THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE REESE HAS DONE SOMETHING BETTER THAN CLARKS TRIPLE DOUBLE, SHE WILL HAVE MORE TOO IF HER TEAM KEEPS PLAYING LIKE THEY DID AGAINST LIBERTY BUT YOU NEVER KNOW ABOUT THEM FROM ONE GAME TO ANOTHER, OR WHAT SIDES WILL DO TO LOSE A GAME.
@@TheMeefive So what though if they are in a row or not? The whole "double double streak" with rebounds on a post players, is not a big deal at all. Nobody ever talks about it because nobody cares. There are already 130 double doubles with rebounds, and only 19 with assists. Any "argument" for Reese being ROTY falls flat on it's face by every single metric.
They will do their best to promote the 30 game double double streak and ignore that Clark will finish ahead of Reese in literally every other statistic that isn't rebounds.
We shall see my friend but remember both of their strenghts. ... one is 3 pointers the other is rebounding ... it is what it is so if u want to make a case on doung the best at their craft its clearly #angelreese 13 straight dbl dbls being double and triple teamed? ...
Not according to these stats Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
@@jamesblackburn6505 It is not really the 3 pointer (you should know by now), it is her playmaking. You ever wonder why they pick up caitlin from 94 feet and blitz/double team, or trap her? To beat the Fever, all they had to do is guard caitlin well
@@RussellStrosnider Are you predicting a 30 game double double streak for Angel Reese? She’s at 13 now. If she reaches 30, she would be undeniable. The one statistic that no one will catch Caitlin Clark is turnovers. It’s reaching historical levels.
No Russell- U forgot Angel (& ALL the other players lead Cc in LESS TURNOVERS- very important to wins... & I dont think many people bought the excuse - to blame her teammates for DELIBERATELY missing them.
So, did she have this opinion last year with Aliyah Boston? They had fewer wins and was no where close to where they are today! Great arguments against the stupidity that the ESPN media is putting out there!
Great point. She was probably jumping up and down with pom poms to announce her pick for Boston as Rookie of the Year (well deserved by AB, obviously).
I just posted my comment not 5 seconds ago U-t008. Where did it go? I’ll try again, this time copying it. Monica is on Di$neeees payroll [they own ESPN]. She has to have the woke/DeeEeeAye agenda at the forefront.
@@JaySpeakers I tried to reply but the censors have me on “shadow all his comments” if I say anything of substance that challenges their narrative at 1984 headquarters [U--- t0ob].
@@JaySpeakers but you’re wrong. I’ll try and repost my blistering comment taking out McNuts and others. I’ll have to rework all the words so the alg0 rithm don’t flag it for “we dont like those truths on the platform”.
What a bunch of bs. Bias isn’t even the word for this. CC’s team was the worst and just beat the best. What she’s done for her team alone is nothing short of magical. She’s a prodigy and phenomenon. She’s transforming the WMBA and increasing its visibility by massive percentages. She’s breaking rookie and regular records. Sports are not politics, but this is clearly a hive mind immune response to the fact that she is blowing the WNBA up and the vets are JEALOUS. So much so that they refuse to put her on the Olympic team. The pettiness is real. Women snapping at the hand that feeds them like it’s a unwanted growth. Sad to see tribalism over objectivity.
The strange woke culture for lack of better term has taken over so many things. They are treating her differently because she is white. I'll say it. How do they pick players? A commission board or what? They need to be watched. But hey when so many people go along with so much insanity. here is a little more. I expect nothing less of people now.
She's ONLY helping the Fever because her fans ONLY watch her, The other teams only get 2 home games out of 40 against the Fever. So much for increased visibility. Explain how in the world Aliyah Boston (13.5 ppg. 8.4 rebpg) got more Allstar votes than A'ja Wilson (26.9ppg, 11 rpg)
Double double with points and rebound,, what is the league season record so far? There are 129 double doubles with points and assists. What about triple doubles record? There are only 3 recorded triple doubles this season and 1 of which is made by Caitlin Clark. Speaking of double doubles with points and ASSISTS? There are 19 recorded so far this season and 4 of which was made by Caitlin Clark. I think the debate as to who is the ROTY is a no-brainer. You have highlighted the important aspects of Caitlin Clark, specially she is performing her amazing stats while being face-guarded and double/triple teamed. I believe the more relevant discussion should be whether Caitlin Clark is now a contender for the MVP.
Frist Rookie triple Double. Fastest Rookie WNBA player to record 300 career points, 150 rebounds and 150 steals. ( i can't see Reese Double-double🤣CC more blocks and Assist than Reese 🤣) No player in WNBA history has averaged those numbers (16/7/5) in a season, and Clark is achieving this as a rookie. Caitlin Clark now stands alone as the rookie with the most point-assist double-doubles in WNBA history - surpassing all-time great basketball superstar Sue Bird. With just 22 games played. She can fill your empty 20k arena's too. 🤣
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
"She can fill your empty stadiums" Aces vs Mercury 17406 fans in the T Mobile Arena when Caitlin was in college. Filling arenas of the 7 unpopular teams for 2 home games out of 40 does very little to their bottom line. They're still losing money.
100% AGREE WITH YOUR TAKE ON THIS. I hope the media is listening to your take. It is chaos right now and the media loves controversy. For me, CC is the ROTY.
Shes the only player in the league double teamed every game if not tripple teamed. Exept against phoenix cause they thought she wasnt up to it but she was with a W.
This lady AR is NOT defended in anyway, some players allow her to score easily with no defense, but you see 2 or 3 players at the same time defending CC, there is something fishy here.
CC averages 6 Turnovers a game. That's about 1 Turnover for every 10 minutes. Reese doesn't even handle the ball and she gets almost 3 Turnovers a game. Angel almost had a triple-double against Seattle, she only needed 10 more assists. CC is ROTY.
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
Russel Westbrook had highest TOs when he won ROTY. All time TO records are Magic and LeBron - ball handlers get To's. IF you're getting your team points - it's not the metric greatness is measured by. Only CC gets this scrutiny.
Much safer to throw the ball from the wnba logo than to receive a pass on the post and get hit hard by women bigger and heavier than you. Let's be real the target is reese at the post and not the petite flopper at the 3 point line
@@garygomez4297 stupidity at it finest here. Reese is a fine post player, but she wasn’t the best player at LSU and she’s not the best player for the Sky.
The Sky loss their whole roster after last season, including finals MVP Kahleah Coloer, only 3 players returned. So I can’t even compare their roster last season, imagine if they still had Copper at least they would compete for a championship. Tell all the facts before u talk nonsense. Indiana has 3 All Stars compared to the Sky who only have one.
Unfortunate but true! She their great yt white hype. Reese could have 20 double doubles and avg 17 points a game and Clark could avg 20 turnovers and they'd still give Clark the trophy. She yt
CC's game is now multitasking unlike what it was in college. She's more of a facilitator, yet integrating her college game into the professional level, which means way more, teamball. Let's not forget how much she has to do, when taking on the defense almost full court. Day in day out, her game is more of a challenge, than what Angel Reese has to compete with. It's all there in the statistics.
She is having a historic season that you are not being told about. Catilin is averaging 16, 6, 7+.. Points, rebound, assists per game. No rookie has ever average that for a season ever in the WNBA. Its so good you have to go to the NBA for a comp. Magic Johnson and Oscar Roberson are the only rookies ever to do that and nobody in the WNBA. As a matter of fact, I don't think and 2nd or 3rd year player in the WNBA has ever done that. But we dont know how historic this season is because of the woke azz media and people like mcstuid, baynut dont know how to do their job. How is a layman like myself able to compile and honest, objective analysis and these clowns cant.
