possible.
Take that & understand Egyptian 'historians' say the great pyramid was made in 19 years - a set block of 5 to 50 tons every few minutes.
Why do people scoff at researchers trying to decode & understand the past, when the only thing laughable is their ridiculous story they try to sell us.
Rock on truth brother!
We argued over 5000 year history not too long ago.
Now it's up to 13000 years history & counting.
3 stages of truth -
1st ridiculed.
2nd violently opposed.
3rd accepted as being self evident.
....almost there!
The minimum length of time for the great pyramid is estimated at 20 years but it could have been closer to 27.... And that is a LOT of time
Most blocks weigh less than 3 tons. Only a small minority is above 10 tons
"setting a block" every few minutes is not the right metric. We know there were many teams working in parallel (and not one Uber team setting blocks every few minutes)
Instead of saying " I could not do it so they could not either" try to understand how they did it.... Because, well, they did
@@thomasxxxxxx2345 Obviously.
Now how?
& even more important why?
I don't understand people who just don't care.
I move thin slabs of granite weighing about 1200lbs often.
To casually say "most blocks are less than 3 tons" sounds possible in today's world.
But not then.
We are talking about going from hunter gatherers to monolithic builders in a snap.
It's not logical to think they could do this.
Just lazy thinking.
@@jeffnelson57 They did not do it in a snap, they build plenty of simpler pyramids before those of Giza and you can see the evolution.
Moving 2 to 3 tons is really not a problem.. There are plenty of videos on Utube of regular joes doing just that and more to the point there are plenty of sites around the world where large pieces of rock (from several tons to several hundred tons) were moved. It is really no big deal and requires only the most basic of tools (rope , wood , gravel)... And we as homo sapiens like to build stuff, the bigger, the better... from monoliths, to pyramids, to cathedrals to the eiffel tower to sky scrapers
Such brilliant videos Ben. I’ve been into this subject for more than 30 years now and yours is by far the best, most well read and articulate take i’ve heard outside of Graham Hancock. As Graham has never ventured into this type of video content, that makes you, as far as I’m concerned, by far the world’s foremost content creator on the subject. Hats off. From Ben!
I think this solution for the Osiris shaft checks all four stipulations on the list.
How they moved the multi ton block down the Osiris shaft is pretty simple. After they completed the construction of the tomb, they simply back filled the entire project completely full of sand.
They moved the Circophicus block on top of the filled in shaft. Now they start digging all the sand back out. As they do, the block slowly sinks down the shaft.
There will be no ropes to break. No sudden shift of weight causing the block to free fall. The block would always be sitting on solid ground in a sense.
With each bucket full of sand scooped out and sent up by rope, the block would settle a little further down the shaft. Finally, they will have got the block exactly where they want it, not by lifting but by taking away sand. They could control the blocks decent with mathematical precision.
A lot of people overlook solutions like this because it's not hi-tech enough. They were hoping it would be some kind of super advanced technology.
This solution does fit all four stipulations on the list talked about in the video. If you think it does not tell me why it doesn't.
Have a good night.
no, this doesnt work. you would get it down one level, then it needs to be moved horizontally, so you cannot remove sand anymore, and there is no space for a big apparatus or many people or leverage mechanism in the chamber, and people have barely space to slip into the chamber.
eventually it needs to be moved horizontally with almost no space.
also there is a small tunnel from the osiris shaft in the direction of the pyramids. this tunnel has perfectly angular surfaces, and is too small for a human to fit through, so there is zero possibility for any human to carve it.
Ben, you've nailed it! In fact, nailed it down! I am giddy with anticipation for your return to Puma Punku! The one location - in the middle of nowhere - where the excavation of ten or fifteen meters of clay (obviously the result of a mud tsunami) would possibly, if not likely, reveal that civilization and their technology! Aren't we tired of arguing with the powers that be in Egypt? Other truths lie elsewhere. Maybe greater truths. My bucket list curiosity leads me to Bolivia.
You can add Equador to your list...
I am new to this line of thought. But this kind of breaking down the existing way of thinking about history actually makes more sense to me than the existing narrative. Thank you for sharing.
I love this theme. Since I was a child, I have looked at ancient civilizations with fascination and bewildered by the rigor and complexity of their deeds. I have a theory about all this. I believe that the civilizations that created these works are much earlier than what is thought and that the peoples occupied these territories and applied their writings, claiming to be their creations.
Your theory is wrong and has been proven wrong repeatedly
@@richarddecredico6098 show me. don't bring me the theory of the copper chisel and the dolerite stones.
@@richarddecredico6098 I work in a quarry with heavy equipment moving huge rocks so I have an idea of what it takes to move them.
I am a civil engineer working on high rise buildings and everything about pyramids still baffles me from cutting, transportaion, lifting and fitting.
Same goes for two steel structures that were supposedly toppled with a by a cooling fire.
I contend that there is a good possibility that this technogical advanced civilization used some energy or power source not known to us. Not to sound way out but there is at least a remote possibility that this advanced civilization had flying machines or crafts using aspects of this power source.
There is a compelling theory regarding the natural and man made hydraulics of the Giza plateau that you might be interested in.
A few points if I may:
1.) I can't help thinking we're muddying the waters by asking how the 'ancient Egyptians' achieved these monumental works.
The term conflates the creators with dynastic Egyptians - the pharoahs and their ilk. It seems likely to me that they inherited the monolithic creations that leave us in awe these days, in the same way that the Incas and Aztecs inherited their monolithic works.
In all parts of the world there is obvious evidence of more primitive homages to the monolithic works having been built on, or around, the really big, technologically superior works. As far as I know, there is ZERO evidence of precise monolithic work appearing on top of less competent structures. The lower construction MUST have preceeded the higher levels, QED.
