+oh! Jazz Duo/Ens. they sound like drums should sound unlike the ones that give that plastic stick sound... man how i hate that every single video with tags "marching snare drum" is about this shit :S
The first one sounds the best, although both the old ones sound great. Who came up with the bad idea that marching snares should sound like Formica table tops?
Sound projects better compared to the rope snares, plus it’s lighter, plus you can mount it easier, plus a million other things. I think modern snares sound DOPE.
@@benjiboy9907 I disagree I think the snare drums are using today sound like table tops horrible far from a real snare sound plus with the cores and bands are playing today very simple compared to what we played in Old Skool days we played all the rudiments including Swiss movements for exposure to era points today in my opinion it doing warm-ups for the entire show nothing difficult about that although their execution because of the simplicity of what that playing Play song clean
@@americanspirit8932 first off. The drums are tuned so high for a reason. They are designed to project. Unfortunately the old fashioned drums simply cannot project over a 150+ horn ensemble across a football stadium. In addition, if you think modern drum corps writing is “simple” watch Santa Clara Vanguards 2019 show for about one or two minutes and get back to me when you’re done.
The bigger the drum, the better the sound. The ultra-high tension tabletops like the yamaha are grating. The first rope drum actually sounds like a snare. That is my preference.
High tension marching snares are the standard for most marching bands today, and is better for and settings. I prefer the sound of the last one, the Yahama.
Some people say that the new drums ( 3:44 ) don't sound like "real" drums. After watching this video, I think it's safe to say that that It sounds the same as all the others, but with stronger, more tougher drum heads.
Definitively the first one sounds best to me. I have the Andante Scottish snare drum and it sounds "dry" more or less like the Yamaha. Thanks for sharing
The Andante is a different type of snare drum actually, it's called a pipe snare drum and the snares under both heads give it a crackle type sound. The tech is really interesting
It's not the tuning. All these later style early 1990s and later (floaters) sound like garbage. The older more relax drums and heads always sounded better, but we're so use to super cranked new stuff that it has become the norm.
Christian Graham you right but as for the style I was personally introduced too this is wrong but as you said it’s a personal preference 💯 I respect that
It needs to be a little higher. I know tuning is a preference but the point of kevlar marching heads is high tension and usually when they are that low its cause the person tuning it doesnt know what they are doing. Ive never heard a dci line or even college line with kevlars sound that low.
I have a 1958 slingerland 15 by 12 snare drum with real good for the snares sounds as good today as it did then one change I made was taking off the cats can head back then and put it in Remo heads on it fantastic drum beautiful again I had it since August of 1958 I paid $65 for it at that time I love it.
That Cooperman is the business! It's got hair on its...............snares! I wish more outfits marched with rope snare drums and that they sounded like the Copperman!
Hi, Tom! Your video inspired me to get my new favorite snare two months ago through Reverb, a beautiful 15 x 12 Slingerland in Blue Sparkle finish from 1965, and I cannot thank you enough for that. It is by far the best snare that I have ever played, and I have it tuned roughly halfway between the first two snares in your video. It still had the original resonant head on it when the drum arrived in the mail, but it now has an Evans UV1 batter, and a 300 Clear resonant. I use it both on its own when practicing rudiments, and as part of my drum set.
Glad to hear about your new drum, Raymond. TH-cam has been an endless source of inspiration for me. I only picked up drum sticks again in 2011 after 30 years. I reconnected with old friends and organized Robbins' Rebels drum line, collected lots of drums, took up dirt bike riding, and I'm now back into guitar (and buying lots of those, too). All thanks to the fun stuff I see on TH-cam, and the ability to shop on eBay, Amazon and Reverb! lol
Nice collection of drums and playing..30 year break? wow how long did it take to get your chops back. did it feel like starting over again or did you snap back fairly quickly?
Dill Pickle and personally I prefer the sound and feel using Remo Black max on top, given proper tuning as stated above; though those rope drums were amazing!
All the snare drums sound like snare drums, they're just for different paradigms of marching percussion. The drum corps style Yamaha Sforzando emphasizes crispness and articulation and is designed for fast, visceral parts. The older style rope drums are simply for power and projection that can be heard over gunfire. They all sound great imo
Yea really Is that supposed to be a joke but you can't tell because this guy does nothing but play snare and doesn't realize that people play the drums for very long periods of time besides doing chops on the snare all day long.