Aint no way ANYONE in sports media is going to allow CC to be ROY, no way, no how! CC could triple dub every single remaining game and she aint going to win it!
CC is the ROTY, being the Court General is so hard, bringing the ball down, passing, scoring, and being face guarded all the time, rebounding is a plus, CC is an all around player which no rookie have done on their first 22 games in WNBA. With just 22 games, you can definitely see how CC deserve to be the ROTY, she made an impact to her team within 22 games, the worst team before CC, look at them now, the team beat the no.1 team.
They are1-3 against the Liberty Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
Last I checked ROY is given out after the season is over. Be real, the Fever looked like a JV team the first 10 games or so but have improved vastly over the past month and coincidentally so have CC’s numbers. I have a feeling the Angel v CC debate will look quite different in the 2nd half. Talk to me when the regular season is over
Angel Reese- Open Court threat - No Perimeter shooting threat - No Three point threat - No Assist threat - No Draws double team- No In the paint threat - Yes Offensive Rebounds - %42.6 (League average on Centers %21.3) Basically the Sky suck at shooting if she is that high in rebounds. I love fans who have never actually played the game. Angel will improve once she focuses more on reading the court, assist, and shooting the ball. And yes, some of us actually played TopGun Division II Streetball for 12 years, up to and including teams like AND1. We know when a player has skill and when a player is hype.
AR is a post player just waiting for the ball to get in her hand. CC is an all around player-assists, rebounds, logo 3s shots. AR is not doubled or tripled team while CC is being guarded from the other side of the court. Yet still she was able to achieve a triple-double against a #1 team in the W (#22 jersey, born 01-22-02, 22nd game, July 22, 2024). Who is the better and fun to watch player?
"Since when has the Rookie of the Year been decided by how well a team has done"...well I'll point you to #4 pick Scottie Barnes and #1 pick Cade Cunningham. Both had very similar stat lines but Scottie massively improved Toronto record while the Pistons were still a bottom team. Wemby literally had no equal. On the side however yes Caitlin is leading the league in points created..she also has played 1-3 more games than any other team.
Wemby the NBA ROTY also had the 3rd most turnovers in the NBA this season, and the most turnovers of ANY rookie! And Wemby is a center and not a high volume passer/PG.
This discussion of Angel over Caitlin for ROTY is just like the people talking up Chet Holmgren half way through the season vs Wemby. It was simply to create parity and close horserace that just doesn't match up to the eye test in reality. Caitlin Clark is rewriting the entire WNBA narrative, filling arenas, and bringing new eyes to the league. Fortunately Wemby stepped it up the latter half of the season and left the rest of the rookies in his dust. Since the Olympic snub, Caitin has been putting up even better numbers than earlier in the season and her efforts to include her teammates have started paying off and hopefully this ROTY race will be more blatantly obvious by the end of the season to all of the voters.
@@chhansen9813 Wow... haha. We were at the Father's Day game in Indianapolis and I love seeing such talented young players and so many passionate fans. It's a shame that it seems so difficult to just be respectful of one-another while competing. For a rare example of that kind of sportsmanship.. look up Notre Dame quarterback Sam Hartman when he waited after the game to make sure the opposing quarterback, Riley Leonard, was okay after getting injured on the field. I really believe that level of respect is one of the reasons why Riley Leonard transferred to Notre Dame for this coming year!!
The parity creation part for the ROTY for the women is moot ... for now. Both whether you and I like it or not, both women have set or broken WNBA rookie records in their own right. And if you're honest, had there been no CC vs Reese matchup two seasons ago ("can you see me now?" hand gesture and all) with LSU taking the ring and then ANOTHER matchup a year later between the two, we would not be talking about CC the way we are now. There's no shine on Batman without a Joker. No Superman without a Lex Luther. And whether we like it or not, that is the Ying and Yang of these two women right now. And special mention to their draft class too. As a collective, they've changed the face of the WNBA.
@@VanIyke Exactly, well said. CC and Reese are both breaking records and picking their production up, in winning efforts. You can't go wrong with either or, at this juncture. For people to constantly dismiss Reese, as if she hasn't been putting up all around numbers, is beyond me.
Rachel Thank You! It’s rare for the media to give an unbiased review lately. They are both doing great. However, numbers don’t lie. I hope the ROTY ends up being awarded based on basketball and not favoritism.
Me too Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
@@TheMeefive Just wait a few more month. Shy will be where they are to day. CC can elevate the team as they play better together and work out the mistakes.
No matter what the WNBA and ESPN says the ROTY will be determined from Vegas. That's how it's always determined if be it mvp etc... As of now Caitlin is -700 to win ROTY and Reese is only +350.
Reese's record is one no rookie or any players has done: it is the very first time a 12 double doubles in a single season and the first time 13 double doubles in a season: not just a rookie record, its a league record also.
Your dumb CC broke a rookie record Reese broke a WNBA league record. Now tell me which one more impressive. Now if CC break the triple doubles in a year record as a rookie that's comparable. smh
@@claudehosch4706 Don’t forget. Angel’s got four records now, including the two, for rookie and WNBA double-doubles. Reese also has the records for both rookie and all WNBA players for the first to score after a double-Dribble, and then a follow up double-Dribble, with a carry. That’s a record for most uncalled violations in a row, single possession. Tell me the WNBA doesn’t have an agenda for Angel that they have the refs enforce.
In Reese's 13 straight double-doubles her team is 5-8 -- in Clark's triple-double, and all of her near triple doubles, her team is undefeated. One of them is stat padding, and the other is making her teammates better. What's the definition of a great player again? Oh, right. Someone who makes their teammates better. Can you be rookie of the year, if you aren't a great player?
I get your having to ask the question, but the answer is clear and it isn’t really even close. You’ve got it right looking at the points scored and assisted on. Reese doesn’t have the ball in her hands a fraction of the time that Clark does - a true point guard who touches the ball first whether off the rebound or out of the net.
If you're to go off the standings, Reese and the Chicago Sky are at 8th currently, the same as last year. Clark and the Fever are at 7th, 10th last year. Clark has moved the needle, Reese has not.
Monica McNutt is making a case of which of the two rookies impact their team the most. How do you measure 2 rookies who play totally different positions on the court, but statistically are killing it in their respective role? Clearly you would have to go with the player impactful enough to get their team to the playoffs. This isn't rocket science guys. You guys are totally basing your opinions on popularity, but Rookie of the year isn't about popularity. Caitlin could easily win ROTY all she has to do is keep doing what she is doing, WIN games!
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
It's tiring seeing ppl trying to use a double double stat for giving her the roty. Like let's be forreal. It's just annoying. Everyone sees what is going on. Ppl don't want to admit it though.
How about these facts. Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
@@TheMeefivethey will ignore your facts/ advanced stats and rather pick and choose what to say about Reese just like Rachel Demita in this video. I wasn't going to comment but I see you and respect what you doing... These ppl are lost in the sauce... How are rookie records more meaningful than league-wide records ?! Its baffling to me....
