You guys are confusing yourselves every time. Previously, you had questioned the existence of Pht Mohmmad (saw). You even demonstrated and said that he didn't exist. That video is still available on TH-cam today. You haven't removed it yet. Today, you are saying that he was Nabatean. Meaning, you are contradicting what you preached previously. Basically you can say whatever you want to, But this is a reminder to those who think you guys know about Islamic history, and blindly following what you are putting in your videos. Always remember that these 2 guys are paid to create topics to support their missionary duties, this is an income to their beloved family, got to survive or die trying. And therefore, to get you lost even futher so watch out. Ahaha👆
@Handy Man No all the quads are registered no way to cruse the highways with out current registration. It's that dang water tax, we just can't keep the tanks full pissing in the wind.
Fantastic. It IS 'cutting edge' material. Once again, Al Fadi and Jay Smith and Dr. Dan Gibson (and some others too) are teaching Muslims about the Quran.
Exam Are close Same Farid that got exposed for lying from Rob Christian and sended the emails to Yasir Qhadi too, even dropped out a debate against Sam, man even also defended pedophilia. Watch variant Quran and even some scholars will agree with some of Jay here too
Not bad not bad for a start, Mr. J Smith only 1000s of years apart between two ethnic groups Nabatean Kingdom emerged right after King Solomon’s Reign (believed to be descendent of Nebaioth, Son of Prophet Ishmael) While ‘Ad and Thamud were extinct, long before even Prophet Abraham came into existence. Bravo, good Job Mr. Smith for your research … LOL
Andy Santi well that cannot be correct as at the beginning of every prayer Muslims recite “a’outhoo billahi minashaytaanir rajeem” which means “I seek refuge in Allah from the cursed Satan.” If Islam is from the Devil why would the Devil be calling himself cursed and teaching us to seek protection from him in Allah? Please stop being stupid if only for your own sake.
borrowed tomb good point. Satan could be deceiving the Christians with his trash talk and the Holy Ghost that enters a Christian could just be one of the devil’s minions fooling them. Interesting...
According to Mel from Sneakers Corner, Iyas Ibn Qabisah al-Ta'i was the man who was later called "Muhammad the prophet". He was from Persian descent. ;-)
I've been really liking this series! I need to check out Dan Gibson's books and that documentary and the previous series from last year! :D May God bless and keep you all! :)
@@againstthetimes He won't. Him and many other Muslims are in a full panic, attempting damage control. Him and a handful of others are spamming unrelated links and copy-pastes. I see the same few people all over this channel and others posting the same sad copy-paste arguments. They don't stick around, they don't answer objections, and I doubt they even understand what they've copied from some blog.
@@againstthetimes I prefer to do so in most cases, but "@Normal One off one" is just a spammer. He is on multiple videos on this channel and at least a few other channels; pasting the same hardly relevant links and blog posts(and/wiki articles)
it is correct because his forefather Ismael pbuh was a Chaldeans(Aramean) who are the Nabateans who are simply the Akkadians and Amorites who mixed with the Canaanites, mixed with the Arami tribes Ad and Thamud making them Aws and Athiri with an element of Arphaxad
A 2500 year old inscription on a Basalt rock has been found in Hail region of Northern Saudi Arabia depicting Nabonidus the last king of Babylon holding a snake, scepter, flower and moon. Could this be the origin of the name Nabatean?
The question is where do Mecca and Medina come in place within this story? Did the Muslim perform Hijra from Petra to Medina? Is Medina their settlement also? When did they start the Haj (pilgrimage) to Mecca if they originated from Petra?
@borrowed tomb Mo was huwite. He was so white, he was whiter than white. His thigh was the whitest thigh. His armpit was the whitest armpit. (Yes, it's kinky, but it's Islamic "scripture.") Being so huwite, Mo could well have been Persian.
I've just watched the '' Sacred City'' by Dan Gibson on TH-cam. I'll strongly recommend this video to anyone who is asking many questions about the real origin of Islam. Please watch it till the end.
@@normalnormal1330 These pathetic hit and run spam tactics aren't convincing anyone. They don't address the points raised in this video. They don't make your religion look strong... They just make Islam look weak and the Muslim in these comments to look pitiful.
Hellooo both of you look like dr in religious knowledge but you are not .Our Prophet lineage is from Prophet Ibrahim a s. You are calling Prophet Ibrahim a Jew .No certainly not .Study first the history .
Can you prove Muhammad's lineage upto Abraham since you are a scholar?. Even though Abraham is technically not a jew since it started from his grandson Jacob's son Judah, he have some connections which Muhammad couldn't claim.
it is interesting that since you posted this series you have realised that actually there was no Mohammad other than a warrior 'king' who 'retired' to Petra and M'had or Mohmet was his nickname and who was in some sense a 'Christian'
Interesting findings but Mr Al fardi is only partly correct when he stated that "The Archaeology doesn't lie" That part is true but the people who often interpret these Archaeological findings do lie. They are not Archaeologist by any stretch and perhaps never even dug so much as a small hole in ground of their backyard. Yet they are filled with explanations of what these ancients findings represent.
If Muhammad was a Nabatean, how does this fit the new thesis that the Quran was written in Mesopotamia, and that Muhammad was a King and was not an Arab, but a Persian?
@Michael Petek These people were international merchant travelers. The base language is Arameric with 4 dialects across from the Levant to Southern Zargos Mnts. As far as being Persian not all Persians were Persian some were/are Meds(sic), kind of like me with a Walsh name but moma was born in southern Mexico and papa's mom in New Mexico and her great grand pa born and lived to 102 on the census of 1870 meaning he did not move but became a citizen of three different nations, New Spain, Mexico and USA during his life; A true American.
"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak . . . that prophet shall die." ~GOD (Deuteronomy18:20) "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." ~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
@@mu9090 hello Mr...for this the false prophet need to be exist physically...... How can clowns 🤡 say about deeds about false prophet ....after they are the one he never physically existed ....you people need to decide whether he was existed or not If not ...then who created quran and hadiths
Hey guys, what benefit do you get from deluding your followers by concocting stories about Islam? Your story is obviously based on conjectures if not a figment of your wild imagination. Find the true message of Jesus instead and preach it to mankind. God is only one, not 3. Pray to one and only one God and dont worship woods, cross, images etc. They are not Gods and Jesus did not worship them.
@CIRA International, Edom is the country given to Esau (Jacob's twin) and he is the explanation of Quranic references to 'Isa'. The New Testament name is Idumaea. Mount Seir is in Edom, which is another way the Bible refers to the same area owned by Esau's descendants. Esau had become a rich trader in his day. According to maps, Edom covered a huge area overlapping modern Jordan - and therefore Petra - spreading much further east to the border of 'Nabatu.' No doubt there was plenty of trade across the water of the Red Sea, with Ismael's descendants in Egypt. The attempt by hadiths writers to implicate Abraham through Ishmael is real blunder, since Esau was Abraham's grandson already.
Perhaps if the Arabic peoples could realize that there is more to their history which is wealth-building outside of oil and through being very clever but this was not trying to undermine others, it was a live and let live heritage and they could get along with everyone. You don’t get rich in selling goods if you kill your customers.