Hi Tom, Great stuff! Where did you get the "Larue" drum? Are they still manufactured. Really like the Cooperman as well, but something about that Larue really speaks to me....
Any advice on tuning a high tension snare with a Mylar batter? Should I use a Mylar bottom or can I use a Kevlar bottom? I've seen people like Jeff Queen use a Mylar batter with Kevlar bottom.
i personally use kevlar batters with kevlar sides and those sound beautiful on marching drums, but i have had to use mylar sides with kevlar batters and while the sound quality isnt as good in my opinion, the method of tuning isnt any different, just dont tune as high.
I play for 4 hours some days some days maybe only 2 or 1 if I'm busy. And the winner is number 3 The 1974 with the Ludwig dot head. The rest sound good but that's the best sound out of them all by far.
I thought the old drums would sound like drum kit snares in the other ones would sound like regular snares but no the old-fashioned snare drum sound great
Please send the TDR to the following address! Ha! We marched TDRs in 1980 with the Spirit of Atlanta. (silver dots as I remember) cranked to the max of course. Thanks for posting this.
@@Tom70s I remember David. Did you know Dale Powers? He marched snare with Blue Stars in 1978 and then marched Spirit in 1979. We were both in the Auburn University Drum line. Lots of drummers from Auburn marched D.C.I. (Blue Star, Phantom, Spirit, Blue Devils).Memories.
I've seen and heard different nations use these drums in different videos for their marching music but probably the most unique and strange sound in the history of these marching drums was pre-ww2 Germany. The Hitlerjugen played on these marching snares but it sounded more like a concert bass drum. My thing is how the heck does someone tune a snare like this into the sound of a concert bass drum tone? I will assume that tuning these snares are quite different than modern day snares.
Remember: "There's always room at the top". The higher the snare sound the better. Stays out of the way of the tonal/"real" instruments because it can always be heard without overplaying.
I like the deep sound I'm not partial to name brand in your face push the sale type drums,, you sound very good with your rudiments ,,very good sir!! you can make a nice snare out of any tom and they sound great too
Those rope drums sound SWEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!
+oh! Jazz Duo/Ens. they sound like drums should sound unlike the ones that give that plastic stick sound... man how i hate that every single video with tags "marching snare drum" is about this shit :S
oh! Jazz Duo/Ens. ya im black want to go to college for drumline snare for human jukebox snare line i wish theyed use thr red rope one
I liked the snare
nice and phat
@@jakubsabosz2933 no ewww can’t stand that low tone you can’t understand what’s being played crisp off the head
I like the first one best
Detector Boy same
yep
Saltfisher 14 same here
the most pleasing and basically a mini bass drum
Agreed
I want to be one of those guys that just gets to play around with like 10 snares
same here
Beautiful area to play in. Really nice sounding drums that second rope drum sounded killer.
my pick, as well.
That first drum is battle ready :)
I’m very partial towards newer marching snares but i gotta admit, those rope drums sound amazing
The second drum sounds so sick/ amazing
Sweet. Love the rope drums. More pure sounding
Wonderful playing! That first drum was beautiful sounding!!
Cooperman rocked it!
No wonder William "the Chief"
Ludwig II said that was the only drum he would ever pay
for!
Can't believe the high pitch that 17 incher produced!
The first one sounds the best, although both the old ones sound great. Who came up with the bad idea that marching snares should sound like Formica table tops?
Sound projects better compared to the rope snares, plus it’s lighter, plus you can mount it easier, plus a million other things. I think modern snares sound DOPE.
@@benjiboy9907 I disagree I think the snare drums are using today sound like table tops horrible far from a real snare sound plus with the cores and bands are playing today very simple compared to what we played in Old Skool days we played all the rudiments including Swiss movements for exposure to era points today in my opinion it doing warm-ups for the entire show nothing difficult about that although their execution because of the simplicity of what that playing Play song clean
@Xavier Stewart He means the modern pipe band snare drums that don’t sound like other snares at all.
@@americanspirit8932 first off. The drums are tuned so high for a reason. They are designed to project. Unfortunately the old fashioned drums simply cannot project over a 150+ horn ensemble across a football stadium. In addition, if you think modern drum corps writing is “simple” watch Santa Clara Vanguards 2019 show for about one or two minutes and get back to me when you’re done.