Ranking - Points - CC=16th / AR=22, Field Goals - AR=25th / CC=26th, 3 Pointers - CC = 6th / AR= 92nd, Free Throws - AR=6th / CC=11th, Rebounds - AR=1st / CC= 19th, Assist - CC=2nd / AR=54, Steals - AR=12th / CC=17th, Blocks - CC=16th / AR=42nd, Turnovers (bad=1, good=100, also hurts other stats) CC=1st / AR=76th....... so if CC didn't have a high TO rate , she would be beating AR, but the high TO makes it a toss up (some stats are weighted more heavily than others, Rebounds, Assist, Points and Turnovers have the heaviest weight)
Why is no one (media) talking about the actual criteria that goes into making the Rookie of the year selection? I for one would appreciate an unbiased, unemotional opinion. Thank you.
CC: WNBA History: First rookie to record a triple-double...EVER WNBA History: Fastest rookie to record 350+ points, 150+ assists and 120+ rebounds (while she's being double and triple teamed the entire game every game) and AR: how many of her double double stats have relied on her missing her own layups, getting her own rebound, and putting it back in ??? Its like statistical double dipping ....................
@@chuckturdburger4612 Bruh she a rookie how are you talking about she going to be the GOAT LOL. Yep, you lost your whole mind. Just a reminder you can root for CC without have to talk bad about AR. She impressive to and she is doing better than anyone expected also.
@@DogMentalitySportsTalkWithChri There have been 996 rookies in the WNBA since 1997. Only 1 has ever put up a triple-double. And 1/3 of her turnovers are because her teammates couldn't catch. Notice how its gone down by 50% over the last 1/2 of games
"first ROOKIE.. fastest ROOKIE .. when are you ppl going take your heads outta your asses.. you are praising Clark accomplishments compared to rookies .. Reese is being compared to All players regardless of season for her accomplishments... There is a serious difference that needs to be explained
Same bullshit the pundits have been saying from day one. The CC hate is real. Reece is a very good player. Clark is a generational talent who makes her teammates better. No contest.
Exactly, she lost respect from me when she said most of CC turnovers are CC teammated. She just made excuses for CC. So I'm not surprised she chose CC.
@@draystewart4283 Hey can't knock the hustly... they all chasing engagement lol part of a good assist is knowing how each teammate likes to be passed the ball.... but no I'm not falling for the rage bait lol
Reese needs CC to be relevant. CC needs no one. Also, the media is dramatically over hyping double doubles... Most of CC turnovers come from her teammates not having hands. A lot of Reese's rebounds are from missed layups...... Reeses FG% is garbage for her position.. It's not even close
True Enough, it is kinda silly, but hey the WNBA needs all the HELP that they can get! It's nice watching the young rookie's. I'm not so interested in watching the jaded veterans. That would be like watching a bunch of bitchy women who have been married for 20 years!!! My wife was such a nice person when she was 25, but 20 years later she changed A LOT! Not really a fun person to be around anymore. LOL
2 years from now, the league will have been remade in Caitlin's image, the NBA grift era will be over and people will have forgotten that Reese was a thing
Many of CC's give aways have been passes to her teammates they couldn't handle. Now they are. Amazing how none of these media don't understand getting your own rebound is not very impressive. The only stat that Reese has over CC is rebounds, that's it.
@DogMentalitySportsTalkWithChri Did I say all?? No I did not. By what you are saying she gave the ball away and missed on Points and assists. But with all those give aways she still better than Reese. Thanks for the laughs though 🤣🤣
@@kennethsonia5350 CC just got a triple double on Saturday and if you can believe it or not she actually got rebounds. How can anybody say getting rebounds are not impressive but then turn around and congratulate somebody on getting a record where rebounds are apart of it? The triple double not impressive because who cares about rebounds see how dumb that sounds? Leading the league in rebounds as rookie is impressive on any level. Clearly you don't know nothing about basketball. You can root for CC without having to try to tear AR down. Do better
Reese is really good but no CC. 70% of those turnovers to her teammates were touched by 1 hand or 2 hands. If you can touch that ball you better catch and shoot. I watched CC in the NCCA tournament and she loves to run and gun if she gets doubled teamed during a game she will feed it. Head coach should have found that out in her film. Also, her block shot Stat is better than Reese. Stats just don't lie. Her coach even said after liberty game her players are now catching up with the way she passes up court. I've never watched that much WNBA but I'm surprised Nike and the NBA Commisioner has not walked in that WNBA COMMISIONER and told her enough crap on her treatment or go find your own money. As of now for next year there ADV Marketing funds are up to 240 million for next year revenue. That's 4 times than ever and it's not because of Reese. Never seen so much hate to young lady that's helping Vet players possibly getting more funds but they could be the next Bud Light and loose everything ADV TV funds and Nike, Wilson, do not pay this money out for the fun of it. IMO.
The real reason why the WNBA authorities excluded CC from the national team and serious consideration as the Rookie of the Year is because by doing so, they would be acknowledging their own incompetence and ineffectiveness in letting the WNBA be what it was before CC came along - a game league losing $10M a year, which almost nobody watches with very little national awareness. Almost single-handedly CC has increased awareness of the WNBA in the US and abroad, increased attendance and income to unprecedented levels, and brought the quality of WNBA to its highest level than ever before. That is why these pathetic WNBA authorities continuously snub CC, do not punish hard fouls appropriately and show extremen unawareness of the Caitlin Clark effect on the WNBA. Shame on them! They should be replaced with more responsive and responsible personalities.
Anyone who has listened to the way CC speaks about her outlook in life would probably believe that CC is just not all that interested in being roty. She's said time and time again that her main focus in life right now is playing the very best bball she can, and improving her team's playing. Period. I also feel that she will be the first person to congratulate whoever DOES eventually wins roty. I wish I felt as confident that Angel would do the same. But who knows? Caitlin may or may not deserve the award, but I don't think that she cares one way or the other.
The real issue is just like the rest of the league, the people covering the WNBA were also not being watched and so I think they got used to being able to say whatever dumb thing and no one cared. Funny. I've heard Skip say the same thing about Clark that every other commentator said; "she's known for her 3's but her skill is in passing" and then promptly forgets it.
Never understood why media will never bring up those numbers and the facts but will glaze on the double double 😂😂😂.ESPN is mediocre if it was Charles Barkley he would told straight CC and will bring up the facts of the list what she accomplished
Should the media bring up these stats too? Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
It's clear and obvious that Caitlin Clark should be rookie of the year! Team standings have nothing to do with it, but individual performance does! Clark does it all, scoring, passing, assists, play making, you name it! Reese for the most part just scores layups and many times she even misses those, and she grabs rebounds because her place is in the low post where you get most of those rebounds and double doubles just aren't that impressive but since the league's very beginning, no rookie has had a triple double until Caitlin Clark came along! Who should be crowned rookie of the year? The answer is a no brainer!
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
We don't care about no dam double double. Does she even play defense? where are her block shots ? CC is a way better player. And doing much better, that's my ROTY.
I love how they say CC turns the ball over. Well maybe if her teammates could catch the ball. I could like Angel Reese if she didn't act like a damn thug. It just makes her unwatchable for me.
True on both points. Pete Maravich had the same problem. He was so exceptional that his teammates couldn't catch his quick passes from all directions. Reese is a jealous, cheap shot thug and no role model for children!
This story is already written. With only 60 sportswriters having a vote and them being part of the media in general, there is zero doubt that Angel Reese will win ROTY, no matter how well CC does in the 2nd half of the season or even if they win a few playoff games. And when this happens, the attendance and viewership will be right back to where it was last year.
