Why the Jedi Were Screwed (Even Without Order 66)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2021
- Even if Order 66 had been stopped the Jedi's public image was already in major trouble by the end of the Clone Wars.
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Until you fought against Giant space whale and jesus Armordillo
@@alternative915 such a lame way to defeat the villian
Not you again
Why do I hear the terrying theme song?...
I wish for the Episode 3 rewrite to show that Sheeve actually get it, and he ended up now about the Jedi more than Yoda who didn't left the ivory tower until it's too late.
Execute order number 9, number 9 large, number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
Big Kahuna Burger
Bigsmoke
@@TheEmpireAnimations Darth Smoke
ah Pulp fiction reference
@@BaggyGoose You smoke bloke? ;oP
It goes along with what Palpatine said, "All who have power are afraid to loose it, even the Jedi."
And those that can't spell it are even bigger losers with their looseness!
@@DMSProduktions English writing actually wasn't standardized for its entirety of use
So it was more like "eye it"
Abbles at the market to make pie
I'm an entomology enthusiast
@@VincentGonzalezVeg Still, doesn't make much of an excuse these days! It's a mistake that really should not exist as much as it does!
As for pie...mmmmmm!
The Jedi had fatal flaws and one of them was serving a corrupt and inefficient Republic. It all worked but the core was more and more rotten. But when Palpatine came around it was game over for the Jedi. Palpatine was incredible genius who placed traps within traps backed up by more traps. And the Clone Wars were an inescapable trap from which there was no escape for the Jedi.
"An inescapable trap for which there is no escape."
@@roberteischen4170 ahhh yes, the trap is made of trap
@@roberteischen4170 Technically, there is at least one escape: Address the Republic's corruption and inefficiency. In not teaching and guiding the galaxy to the light side, the Jedi Order is unable to stop the Sith from taking advantage of beings' greed, ignorance, and fear, therefore establishing the Empire.
a trap that head straight into because they ones that started the war.
"My attack on the Temple was an attack on what the Jedi have become. An army fighting for the Dark Side, fallen from the Light that we once held so dear. This Republic is failing! It's only a matter of time."
~ Barris Offee
Shame the show made NO effort to show her going from loyal student to a douchebag who was more than willing to throw her friend under the bus to save her skin
The attack on the Temple was to finally restore peace and to end the bad(the jedi)
Well done. Loved how the Clone Wars show gave so many characters a lot of interesting developments.
Arguably the best Star Wars we have ever been graced by. The 2003 series is super cool too :)
It makes me wish for a series like that set during the OT, a lot of potential there
Except windu. He's as terrible as ever
I really don’t like cartoons, but I think I might watch it now if it’s that good.
@@mclovinlife4018 Yes, it is that good. The first story arc (which took the form of a theatrical release) was a bit cringeworthy in places, but if you can get through that, the show gets better quickly. By the end of the series, you realize you haven't just seen great Star Wars, you've seen one of the great war sagas, and tragedies, of the modern era.
The Jedi were doomed because they built their temple on a dark-side focus. It was this that clouded their vision and made it easy for them to go astray.
I think this bit them in the ass as it did because they forgot that this focus even existed. If they were aware of it's existence it seems very strange that they failed to adapt or do something about it.
@@danmarusan2878 I believe that they figured that by building a temple full of Lightside users above it, it would neutralise the Darkside energy in the focus...
suffice to say; this did not work at all!
It's called a nexus, people.
big L on the Jedi for building their temple on a Dark Side Holy Site 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
6:00 The largest faction in every conflict is the "leave me alone" faction.
Makes sense, most people don’t want to get into a war unless they are directly affected.
It would appear that in the early days of the Republic, the Jedi were looked to in order to resolve disputes. It appears that is was the Republic who became too dependent upon elite "Warrior monks"
To be fair the last major war the Jedi and Republic arguably fought, the same one Darth Bane fought in, lasted about a thousand years and was treated as a Galactic Dark Age. With the Sith supposedly dead, Finis Valorum's ancestor dismantled the military as a symbol for peace. Not saying it was a good idea to dismantle it completely and rely on the Jedi near 24/7 but I get why a lot of people would be hesitant to go to war again...
