Just like in the episode, a lot of people don't understand it. Heck, there are people who think soldiers are stupid. It was memed when on this channel, they were discussing the IQ test and how dumb it was, one of the guests, a girl, forgot some details about her, shook her head when the other guests said they saw the one who is a US trooper as the real smart one.
It’s something I kinda understand and relate to. While I have never served in the military. Because I’m too young and I’m still in school, I feel a extreme calling to it and I know that when I graduate from high school if not the military then there will be nothing else in this world for me. Sometimes it’s just that calling. Maybe you have the skills or would be better suited for something else but it’s that calling that drives you, that shapes you. And if you can’t grasp that part of you and hold on to it well as Obi Wan said “well then you are lost!”
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Unless you have brass nuts/tits and feel like dealing with the government weekly with medical expenses and other BS…don’t do it kid. Trust me. I served in the US Army for 8 years, and it got me nowhere with education, a job opportunity afterwards…or anything useful really. The government is very “choosy” on who gets what benefits. Before you ask, it’s not about race or anything like that. I was an E-5 (Sergeant), honourably discharged, and have a few coins and other “rewards” from my time in. Sorry to be such a downer, I just wanted to make sure you have a clear understanding of what you’re getting into. To end on a good note, I will say that I have met the greatest people in my life throughout my stint. I hope this helps, have a great day.
@@tylerlabombard9092 why does everyone think I’m going into this thinking it’s all gonna be great and glorious. I’m aware it’s gonna suck I’m aware of the issues with the military, I’m aware I’ll probably hate it afterwards. But…I hate pretty much everything else so I’d rather just in the future maybe hate something I liked rather then just hate something I already hated. Atleast then I would have gotten some small satisfaction out of existence.
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion I’m just trying to help, bub. I’m not trying to discourage you. I’m just trying to make sure that you understand the cons of it because no one understands what they are getting into. And honestly, with the president we’re under now it might be a completely frilly little wonderland of snowflakes, sunshine, and rainbows. 😂😂
In the Clone Wars, Padme was thinking about the Clones. Saying they're living beings along with in her speech about the refugees, she talked about supporting the Clones in peace time. Chuchi took the baton after Padme's death.
If you count TCW's 2003 predeccesor, The 'Clone Wars' which was vastly different but gave the stepping stones for TCW (Ventress, Rex was supposed to be an Alpha ARC Trooper), then it could be 20 years from a certain point of view.
One point: Unlike the clones, the Jedi could leave the order or transfer to the service corps anytime they wanted other than perhaps in a battlefield.Not that there weren't factors keeping them in like financial security, psychological pressure, and risk of going dark, but they were allowed to leave. If a clone wanted to quit, like Cut Lawquane, they would face desertion charges.
I suggest you read the Republic Commando novels by Karen Traviss, she explores what exactly awaits clones who don’t want to fight for the Republic anymore.. Spoiler The Republic sics literal assassination squads on them to kill them, like rabid and disobedient dogs. It is horrible.
'financial security'? lol jedi didn't get paid. And while we don't see it in the show, I wouldn't be surprised if Jedi would be arrested for leaving via desertion as well as the clones. By this point in history the laws had been subtly, consistently altered placing Jedi completely under the oversight of the judiciary and then Palpatine due to war time powers acts being passed in the senate. By the end of the war Palpatine legally was in control of the entire Order, which he never should have been.
The warriors created to betray their own commanders eventually got discarded by the Emperor and betrayed by the galactic masses. It's almost poetic, if you ignore how tragic this is. I guess despite their sacrifices, the clones were ultimately seen as relics deemed obsolete and living reminders of a horrible war that made everyone more miserable. After all, clones were birthed by machines and most likely had their faces covered in the presence of civilians, which could make even humans struggle to empathize with the clones as fellow sentient beings. At least people were made aware that Stormtroopers are their fellow citizens underneath all that sterile armour.
It's just like you said I used to be a young boy when the Clone Wars came out It was amazing, seeing those brave soldiers defeating Clankers, cracking jokes, shooting and driving tanks Then I grew up a little bit and wanted to become soldier myself. Badass Special Forces. But I started to understand the politics in Clone Wars, I started to listen to what's happening in the world. How actually world works. And then I grew up even more. If not for a fact that you're just an asset, being a soldier would be actually pretty cool. Shooting targets, blowing up stuff, parachute jumping. But you're just a tool that can be sent to another part of the world to "defend freedom" in a land that you first have to attack before defending it, introducing invigilation before the so called freedom may come. And it never comes. Because it's all for our safety. And no one will care if you die. You family will care. Your brothers in arms will care. Maybe someone in your country will care. Higher ups won't. Clone Wars is an amazing series. And fucking scary when you actually realize what's happening in OUR world...
This is such a true statement. As a veteran myself, I can attest to this. When I was getting out, I had a week of mostly reading about how to adjust to living, & readjustment to the civilian world. Talk about training trial by fire style. None of it would prepare me for what I was up against. Luckily, for many veterans, they are constantly thinking on the fly when it comes to adapting, & overcoming a situational shit-show. For those not so lucky, there’s alcoholism, drug addiction, homelessness, ‘ of course the elephant in the room no one will discuss, suicide.
@@bryanmiller8604 I may not you but I just want to say that I appreciate whatever you did in the military. Even though I doubt I'd join the military myself I've always appreciated the hard work all the men and women do for this country.
Not really. Not at least with the comparison of young adults fighting in wars vs clones. Maybe the Putin thing, but outside of Russia most places have either a volunteer age or conscription age of starting at 17 with 18 being the close second.
The Clone Troopers were highly respected and decorated in the Galactic Empire as veterans of the Stormtrooper Corps being the best of the best in EU Legends. Even then, they were phased out but slowly and gradually for years until becoming a small minority, not instantly replaced the moment the Clone Wars ended.
Well they're not being rapidly phased out here either. It's stated by Chuchi in the episodes that each clone will finish their term of service (approx 10 years, 20 for the last batch of clones with at least one clone being in imperial service in the new cannon in 1ABY, albeit in his final year). But it's what happens to them after that service ends which is the issue, and that lack of a retirement plan will then be grandfathered into the stormtrooper corp.