@@preyeyinkore7238 It's Woke NBA even tho both are but basketball is a shit sport until Caitlin Clark. So yeah 1000% it didn't matter to me before Caitlin. The dumb decisions by the WNBA it won't matter long either way ;)
For me, yes. I watched a few WNBA games back when it first started as there were a few ladies from a university near me that made it. Watched for maybe 10 games and haven't watched a single game since, until this year. This year I have tried watching a few games that were not Fever but just never got into them. I could see myself eventually liking to watch Aces, Liberty, and Jewell Lloyd.
Why are people even discussing this non event? Caitlin is the obvious choice. Player Of The Year last season? Wilson. Plays with how many Olympians? Skip, wake up. She runs the team. She is a great assisted. Great free throw shooter. Who had more blocks? Whats her name or Caitlin? Caitlin. Since the brutal 11 games in 19 days, Indiana has a winning record. Truthfully , these people need to go away
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
Can people stop lying on the fever. They was not the worst team in the league last year. The (Mercury) was. The Storm was the 2nd worst then the Fever came in a cool 3rd worst team.
As of now there have been 129 point/ rebound double doubles. 19 assist/points double double in which Clark has 4 in her last 5 games. Then there have been 3 triple doubles. Clark has a much better effective shooting percentage by almost 10 percentage points. Clark is the best point guard in the league. Reese is not the best power forward in the league. The fever are much better this year while the sky is worse. Clark is leading in the points scored and assisted. It really isn’t close. Clark gets guarded harder than anyone in the history of the wnba. Clark is much better. It’s not really that close. I see both Reese and Clark having a better second half of the season. I think the Fever will end with a considerable better record than the Sky. The Fever are going to be a real problem for other teams very soon.
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
It's so refreshing to hear an intelligent assessment of the facts, dismissing the inane suggestion by McNutt that ROTY should be based on team standing. The level of absurdity inherent in that statement is baffling. Most of us would agree that Skip Bayless is an absolute embarrassment as a sports commentator, so he has very little credibility with sports fans. Saying that Reese deserves to be in contention for ROTY, over CC, is as spectacularly stupid as putting Dennis Rodman in the same category as Michael Jordan - how insane is that!!
Not so fast lol Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
Did you watch the first Storm Sky game? The Storm have a very good interior but they let yeah they let Angel break the record. The fix is in and it was obvious when you watch the Storm against them.
Wow, this lady knows what’s she is talking about, the media is the problem here. They for some reason can’t stand to see CC succeed, which is so awesome for the game.
Caitlin Clark is the first rookie in WNBA history to record 350 PTS • 100 REB • 150 AST. AND a Triple Double
A triple-triple and a triple double!!!
Cap... She was the fastest to 350, 100 and 150 ast not first
@@DogMentalitySportsTalkWithChri ok. You get that’s a record right ? Bird did it in 26 games I think. Clark did it in 21.
wasnt the previous record before they added 3 pointers
@@dhe777 but she's white so meh whatever. That's where we are now. Weirdo woke world 2024
There are over 400 double doubles per year in the WNBA.
There have been 31 triple doubles in 28 years
Reese is the ONLY player in the history of the WNBA to record 12 consecutive double doubles so it can't be that easy
And nobody is watching Reese highlights vs Clark’s highlights be fr yall
Bro 400 a year vs 31 in 28 years. What’s harder?
THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE REESE HAS DONE SOMETHING BETTER THAN CLARKS TRIPLE DOUBLE, SHE WILL HAVE MORE TOO IF HER TEAM KEEPS PLAYING LIKE THEY DID AGAINST LIBERTY BUT YOU NEVER KNOW ABOUT THEM FROM ONE GAME TO ANOTHER, OR WHAT SIDES WILL DO TO LOSE A GAME.
@@TheMeefive So what though if they are in a row or not? The whole "double double streak" with rebounds on a post players, is not a big deal at all. Nobody ever talks about it because nobody cares. There are already 130 double doubles with rebounds, and only 19 with assists. Any "argument" for Reese being ROTY falls flat on it's face by every single metric.
They will do their best to promote the 30 game double double streak and ignore that Clark will finish ahead of Reese in literally every other statistic that isn't rebounds.
We shall see my friend but remember both of their strenghts. ... one is 3 pointers the other is rebounding ... it is what it is so if u want to make a case on doung the best at their craft its clearly #angelreese 13 straight dbl dbls being double and triple teamed? ...
Not according to these stats
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
@@jamesblackburn6505 It is not really the 3 pointer (you should know by now), it is her playmaking. You ever wonder why they pick up caitlin from 94 feet and blitz/double team, or trap her? To beat the Fever, all they had to do is guard caitlin well
@@RussellStrosnider Are you predicting a 30 game double double streak for Angel Reese? She’s at 13 now. If she reaches 30, she would be undeniable.
The one statistic that no one will catch Caitlin Clark is turnovers. It’s reaching historical levels.
No Russell- U forgot Angel (& ALL the other players lead Cc in LESS TURNOVERS- very important to wins... & I dont think many people bought the excuse - to blame her teammates for DELIBERATELY missing them.
So, did she have this opinion last year with Aliyah Boston? They had fewer wins and was no where close to where they are today! Great arguments against the stupidity that the ESPN media is putting out there!
Great point. She was probably jumping up and down with pom poms to announce her pick for Boston as Rookie of the Year (well deserved by AB, obviously).
@@coleenmeissner5979 Boston had zero competition with the award last year. There's the difference.
CAITLIN ROOKIE OF THE YEAR . Not even close.
@krabba_7 they don't understand. They just want to be outrage
Only shows how ignorant Mcbutt is. 😂
monica’s take was mcnuts
@@alwaysbeenbrand
was that nice lol
I just posted my comment not 5 seconds ago U-t008. Where did it go? I’ll try again, this time copying it. Monica is on Di$neeees payroll [they own ESPN]. She has to have the woke/DeeEeeAye agenda at the forefront.
Only basketball novice would think that and you’re one
@@JaySpeakers I tried to reply but the censors have me on “shadow all his comments” if I say anything of substance that challenges their narrative at 1984 headquarters [U--- t0ob].
@@JaySpeakers but you’re wrong. I’ll try and repost my blistering comment taking out McNuts and others. I’ll have to rework all the words so the alg0 rithm don’t flag it for “we dont like those truths on the platform”.
What a bunch of bs. Bias isn’t even the word for this. CC’s team was the worst and just beat the best. What she’s done for her team alone is nothing short of magical.
She’s a prodigy and phenomenon. She’s transforming the WMBA and increasing its visibility by massive percentages. She’s breaking rookie and regular records. Sports are not politics, but this is clearly a hive mind immune response to the fact that she is blowing the WNBA up and the vets are JEALOUS. So much so that they refuse to put her on the Olympic team. The pettiness is real. Women snapping at the hand that feeds them like it’s a unwanted growth. Sad to see tribalism over objectivity.
You are exactly right!!
The strange woke culture for lack of better term has taken over so many things. They are treating her differently because she is white. I'll say it. How do they pick players? A commission board or what? They need to be watched. But hey when so many people go along with so much insanity. here is a little more. I expect nothing less of people now.
She's ONLY helping the Fever because her fans ONLY watch her, The other teams only get 2 home games out of 40 against the Fever. So much for increased visibility. Explain how in the world Aliyah Boston (13.5 ppg. 8.4 rebpg) got more Allstar votes than A'ja Wilson (26.9ppg, 11 rpg)
The Aces are the best bunk the record
Sky defeated the NY liberty in their first game as well. It is too early to make any choice.
