Lightroom Classic vs Capture One, 2024 Update Battle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ย. 2023
- UPDATE: It was point out to me that you can batch AI Mask inside of CP1. I detail this in a new video:
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Welcome to episode 86 of PhotoKitchen, where we pit Lightroom Classic against Capture One with their latest round of updates and feature enhancements.
Has one application done enough to cause you to switch sides? Has one done too little to keep you business? Let's find out!
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i switched back to lightroom classic after using capture one for a couple of years because of the ai masking. I miss the cop wireless tether and sessions and brightness slider, and now their ai selection is tempting me back. So thanks for this video. I think I'll just stick with lightroom for awhile since I pay for it anyway with my photoshop subscription. I can do wireless tethering with the sony imaging edge app but it takes some fiddling to get it going.
Thanks for watching! I agree with you about the power of AI from Adobe. I think CP1 has caught up a bit, but we need to be able to combine masks to really make CP1 work well.
Thank you for the video. For me it would've been more useful to use the same images in both applications to see how well the masks working and how the end results differ in kind of sharpness and colors...
Thank you for watching. I didn't want to get a super deep detail on those features, as I wanted to cover the differences in broad strokes, but I will take the advice and get something like that for you in the future. Hope you tune in.
The raw rendering is better in C1, especially in skin colors. With C1 I get good flesh tone easily, whereas in LR I go to the cmyk curves and adjust the colors.
Thank you for watching.
With c1 subject mask both images need to be selected, (have edit all selected, I had to input on the customization quick tab), then click subject, and use the quick keybinds, it will apply to both images. Or you can fully edit one image with background + subject, then just create a preset style. If a group of images are very similar, I've cut down the time editing images by 80%. I do have a folder of my presets of Subject + background commands.
Thanks for watching.
Smart Styles in Capture One allows you to batch edit as many people images as you want, correcting light and color balance in all kind of different lighting conditions. And you can, contrary to what you say, have a different mask in every layer.
Thank you, I did a follow up video on how I was wrong about the masking feature, but I am still frustrated by the extra steps in CP1 to do batch editing compared to LRC. Not to mention the lack of masking combination in a single layer.
Thanks for the comparison, agree C1 is still early release and will for sure get more functionalities later on. You can btw sync edit using AI mask on several images by saving it as a style and applying the style to the other images it will re-calculate the AI mask and apply the edits ...
Yes, I found out about styles and multiple image selection after the fact. I did a follow up video on this on why I jumped to that conclusion, but you are right about the styles, I really missed the mark on that. I will try better moving forward.
CapOne needs to lower its price to be more competitive. No geotagging either this is a must. When Adobe added the AI masking features I left CapOne and have not returned. The point color is a welcome addition although not as flexible as CapOne. And I agree all editing features should be available in masking mode.
You are the first person I have met that requested Geotagging as a feature in CP1, but you are right, they need to add that as well. Thank you for watching.
I bought it on Black Friday for half the price. It’s a steal compared to Adobe pricing.
I've tried both apps in the past few days, and AI noise removing in Lightroom blows my mind, way better than Capture One in my opinion.
The AI from Adobe is fantastic to be sure.
Thanks for this. Great info, always looking for LR alternatives.
Glad it was helpful!
Man, I love you for this contribution. You really struck a chord with me. - At about 6:09, oh yes. I'm asking them since years to natively support .afphoto and get the same lame excuses since 7 or so years. No .gif, no .psb (at least at the last version I started to skipped C1 updates that was like so), many more formats missing. The only tool showing all files on the disk is Bridge, even if it does not generate previews for other formats such as .afphoto. At least Bridge is a DAM avoiding loss of other files in the folder and it needs no database (that has pros and cons). I subscribed 🙌
I think CP1 has a serious customer service issue. One thing I noticed in talking with them is that their initial response to any critical feedback is not, "oh thank you for pointing that out, that is interesting feedback", but rather, "you are not doing it right".