The two big Nabatean market towns on the road from Gaza to the Gulf of Aqaba were Avdat and Shivta. Each of them had two large churches. The largest were in the Byzantine style and the other two were a more utilitarian in style. Could these have been two distinct Christian sects living together?
Great work my friends, but when I was at School Art class.Petra had just been referred.I said 'how can tent dwellers know about dams et'c? and also 'why does, in two hundred years they managed to attain the Architectural sophistication of the Ancient Greeks'.I said to my Art Teacher 'The Nabateans had plenty of money, so they hired Greeks for Architecture and Romans for Water systems' she laughed...........and it has never stopped.Who are the Architects and engineers that build their cities toady? Hey every Mosque after Agia Sophia was the template for Mosques
@@medalaeeladlani5683 Interestingly an honest Muslm Archeologist said that it was clear the Greeks and Romans were paid to design and build Petra. We are talking 200BC.After the Muslms conquered Constantinople they copied the Ayai Sophia for Mosques for hundreds of years........and to prove IRONY still exists, a new Mosque needed to be designed in Greenacre, Sydney, Australia.No Muslm could be found so they used a famous local GREEK architect to design an award winning Mosque.Islam is never original, it always copies whether it be the good parts of the Quran(Jewish or Christian texts) or its Architecture.
You guys are working hard. But it is a waste of time. See what God says They desire to extinguish with their mouths, the light of God; but God will perfect His light, though the unbelievers be averse. -Quran 61:8 So think about it before it is toooooooo late.
Kawai Garba Say, "O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
Some of the ground Jay is covering here, was covered in Notre Dame scholar Gabriel Reynolds book “The Ascent of Islam” which was published in 2012. Even if this geography proves more correct than the standard/traditional account, it still might be accurate as to Mohammed’s basic biography (or another character with the same story but different name in the area of Nabatea-Arabia). So the standard/traditional account of Mohammed might not be dead, as it helps to explain much of the story of what caused a sudden consolidation of politics in Arabia. Things like bendouin/vendetta/kin-based vengeance law makes sense. A guy that marries a 6 year old as soon as his ancient wife has died. Also the Monks of St. Catherine’s monastery in Sinai have a contract signed by Mohammed promising not to violate it or any Christian houses of worship (which might create a case in Islamic Jurisprudence to force the Turks to give Hagia Sophia back to the Eastern Orthodox Church) as Mohammed clearly said not to violate or confiscate Christian sacred spaces. There’s a lot of the traditional account that makes a lot of sense, just not the geography. How long will Islamic nations stay Islamic if irrefutable proof undermines their theology? On the other hand, what about other aspects of the Traditional account? Were there or weren’t there the battles in the war of apostasy? Did that war take place? If so between whom? Howabout the battle of Yarmouk? Howabout the battles that defeated the Sassanians shortly before that? Did Nabataeans consolidate the entire Arabian peninsula before fighting those battles? I wonder to what extent the presence of plague affected the balance of power between desert dwellers and the metropolitan empires that they destroyed? Was the founder of the Umayyad dynasty a real person? (Mauwiyah) Was Mauwiyah really Abu Sufyan’s son? Was he really Mohammed’s scribe? I believe the suppression of Mohammed’s name in inscriptions has something to do with the fact that Mauwiyah’s family hated Mohammed and saw him as rabble, but were nevertheless happy to inherit his Empire. Then there is the writing of John of Damascus, his father was a bureaucrat in Mauwiyah’s administration, so he would have some pretty accurate information, only two persons removed from the original Mohammed, if there were such a person. There’s quite a bit that supports this new narrative, but
@Tim Kane That 'treaty' for St. C has been shown by the language and writing style as being from the medieval time period. Don't be like some Muslims using out of date materials.
@@kaneinkansas Sorry Tim, but we already covered much of this material earlier. Take a look at the previous videos from February onward, and you will see that we responded to much of what your working through above. God bless
@@kuntul_burung Lol Do you have Muhammads DNA to be compared with Nabateans DNA? You have a very dumb suggestion. I dont know why muslims are always like that. Very illogical and outrageous.
I thought Muhammad was of a Yemeni lineage since his Father (Abdullah) was from Yemen together with their Klan that migrated to Arabia sometime 470 AD. Therefore they were Yemeni Arabs called SABATEANS. Whereas Nabateans are from somewhere near or at Jordan.
@@ajrwilde14 I understand your limited knowledge 'coz you don't use your common sense nor make some researches and analyses, you just swallow all the LIES they taught you. Here's the proof to refute the LIES: Abraham was a Hebrew and Hagar was an Egyptian Slave of Abraham and they bore a son named Ishmael. Therefore Ishmael was Half-Hebrew and and Half-Egyptian, not an Arab. Then Ishmael married an Egyptian and their descendants were called Ismaelites that settled around Jordan. Whereas, as I explained before, Muhammad's Parents were Yemeni Arabs, therefore Muhammad was a Yemeni Arab. Even Muhammad said in many Hadiths that he was not a descendant of Ishmael, not even up to the 17th generations. Besides, Ishmaelites were extinct around 1000BC and Muhammad was born 570AD. So, there was not even a slight connection between Ishmaelites and Muhammad. Sorry Alice, am not against you nor any Muslim for that matter, I'm against the LIES of many Muslim teachers. Remember the meaning of MUSLIM, the one who SUBMIT without questions, and that is you and all the Muslims even if they are all LIES. I'll give you another LIE. You were taught that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba, right? But History denies that, because Abraham and Ishmael never reached Mecca because there was no Mecca during Abraham's time about 2000BC. The Kaaba in Mecca was built sometime 470AD by Abu Qarb, a Pagan Yemeni Arab who was with the Klan of Muhammad's Father and they all worshipped the Moon, Stars, Sun, and Rocks there together with about 360 stone Idols. Have you seen the Black Rock at the corner of the Kaaba? That was the one they worshipped. Pls. don't believe easily in what I stated. Make your own research from neutral sources. It's all over YT, if you really want to know the truth instead of lies. Did you know that millions of Muslims are now converting to Christianity?
@@kevine5703 Hahahhaa what you learned were the ones they want you to learn. It's true that Abraham was a Chaldean not really a Hebrew, because a Hebrew is not an Ethnic Personage but rather a kinda Slang word that means "Alien or Foreigner" that people called him and as time passed it already became Abraham's identity and eventually identified as a Language. The Klan including the Parents of Abdullah and Amina migrated from Yemen to Mainland Arabia in 470 AD, thus their Etnicity were Yemeni Arabs or perhaps Sabaeans. Quraish Tribes don't exist in any part of Arabia, because, its only when the Klan of Muhammad migrated to Arabia they formed and called themselves Quaraish, that's the only time Quraish Tribes existed. As I already Explained in my past comments, Mecca and Kaaba were not established by Abraham and Ishmael, because there was no Mecca yet in their time about 2000 BC. You were tricked to believe that the story of Abu Qarb was a Folklore because Islamists are trying to propagate their Lies about Abraham and Ishmael. Now let's see who's lying about Abu Qarb. When the Klan of Muhammad migrated to Arabia from Yemen in about 470AD, Abu Qarb was part of the group. How can he be "active around 300 AD" when it fact it's about 170 years difference from the time they migrated? Your lies goes to show that he was born and lived before 300AD, therefore his age was more than 170 years when he migrated. Or perhaps to justify your Lies and Errors, you were referring to different person that may have the same name. Nice alibi tho. One more thing tho. Are you a Muslim, Jewish or Christian? Because you've been using the Bible as reference. If you're a Muslim and trying to prove your False Religion then why use the Bible instead of Quran and all the Hadiths available? Can you not find concrete proofs from all the Islam's writings? Or maybe there were NONE at all.