I'd rather we referred to the older architects as ancient Nilotians, or even as the ancient global civilisation, since calling them ancient Egyptians tends to steer people to wonder how the Egyptians did it with the tools available to them at the time. They didn't - at least that's my belief. Sure the AE's did build some good stuff, but the Sphinx? Uh uh - Schoch and JAW's work points conclusivley to it being much older than the dynastic period. Likewise artifacts such as the Serapeum, the hyper-symmetrical statues, never mind the countless other megalithic sites found all over the planet. The painstaking work by Ben on this channel, building on groundbreaking stuff by Carlson/Hancock/JAW etc all makes a compelling case for there having been a previous, advanced global civilisation.
2.) So how did the real ancients do it? We must try to avoid thinking of a previous civilsation in the same terms as ours - that always provokes the same counter-arguments of 'so where are the flying cars then? Where are the cities? The archeological record?' Randall Carlson has the answer to that.
No, we consider advanced technology as being based largely on electricity and electronics, money and possessions, and fossil fuels. Our society has developed over the last 5,000 years, give or take. From bashing rocks together to nuclear power, supercomputers, and the Kardashians in five millennia. Yet we know that anatomically modern homo sapiens has been around for at least 100,000 years, possibly much longer. So what then? We sat on our collective arse for 95,000 years and did NOTHING? Or maybe we developed a society radically different to our own.
I applaud those who have put forward alternative theories below, but I don't subscribe to the idea that gravity was somehow much weaker in the past, or that rock had different physical characteristics. That would seem to be too much against the laws of physics and nature. But, we do need an alternative to the pathetically inadequate copper chisels, dolorite pounders and countless thousands of people supposedly dragging multi-hundred ton blocks all over the planet.
What about sound? I believe it was Tesla who posited that the universe is based on harmonic vibration and frequencies. What if there is a power that we have yet to fully discover that would enable us to manipulate matter using some form of sonic tool? Joshua supposedly brought down the walls of Jericho with sound (trumpets I believe, but that's probably just a 'modern' fallacy). Certain 'fringe' (hate that word) scientists have shown some success in levitating small objects using focussed sound or electromagnetism. It's all basically vibrations of one kind or another. What if they're on to something? Which brings me to....
3.) I don't have a solution, just a gut feeling, but I do have a pertinent question. Many of the depictions of the ancients in carved reliefs and murals in the Sumerian record and in places like Gobekli Tepe show a large being (usually with a wavy beard) brandishing what looks like a pine cone in one hand, whilst holding what Hancock euphemistically describes as a 'man-bag' in the other.
Does anyone categorically know what these items are? They are quite ubiquitous, and always shown being wielded by those with 'power', however that may be defined. My gut tells me that we have something in plain sight that is a massive clue to the source of that 'power'. Unfortunately I don't have any idea what that might be.
Discuss.
Sorry for war & peace - had to get this out there at 3am so I may have rambled a bit.
Keep it up Ben, you are a contemporary treasure.
I’ve worked with granite for years all over London U.K , I worked in surfacing,constructing new roads and footpaths and maintaining existing roads and footpaths etc ,basically a lot of tarmac and a lot of granite set kerbs . I appreciate how heavy granite is and also I familiar with how hard it is , we had the luxury of two stroke petrol engined disc cutters with diamond blades and either hydraulic or pneumatic Jack hammers .I could not even hazard a guess as to how I would go about working this material without these modern tools as even when equipped with them it’s still bloody hard work.
Thank you for your great quality content and super interesting videos,I wouldn’t dream of arguing or attempting to solve this ancient conundrum, I just accept it and enjoy them,if I start to question things I’ll drive myself crazy and come to no conclusions so I relax and enjoy if one day someone solves this problem then great but until then
Relax and enjoy 🙏🏻👍🏻🥷
I send my kind thoughts to those people of Syria 🇸🇾 and Turkey 🇹🇷
Love and respect to all
R.I.P and Godbless you .
I've drilled hundreds of 2 " to 4" holes through concrete full of stones all the way to solid stone a foot thick with a hammer drill with a carbide core bit in order to pass pipes through solid walls. The power needed to cut a helical hole with penetration of a mm per revolution would be in the range of 50 hp. with a pressure of at least a 1,000 lbs on the bit. the cutters would be some kind of super alloy. I can't wrap my head around the machinery being that powerful.
@Walter Melon you still need diamonds and a good method to turn them into cutting tools, which is no small feat for a bronze age culture..
@Walter Melon Well, actually there isn't any evidence that diamonds were known or used by the ancient Egyptians, and as you point out our carbide tipped tools are made of steel with soldered tips, and I can hardly see any other option, it couldn't possibly work with soft metals such as bronze or copper, even if, a big if, diamonds or other hard materials were available, a bronze saw rotating at high revs as the tool marks show, wouldnt stand the apllied forces, so really this is a dead end argument. I also believe these amazing feats of engineering are far older and inherited by the dynastic Egyptians, so don't we agree?
@Walter Melon I spent two weeks at a gold mine diamond drilling operation that was drilling thousands of feet of 2" core samples and those cores were smooth as silk . There diamonds weren't chewing away a mm on every revolution and the only drilled a few feet per day.. I don't see anything we have today that could compete with anchant high technology .
I've used cnc machine force calculators before for my cnc machining business. They can come as an app or stand alone program, even for free. You can input the material properties, feedrates, spindle speed, and work out all the torque and forces.
@Walter Melon Steel? In 2500BC? Might as well give 'em microwaves. They had tiny amounts of meteoric iron. Or an older high tech civ built 'em
your content makes my imagination explode! There's no doubt that something special and unknown happened with our ancestors. Thank you for shining light on these sites
you mean... they were merely JUST LIKE US..? they possessed the same gift of intelligence and created things
I laughed out loud when I saw the holographic image explanation of the Romans using wheels on the end of the 700-1000 ton granite block for the purpose of moving them. “A Stratovarius out of a cigar box” says it all. Great job Ben!
I'm a certified practicing engineer, with a passion for this subject area. I've thought about every modern technology which we would use on this scale to produce these results. I've got nothing.
have you not taken the Pharos Protractor exam mate?
