@JJ Bonneville Rob Carson, Bob Kalkoffen, names from the ancient past. I used to watch Carson do three stroke rolls and was amazed. Charlie Poole? th-cam.com/video/VoTp6yj9nd4/w-d-xo.html My favorite old drum lines were Boston Crusaders, Cavaliers, and SCV.
@pearlsnaredrummer77 I remember Windsor Guardsmen had 5 toms and a shot drum. Ken Mazur had designed and built the racks for it but the corps never made it to DCI. I could be wrong on the DCI thing. It was like suddenly bam there they were and everyone had them
This is true. Drummers of the time used to be amazed at the beats per second that Keith Moon was able to accomplish. Nowadays, it's commonplace for drummer's to be able to accomplish such BPM's.
It's honestly shocking. I watched a video of Music city mystique's indoor show from 1998 and it's so boring. Insane how the boundaries have been pushed even in the last decade or two.
He is great. The flams though. Wow. The ghost note with the accent was almost perfect. Excellent timing and depth. I guess i will start over or quit :)
Rob is awesome. He's our percussion caption head at Impulse! drum corps this year. he's incredible. And he's turning our drumline into something awesome.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom Watch The Old Guard sometime. I never paid attention to them until I heard how good the drummers were. I saw them run down a long roll once in unison while marching. Madison tried that in 1971 maybe while playing Rally but gave up.
My band director had this video on VHS when I was in high school 30 years ago. I integrated some of Robs stick flashes that year and got the attention and comments from so many people.
This is just amazing!! Rob Carson was and will always be one of the greats! I had the honor of meeting him back in the summer of '87 when I was in the SCV pit. I was in complete awe, and I probably made a fool of myself!
Bro... it was the technique they used at the time? Its not hate its hiw they played. We play with more wrist now instead of arm. Like? Do you drum or are you just bsing?
Very cool. I remember watching SCV back in HS and their drum line was awesome. We are now in our final year as Spirit of Atlanta parents...and it's been a GREAT thing to be back involved with the activity.
He is very calm in nature and speach. Amazing timing. Wow those flams. Time to start over for me, or give up. I am inspired to go back to the basics and learn stick controll. I thought i was above average. I learned with this video to be humble and lot to learn. Thanks for the upload :)
Didn't you hear what he said about it? That it's a lot harder to learn traditional? It's also lot much more visually appealing. Also, whenever he plays by himself he plays traditional.
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any modern drummer worth their salt should incorporate everything to the craft. Who know's who these people are with criticism..is it even legit?
In all reality the only reason that we still use traditional is because it looks cool... the original purpose of traditional grip was for field drums... they were on slings and were sideways, physically you can play faster and cleaner using matched and if someone knows any other reason fill me in
@@yaboimichael4707 I always noticed that there's a slight sound difference with the left hand compared to the right because of the trajectory the stick takes to hit the drum. That's all I got 🤷🏾♂️
I remember watching this in the early 80's with one of my instructors who marched with Rob. We watched it in the corder of a gym at one of our weekend camps! I later saw Rob at a drum clinic when he was supposedly out of shape, and he was AMAZING!
Rob Carson was a 3-time national snare champion. Besides the two listed above (DCI 1973 & 1978) he also won All American in 1972, and was the youngest national snare winner ever.
@Dalton Hayden: I don't if they were called this at the time.. but, I know them as the Pro-Mark DC-10. I'm wanting to say they were Rob Carson's signature stick, and they may be discontinued.
technology has enabled us to use heads and snares that will produce a more focused sound and more volume. the snares didn't sound like table tops, but now that they do, a group of snares that plays tightly together is so much more clear.
I TOTALLY agree! They were a lot heavier also. It drives me crazy seeing how high today's lines raise their sticks. 2 inches from the head was the standard rule and it was difficult to get the hang of initially, but it looks so much cleaner.
Rob was throwing down licks on a shitty black dot head, wire strainer and 20 lb. oak snare drum which btw was slung! Rob is a god to all who appreciate what he's done for our approach and appreciation for drum corps and rudimentary drumming. Rob if you see this I want to thank you for the hideously large fulcrum muscle that I've had for 30 years! Lol
I love drumming it is my favorite thing to do. My high school band is shrinking and I'm in a front ensemble with only 2 members. It really makes me sad because band is the best thing that has ever happened to me!