@@kevine5703 Since you're an Atheist then there's no point to prolong the agony of our conversations. We don't stand on the same ground. Tnx for your time, anyhow.
You guys are confusing yourselves every time. Previously, you had questioned the existence of Pht Mohmmad (saw). You even demonstrated and said that he didn't exist. That video is still available on TH-cam today. You haven't removed it yet. Today, you are saying that he was Nabatean. Meaning, you are contradicting what you preached previously. Basically you can say whatever you want to, But this is a reminder to those who think you guys know about Islamic history, and blindly following what you are putting in your videos. Always remember that these 2 guys are paid to create topics to support their missionary duties, this is an income to their beloved family, got to survive or die trying. And therefore, to get you lost even futher so watch out. Ahaha👆
YES AL FHADI SINCE MANY YEARS I BELIEVED THE KHADIJAH WAS SETTLED IN PETRA AS PETRA WAS IN THE CROSSROADS OF TRADE.ALL CARAVANS TRAVELLED EAST AND WEST TRU PETRA.MOHAMMAD ACTUALLY LIVED IN PETRA FOR THE FIRST YEARS OF HIS LIFE WITH KHADIJAH.
Found in a valley with a non-perennial river running through it. is Petra. The Nabateans allegedly dammed the rivers during the rainy seasons as the rainwater came down the wadis. Why not dig wells and rock the well walls to hold the water. They were giants at carving rocks. One has to just look at the tombs.
Here the complete family tree of muhammad pbuh trace from Adam and eve Muhammad SAW bin Abdullah bin Abdul Muttalib bin Hasyim bin Mughirah bin Qusayy bin Kilab bin Murrah bin Ka’b bin Lu’ayy bin Ghalib bin Fihr bin Malik bin al-Nadlr bin Kinanah bin Khuzaimah bin Mudrikah bin Ilyas bin Mudhar bin Nizar bin Ma’add bin ‘Adnan bin Udda bin Muqawwim bin Nahur bin Tayrah bin Ya’ruba bin Yasyjuba bin Nabat bin _Ismail_ bin _Ibrahim_ bin Tarih ( Azar ) bin Nahur bin Sarug bin Ra’u bin Falikh bin Aybar bin Syalikh bin Arfakhsyadz bin _Sam_ bin _Nuh_ bin Lamak bin Mattu Syalakh ( bin _Akhnunkh_ (enoch) bin Yard bin Malayil bin Qainan bin Yanisy bin _Syits_ (sith) bin _Adam_ 'alaihis salam Which one is nabatean? Because entire name since ismail pbuh is living in mecca
@jimmy Afrika Sorry even Muslim scholars are saying there is a growing trend of Muslims leaving faster than breeding or converting. Note that there is a Muslim idea that Islam will return to just one man believing. Look to be self fulfilling.
@@gilbertjones9157 Is that why churches are being turned into mosques all over Europe? The majority of new reverts are in the western countries.....which will only hasten the day when Islam will be the soul religion.
@@meltratics9138 Fine, who's bankrolling the building efforts, Locals? Those who join? We will be watching the exodus as more info come forward which fills the holes in the standard narrative. Be aware we in the west have no red line stopping us. That line came about soon after Baghdad fell to the Mongols and the Caliph was wrapped in a carpet for the horde to trample over.
@@gilbertjones9157 This is all pseudo history......Jay has been making outlandish claims for years now......and guess what? The spread of Islam in the west is only accelerating. In a short few decades many European countries will be majority Muslim......all without a single shot being fired. Surely that is proof enough that we are upon the truth.
@jimmy Afrika There are a number of current Islamic scholars that see a different trend. Failure on the Uma's and Muslim scholars to put forward an apologetic response defending reasons to believe in their beliefs from their own scriptures will set up all to be overwhelmed by the information tsunami which will leave them like Port Royal underwater with no place to go. We all ready have heard Muslims admit that there are holes in the standard narrative.
I feel they are descendants of Moses from the Exodus. Herod's mom was Nabatean as well as Jesus, Mary, and John the Baptist. Essenes, Nazarene, Magdalen, Nabatean. All the same people.
Now we have to tie in Mel from Sneaker's Corner's new findings of Mohammed being an Iraqi warlord. How, why and when did he move the show to Petra and the Nabateans?
I would like to know the commonality of the Assyrians and Nabateans, I have read that the Nabateans were Assyrianized to a certain degree under the Sargonid Dynasty in terms of using Imperial Aramaic (Assyrian unified language system), as a formal language and writing, customs, and the worship of Mesopotamian deities like Shamash, they even called Hatra in Imperial Aramaic as "Beta d' Elaha" which means "The House of God" in the 2nd century BC. What's interesting is Nabonidus, the last King of Babylon (556-539 BC) in his later years after leaving Babylon, made his official home in the town of Tayma which is in northern Arabia. King Nabonidus was also a monotheist, which is why the priesthood of Marduk in Babylon was not a fond of him, he was the worshiper of the god Sin, which was a moon god (House of the great light, aka Beta d' kaba'hal/kabira d' bahra in Imperial Aramaic).
@@soheil527 i dont think that is correct at all 1) Akkadians 2) Amorites(Amalekites/Hyksos/Imliq) both were mixed with the Canaanites 3) Arami tribe Ad,sons of Aws/Uz conquered Iraq and Syria mixing with the Akkadians and Amorites making them Aws in origin 4)when actual tribe of Ad perished Prophet Hud pbuh was with the Arami tribe Thamud who are from him ,they lived from North Arabia to greater part of Syria mixing with the Assyrians, it was the Akkadians who are from Prophet Hud pbuh 5) when thamud went astray Prophet Saleh was sent to them and when they perished it was the Amorites who are from Prophet Saleh pbuh(the amorites are the original hebrews whether before Saleh or because of him not sure ) 6) when actual tribe of thamud perished which sometime during the Assyrian Empire ,the Akkadians formed the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Nabateans who mixed /absorbed the Amorites (not sure if all) 7) also there is an element of Aphaxad the Akkadians and Amorites (mixed with canaanites) are Aws and Athiri in origin with an element of Arphaxad they mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Abraham pbuh adnani arabs were not suring time of thamud who were same time as the Assyrians, Sargon the 2nd mentioned the Thamud . If that is the case how could Adnani Arabs exist during this time
@7:40 why would the Meccan surahs refer to people of ʿĀd whereas Medina surahs refer to people of Thamud and Midian? I thought people of ʿĀd are people predating Thamud and therefore the ʿĀd and Thamud people should have been referred at the Meccan surahs, no?