@@michaelcollisson24 he does have something, he has the implication of not having anything, meaning there is nothing to be had at all
Like you, I always end up with more questions than answers. I'm pretty sure that no one is moving 1200 tons with diorite hammers and muscle power. ;)
@@GroberWeisenstein Well then why don't you go ahead and provide a robust, complete description or demonstration of how to precisely recreate these results--every last single tool mark and detail included--using "the technology" you've vaguely referred to. For example, go find a way to recreate the penetration rate and the continuous spiral groove marks on core #7. I dare you. It kind of sounds like you're making sweeping assumptions that you aren't ready to back up. And if you can, well you ought to be a renowned expert on these matters, and I'll eat my hat.
@@GroberWeisenstein Alright, saying "I'm sure it's in a book or something, I assume" isn't quite an air-tight argument. If you have actual evidence that efficiency in stonework *on par with ancient Egyptians* was being done 4 generations back (where by efficiency, I assume you must mean production rate at a given standard of precision, and I'm not sure I know of any cemeteries that would conceivably require the production rate necessary for a megalithic structure), that's one thing. But an empty call to your credentials suggesting that you can simply say it is so, is entirely another. The burden of proof is yours. I apologize for being so confrontational about it, I just don't take kindly to such a seemingly condescending response as "Well then go educate yourself" being put forth without any support--I'm not paying lip service, so much as saying you can say things like this only if you can easily provide substantial evidence to your point. Cheers mate.
pretty amazing, Today if we drill holes in stone, the drill wears down and the drill becomes part of the dust, I'm sure whatever they used to drill these holes also wore down. Is it possible to analyze the dust to try to figure out what they used for their drills?
It's probably been to long to do that but I bet if they really dug the sand up around egypt there will be even more to see and find. Move the sand away
At the end of the day it is something that we can’t replicate in this so called modern world.
And that is a fact that alone is astonishing.
Not really - back then people had thousands of years experience working with stone and wood. We’ve lost techniques used just a few hundred years ago.
@@JamesSmith-fz7qk Then go pound some rocks in Giza with your friends and report back to us how that went
Who says we can't replicate it? You come up with the bucks and I guarantee someone will do it!
@@kingspeechless1607
Go smoke that joint
Happy Black Friday
@@初日の出_初日の入り
😅😂🤣 he probably can’t even put a dent with his hammer, but wait right hammers doesn’t exist back in the day, okay use your fork stick and report back to us 😅😂
This is actually the ever first time I watch an youtube video twice. It is simply magnificently produced.
After following this topic for years I wonder if the Egyptians were more clever than we can imagine. Intricately carved granite is supernatural but the miles of tunnels cut through bedrock begs the question of how did they breath and remove the CO2, what light source and what tools.
I love watching and listening to you. You are doing and seeing everything I've want to do and questioning everything. We have similar thoughts, the archaeologists need to start again. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CHANNEL. X
As a machinist the machining marks are known literally as “witness marks” and when machining in modern times and with precision parts you generally don’t want to leave any or at least keep them to a minimum with better control of the tool, the workpiece and speeds and feeds. Much like the ancients did with the nearly perfectly symmetrical statuary
I also you don't leave your machines and tools near the finished work for everyone to see.
@@sahhull absolutely! When we go on-site to do in-place machining it would be unthinkable to leave hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in precision tooling at a customers site. But in most cases the work comes to us and is done in our shop then sent back wherever in the world it came from. In either case there won’t be any of our tools found next to our customers’ parts 5,000yrs from now.
@Rocky Dubois There is a shop buried somewhere. CNC Programmer here.
SUPER VIDEO BEN,WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT IS HOW THEY MADE THAT BOTTOM CUT ON THOSE BIG SQUARE BOXES.VERY PERPLEXING,THAT ONE
Intriguing questions...I hope I'm still around when modern man unearths definitive proof of our ancient past. Something big, that the establishment experts can no longer ignore.
So happy Randall Carlson led me to your podcast Ben. I've been learning so much from you and your guests. I love thinking about this ancient history and how in the dark we are about it. Thx for all your work. I hope to get to Egypt one day too.
Finally someone breaking through with some good analysis about the ancient stonework. My bachelor thesis was about this! No AA or AA debunked BS, but science! Tried to do so myself but my videopresentation skills are lacking. I'd love to do a podcast with you man!
I'm going to start pounding the ground with a stone too, see if I can make an obelisk!
lol so good. 'try it for one hour'.
I hate to use the phrase ‘good luck’ because you’ll need lots of it, and a lot of time if you intend to pound on the ground.
You’ll also need a big chunk of granite to do so. I suggest you move to the Rockies or the Alps to do so.
@@richardautry5930 Is this ridiculously big stone Turkey's only tourist attraction? Poor guys
I'm going to build a pyramid. Got my trusty copper chisel that eats through bedrock like it's butter so the granite shouldn't be an effort.
I know you're trying to address World of Antiquity's critiques. I'm watching you both. I'll sit here with my popcorn on my lap and my mind open. Carry on.
Hey Andrew, you have taken the words right out of my mouth. This is obviously a response to World of Ancient Antiquities. Ben does put forward very compelling arguments...but so does David. Like you, i will sit and watch both with my popcorn. It is nice to know someone else here is weighing things up from both perspectives...peace to ya.
World of Antiquity, Scientists Against Myths, Sacred Geometry Decoded...etc etc. There are so many channels devoted to disproving what Ben and Brien Foerster have to say, really makes you wonder why an idea is being attacked so voraciously.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle You would be doing a disservice to UnchartedX and Brien Foerster's arguments to not listen to them though. Even Ben in this video acknowledges the scientific method is one of an adversarial system where vigorous debate becomes the crucible on which irrelevancies and falsehoods are burned away to reveal the truth. It's got nothing to do with the 'why' their thoughts are being questioned, the 'why' is part of the process. Besides, good, honest debate has become such a rare thing in this world watching one unfold is a rare treat. Like watching a movie that isn't based on marvel superheroes. ;)
@@andrewtataj497 But those channels use heavily edited, suspect videos, usually created by Russians no less.
@Prof Myers Not denying that at all. But the lack of any legitimate reproduction of the tool signatures (spiral grooves, etc) speaks for itself.
