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Check out part 1 to see Alexander's military campaigns in Europe, Arabia, and India: • What if Alexander the ...
Alexander the Great is one of histories greatest questions. He conquered most of the known world by the age of 32, before he died. People throughout all ages, from Julius Caesar to Napoleon, admired Alexander for his military accomplishments. In this video, I will answer how the Macedonian empire could have gone if he Alexander the Great lived longer.
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Which scenario do you think was more realistic? Which one did you guys like more? Lastly, do you think his empire could have survived for hundreds of years into the future?
Sadly i think that the first one, Empires need time to consolidate themselves and expand well, like Rome did in it's begginings, there is no garantee that Alexander's succesors would have had his sheer charisma and military talent. It was an incredible video though.
Alexander wouldnt be able to conquer india tho atleast not entirety of it.but the rest of the conquests except maybe the bosporan area and crimean area is plausible.
I dont think he would go that far up iberia,italia,illyria and dacia though.
After his death it depends if he can have a successor who is as good as him or is good enough ig but its a 50/50
Either the empire will collapse in a few decades or 1-1 and half centuries like the mongols or maybe his successors will be able to consolidate and macedon will stay on top for centuries to come till collapsing eventually.
@@quantashonjamaldigglerbury4934 I recommend you check out part 1 to see how he conquered all of the extra territory
You are the perfect person to what I need. Imagine someone with the power to go back in time, but can only exist back in time as a past life and he can only go forwards in time through reincarnation. Now you are still limited by certain things (you cannot make people understand something that is beyond their capacity, meaning even if you knew about computers, you couldn't make Ancient Egyptians create them even if you were the Pharaoh, in fact you probably shouldn't as people more likely to rise against you if you share ideas they see as possibly evil) and you cannot make yourself an heir to any empire you made in a previous life, chiefly because you would likely have children or need to have children to keep the timeline in tact for those people that need to exist. So you can make an empire but you will always have to work against your self from a previous life. And you cannot go any further back in time than Ramesses III. I'll give more specifics but it is an interesting build. However, I only have a bachelor's degree and probably no where near as studied as you are as making the premise solid would be a good play on my part and then I'll let you work out the details to how time would progress from Ramesses III to FDR in between we have Marco Polo, Genghis Khan, Charlemagne, Napoleon and other individuals.
I don’t think that it would collapse. Scenario two the more interesting one anyways. There’s how young Alexander remember he was 32 when he died. So he’s 37 when he finishes the conquests. It’s not unrealistic to think that he could live for another 30 or 40 years. At that point, there’s been 2 generations that have grown up in the system with a third well on the way. it would’ve become the norm. Yeah, I don’t think it’s gonna fall apart.
They probably also want to completely encircle the Mediterranean. You probably also see China become rival to the east.
I think the worst case scenario is definitely the most realistic. The empire seems completely over stretched.
yes, sadly I think the empire would fall after his death, but I wish the 2nd option would have occurred
@@Videntis.HistoryI thought Alexander would have pushed most of the Greek population out of Greece and Anatolia and force them to live in the conquered lands and intermarry with them I wasn’t expecting this scenario where he moved everyone. I think the second scenario would happen Alexander wouldn’t be hated I think he would still be loved and people would look up to him but the empire would lose some territory.
@@Videntis.History You don't think his son would've been able to hold it?
@@Videntis.Historyshhhh let me live in the fantasy
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This is an absolute gem of an alternate history channel!
thank you so much
@@Videntis.Historyhey this hit 3k likes an I was wondering if you were still interested in this project or if you are discontinuing it for good
I'm gonna be dying for a part 3. Alexanders Empire against the Huns or Even the Mongols
we will see
@@Videntis.History of course. Focus on the projects you want to have done. I can't force you to Continue a project if you believe it to be completed. Just do what you wanna do. You are the master. And probably the Best Alt history creator Currently. Your videos are art my Man. The work is wonderful
Jesus Christ this man is writing a novel at this Point, this is some insanely good content keep it up 🙏
thanks for the praise
Will he ever been born? Would the Christians became polytheistic instead of being monotheistic like in our real world?
It's a real shame this didn't get a part three, fantastic scenario, definitely subscribing to the channel.
Yeah it didn’t do amazing but I enjoyed making these more than any other videos
@@Videntis.History so do it anyway ;)
@@Videntis.Historydo it
@@Videntis.History I’d like a part three, Macedonia VS Mongolia is a really interesting idea and I think other people would like to see it as wel
@@Videntis.History Dewit
I love this series. I wonder how you would handle Julius Caesar thwarting the assassins or the Byzantine Empire surviving?
thanks so much, I have those on my list
What about the great library of Alexandria? That huge collection of knowledge could have produced science and technology far better and a lot faster than in our timeline, since it would have been part of the unified empire for centuries. Maybe some tech from there could have helped the empire to thrive, by solving some of its problems.
Also, being adjacent to China and having incorporated India would have certainly brought forth in a few years knowledge and technology that took centuries to travel to europe, such as iron melting, crucible steel production, the decimal number system and algebra, crossbows, gunpowder, silk, ceramics, and so on.