Are these Nabateans same as Namboodri brahmins of Kerala, India of those days ? I have heard some people saying Muhammad's uncle use to chant / write SHIVA songs in sanskrit. I have also heard that one of the king of Kerala met Muhammad and became a direct disciple of Muhammad. Is there any research on these by the historians ?
Wow this Arab Is so open to criticism. Haven't seen any sheik like this. Usually most Arabs are closed they don't question Quran. They follow blindly. But this Arab looking guy is open to Jay. Is this a miracle happening in Arab world like arsbs being open to criticism.
There is a group of scientists in F which is researching the texts of the Coran to find out the real sources of the Coran and it historical connections. And they came up with some very intersting conclusions.
I hope they will publish. As more of the garlic is peeled the more the Qur'an has it's holes in the narrative be filled with concepts and connections that make sense. This makes the Muslim scholars turn faster than a dervish.
Mel has now withdrawn from Hira (Herat, Khorasan) down to Al-Hira (Iraq), if I got that right. and I also think, Mohamet was from the Tayyi2-tribe (as various non-moslem sources say, even in China!), but bc the earliest mosques are all facing Petra, there has meanwhile already been some "redaction" work done. By logic after or during the compilation ("collection") and translation of the quran into arabic. My guess is still, the quran has different layers of text. I mean not only mecca-medina. much more. and much more diverse.
Perhaps the tribes of Arabia have Nabatean ancestry. Just because Mohammad's tribe has a Nabatean connection doesn't mean he lived in the Petra area. He can still be Meccan. Islam's origins still could be from tge Mecca and Medina areas. Islam incorporated pre-Islamic culture and practices, including those further north from the Petra area.
This info I found says Mohammad's family came from Yemen Muslims believe that Mohammed is a descendant of Ishmael. As proof of their position, Muslims refer to genealogies written around 770-775 A.D. by Ibn Ishak. What he has written is simply not true. Ishmaelite tribes, especially the tribe of Nebaioth from which, according to Ibn Ishak, Mohammed is said to have come, were nomadic tribes who lived in the Sinai and Fertile Crescent deserts. These tribes disappeared after the 7th century B.C. Mohammed's family was a Himyarite Yemeni family, while the Ishmaelites, who lived in the deserts of the Fertile Crescent, became extinct many centuries before Mohammed's family left Yemen.
The same people who are calling Jay and Al Fadi liars are the same ones that don’t even know as much as them or are the ones that are listening to liars themselves like Muhammad Hijab, Ijaz, Farid, Halal, Umer and more. In a debate when he was incorrect he admitted and kept going with his vids
Muhammad P is the last messenger from the family of Abraham P better believe in him and get corrected otherwise you all will be losers in the day of judgement.. House of Abraham P is House of ISLAM House of Shalom and Salam
@Hamdam Radio That's the glove that covers the hand that gestures with the spoken words of the story teller in the Bazaar in Kuffu or was that Sura? Never mind the camels need water.
Is anyone aware of any similar video series that discusses the theories of Gibson from a purely historical and academic point of view? Not from a pro-Christian site or channel?
Not even one that pretends this bunk is strictly historical and academic. They admit they want to damage Islam as a religious duty and try to find I for.ation to aid that goal. Dan Gibson has no support from the academic world but is a hero in evangelical circles. .
Excuse me bro - just to be clearer Ishmael’s God is not the God of the bible - “I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” Ex 3:6. In fact Ishmael and Esau were unbelievers. Yahweh was not their God! “And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father; Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.”Gen 28:8,9. Gen 21:10, 12,14 The Canaanites were idolaters. Ishmael and Esau worshipped cananite idols.
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Thank you for this my brothers Al Fadi & Jay Smith...And of course brother Dan Gibson.
Great work! Keep it going.
Thank you Jay and alfaddy for all that you're doing. You're both being lifted up to the throne of grace by prayer daily. Praise the Lord
Hallelujah!
You guys are confusing yourselves every time. Previously, you had questioned the existence of Pht Mohmmad (saw). You even demonstrated and said that he didn't exist. That video is still available on TH-cam today. You haven't removed it yet. Today, you are saying that he was Nabatean. Meaning, you are contradicting what you preached previously.
Basically you can say whatever you want to, But this is a reminder to those who think you guys know about Islamic history, and blindly following what you are putting in your videos.
Always remember that these 2 guys are paid to create topics to support their missionary duties, this is an income to their beloved family, got to survive or die trying. And therefore, to get you lost even futher so watch out. Ahaha👆
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This is Fascinating material that you guys are unpacking and i don’t know why nobody has done it before. God bless you brother Al Fadi & Jay Smith 🙏🏼
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It's only the beginning. Islamology is just at the beginning.
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Thank you for sharing 🙏 this is very informative.
I read a report that the IRS is trying to audit the Nabateans for tax evasion.
No they got Al on all those charges. He even confess to avoiding them.
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@Handy Man No all the quads are registered no way to cruse the highways with out current registration. It's that dang water tax, we just can't keep the tanks full pissing in the wind.
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The auditor is a Rabi
Fantastic. It IS 'cutting edge' material. Once again, Al Fadi and Jay Smith and Dr. Dan Gibson (and some others too) are teaching Muslims about the Quran.
@Mame Game You're right. I should have said 'schooling them!' LOLz
May our God enrichly bless & keep you with all your families.
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Exam Are close Same Farid that got exposed for lying from Rob Christian and sended the emails to Yasir Qhadi too, even dropped out a debate against Sam, man even also defended pedophilia. Watch variant Quran and even some scholars will agree with some of Jay here too
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Not bad not bad for a start, Mr. J Smith only 1000s of years apart between two ethnic groups
Nabatean Kingdom emerged right after King Solomon’s Reign (believed to be descendent of Nebaioth, Son of Prophet Ishmael)
While ‘Ad and Thamud were extinct, long before even Prophet Abraham came into existence.
Bravo, good Job Mr. Smith for your research … LOL
This is awesome!! Thank you for uploading
Thank you for all your work. God bless you both Al Fadi and Jay Smith.
Great work Al Fadi!
God bless you real good!
God bless Jay Smith!
The Arab speaker agreeing with Jay’s incorrect and totally made up translation of Arabic! It’s the blind leading the blind here. 😂🤦🏻♂️
Andy Santi well that cannot be correct as at the beginning of every prayer Muslims recite “a’outhoo billahi minashaytaanir rajeem” which means “I seek refuge in Allah from the cursed Satan.” If Islam is from the Devil why would the Devil be calling himself cursed and teaching us to seek protection from him in Allah? Please stop being stupid if only for your own sake.
mpdcuk Satan is the greatest deceiver of all.
borrowed tomb good point. Satan could be deceiving the Christians with his trash talk and the Holy Ghost that enters a Christian could just be one of the devil’s minions fooling them. Interesting...
@@mpdcuk Yes, Muslims seek the devil, to save themselves from the devil. Or, more correctly, Muslims seek the devil to save them from God.
@@mpdcuk Or Satan could be deceiving Mohammed, oh yea that actually happened didn’t it.
According to Mel from Sneakers Corner, Iyas Ibn Qabisah al-Ta'i was the man who was later called "Muhammad the prophet". He was from Persian descent. ;-)
Jesus Christ born in India he was from Brahman family..