Loved it. Thank you. I know production and the integration of many diverse percussion instruments into the music and arrangements make it necessary for a large mass of percussion to be set up along the front of the field but I remember when I came to watching DCI Championships back in the 70's there was nothing like seeing all the percussion on the field and moving in formation. Was just amazing to see and to feel that intensity as the instruments would come together and then move apart. I have such respect for all aspects of DCI and the players, dancers, color guard etc. Each performance is like a Broadway play on a football field stage. Never had the opportunity to physically be involved in DCI my experience and career went in a different direction but was very fortunate to have had the opportunity a few times to experience the performance of DCI Corps. Always moving and very inspiring. Kudos to all of you that are involved. Thank you for the music and the show!
Big thanks for sharing this. I had the opportunity to learn a bit from him when he taught Velvet Knights ('82 ??). He was intense, funny and the chops we mind-blowing. I feel very lucky to have experienced that.
Wow......just wow. I'm a sophomore in high school and I've been playing since 6th grade and I thought I was good. This man right here beats me by a mile....no some light years. This is inspiration for me to get so much better. And ohhhhh those sweet sweet single strokes....so amazing
I see that this comment is seven years old but I can totally relate. I thought that I was hot shit. Then I started taking private lessons. My teacher makes me look like a complete fool and I'm glad to have him teach me.
I remember watching my drum instructor go up against Rob in State I&E 1971. I saw 4 players a BD Sr D&B snare who's name I forgot, My instructor Terry Shalberg but before him was some guy from Royalaires who I think was Scott Johnson. I was supposed to play 3 camps but I never got registered and was only 9 so I didn't do a solo.
ProMark still makes the DC-10 model but they are much different than the original ones designed by Rob Carson. The current model is much fatter with a very different feel. There were some different wood options back then as well. Nothing beats the original. ;-)
gbrhythm Can't say I ever got into the tipless DC-10s, or any ProMark marching stick for that matter, but a lot of other competitive lines in my area loved them. My favorite matched grip stick was the Regal Corps 662. They were always pitch-matched and straight with a soft feel, especially on tight Marathons or first-gen Falams. However, the Vic Firth Hardimon nylon tip was a revolution, IMHO.
Thanks for sharing this , we never had the opportunity to learn this style when I was younger. No drum corps in this area. Luckily Iistened to Jazz which incorporates some of these techniques. :)
I march with bells in my High School for showcase parades. Once I polish it up, I will most likely compete with them if the piece has a bells part. So yeah, it exists :).
He should have switched to match grip. He was tilting his torso to get his left hand down close to the head of the drum. I don't think the traditional grip was ever intended for use on a level drum head.
dlwatib it's a salute to traditional military drummers in colonial times and it looks cooler than matched. And certain stick tricks can only be done with traditional grip. Thus, it is most drumline's preferred grip
You are correct. The traditional grip was created to facilitate play on a drum in a slanted position. On a horizontally positioned drum it is misplaced and leads to distortion of posture, just like you pointed out.
Look up Bobby Rea from Northern Ireland twice world solo drumming champion (pipe band drumming) another Robert ! And an outstanding drummer just like Rob no one could keep up with him .....look at some of his drum scores now non TH-cam....serious stuff foo
For some reason I can't reply to everybody on these comments! (??) Anyway, to the guy talking about DC-10's. Yeah, that was a long time ago man. We marched with them back in the early '80s. They even have a tipped version and a bigger one called the DC-17! I don't think any DCI corps use DC-10/17 anymore. Could be mistaken.
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The joke is i never used drugs.
Lol
So you just get nervous before a tv camera and...uh...forget what you are gonna say? Thats heavy man. They used to say heavy ,yes?
@JJ Bonneville Rob Carson, Bob Kalkoffen, names from the ancient past. I used to watch Carson do three stroke rolls and was amazed. Charlie Poole?
th-cam.com/video/VoTp6yj9nd4/w-d-xo.html
My favorite old drum lines were Boston Crusaders, Cavaliers, and SCV.
