I wouldn't suggest a Piranha for a new player. The Wolfhound and Firestarter are bigger and more forgiving and durable than the 20 ton Piranha. The Urbanmech deserves a mention here as well. New players should try mediums and heavy mechs first.
Presentation is everything and this is presentable. Nothing too complicated, just a simple introduction and demonstration that most new people (like me) can digest and understand easily. There needs to be more people like you for players new to the game, well done!
Back in the day, when I first started, long, long time ago... I still remember my first ones. Maybe not the best ones for new players, but I liked them well enough. Raven as far as lights are concerned - simple, reliable. Medium was Centuriuon - shielded arm, plenty of torso weapons and a big mount in the other arm - pretty good mech for learning how to position yourself and how to use your armour and arms. Catapult K2 - basically stock config with some refinenment - a PPC boat, which was not bad at the time. Stalker for assaults - tough, with fairly flexible weapon mounts. Stock config runs hot very quickly but it is a good platform for trying very different weapon configs - you can go easily for full missiles, for full energy or a mix of both. You are only missing on ballistics - and considering that mounts are symmetrical, it makes them easy and convenient to set up.
I'd personally advise new players against getting lights or assaults as their first mechs because those mechs require map awareness and situational awareness to be able to maximize (plus lights are a pain to pilot if you have poor internet like me). My "top mechs" for new pilots would be: Shadow Hawk 2K - all weapon mounts are cockpit-level (great for hill-peeking) and torso-mounted (arms are shields), reasonably durable with a light engine (LFE 265 and LFE 280 are the sweet spots) and can run either as a laser boat (3x Large Pulse Lasers), MRM + laser hybrid (MRM 40 + 3x Med Lasers or MRM30 + 3x LPPC) or a brawler (3x SRM6 + 3 Med Lasers or 2x SRM 6 + 2x Snubs). Hellbringer Prime - with "A" head and "P" RT. Probably the best laser boat for beginners with 2x LPL + 4x ERML + ECM. Very forgiving because of the speed and ECM (just don't let it become a crutch for poor positioning), nice high torso mounts and reasonably cool-running. And once new players have had enough experience to play around with builds, they can switch up the omnipods for less C-bills as opposed to buying a new mech altogether. Dervish 6 MR/ Griffin 2N - 2x MRM 30 with Jump Jets (and ECM for the Griffin). Similar to your MAD-9M but with a little less alpha, no ghost heat and a bit more speed and maneuverability (also less inclined to draw a lot of aggro, being mediums). But the MAD 9M works, too! Bushwacker P2/X2 - similar to yours, but with 2x LB10-X and a couple of med lasers. The UAC Jam mechanic may be frustrating to beginners, and the spread fire of the LBX is easier to aim. Plus, they have something to shoot when the cannons run dry. Nice vid and good hunting!
You need to keep making content. This is actually a great recommendation for new players. I'd maybe say stay away from lights and assaults. Maybe add some laser vom builds HBR EBJ Timby something that can move and output great dmg. Regardless good personality and well spoken. The more content creators the more chance of new players to boost the population.
I would disagree on the Piranha, it's unforgiving bc it's made of paper, close range, it requires A LOT of comprehension about team movement, positioning and the different phases of a match. The FOV is limited and it runs hot. I'd go with the Urbie R80 instead. FULL ACK tho on the Bushie and Marauder (maybe add some small lasers) and the fact that you left out Assaults completely.
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND yup. 2nd worst cockpit in the game. (shadowhawk is square,smaller,lacks even the side slits,and has a big gun blocking more LoS on hte left side)
@@ryanmccabe1036 I would consider such a mech perfect for advanced players. But the vid is about mechs for new players, which are forgiving and teach the basics.
This mech is the absolute worst light for new players! You will die before even shooting once, it requires extreme map and enemy awareness and the utmost caution! It is a great mech and can deal serious damage with the skills and communication, but new players will lack both. I would recommend medium mechs instead, they have enough armor to get hit twice and use medium range weapons to be safe. Even the locust is safer to use because of how tiny it is.
Heyo! Just a small bit of criticism, the MAD-9M has the slots to put a zero ton (0.0 ton) case in the right torso, preventing your immediate death upon detonation of one of those missile ammo slots :)
Marauder 9M is my favorite IS Heavy so I am kinda Biased. But it is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Goooooooooood. Very simple too, usually just a couple buttons. While having Good Hitboxes and Armor, and an ECM to boot. That Bushwhacker run was surprising when you went against the enemy Marauder and won honestly. I was impressed. I used to run a Twin UAC 10 Mad Dog for years, until balance changed so much it became ridiculously hard to put up crazy good performance, but I still remember outbrawling entire lances as the Last Man standing a few times very fondly. So seeing those weapons put up a good show on a smaller mech is nice. Piranha is a mixed bag. On one hand it is very simple just 1 button. But it having paper armor and no Field of View because of the cockpit makes it a very specialized mech. If you can wrap your head around moving fast and evading enemy Line of Sight and fire well, its absolutely a beast. But I wouldnt necessarily call it a good Starter mech for a new player. A Firestarter 9A with 8 Small Pulse lasers functions similarly, while being way tankier, due to nice Hit Boxes and a good amount of armor, while also being able to Bring Jump Jets. And thus would be a way better Starter Light.
After you get practice with the Marauder 9m in landing the MRM missiles, it's SO fun, especially with the great shots you get being off radar. Fantastic mech. I did 1200 damage one game!
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Personally I wouldn't recommend a light Mech, or anything that has a XL or RACs to any new player tbh. Hunchback 4SP (4 Medium Lasers, 2 SMRM6 with Artemis) - Still a super easy mech to handle. Zoom in with 89 kph, fire, zoom away. Hellbringer Omni (ECM, 2 Heavy Large Lasers, 3 ER Medium Lasers) - 55 Pinpoint Damage from out of nowhere and fast enough to reposition (or run away if needed) Runners Up: Orion -VA (Ultra AC20, 4 SRM4 with Artemis) - If you want to slug it out close and personal. Not as fast as the other two, so it could be a bit more of a challenge, but you can trade a few punches, you got the Armor.