@@m.javedakram2572 Jews have been in India for a very long time possibly before the first destruction of the Temple.
You guys are AWESOME! Thanks Al and Jay for all you do!!
I've been really liking this series! I need to check out Dan Gibson's books and that documentary and the previous series from last year! :D
May God bless and keep you all! :)
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Hello there Normal normsl, may I ask you to explain a little bit more what you mean?
I hope you have a great day!
@@againstthetimes He won't. Him and many other Muslims are in a full panic, attempting damage control. Him and a handful of others are spamming unrelated links and copy-pastes. I see the same few people all over this channel and others posting the same sad copy-paste arguments. They don't stick around, they don't answer objections, and I doubt they even understand what they've copied from some blog.
@@thegreenknight8423 Lol, I don't expect a reply, but I thought it would be fun to give the opportunity ^_^
@@againstthetimes I prefer to do so in most cases, but "@Normal One off one" is just a spammer. He is on multiple videos on this channel and at least a few other channels; pasting the same hardly relevant links and blog posts(and/wiki articles)
Thank you for all your work to teach people about World Religions.
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Thanks for sharing. That explains very much
Certainly cutting edge information, as a Muslim myself, it unlocked lot of unknown areas taken for granted , with the Arab tendency to dig deep
This is not a good thing lol
Now this is excellent scholarship and research.
Tham = after
Ud = ad
Arab speaking people = slap forehead
Well tbh classical arabic is much different from modern arabic
it is correct because his forefather Ismael pbuh was a Chaldeans(Aramean) who are the Nabateans who are simply the Akkadians and Amorites who mixed with the Canaanites, mixed with the Arami tribes Ad and Thamud making them Aws and Athiri with an element of Arphaxad
This one is a liar too.... Wolf with a sheep cloth...
A 2500 year old inscription on a Basalt rock has been found in Hail region of Northern Saudi Arabia depicting Nabonidus the last king of Babylon holding a snake, scepter, flower and moon. Could this be the origin of the name Nabatean?
Very interesting history lesson.
Thank you and God bless.
The question is where do Mecca and Medina come in place within this story?
Did the Muslim perform Hijra from Petra to Medina?
Is Medina their settlement also?
When did they start the Haj (pilgrimage) to Mecca if they originated from Petra?
@borrowed tomb Mo was huwite. He was so white, he was whiter than white. His thigh was the whitest thigh. His armpit was the whitest armpit. (Yes, it's kinky, but it's Islamic "scripture.") Being so huwite, Mo could well have been Persian.
Just read about muslim vs byzamtium war
@@rubynibs bro that’s what why called arab
@@ynwa8835 Arabs called him white.
I've just watched the '' Sacred City'' by Dan Gibson on TH-cam. I'll strongly recommend this video to anyone who is asking many questions about the real origin of Islam. Please watch it till the end.
if you take that video seriously, you're an idiot
Yea!when you feel like you wanna a good piece of fiction.
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@@sbasha7 but it has proof
@@normalnormal1330 These pathetic hit and run spam tactics aren't convincing anyone. They don't address the points raised in this video. They don't make your religion look strong... They just make Islam look weak and the Muslim in these comments to look pitiful.
Hellooo both of you look like dr in religious knowledge but you are not .Our Prophet lineage is from Prophet Ibrahim a s. You are calling Prophet Ibrahim a Jew .No certainly not .Study first the history .
Can you prove Muhammad's lineage upto Abraham since you are a scholar?. Even though Abraham is technically not a jew since it started from his grandson Jacob's son Judah, he have some connections which Muhammad couldn't claim.
it is interesting that since you posted this series you have realised that actually there was no Mohammad other than a warrior 'king' who 'retired' to Petra and M'had or Mohmet was his nickname and who was in some sense a 'Christian'
Interesting findings but Mr Al fardi is only partly correct when he stated that "The Archaeology doesn't lie" That part is true but the people who often interpret these Archaeological findings do lie. They are not Archaeologist by any stretch and perhaps never even dug so much as a small hole in ground of their backyard. Yet they are filled with explanations of what these ancients findings represent.
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@@joehouston2833, what the heck! 😂 People who think the Bible is full of fairytales need to read the Quran and Hadith 😂🤧
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"My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone!
🤣🤣🤣 Poor Moses.
@@princeamoakwa4057 gospel of jesus?
Great that this knowledge is so easily available here. We learn so much.
Dan Gibson narration cannot be denied except they have another legitimate source
If Muhammad was a Nabatean, how does this fit the new thesis that the Quran was written in Mesopotamia, and that Muhammad was a King and was not an Arab, but a Persian?
@Michael Petek These people were international merchant travelers. The base language is Arameric with 4 dialects across from the Levant to Southern Zargos Mnts. As far as being Persian not all Persians were Persian some were/are Meds(sic), kind of like me with a Walsh name but moma was born in southern Mexico and papa's mom in New Mexico and her great grand pa born and lived to 102 on the census of 1870 meaning he did not move but became a citizen of three different nations, New Spain, Mexico and USA during his life; A true American.
I am a Christian from South Africa.
I've been watching Mr. Jay Smith.
I would love study these things in the future.
that clown who said muhammad just a fiction character and now he say muhammad born in petra.
lol
"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak . . . that prophet shall die." ~GOD (Deuteronomy18:20)
"I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." ~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
@@mu9090 hello Mr...for this the false prophet need to be exist physically......
How can clowns 🤡 say about deeds about false prophet ....after they are the one he never physically existed ....you people need to decide whether he was existed or not
If not ...then who created quran and hadiths
Hey guys, what benefit do you get from deluding your followers by concocting stories about Islam? Your story is obviously based on conjectures if not a figment of your wild imagination. Find the true message of Jesus instead and preach it to mankind. God is only one, not 3. Pray to one and only one God and dont worship woods, cross, images etc. They are not Gods and Jesus did not worship them.
I can swear on this with my life that this is true, I have evidence of that in hear Nigeria
@CIRA International, Edom is the country given to Esau (Jacob's twin) and he is the explanation of Quranic references to 'Isa'. The New Testament name is Idumaea. Mount Seir is in Edom, which is another way the Bible refers to the same area owned by Esau's descendants. Esau had become a rich trader in his day. According to maps, Edom covered a huge area overlapping modern Jordan - and therefore Petra - spreading much further east to the border of 'Nabatu.'
No doubt there was plenty of trade across the water of the Red Sea, with Ismael's descendants in Egypt. The attempt by hadiths writers to implicate Abraham through Ishmael is real blunder, since Esau was Abraham's grandson already.
Perhaps if the Arabic peoples could realize that there is more to their history which is wealth-building outside of oil and through being very clever but this was not trying to undermine others, it was a live and let live heritage and they could get along with everyone. You don’t get rich in selling goods if you kill your customers.
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The two big Nabatean market towns on the road from Gaza to the Gulf of Aqaba were Avdat and Shivta. Each of them had two large churches. The largest were in the Byzantine style and the other two were a more utilitarian in style. Could these have been two distinct Christian sects living together?