Finally, a voice of logic and reasoning. Thanks
Amazingly well done video as usual Ben! You really have a great way of presenting the evidence in a way that's understandable for everyone
I will embarrass myself here and ask this question: Is there any possibility that the direction we are looking at all of this is incorrect? We keep asking, "How can these stones be worked and moved using the tools that these ancient cultures had at hand?" - is there ANY value in asking "Has stone, over time, and for some unknown reason, changed it's properties so much that what we experience today makes what the ancients were working with seem impossible." I know this sounds ridiculous but I base this question on the work that has been done calculating muscle mass and the overall weight of some of the biggest dinosaurs that walked the Earth. Some of the features of the dinosaurs (long extended necks) would have been impossible for them to operate in today's gravity (something in the range of 50K lbs per square inch - enough to easily bend/break a steel girder). For these creature's muscle and bone to withstand the pressures exerted on them, Earth's gravity would have had to have been 1/3rd what it is today. If the environment that we experience today has not always been the same - could the properties of the materials we find on Earth today have also varied over time. Was rock lighter, or somehow more malleable at an earlier time in our history? I know it's an odd direction to go - but these questions are perplexing and they deserve being approached at ever angle if we are interested in finding an answer. Love these videos. Thanks.
Matt Wood, I am very impressed with the questions you’ve posed. I have often pondered whether the force of gravity itself has increased over time and how would that affect the bonds between atoms. Also, did the cataclysm have an affect on gravity in some way? Very interesting stuff, thanks for your thoughts.
One needs to think outside of the box to come up with a logical explanation that fits the known facts. No one is doing that. Everyone is still inside the box of thinking that ancient stoneworks were worked as stone but they were not. Instead they were poured, possibly all of them. The secret of ancient stonework was not in mechanically quarrying it and shaping it but in mixing it in a powdered form and casting it in molds, including even of gargantuan size.
I've found and shared the evidence proving that over and over and over. If you want to learn the still undiscovered truth you can find it in my face book group: Ancient Stonework Mysteries.
I cant help but wonder these same things! I certainly believe some monuments were a type of concrete, but I think the massive blocks only half cut out show they were not poured. Even if the blocks were "softer" they wouldn't necessarily be any lighter. As for gravity, I have no idea how that could change.
interesting ideas!
The electric universe , thinks Earth 🌎 orbited Saturn as a brown dwarf star ⭐, now we orbit the sun 🌞, and that could have changed gravity of earth 🌎. Just a idea to explain what we find now.
Amazing!!! Best videos I've found on ancient building technologies. Your visual and verbal presentations are wonderful! Thank you so much.
Ben... love your stuff... thought provoking, extremely well argued and excellently put together... Always a must watch for me. Keep it up!
I really think you should do a video on logic. I transfer taking logic 101 in college and I realised immediately that this is something that should be taught to everyone, at least once in highschool and maybe touched upon in earlier grades. You see fallacies used EVERYWHERE in supposedly serious and depth discussions, debates, education, news, politics, business, etc. I'm always happy when I see someone mention it, which is rare. Thank you.
Talk about "logic" ?? You need to touch-up on your vocabulary & spelling there junior !! And, why did Ben mark you with a heart ? I just want to know "why" ? That's all. Anyways,......Peace.
You having a go at punctuation and grammar when you use the word and in the start of a sentence!
And is a conjunctional word Junior, just sayin 😵
As a teacher, I make a point of saying "that's a really good question, I don't know the answer" when my students ask me a really tough question. Sometimes I'm able to find an answer and share it with them, other times I have to go back and say "I can't find that anywhere, isn't that interesting?". I've always found it more interesting to have a head full of questions than to think you know the answers, and I love to share that.
Unfortunately, it often feels like archaeology doesn't take that view. It often feels more like a religion than a science, especially when it sees everything as either a religious artefact, temple, or a tomb.
Really appreciate your work Ben! I always bring a cup of coffee to your videos. There are fewer people these days that think outside the box. Most people live inside their own little life bubble, not realizing the world around them. Archaeology today is way to dogmatic, which is why this channel is a breath of fresh air
As a retired Construction Manager in the UK I can bear witness to core drilling and use of track saws.
Both require bolting the base of the drill and the track to some part of the structure to be drilled or cut.
First, in your videos we do not see bolt holes to fix the equipment to the work piece with expanding anchors.
Second, in order to cut or drill relatively soft concrete it requires diamond tipped core drills and circular saw blades, all of which wear out very quickly.
I am as confused as you are as to the methods used to create the statues, columns etc.
I firmly believe as you suggest that there must have existed a highly qualified, intelligent and efficient civilization that was able to produce such wonders.
Thank you for a great series of videos.
They must’ve had something that made the rock ‘soft’. Something to do with sending vibrations through the stone perhaps
Wow, I’d never heard of Ollantautambo before. I’m totally in awe at it. Why is this not talked about more? They have used exactly the same building methods as the Egyptians (unnecessarily complicated joins etc).
I can barely even find any info online about it.
I’m confused as to why this isn’t HUGE news and a conversation point. It looks like its been built by the same people 😮
I like some of the issues you pointed out in this video. Your indication of the unfinished monolith indicates (to me) that the workers on this project were in the middle of cutting and shaping it when the great flood hit. Too bad, they had over 100 years to get ready for it.
Careful though, the scientific support for a global flood has been almost exclusively produced by young earthers who believe the planet and universe are only roughly 6,000 years old (A claim not made in the Bible, and actual simple knowledge of the Hebrew language used in Genesis very likely defeats this notion, specifically that the Hebrew states that YHWH REMADE the heavens, and further that we were to REPLENISH the Earth, not simply plenish it!).
For example Christian young earth academics reject the notion of the Younger Dryas (sp) catastrophy because evidence for it suggests that it occurred before the creation of the universe. I hope that you can see hypothesies and theories are being built to support ideologies by almost all sides in this information/reality war.