I already have too many mechs from a couple years ago when I played. Jumped back into game again and ended up buying even more mechs. Hatchetman, Bushwhacker and others. Too much fun in this game.
I don’t recommend inner sphere xl engine mech builds like your bushwacker because they lose one torso and they die. I remember having that same struggle/frustration when my friends told me I should put one in my black knight. That Marauder on the other hand is one I regularly use and highly recommend. If you drop some tonnage you can add 4 small lasers which is an extra 20 dmg up close too.
PHX2 with 6 mlas. ECM, one weapon type, one range, lasers, runs cool, runs fast, very manoeuvrable, jumps well and spreads damage extremely well. I started my 6 year old son with this one so he could get used to kayboard and mouse controls. It's quite forgiving to new players. We then moved on to an Urbie R80 with 3LPPC and 2 erSlas so he could practice pinpoint shots, top peeking and some jump sniping. After 2 days playing he finished his final match with 1 kill 270dmg with a total 3 kills for the weekend. His 1st match went 0 kills 0 dmg, so he progressed enormously over a very short time (proud dad here)
When I was new I got the catapault c4. I learnt real quick how to not suck with lrms, and to carry more then just lrms. Nowdays I carry two lrms and two mrms.
You just need a buddy to spot and guard. I loved my Cat, Steel Rain. 5-10-20 lrms, heat balanced, it was eight minutes of continuous artillery barrage madness.
For my recommendations. Viper as an early feel for light mechs even though its a medium mech. Shadow Hawk or the Bushwhacker for the racs and ac. Archer or sun spider for missile boating. Laser boat should be the Hunchback and IIC.
I think the Piranha-2 is a terrible starter pick; Backstabbers usually need Map Knowledge to maneuver into position and get out of danger. You weren't even using the Loadout you said to use, with 10 Micro Pulse Lasers and 3 ER Small Lasers instead of 13 Micro Pulse Lasers, and with that armor layout newbies are likely to be back-cored by friendly fire... I could more agree with the Bushwacker-X2, probably because you could drop a ton of UAC-10 Ammo to fit a decent medium laser backup on the Center Torso, but you are using a Marauder-9M AS A MISSILE BOAT! A fracking Catapult can do the same thing, for HALF the price, and have Quirks that actually support vomiting Medium Range Missiles!
I think it is the Orion 1-VA or 1-V with amazing quirks towards missile heat. That thing can carry 2xMRM40 and 2 medium Lasers. Might be worth a look for beginners, too.
Good recommendations here, and I enjoy your content in general. You give good advice and that's always appreciated with this game having such a steep learning curve. Cheers!
I'd swap out the Piranha with the Urbanmech R80 and the Marauder with the Warhammer 6R. Can't go wrong with the Bushwacker, though. Personally, I started with the BSW X1, which can carry three RAC2s in the torsos and has a few other nice build alternatives. The Timberwolf TBR-S and Hellbringer Prime are also good choices.
God no, I started out with the urbie and it was pain. New player btw, it just needs too many credits to be used, especially since the base engine is crap. That's a few million cbills new players don't have to waste
@@ironboy3245 The cadet bonus for new players makes swapping out the engine affordable. You just need to finish the tutorials. And most battlemechs come with crap engines, the Urbanmech is no exception.
@@BrokenCurtain the bushwhacker's engine works just fine, as does the Incubus's. You should be recommending mechs that need minimal refits to be useful, not a light that costs as much as a medium mech
It say urbie or flea over pirahhna, piranha cockpit has terrible visabilty, and 3rd person mode sucks As a pretty new player, the bushwacker and murder are amazing though, especially with rac/5s in the BW What do you say about assaults? I'm having trouble finding an assault that I can actually survive and do some damage in and stay alive
Agree. The piranha is far too fragile and makes a good target if he only comes with weapons that have less than 200m optimal range. I would vote for the urbie, too.
Warhammer 6D with around 1-2 mil c bills in augmentations: - Add Lite-Ferro and Endo, then strip PPCs, replace with LPL or Snub PPCs - Fill other energy slots with Med las X6 and extra SHS - Go brawl you maniac..
The lighter the mech is, the more critical piloting skills are. New players should pick heavier mechs as first while becoming accustomed to the game and simply focus on sticking with the main force while learning the other elements of mech combat initially. An assault is far easier to play than a light.
Not really, but you won't have problems finding a game if you only queue Quick Play and enable all servers (which should be on by default anyway). Faction Play, now that's dead.
Heavy and Assault should not be allowed to be played by newbies , for two main reasons, they represent vital assets in firepower / armor that a team needs to win the game with, and they carry enough firepower to seriously damage fellow team members due to friendly fire. Heavy and Assault mechs should require a minimum of rank 2 to use.
i have to disagree with you first pick, piranha's are not easy to play and certainly not for new players, if you have to pick a light mech an urbie may be the way to go
Mmmmmm... Marauder is good. Bushwacker good, BUT IS XL Engine... For new players... Bruh. But it's good, may be Phoenix Hawk 1/1B or Uziel 3P will good with this build (see quirks). Pirana... Light mech for new players... Only LRM can be worse :(
Background: I'm a dedicated light jock (~30% of matches) who's consistently ~97% percentile on Jarl's List. Just to be clear that I have a little bit of an idea what I'm talking about. I would strongly advise against new players buying *any* 20t light as their introduction to the class. 20-tonners have a much higher skill floor than most lights, just as lights in general have a higher skill floor than heavies or assaults. If someone is playing MWO as their first MW experience they're going to lack the mechanics and game knowledge required to keep it alive. 20t lights are also the most desperate for XL+ES+FF+DHS due to their extremely restricted tonnage, which makes them a much more expensive prospect than the chassis price indicates. They also tend to be very range-restricted. You can technically run 6xML on some, but new players will cook themselves with that. My personal pick for "I want a fast, small skirmishing light" for new players would be an OSR-4D. You can run 6xML or 6xSPL with an XL280 + extra DHS + 4JJ, or ditch some JJs for LAMS. You can even drop all the JJ and the extra DHS to fit a light engine. It's almost as fast and small as a 20t but can run a one-sided peek build with better range and more armor to boot. Other solid picks, as others have pointed out, are Wolfhounds and urbies. BSW and MAD are both solid new player options, but after you mentioned sticking to simpler weapons in the intro I'm not sure why you're recommending a UAC-favoring BSW. You *know* new players are going to spam-click the UACs and jam constantly. Something like a HBK-4G with 2x AC/5+3t ammo, 3x ML, LFE280, and full armor isn't exactly peak tier 1 meta, but it's simple and reliable, which is what new players need while learning core mechanics.