@@johnnygyro2295 Dismantling the military and relying on the Jedi was a mistake.
Jedi should have stayed as Ambassadors and Intermediators. They had no place in a conventional war.
Yet the KOTOR games showed that the Jedi were once combat-oriented as much as they were mediators/peacekeepers. But then again with the constant fights they had the Sith they had to be.
Children’s show: more intricate political intrigue and subterfuge than most adult content
This what happens when the writers love what they are writing and put in an appropriate amount of effort.
The Republic was the Jedi's main weakness.
The Sith did well to discover+ exploit that weakness.
The Jedi allowed many evils to go unchecked because pf the corrupted Republic.
They lost their way the day they agreed to serve the Republic.
But what course should they chose? Become a eutral or limited to only self defense institution? They would be as useful as the UN is in our world, without any real action, only nice words and philosophy. Chosing a side was necessary fot them to have any real meaning in the galaxy.
@@leonardobroza6298 : The original purpose of the Jedi Order was to protect the people. Not the government.
In the Clone Wars, from the point of view of the people on the Separatist side, the Jedi were defending a corrupt government against the people.
After the Ruusan Reformation, the Jedi gave up their independence and effectively made themselves a part of the government, and became involved in its politics.
@@leonardobroza6298 No. They allow their members to interact with the Republic+ galaxy at large.. Those members would even obey the rules+ laws set by each government, and even allow themselves to be tried/convicted/sentenced by said government.
But, just as they did in SWTOR, they should have kept their main headquarters on a separate planet. This acts as it's own independent government.
They would have no problems with people seeking their help in resolving conflicts.
But this form of Jedi ultimately serves justice, and not some corrupt politician .
It's kind of what Luke did when he reformed the Jedi order in the EU.
@@timonsolus And were the separatists any better in any way? Through the Republic they could be able to defend the people from both sides, even if those on the CIS didn't see it as so. And episode 2 more then proves that the Jedi can t fight without a army.
@@dustinmaxwell259 I understand that this might be optimal, but considering that most of the systems were part of the republic anyway we would end in a situtation very similar by the time of the clone wars had the Jedi accepted to help the Republic in the fight against Sith backed separatists.
So early that Walt Disney still had control over the company
Yeah
His ghost controls it like palpatine so no worries
Not early
Palpatine wanted order, but his Master wanted to revel in pure chaos and that's what Jar Jar Binks did
Plagueis never died: He used the dark side to transfer his essence into Jar Jar Binks. Change my mind!
@@lord2.0works I can't!
Jar Jar Binks is a clown with a lot of hate of who he is. It doesn't matter how many dark plots you attach, it doesn't change people made him that way. So he can't be himself, people cut it out of him and use it as joke.
Why is Yoda holding Mace head like that?
lol
mmmmm smooth, unbelievably this is
He likes Mace Windu's bald head. "As smooth as baby's bottom this bald head is. Enough of this I can`t get".
@@danmarusan2878 Yoda, gay he is! Ooohoo hoo hooo!
the Jedi were screwed the moment they got in bed with the Senate.
Yoda said it best in the Revenge of the Sith novel: the Jedi lost the Clone Wars before they began. The Sith and their own dogmatic arrogance and blind allegiance to the Republic let them sleepwalk their way to near extinction.
The thumbnail tho 😂
The Jedi were screwed when Palpatine became chancelor. If they found out Sidious's true identity in episode 1 they could have stopped everything: No clone wars, no order 66, no galactic empire, no galactic civil war.
Sidious knew the Jedi's philosophy, their code and therefor their weaknesses. Through his political skills he could manipulate every single event to his advantage.
When the Jedi became generals in the clone wars he could portay them as war mongers, if they want to solve the clone wars diplomaticly he could portay them as cowards and if they refused to fight he could portay them as traitors.