It would be so much more profitable to attempt to discover the truth, then understand how the Bible relates to the truth. If Christ is the truth, why would we try to obscure the truth?
Ben, thank you for your work. You explain things impeccably. Your videos are the main obsession of mine right now as they are clear, concise and well researched. Top shelf mate. Cheers.
I'm a contractor civil engineer, and I can assure u we cannot do the same marvels done with our machinery now days. For sure, very advanced technology was used. Even an inexperienced eye can see the marvel of those structures
Bullshit
Damn your videos are on point. Loved every second of this. I have seen all of your videos and thought many times: How the hell could whole temples and sites have been destoyed in such a fashion that massive stone are broken up and thrown around. There must have been some unimaginable catastrophe. Truely unthinkable forces.
Love your channel, being heavy highway laborer, Ive done practically everything to lumber beams dirt, stone concrete metal, your tools must be at least equal and of greater material strength than the work piece, and there lies the problem, what tools or process is required to make what wouldbe your hardest substance as tools like diorite, and why dont we find broken parts or machinery lost due to carelessness or buried or sunk, as these do happen, we know they happen, bcz we find stuff all the time, maybe the timeframe is just too vast and they succumbed to elements and time itself
JRE brought me here. You and Jimmy did an amazing job on the JRE. Been binging your channel since!
LOVE #1 BABY! I’ve been waiting patiently for this Ben, always worth the wait. So I watched a nay sayer of yours “deconstruct” your work. He made 2 videos which I think is a huge compliment to you. If you’re pissing ppl off you’re doing something right. 1 thing he did was give too much time to your choice of words. “He said ‘my favorite’ instead of ‘the best examples’”. Picking nits much? I found it super ironic that he closes by saying “if you want to know how the ancients worked stone don’t ask a modern stone worker.” That’s when I got pissed! Whom else are we to ask? There are no ancient stone workers left. In 2 vids adding up to 1:45ish hours he doesn’t mention Yusuf until the very very end of the second & only give him 55 seconds of time. I haven’t learned not to argue online yet & I told him his convenient way of ignoring Yusuf was disingenuous at best & downright deception at worst. He bitched that you look at the giant boxes at the corners that a machine clearly chewed on and says “what kind of machine?” That’s the point yo! We don’t know but the evidence is right there. I called out the liquid polish explanation & his lack of including it in his vid. Which I now realize might have been from a vid he wasn’t talking about...but my point about your amazing guide still stands. Long story short is that you rock & he sucks so much! The end
Dude we need a link for this😅☠️
BoxerShark I was screaming through both videos. My family thought I as crazy. I was extra pissed about ignoring Yusuf, he’s such an important part of Ben’s work.
You'd be surprised....there are SEVERAL youtube accounts *dedicated* to "disproving" what Ben (and Brien Foerster) have to say regarding ancient lost technology.
BoxerShark I’ve always “known” the Sphinx was much older then 5,000 years. In retrospect I must have seen John Anthony West’s special in early high school but it stayed with me & have always looked at old stuff with that eye. I look at Babylonian ruins & know that some are WAY WAY older then others. Some have been under water. JAW has had an exceptional influence on my perspective & ability for critical thinking. It’s that old “well they say it’s...so it must be...” I don’t believe everything I read, & I surely don’t trust any government.
I just noticed Ben took down his approval heart. I wondered if it was bc I started an unintended YT comment conflict. I would be mortified to inspire behavior that reflects poorly on Ben or Brien or Graham. Then I noticed all approval hearts are removed & I feel so much better. The end
When I visited Baalbek as a student decades ago it was plainly stated by the local academic showing us around that the base of the temple, including the 3 large stones, was pre-Roman. I do not recall that assertion as being in dispute. I take it the mainstream position has evolved.
39:36 that clip from friends with the couch pivot pivot was the best comparison of trying to move those big blocks down a narrow hallway i ever seen lmfao
Had a thought inspired by some construction. The quarrying scoop marks such as those around the unfinished obelisk, remind me of the marks made by clay spade bits in clay and hard soil, but much bigger! Thoughts on one of the tools used to quarry the rock in ancient times was some kind of massive rotary hammer/drill? It would explain one tool being able to do a lot of the work, with a change of bits you could go from quarrying obelisks to drilling holes.
UnchartedX, one thing I've learned from the internet is, " never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level every time", keep doing what you are doing, there is plenty of us out there with open minds who thank you for your work.👏👏👏👏
Thanks for using my photos Ben.
My 2 favorite youtubers in ancient history. Hello Brien hope all is well!
@@DEV3N87 Most kind of you
Brien Foerster??? Are you friends with Aiden Dodson and his wife?
@@leobullock3859 I do not know them
@@brienfoerster ok no worries.....my mistake.....Aiden Dodson is the mummy expert from Bristol University who does the ancient world tours and sometimes is on egypt docs....looks a bit like mr gumby....nevermind I got my wires crossed :D
The Stone of the Pregnant Woman fits the description of the stone of the head of the corner of Solomon's Temple, which is in the Testament of Solomon. In it, it was a stone so heavy that Solomon's workmen, neither the devils under his command, could lift it. But there were two devils that Solomon gained control over by God's permission, and they could lift it. And when they did, Solomon outwitted them and forced them to remain holding it at an oblique angle, keeping the stone hanging in mid-air. This stone remains at an oblique angle and is among the heaviest in the world. This also means that the true location of Jerusalem, is actually Baalbek.
And there y’a go.
Fascinating. I have no doubt that there once was a high-tech civilization. That's the only explanation!
That high tech civilization was called ancient egypt and they they were masters when it came to masonry
The Christian/Jewish Bible talks about God having to stop the human technological advancement with confusion of languages at the Tower of Babel because mankind was getting into dangerous capabilities and also the later civilisation destruction of the Noah story. Moses was brought up in the learning of Egypt and also learnt some more history from his father-in-law Jethro so he would have known the histories. Interesting the climate record shows 2 sudden cold snaps at the end of the Ice Age, one about 16,500 BC and the later Younger Dryas.
they did it with passion and toothpicks!! SHAME ON YOU!!