As someone in about the same stat bracket: I completely agree. The OSR-4D is a lot less safe than my recommendations of playing longer range skirmishers (HLL Arctic Cheetah, ERLL spider) but that and the Wolfhounds are probably the best option for getting in closer. I think if people really want to learn to circle and ankle bite they should probably watch b33f and play that locust.
Similar player here, completely agree. Knife fighting in a 20 ton is peak skill-based gameplay. Definitely not for newbies. I started in a sniping raven 3l many years ago (still effective btw, just not as great as it used to be) and slowly moved in closer. A new player should be in something can can survive a few hits, so 30 or 35 tons is what I would recommend.
I am fond of the crab for easy medium, large laser + er medium for almost same range. Lasers are forgiving because you can adjust your aim and still get a partial burn instead of hit or miss projectile
My answer is : 4 best mech for new players 1.Urbanmech-R80(2SNPPC+ECM) the most meta thing in this game for now 2.Dervish-6MR (2MRM30) nice brawl medium 3.Hellbringer (2HLL+6ERML+ECM) old stuff but still useful 4.Mad Cat MKII -B (2UAC10+2UAC5) classic dakka build best
@@_ghost1e The time difference between the death of a noob light pilot and a noob assault pilot is the time they need to come to the front. The time when to die for the heavy and medium pilot noobs depends on the size and speed of their mech. The reason for their death isnt the class of the mech but their absent ability to fight and the unaviable ability to avoid enemy fire. The mech academy teaches you a lot about the keys but not to fight against other humans. In fact you know nothing about MWO after the academy. Players are fooled about in-game goals by rewarding dmg with cbills and kills are kind of a by-product of something and you get a little xp´s and a mark on a list in the cocpit. At its core, the game is only ever won by killing 12 enemies. Next, pgi says this is a teamplayer game. The random drops are not, there you have 12 enemys and 11 competitors. That means you have 12 to kill and 11 to use best for your effort. As long as the ppl wont learn/accept this reality and act corresponding, they are victims in every mech. just my 2 cents
@@_ghost1e That or you can chain-fire them, sure it takes a little bit longer but you do this enough and you get an extra Alpha out on the heat savings. EDIT: Hell I even run my twin MRM40 9M with Quad Smalls.
Heavy mechs are the best class since they're designed to kill medium mechs. Equal in speed but tonnage is better. Assault designed to kill everything except light mechs. Light mechs hunt light mechs and assault who have no support. Awesome is the best IS assault since it would had in lore a 20ton scout. But awesome is still one of the better. Banshee is likely the best beginner mech with a speed of 70kph it's faster than most other assault except 80tons at 75kph. Banshee is basically a Mauler at 95ton instead of 90ton and travels a lot faster.
@@lilbippy7691only because they are the "skill check". Every online game needs a skill check to keep things competitive. It only takes a couple good hits to delete a light, people just aren't very good at aiming.
Honestly it's hard not to suggest a Bushwhacker variant to new players. Everyone should own one, and a crab. They're both capable of punching WELL above their weight class in terms of raw weapons platforming, and they're both certainly tougher than they have any right to be in that weight class due to the combination of great hit boxes, relatively small profiles, and frankly just that creeping mistake everyone makes by over looking them until they've battered out heavy/assault levels of damage by the end of a round.
No back armor build for noobs? What? Overall these are actually less friendly builds I have ever seen on youtube. Don't get me wrong, the content is decent but the advice is not.
The best mechs for new players is undoubtedly the hellbringer and stalker. The most hand held mechs in the game, but are still super strong. I would never recommend mrms to new players because that weapon system just creates bad habits. It’s really not an effective weapon system.
Subscribed but I gotta disagree with the choices on some of these mechs. The Marauder 75t heavy is always a good choice though for any player. However, the Piranha in MWO is the definitive feast or famine mech. It is actually one of the most unfriendly mechs to new players whether it's played or against them. It requires a lot of skill to play it and knowledge of movement and maneuvering. And it's anything but survivable no matter how you build it. Also the Bushwhacker is awesome, however the X1 is a superior ballistics variant. Also I'd let new players to know that when they first start out they may want to stay away from anything with an Inner sphere XL engine in use until they get down some basics like torso twisting and cover management. Other than that, good to see the MwO videos increasing these days! Keep up the good work!
I enjoyed this video. Great presentation, no excess talk, just a description with good gameplay examples. I had no clue about how the hardpoints and weapon systems worked when I first started playing, so my first mech that I bought for myself with C-Bills was a Spider-5K. All ballistics with one laser, and I wanted a laser build. Turned out to be a blessing and a curse, the curse being I had to rely largely on short range light ballistics (the Spider is a light mech, so it can't rock heavy cannons unless you like having no armor), but the blessing being it forced me to improve my accuracy and strategy. I still had enough tonnage to equip one medium laser, so that became my little "poker" that I would use to annoy enemy players. I spent my first month or so barely making 100 damage per game, but once I learned ballistics have the highest crit percentage against unarmored components, my game started to get better and I started to get kills. After that I could buy more mechs, and because I had gotten used to playing with such a gimped mech in the beginning, the other mechs felt like powerhouses. Point being, a video like this would have helped lighten the learning curve considerably. LOVE the Piranha series. Such an annoying little backstabber. My Piranha-1 has 3 heavy small lasers and 8 light machine guns, so that thing literally cuts down heavy mechs from behind. My recommendations for beginners would be these: Light Mech: Urbanmech series with a fast XL engine. (I know the Urbie makes people mad, but it's a damn durable light mech with 360° visibility and a fair amount of available tonnage). Medium Mech: Viper series. Speed, weapons AND flight. Heavy Mech: Timberwolf series. Armor, weapons, durability, and a little bit of speed.
