Audio sounded great Bjorn. BTW, I finally got my first EV. Woot. I'm still getting my head wrapped around having one, but I'll keep watching your videos to keep informed
@@Planetside2Simon8989 for now this is just anouncement bs to calm down investors. Researchers say, solid state and semi solid state is actual many years away -> because mass production is very expensive (the production process is very very difficult). So actual solid state applications are high price devices like heartbeat generators.
I can approve from own experience, that shorter preheating will benefit the charging curve. I was manually heating the battery only about 20 Minutes and got no thermal throttling at -3 degrees Celsius outside. The power delivery went all the way up to 186 kW with increasing SOC/pack voltage. 169kW average from 10-70% 💪⚡️
In the future is when battery swap will really be needed. Many models 3 now are starting to be out of warranty and many are already on their second or third battery pack replaced under warranty. What happens when they need the fourth?
@@Lucas-wp2ph NCM Batterys are not durable, yes, thats right. But a swap on a model 3 is not more than 2 to 3 working hours. So after 10 years for 10k Euro it is cheaper than paying the rental battery from nio.
@@LittleSpot @LittleSpot Yes but for 10000€ you do not get a new battery like you always have in a Nio, but you get an old refurbished one instead with high degredation and old tech.
If i have Nio car so i can get new battery or old battery every time i swap it. Maybe i will avoid to swap it in 1 year after pass 1 year i will swap it.
It’s simple to keep a ratio of new and old batteries at the swap station. The ones that can utilize the higher charging speed gets the newer battery. The old batteries will phase out eventually as more new models are in circulation probably
I read somewhere that the issue with the NIO rate jumping was due to the HV electronics in the car (i.e. a cooling issue) rather than the battery itself. I don't know if that is true, or if that fixable with software (run the cooling earlier). The future will tell. Also, of course 800V charging will be faster than 400V, at least with a good battery. Slightly unfair comparison on one hand, but a truly excellent result from Xpeng on the other hand! About the NIO battery pool: NIO has stated that they will not remove the old (100a) batteries from Europe, but that those batteries will be fewer and fewer as time goes by. All 100 kWh batteries sold now are 100b, so they will gradually "take over" as more cars are sold and more stations are built. I practice, it will be a lottery for a few more years, but it will be easier and easier to "win". 😉 I think we will see more silent upgrades for existing owners as battery tech evolves. But that also means potential silent downgrades for new owners...
@@LittleSpot Yeah, it's a little strange. In China I suppose it doesn't matter (because you can just swap instead of charging as a habit), but in Europe swapping is (still) quite rare. So maybe just don't swap and own a NIO like any other EV (because it's a good car, not for the swapping). At least for now.
I have written on twitter about it. People dont understand how stupid this. I am pretty sure Nio will not replace the old batteries in the pool. It would be way to expensive. They will only replace faulty batteries. Meaning if you buy a spanking new Nio in 2026, you can get a old 2021 battery in the car after first swap. And anyone that gets lucky would probably not swap anymore. So it wil always be skewed so most batteries in the swap pools will be old.
Was the battery maybe too cold? Out of Specs Reviews got 179 kW at 70 % and then it dropped to 140 kW at 80% with ET5 Touring last summer. Assume it was the new 100 kWh pack.
Audio sounded great Bjorn. BTW, I finally got my first EV. Woot. I'm still getting my head wrapped around having one, but I'll keep watching your videos to keep informed
Overall I'll stick to my G9 fixation. Fairest mobile to get here in Guangdong.
it charges even faster in China right 480 kw ?
Only for holiday i would swap to the big battery. For local traffic small/basic would be fine
is there a car with 175 kwh battery ....that will be pretty neat to check out
There will be soon from NIO with 150 KWh, semi solid state and only 20kg heavier than their 100 KWh version
@Planetside2Simon8989 hmm the weight aspect is very interesting
chevy silverado has 200kWh but is heavy as shiiiiiit
@@Planetside2Simon8989 for now this is just anouncement bs to calm down investors. Researchers say, solid state and semi solid state is actual many years away -> because mass production is very expensive (the production process is very very difficult). So actual solid state applications are high price devices like heartbeat generators.