This is one of the outlying things that actually works well in Disney's version. The original idea of clones just naturally shifting out of deployment in favor of cheaper soldiers makes a lot more logical sense, but with Palpatine actually controlling that, it does fit his personality to just view clones as trash or leftovers after their original purpose was done. The older story still works better, because while he would certainly not care about clones, he's still a smart character and should recognize that using the already available clones who still want to keep their jobs is a lot more useful that rapidly replacing them. It also works better to use with more story, because you have more room to write certain clones as being more imperial, while others see it for what it is and want no part of the empire. That dichotomy is almost totally gone if the writing says that all clones are forcibly phased out.
Except that Palpatine was paranoid as hell , and for good reason since he'd screwed the galaxy over, so he didn't really trust that his attack dogs wouldn't turn on HIM some day. So, he basically gave them the Old Yeller treatment. Though he did keep a few around here or there to train Stormtroopers /carry out difficult assignments.
Anyone else find it kind of amazing that we manage to get so much interesting story, plots and analysis from stuff stemming from the Prequels while the Sequels have basically given us nothing. Ironic given how much people hated the Prequels way back when.
Party because now the gen that grew up with and liked the prequels have a voice, also partly because the prequel era has so much development potential. For all the faults of the films the world building was the best of the 3 trilogies by far
Fans who were 10-20 years old when the original trilogy was released regarded the prequels with just as much disdain as the fans who were 10-20 years when the prequels were released regard the sequels. In time, the sequels will come to be admired by the current generation of 10-20 year olds, provided their opinions are not tainted by older fans of the other trilogies.
That's because the sequels got shat on But instead of fixing them, they decided to go backwards to the prequels and OT The best we got is the Mandalorian slowly connecting things up to the sequels
It’s videos like these that remind me why Generation Tech is one of my favorite channels on TH-cam. Alan has a way of getting a message across that not only pertains to a fictional universe far far away, but one where we can look at ourselves and learn to become better.
I remember many people thinking that using clones was a stupid creative decision on Lucas’s part. I remember RLM commenting that a story about droids fighting clones stripped the emotion from the conflict and make people not care about the story. Almost 20 years on all I can say is what hell that they know about story telling or moral ambiguity.
I love that scene with Yoda and the clones because not only did Yoda demonstrate that the Jedi were not the clones and actually treated the clones like individuals but he taught the clones themselves that big word unique individuals with unique personalities. I love a lot of the starwars Universe especially the animated stories & the clones will always be some of my favorite characters
I wonder how many of those clones joined the Rebellion as a middle finger to the Empire that discarded them. I like to think that the rebellion had some training from a defected clone to be able to stand up against the empire for as long as they did before a magical farm boy from Tatooine destroyed the first Death Star.
Look at how Vets are treated when they come home. And how society treats them. For me parts of me like others never came home. We are still with our brothers and sisters that never made it home.
what you say about young kids in the military....strikes a chord in me...after my 1st tour my 2nd unit was being stood up fresh...for weeks only E4's with combat patches and exp were in charge till our first crop of NCO's showed up....the naivete of the kids fresh from boot was astounding. Especially the ones that thought they knew it all cause they played Call of Duty and were sure they could kill another human first time out. On the battlefield though....those ones especially were the ones ppl like me had to yell at, grab, jump on, or otherwise somehow get them to move or save their ass when shit hit the fan. Those same ones were the quickest to wise up and become better soldiers of course if they survived their 1st or 2nd firefight.
What's even sadder is that every cloned that died from Geonosis to order 66 died in the belief that their death meant that the Republic would live and that maybe even they themselves would become citizens of said Republic. As tragic as their deaths were they were in this case the lucky ones. The clones were never gonna be the returning WW2 Style veterans with open arms and bottles of champagne waiting for them. Instead they got the Vietnam war treatment in that despite doing what they were need to do they still got the cold shoulder from citizens and it would really only be years later that they would be truly appreciated for their service. That just makes the Clones story even more tragic.
Well said bro well said .... Stars wars is a hit story because deep down it's a reflection of our human society ... Like you said in the real world Young men fight in wars started by older men... Young people face the economic hardships of policies that unfairly favoured the older generation.... May we never sacrifice the ability to think critically on the alter of sentiments, tribalism ,racism or ideological differences ....
One thing I don't hear people talk about enough is how the more civilization develops the slower it is at doing things. I mean actual things. Bureaucracy slows things down hella.
As Achilles said in Troy: “Imagine a king who fights his own battles.” Instead kings and modern leaders sent and still send younger individuals into battle over land and resources, religious differences, or general political reasons.
Dude the prequel era is such a strong example of bad and good ethics and a lesson on not granting your government leadership too much power in a crisis. Man Lucas and the creative team had a strong vision back in the day. Also, you did a great job making the effort to relate Star Wars and the lessons it shows to our modern world and the questions and thought processes we need to have. It is essential to make sure a consensus or idea is yours or if it is from another person you have looked into it and not just decided on a whim or social media post.
This is why I keep saying that the BB should not be using stun rounds against the Empire and should be using lethal force along with aiding the Rebellion not going on their pointless filler adventures. This is why I was so happy seeing Echo leave to help Rex cause that actually made sense and was a legit good reason to make a difference.
This commentary is so spot on with what is happening in not only the US but around the world today. So many people are no longer thinking for themselves. Thank you for posting this.
I love this channel. Not only do we get great star wars lore deep dives, but also how our fav franchise can relate to the real world, and the impetus to think more.
They were pawns in the beginning, only to serve Palpatine's purpose of establishing a new order and eliminating the Jedi. He could care less about them or any one for that matter. The same with the droids of the confederacy.
You almost got into something interesting when going over why we have to make ethics so complicated while we knew since a child what ethics are. This is because of control. The people in charge of us, wants to make ethics as complicated as possible just so that changing society or controlling a government will look more complicated than it actually is. This will make it seem out of reach for most people, and most people don't think they are smart enough and leave it to politicians, CEOs and other higher ups "because they are more educated, they know better what they are doing than me right?" While the reality is that anyone works knows what is best for their job. The higher ups likes to divide power into layers and layers and make it as difficult as possible for you as someone below them to get anything done, just to demotivate you from even trying.