Double double with points and rebound,, what is the league season record so far? There are 129 double doubles with points and assists. What about triple doubles record? There are only 3 recorded triple doubles this season and 1 of which is made by Caitlin Clark. Speaking of double doubles with points and ASSISTS? There are 19 recorded so far this season and 4 of which was made by Caitlin Clark. I think the debate as to who is the ROTY is a no-brainer. You have highlighted the important aspects of Caitlin Clark, specially she is performing her amazing stats while being face-guarded and double/triple teamed. I believe the more relevant discussion should be whether Caitlin Clark is now a contender for the MVP.
Caitlin Clark for ROTY!!!
There have been over 4,100 double doubles in WNBA history. There have been only 35 triple doubles in WNBA history. Do I need to say more?
Not consecutive…duh
And not a consecutive 12, then 13 in one season by one rookie.(of anyone else).
@@claudehosch4706 now 14
Frist Rookie triple Double.
Fastest Rookie WNBA player to record 300 career points, 150 rebounds and 150 steals. ( i can't see Reese Double-double🤣CC more blocks and Assist than Reese 🤣)
No player in WNBA history has averaged those numbers (16/7/5) in a season, and Clark is achieving this as a rookie.
Caitlin Clark now stands alone as the rookie with the most point-assist double-doubles in WNBA history - surpassing all-time great basketball superstar Sue Bird.
With just 22 games played. She can fill your empty 20k arena's too. 🤣
She still want win RODY dummy 😂
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
"She can fill your empty stadiums" Aces vs Mercury 17406 fans in the T Mobile Arena when Caitlin was in college.
Filling arenas of the 7 unpopular teams for 2 home games out of 40 does very little to their bottom line. They're still losing money.
@TheMeefive so your going to act like this means something lollo
@TheMeefive so your going to act like this means something lollo
Caitlin Clark is the total package, angel Reese is a far second!🥴
Peanut butter cup is upset by that
You can have clark
CC leads the league in turnovers and her three-point percentage is not elite.
@@michaelhenderson2744 okay
@@webdubois4142 go and parrot something you heard
100% AGREE WITH YOUR TAKE ON THIS. I hope the media is listening to your take. It is chaos right now and the media loves controversy. For me, CC is the ROTY.
Shes the only player in the league double teamed every game if not tripple teamed. Exept against phoenix cause they thought she wasnt up to it but she was with a W.
That’s true some players don’t like him coz she plays good and has the look as a straight woman.
She don't get double
Guess that's the only team you watch cause your statement is false lol.
This lady AR is NOT defended in anyway, some players allow her to score easily with no defense, but you see 2 or 3 players at the same time defending CC, there is something fishy here.
I think that's a lie. She's defended massively. And even was pulled down once in a defensive move.
You're lying.
Reese gets double alot y'all just run narrative y'all heard
@@preyeyinkore7238every time you turn around she on the ground and it’s 2/3 people in the box on her every play
CC averages 6 Turnovers a game. That's about 1 Turnover for every 10 minutes. Reese doesn't even handle the ball and she gets almost 3 Turnovers a game. Angel almost had a triple-double against Seattle, she only needed 10 more assists. CC is ROTY.
Your math is horrible!
My 3rd grader does better math
Reese leads in double dribbles
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
Russel Westbrook had highest TOs when he won ROTY. All time TO records are Magic and LeBron - ball handlers get To's. IF you're getting your team points - it's not the metric greatness is measured by. Only CC gets this scrutiny.
Rachel totally owns McNutt's silly logic. Silly espn & their narratives. Smh on Skip's logic as well.
They are typical Left wing media that does sports. They hate white people it seems.
Skip merely quoted stats.
@@TheMeefive Skip merely cherry picked stats to prove a biased narrative without context.
Skip haß bowed to the system that pays him....weakling
How? Her rebuttal was stupid and out of context..
Caitlin Clark is a play maker, angel Reese is just waiting for the ball to get to her! Duh!🥴
Or miss her own point blank range shot to get a rebound 😂.
Much safer to throw the ball from the wnba logo than to receive a pass on the post and get hit hard by women bigger and heavier than you. Let's be real the target is reese at the post and not the petite flopper at the 3 point line
@@garygomez4297 People don't get it. 3 point shots don't have the grit of going to the basket and getting your hands on the ball and into the net.
@@garygomez4297 stupidity at it finest here. Reese is a fine post player, but she wasn’t the best player at LSU and she’s not the best player for the Sky.
It's Caitlin Clark. Stop playing.
It actually reminds me of Lonzo's beginning where the media wanted him to fail and constantly tried to tear him down
CC is the rookie of the year. Its one thing to break records but to create records is another level.
Btw Clark’s specialty is passing not 3s shooting. She’s more like female Nash than Curry. But she actually is Nash/Curry type.
The Sky add Reece, Cardoso, and Carter and are currently on pace to finish worse than last season.
While the Fever are better then they were last year .
The Sky loss their whole roster after last season, including finals MVP Kahleah Coloer, only 3 players returned. So I can’t even compare their roster last season, imagine if they still had Copper at least they would compete for a championship. Tell all the facts before u talk nonsense. Indiana has 3 All Stars compared to the Sky who only have one.
@@jeangrey5952🙏💯🔥
Cardoso has been injured since the preseason. Angel is all they have in the post. Carter is a 5'9 pg.
They literally have a whole new team and a new coach. They picked up players who was waived and rookies...
CC was a lock for ROTY as soon as she was drafted. Much like Wemby.
Unfortunate but true! She their great yt white hype. Reese could have 20 double doubles and avg 17 points a game and Clark could avg 20 turnovers and they'd still give Clark the trophy. She yt
@@DeeCarLady Only an injury might change things.
@@BlakeC27dont say injury.
CC's game is now multitasking unlike what it was in college.
She's more of a facilitator, yet integrating her college game into the professional level, which means way more, teamball.
Let's not forget how much she has to do, when taking on the defense almost full court.
Day in day out, her game is more of a challenge, than what Angel Reese has to compete with. It's all there in the statistics.
She is having a historic season that you are not being told about. Catilin is averaging 16, 6, 7+.. Points, rebound, assists per game. No rookie has ever average that for a season ever in the WNBA. Its so good you have to go to the NBA for a comp. Magic Johnson and Oscar Roberson are the only rookies ever to do that and nobody in the WNBA. As a matter of fact, I don't think and 2nd or 3rd year player in the WNBA has ever done that. But we dont know how historic this season is because of the woke azz media and people like mcstuid, baynut dont know how to do their job. How is a layman like myself able to compile and honest, objective analysis and these clowns cant.
Aint no way ANYONE in sports media is going to allow CC to be ROY, no way, no how! CC could triple dub every single remaining game and she aint going to win it!
Unfornate, but true :(
Fever just needs to finish strong make the playoffs that will make the haters shut up
@jasonj7755 nothing will shut them up!
Unfortunately true.
Those anti-CC talking heads are sickening, and people just need to boycott ESPN.
CC is the ROTY, being the Court General is so hard, bringing the ball down, passing, scoring, and being face guarded all the time, rebounding is a plus, CC is an all around player which no rookie have done on their first 22 games in WNBA. With just 22 games, you can definitely see how CC deserve to be the ROTY, she made an impact to her team within 22 games, the worst team before CC, look at them now, the team beat the no.1 team.
They are1-3 against the Liberty
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
When you keep getting your own rebound, shouldn’t you only get 1-pt for making the shot?