@JJ Bonneville cool , love to be able to talk to him one day, is he around anywhere
Rob taught me at Black Knights in 2000 and 2001. Still have quite a few pairs of the DC-10s you gave us.
OMG those tenors were HUGE!!! Like playing 4 floor toms
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There were actually bigger ones than those id you can imagine.
Those are called tri-toms, they aren't tenors
@pearlsnaredrummer77 I remember Windsor Guardsmen had 5 toms and a shot drum. Ken Mazur had designed and built the racks for it but the corps never made it to DCI. I could be wrong on the DCI thing. It was like suddenly bam there they were and everyone had them
@pearlsnaredrummer77 our nicknames for those were triple bass
Amazing how far drum and bugle corps have come
This is true. Drummers of the time used to be amazed at the beats per second that Keith Moon was able to accomplish. Nowadays, it's commonplace for drummer's to be able to accomplish such BPM's.
It's honestly shocking. I watched a video of Music city mystique's indoor show from 1998 and it's so boring. Insane how the boundaries have been pushed even in the last decade or two.
I know, especially in terms of hairstyles
@pearlsnaredrummer77 yeah nothing hits like an old fashioned dci show with emphasis on music and marching rather than props
@pearlsnaredrummer77 so true I hope a top 12 corp will go back to old dci next year but I dont forsee that happening
Jesus how high was he
Read deep into the comments, and Rob himself answers that question. :-)
John Preston I found it, worth it
Killrbunnii ok so having him as staff for our drum corp this year he told us that even though he looked high he wasn't
John Preston I found it. It took a while but I found it
@@DouglasStevens0521 i cant find it
rob is my technique teacher at musicians institute and the guy is unreal. funny as hell too.
Isn't he amazing?! Ask him about the time he brought everybody (on the VK line in '82) a Snickers Bar! No, really!
I guess I went to M.I. in the wrong years(back in 1997) , Those guys are amazing!(Not that the instructors weren't good then too.)
The best rudimental snare drummer of all time. When Rob was in his prime, no one could keep up! Exceptional !!
This is just pure gold! His flams are absolutely perfect. A true legend!
Not as fast as people now but yeah
@@Prankpokephase2 not everything is about speed lmao
@@Prankpokephase2he’s faster than most master players I see nowadays. Rob Carson is a legend
LOL that close up on the paradiddles.
Right? Lol I was like, "wtf? Haha"
He is great. The flams though. Wow. The ghost note with the accent was almost perfect. Excellent timing and depth. I guess i will start over or quit :)
Rob is awesome. He's our percussion caption head at Impulse! drum corps this year. he's incredible. And he's turning our drumline into something awesome.
5:17 that's quite a close-up
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Even I learned something from this video and I marched Drum Corps for a very long time!
Had the pleasure of studying with him in a micro practice room at Music City.
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Not sure if Drumming, or propeller plane startup
Eren's Lost Arm 2013 Madison Scouts 93 SCV Miss Saigon...
I am stoked I found this! I went to school with Rob in Santa Clara. What an incurably talented drummer! Absolutely amazing!
Those Uniforms are classy as hell.
@pearlsnaredrummer77 huh?
I hate some of the new fruity ones
I think in the old days the unis were really class, with spats and the whole nine.
He was my instructor at Musician's Institute in 2004. One of the most amazing human beings on the planet.
Marching band from class of 81. Still miss it! No internet, facebook, cell phones, etc. Just the best times with friends and family!
Rob Carson was my technique teacher at MI. The man is a monster.
Those heads were really popular in the mid-to late 70's. They had an amazing sound, still do they're just not as popular.
+Will Gayner Remo Controlled Sound heads, very commonly known as John Bonham's most used heads.
They can’t withstand the tensions of today’s drums. I would like to see a modern corps march vintage gear sometime. Just for the fun of it.