I reapectfully disagree on the mech choice for the medium and the weapons on the heavy option. I think that the centurion would be a better learning tool for beginners due to it having a wider toolkit for weapons and its shield arm will reinforce on how to spread damage. And for the maruader i think that using something like lazers/ppc's would be a better option to teach newcomers about heat management since its overall strength can make up for mismanaged heat and still fight hard. Overall though i think the idea gets out very well
Thanks for the video! Adding my suggestions as well. Light: Javelin with mediums or SNPPCs and jump jets. Medium: Any hunchback or the bushie If you want suggestions for a future Assault video I recommend the gargoyle with 8 heavy mediums mapped to two mouse buttons (4 one side of mech, 4 on other side) or the 2xAC20 Victor with a fistful of ersl on the arm to sweep for legs on lights. They're lighter and faster Assaults and the Victor can use jump jets. They're mobile enough to make lights think twice about backstabbing you.
I use a very similar Bushwacker build except on an X1 with a 255 and an extra half ton of ammo. Nothing you could have done on that last game well played until the end.
I really don't like these recommendations. The Piranhas are all VERY high skill floor mechs that require patience and good circling. The new light mech player wants to learn battle flow and escape routes, so something that can play at 400-600m and has some armor bonuses to make it more forgiving is a much better pick. I'd suggest the ACH-Prime with 2 heavy larges, a Spider 5D with 2 ERLLs, or maybe a wolfhound or a raven with 3, though a new player may find the lack of jump jets annoying. I definitely like your choice of medium, and the MRM vomit Marauder's not a bad pick for a heavy either, but frankly a lot of heavies will work. Anything that can play at mid range, and has good shield arms to encourage the new player to torso twist and use that torso speed is exactly what you want to teach with. I also agree with not putting newbies in assaults.
I wouldn't recommend a knife-fighting 20 ton mech. They require mastery of situational awareness, aiming and piloting. The melee dance is something few players, even experienced ones, can pull off effectively and most players just get deleted immediately. Your other suggestions are great but for a light, something like the wolfhound or incubus are more forgiving.
Bushwacker is really good mech but my favorite is Viper. Viper is not easy to use but once you master it it is really good mech. I like to play custom Viper with 9 heavy small lazers for hit and run tactics fully utilizing my mobility.
In my opinion best mech for a new player is Hellbringer prime. Ecm + Laser Vomit and good speed. I dont remember but I think mine has: 2 large pulse laser and 3 medium laser.
9:35 My NovaCat B has a skilled range of at least 1,035. No quircks for range so that's pretty decent. I have 2 of them and average well into 800 damage per match.
Older video so maybe no one will reply but what is the weapon group on that PIR? I see that group 1 fires all the lasers but what exactly is happening in group 2?
Can you post build codes? I'm trying to make these and for some reason cannot replicate them. It looks the same, but I'm violating something I can't figure out. :-)
I wouldn't suggest a Piranha for a new player. The Wolfhound and Firestarter are bigger and more forgiving and durable than the 20 ton Piranha. The Urbanmech deserves a mention here as well. New players should try mediums and heavy mechs first.
Mediums are pretty hard to play in MWO. No speed, armor, or significant payload unless pgi has blessed them kindly with quirks.
@@zapa47I nearly top damage in Enforcers and Griffins every game.
Especially the 2N
Presentation is everything and this is presentable.
Nothing too complicated, just a simple introduction and demonstration that most new people (like me) can digest and understand easily.
There needs to be more people like you for players new to the game, well done!
:.(. I take a stab at it, but I don’t Twitch, so I have managed to fly under the radar, 😂.
I've never seen a piranha being played so well by someone. You actually move faster around the enemy than they can rotate their torso on you. Amazing
I'm so glad this game is still being played. It's a ton of fun
im jumping back in i need me some MECHS! 😎
this is my outlet to get away from it all
Nice
Im still stuck in menus. Its been four hours. Please send help.
Back in the day, when I first started, long, long time ago... I still remember my first ones. Maybe not the best ones for new players, but I liked them well enough.
Raven as far as lights are concerned - simple, reliable.
Medium was Centuriuon - shielded arm, plenty of torso weapons and a big mount in the other arm - pretty good mech for learning how to position yourself and how to use your armour and arms.
Catapult K2 - basically stock config with some refinenment - a PPC boat, which was not bad at the time.
Stalker for assaults - tough, with fairly flexible weapon mounts. Stock config runs hot very quickly but it is a good platform for trying very different weapon configs - you can go easily for full missiles, for full energy or a mix of both. You are only missing on ballistics - and considering that mounts are symmetrical, it makes them easy and convenient to set up.
I liked my Gauss-CAT. Got some good snipes with it. Danced 1v1 with an Atlas once too.
I'd personally advise new players against getting lights or assaults as their first mechs because those mechs require map awareness and situational awareness to be able to maximize (plus lights are a pain to pilot if you have poor internet like me). My "top mechs" for new pilots would be:
Shadow Hawk 2K - all weapon mounts are cockpit-level (great for hill-peeking) and torso-mounted (arms are shields), reasonably durable with a light engine (LFE 265 and LFE 280 are the sweet spots) and can run either as a laser boat (3x Large Pulse Lasers), MRM + laser hybrid (MRM 40 + 3x Med Lasers or MRM30 + 3x LPPC) or a brawler (3x SRM6 + 3 Med Lasers or 2x SRM 6 + 2x Snubs).
Hellbringer Prime - with "A" head and "P" RT. Probably the best laser boat for beginners with 2x LPL + 4x ERML + ECM. Very forgiving because of the speed and ECM (just don't let it become a crutch for poor positioning), nice high torso mounts and reasonably cool-running. And once new players have had enough experience to play around with builds, they can switch up the omnipods for less C-bills as opposed to buying a new mech altogether.
Dervish 6 MR/ Griffin 2N - 2x MRM 30 with Jump Jets (and ECM for the Griffin). Similar to your MAD-9M but with a little less alpha, no ghost heat and a bit more speed and maneuverability (also less inclined to draw a lot of aggro, being mediums). But the MAD 9M works, too!
Bushwacker P2/X2 - similar to yours, but with 2x LB10-X and a couple of med lasers. The UAC Jam mechanic may be frustrating to beginners, and the spread fire of the LBX is easier to aim. Plus, they have something to shoot when the cannons run dry.