Also, Palpatine sealed the Jedi Order's doom so effectively that even if Mace Windu assassinated him, the Jedi would be wiped out by the CIS. The latter would win victorious galactic influence by accusing the Republic as a Jedi oligarchy. Palpatine's death at the hands of Jedi would be tremendous momentum for CIS leaders.
The Jedi were blinded by them thinking they could simultaneously have oversight and be invested i´n wars. This just has to go wrong!
There was also the developing PR about the one who appeared to be doing the selfless devotion to securing the Republic and had the backing of so many of the masses, which was Palpatine.
I would like to find out more about the knives used by Hunter and Wrecker in The Bad Batch. Those knives were strong enough to pry open sealed doors and yet finely edged to the point of slicing droids with seemingly ease. Also, why do they have what appear to be glowing segments in those blades?
Vibroblades
The thumbnail is hilarious 😂
Palpatine: So manipulation be like
The jedi order, their downfall and their relationship to the republic is reminiscent of the Knights Templar who suffered their own order 66 centuries ago.
Anyone else think that after the urge of the Jedi Temple with Order 66 that if they were nearby they would also go in and collect as many lightsabers and blasters as possible and become a Black Market dealer? I would.
So the Jedi were the least equipped to lead a war, and they did command a lot of missions that had heavy losses. But for the most part, their lives were on the line with the clones, and I guess the force helped a bit with some extreme successes. I think that would garner respect within a warrior race. A sort of innocence and fierceness to tue clones.
Yes, in some cases, Jedi also being on the front lines did engender some respect. One issue might be the Jedi-Clone command structure. For example, how would you feel if you received years of combat and tactical training, yet even the Jedi Padawans outranked you...?
We can compare the Downfall of the Jedi Order in The Clone Wars to the Fall from Unity of the Avengers during A enters: Civil War.
The Sakovian Accords, that were meant to bring oversight, codes of conduct and responsibility for the Avengers, was not accepted by all of it's members, who each had their own ideals and ways of dealing with conflict. Many considers themselves civilians, though superpowers, but civilians none th less, and refused to accept being placed under military authority and rules.
The Jedi began as much the same way. The were specially skilled civilians, who's purpose was to protect the civilian populace from threats of subjugation and death. This is how the new galactic Chancellor Palpatine (aka Sith Lord Darth Sidious) convinced the Jedi to command the Grand Army of the Republic.....to 'protect' the Galaxy from the threat of the Separatists and their droid army (which he and his apprentice Darth Lord Tyrannus aka former Jedi Count Dooku created/commanded). This put a civilian/religious body in a military role they were untrained for. Mistakes and mishaps that put civilians at risk were bound to happen (planned and expected by the Sith) to undermine the public confidence in the Jedi. It made it easy to make the Jedi appear corrupt and threatening to the Republic.
Interesting job synthesizing different ideas and concepts, would you say then that the very concept of the Avengers were bound to fail? They're more of a private para-military company, than a religious body.
If the Jedi would have taught students to control and harness their emotions, Anakin might not have fallen to the dark side. Which could have stopped order 66.
They do. Thats apart of being a Jedi. Anakin just don't listen. Jedi can keep there cool bevause they are in control of there emotions. Anakin has this problem.
It’s funny, Kenobi said that “Only a Sith deals in absolutes”, the entire Jedi Code is an absolute. Instead of believing in no emotion, they should learn that there is balance in having emotion - but to harness it for good.
@@ThereMayBeLions Exactly!!
Cool Myron The Jedi taught their students to suppress their emotions.
@@CoolMyronno they didn't lol.
The Jedi Order "control" their emotions by bottling them up. It only takes basic knowledge of human mental health to know that is not an acceptable way of dealing with your feelings and emotions, and that it actually makes them more vunerable to the Dark side of the Force by making them more emotionally unstable, have ever noticed that most Sith tend to be emotionally unstable themselves?