Last I checked ROY is given out after the season is over. Be real, the Fever looked like a JV team the first 10 games or so but have improved vastly over the past month and coincidentally so have CC’s numbers. I have a feeling the Angel v CC debate will look quite different in the 2nd half. Talk to me when the regular season is over
Fever will have at least 5 more wins than the Sky by seasons end. No playoffs for Chiraq King.
It's the WNBA they all look like JV teams.
Angel Reese-
Open Court threat - No
Perimeter shooting threat - No
Three point threat - No
Assist threat - No
Draws double team- No
In the paint threat - Yes
Offensive Rebounds - %42.6 (League average on Centers %21.3)
Basically the Sky suck at shooting if she is that high in rebounds.
I love fans who have never actually played the game.
Angel will improve once she focuses more on reading the court, assist, and shooting the ball. And yes, some of us actually played TopGun Division II Streetball for 12 years, up to and including teams like AND1. We know when a player has skill and when a player is hype.
AR is a post player just waiting for the ball to get in her hand. CC is an all around player-assists, rebounds, logo 3s shots. AR is not doubled or tripled team while CC is being guarded from the other side of the court. Yet still she was able to achieve a triple-double against a #1 team in the W (#22 jersey, born 01-22-02, 22nd game, July 22, 2024). Who is the better and fun to watch player?
Don't forget Reese Double Dribble Double
Don't for forget cc turnovers
@@chameliosalamander8029don't forget your...oops too late 😂😂😂😂😂
🎯🎯💯
@@chameliosalamander8029 Don't forget her teammates couldn't handle her passes. They are now.
Screw the wnba i only watch fever play fowllowing CC.
Same
Exactly why Caitlin's impact on the league is minimal.
and the Aces.
Pts/assts DDs (29 total ytd in wnba) are four times harder to achieve than pts/rebounds DDs(129 ytd).
AR rebounds her own missed lay ups, compared that to her defensive rebounds. Most of her Double Doubles are rebounds.
93 offensive rebounds 130 defensive rebounds. Your statement makes no sense
"Since when has the Rookie of the Year been decided by how well a team has done"...well I'll point you to #4 pick Scottie Barnes and #1 pick Cade Cunningham. Both had very similar stat lines but Scottie massively improved Toronto record while the Pistons were still a bottom team. Wemby literally had no equal.
On the side however yes Caitlin is leading the league in points created..she also has played 1-3 more games than any other team.
😊cc controls the ball, AR has to receive the ball then battle on the inside. Cc dont play defense, why she playing weak side defense.
Wemby the NBA ROTY also had the 3rd most turnovers in the NBA this season, and the most turnovers of ANY rookie! And Wemby is a center and not a high volume passer/PG.
Wemby 260 to's in 71 games (3.7) Caitlin 122 tos in 22 games (5.5) There's no comparison
This discussion of Angel over Caitlin for ROTY is just like the people talking up Chet Holmgren half way through the season vs Wemby. It was simply to create parity and close horserace that just doesn't match up to the eye test in reality. Caitlin Clark is rewriting the entire WNBA narrative, filling arenas, and bringing new eyes to the league. Fortunately Wemby stepped it up the latter half of the season and left the rest of the rookies in his dust. Since the Olympic snub, Caitin has been putting up even better numbers than earlier in the season and her efforts to include her teammates have started paying off and hopefully this ROTY race will be more blatantly obvious by the end of the season to all of the voters.
Horserace? How dare you make that comment knowing Angels hair is horse hair! Im tellin'!
@@chhansen9813 Wow... haha. We were at the Father's Day game in Indianapolis and I love seeing such talented young players and so many passionate fans. It's a shame that it seems so difficult to just be respectful of one-another while competing. For a rare example of that kind of sportsmanship.. look up Notre Dame quarterback Sam Hartman when he waited after the game to make sure the opposing quarterback, Riley Leonard, was okay after getting injured on the field. I really believe that level of respect is one of the reasons why Riley Leonard transferred to Notre Dame for this coming year!!
The parity creation part for the ROTY for the women is moot ... for now. Both whether you and I like it or not, both women have set or broken WNBA rookie records in their own right.
And if you're honest, had there been no CC vs Reese matchup two seasons ago ("can you see me now?" hand gesture and all) with LSU taking the ring and then ANOTHER matchup a year later between the two, we would not be talking about CC the way we are now. There's no shine on Batman without a Joker. No Superman without a Lex Luther. And whether we like it or not, that is the Ying and Yang of these two women right now.
And special mention to their draft class too. As a collective, they've changed the face of the WNBA.
@@VanIyke Exactly, well said. CC and Reese are both breaking records and picking their production up, in winning efforts. You can't go wrong with either or, at this juncture. For people to constantly dismiss Reese, as if she hasn't been putting up all around numbers, is beyond me.
Half of Angel Reese's rebounds are from her own miss shots
Rachel Thank You! It’s rare for the media to give an unbiased review lately. They are both doing great. However, numbers don’t lie. I hope the ROTY ends up being awarded based on basketball and not favoritism.
DITTO!!
Me too
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
@@TheMeefive Just wait a few more month. Shy will be where they are to day. CC can elevate the team as they play better together and work out the mistakes.
Oh, and Ionescu recorded her first triple double just 6 games into her career. But no one wants to talk about that.
Not as Rookie 2022 ?
@@IThinkICare got hurt 3 games into her rookie season. Did it 3 games into her 2nd season. 6 games.
@@krabba_7 I see.
No matter what the WNBA and ESPN says the ROTY will be determined from Vegas. That's how it's always determined if be it mvp etc... As of now Caitlin is -700 to win ROTY and Reese is only +350.
You forgot to factor in Affirmative Action. AR will get it.
100%CC
Finally somebody who knows what she is talking about ..........love that you recognize the nuances (shows you played at a high level)
Reese braked a record that was there from Parker, but CC make a new record that no rookie was able to make that a big difference🤣🤣🤣
Reese's record is one no rookie or any players has done: it is the very first time a 12 double doubles in a single season and the first time 13 double doubles in a season: not just a rookie record, its a league record also.
Your dumb CC broke a rookie record Reese broke a WNBA league record. Now tell me which one more impressive. Now if CC break the triple doubles in a year record as a rookie that's comparable. smh
That's true ❤
@@claudehosch4706 Don’t forget. Angel’s got four records now, including the two, for rookie and WNBA double-doubles. Reese also has the records for both rookie and all WNBA players for the first to score after a double-Dribble, and then a follow up double-Dribble, with a carry. That’s a record for most uncalled violations in a row, single possession. Tell me the WNBA doesn’t have an agenda for Angel that they have the refs enforce.
Clark SET a record that Parker NEVER SET as a rookie. Get it? Ding Dong
In Reese's 13 straight double-doubles her team is 5-8 -- in Clark's triple-double, and all of her near triple doubles, her team is undefeated. One of them is stat padding, and the other is making her teammates better. What's the definition of a great player again? Oh, right. Someone who makes their teammates better. Can you be rookie of the year, if you aren't a great player?
They trying to steal this award from CC. It ain’t right. This young lady is the best believe that.
I get your having to ask the question, but the answer is clear and it isn’t really even close. You’ve got it right looking at the points scored and assisted on. Reese doesn’t have the ball in her hands a fraction of the time that Clark does - a true point guard who touches the ball first whether off the rebound or out of the net.
Before even watching the video, we all know whom the media will pick because of the times in which we live.
If you're to go off the standings, Reese and the Chicago Sky are at 8th currently, the same as last year. Clark and the Fever are at 7th, 10th last year. Clark has moved the needle, Reese has not.