Nice vid and good hunting!
You need to keep making content. This is actually a great recommendation for new players. I'd maybe say stay away from lights and assaults. Maybe add some laser vom builds HBR EBJ Timby something that can move and output great dmg. Regardless good personality and well spoken. The more content creators the more chance of new players to boost the population.
I would disagree on the Piranha, it's unforgiving bc it's made of paper, close range, it requires A LOT of comprehension about team movement, positioning and the different phases of a match. The FOV is limited and it runs hot. I'd go with the Urbie R80 instead. FULL ACK tho on the Bushie and Marauder (maybe add some small lasers) and the fact that you left out Assaults completely.
Yea when I saw the cockpit I was like "damn, like 70% of the screen is covered up"
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND yup. 2nd worst cockpit in the game. (shadowhawk is square,smaller,lacks even the side slits,and has a big gun blocking more LoS on hte left side)
Yea imagine playing a mech that teaches you how to play better instead of playing a shit mech that's useless to your team.
@@ryanmccabe1036 I would consider such a mech perfect for advanced players. But the vid is about mechs for new players, which are forgiving and teach the basics.
This mech is the absolute worst light for new players!
You will die before even shooting once, it requires extreme map and enemy awareness and the utmost caution!
It is a great mech and can deal serious damage with the skills and communication, but new players will lack both.
I would recommend medium mechs instead, they have enough armor to get hit twice and use medium range weapons to be safe.
Even the locust is safer to use because of how tiny it is.
Heyo! Just a small bit of criticism, the MAD-9M has the slots to put a zero ton (0.0 ton) case in the right torso, preventing your immediate death upon detonation of one of those missile ammo slots :)
Marauder 9M is my favorite IS Heavy so I am kinda Biased. But it is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Goooooooooood. Very simple too, usually just a couple buttons. While having Good Hitboxes and Armor, and an ECM to boot.
That Bushwhacker run was surprising when you went against the enemy Marauder and won honestly. I was impressed. I used to run a Twin UAC 10 Mad Dog for years, until balance changed so much it became ridiculously hard to put up crazy good performance, but I still remember outbrawling entire lances as the Last Man standing a few times very fondly. So seeing those weapons put up a good show on a smaller mech is nice.
Piranha is a mixed bag. On one hand it is very simple just 1 button. But it having paper armor and no Field of View because of the cockpit makes it a very specialized mech. If you can wrap your head around moving fast and evading enemy Line of Sight and fire well, its absolutely a beast. But I wouldnt necessarily call it a good Starter mech for a new player. A Firestarter 9A with 8 Small Pulse lasers functions similarly, while being way tankier, due to nice Hit Boxes and a good amount of armor, while also being able to Bring Jump Jets. And thus would be a way better Starter Light.
Have been running my 9M Marauder again lately. It's fun. It seems to get enemy players attention once they realize what mech just came to play.
Dont forget learning to abuse bolder glitches as a light.
After you get practice with the Marauder 9m in landing the MRM missiles, it's SO fun, especially with the great shots you get being off radar. Fantastic mech. I did 1200 damage one game!
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I really appreciate you uploading this video. MWO is a game I've really been wanting to try/get into for a long time and I'm finally ready to try.
Personally I wouldn't recommend a light Mech, or anything that has a XL or RACs to any new player tbh.
Hunchback 4SP (4 Medium Lasers, 2 SMRM6 with Artemis) - Still a super easy mech to handle. Zoom in with 89 kph, fire, zoom away.
Hellbringer Omni (ECM, 2 Heavy Large Lasers, 3 ER Medium Lasers) - 55 Pinpoint Damage from out of nowhere and fast enough to reposition (or run away if needed)
Runners Up:
Orion -VA (Ultra AC20, 4 SRM4 with Artemis) - If you want to slug it out close and personal. Not as fast as the other two, so it could be a bit more of a challenge, but you can trade a few punches, you got the Armor.
I'm not a new player, but it's nice to see content made with integrity
I already have too many mechs from a couple years ago when I played. Jumped back into game again and ended up buying even more mechs. Hatchetman, Bushwhacker and others. Too much fun in this game.
I appreciate the MWO video as a returning player away for a few years. Keep up the good work.
Makes me want to go back to MWO. Hop into the ol' Corsair with more RACs than I've had hot meals...
Closerange engagement was dope haha missed this game- just redownloaded
I don’t recommend inner sphere xl engine mech builds like your bushwacker because they lose one torso and they die. I remember having that same struggle/frustration when my friends told me I should put one in my black knight.
That Marauder on the other hand is one I regularly use and highly recommend. If you drop some tonnage you can add 4 small lasers which is an extra 20 dmg up close too.
Another option is to use mrm30s and a handful of er mediums. A LE 285 will get you around @ 60kph. It gets the job done.
PHX2 with 6 mlas. ECM, one weapon type, one range, lasers, runs cool, runs fast, very manoeuvrable, jumps well and spreads damage extremely well. I started my 6 year old son with this one so he could get used to kayboard and mouse controls. It's quite forgiving to new players.
We then moved on to an Urbie R80 with 3LPPC and 2 erSlas so he could practice pinpoint shots, top peeking and some jump sniping. After 2 days playing he finished his final match with 1 kill 270dmg with a total 3 kills for the weekend.
His 1st match went 0 kills 0 dmg, so he progressed enormously over a very short time (proud dad here)
When I was new I got the catapault c4. I learnt real quick how to not suck with lrms, and to carry more then just lrms. Nowdays I carry two lrms and two mrms.
You just need a buddy to spot and guard. I loved my Cat, Steel Rain. 5-10-20 lrms, heat balanced, it was eight minutes of continuous artillery barrage madness.
@@dirkwolf9463 yeah, I really need to find people to play with. Love running my dual 2x15 lrm and 2x20 mrm cat. Just bought the ppc variant too.
For my recommendations. Viper as an early feel for light mechs even though its a medium mech. Shadow Hawk or the Bushwhacker for the racs and ac. Archer or sun spider for missile boating. Laser boat should be the Hunchback and IIC.
Now that I've been introduced to the lore.