JJ Bonneville oh yeah. Just really flip the paradigm on its head. Take a risk.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom Watch The Old Guard sometime. I never paid attention to them until I heard how good the drummers were. I saw them run down a long roll once in unison while marching. Madison tried that in 1971 maybe while playing Rally but gave up.
Rob Carson was my instructor in 1982... VK drum & bugle corps.
Note the "pinky tuck" on the left hand. Not a lot of people do that anymore.
Frank Crow Yeah! That's how my brother taught me traditional grip and then got it beat out of me while trying to march in the mid 90's.
No way! Rob Carson was my technique teacher at MI. Crazy to see him this young. He's still a beast of a player
These guys are prominently featured in the 1979 Slingerland drum catalog. Those 12-lug TDR Slingy snares were the very best.
Ah yes. 1970's snare drum heads. My favorite O__0
Thank God there are people who preserve and share mini-documentary videos like this one.
Tightest flams I've ever heard.
My band director had this video on VHS when I was in high school 30 years ago. I integrated some of Robs stick flashes that year and got the attention and comments from so many people.
Just shows not that much has changed. Same rudiments. Honestly, a lot of kids these days still don't have chops like this. Rob was legend!
My drum instructor when I attended MI. Not only a great drummer but the man has so much knowledge. It was always awesome being able to pick his brain.
Ahhh, the elusive DC-10 sticks. still have a few pairs from when Rob taught me in 2000-01
JJ Bonneville too weak? Lol. He just gave us all a few pairs just to have them. Have the regular and even some nylon tips of DC-10s.
@@jayseven6089 I would love to purchase some nylon tip ones from you. Been looking for them for years.
This is just amazing!! Rob Carson was and will always be one of the greats! I had the honor of meeting him back in the summer of '87 when I was in the SCV pit. I was in complete awe, and I probably made a fool of myself!
That snare drummer is incredible, great chops, very clean and precise
One of the world's most inspiring person and teacher I have ever met. Not only one of the greatest player in the world
I remember meeting this guy back in 2016 at an impulse camp and everyone was kinda laughing about how old school his teachings were
I like the way the snare drum sound back then
7:05 THE RATAMACUE
sounds like Napoleon Dynamite
"But my lips hurt real bad"
OH MY GOD SO MUCH ARM
eLectronica He uses less than you ever will
What.
I'm just saying don't talk shit if you can't do better
Bro... it was the technique they used at the time? Its not hate its hiw they played. We play with more wrist now instead of arm. Like? Do you drum or are you just bsing?
eLectronica Sorry I didn't know and yes I play tenors
Very cool. I remember watching SCV back in HS and their drum line was awesome. We are now in our final year as Spirit of Atlanta parents...and it's been a GREAT thing to be back involved with the activity.
Hearing a good long roll never gets old..
He is very calm in nature and speach. Amazing timing. Wow those flams. Time to start over for me, or give up. I am inspired to go back to the basics and learn stick controll. I thought i was above average. I learned with this video to be humble and lot to learn. Thanks for the upload :)
My friend from NJ marched with Rob Carson snare line, Tom Brown who marched with BSGK.
So, why does 70's SCV receive praise while any line today receives criticism for using matched grip?
Especially when they were on a sling compared to a harness back then. There's actually no need for traditional nowadays.
Didn't you hear what he said about it? That it's a lot harder to learn traditional? It's also lot much more visually appealing. Also, whenever he plays by himself he plays traditional.
any modern drummer worth their salt should incorporate everything to the craft. Who know's who these people are with criticism..is it even legit?
In all reality the only reason that we still use traditional is because it looks cool... the original purpose of traditional grip was for field drums... they were on slings and were sideways, physically you can play faster and cleaner using matched and if someone knows any other reason fill me in
@@yaboimichael4707 I always noticed that there's a slight sound difference with the left hand compared to the right because of the trajectory the stick takes to hit the drum. That's all I got 🤷🏾♂️
I got hold of the book that had the casette tape of Mr. Carson's drumming in the eighties, it was very inspirational.
Just marvelous.... much kudos....
This is badass! Thanks for getting it online!
I remember watching this in the early 80's with one of my instructors who marched with Rob.