@@americanspirit8932 Thanks man I needed a laugh today
The bigger the drum, the better the sound. The ultra-high tension tabletops like the yamaha are grating. The first rope drum actually sounds like a snare. That is my preference.
Ryan Alexander Bloom agreed
Ryan Alexander Bloom ya a drum set snare
Terrence Wiggins facts
Ryan Alexander Bloom nowadays that would be considered a floor Tom with snares on the bottom
Ryan Alexander Bloom Im only 15 never really been around a while so my fav is the YAMAHA sforzando but the rope drums sound awesome
the first drum wins. where's the fifes ?
Yea really.
Get your musket the red coats are coming.
High tension marching snares are the standard for most marching bands today, and is better for and settings. I prefer the sound of the last one, the Yahama.
i agree that punch tho
@@elansleazebaganno right can’t stand a low pitched snare why because nobody can freaking understand what’s being played off the head
@@shadowballgaming351 high pitched ones are so shallow i don't like their sound. Low pitched one has a nice punch that motivates? you
Some people say that the new drums ( 3:44 ) don't sound like "real" drums. After watching this video, I think it's safe to say that that It sounds the same as all the others, but with stronger, more tougher drum heads.
Really cool comparison of different drums and sounds. I enjoyed that and your performance as well :-) Thanks. And a nice location to do that btw.
Thanks! My yard...
The second and third sound the best to me
TDR 100 silver dot sounds great.
Me too
Yeah I'd pick that one out of the bunch as well. Best blend of clarity and power.
Definitively the first one sounds best to me. I have the Andante Scottish snare drum and it sounds "dry" more or less like the Yamaha. Thanks for sharing
The Andante is a different type of snare drum actually, it's called a pipe snare drum and the snares under both heads give it a crackle type sound. The tech is really interesting
To be honest I didn't really like the tunning of the yamaha snare
Same
It's not the tuning. All these later style early 1990s and later (floaters) sound like garbage. The older more relax drums and heads always sounded better, but we're so use to super cranked new stuff that it has become the norm.
Idk it might be because I only know modern drum tuning
Imo, modern marching snares sound super dumb when its just one playing but in a full line, they're buttery smooth
and not so good with 3 or 4 either, but much nicer with 8 or 9, IMHO
I love the second rope drums tuning over the first one
The yamaha isn’t tuned right
No u
Christian Graham you right but as for the style I was personally introduced too this is wrong but as you said it’s a personal preference 💯 I respect that
It needs to be a little higher. I know tuning is a preference but the point of kevlar marching heads is high tension and usually when they are that low its cause the person tuning it doesnt know what they are doing. Ive never heard a dci line or even college line with kevlars sound that low.
Swaying away from the topic of how the drums sound to say: Nice rolls! They sound super good!
Your closing comments were funny
That was fun. Nice playing. Hit the like button as soon as I heard that first 7. 🎉
I have a 1958 slingerland 15 by 12 snare drum with real good for the snares sounds as good today as it did then one change I made was taking off the cats can head back then and put it in Remo heads on it fantastic drum beautiful again I had it since August of 1958 I paid $65 for it at that time I love it.
That Cooperman is the business! It's got hair on its...............snares! I wish more outfits marched with rope snare drums and that they sounded like the Copperman!
The West Point hellcats play on them and so do most Fife and Drum course today use old cooperman drums
Check out Loyal Drums. They took over making rope drums for Cooperman
1:50 love this sound 😊 thanks
awesome! love the old school to new school snare demonstration
I must say, great drumming! I have 2 mid 70's TDR 'S so you know my favorite. Old dudes playing old drums. bc
Very nice! You have amazing hands!!
Thanks!
Would this be a Side-by-side side drum comparison?
Hi, Tom! Your video inspired me to get my new favorite snare two months ago through Reverb, a beautiful 15 x 12 Slingerland in Blue Sparkle finish from 1965, and I cannot thank you enough for that. It is by far the best snare that I have ever played, and I have it tuned roughly halfway between the first two snares in your video. It still had the original resonant head on it when the drum arrived in the mail, but it now has an Evans UV1 batter, and a 300 Clear resonant. I use it both on its own when practicing rudiments, and as part of my drum set.