Lol
andy m 😂
Zahi's war cry: " Shame on you!" 😂
Surely in general there is a direct correlation between the level of precision in the finished article and the precision of the tools and equipment used to achieve it.
I am SO glad you are making videos like this- DONT STOP!
Well done. Very well done. Clear. honest, fascinating. I appreciated Graham Hancock's books as well, and most recently read David Graeber and David Wengrow's "The Dawn of Everything" which also pushes back into prehistory our experimentation between democracy and authoritarianism, and violent vs. pacifist societies.
It's not like this guy is saying "IT'S Aliens!" He's just saying we lost some high end rock moving/shaping technology somewhere in the past for unknown reasons. Like, why is that such a hard concept to investigate and ponder. It's a much more reasonable conclusion than, rock balls/wood/copper saws made such precision cuts and intricate details. It's many times more reasonable than saying "Aliens did it and left". So what, so sometime in the past we had the capability to cut and shape stone at will with some high end stuff, perhaps our ancient ancient ancient ancestors figured out how to make iron circular saws powered by water mills along the rivers. The many years we are talking here, the iron saw blades they perhaps had would have rusted out and never ever be part of the historic archaeological tool record as they would just rust away. But even a shitty iron circular saw would last longer than a copper blade. So it pushes the human record back a bit, oh well, no biggy.
It's obvious, the ancient ancient ancient humans were smart and had shit figured out. They died off and we lived like morons for a few thousand years and it took us awhile to refigure shit out. That's really not a hard concept to grasp or wrap your head around.
Thank you for the video. Great food for thought.
lol...i love your first line. i feel that passion and frustration.😁😉👍
its a test of character to be able to weather the storm of the status quo/ mainstream pre-established 'camps' of thought....
i felt frustrated for years that Graham Hancock was labelled a crazy person into woo woo nonsense.
then gobekli tepe happened. its a consistent chain of discoveries since then.
all of which point to a NEW
refreshed Timeline.
i love the idea that humans reached mega advanced stages multiple times...maybe even engineered dinosaurs who then wiped out their creators hehe?🤔..
anyway the fact that Sumerians and Egyptians may have INHERITED some monuments is absolutely MindBlowing and brings joy to many of us.
Probably a catastrophic event. World wide flood or solar flares wiped out most of the advanced ancient civilization
🤔🙄😁😂🤣 Something like that ✌️
@Vadim VeeVoit It's not that it's really really all that hard to believe that there was some extra terrestrial aerial help. But it's another thing to flat out claim its so. We don't have 100% proof that it was though and that should make any scientist wary in claiming its so. Science is theories until proven one way or another. This guy is putting on a very good argument that sometime in the past WE had better rock forming skills than what the archaeological evidence can account for. For this TH-camr to just go and say "It was Aliens" would destroy his credibility and any chance of him being taken seriously in a field that already treats non conformists or challengers harshly.
So, while there is some evidence to possibly say we as a species had out side help, ie extraterrestrial, we can not prove with a shadow of a doubt that we did. What we can say however with the proof we do have, was that sometime in the past we had rock forming/movement skills as good or possibly better than present day and that whats currently taught by those in power is quite possibly wrong. Bronze saws and silica sand indeed.
@@tkcaapi2876 Göbekli Tepe is fake.
Very compelling
Awesome to see you here! Did you ever hear anybody from China talk about the so called chinese pyramids?
It's incredible to think that the author of those books has been at this for decades and his works are suppressed by Egyptologists and other intellectual barbarians
My brother just sent me a message with the exact same wording, but as sarcasm :D
@@reynardsawyer7660 you mean by people that have studied the subject all of their lives and recognise someone who makes totally unfounded statements and has no actual evidence ...........how dare they....
These people had been working for centuries in stone and were master in their craft. Just because you cannot imagine life without power tools just shows lack of imagination.
Ignore all criticism! You are absolutely right! In the seventies, I lived amongst the stoneage Highland New Guineans, then in the eighties read The Iliad, and it struck me that Homer's description of the gods could be likened to the same view of a stoneage people to us Europeans and our technology.
My guess is that epidemiology prevented interaction between a high civilisation and primitive cultures eons ago.
Update: Zahi Hawass is coming to Twitter to declaim your theory.
btw, I really like your work. Keep it up.
All I can say to theses 'so called' experts is... "Go pound some rocks!"
@gdpm Proof of how the Russians build the Pyramids! ;)
@gdpm I wouldn't really call it "easy," if you have to flail away at the stone for an hour to get, maybe, a few centimetres of cut. But I'll grant that it's possible, and I think (if I'm understanding him correctly) even he does, in this video. His claim is that the results don't match the ancient examples (e.g. things like the pattern of grooves in the cores) and could not achieve the high precision we see.
Since the experimentalists you're linking to don't have infinite money and time, they're not really in a position to attempt to replicate something like one of the granite boxes in the Serapeum. Maybe if somebody could goad Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos into wanting to be buried in a Great Pyramid...
Disclosure: I aim my skepticism in both directions, and I think I could make a fairly good case for either side (though not as good as either a professional archaeologist, engineer, or stonemason).
@gdpm What happened to the link I replied to?
@Alex Shilson I think you meant to say "UnchartedX is *not* as open..." :) If what you say is true, that's really too bad. U-X is my favorite Ancient High Technology (AHT) proponent, because he doesn't bound off into wild speculation ("the Great Pyramid was a Wardenclyffe tower!"). So why not follow the evidence wherever it leads? It's not as if U-X couldn't still lead tours to Egypt to see these amazing artifacts even if he accepted standard Egyptology.
I've watched some of SGD's videos, and subscribed to his channel, as well as the Russian experimentalists. I think one of the big reasons the Ancient Low Technology (ALT, i.e. the standard view) is hard for modern people to accept is that we are accustomed to the ability of mechanized technology to produce artifacts quickly and (fairly) easily. A modern person would not wait months or years to have a granite countertop made by hand.