I used to think the same way as you. I thought, well certainly right and wrong isn't that hard, of course everyone knows. Then I went to college and met a wider circle of people than I had previously interacted with, and I realized that it isn't that easy for some people. There are a lot of grey areas, people who have been taught wrong ideas and ethics growing up, and then there are unfortunately people out there who don't believe in ethics or care about doing the right thing, and those people only follow the rules and do ethical things because they have to to get somewhere in society. Society has and must continue to put a lot of effort into coming to a shared set of ethics and what is right, since there are a select few people who can do a lot of harm if there wasn't a system in place to discourage "wrongdoing." Hence why there are so many scholars, bureaucrats, ect. who dedicate their lives to trying to figure this stuff out. That said, it should be up to each one of us to contribute to the pool of understanding ethics, government, and deciding what is right for society, and I agree that there are people out there who want to discourage us from thinking for control purposes, and we must always reject this
@@kylekohlmeyer1087 well I more believe in that those people you mentioned are symptoms of our current society's shortcomings rather than society taking this approach because these people exist
Another fine example of fiction holding a mirror to real life and our current and ongoing issues. I continue to be very impressed with your work, Alan. I particularly enjoyed your observations concerning ethics near the end. Your channel has become my go-to for the Star Wars universe. Thanks.
Your videos are always fantastic for the content we all love in the fictional galaxy, but you bring to life the subconscious comparisons some of us make, but can't articulate. Thanks Alan. Keep using your platform to spread great, unbiased, and morally positive messages. For the Republic. For Democracy.
Allen, I love your philosophical takes on the show. It is one of the many things that sets you apart from the myriad of other channels that cover Star Wars content
I tried what you did, Alan. I tried to form my own political opinion. And my only conclusion is destruction of the society. Also, Geetsly's can tell you what droids behaved as such, Alan. Because they've been upgraded from Central Command Computer to be able to independently function on their own. But without the Tactical Droids to strategize and tell them what to do, thinking of multiple things on their own are such pains in the butts that resulting in them developing emotions and personalities.
as a human clone I fully appreciate the sensitive reading of clone discrimination that the 'bad batch' has made. I have often found myself 'written' off by employers as 'the same' or 'similar' to other clones. In truth, I am a human being like everyone else, with hopes and dreams of my own.
Did anyone else catch the continuity error in the latest episode? A "disgraced Kaminoan Senator"...... think back to Episode II, when Obi-Wan asked Dexter about the saber dart. "I'm not familiar with the system, is it in the Republic?" To which the answer was, "No, it's beyond the Outer Rim."
Years ago when I went to the D-Day Museum in New Orleans (now the WW2 Museum) . They had a little movie running in the front that they suggested people watch before going through the museum. I was by far the youngest person there, most were WW2 veterans. Well, they, the US military, purposely chose the youngest and smartest guys to hit the beach. If they were seasoned troops knowing they would have to hit a fortified beach, they probably would not have got on the boats, second they had to account for the tides to bring the landing craft as far in as possible. There was a storm that nearly messed up the time table. Eisenhower made the decision to ride in on the end of the storm. Those guys on the boats were all sea sick, sick as dogs, and they just wanted off those boats. One survivor was interviewed, he said the sergeant told them that only a couple of that boat load would survive the landing. Everyone one of those guys looked around and thought "OH you poor SOBs". Thinking they would be the one to survive. That guy was the one who made it. Youth and enthusiasm meets old age and treachery.
Thank you! Not only making amazing star wars content but also advocating for deep thought and critical thinking. I too realize the more and more people are reliant on others opinions. It really makes life difficult as you are always talking to the same person with the same views, and is like conversing with a brick wall.
Theres endless star wars channels online but none quite like allen. Your way of thinking about it is so far beyond others its refreshing to see the way you see starwars content. Nobody will ever replace you Allen your the shiznit dawg
I see it as a reflection of our society. People love the troops as long as they’re out there winning battles and seem bad ass. Let a soldier, sailor, marine, or airman come home and need help or support. A fair number of us went in at 17, not 18 or 19. This is a good call to be involved and examine ones responsibilities to be informed and make decisions and take action through voting and volunteering with organizations that support your views and goals.
An absolutely brilliant take as always, especially the similarities within our worldly societies that you mentioned, the need to sympathise with Frontline Soldiers, many of whom are kids and the need to engage in one's Nation's Politics. At the end of the day, Lucas's Star Wars is a cautionary tale about the dangers of Moral and Political Apathy in Society and we indeed should take notes. PS, this Channel is still one of the most underrated ones on TH-cam and I am just really glad that I found you early and saw this community grow here in the comments section.
I really really enjoyed this episode. The question of morality and internal compass and how it connects back to our own world struck a chord. Well said!
great video! i appreciate how you always showcase the importance of political messaging in star wars. it’s such an incredible franchise and it’s instilled some of my strongest values from a young age, and it’s always a little sad that people don’t see how importance the messaging of star wars is. the clones are human like you and me, and their tragedy is one of the things that’s basically guaranteed to make me cry. but it’s really not just a story, there’s monsters in the real world who are sending their incredible youth to die on some battlefield, and it makes me so fucking angry that some people will ignore that fact and try to excuse war
That's how I realized the Jedi order was no longer worthy of survival. They were quite happy for an army of sentient slaves, the clones to fight their war for them. Shut the door on your way out Jedi.
I did computer science in college. Ethics wasn't a big concern, but we had philosophy classes. I really enjoyed them, because the professor brought possible future threats, like the IA itself... With movies like Terminator and Matrix. So, in a way, he ended up putting a very good amount of ethical debate there. Specially around things like the Asimov's laws of robotics. Pretty fun stuff.
Me watching this: People being upset at how the clone had no senate representation and no say. Not realizing that in a couple of years, NO ONE would have any senate representation or say in anything.
You’ve presented a very interesting version of the Tabula Rasa theory. This theory has influenced our culture for many many decades. The one obvious proof that reveals its inherent flaws is contained in your underlying theme: we have an instinctive longing for justice - whether for ourselves or for those without power, like the clones. So, to answer your question; No. We are not all blank slates waiting for the powers that be to dictate what is right and wrong. We have the ability to make those decisions (however flawed) ourselves. What we, and the members of the Galactic Republic lack is fortitude and the willingness to make personal sacrifices. Self preservation and comfort is what drove the policies regarding the clones. It was easy for the Republic to turn a blind eye to the cruelty of their policies rather than risk their own comfort.
This is one of your best videos. Easily a topic that has bothered me for some many years even before clone wars. Star Trek dealt with the moral issues of slaves and used soldiers more than once. And both star wars and star treks do bring to the forefront how disposable men and women can become by their leadership and the public apathy. Your later touching on the matter of leadership as opposed to followers at the end over a lack of critical thinking is a topic far too huge to simplify but it always leads to strong men leadership and propaganda.