Glad to hear about your new drum, Raymond. TH-cam has been an endless source of inspiration for me. I only picked up drum sticks again in 2011 after 30 years. I reconnected with old friends and organized Robbins' Rebels drum line, collected lots of drums, took up dirt bike riding, and I'm now back into guitar (and buying lots of those, too). All thanks to the fun stuff I see on TH-cam, and the ability to shop on eBay, Amazon and Reverb! lol
Nice collection of drums and playing..30 year break? wow how long did it take to get your chops back. did it feel like starting over again or did you snap back fairly quickly?
that sfz could’ve sounded better with different tuning, too much too head and not enough snare response
Dill Pickle and personally I prefer the sound and feel using Remo Black max on top, given proper tuning as stated above; though those rope drums were amazing!
Yeah, head is great, but too much of it can start to be kinda uncomfortable.
That is my opinion also.
Opinions are like armpits everybody has at least two
The first one is very soothing sounding like a concert snare drum.
the good old days when snare drums actually sounded like snare drums
All the snare drums sound like snare drums, they're just for different paradigms of marching percussion. The drum corps style Yamaha Sforzando emphasizes crispness and articulation and is designed for fast, visceral parts. The older style rope drums are simply for power and projection that can be heard over gunfire. They all sound great imo
listen here *BUB* you weren’t alive back then *PAL*
The Yamaha doesn't sound like a snare drum to me imo 😂
@benjaminkip9143 straight up sounds like a table
The first 3 sound great! The Yamaha sounds like a practice pad, which is the sound they go for these days. By the way nice demo!
I like the 3rd one best
The smaller rope drum sounded incredible
why do I need to go to the doctor after playing
It's a Viagra joke lolol
theletteronehundred a month later I finally got it
theletteronehundred I don’t get it
Yea really
Is that supposed to be a joke but you can't tell because this guy does nothing but play snare and doesn't realize that people play the drums for very long periods of time besides doing chops on the snare all day long.
Maybe because you didn't get the joke....just sayin'..........
Great video. You have a great quality of sound btw.. Thanks for the vid
good drumming
Thanks!
I kinda wanna buy the third and second drums but I can't find them :(
www.cooperman.com/ for the rope drum. Slingerland TDR's and Ludwig Challengers can be found from time to time on eBay.
# 4 SOUNDS LIKE A CARDBOARD BOX AS DO MOST OF THE DRUM'S TODAY IN DCI & DCA.
FORMER MEMBER OF THE LONG ISLAND SUNRISES DRUM AND BUGLE CORPS.
The silver one is the best
Nice Connecticut Halftime!
Thanks!
I'd recommend tuning the batter side a little bit higher on the yamaha
The first 2 drums sound like concert snares
Ikr? They sound really good but newer marching snares are the real marching snares. They project insanely well compared to the rope drums
The first one is just amazing
Left hand👌👌👌
Alex Bonahue check me out on TH-cam channel at aza Roberson my real name is Asa Roberson
Asa Roberson ok
The first one all the way! That's the Drum.
I have a replica west point snare that looks just like that first one. I use it as a bedside table, and it brings a great vibe to my room.
Hi Tom, Great stuff! Where did you get the "Larue" drum? Are they still manufactured. Really like the Cooperman as well, but something about that Larue really speaks to me....
It's an eBay find from several years ago. It came from back East but not sure of its history.
Got you the 200th sub😛😉
Dudes got skills and good taste
thanks for that.
Cool!
The first rope drum. Wow!
those rope drums must have been tuned by GOD so good
The rope drums sound the best!!! I've never understood how those kevlar drums caught on. They sound bad!!!!
They straight up sound like a table when cranked up. This is why I prefer mylar, which actually sounds like a snare drum even when cranked up
What is the rhythm you play at @2:50 called? Some kind of flams and doubles?
Elkjær he says at the end its a little ditty written by some guy I don't know so
EpicMem you're everywhere lol
Kevin Donka...you should google him...he's dope.
nice collection of drums.
Ever single marching snare drummer just got humbled so hard
I prefer the last one; I like the tight, modern sound.