The female Russian experimentalist (sorry, I don't remember her name) showed that she could make a stone bowl out of brecciated marble in six months. An ancient master sculptor would have been able to do it in less time because they'd already mastered the learning curve, but even three months to make a bowl is still a very long time (and a lot of patience and hard work) by modern standards. "Sheesh, if the king just wants a fancy bowl to put in his tomb, we could make a really nice one out of cedar, cover it in gold and inlaid gems, and have it for him in days rather than months."
OTOH, modern society isn't interested in building things to last for thousands of years; we build for return-on-investment. So the idea of taking a year or more to carve a giant granite box for the purpose of interring a sacred bull in an underground chamber where the box is never meant to be seen again, is pretty much unthinkable to the modern mind. So it's arguable that the LHT hypothesis is based mostly on projecting modern values onto ancient peoples who had other ideas about what was worth doing and why.
I'm not an engineer but I am a CNC machinist, with 22 years of experience, working with CNC mills, folding machines, punch presses, cutting lasers, press brakes, and tube lasers. The primary problem with egyptologists, is that they are entrenched in academia. These are the gatekeepers. They are guarding all of the locks, they are holding all of the keys, and they WILL NOT give up their power. Not willingly, at least. Modern egyptologists are jokes. They cannot look at these works, and not see what I can't avoid. There is literally no way that this level of both precision, and consistency could be achieved by any method besides controlled, repeatable methods. Then you have the words of the Egyptians, themselves. They say that this was a legacy, of a time when the gods lived here. What kind of technology they used, is open to speculation but the fact that they did have advanced, precision technology, probably more sophisticated than that which we, ourselves possess, is beyond question. I believe that that anyone who approaches this, with an open mind, cannot help but come to that same conclusion. Thanks for your excellent work!
It was a fairly boring Wednesday, thank you, Ben, for turning it around!
Ikr?! Love this channel ❤️
Couldn't agree more, a rainy morning 08.00 in Sweden, no work, Ni hope. 👍
Try geocosmicrex and the randall carlson channel
hey i always wanted to know. Copper and Bronze arent as reactive as iron. So doesnt it make sense that we only find iron so far back because the rest of its rusted away. And then even further back we only find stone because the copper and bronze eventually do as well. I would like to see someone lay out the decay rates of metals alongside the "Ages of Man" Something tells me thats gonna line up.
Copper in metallic form can last tens of thousands of years. The copper oxide that forms on the surface protects it.
why would you craft copper tools if you in posession of iron or steel tools?
i think the egyptians we "know" neither got ironbase tools nor did they build all those wonders wich we give them credit for
@@Daniel07Eleven because we dont build stuff to last hundreds of years anymore... its all done cheap as possible.
The hubris of the archeologists thinking they're also engineers. Why not point out the obvious and say, "You're asking the wrong people. We FOUND it- that's what we do. We're not responsible for telling you how it was used or made. That's up to the historians and engineers to debate."
Good video Ben I enjoyed that one a lot. The BS that we are supposed to believe, where just some common sense refutes it. Liked the part on the Thunder Stone. I made a video 3-4 years ago debunking the claimed size of that thing. Caught a lot of shit for it. I see the link for the article. Thanks. Going to check that out.
My argument has always been this, all civilizations we “know” of, even the romans, started out primitive and then get more technical. All but the Egyptians, who’s old kingdom produced such wonders that the new kingdom reused or re-purposed. Why didnt they just make more? What was lost? The fact that it all seemed to just stop is fascinating.....
The timeline. Comet impact in Younger Dryas period. Around 10,500 years B.C. some for of cataclysm, forced people underground or into shelter.. only so.e survived. Technology lost.. only oirigin stories and what really matter left behind.. no more Technology only the love we were meant to share and how yo ascend our inner spirit into the afterlife.. all of it also has astrological ties that mater dynastic Egyptians didn't understand as well. They also carved primitive rough crude looking hieroglyphs with hand tools into masterpiece flawless statues that were clearly machines. Drill holes, saw marks, heavy objects in seemingly impossible boxes and stones and artifacts and statues in places high and low seemingly impossible to get to or build by hand. The unfinished obelisk for crying out loud.
How does this not have more views.
My mind is blown at how we aren’t looking into this stuff more
because it's nonsense
Because it ignores all the evidence right across Egypt and Nubia and the Nile delta in support of one agenda, to deny the mother continent its heritage. It would rather we believe beings came through portals like the mythical stargate and just for the hell of it created great cities, temples and monuments in an inhospitable environment, only to Fcuk off never to be seen again with no trace of anything but human endeavours, rather than accept and admire the fact that the greatest human civilization is not Caucasian. It actually speaks volumes about where the agenda sits. We should instead give the peoples of mother continent props for producing this wonderful legacy and quit this relentless unedifying conspiracy nonesense. I could say it was 'ewoks' who built stonehenge, and there would be people willing to suck it up. Incidentally, Egyption civilization pre-dates stonehenge by well over 1000 years. As impressive as it is for physical endeavour, dragging huge blue stones hundreds of miles from Wales to southern England, it pails in comparison to Egypt's wonders.
Because it is bullshit
That is how and why
Great video. You know, the one question I never hear is; why cut such huge blocks if it wasn't easy to do? Why wouldn't the Egyptians simply cut smaller stones and make it easier on themselves? Obviously whoever built the site, had technology that would make it feasible to cut such large granite blocks and move them with precision. It must be hard to be an Egyptologist and look yourself in the mirror.
I'd suggest you look at Ben's other video's...especially the one that shows circular saw cut marks on the stones.
The disciple of Aristotle Alexander the great , arriving at Baalbek immediately saw the mark of the Gods ( Ets, Giants).
He told none of his entourage. He kept to his plan of conquest. Defeated Xerxes and turned to egypt. His conquest of Egypt was the easiest.
Before launching his assault he demanded that a high priest of Egypt stands before him...
Thus he addressed the high priest : I saw what others could not see. I saw the mark of the Gods in Baalbek. The same mark is at Giza... Do not deny it ! The high priest bowed deeply : Alexander, only a God can see the mark of a God. After your victory we will meet at Siwa...my pharaoh , where the disciples of Amun will welcome you , Alexander the great among the Gods...