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@@PhotoKitchen425 YT deletes my reply, I have no clue why. Sent you a message by Instagram
I am maybe misunderstanding the problem, but you can use cmd+left click to select multiple images and then run the subject or background AI on those multiple images at the same time. And, as mentioned already you can combine this with a style to apply editing plus AI subject selection across multiple images.
Thank you for the information. I will update the video.
@@PhotoKitchen425 C1 seems to have a never ending list of things to discover 🙂
Good point @@grahamsmith7938 , but what is odd is that you can globally create a mask, but right after you make the mask, you can make any global adjustments to it. So you have three images selected, then Select Subject, and you get masks, But then you change the exposure, and it only happens to one image.
@@PhotoKitchen425 However, if you have three images selected and the "edit selected" icon active (so you edit all selected images) you can edit all the selected images with the speed editing keys. Speed edit keys have become one the best reasons to use C1 !
Tether in Lightroom I think is a problem on Mac overall, I have tested on a M1 Pro 14 inch MacBook Pro and a 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro with both Nikon and Canon and for the most part they won't work, but as soon as I try on a Windows Laptop the cameras connect right away.
Thank you for watching.
Good video; I subscribed to your channel. However, while the AI masking in Lightroom Classic works very well in general and when creating a mask underneath a mask, the same can be achieved in capturing one, too. You need to create a new adjustment layer and do whatever you want by choosing one of the possibilities: linear-gradient, circular gradient, AI, etc. If you need one more re-touching, add another adjustment layer. The previous masks won't be affected, and the effect will add up. (although a good photo shouldn't need any -or almost any - post-editing, as we all know).
I prefer to capture one for the workflow, the compact interface, which is easy to navigate, organizing photos, and the metadata editing panel (I don't do any tethering, being just an amateur photographer).
Thank you for watching!
What do you think about "Photo Grade"? Excellent video btw....
Thank you for watching.
So, I’m hoping you or your followers can answer this. Why can’t I tether my camera?
I’m using Capture One Pro and it keeps on crashing when I plug my camera in. I was able to tether with MacBook Pro M2 pro but when I downgraded to MacBook Pro M3 pro, my camera cannot even be recognize by CP1
What camera make and model? Do you have you PC Remote turned on? Is the version of CP1 the same on both computers?
@@PhotoKitchen425 what’s the remote? I didn’t know about that. I’m using a Leica SL2-s. I was able to tether before even on my tablet and phone. The new update on the laptop did some freaky stuff now my C1 keeps on crashing when trying to tether.
@@PhotoKitchen425 but it wasn’t just one camera. I thought I just need to update one but I also tried my b-cam it’s doing the same problem. It’s a Lumix G9
I'm just working with both, evaluating which one I'll stay with. I like the way C1 renders the RAWs (I'm Sony and Fuji user), default processing brings les noisy and more detailed outcome from C1. On the other hand, LR , together with Photoshop makes a good work and BTW good deal, compared to the cost of C1. AI denoising in LR works great...but stil the picture processing I find better in C1. The biggest downside of C1, for me as Mac user, is how slow it works compared to LR. Looks like C1 is not utilising correctly the potential of new Apple hardware, you can see it immediately playing with the sliders. LR is like light speed compared to C1. All in all, I don't know which one to choose for the future :)
Thank you for watching!
I'm shooting a Canon R3 and R5 and I'm so frustrated with the reliability of their tethering in lightroom (sometimes it works, sometimes it works for a while, sometimes not at all, sometimes the work around works and sometimes not even that. It practically requires a designated half-hour before the shoot feeling the pressure hoping that tethering will work and stay working all the way through the shoot). I'm trying to learn the library and sorting system on capture one simply to have a reliable solution for my corporate headshot work. I've wasted SO MUCH time trying to solve tethering on Lightroom. Get your act together Adobe!
Ps, thank you for this video.
Thank you for watching.