The choice is simple, steiner scouts are the only acceptable mech.
I think the Piranha-2 is a terrible starter pick; Backstabbers usually need Map Knowledge to maneuver into position and get out of danger.
You weren't even using the Loadout you said to use, with 10 Micro Pulse Lasers and 3 ER Small Lasers instead of 13 Micro Pulse Lasers, and with that armor layout newbies are likely to be back-cored by friendly fire...
I could more agree with the Bushwacker-X2, probably because you could drop a ton of UAC-10 Ammo to fit a decent medium laser backup on the Center Torso, but you are using a Marauder-9M AS A MISSILE BOAT!
A fracking Catapult can do the same thing, for HALF the price, and have Quirks that actually support vomiting Medium Range Missiles!
Seriously, you are doing the 9M a disservice if you don't have 4 large lasers on it.
I think it is the Orion 1-VA or 1-V with amazing quirks towards missile heat. That thing can carry 2xMRM40 and 2 medium Lasers. Might be worth a look for beginners, too.
I think I also would have prioritized mechs with the 50% bonus C-Bills.
For a mixed early build go Orion iic and run 3 atm 9’s and an lb 20
Good recommendations here, and I enjoy your content in general. You give good advice and that's always appreciated with this game having such a steep learning curve. Cheers!
My first mech was the Catapult K2, was a realy good choice for me☺
I'd swap out the Piranha with the Urbanmech R80 and the Marauder with the Warhammer 6R. Can't go wrong with the Bushwacker, though.
Personally, I started with the BSW X1, which can carry three RAC2s in the torsos and has a few other nice build alternatives.
The Timberwolf TBR-S and Hellbringer Prime are also good choices.
God no, I started out with the urbie and it was pain. New player btw, it just needs too many credits to be used, especially since the base engine is crap. That's a few million cbills new players don't have to waste
@@ironboy3245 The cadet bonus for new players makes swapping out the engine affordable. You just need to finish the tutorials.
And most battlemechs come with crap engines, the Urbanmech is no exception.
@@BrokenCurtain the bushwhacker's engine works just fine, as does the Incubus's. You should be recommending mechs that need minimal refits to be useful, not a light that costs as much as a medium mech
Is there a Piranha variant with the traditional machine guns? That could be fun
Great vid, you just got a new sub!
It say urbie or flea over pirahhna, piranha cockpit has terrible visabilty, and 3rd person mode sucks
As a pretty new player, the bushwacker and murder are amazing though, especially with rac/5s in the BW
What do you say about assaults? I'm having trouble finding an assault that I can actually survive and do some damage in and stay alive
Agree. The piranha is far too fragile and makes a good target if he only comes with weapons that have less than 200m optimal range. I would vote for the urbie, too.
Blood Asp is a nice beginner assault with ECM and not too slow
Bloop Asp E with 4x C-LRM15 and 4x Heavy Medium Laser
If you want a super easy premium mech. The direwolf ultra violet with 8 lbx2’s is a pub stomping monster
Just tried this today on stream :D
@@ZoniMochi oh hella dope, didja post the stream on youtube or is it on twitch?
@@aickavon On twitch, but I clipped some UV games and threw them into a TH-cam video.
@@ZoniMochi yes I saw. I noticed I was also in there with my still evolving Fafnir build! Good showing!
Warhammer 6D with around 1-2 mil c bills in augmentations:
- Add Lite-Ferro and Endo, then strip PPCs, replace with LPL or Snub PPCs
- Fill other energy slots with Med las X6 and extra SHS
- Go brawl you maniac..
The lighter the mech is, the more critical piloting skills are. New players should pick heavier mechs as first while becoming accustomed to the game and simply focus on sticking with the main force while learning the other elements of mech combat initially. An assault is far easier to play than a light.
I think more like
Medium = Crab
Heavy = Hellbringer
Light = Mist Lynx or Urban Mech
Assault = Sleipner
OR just get OmniMechs
remember case is free
Is this game well populated? I really want to get into it
Not really, but you won't have problems finding a game if you only queue Quick Play and enable all servers (which should be on by default anyway).
Faction Play, now that's dead.
Heavy and Assault should not be allowed to be played by newbies , for two main reasons, they represent vital assets in firepower / armor that a team needs to win the game with, and they carry enough firepower to seriously damage fellow team members due to friendly fire. Heavy and Assault mechs should require a minimum of rank 2 to use.
i have to disagree with you first pick, piranha's are not easy to play and certainly not for new players, if you have to pick a light mech an urbie may be the way to go
nice
I wouldnt recommend a piranha for the beginner. get a griffin. it'll wreck every game and make you learn tactics and how to protect your weapons.
XL engine Bushwacker for a new player...? Good way to get blown up fast for noobs who don't know how to avoid/spread damage.
Im surprised there are "new players" in MWO.
light mech for newbie ? realy ? kek w ))) I think 1) hunchback 2) Timberwolf 3) Hellbringer
Where is mech warrior 2 online with unreal engine 5?
Mmmmmm...
Marauder is good.
Bushwacker good, BUT IS XL Engine... For new players... Bruh. But it's good, may be Phoenix Hawk 1/1B or Uziel 3P will good with this build (see quirks).
Pirana... Light mech for new players... Only LRM can be worse :(
Urbie 4tw
Background: I'm a dedicated light jock (~30% of matches) who's consistently ~97% percentile on Jarl's List. Just to be clear that I have a little bit of an idea what I'm talking about.
I would strongly advise against new players buying *any* 20t light as their introduction to the class. 20-tonners have a much higher skill floor than most lights, just as lights in general have a higher skill floor than heavies or assaults. If someone is playing MWO as their first MW experience they're going to lack the mechanics and game knowledge required to keep it alive. 20t lights are also the most desperate for XL+ES+FF+DHS due to their extremely restricted tonnage, which makes them a much more expensive prospect than the chassis price indicates.
They also tend to be very range-restricted. You can technically run 6xML on some, but new players will cook themselves with that.