If the Jedi Order really did taught Anakin how to properly managed his emotions, they would've told him that his emotions were normal, get him therapy, allow him and other Jedi to form attachments, and brought his mother from slavery to help Anakin ease his fears.
It's not that Anakin didn't listen to the Jedi Order, it's because the Jedi Order is very bad at teaching it's members on how to manage their emotions, on top of being incompetant which caused Count Dooku, Barris, Ashoka, and eventually Anakin himself to lose faith in the Order.
Every single War the Jedi were part of was a trap to destroy them. Seriously in legends the Jedi kept walking into Sith tricks to destroy them in a war. Only rarely did the Order have leaders who kept to core principals of the Jedi, like Jedi Sentinels did. Who saw the traps for what they were, for instance. The Jedi leadership saw the Mando Wars as trap against them, the just didn't know by who.
So they should have stood there and let the galaxy get torched by the Mandalorians? Seems less a case of Jedi being "tempted by traps" and more a case of Jedi not learning by their own teachings to control their darker impulses, so they can serve their proclaimed goal of serving the Republic while not being cowards nor fallen Jedi.
Even if mace windu killed palpatine the jedi would be doomed because the public would thought the jedi are commiting high treason againts the republic
Very much indeed. The CIS would win over the public for fear of a Jedi oligarchy and eventually eradicate the Jedi via the droid army.
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Odd that Dooku slaughtered Fetts people but they still ended up working together
I absolutely agree with you. Obviously, the Jedi Order never deserved for Palpatine to execute Order 66, Darth Vader, or the Empire. However, even without them, Yoda had fucked them over in his desperation to avoid conflict, and everyone else was too afraid to say no.
With no army to enforce your decrees how could the Senate work at all... I never understood that. I'm surprised the separtist movement didnt happen sooner. The Jedis role in the Republic is really vague and I don't think they even knew what it was. Are they above the Senate and can change it at will or do they serve the Senate? They needed to be clear on that.
Jedi's have to big EGO.
They should have never become commander’s for the war….
Lol Why is Yoda holding mace windus head like that in the thumbnail
Late life crisis
I’ve been thinking about the Jedi deserving order 66 especially after playing Jedi Survivor. Some of the Jedi were weak-minded and by the time of the fall of the republic they were full of hubris, arrogance and ignorance. It’s funny that after a minor inconvenience they are quick to turn to the dark side. I’m excluding the inquisitors because they were tortured, but I think of Dagan Gera, Bode, Quinlan Vos, Taron Malicos, Ferren Barr and many others. I just think of how easy it is for them to turn because I feel like they didn’t really believe in the doctrine the Jedi taught
Oh, they believed in the doctrine all right. The only problem is that it amounted to nothing more than bottling up their emotions which turned them into powder kegs waiting for a spark to set them off
Perhaps they may have deserved it if the Galactic Empire was democratic and stable. But the tyrannical nature of the Empire negated any of their policies imo.
Its hard to tell as honestly peace would have given them time to fix the situation and they easily could have promoted the senior clones with good track records to replace the Jedi as commanders after the war ended
Order 66 fails: jar jar ignites his crimson saber “you have failed me for the last time palpy”
I liked the episode where they rescue tarkin and we finally get to see him discuss his views with anakin.
You must also take into consideration that Palpatine and Hego Demask had been working in the Senate against the Jedi. Even before Hego Demask found and trained Palpatine he was influencing the Senate which at the time was a governing body that solve issues and helped certain weaker sectors in the benefit of the Rest of the Republic. The Russan reformations only took the Jedi's power away to govern and to self govern and fund their order.
This puts them under the direct control of the Republic Senate and not part of their Judicial branch or diplomatic corps. They continue to train for battle with a foe that had been defeated instead of serving the people as a charity organization like there service corps. There should have been no knights, except possibly the Temple Guard, left. Being funded now solely by the Republic they have to listen to the Senate. This gave the hidden Sith an in that through direct or indirect influence in the Senate the Jedi were reduced in size from the several million to have a Jedi on every planet to the mere Ten thousand at the start of the clone wars. They were warriors without a foe. Diplomats with their voices silenced. And blinded by the Dark side and their traditions. Had both Palpatine and Hego Demask died in that cave in then the Republic would have continued on for Millenia until a new Sith Order rose.