If you're really wondering why no Senator has represented the Clones before: remember who the Senators are: rich people who spend most of their time in the Capital. I don't think many of them actually spoke with Clones to begin with. Also think about the real world. Do we have politicians talking for soldiers? We have politicians talking for the war, for the army, for our "protection" and how much money it'll cost and is needed. But not for our soldiers. If you do: think deeper. Think about a group you belong to. Something that is close or personal. It can be anything, it be being autistic, your race, your sexual identity. Or maybe even just something as simple as the music subculture you belong to... Is that group being represented? Is there any big voice within your government that speaks out from their perspective from within that group to point out when the government is about to stab your group in the back? Maybe they'll say something about it, but it rarely is enough or something that truly sticks. Say what you will about Cuba, but I think this is what they do a lot better: there people within a group vote which person within that group is going to represent your group within a government. Let's say you're a barista in Havana, then you'll vote for a barista in Havana who is going to represent all Barista's in Havana in the government. Meanwhile that person keeps being a barista in Havana and is also not allowed to move out of Havana without resigning.
Glad to see there were a couple voices out there for the clones. And thank you, Alan, for broadening my horizons on certain subjects in the real world with these insightful videos you do.
I still can't believe your channel exists. Among all Star Wars analysis channels you stand above and beyong in terms of thematic insight and political and philosophical relevance. Most reference calling and member berry chewing channels create just as much as or more content than you with a fraction of the intelligence and with triple the red circles. Please, keep doing this your way and thank you!!
As a young kid, the Clone Wars was a cool show about tanks, soldiers, and lightsaber-wielding Jedi. As an adult (and conscripted soldier) god damn the series takes more turns than a Initial D road, and darker than midnight.
I remember being in a hotel room watching the First Episode of the Clone Wars when it first came out and being a 8 year old and seeing the Clones and Yoda. I remember watching them and getting excited. "He's sooo awesome." Was what i though and I still think the clones are so fucking amazing.
Alan? I’ve become addicted to this channel in recent months and you’ve risen to become one of my favorite Star Wars content creators. Thanks for the very thoughtful and fun content. … Just wondering though, as I catch up on the inside jokes… were you robbed by a dolphin at some point?
Sandford Prison Experiment. Milgram experiment. Reserve Police Battalion 101 (Ordinary Men). It is a sad realization that most People don't have a moral compass. They will conform to group dynamics and power structures - even if it means commiting genocide. This is always why I think that Family is one of the best episode of TNG. We get to see Picard come to terms that His willpower is not infinite and He can be overwhelmed into committing evil acts. Coming to terms with One's own capacity for evil is a traumatic experience (and necessary to resist evil) and Patrick Stewart does a great job in that episode. I'm going to listen to 'In the end, there is light in the darkness' Great video Such a white pill
I watch these videos purely for your in depth analysis of the Star Wars universe but your interpretation of real world events in correlation to the clone wars hit deep 🤝
I heard a comment on someone’s mando season 3 stream that said “Star wars isn’t about politics” and both hosts agreed, I rolled my eyes so hard. I think generation tech and this video sums up how Star wars is political quite well.
Sergeant Skirata will have my head for this, but Senator Chuchi honestly couldn't have done anything for the clones during the war. Pantora was directly being engaged by both sides and came perilously close to becoming just another battleground. There's no way Chuchi could have brokered the discussion under such circumstances: her people wouldn't have stood for it, the rest of the senators were preoccupied by the war, and the Republic's finances weren't there to help the clones. Fast forward a year after the war where the clones are hailed as heroes on Pantora, the Seperatists are crushed, the financial situation is more stable, and a certain Defense Bill provides the perfect excuse to bring up the problem.
In regard to Anakin and Obi Wan, I was surprised that in the Citadel episodes, they had an impromptu funeral for the Jedi master but never mentioned the Clones who died or supposedly died like Echo.
"What I need, is to be a trooper" Fuck, that line hit hard..... Some of us just need to be troopers. When the wars end it feels like purpose ends too.
Just like in the episode, a lot of people don't understand it. Heck, there are people who think soldiers are stupid. It was memed when on this channel, they were discussing the IQ test and how dumb it was, one of the guests, a girl, forgot some details about her, shook her head when the other guests said they saw the one who is a US trooper as the real smart one.
It’s something I kinda understand and relate to. While I have never served in the military. Because I’m too young and I’m still in school, I feel a extreme calling to it and I know that when I graduate from high school if not the military then there will be nothing else in this world for me. Sometimes it’s just that calling. Maybe you have the skills or would be better suited for something else but it’s that calling that drives you, that shapes you. And if you can’t grasp that part of you and hold on to it well as Obi Wan said “well then you are lost!”
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Unless you have brass nuts/tits and feel like dealing with the government weekly with medical expenses and other BS…don’t do it kid. Trust me. I served in the US Army for 8 years, and it got me nowhere with education, a job opportunity afterwards…or anything useful really. The government is very “choosy” on who gets what benefits. Before you ask, it’s not about race or anything like that. I was an E-5 (Sergeant), honourably discharged, and have a few coins and other “rewards” from my time in. Sorry to be such a downer, I just wanted to make sure you have a clear understanding of what you’re getting into. To end on a good note, I will say that I have met the greatest people in my life throughout my stint. I hope this helps, have a great day.
@@tylerlabombard9092 why does everyone think I’m going into this thinking it’s all gonna be great and glorious. I’m aware it’s gonna suck I’m aware of the issues with the military, I’m aware I’ll probably hate it afterwards. But…I hate pretty much everything else so I’d rather just in the future maybe hate something I liked rather then just hate something I already hated. Atleast then I would have gotten some small satisfaction out of existence.
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion I’m just trying to help, bub. I’m not trying to discourage you. I’m just trying to make sure that you understand the cons of it because no one understands what they are getting into. And honestly, with the president we’re under now it might be a completely frilly little wonderland of snowflakes, sunshine, and rainbows. 😂😂
In the Clone Wars, Padme was thinking about the Clones. Saying they're living beings along with in her speech about the refugees, she talked about supporting the Clones in peace time. Chuchi took the baton after Padme's death.
Eeyup.
Shut the flip up.
Man TCW started in 2008. The continuing story has gone on for 15 years. That’s amazing
It's been 15 years already? Wow, man does time fly!
Not even remember it's a story that's been going on since the 1970s... Luke in a New Hope "You fought in the Clone Wars?"