Monica McNutt is making a case of which of the two rookies impact their team the most. How do you measure 2 rookies who play totally different positions on the court, but statistically are killing it in their respective role? Clearly you would have to go with the player impactful enough to get their team to the playoffs. This isn't rocket science guys. You guys are totally basing your opinions on popularity, but Rookie of the year isn't about popularity. Caitlin could easily win ROTY all she has to do is keep doing what she is doing, WIN games!
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
It's tiring seeing ppl trying to use a double double stat for giving her the roty. Like let's be forreal. It's just annoying. Everyone sees what is going on. Ppl don't want to admit it though.
How about these facts.
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
@@TheMeefivethey will ignore your facts/ advanced stats and rather pick and choose what to say about Reese just like Rachel Demita in this video. I wasn't going to comment but I see you and respect what you doing... These ppl are lost in the sauce... How are rookie records more meaningful than league-wide records ?! Its baffling to me....
Caitlin Clark is the Rookie of the Year … for me …
Ranking - Points - CC=16th / AR=22, Field Goals - AR=25th / CC=26th, 3 Pointers - CC = 6th / AR= 92nd, Free Throws - AR=6th / CC=11th, Rebounds - AR=1st / CC= 19th, Assist - CC=2nd / AR=54, Steals - AR=12th / CC=17th, Blocks - CC=16th / AR=42nd, Turnovers (bad=1, good=100, also hurts other stats) CC=1st / AR=76th....... so if CC didn't have a high TO rate , she would be beating AR, but the high TO makes it a toss up (some stats are weighted more heavily than others, Rebounds, Assist, Points and Turnovers have the heaviest weight)
the pundits are not watching the games. Skipp has never watched a game in his life
Reese vs Sonic’s no one guarded her until she got her double double 🤩
Why is no one (media) talking about the actual criteria that goes into making the Rookie of the year selection? I for one would appreciate an unbiased, unemotional opinion. Thank you.
Finally someone that speaks sense against all this nonsense about Reece being ROTY
❤CC22🐐 MVP
CC: WNBA History: First rookie to record a triple-double...EVER
WNBA History: Fastest rookie to record 350+ points, 150+ assists and 120+ rebounds
(while she's being double and triple teamed the entire game every game)
and
AR: how many of her double double stats have relied on her missing her own layups, getting her own rebound, and putting it back in ??? Its like statistical double dipping ....................
Biased why talk good about CC but then criticize AR? Why not mention all of them turnovers? Pathetic
CC is doing better than I expected, by a mile. She's gonna retire as the GOAT and it won't be debatable.
@@chuckturdburger4612 Bruh she a rookie how are you talking about she going to be the GOAT LOL. Yep, you lost your whole mind. Just a reminder you can root for CC without have to talk bad about AR. She impressive to and she is doing better than anyone expected also.
@@DogMentalitySportsTalkWithChri There have been 996 rookies in the WNBA since 1997.
Only 1 has ever put up a triple-double.
And 1/3 of her turnovers are because her teammates couldn't catch. Notice how its gone down by 50% over the last 1/2 of games
"first ROOKIE.. fastest ROOKIE .. when are you ppl going take your heads outta your asses.. you are praising Clark accomplishments compared to rookies .. Reese is being compared to All players regardless of season for her accomplishments... There is a serious difference that needs to be explained
Same bullshit the pundits have been saying from day one. The CC hate is real. Reece is a very good player. Clark is a generational talent who makes her teammates better. No contest.
Watch both of them play for forty minutes and it’s ridiculous to think that Reese deserves roty over CC
typical rage bait...
Exactly, she lost respect from me when she said most of CC turnovers are CC teammated. She just made excuses for CC.
So I'm not surprised she chose CC.
@@draystewart4283 Hey can't knock the hustly... they all chasing engagement lol part of a good assist is knowing how each teammate likes to be passed the ball.... but no I'm not falling for the rage bait lol
Reese needs CC to be relevant. CC needs no one. Also, the media is dramatically over hyping double doubles...
Most of CC turnovers come from her teammates not having hands. A lot of Reese's rebounds are from missed layups...... Reeses FG% is garbage for her position.. It's not even close
I’m gonna quote someone here… “39% shooting from 2 feet away” 😂
The media wants to create a Magic vs Bird in the WNBA. But Angel Reese is no Magic. Not even close.
True Enough, it is kinda silly, but hey the WNBA needs all the HELP that they can get! It's nice watching the young rookie's. I'm not so interested in watching the jaded veterans. That would be like watching a bunch of bitchy women who have been married for 20 years!!! My wife was such a nice person when she was 25, but 20 years later she changed A LOT! Not really a fun person to be around anymore. LOL
2 years from now, the league will have been remade in Caitlin's image, the NBA grift era will be over and people will have forgotten that Reese was a thing
How can you say people are moving the goal post and make excuses for Caitlin's bad play in the same conversation. Isn't that "moving" the goal post?
Thank God you noticed 😂
Many of CC's give aways have been passes to her teammates they couldn't handle. Now they are. Amazing how none of these media don't understand getting your own rebound is not very impressive. The only stat that Reese has over CC is rebounds, that's it.
Excuses Excuses Excuses. So, all her turnovers are because her teammates drop the ball? Just sound dumb
@DogMentalitySportsTalkWithChri Did I say all?? No I did not. By what you are saying she gave the ball away and missed on Points and assists. But with all those give aways she still better than Reese. Thanks for the laughs though 🤣🤣
@@kennethsonia5350 CC just got a triple double on Saturday and if you can believe it or not she actually got rebounds. How can anybody say getting rebounds are not impressive but then turn around and congratulate somebody on getting a record where rebounds are apart of it? The triple double not impressive because who cares about rebounds see how dumb that sounds? Leading the league in rebounds as rookie is impressive on any level. Clearly you don't know nothing about basketball. You can root for CC without having to try to tear AR down. Do better
I pick CC for ROTY
This isnt even a conversation, geez,its plain as day that Caitlin Clark is a shoe in for ROTY ,fullstop
Reese is really good but no CC. 70% of those turnovers to her teammates were touched by 1 hand or 2 hands. If you can touch that ball you better catch and shoot. I watched CC in the NCCA tournament and she loves to run and gun if she gets doubled teamed during a game she will feed it. Head coach should have found that out in her film. Also, her block shot Stat is better than Reese. Stats just don't lie. Her coach even said after liberty game her players are now catching up with the way she passes up court. I've never watched that much WNBA but I'm surprised Nike and the NBA Commisioner has not walked in that WNBA COMMISIONER and told her enough crap on her treatment or go find your own money. As of now for next year there ADV Marketing funds are up to 240 million for next year revenue. That's 4 times than ever and it's not because of Reese. Never seen so much hate to young lady that's helping Vet players possibly getting more funds but they could be the next Bud Light and loose everything ADV TV funds and Nike, Wilson, do not pay this money out for the fun of it. IMO.
Naw they her turn overs. That's why they are in her column. Own it
@DeeCarLady that's the great thing She owns it, but last 4 games all players have said they now coming down court to get into open space.
If she’s going off the standings Indiana is ahead so what will,she say now ? 😐
If Angel had true point guards on her team she’d be averaging 20 something points.