Their budget was controlled the Senate, they were given their missions by the Senate, who was ruled by the ones with the biggest pocket book. Sidious and Plagueis slowly over time changed the rules of how the Jedi were allowed to operate. They were the ones that caused Galidraan and The Huk and Kahleesh war the stark hyperspace war and dozens of other issues and wars and atrocities and made sure the Jedi did not question their intel. They had to follow orders that had turned against their morals. This goes back several hundred years to the Mandalorian Excision.
Even that far back the Sith were influencing the Jedi or they did it themselves.
Wookiepedia
738 BBY
The Mandalorian Excision or Annihilation occurs after Mandalore refuses to join the Republic in the wake of the Ruusan Reformation. The damage lasted for centuries, with entire sections of Mandalorian worlds remaining barren deserts.
350 BBY
The Trade Federation is created to regulate commerce in the Outer Rim.
124 BBY
The Senate approves two significant and related pieces of legislation. One declares the Outer Rim Territories a free-trade zone exempt from taxation, and the other extends the definition of functional constituencies entitled to representation in the Senate to guilds and corporations.
The Jedi had the same problems as the Templars did in their era of our own history. For most of the same reasons. If the Jedi were bankers, too, the comparison would be obvious. Too obvious.
the jedi were stuck between a rock and a hard place. it’s great seeing them in the high republic because we get to see them operate in a setting that doesn’t screw them over no matter what choice they made
Great video!
They were hypocrites and fools.
"We will take battle to whoever challenges us," -Atris (paraphrased)
"You lust for battle, and you fed the mandalorians hunger for it. Tou defied the council by going to war." -Also Atris (paraphrased, of course, I cant remember the exact quotes)
Well, that was the plan. Make it so there was no move that wouldn't lead to their downfall & to a new Sith empire. They couldn't choose either the Republican or the Separatists, and if they didn't choose then the winner (or both) would turn on the Jedi & massacre them.
4:08 * General Grievous has entered the chat *
Video idea: why didn’t the separatist make more of the malevolence type ships with the energy blast. Yeah the quick answer is probably cost but the video could go more in depth and explore other reasons.
Sheev said no it wasn't a war it was a large scale stage play. Designed to cause fear so he could seize power in a legal manner. The only "side" in the Clone Wars was Sheev Palpatine.
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Eh, people on a societal level in our world have a very fickle memory.
It is probably the same in the Star Wars Universe and so, personally I think without Order 66 the Jedi’s image would have cleaned up within a few years if in this universe there was no Sith plot.
Separatist worlds may not forgive them but Republic Worlds would.
However, if Palpatine had been revealed as a Sith and killed, I find it likely the Jedi would have been turned on by the Republic govt to save face. They’d have blamed everything on the Jedi and questioned what the real difference was between Jedi and Sith.
In the end the Jedi wouldn’t have been attacked but I suspect they would be forced off of Coruscant.
Why is there sunlight in the background it's painful I haven't seen sky in so long
I always thought it was weird that the Jedi were immediately promoted to Generals to lead the Grand Army of the Republic. Warrant Officers or Specialist perhaps, but they would have to prove themselves in order to lead troops into combat. Members of the High Council should be made into Generals because they are leaders of the order and hold a high position in the Republic Hierarchy, but not regular Jedi.
Even without palpatine order 66 and the empire the jedi order still hated by the public
Hutts or Chiss rule the galaxy in that case.
Yoda In the thumbnail had me dying
Lol why yoda holding windu’s head in the thumbnail
Video idea . ranking of the members of the bad batch from most powerful to least powerful.
Seems to be that if the Jedi hadn't amde a move against Palpatine they would of eventually been ousted anyway. They were doing a very good job of making themslves look bad even with out Palpatines influence, like Grevious said they were all doomed.