Linear profile looks better in C1. Export tool is way better in C1. Levels is an amazing tool LR lacks of. Raw rendition in C1 is better than LR's. Separate modules is great in C1. Integrates awfully with some third party plugins. Styles with masks in a separate layer is great.
LR has way better mask options. LR renders quicker than C1. Color rendition difference has been highly reduced between both. The cost of Lr subscription with PS is way cheaper than C1's.
Thanks for sharing!
Bit of a major goof not knowing about C1 custom styles and AI mask generation.
Indeed, but I just posted a video explaining my goof. Thank you for watching.
I wish there were more real competitors for LR. LR is just really good at a lot of area's (specially speed), but is in a desperate need of UI updates like the rest of the Adobe software has.
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This needs a revisit now that capture one will copy ai masks without having to make a preset
Thank you for watching. I did do a follow up video about that very thing! th-cam.com/video/87A4kWG0B0I/w-d-xo.html
I used a Sony camera recently and wished lrc accepted arw files
I use Lightroom Classic and it does accept .ARW files. Do you have a newer camera or and older version of LRC that needs to be updated?
I had to stop the vid at just 3:50. It seems that you want the developers to make LR more complicated than it is. I like it just fine and will continue to use if as it fits my needs just fine. Also, I shoot in studio tethered into LR and have zero issues with it in that regard. I shoot with Nikon bodies with no issues at all. Perhaps your issues with tethering are specific to your camera body. Who knows. I'll just keep clicking away on my Nikon DSLRs happily and contently.
Thanks for watching!
The absolute abysmal file structure Lightroom is working with will forever keep me from Lightroom. I absolutely hate how the catalogs work, and until they make something like C1 session I can never go back to LR. Also how slow LR has always been with creating previews and all that jazz is not good enough. I do however wish C1 would get somehting like the Calibrate tool that LR has, it just does something that I cannot really don in C1 the same way.
Thank you for watching. I don't might the catalog feature in LRC, but I understand your point about preview build time. You wonder why a company like Adobe can't improve that, while a small company like Photo Mechanic can.
@@PhotoKitchen425 I get how people can like the catalogue feature, and having a system in the catalog. But the fact that they dont have a session based feature like C1, without an enourmous amount of hassle, is annoying. At least let us choose
I agree @@Aleksanderespelid
@@Aleksanderespelid I used to be on the same page as you, but I got tired of using Capture One as some features became clunky to use. I did like the sessions, but I went back to Lightroom.
The added AI masks really speed up development in Lightroom and I figured out how to use the Lightroom catalog pretty well, it's mostly in knowing how to set up and use keywords.
Now when I Import sessions, I rename the files, add keywords, and go through the process of rating the images. The smart collection feature can be used to set up collections, and now it's streamlined for me to update my portfolio collections automatically. The set up is there and it's automatic while I'm doing the actual work instead of having to go back later and reorganize everything.
Capture One just didn't seem to work well in certain aspects but maybe once they make updates I'll take a look again
Number 1 thing Lightroom should do immediately that's so embarrassing that it doesn't exist, is to let us use the whole functionality when creating a mask. Why don't I have access to all the tools when editing a mask??? Are you even serious?
I agree totally. But I think these are features are coming. And that is not code, I have no clue, but I can't imagine that Adobe can't include these features in the next release.
@@PhotoKitchen425 Maybe. But what makes you so sure? This is something they should /could have done from the first release that contained masks, and yet, so many years down the road and we still have limited tools for masks
Adobe’s lack of tethering support is ABYSMAL. NO excuse
I couldn't agree more.
Dude, get over yourself, software, like any other thing is an evolving process. No kuddos to you either for this BS video. This doesn't qualify as "comparison" video, more of a "you don't like LR" video. And that's OK, but don't try to make us think this is a comparison video. I use both of these, in addition to ON1 and they are all pretty fast. As far as tethering, I don't see ANY difference in speed between LR and C1. I guess you must have a crappy machine, but anywho, to each their own opinion.
Thank you for watching.