I remember watching that shit in theaters. Time flies
If you count TCW's 2003 predeccesor, The 'Clone Wars' which was vastly different but gave the stepping stones for TCW (Ventress, Rex was supposed to be an Alpha ARC Trooper), then it could be 20 years from a certain point of view.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough True, altough back then "The Clone Wars" was different from the ones shown in the Prequels era.
The movie Gladiator best quote,
"War is old men talking and young men dying."
Pretty sure that was Troy. Odysseus (Sean Bean) says this to Achilles (Brad Pitt).
@@davidcroteau7374 my mistake I use to watch them both alot the blended together I guess lol thanks
or like Niko Bellic from GTA IV has saied it
One point: Unlike the clones, the Jedi could leave the order or transfer to the service corps anytime they wanted other than perhaps in a battlefield.Not that there weren't factors keeping them in like financial security, psychological pressure, and risk of going dark, but they were allowed to leave. If a clone wanted to quit, like Cut Lawquane, they would face desertion charges.
And we all know what normally happens to deserters
I suggest you read the Republic Commando novels by Karen Traviss, she explores what exactly awaits clones who don’t want to fight for the Republic anymore..
Spoiler
The Republic sics literal assassination squads on them to kill them, like rabid and disobedient dogs.
It is horrible.
@@jeremymott Rex really had to hold himself back from just killing Cut right then and there.
Just goes to show how much the clones hated deserters.
'financial security'? lol jedi didn't get paid. And while we don't see it in the show, I wouldn't be surprised if Jedi would be arrested for leaving via desertion as well as the clones. By this point in history the laws had been subtly, consistently altered placing Jedi completely under the oversight of the judiciary and then Palpatine due to war time powers acts being passed in the senate. By the end of the war Palpatine legally was in control of the entire Order, which he never should have been.
@@aliciaaltair Ahsoka literally meaves the Order and thus the Republic military in the show lol, and nothing happens to her afterwards
The warriors created to betray their own commanders eventually got discarded by the Emperor and betrayed by the galactic masses. It's almost poetic, if you ignore how tragic this is.
I guess despite their sacrifices, the clones were ultimately seen as relics deemed obsolete and living reminders of a horrible war that made everyone more miserable. After all, clones were birthed by machines and most likely had their faces covered in the presence of civilians, which could make even humans struggle to empathize with the clones as fellow sentient beings. At least people were made aware that Stormtroopers are their fellow citizens underneath all that sterile armour.
It's just like you said
I used to be a young boy when the Clone Wars came out
It was amazing, seeing those brave soldiers defeating Clankers, cracking jokes, shooting and driving tanks
Then I grew up a little bit and wanted to become soldier myself. Badass Special Forces. But I started to understand the politics in Clone Wars, I started to listen to what's happening in the world. How actually world works.
And then I grew up even more. If not for a fact that you're just an asset, being a soldier would be actually pretty cool. Shooting targets, blowing up stuff, parachute jumping.
But you're just a tool that can be sent to another part of the world to "defend freedom" in a land that you first have to attack before defending it, introducing invigilation before the so called freedom may come. And it never comes. Because it's all for our safety.
And no one will care if you die. You family will care. Your brothers in arms will care. Maybe someone in your country will care. Higher ups won't.
Clone Wars is an amazing series. And fucking scary when you actually realize what's happening in OUR world...
I remember in college someone said they prepare troops for war but don’t prepare them for life outside the war.
This is such a true statement. As a veteran myself, I can attest to this. When I was getting out, I had a week of mostly reading about how to adjust to living, & readjustment to the civilian world. Talk about training trial by fire style. None of it would prepare me for what I was up against. Luckily, for many veterans, they are constantly thinking on the fly when it comes to adapting, & overcoming a situational shit-show. For those not so lucky, there’s alcoholism, drug addiction, homelessness, ‘ of course the elephant in the room no one will discuss, suicide.
@@bryanmiller8604 I may not you but I just want to say that I appreciate whatever you did in the military. Even though I doubt I'd join the military myself I've always appreciated the hard work all the men and women do for this country.
Man I hate how the clones are treated and how the galaxy didn't care.
It's just a contrived plot point to draw on the audiences emotions.
@@LMGunslinger it's fiction, everything is made to pull on our emotions
Honestly you can't give them rights. The moment you do clones will be bred to influence policy.
@@vikingsword3485that is interesting
Apathy is death.
Alan’s words at the end are like words you would hear from an old sage. Very wise and very true.
Not really. Not at least with the comparison of young adults fighting in wars vs clones. Maybe the Putin thing, but outside of Russia most places have either a volunteer age or conscription age of starting at 17 with 18 being the close second.
The Clone Troopers were highly respected and decorated in the Galactic Empire as veterans of the Stormtrooper Corps being the best of the best in EU Legends.
Even then, they were phased out but slowly and gradually for years until becoming a small minority, not instantly replaced the moment the Clone Wars ended.
The nu empire has go be cartoonishly evil.
Well they're not being rapidly phased out here either. It's stated by Chuchi in the episodes that each clone will finish their term of service (approx 10 years, 20 for the last batch of clones with at least one clone being in imperial service in the new cannon in 1ABY, albeit in his final year). But it's what happens to them after that service ends which is the issue, and that lack of a retirement plan will then be grandfathered into the stormtrooper corp.
I don't hate this version. It's very Palpatine like to discard something once its use has passed. Even Vader he was constantly trying to replace.
This is one of the outlying things that actually works well in Disney's version. The original idea of clones just naturally shifting out of deployment in favor of cheaper soldiers makes a lot more logical sense, but with Palpatine actually controlling that, it does fit his personality to just view clones as trash or leftovers after their original purpose was done. The older story still works better, because while he would certainly not care about clones, he's still a smart character and should recognize that using the already available clones who still want to keep their jobs is a lot more useful that rapidly replacing them. It also works better to use with more story, because you have more room to write certain clones as being more imperial, while others see it for what it is and want no part of the empire. That dichotomy is almost totally gone if the writing says that all clones are forcibly phased out.
Except that Palpatine was paranoid as hell , and for good reason since he'd screwed the galaxy over, so he didn't really trust that his attack dogs wouldn't turn on HIM some day. So, he basically gave them the Old Yeller treatment. Though he did keep a few around here or there to train Stormtroopers /carry out difficult assignments.