"Jedi listen take this lesson in exchange for my life. You can't trust the order or the republic, you may be there hero now but they will abandon you too remember that...."
Parkanis
Two Questions: What is the Purpose/Job of a Jedi? What is it that they are supposed to do?
Learn to listen to the Force? And then follow where the Force takes you and act so that the Force flows smoothly?
Good. We will watch your career with great interest.
Peacekeepers? The Jedi order has always been the republic's secret police.
Peace through strength.
If we swapped Palpatine for any other Chancellor, I think Order 66 would have still been programmed into the minds of the Clones due to the Jedi's unfortunate disaster that is their reputation.
It should be more like the Jedi were screwed even with the chosen one.
Which chosen one Palatine's granddaughter or son?
@@zilari3662 Granddaughter? He didn't have a granddaughter. Can you imagine if they tried to make a set of movies about that? They'd probably suck so hard.
@@markuhler2664 A clone father that is an offspring of Sidious DNA so.......Don't give Darth Mickey any ideas might just make it a new movie....
Funny how the Jedi got put into a position to be blamed for every thing that went on even when their own temple got bombed. It is like people just wanted to blame someone other than their own useless representatives.
They pouched themselves by not spending time with the common folk and seeing the corruption
Wow. Amazing view out ur window. 😍
So we're not going to talk about the thumbnail?
Yamree have the nickname the huk meaning soulless bugs
lack of competition
Which bred aragogance pride goeth before the fall.
Thanks.
Well, Order 66 was only just one alternative.
Notification squad line up
(7:48) The protest wasn't that big.
Why does yoda have his hands around mace windu (who is a hindu) head lie He wants to crack his neck?
I believe Order 66 was Palpatine's direct response to the Jedi finding out that he was Darth Sidious. Kind of a 'knee jerk' reaction of a backup plan if you will.
Had the Jedi not found out and things went on the way Palpatine planned, I imagine that the Republic itself would have taken the Jedi down and blamed them for all their problems.
I doubt it. I think Palpatine would have triggered Order 66 towards the end of the Clone Wars regardless of the Jedi's knowledge of his Sith identity. He wanted to defeat them more than anything else at that point. He would have even executed Anakin if need be, to pursue his own quest for immortality.
Video on stun rounds when?
What city is that?
👍
Hudson River?
By fighting at all, the Jedi lost - from the Ep. 3 novelization.
The fact that count dooku was a former Jedi & join the cis may have already ruin the Jedi imagine.
After what happened to Ahsoka, the Jedi Order needed to understand that magic monks and galactic governments don't mix well together. But no. They just practically stood by and waited like sitting ducks for the brainwashed clone troopers to shoot at.
"Anti war protestors" is a funny way of spelling "enemy combatants"
The People of Jabiim suffered because of the Galactic Republic and the Jedi's inaction !!
Which is very sad and tragic :(
This video makes me understand why Palpatine's Empire gained so much support... In its earliest days
Like the former Soviet Union, the Jedi Order would have collapsed under their own weight and imploded even without Sith interference. Palpatine was just having fun.
0:05 Sounds like hes confused on if his name is actually Alan lmao
Alan???
Nice
I blame public opinion.
Tbf the Jedi deserved the bad pr they got
Well, without order 66 they wouldn't have been shot bits at least.
Palpatine took a lot of steps to ensure the downfall of the Jedi Order. If one didn't go so well, the others would ensure the success of the Sith.
'Sissum'??
Maybe Anakin should have stayed home with his mom until he was 18. At least he’d have some semblance of a normal life until he heads out into the galaxy.
I'm fairly early today
Without Palpatine or Order 66, they still going to be hunted down by anyone anyway.
Baris offee became the very thing she hated
Jedi was some of the biggest failures in story leeing once they agree to sign paperwork to get rid of the army and army training and to believe the sith were no more that had to be the start of the sith raise
The Jedi to the republic is kinda like the CIA, FBI combined.