@LittleSpot hmm I thought the chevy was less around 140 .....damn it is 200
Hi Bjorn, it's very cold in Norway, maybe it's time to test the DC charging of some Chinese subcooled evs, nobody has tried it yet :-)
the good thing is there isn't that much batteries in the system when it comes to europe at the moment
I can approve from own experience, that shorter preheating will benefit the charging curve. I was manually heating the battery only about 20 Minutes and got no thermal throttling at -3 degrees Celsius outside. The power delivery went all the way up to 186 kW with increasing SOC/pack voltage. 169kW average from 10-70% 💪⚡️
The consumption of the G9 was also very low for this kind of car. Hm...we will see if the battery swap is really needed in the future...
In the future is when battery swap will really be needed. Many models 3 now are starting to be out of warranty and many are already on their second or third battery pack replaced under warranty. What happens when they need the fourth?
@@Lucas-wp2ph NCM Batterys are not durable, yes, thats right. But a swap on a model 3 is not more than 2 to 3 working hours. So after 10 years for 10k Euro it is cheaper than paying the rental battery from nio.
@@LittleSpot @LittleSpot Yes but for 10000€ you do not get a new battery like you always have in a Nio, but you get an old refurbished one instead with high degredation and old tech.
@@Lucas-wp2ph "get a new battery like you always have in a Nio" -> 🤣yes, shure...always a new one
@@Lucas-wp2ph "Many"? Really? Do you have numbers on that?
I swear you used that thumbnail text again just to spite us 😂
Bjorn is the Baus! Of BEV testing.
If i have Nio car so i can get new battery or old battery every time i swap it. Maybe i will avoid to swap it in 1 year after pass 1 year i will swap it.
Hej Björn. Can you do a range test of the new q4 e tron 45? I would appreciate, im going to buy it in this or next week.
It’s simple to keep a ratio of new and old batteries at the swap station. The ones that can utilize the higher charging speed gets the newer battery. The old batteries will phase out eventually as more new models are in circulation probably
Wow, a click bait typo in the thumbnail? 😁
Only for people who don't understand the difference between power and energy. lol
Kw/h per hour
I read somewhere that the issue with the NIO rate jumping was due to the HV electronics in the car (i.e. a cooling issue) rather than the battery itself. I don't know if that is true, or if that fixable with software (run the cooling earlier). The future will tell.
Also, of course 800V charging will be faster than 400V, at least with a good battery. Slightly unfair comparison on one hand, but a truly excellent result from Xpeng on the other hand!
About the NIO battery pool: NIO has stated that they will not remove the old (100a) batteries from Europe, but that those batteries will be fewer and fewer as time goes by. All 100 kWh batteries sold now are 100b, so they will gradually "take over" as more cars are sold and more stations are built. I practice, it will be a lottery for a few more years, but it will be easier and easier to "win". 😉 I think we will see more silent upgrades for existing owners as battery tech evolves. But that also means potential silent downgrades for new owners...
the 200bucks/month lottery... yeahhh. another reason for me to avoid the nio system. :/
@@LittleSpot Yeah, it's a little strange. In China I suppose it doesn't matter (because you can just swap instead of charging as a habit), but in Europe swapping is (still) quite rare. So maybe just don't swap and own a NIO like any other EV (because it's a good car, not for the swapping). At least for now.
Don't NIO sell these without having to buy the battery so you rely on swapping batteries?
I have written on twitter about it. People dont understand how stupid this. I am pretty sure Nio will not replace the old batteries in the pool. It would be way to expensive. They will only replace faulty batteries. Meaning if you buy a spanking new Nio in 2026, you can get a old 2021 battery in the car after first swap. And anyone that gets lucky would probably not swap anymore. So it wil always be skewed so most batteries in the swap pools will be old.
With how mainstream EVs are nowadays I think most people wouldn't care
Please do this test agian. Many owners have charged from 10-80% in less than 25min😊
How?
Was the battery maybe too cold? Out of Specs Reviews got 179 kW at 70 % and then it dropped to 140 kW at 80% with ET5 Touring last summer. Assume it was the new 100 kWh pack.
Fast charging is the fastest way to degrade the battery.
But cannot avoid it if you have to drive long routes
this is the "solid state" tech nio hyped up for years before launch?! it's nothing special
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