Great work my friends, but when I was at School Art class.Petra had just been referred.I said 'how can tent dwellers know about dams et'c? and also 'why does, in two hundred years they managed to attain the Architectural sophistication of the Ancient Greeks'.I said to my Art Teacher 'The Nabateans had plenty of money, so they hired Greeks for Architecture and Romans for Water systems' she laughed...........and it has never stopped.Who are the Architects and engineers that build their cities toady? Hey every Mosque after Agia Sophia was the template for Mosques
Dams were built before the Romans, and the architecture was inspired by Greeks but they are not the architects.
@@medalaeeladlani5683 Interestingly an honest Muslm Archeologist said that it was clear the Greeks and Romans were paid to design and build Petra. We are talking 200BC.After the Muslms conquered Constantinople they copied the Ayai Sophia for Mosques for hundreds of years........and to prove IRONY still exists, a new Mosque needed to be designed in Greenacre, Sydney, Australia.No Muslm could be found so they used a famous local GREEK architect to design an award winning Mosque.Islam is never original, it always copies whether it be the good parts of the Quran(Jewish or Christian texts) or its Architecture.
So Prophet Muhammad and Herod from the New Testament were from the same tribe?
God bless you. Another important knowledge.
You guys are working hard. But it is a waste of time. See what God says
They desire to extinguish with their mouths, the light of God; but God will perfect His light, though the unbelievers be averse. -Quran 61:8
So think about it before it is toooooooo late.
Yes thats a absolute true
Islam is the truth and prophet Muhamad is a true messenger.
Give reference from the where the categorical statement saying "Islam is the truth and prophet muhamad is a true messenger......
Kawai Garba
Say, "O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
Thank you so much for sharing .
Some of the ground Jay is covering here, was covered in Notre Dame scholar Gabriel Reynolds book “The Ascent of Islam” which was published in 2012. Even if this geography proves more correct than the standard/traditional account, it still might be accurate as to Mohammed’s basic biography (or another character with the same story but different name in the area of Nabatea-Arabia). So the standard/traditional account of Mohammed might not be dead, as it helps to explain much of the story of what caused a sudden consolidation of politics in Arabia. Things like bendouin/vendetta/kin-based vengeance law makes sense. A guy that marries a 6 year old as soon as his ancient wife has died. Also the Monks of St. Catherine’s monastery in Sinai have a contract signed by Mohammed promising not to violate it or any Christian houses of worship (which might create a case in Islamic Jurisprudence to force the Turks to give Hagia Sophia back to the Eastern Orthodox Church) as Mohammed clearly said not to violate or confiscate Christian sacred spaces. There’s a lot of the traditional account that makes a lot of sense, just not the geography. How long will Islamic nations stay Islamic if irrefutable proof undermines their theology? On the other hand, what about other aspects of the Traditional account? Were there or weren’t there the battles in the war of apostasy? Did that war take place? If so between whom? Howabout the battle of Yarmouk? Howabout the battles that defeated the Sassanians shortly before that? Did Nabataeans consolidate the entire Arabian peninsula before fighting those battles? I wonder to what extent the presence of plague affected the balance of power between desert dwellers and the metropolitan empires that they destroyed? Was the founder of the Umayyad dynasty a real person? (Mauwiyah) Was Mauwiyah really Abu Sufyan’s son? Was he really Mohammed’s scribe? I believe the suppression of Mohammed’s name in inscriptions has something to do with the fact that Mauwiyah’s family hated Mohammed and saw him as rabble, but were nevertheless happy to inherit his Empire. Then there is the writing of John of Damascus, his father was a bureaucrat in Mauwiyah’s administration, so he would have some pretty accurate information, only two persons removed from the original Mohammed, if there were such a person.
There’s quite a bit that supports this new narrative, but
@Tim Kane That 'treaty' for St. C has been shown by the language and writing style as being from the medieval time period. Don't be like some Muslims using out of date materials.
Gilbert Jones I’m just bringing up issues. Lighten up Francis.
@@kaneinkansas Sorry have been deal with several hard heads. Not meant to be giving offence. Just seeking to hold veritus.
Gilbert Jones No worries - just hoping they will discover and discuss these issues as they go.
@@kaneinkansas Sorry Tim, but we already covered much of this material earlier. Take a look at the previous videos from February onward, and you will see that we responded to much of what your working through above. God bless
Salam.... I am Indonesian Christian, May God Bless Mr. Jay Smith and all of you. In Jesus Name.
God bless you Brothers thanks ❤👏
Thanks for this eyes opener
Tell Dan Gibson.
Before he concludes that Muhammad was a Nabatean, he should check the Nabatean DNA
If confirmed... then hats off
- humble muslim -
Do you have Muhammad’s DNA?
@@blessingpereye1258 ofcourse not...
But in theory, we can still find it through his present lineage
@@kuntul_burung Lol Do you have Muhammads DNA to be compared with Nabateans DNA? You have a very dumb suggestion. I dont know why muslims are always like that. Very illogical and outrageous.
Al Fadi has a pleasant voice. So harmony to hear your voice. Jay smith is history legend that Exposed islam to become rotten and dead.
# 2 point is regarding the City of Taif, not five. I dictated my response and missed some typos, sorry.
I thought Muhammad was of a Yemeni lineage since his Father (Abdullah) was from Yemen together with their Klan that migrated to Arabia sometime 470 AD. Therefore they were Yemeni Arabs called SABATEANS. Whereas Nabateans are from somewhere near or at Jordan.
no Muhammad was the lineage of Abraham so he was from the Ishmaelites
@@ajrwilde14 I understand your limited knowledge 'coz you don't use your common sense nor make some researches and analyses, you just swallow all the LIES they taught you. Here's the proof to refute the LIES: Abraham was a Hebrew and Hagar was an Egyptian Slave of Abraham and they bore a son named Ishmael. Therefore Ishmael was Half-Hebrew and and Half-Egyptian, not an Arab. Then Ishmael married an Egyptian and their descendants were called Ismaelites that settled around Jordan. Whereas, as I explained before, Muhammad's Parents were Yemeni Arabs, therefore Muhammad was a Yemeni Arab. Even Muhammad said in many Hadiths that he was not a descendant of Ishmael, not even up to the 17th generations. Besides, Ishmaelites were extinct around 1000BC and Muhammad was born 570AD. So, there was not even a slight connection between Ishmaelites and Muhammad. Sorry Alice, am not against you nor any Muslim for that matter, I'm against the LIES of many Muslim teachers. Remember the meaning of MUSLIM, the one who SUBMIT without questions, and that is you and all the Muslims even if they are all LIES.
I'll give you another LIE. You were taught that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba, right? But History denies that, because Abraham and Ishmael never reached Mecca because there was no Mecca during Abraham's time about 2000BC. The Kaaba in Mecca was built sometime 470AD by Abu Qarb, a Pagan Yemeni Arab who was with the Klan of Muhammad's Father and they all worshipped the Moon, Stars, Sun, and Rocks there together with about 360 stone Idols. Have you seen the Black Rock at the corner of the Kaaba? That was the one they worshipped.
Pls. don't believe easily in what I stated. Make your own research from neutral sources. It's all over YT, if you really want to know the truth instead of lies. Did you know that millions of Muslims are now converting to Christianity?