This is a RACIST show because it implies that Africans cannot achieve arts and crafts. And YT should remove these videos. The white man is SYSTEMATICALLY DISCRIMINATING against people of color.
@@sidzifus7083 where is this written??
@@liabw05
Good question...
I'll preface this by saying that I don't have much knowledge or expertise on these topics, but one thought did come to mind, which I'm sure has suggested before as well. When you're talking about the boxes were moved into the Serapeum, I have a though about how part of that process could have been accomplished- specifically, how a large stone could have been lowered straight down. If they filled the area with sand before bringing in the stone, and then dig out the sand again once the stone is in place, the stone would be lowered slowly while the sand is being dug out from underneath it. I'm not sure what other challenges or problems this theory would entail though. At the least, they would need to have some way of removing the final traces of sand, allowing the box to rest completely on the floor without any sand underneath. Just thought I would share though.
the issue with this is that eventually it would have to be move horizontally, from the shaft into the chamber to the next shaft, with space for any big mechanisms or many people.
Also, it requires the entire thing to be filled up and cleared multiple times, with very little surface area.
the amount of unnecessary labor that the shape of the osiris shaft and the use of the boxes introduces makes the entire narrative completely irrational.
I’m leaning towards the blocks were lowered into place from above. There is some evidence this is possible due to symmetrical lugs or handles on some blocks. Quite likely, in my opinion, that tube drilled items are actually construction tools…
Hi Ben Today we can move horizontally very heavy objects weighing 1000's of tons but certain stringent conditions must be met. The surface to be moved on must be smooth and flat and lie in the same plane or close to it. The devices I have used are commercially available from the US. They are called Aerogo castors. These can use compressed air or sometimes water. About 30 years ago I have supervised the movement of a 50t object kilometers using compressed air. I understand that they moved a football stadium in the US with these castors. Generally the object to be lifted is floated on a thin film of fluid (air or water) with virtually zero friction. The granite boxes you refer to can be pushed by a few people due to zero friction. However if the passages are on an incline the magnitude of the restraining force required is ---- the object weight times the tan of the incline angle. The problem is when these castors inflate the object will run away downhill due to near zero friction. This does not explain how ancient people created a flat smooth surface or lift/lower the object vertically down a mountain or around objects. I am just explaining how heavy objects may be maneuvered horizontally today under ideal conditions. It leaves out how these ancient people created the equivalent of Aerogo castors or created the high pressure air or water, the high pressure hoses, fittings, pressure regulators etc etc to make these devices work. Regardless this is very high tech stuff requiring a bit more than copper chisels. It is not my intention to muddy the waters, just reacting to some ill informed people saying we cannot do certain things today. We can move very heavy objects but definitely not under their same environmental operating conditions as the ancients.
Not really. Men launch barges and ships by inflating fairly crude rubber sausages with quite a low pressure in them. They can then be rolled along uneven surfaces stone's beaches mud banks etc. I moved 20 a ton block of liscannor on my own with two crow bars and a few pebbles, under the guidance of the quarry master. It was a completely impossible task until he gave me the instructions and then it was so easy even a novice could do it.
These jobs are only impossible when you don't know how but mundanely simple after you do.
@@justinfufun5483 Hi Justin I too have moved heavy object by rolling on steel pipes. However this is a bit differnet to moving a 1000 t stone block.
@@johnspathonis1078Its only 50 times what one unskilled man can do.
As always: exceedingly well argued. Also BRILLIANT! Please afford us an episode from 36:25. WHY did the work stop? Be as wildly speculative as you wish, Good Sir! You have MORE than EARNED it!!!
In my perspective the reason that we have to argue your very salient points regarding ancient high technology is the prevalent basis of thinking that man evolved from a primitive form slowly throughout the millennia instead of man that devolved after a post global catastrophe. When we realize we need as a species to observe and research rather than assume mental myths, then we can move on to finer realities. Thank you for advancing those finer realities.
Another greatly informative and well written piece of work by Ben. Keep on the good work we really appreciate it ❤️
Here in Germany and Central Europe there are many artificial caves called "Erdställe" which were created over 10.000 years ago. It has clearly mechanical traces and the walls are like glazed. The oldest ones are the most perfect as so often. They found traces of steel in the walls.
In the Middle Ages, these passages were closed by the church with extreme effort by diverting rivers and introducing mud.
A German researcher who has done a lot of research on this is Dr. Heinrich Kusch.
Dude I'm so psyched you brought up the trivium. I'd be interested to know how you learned of this. I've seen a lot of your work and podcasts you've been on and was pleasantly surprised to see you reference logical fallacies and the trivium. Good job.
The amount of litter in these sacred sites always takes me by surprise.
They have filled places in like a landfill with garbage. A true crime.
No matter how many times I watch this video, it always seems just one short of "enough".
Hey, it's Mr. Opinion, I know what you mean, I'm subscribed to your channel and I had to glance twice, thought that was you, cool to see you enjoying this incredible subject as well, it's extremely interesting, I always enjoy your videos sir.
@@Daavi85 Small world, eh? Yes, this stuff fascinates me, and Ben does an excellent job presenting it. He's on my short list of people I'd love to run into at a bar.
'Toobs'.. 😳😑..You actually said tube in one of your explanations.. Thanks for your intense insite into this massive mystery..👍
Ben don't be surprised by your success.....idk if you give yourself proper credit sir but you are a straight up expert in this field.....EXPERT!!!! there's no doubt about it man....your well spoken and well educated and you got boots on the ground as they say.....really enjoy your videos and overall thoughts.....cheers
If all these dolorite balls where used to pound the hard granite, How did they make the dolorite balls?
Alex Shilson you clearly have never seen one of these spherical dolerite balls or so called “pounders” if you had you would realise nature doesn’t make perfect hand sized hardness 7 rocks for humans to hit other rocks. Cleary this science you referenced is your own stupidity.