Anyone else find it kind of amazing that we manage to get so much interesting story, plots and analysis from stuff stemming from the Prequels while the Sequels have basically given us nothing. Ironic given how much people hated the Prequels way back when.
Party because now the gen that grew up with and liked the prequels have a voice, also partly because the prequel era has so much development potential. For all the faults of the films the world building was the best of the 3 trilogies by far
Fans who were 10-20 years old when the original trilogy was released regarded the prequels with just as much disdain as the fans who were 10-20 years when the prequels were released regard the sequels.
In time, the sequels will come to be admired by the current generation of 10-20 year olds, provided their opinions are not tainted by older fans of the other trilogies.
I think the B1 battle droids could react with fear was part of a self-preservation instinct built into their programming.
@@thesharpercoder i dont think anyone is ever going to like the sequels. Even Disney admitted they botched that.
That's because the sequels got shat on
But instead of fixing them, they decided to go backwards to the prequels and OT
The best we got is the Mandalorian slowly connecting things up to the sequels
It’s videos like these that remind me why Generation Tech is one of my favorite channels on TH-cam. Alan has a way of getting a message across that not only pertains to a fictional universe far far away, but one where we can look at ourselves and learn to become better.
@GenerationTech12 no thanks bot.
I do love how he turns the entire Star Wars universe into a cautionary tale. He’s definitely one of the more insightful guys on here.
I remember many people thinking that using clones was a stupid creative decision on Lucas’s part. I remember RLM commenting that a story about droids fighting clones stripped the emotion from the conflict and make people not care about the story. Almost 20 years on all I can say is what hell that they know about story telling or moral ambiguity.
I love that scene with Yoda and the clones because not only did Yoda demonstrate that the Jedi were not the clones and actually treated the clones like individuals but he taught the clones themselves that big word unique individuals with unique personalities. I love a lot of the starwars Universe especially the animated stories & the clones will always be some of my favorite characters
I wonder how many of those clones joined the Rebellion as a middle finger to the Empire that discarded them. I like to think that the rebellion had some training from a defected clone to be able to stand up against the empire for as long as they did before a magical farm boy from Tatooine destroyed the first Death Star.
Look at how Vets are treated when they come home. And how society treats them.
For me parts of me like others never came home. We are still with our brothers and sisters that never made it home.
Never really thought about that....mentality the clones were just a bunch of kids. Great video Alan!
what you say about young kids in the military....strikes a chord in me...after my 1st tour my 2nd unit was being stood up fresh...for weeks only E4's with combat patches and exp were in charge till our first crop of NCO's showed up....the naivete of the kids fresh from boot was astounding. Especially the ones that thought they knew it all cause they played Call of Duty and were sure they could kill another human first time out. On the battlefield though....those ones especially were the ones ppl like me had to yell at, grab, jump on, or otherwise somehow get them to move or save their ass when shit hit the fan. Those same ones were the quickest to wise up and become better soldiers of course if they survived their 1st or 2nd firefight.
What's even sadder is that every cloned that died from Geonosis to order 66 died in the belief that their death meant that the Republic would live and that maybe even they themselves would become citizens of said Republic. As tragic as their deaths were they were in this case the lucky ones. The clones were never gonna be the returning WW2 Style veterans with open arms and bottles of champagne waiting for them. Instead they got the Vietnam war treatment in that despite doing what they were need to do they still got the cold shoulder from citizens and it would really only be years later that they would be truly appreciated for their service. That just makes the Clones story even more tragic.
Well said bro well said .... Stars wars is a hit story because deep down it's a reflection of our human society ... Like you said in the real world Young men fight in wars started by older men... Young people face the economic hardships of policies that unfairly favoured the older generation.... May we never sacrifice the ability to think critically on the alter of sentiments, tribalism ,racism or ideological differences ....
We already have as a nation.
One thing I don't hear people talk about enough is how the more civilization develops the slower it is at doing things. I mean actual things. Bureaucracy slows things down hella.
As Achilles said in Troy: “Imagine a king who fights his own battles.” Instead kings and modern leaders sent and still send younger individuals into battle over land and resources, religious differences, or general political reasons.
Always the best and most insightful content on the Star Wars universe.
Once again, Generation Tech illustrates how Star Wars is an incredible moral mirror of the real world.
I knew where you were going, and you brought me to tears, Alan.
Dude the prequel era is such a strong example of bad and good ethics and a lesson on not granting your government leadership too much power in a crisis. Man Lucas and the creative team had a strong vision back in the day.
Also, you did a great job making the effort to relate Star Wars and the lessons it shows to our modern world and the questions and thought processes we need to have. It is essential to make sure a consensus or idea is yours or if it is from another person you have looked into it and not just decided on a whim or social media post.
This is why I keep saying that the BB should not be using stun rounds against the Empire and should be using lethal force along with aiding the Rebellion not going on their pointless filler adventures. This is why I was so happy seeing Echo leave to help Rex cause that actually made sense and was a legit good reason to make a difference.
This commentary is so spot on with what is happening in not only the US but around the world today. So many people are no longer thinking for themselves. Thank you for posting this.
I love this channel. Not only do we get great star wars lore deep dives, but also how our fav franchise can relate to the real world, and the impetus to think more.
"With the clones Yoda doesnt have to calculate how many widows he makes, unlike poor Abe Lincoln" -Mr Plinkett
The clones definitely deserve way better than what the Empire is doing to them
They were pawns in the beginning, only to serve Palpatine's purpose of establishing a new order and eliminating the Jedi. He could care less about them or any one for that matter. The same with the droids of the confederacy.
You almost got into something interesting when going over why we have to make ethics so complicated while we knew since a child what ethics are. This is because of control. The people in charge of us, wants to make ethics as complicated as possible just so that changing society or controlling a government will look more complicated than it actually is. This will make it seem out of reach for most people, and most people don't think they are smart enough and leave it to politicians, CEOs and other higher ups "because they are more educated, they know better what they are doing than me right?" While the reality is that anyone works knows what is best for their job. The higher ups likes to divide power into layers and layers and make it as difficult as possible for you as someone below them to get anything done, just to demotivate you from even trying.