My personal pick for "I want a fast, small skirmishing light" for new players would be an OSR-4D. You can run 6xML or 6xSPL with an XL280 + extra DHS + 4JJ, or ditch some JJs for LAMS. You can even drop all the JJ and the extra DHS to fit a light engine. It's almost as fast and small as a 20t but can run a one-sided peek build with better range and more armor to boot. Other solid picks, as others have pointed out, are Wolfhounds and urbies.
BSW and MAD are both solid new player options, but after you mentioned sticking to simpler weapons in the intro I'm not sure why you're recommending a UAC-favoring BSW. You *know* new players are going to spam-click the UACs and jam constantly. Something like a HBK-4G with 2x AC/5+3t ammo, 3x ML, LFE280, and full armor isn't exactly peak tier 1 meta, but it's simple and reliable, which is what new players need while learning core mechanics.
As someone in about the same stat bracket: I completely agree. The OSR-4D is a lot less safe than my recommendations of playing longer range skirmishers (HLL Arctic Cheetah, ERLL spider) but that and the Wolfhounds are probably the best option for getting in closer.
I think if people really want to learn to circle and ankle bite they should probably watch b33f and play that locust.
Similar player here, completely agree. Knife fighting in a 20 ton is peak skill-based gameplay. Definitely not for newbies. I started in a sniping raven 3l many years ago (still effective btw, just not as great as it used to be) and slowly moved in closer. A new player should be in something can can survive a few hits, so 30 or 35 tons is what I would recommend.
I still use the Marauder 9M 3 years into the game. Mine is a little slower at 64kph but it has 5 small lasers for lights. It's a beast!
I am fond of the crab for easy medium, large laser + er medium for almost same range. Lasers are forgiving because you can adjust your aim and still get a partial burn instead of hit or miss projectile
marauder 3R is a staple for new players. 3 rac 2's and 4 med lasers. i regularly do 700 dmg in this build
I prefer multi pulse but yeah!
My answer is : 4 best mech for new players 1.Urbanmech-R80(2SNPPC+ECM) the most meta thing in this game for now 2.Dervish-6MR (2MRM30) nice brawl medium 3.Hellbringer (2HLL+6ERML+ECM) old stuff but still useful 4.Mad Cat MKII -B (2UAC10+2UAC5) classic dakka build best
This is a solid list and like the variety!
Bad idea to recommend noobs assault mechs.
@@TimberWulfIsHere generally no it’s not. they’ll do far better than in lights
@@_ghost1e there are other weight classes.
@@_ghost1e The time difference between the death of a noob light pilot and a noob assault pilot is the time they need to come to the front. The time when to die for the heavy and medium pilot noobs depends on the size and speed of their mech. The reason for their death isnt the class of the mech but their absent ability to fight and the unaviable ability to avoid enemy fire. The mech academy teaches you a lot about the keys but not to fight against other humans. In fact you know nothing about MWO after the academy. Players are fooled about in-game goals by rewarding dmg with cbills and kills are kind of a by-product of something and you get a little xp´s and a mark on a list in the cocpit. At its core, the game is only ever won by killing 12 enemies. Next, pgi says this is a teamplayer game. The random drops are not, there you have 12 enemys and 11 competitors. That means you have 12 to kill and 11 to use best for your effort. As long as the ppl wont learn/accept this reality and act corresponding, they are victims in every mech. just my 2 cents
13:57 ...And _that right there,_ newcomers, is why I prefer zombie-mechs with *Energy* hardpoints in the CT and/or HD.
The Marauder build would be producing ghost heat with 2xMRM40 so swap it out for 2xMRM30 and add some med lasers or a faster engine and small lasers.
2xMRM40 ghost heat is absolutely negligible, so you can alpha it all game
@@_ghost1e That or you can chain-fire them, sure it takes a little bit longer but you do this enough and you get an extra Alpha out on the heat savings.
EDIT: Hell I even run my twin MRM40 9M with Quad Smalls.
I think it's intimidating asking a new player to go light and face an assault
Lights are op rn
Heavy mechs are the best class since they're designed to kill medium mechs. Equal in speed but tonnage is better. Assault designed to kill everything except light mechs. Light mechs hunt light mechs and assault who have no support. Awesome is the best IS assault since it would had in lore a 20ton scout. But awesome is still one of the better. Banshee is likely the best beginner mech with a speed of 70kph it's faster than most other assault except 80tons at 75kph. Banshee is basically a Mauler at 95ton instead of 90ton and travels a lot faster.
@@lilbippy7691only because they are the "skill check". Every online game needs a skill check to keep things competitive. It only takes a couple good hits to delete a light, people just aren't very good at aiming.
Honestly it's hard not to suggest a Bushwhacker variant to new players. Everyone should own one, and a crab. They're both capable of punching WELL above their weight class in terms of raw weapons platforming, and they're both certainly tougher than they have any right to be in that weight class due to the combination of great hit boxes, relatively small profiles, and frankly just that creeping mistake everyone makes by over looking them until they've battered out heavy/assault levels of damage by the end of a round.
No back armor build for noobs? What?
Overall these are actually less friendly builds I have ever seen on youtube. Don't get me wrong, the content is decent but the advice is not.
The best mechs for new players is undoubtedly the hellbringer and stalker. The most hand held mechs in the game, but are still super strong. I would never recommend mrms to new players because that weapon system just creates bad habits. It’s really not an effective weapon system.
get an omni mech first thats the cheapest option to try the game ^^
My MAD 9M has two mrm 20s, 4 medium pulse lasers and stealth armor.
The Piranha is no good for new players, waaay to squishy, you really need to know what you're doing in that mech.
when yer 1st learnin you need to keep yer distance and learn ranges otherwise you'll get discouraged fast
I don't normally like MWO content, but this was good content.
advertising pir-2 for new players.
Found you, Satan.
Please do not follow the mech choices of this video if you’re new….
Gonna give that Marauder a try, love me some missilechonk
Can't go wrong with a Catapult, I'd say.
Great video! It’s good to see these come out periodically, especially after new mechs and meta game changes.
Sun Spider D = UAC20 , 2 light Machine Gun and LBX2...
No heat just pure Brawler with Speed and Armor!!!
Subscribed but I gotta disagree with the choices on some of these mechs.
The Marauder 75t heavy is always a good choice though for any player.
However, the Piranha in MWO is the definitive feast or famine mech. It is actually one of the most unfriendly mechs to new players whether it's played or against them.