@@kevine5703 Hahahhaa what you learned were the ones they want you to learn. It's true that Abraham was a Chaldean not really a Hebrew, because a Hebrew is not an Ethnic Personage but rather a kinda Slang word that means "Alien or Foreigner" that people called him and as time passed it already became Abraham's identity and eventually identified as a Language.
The Klan including the Parents of Abdullah and Amina migrated from Yemen to Mainland Arabia in 470 AD, thus their Etnicity were Yemeni Arabs or perhaps Sabaeans. Quraish Tribes don't exist in any part of Arabia, because, its only when the Klan of Muhammad migrated to Arabia they formed and called themselves Quaraish, that's the only time Quraish Tribes existed.
As I already Explained in my past comments, Mecca and Kaaba were not established by Abraham and Ishmael, because there was no Mecca yet in their time about 2000 BC.
You were tricked to believe that the story of Abu Qarb was a Folklore because Islamists are trying to propagate their Lies about Abraham and Ishmael.
Now let's see who's lying about Abu Qarb. When the Klan of Muhammad migrated to Arabia from Yemen in about 470AD, Abu Qarb was part of the group. How can he be "active around
300 AD" when it fact it's about 170 years difference from the time they migrated? Your lies goes to show that he was born and lived before 300AD, therefore his age was more than 170 years when he migrated. Or perhaps to justify your Lies and Errors, you were referring to different person that may have the same name. Nice alibi tho.
One more thing tho. Are you a Muslim, Jewish or Christian? Because you've been using the Bible as reference. If you're a Muslim and trying to prove your False Religion then why use the Bible instead of Quran and all the Hadiths available? Can you not find concrete proofs from all the Islam's writings? Or maybe there were NONE at all.
@@kevine5703 Since you're an Atheist then there's no point to prolong the agony of our conversations. We don't stand on the same ground. Tnx for your time, anyhow.
@@chattcedric6321 nabateans were not christian or muslim they were polytheist they ancestry are people thamud and aad they build petra
At 2:54 he makes a mistake, Edomites or the descendents of Esau not Ishmael.
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You guys are confusing yourselves every time. Previously, you had questioned the existence of Pht Mohmmad (saw). You even demonstrated and said that he didn't exist. That video is still available on TH-cam today. You haven't removed it yet. Today, you are saying that he was Nabatean. Meaning, you are contradicting what you preached previously.
Basically you can say whatever you want to, But this is a reminder to those who think you guys know about Islamic history, and blindly following what you are putting in your videos.
Always remember that these 2 guys are paid to create topics to support their missionary duties, this is an income to their beloved family, got to survive or die trying. And therefore, to get you lost even futher so watch out. Ahaha👆
Of course he was a Nabatean. Why else would he mention the lord of Sirius?
YES AL FHADI SINCE MANY YEARS I BELIEVED THE KHADIJAH WAS SETTLED IN PETRA AS PETRA WAS IN THE CROSSROADS OF TRADE.ALL CARAVANS TRAVELLED EAST AND WEST TRU PETRA.MOHAMMAD ACTUALLY LIVED IN PETRA FOR THE FIRST YEARS OF HIS LIFE WITH KHADIJAH.
Can you answer this question what was the colour of the eyes of Muhammad the Romans placement of Jesus.
Come again... Your question isn't clear
Found in a valley with a non-perennial river running through it. is Petra. The Nabateans allegedly dammed the rivers during the rainy seasons as the rainwater came down the wadis. Why not dig wells and rock the well walls to hold the water. They were giants at carving rocks. One has to just look at the tombs.
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Do not make the peace symbol. It is bad.
you know india dont believe in the lord
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@@PortGasDsunny yes we follow the real gods
@@noruas yeah real god like panis of shiva
Here the complete family tree of muhammad pbuh trace from Adam and eve
Muhammad SAW bin Abdullah bin Abdul Muttalib bin Hasyim bin Mughirah bin Qusayy bin Kilab bin Murrah bin Ka’b bin Lu’ayy bin Ghalib bin Fihr bin Malik bin al-Nadlr bin Kinanah bin Khuzaimah bin Mudrikah bin Ilyas bin Mudhar bin Nizar bin Ma’add bin ‘Adnan bin Udda bin Muqawwim bin Nahur bin Tayrah bin Ya’ruba bin Yasyjuba bin Nabat bin _Ismail_ bin _Ibrahim_ bin Tarih ( Azar ) bin Nahur bin Sarug bin Ra’u bin Falikh bin Aybar bin Syalikh bin Arfakhsyadz bin _Sam_ bin _Nuh_ bin Lamak bin Mattu Syalakh ( bin _Akhnunkh_ (enoch) bin Yard bin Malayil bin Qainan bin Yanisy bin _Syits_ (sith) bin _Adam_ 'alaihis salam
Which one is nabatean? Because entire name since ismail pbuh is living in mecca
Why would you expect them to tell the truth.These people are liars with no honor.
This guy claims to have found devastating information that will damage Islam.....yet the religion keeps getting stronger.
@jimmy Afrika Sorry even Muslim scholars are saying there is a growing trend of Muslims leaving faster than breeding or converting. Note that there is a Muslim idea that Islam will return to just one man believing. Look to be self fulfilling.
@@gilbertjones9157 Is that why churches are being turned into mosques all over Europe?
The majority of new reverts are in the western countries.....which will only hasten the day when Islam will be the soul religion.
@@meltratics9138 Fine, who's bankrolling the building efforts, Locals? Those who join? We will be watching the exodus as more info come forward which fills the holes in the standard narrative. Be aware we in the west have no red line stopping us. That line came about soon after Baghdad fell to the Mongols and the Caliph was wrapped in a carpet for the horde to trample over.
@@gilbertjones9157 This is all pseudo history......Jay has been making outlandish claims for years now......and guess what? The spread of Islam in the west is only accelerating.
In a short few decades many European countries will be majority Muslim......all without a single shot being fired. Surely that is proof enough that we are upon the truth.
@jimmy Afrika There are a number of current Islamic scholars that see a different trend. Failure on the Uma's and Muslim scholars to put forward an apologetic response defending reasons to believe in their beliefs from their own scriptures will set up all to be overwhelmed by the information tsunami which will leave them like Port Royal underwater with no place to go. We all ready have heard Muslims admit that there are holes in the standard narrative.
Mmmm prophet Muhammad was a descendants of kedar later were Qedarite Kingdom, not Nebaioth who were their cousins
Jay is so blessed. Duahe uske sarpe.
لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله! 🤣🤣🤣
This all fits and makes sense. Great video.
would have been nice if you could add time stamps to your lovely videos.
I feel they are descendants of Moses from the Exodus. Herod's mom was Nabatean as well as Jesus, Mary, and John the Baptist. Essenes, Nazarene, Magdalen, Nabatean. All the same people.
Why do they put an islamic ad in the beginning? Smh
Now we have to tie in Mel from Sneaker's Corner's new findings of Mohammed being an Iraqi warlord. How, why and when did he move the show to Petra and the Nabateans?