I used to think the same way as you. I thought, well certainly right and wrong isn't that hard, of course everyone knows. Then I went to college and met a wider circle of people than I had previously interacted with, and I realized that it isn't that easy for some people. There are a lot of grey areas, people who have been taught wrong ideas and ethics growing up, and then there are unfortunately people out there who don't believe in ethics or care about doing the right thing, and those people only follow the rules and do ethical things because they have to to get somewhere in society. Society has and must continue to put a lot of effort into coming to a shared set of ethics and what is right, since there are a select few people who can do a lot of harm if there wasn't a system in place to discourage "wrongdoing." Hence why there are so many scholars, bureaucrats, ect. who dedicate their lives to trying to figure this stuff out. That said, it should be up to each one of us to contribute to the pool of understanding ethics, government, and deciding what is right for society, and I agree that there are people out there who want to discourage us from thinking for control purposes, and we must always reject this
@@kylekohlmeyer1087 well I more believe in that those people you mentioned are symptoms of our current society's shortcomings rather than society taking this approach because these people exist
Another fine example of fiction holding a mirror to real life and our current and ongoing issues. I continue to be very impressed with your work, Alan. I particularly enjoyed your observations concerning ethics near the end. Your channel has become my go-to for the Star Wars universe. Thanks.
Your videos are always fantastic for the content we all love in the fictional galaxy, but you bring to life the subconscious comparisons some of us make, but can't articulate. Thanks Alan. Keep using your platform to spread great, unbiased, and morally positive messages. For the Republic. For Democracy.
When I saw that homeless clone trooper in oni wan tv show really hit hard
I said it once and I’ll say it again, I love how you tie the messages of Star Wars to the real world
Allen, I love your philosophical takes on the show. It is one of the many things that sets you apart from the myriad of other channels that cover Star Wars content
I tried what you did, Alan. I tried to form my own political opinion. And my only conclusion is destruction of the society.
Also, Geetsly's can tell you what droids behaved as such, Alan. Because they've been upgraded from Central Command Computer to be able to independently function on their own. But without the Tactical Droids to strategize and tell them what to do, thinking of multiple things on their own are such pains in the butts that resulting in them developing emotions and personalities.
Les Misérables started playing in my head when you said it was a "Space Opera."
as a human clone I fully appreciate the sensitive reading of clone discrimination that the 'bad batch' has made. I have often found myself 'written' off by employers as 'the same' or 'similar' to other clones. In truth, I am a human being like everyone else, with hopes and dreams of my own.
Did anyone else catch the continuity error in the latest episode?
A "disgraced Kaminoan Senator"...... think back to Episode II, when Obi-Wan asked Dexter about the saber dart. "I'm not familiar with the system, is it in the Republic?" To which the answer was, "No, it's beyond the Outer Rim."
Kamino was given senatorial representation during TCW to advocate for more clones
Actually Kamino got a senator during the Clone Wars. That's what they're referring to.
Years ago when I went to the D-Day Museum in New Orleans (now the WW2 Museum) . They had a little movie running in the front that they suggested people watch before going through the museum. I was by far the youngest person there, most were WW2 veterans. Well, they, the US military, purposely chose the youngest and smartest guys to hit the beach. If they were seasoned troops knowing they would have to hit a fortified beach, they probably would not have got on the boats, second they had to account for the tides to bring the landing craft as far in as possible. There was a storm that nearly messed up the time table. Eisenhower made the decision to ride in on the end of the storm. Those guys on the boats were all sea sick, sick as dogs, and they just wanted off those boats. One survivor was interviewed, he said the sergeant told them that only a couple of that boat load would survive the landing. Everyone one of those guys looked around and thought "OH you poor SOBs". Thinking they would be the one to survive. That guy was the one who made it. Youth and enthusiasm meets old age and treachery.
This channel man. It really is something else ❤
Alan dropping knowledge like we in church on a Sunday!
Thank you! Not only making amazing star wars content but also advocating for deep thought and critical thinking. I too realize the more and more people are reliant on others opinions. It really makes life difficult as you are always talking to the same person with the same views, and is like conversing with a brick wall.
Theres endless star wars channels online but none quite like allen. Your way of thinking about it is so far beyond others its refreshing to see the way you see starwars content. Nobody will ever replace you Allen your the shiznit dawg
I see it as a reflection of our society. People love the troops as long as they’re out there winning battles and seem bad ass. Let a soldier, sailor, marine, or airman come home and need help or support. A fair number of us went in at 17, not 18 or 19. This is a good call to be involved and examine ones responsibilities to be informed and make decisions and take action through voting and volunteering with organizations that support your views and goals.
An absolutely brilliant take as always, especially the similarities within our worldly societies that you mentioned, the need to sympathise with Frontline Soldiers, many of whom are kids and the need to engage in one's Nation's Politics.
At the end of the day, Lucas's Star Wars is a cautionary tale about the dangers of Moral and Political Apathy in Society and we indeed should take notes.
PS, this Channel is still one of the most underrated ones on TH-cam and I am just really glad that I found you early and saw this community grow here in the comments section.
Thank you for this video. It goes far beyond Star Wars. And that is why I love Clones so much. So much to consider and think about.
I really really enjoyed this episode. The question of morality and internal compass and how it connects back to our own world struck a chord. Well said!
clone troopers like quinlan vos 😭 8:51
great video! i appreciate how you always showcase the importance of political messaging in star wars. it’s such an incredible franchise and it’s instilled some of my strongest values from a young age, and it’s always a little sad that people don’t see how importance the messaging of star wars is. the clones are human like you and me, and their tragedy is one of the things that’s basically guaranteed to make me cry. but it’s really not just a story, there’s monsters in the real world who are sending their incredible youth to die on some battlefield, and it makes me so fucking angry that some people will ignore that fact and try to excuse war
@GenerationTech12 nice scam bruv your first mistake was that i’m technologically inept
“….doesn’t feel fear, or pity, or remorse… and absolutely will not stop”
That's how I realized the Jedi order was no longer worthy of survival. They were quite happy for an army of sentient slaves, the clones to fight their war for them. Shut the door on your way out Jedi.
5:07 Clones such as Cody were brutally damaging their droids with punches and kicks.
Alan, dude your low-key political commentary is awesome in so many of these videos, keep it up
I did computer science in college. Ethics wasn't a big concern, but we had philosophy classes. I really enjoyed them, because the professor brought possible future threats, like the IA itself... With movies like Terminator and Matrix.
So, in a way, he ended up putting a very good amount of ethical debate there. Specially around things like the Asimov's laws of robotics.
Pretty fun stuff.
Fantastic video, informative, entertaining and though-provoking as always.