We watched it in the corder of a gym at one of our weekend camps! I later saw Rob at a drum clinic when he was supposedly out of shape, and he was AMAZING!
This was a great video. Time to drum!
Rob Carson was a 3-time national snare champion. Besides the two listed above (DCI 1973 & 1978) he also won All American in 1972, and was the youngest national snare winner ever.
inspiring. he was so young, and very much ahead of his time
@Dalton Hayden: I don't if they were called this at the time.. but, I know them as the Pro-Mark DC-10. I'm wanting to say they were Rob Carson's signature stick, and they may be discontinued.
i've been searching for this vid for over 15 years now. thanks for uploading
Miss this so much. When marching snares had depth and did not sound like table tops.
15" snare drums were the thing in the late 70's so naturally have more depth darker sound timbre,
and Kevlar heads sound like ass on a shell that big
technology has enabled us to use heads and snares that will produce a more focused sound and more volume.
the snares didn't sound like table tops, but now that they do, a group of snares that plays tightly together is so much more clear.
listen to his overtone.... thats something you don't deal with anymore..
I TOTALLY agree! They were a lot heavier also. It drives me crazy seeing how high today's lines raise their sticks. 2 inches from the head was the standard rule and it was difficult to get the hang of initially, but it looks so much cleaner.
Rob was throwing down licks on a shitty black dot head, wire strainer and 20 lb. oak snare drum which btw was slung! Rob is a god to all who appreciate what he's done for our approach and appreciation for drum corps and rudimentary drumming. Rob if you see this I want to thank you for the hideously large fulcrum muscle that I've had for 30 years! Lol
I love drumming it is my favorite thing to do. My high school band is shrinking and I'm in a front ensemble with only 2 members. It really makes me sad because band is the best thing that has ever happened to me!
Loved it. Thank you. I know production and the integration of many diverse percussion instruments into the music and arrangements make it necessary for a large mass of percussion to be set up along the front of the field but I remember when I came to watching DCI Championships back in the 70's there was nothing like seeing all the percussion on the field and moving in formation. Was just amazing to see and to feel that intensity as the instruments would come together and then move apart. I have such respect for all aspects of DCI and the players, dancers, color guard etc. Each performance is like a Broadway play on a football field stage. Never had the opportunity to physically be involved in DCI my experience and career went in a different direction but was very fortunate to have had the opportunity a few times to experience the performance of DCI Corps. Always moving and very inspiring. Kudos to all of you that are involved. Thank you for the music and the show!
those tenors though...
I WAS HONOR TO STUDY UNDER THIS MAN. ROB CARSON
I used to like Rob. I still do, but I use to too!
Now this is Classic Rob. Wow!
Great vintage video, but if I'm not mistaken that park is a disc golf course now. LMAO
Big thanks for sharing this. I had the opportunity to learn a bit from him when he taught Velvet Knights ('82 ??). He was intense, funny and the chops we mind-blowing. I feel very lucky to have experienced that.
ZXRDR I feel lucky because he's teaching at my corps this year. he's the current percussion caption head for impulse. and I'm on the battery.
shoutout to my old friend Wade Taylor who used to watch this video all the time. miss you dude.
Great snare drummer.
Insane chops!!
love this! awesome vid
old school
Somehow I get the feeling this is all the drum lessone one will ever need.
Wow......just wow. I'm a sophomore in high school and I've been playing since 6th grade and I thought I was good. This man right here beats me by a mile....no some light years. This is inspiration for me to get so much better. And ohhhhh those sweet sweet single strokes....so amazing
I see that this comment is seven years old but I can totally relate. I thought that I was hot shit. Then I started taking private lessons. My teacher makes me look like a complete fool and I'm glad to have him teach me.
I cant with the marching timpanis and the clear marching snare heads 😭 AND THOSE TENORS
I play brass and this video somehow entranced me.
those sticks seem very different from today's, anyways, wow that was great video!! glad I clicked on it!
I remember watching my drum instructor go up against Rob in State I&E 1971. I saw 4 players a BD Sr D&B snare who's name I forgot, My instructor Terry Shalberg but before him was some guy from Royalaires who I think was Scott Johnson. I was supposed to play 3 camps but I never got registered and was only 9 so I didn't do a solo.