The real reason why the WNBA authorities excluded CC from the national team and serious consideration as the Rookie of the Year is because by doing so, they would be acknowledging their own incompetence and ineffectiveness in letting the WNBA be what it was before CC came along - a game league losing $10M a year, which almost nobody watches with very little national awareness. Almost single-handedly CC has increased awareness of the WNBA in the US and abroad, increased attendance and income to unprecedented levels, and brought the quality of WNBA to its highest level than ever before. That is why these pathetic WNBA authorities continuously snub CC, do not punish hard fouls appropriately and show extremen unawareness of the Caitlin Clark effect on the WNBA. Shame on them! They should be replaced with more responsive and responsible personalities.
Anyone who has listened to the way CC speaks about her outlook in life would probably believe that CC is just not all that interested in being roty. She's said time and time again that her main focus in life right now is playing the very best bball she can, and improving her team's playing. Period. I also feel that she will be the first person to congratulate whoever DOES eventually wins roty. I wish I felt as confident that Angel would do the same. But who knows? Caitlin may or may not deserve the award, but I don't think that she cares one way or the other.
Correct..it’s about the W. That’s what she knows.
That’s MVP talk yo. White shesus!!! #1 on the scouting report!!! #ROTY#MVP#CC# WHITESHESUS!!!
Someone get this girl on the media! Straight facts!!!
The real issue is just like the rest of the league, the people covering the WNBA were also not being watched and so I think they got used to being able to say whatever dumb thing and no one cared.
Funny. I've heard Skip say the same thing about Clark that every other commentator said; "she's known for her 3's but her skill is in passing" and then promptly forgets it.
Thank you for keeping it real and not jumping on the narrative. Your take is realistic and professional. I appreciate your input.
Never understood why media will never bring up those numbers and the facts but will glaze on the double double 😂😂😂.ESPN is mediocre if it was Charles Barkley he would told straight CC and will bring up the facts of the list what she accomplished
Should the media bring up these stats too?
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
It's clear and obvious that Caitlin Clark should be rookie of the year! Team standings have nothing to do with it, but individual performance does! Clark does it all, scoring, passing, assists, play making, you name it! Reese for the most part just scores layups and many times she even misses those, and she grabs rebounds because her place is in the low post where you get most of those rebounds and double doubles just aren't that impressive but since the league's very beginning, no rookie has had a triple double until Caitlin Clark came along! Who should be crowned rookie of the year? The answer is a no brainer!
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
We don't care about no dam double double. Does she even play defense? where are her block shots ? CC is a way better player. And doing much better, that's my ROTY.
I love how they say CC turns the ball over. Well maybe if her teammates could catch the ball. I could like Angel Reese if she didn't act like a damn thug. It just makes her unwatchable for me.
True on both points. Pete Maravich had the same problem. He was so exceptional that his teammates couldn't catch his quick passes from all directions. Reese is a jealous, cheap shot thug and no role model for children!
Name calling will not take Reese out of the ROTY race. Just saying...
This story is already written. With only 60 sportswriters having a vote and them being part of the media in general, there is zero doubt that Angel Reese will win ROTY, no matter how well CC does in the 2nd half of the season or even if they win a few playoff games. And when this happens, the attendance and viewership will be right back to where it was last year.
Aces average attendance 2023, 9551. Highest attendance 2023, 17406. I don't think they'd care, They are over 10,000 this year with or without Caitlin.
@@jodale1972 I already have become interested because of Clark and then disinterested because of how they treat her
@@CharlesElingtonJust one person is why you watch a sport? That's interesting.
@@preyeyinkore7238 It's Woke NBA even tho both are but basketball is a shit sport until Caitlin Clark. So yeah 1000% it didn't matter to me before Caitlin. The dumb decisions by the WNBA it won't matter long either way ;)
For me, yes. I watched a few WNBA games back when it first started as there were a few ladies from a university near me that made it. Watched for maybe 10 games and haven't watched a single game since, until this year. This year I have tried watching a few games that were not Fever but just never got into them. I could see myself eventually liking to watch Aces, Liberty, and Jewell Lloyd.
Why are people even discussing this non event? Caitlin is the obvious choice. Player Of The Year last season? Wilson. Plays with how many Olympians? Skip, wake up. She runs the team. She is a great assisted. Great free throw shooter. Who had more blocks? Whats her name or Caitlin? Caitlin. Since the brutal 11 games in 19 days, Indiana has a winning record. Truthfully , these people need to go away
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
Can people stop lying on the fever. They was not the worst team in the league last year. The (Mercury) was. The Storm was the 2nd worst then the Fever came in a cool 3rd worst team.
This race isn't heating up... As you said the media made up their mind a long time ago that Reese will get it.
As of now there have been 129 point/ rebound double doubles. 19 assist/points double double in which Clark has 4 in her last 5 games. Then there have been 3 triple doubles. Clark has a much better effective shooting percentage by almost 10 percentage points. Clark is the best point guard in the league. Reese is not the best power forward in the league. The fever are much better this year while the sky is worse. Clark is leading in the points scored and assisted. It really isn’t close. Clark gets guarded harder than anyone in the history of the wnba. Clark is much better. It’s not really that close.
I see both Reese and Clark having a better second half of the season. I think the Fever will end with a considerable better record than the Sky. The Fever are going to be a real problem for other teams very soon.
Well-argued video, Rachel! Excellent! Greetings from a Caitlin Clark fan in the Philippines! :)
Angel hasn't had a good season. Watch the games. Pay attention to what is happening.
Obviously you don't watch the games lol
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
@@TheMeefive You're showing your stupidity. I've debunked all this crap. You don't even know what any of this means.
@@krabba_7 All of them, my dumb, sweet, child.
@@greggg3307 then you must have cataract
Well, the Fever are ahead of the Sky now . Does that mean Clark is ahead of Reese now ?
turnovers?? Are you kidding me sue bird won many awards and yet she's no.1 in her time in turnovers whahhaha
lets keep it real CC is ROTY 2024.
It's so refreshing to hear an intelligent assessment of the facts, dismissing the inane suggestion by McNutt that ROTY should be based on team standing. The level of absurdity inherent in that statement is baffling. Most of us would agree that Skip Bayless is an absolute embarrassment as a sports commentator, so he has very little credibility with sports fans. Saying that Reese deserves to be in contention for ROTY, over CC, is as spectacularly stupid as putting Dennis Rodman in the same category as Michael Jordan - how insane is that!!
I completely agree that Angel should be ROTY... Everyone forgets about CC turnovers...
You're a refreshing voice of reason, Rachel.
This lady is clearly bias, all she does is make excuses for CC and criticize AR.
Eh..😂😂 you are bias to AR 😂😂😂
Just like all your fking blackie are doing for clown blackie self rebound taker.
Clearly....
@rometallud1161 No, I'm just trying to balance the universe
2 things 1. the Fever was not the worst team in the WNBA last year. 2. the Triple Double was her 22 game.
The offensive rebound narrative has been debunked
Thank you, finally, somebody sees Caitlin 's overall game is far above Reese
Not so fast lol
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
Did you watch the first Storm Sky game? The Storm have a very good interior but they let yeah they let Angel break the record. The fix is in and it was obvious when you watch the Storm against them.
She gave the same reasoning for pick Caitlin as rookie of the year 3 weeks ago. Nobody complained about it
As a man, the only reason I watch womens basketball is Caitlin Clark.
And?
Yeah..... but NOBODY is going to the games to see Angel...... Caitlin on the other hand..... is filling the arenas.
Caitlin is great for the Fever, not so much for the rest of the league that only get 2 home games out of 40 against her.
@@TheMeefive who's fault is that?
Wow, this lady knows what’s she is talking about, the media is the problem here. They for some reason can’t stand to see CC succeed, which is so awesome for the game.