It requires a lot of skill to play it and knowledge of movement and maneuvering. And it's anything but survivable no matter how you build it.
Also the Bushwhacker is awesome, however the X1 is a superior ballistics variant.
Also I'd let new players to know that when they first start out they may want to stay away from anything with an Inner sphere XL engine in use until they get down some basics like torso twisting and cover management.
Other than that, good to see the MwO videos increasing these days! Keep up the good work!
I enjoyed this video. Great presentation, no excess talk, just a description with good gameplay examples.
I had no clue about how the hardpoints and weapon systems worked when I first started playing, so my first mech that I bought for myself with C-Bills was a Spider-5K. All ballistics with one laser, and I wanted a laser build.
Turned out to be a blessing and a curse, the curse being I had to rely largely on short range light ballistics (the Spider is a light mech, so it can't rock heavy cannons unless you like having no armor), but the blessing being it forced me to improve my accuracy and strategy. I still had enough tonnage to equip one medium laser, so that became my little "poker" that I would use to annoy enemy players. I spent my first month or so barely making 100 damage per game, but once I learned ballistics have the highest crit percentage against unarmored components, my game started to get better and I started to get kills.
After that I could buy more mechs, and because I had gotten used to playing with such a gimped mech in the beginning, the other mechs felt like powerhouses.
Point being, a video like this would have helped lighten the learning curve considerably.
LOVE the Piranha series. Such an annoying little backstabber. My Piranha-1 has 3 heavy small lasers and 8 light machine guns, so that thing literally cuts down heavy mechs from behind.
My recommendations for beginners would be these:
Light Mech: Urbanmech series with a fast XL engine. (I know the Urbie makes people mad, but it's a damn durable light mech with 360° visibility and a fair amount of available tonnage).
Medium Mech: Viper series. Speed, weapons AND flight.
Heavy Mech: Timberwolf series. Armor, weapons, durability, and a little bit of speed.
I reapectfully disagree on the mech choice for the medium and the weapons on the heavy option. I think that the centurion would be a better learning tool for beginners due to it having a wider toolkit for weapons and its shield arm will reinforce on how to spread damage. And for the maruader i think that using something like lazers/ppc's would be a better option to teach newcomers about heat management since its overall strength can make up for mismanaged heat and still fight hard. Overall though i think the idea gets out very well
Thanks for the video! Adding my suggestions as well.
Light: Javelin with mediums or SNPPCs and jump jets.
Medium: Any hunchback or the bushie
If you want suggestions for a future Assault video I recommend the gargoyle with 8 heavy mediums mapped to two mouse buttons (4 one side of mech, 4 on other side) or the 2xAC20 Victor with a fistful of ersl on the arm to sweep for legs on lights.
They're lighter and faster Assaults and the Victor can use jump jets. They're mobile enough to make lights think twice about backstabbing you.
I use a very similar Bushwacker build except on an X1 with a 255 and an extra half ton of ammo. Nothing you could have done on that last game well played until the end.
Awesome channel for new and old MWO players. Subbed
I really don't like these recommendations. The Piranhas are all VERY high skill floor mechs that require patience and good circling. The new light mech player wants to learn battle flow and escape routes, so something that can play at 400-600m and has some armor bonuses to make it more forgiving is a much better pick. I'd suggest the ACH-Prime with 2 heavy larges, a Spider 5D with 2 ERLLs, or maybe a wolfhound or a raven with 3, though a new player may find the lack of jump jets annoying.
I definitely like your choice of medium, and the MRM vomit Marauder's not a bad pick for a heavy either, but frankly a lot of heavies will work. Anything that can play at mid range, and has good shield arms to encourage the new player to torso twist and use that torso speed is exactly what you want to teach with.
I also agree with not putting newbies in assaults.
I wouldn't recommend a knife-fighting 20 ton mech. They require mastery of situational awareness, aiming and piloting. The melee dance is something few players, even experienced ones, can pull off effectively and most players just get deleted immediately. Your other suggestions are great but for a light, something like the wolfhound or incubus are more forgiving.
Bushwacker is really good mech but my favorite is Viper. Viper is not easy to use but once you master it it is really good mech. I like to play custom Viper with 9 heavy small lazers for hit and run tactics fully utilizing my mobility.
In my opinion best mech for a new player is Hellbringer prime. Ecm + Laser Vomit and good speed.
I dont remember but I think mine has: 2 large pulse laser and 3 medium laser.
My 3 top picks for new players is Clan: Kit Fox KFX-G, Shadow cat SHC-P and Hellbringer. I.S. : Cicada CDA-3F, Enforcer ENF-5D, Marauder MAD-3R.
9:35 My NovaCat B has a skilled range of at least 1,035. No quircks for range so that's pretty decent. I have 2 of them and average well into 800 damage per match.
My first mech i decided to buy was the kcb 000b its p funn with uac5 or ac20
Older video so maybe no one will reply but what is the weapon group on that PIR? I see that group 1 fires all the lasers but what exactly is happening in group 2?
Everything feels great except The Marauder. It seems to Suffer in the DPS Department when I try to 1v1 Mechs, the other 2 are great though, Much fun
I would also suggest anything with a high velocity bonus, makes it easier to aim which can be awkward due to tank controlls.
its not really about mehcs but ppl play like noopbs go one flank yolo leave team behind and ur team lose.
any long range support with lasers and LRM, madcat II will be perfect
Replace the Piranha with the Crab 27 and I would agree with this list
These fine mech builds, but these are not really what I would suggest for beginners
How can I play with a friend I just started? It won't let me join a game with us two?
Iam running around in a flea 15 light ppc med pulse laser and med laser super fun
5:10 please don't encourage RACwackers or RAC spam in general. :(
Excellent video! thank you
Oh man I was in you're Lance
Can you post build codes? I'm trying to make these and for some reason cannot replicate them. It looks the same, but I'm violating something I can't figure out. :-)
I just noticed your Bushwhacker has a "(P)" in the name. Is that a prime variant? If so, I bought the wrong thing. LOL
Looks like a lot of fun!
Ummmm why do it look mechwarrior 5 ?
Why the kitfox wasen't here? :o