Phenominal playing my friend!!! great video/footage:)
Cool stuff for real!!! Cool to see how drumming has evolved in the past few decades!
But 6:36 those are tap drags....
I guess it's just a funny way of notating it. With grace notes instead of diddles. Maybe diddle sweren't invented yet? :O lol
YES!! It was!! I studied with him at his house in the valley for 10 years.
Back then, there we so little rudiments, now we have an endless combination
This makes me so miss marching band! I was never this good but “we” tired
It’s like he’s making music on just a drum.
I have a pair of Pro Mark DC-10s His signature stick. Biggest stick I've ever used.
ProMark still makes the DC-10 model but they are much different than the original ones designed by Rob Carson. The current model is much fatter with a very different feel. There were some different wood options back then as well. Nothing beats the original. ;-)
gbrhythm Can't say I ever got into the tipless DC-10s, or any ProMark marching stick for that matter, but a lot of other competitive lines in my area loved them. My favorite matched grip stick was the Regal Corps 662. They were always pitch-matched and straight with a soft feel, especially on tight Marathons or first-gen Falams. However, the Vic Firth Hardimon nylon tip was a revolution, IMHO.
Thanks for sharing bro.
Damn he's good!
Thanks for sharing this , we never had the opportunity to learn this style when I was younger. No drum corps in this area. Luckily Iistened to Jazz which incorporates some of these techniques. :)
9:40 keyword Scott Johnsson's I&E solo.
what a beast
I'm not a percusionist.. so I can't appreciate percussion sections and stuff. but man do I love his playing.
Are they marching xylos?
Back then, they had marching xylophone, and bells. (thank god that the marimba wasn't marched... lol)
Back then if they didnt carry stuff for contest they were disqualified
Noah Weibel they did use small marimbas and even vibes for marching.
I march with bells in my High School for showcase parades. Once I polish it up, I will most likely compete with them if the piece has a bells part. So yeah, it exists :).
They used to have marching timpani players... Most of them with back problems xD
Notice the angle reduction bars and leg rest. Still used today but not in DCI.
Sad that my fav is not there, tap roll. Makes a magnificient ending.
I'm going to contact old drum teacher via Facebook again so that I can get to this guy's level on snare drum....
He should have switched to match grip. He was tilting his torso to get his left hand down close to the head of the drum. I don't think the traditional grip was ever intended for use on a level drum head.
dlwatib it's a salute to traditional military drummers in colonial times and it looks cooler than matched. And certain stick tricks can only be done with traditional grip. Thus, it is most drumline's preferred grip
You are correct. The traditional grip was created to facilitate play on a drum in a slanted position. On a horizontally positioned drum it is misplaced and leads to distortion of posture, just like you pointed out.
We had some of the best drummers,guitarists and martial artist's in the 70's era,I mean the best in the world,this guy is one of em.
I played DC10s and mylar heads in 1990 in high school, but the corps I was in briefly used kevlar Falam heads.
Wow...Fantastico!!!!
wow, he's really good, esp for back then
paul rogers - Got a newsflash for ya, kid - drummers have been really good for a really long time. 😎
6 time DCI I & E Snare Champion, so yeah!
Beautiful
"Keep your grace note down!!"- Dennis DeLucia
Those tri toms look heavyyyyy!!
AAHHHHHH! THOSE SINGLES!(slowly during inside)
Look up Bobby Rea from Northern Ireland twice world solo drumming champion (pipe band drumming) another Robert ! And an outstanding drummer just like Rob no one could keep up with him .....look at some of his drum scores now non TH-cam....serious stuff foo
They were toasted all summer back then
For some reason I can't reply to everybody on these comments! (??) Anyway, to the guy talking about DC-10's. Yeah, that was a long time ago man. We marched with them back in the early '80s. They even have a tipped version and a bigger one called the DC-17! I don't think any DCI corps use DC-10/17 anymore. Could be mistaken.
Man damn those tenors were freaking huge lol
14 16 18 was common at that time