Me watching this: People being upset at how the clone had no senate representation and no say. Not realizing that in a couple of years, NO ONE would have any senate representation or say in anything.
Well, roughly 2 decades of slow stripping away of senatorial power till just before Yavin.
You’ve presented a very interesting version of the Tabula Rasa theory. This theory has influenced our culture for many many decades. The one obvious proof that reveals its inherent flaws is contained in your underlying theme: we have an instinctive longing for justice - whether for ourselves or for those without power, like the clones. So, to answer your question; No. We are not all blank slates waiting for the powers that be to dictate what is right and wrong. We have the ability to make those decisions (however flawed) ourselves. What we, and the members of the Galactic Republic lack is fortitude and the willingness to make personal sacrifices. Self preservation and comfort is what drove the policies regarding the clones. It was easy for the Republic to turn a blind eye to the cruelty of their policies rather than risk their own comfort.
The clone wars was mentioned before the first mammal clone
This is one of your best videos. Easily a topic that has bothered me for some many years even before clone wars. Star Trek dealt with the moral issues of slaves and used soldiers more than once. And both star wars and star treks do bring to the forefront how disposable men and women can become by their leadership and the public apathy.
Your later touching on the matter of leadership as opposed to followers at the end over a lack of critical thinking is a topic far too huge to simplify but it always leads to strong men leadership and propaganda.
Thanks, after Your closing words Ive subbed.
Many thanks for this insightful video!
If you're really wondering why no Senator has represented the Clones before: remember who the Senators are: rich people who spend most of their time in the Capital. I don't think many of them actually spoke with Clones to begin with.
Also think about the real world. Do we have politicians talking for soldiers? We have politicians talking for the war, for the army, for our "protection" and how much money it'll cost and is needed. But not for our soldiers. If you do: think deeper. Think about a group you belong to. Something that is close or personal. It can be anything, it be being autistic, your race, your sexual identity. Or maybe even just something as simple as the music subculture you belong to... Is that group being represented? Is there any big voice within your government that speaks out from their perspective from within that group to point out when the government is about to stab your group in the back? Maybe they'll say something about it, but it rarely is enough or something that truly sticks.
Say what you will about Cuba, but I think this is what they do a lot better: there people within a group vote which person within that group is going to represent your group within a government. Let's say you're a barista in Havana, then you'll vote for a barista in Havana who is going to represent all Barista's in Havana in the government. Meanwhile that person keeps being a barista in Havana and is also not allowed to move out of Havana without resigning.
Glad to see there were a couple voices out there for the clones. And thank you, Alan, for broadening my horizons on certain subjects in the real world with these insightful videos you do.
I still can't believe your channel exists. Among all Star Wars analysis channels you stand above and beyong in terms of thematic insight and political and philosophical relevance. Most reference calling and member berry chewing channels create just as much as or more content than you with a fraction of the intelligence and with triple the red circles. Please, keep doing this your way and thank you!!
I still the first time we saw clone troopers in action during episode 2. That's when started falling in love with the clone troopers
Hot take: the storyline of the clones is just as, if not more tragic than Anakin’s storyline.
Your insights are appreciated. Thanks for helping illustrate the relevance of galaxies far away to our own human conditions on earth.
Had me sobbing at this point bruh……powerful stuff 13:21
Sadly they were born and bred to live and die in battle.
Absolutely awesome episode of generation tech. 👍🏻
As a young kid, the Clone Wars was a cool show about tanks, soldiers, and lightsaber-wielding Jedi.
As an adult (and conscripted soldier) god damn the series takes more turns than a Initial D road, and darker than midnight.
I remember being in a hotel room watching the First Episode of the Clone Wars when it first came out and being a 8 year old and seeing the Clones and Yoda. I remember watching them and getting excited. "He's sooo awesome."
Was what i though and I still think the clones are so fucking amazing.
Alan? I’ve become addicted to this channel in recent months and you’ve risen to become one of my favorite Star Wars content creators. Thanks for the very thoughtful and fun content.
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Just wondering though, as I catch up on the inside jokes… were you robbed by a dolphin at some point?
Probably one of your best videos
Really appreciate the deep thinking in this video!
If evil being normalized it’s prove that society is becoming a dystopia.
One of your best videos yet sir
Sandford Prison Experiment.
Milgram experiment.
Reserve Police Battalion 101 (Ordinary Men).
It is a sad realization that most People don't have a moral compass. They will conform to group dynamics and power structures - even if it means commiting genocide.
This is always why I think that Family is one of the best episode of TNG. We get to see Picard come to terms that His willpower is not infinite and He can be overwhelmed into committing evil acts. Coming to terms with One's own capacity for evil is a traumatic experience (and necessary to resist evil) and Patrick Stewart does a great job in that episode.
I'm going to listen to 'In the end, there is light in the darkness'
Great video
Such a white pill
I watch these videos purely for your in depth analysis of the Star Wars universe but your interpretation of real world events in correlation to the clone wars hit deep 🤝
I imagine ChuChi probably did speak up earlier, or tried, but she was young and inexperienced and it took her until the empire to get any traction.
It's interesting the parallel of the clones and the US military veterans.
This is a really good video. I love the relation to reality
Great discussion as always Alan!
Excellent video commentary!!
Appreciate your insight Allen.
11:46
"War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other"
-Niko Bellic
Beautiful video. No notes. 10/10
Bro , I don't know anyone has told you , THE BEARD LOOKS GREAT !
I heard a comment on someone’s mando season 3 stream that said “Star wars isn’t about politics” and both hosts agreed, I rolled my eyes so hard.
I think generation tech and this video sums up how Star wars is political quite well.
Sergeant Skirata will have my head for this, but Senator Chuchi honestly couldn't have done anything for the clones during the war. Pantora was directly being engaged by both sides and came perilously close to becoming just another battleground. There's no way Chuchi could have brokered the discussion under such circumstances: her people wouldn't have stood for it, the rest of the senators were preoccupied by the war, and the Republic's finances weren't there to help the clones. Fast forward a year after the war where the clones are hailed as heroes on Pantora, the Seperatists are crushed, the financial situation is more stable, and a certain Defense Bill provides the perfect excuse to bring up the problem.
In regard to Anakin and Obi Wan, I was surprised that in the Citadel episodes, they had an impromptu funeral for the Jedi master but never mentioned the Clones who died or supposedly died like Echo.
Very well said Allen 👏
Great video with moral ending
Great message
Love your videos
These are the right questions.