I’m glad marching drums have changed the way they did
Hello Tom. Can you tell for the first drum the model please ? Thanks
where can we get sheet music of that "little ditty" you played on each of the drums? (and very cool video, btw)
Donka Drums on Facebook. It is from the Blue Stars Alumni Corps on-the-field warm-up. I don't know if he has posted any music of it.
Real brutal metal drummers can watch what he's playing and then duplicate it that's how we would talk is it go without music
To be honest, i love the vintage drums waay more
Cause I’m a marching boy I have to go with the Yamaha
Thank god for pipe band snares. Without them i'd be playing one of these cardboard boxes. The two rope drums actually sounded really nice.
Nice , I think I would tune the bigger drum much lower to get the full affect of their depth
Wish the sound matched up to the playing. But good chops. I dig the the rope drums.
The modern marching snares can’t hold a candle to the old rope drums. The sound like a snare is supposed to sound.
Was side by side drum supposed to be a pun? Because I love it!
All the other drums sound AMAZING, but the sfz could be tuning way tighter. It just didnt sound like it wasn't tuned tight enough.
Dang nice chops
Any advice on tuning a high tension snare with a Mylar batter? Should I use a Mylar bottom or can I use a Kevlar bottom? I've seen people like Jeff Queen use a Mylar batter with Kevlar bottom.
i personally use kevlar batters with kevlar sides and those sound beautiful on marching drums, but i have had to use mylar sides with kevlar batters and while the sound quality isnt as good in my opinion, the method of tuning isnt any different, just dont tune as high.
Also after awhile I am getting drawn to the Rope drum
Correction those rope snares sound like concert snares but a very thin crisp tone
Nothing beats the rope side drums.
the yamaha sfz looks so clean
My school also uses Yamaha marching snare drum
This Kid here I don’t think anybody asked
I play for 4 hours some days some days maybe only 2 or 1 if I'm busy.
And the winner is number 3
The 1974 with the Ludwig dot head. The rest sound good but that's the best sound out of them all by far.
Frank Burdo Thankyou for your opinion
I thought the old drums would sound like drum kit snares in the other ones would sound like regular snares but no the old-fashioned snare drum sound great
wonderful tuning on all drums U kive the Slingerland and Cooperman the best but the hybrid heads do make a difference on video
Please send the TDR to the following address! Ha! We marched TDRs in 1980 with
the Spirit of Atlanta. (silver dots as I remember) cranked to the max of course.
Thanks for posting this.
David Snead was my roommate in summer of '79 Blue Stars.
@@Tom70s I remember David. Did you know Dale Powers? He marched
snare with Blue Stars in 1978 and then marched Spirit in 1979. We were
both in the Auburn University Drum line. Lots of drummers from Auburn
marched D.C.I. (Blue Star, Phantom, Spirit, Blue Devils).Memories.
I wanna see a battle of the first drum and the last drum
What was the brand of the Kevlar head on the Cooperman?
We have the kevlar heads made for us by REMO - we call them "The American Kevlar". They are available on our webstore.
Dont try what at home?
I like the 2nd snare Cooperman the best and this Man has clean chops.
Thx!
I've seen and heard different nations use these drums in different videos for their marching music but probably the most unique and strange sound in the history of these marching drums was pre-ww2 Germany.
The Hitlerjugen played on these marching snares but it sounded more like a concert bass drum. My thing is how the heck does someone tune a snare like this into the sound of a concert bass drum tone? I will assume that tuning these snares are quite different than modern day snares.
the drum has corona on it jesus christ
Nice demo Dave. How are you doing? Great channel, will pass on. Take care, Mike Klassen
In this case: the bigger - the better. Big marching snares have body and tone. Those small ones sounds thin, chocked and flat.
The neighbors 👁👃🏽👁
Remember: "There's always room at the top". The higher the snare sound the better. Stays out of the way of the tonal/"real" instruments because it can always be heard without overplaying.
Hi Sr., excellent comparison, have you ever thought doing a tutorial about tuning a vintage marching snare?
Someone tell me how many times he said “uhh”
My wish was going to be a drummer boy at a Napoleonic or a civil war reenactment:)
I like the deep sound I'm not partial to name brand in your face push the sale type drums,, you sound very good with your rudiments ,,very good sir!! you can make a nice snare out of any tom and they sound great too