@Safwan g Plenty! Is Iraq Islam's Cultural Birthplace As Well? th-cam.com/video/1p5cxhgjCEg/w-d-xo.html
I would like to know the commonality of the Assyrians and Nabateans, I have read that the Nabateans were Assyrianized to a certain degree under the Sargonid Dynasty in terms of using Imperial Aramaic (Assyrian unified language system), as a formal language and writing, customs, and the worship of Mesopotamian deities like Shamash, they even called Hatra in Imperial Aramaic as "Beta d' Elaha" which means "The House of God" in the 2nd century BC. What's interesting is Nabonidus, the last King of Babylon (556-539 BC) in his later years after leaving Babylon, made his official home in the town of Tayma which is in northern Arabia. King Nabonidus was also a monotheist, which is why the priesthood of Marduk in Babylon was not a fond of him, he was the worshiper of the god Sin, which was a moon god (House of the great light, aka Beta d' kaba'hal/kabira d' bahra in Imperial Aramaic).
cORRECT, the original Qureshi tribes of muhammad who conquered persia were a settlement of Assyrians
@@soheil527 any reference
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i dont think that is correct at all
1) Akkadians
2) Amorites(Amalekites/Hyksos/Imliq)
both were mixed with the Canaanites
3) Arami tribe Ad,sons of Aws/Uz conquered Iraq and Syria mixing with the Akkadians and Amorites making them Aws in origin
4)when actual tribe of Ad perished Prophet Hud pbuh was with the Arami tribe Thamud who are from him ,they lived from North Arabia to greater part of Syria mixing with the Assyrians, it was the Akkadians who are from Prophet Hud pbuh
5) when thamud went astray Prophet Saleh was sent to them and when they perished it was the Amorites who are from Prophet Saleh pbuh(the amorites are the original hebrews whether before Saleh or because of him not sure )
6) when actual tribe of thamud perished which sometime during the Assyrian Empire ,the Akkadians formed the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Nabateans who mixed /absorbed the Amorites (not sure if all)
7) also there is an element of Aphaxad
the Akkadians and Amorites (mixed with canaanites) are Aws and Athiri in origin with an element of Arphaxad
they mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Abraham pbuh
adnani arabs were not suring time of thamud who were same time as the Assyrians, Sargon the 2nd mentioned the Thamud . If that is the case how could Adnani Arabs exist during this time
@7:40 why would the Meccan surahs refer to people of ʿĀd whereas Medina surahs refer to people of Thamud and Midian? I thought people of ʿĀd are people predating Thamud and therefore the ʿĀd and Thamud people should have been referred at the Meccan surahs, no?
Hello, cool video..
Are these Nabateans same as Namboodri brahmins of Kerala, India of those days ? I have heard some people saying Muhammad's uncle use to chant / write SHIVA songs in sanskrit. I have also heard that one of the king of Kerala met Muhammad and became a direct disciple of Muhammad. Is there any research on these by the historians ?
Negating Islam does not directly prove the Christian theology though...
muhammad is from yordania
Too much lies on Islam.
Wow this Arab Is so open to criticism. Haven't seen any sheik like this. Usually most Arabs are closed they don't question Quran. They follow blindly. But this Arab looking guy is open to Jay. Is this a miracle happening in Arab world like arsbs being open to criticism.
Because he is arab not muslim........he is follower of lord christ
Nabatean expertise with cisterns: the story of Badr, where Muhammad and his men stopped up the wells and built a cistern like it was nothing.
U guys are pros. you did you homework pretty well
Edom is Esau not Ishmael.
There is a group of scientists in F which is researching the texts of the Coran to find out the real sources of the Coran and it historical connections. And they came up with some very intersting conclusions.
I hope they will publish. As more of the garlic is peeled the more the Qur'an has it's holes in the narrative be filled with concepts and connections that make sense. This makes the Muslim scholars turn faster than a dervish.
Prophet Jesus was black Ethiopian while prophet Mohammad was Arab born in hashmite faimly of Mecca
As it seems they where the most advanced civilization connected with all the known world
Mel has now withdrawn from Hira (Herat, Khorasan) down to Al-Hira (Iraq), if I got that right. and I also think, Mohamet was from the Tayyi2-tribe (as various non-moslem sources say, even in China!), but bc the earliest mosques are all facing Petra, there has meanwhile already been some "redaction" work done. By logic after or during the compilation ("collection") and translation of the quran into arabic. My guess is still, the quran has different layers of text. I mean not only mecca-medina. much more. and much more diverse.
Perhaps the tribes of Arabia have Nabatean ancestry. Just because Mohammad's tribe has a Nabatean connection doesn't mean he lived in the Petra area. He can still be Meccan. Islam's origins still could be from tge Mecca and Medina areas. Islam incorporated pre-Islamic culture and practices, including those further north from the Petra area.
This info I found says Mohammad's family came from Yemen
Muslims believe that Mohammed is a descendant of Ishmael. As proof of their position, Muslims refer to genealogies written around 770-775 A.D. by Ibn Ishak.
What he has written is simply not true. Ishmaelite tribes, especially the tribe of Nebaioth from which, according to Ibn Ishak, Mohammed is said to have come, were nomadic tribes who lived in the Sinai and Fertile Crescent deserts.
These tribes disappeared after the 7th century B.C.
Mohammed's family was a Himyarite Yemeni family, while the Ishmaelites, who lived in the deserts of the Fertile Crescent, became extinct many centuries before Mohammed's family left Yemen.
Just no
Ismael PBUH and Father were Arameans ( Chaldaeans) who are the Nabateans ,Ismael PBUH made a woman from Jurhum
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God bless...
The same people who are calling Jay and Al Fadi liars are the same ones that don’t even know as much as them or are the ones that are listening to liars themselves like Muhammad Hijab, Ijaz, Farid, Halal, Umer and more. In a debate when he was incorrect he admitted and kept going with his vids
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Muhammad P is the last messenger from the family of Abraham P better believe in him and get corrected otherwise you all will be losers in the day of judgement.. House of Abraham P is House of ISLAM House of Shalom and Salam
What about Iyas amongst Lakhmids in Iraq?
@Hamdam Radio That's the glove that covers the hand that gestures with the spoken words of the story teller in the Bazaar in Kuffu or was that Sura? Never mind the camels need water.
Gilbert Jones
Or maybe a wild buffalo 🐃 that wants to teach a camel 🐪 how to cross the desert 🌵!!
Is anyone aware of any similar video series that discusses the theories of Gibson from a purely historical and academic point of view? Not from a pro-Christian site or channel?
Not even one that pretends this bunk is strictly historical and academic.
They admit they want to damage Islam as a religious duty and try to find I for.ation to aid that goal.
Dan Gibson has no support from the academic world but is a hero in evangelical circles.
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Excuse me bro - just to be clearer
Ishmael’s God is not the God of the bible - “I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” Ex 3:6.
In fact Ishmael and Esau were unbelievers. Yahweh was not their God!
“And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father; Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.”Gen 28:8,9. Gen 21:10, 12,14
The Canaanites were idolaters. Ishmael and Esau worshipped cananite idols.
THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD PEACE BE UPON HIM IS LAST MESSENGER OF ALLAH
I'd take all this with a pinch of salt ... also "archeology" CAN lie
Yes, but not quite as flagrantly as Islamic apologists
@Humphrey Ramrekha shooosh ganesh