When the huns would have stroken, the Macedonian empire would have been far more technologically advanced than the Roman one was at that point, especially on a military standpoint.
Now there has to be a part 3
You really put a huge effort into the history of this Hellenic Empire. I appreciate that.
tbh would not like this scenario one bit
The fact that you don't have hundreds of thousands of subs is really a shame. This channel is excellent.
Ever since i found your Channel Nostradamus I have been so exited for new uploads and what future has in store for your channel i cant wait to see all the amazing videos your gonna make. I hope this Channel grows into one of the largest Alternate History Channels on TH-cam
yeah I hope so
@@Videntis.HistoryI truly believe in you, I mean the quality in your videos is amazing both audio and visual, as well as your editing I feel its just a matter of time before the TH-cam algorithm gives you more traffic and you'll be a big youtuber
This needs a part 3
This was a great second part! I wonder if the Macedonian Empire will discover and colonize the Americas considering The have two of the greatest seafaring cultures of antiquity the greeks and the phoenicians.
yeah, if I make a part 3, that will probably come up
Your channel is amazing! Been enjoying it for a while now and here's a recommendation for ya: What if Napoleon III had won the Franco-Prussian war?
good idea
@@Videntis.History bro doing it 10 months later
Please continue this series 🙏🙇♂️
I like how this is setting up a sequel with the empire fighting the Huns, it is so huge that it probably will win, and this might trigger its expansion to the north
I think the Huns would win tbh
I would love see a pt.3 even tho it has been 5 months since, your video quality has vastly improved so I'm doubly excited for it
This video is Amazing! I can’t wait for more like this!
thanks so much
This was a great video I really enjoyed it. I like how you set up the more realistic timeline and the more fun timeline. I hope you do end up make a third part and maybe a fourth. I know it's really hard to make an alternate senecio so different from our own for so long with just guess work at that point.
I am happy you liked it so much. I hope the video does well enough for me to make more parts.
OMGGG lets goooo this is so good i love this series man!!!! fantastic job
An incredible video and I hope for a third part, it would be interesting if in future videos the political and commercial tensions with China are analyzed, the effects that it could have in sub-Saharan Africa and by increasing exploration in the Atlantic there is some possibility of an early discovery of America .
Basically alternate universe, Blue Greek Mega Rome. We are truly in the worst timeline :(
yeah, that would be one of the best timelines
Being Greek, I should be the one upset about this, and I am, quite a lot actually.
Why?
Bro please just do a part three. I know it didn’t make it to 3k but it’s so good bro
Kinda interesting that an extention of Hellenic culture in this timeline could emerge as far as in Tarim Basin in modern day China (and probably further into China proper itself) and in Southeast Asia - both continental and maritime.
Your alternate history videos are incredible. I love your work and I hope your channel grows a lot in the future
Glad you like them!
Awesome! Keep up with this great series
Thanks! So much
What if the English won the 100 years war and the Angevin empire became Europe’s leading nation? Also great channel.
thanks for the good idea, I added it to my list
Amazing work as always keep it up! 👍
Thanks for the very high praise
The best alt history channel i hope u the best
thanks so much
I'd love to have seen a part 3 if this is possible :D
U gained a subscriber 😌
Please do part 3!
I would like to, but typically later videos in a series get less and less views, so it depends on how this video does, I hope that makes sense
i am new and while watching the first part i was amazed of your video you gained my admiration
Thanks so much
Excellent video like always
thanks
Such a shame that this video does not have 3 000 likes, we need part 3 of this awesome series.
As of religious rebellions I think jews would be a pain in the ass since they did have many rebellions against both the seleucids and Roman's the maccabean revolt for example but other religions would be easy to govern since polytheistic religions tend to be more adaptive to new gods.
If the empire wanted to move its capital I think the Eastern most point it can get is Babylon but in my humble opinion I don't think it would be moved that much to the east maybe it would be a new city in the Eastern Mediterranean like Alexandria which in our time line grew to be the new center of Greek culture and even Egypt was the last major stronghold of Greek culture before being conquered by Rome.
And as huge lover of everything Greek it's a fact that everything will come to an end but I don't know how this empire would end maybe the non Greek parts will gradually get independent leaving out a national Greek state which what I think the Eastern Roman empire would've become if it survived which was becoming more and more Greek OR the whole empire would collapse with multiple Greek states OR the empire can get divided just like Rome did with Greek ruling class just like what happened to the Macedonian empire in our time line.
I just also wanna point out to a minor mistake where you showed the Eastern Aegean coast (the Anatolian side) to be hellenized which is not the case this area was colonized the earliest by Greeks before any other region so I would count as hellenic not hellenized.
And as always that was a great video. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work 🎉
im so loving your content man its so different and unique from any other alternate history video i have watched bro keep up the good work dude and keep them amazing videos coming g
thanks
@@Videntis.History your welcome
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@@Videntis.History oh yeah i'll help you out with that
subscribed tbh great quality
I think the religion of this empire would be the cult of Alexander the Great (with elements of other gods from other religions of the empire) as the unifier of the world.
yeah that is very possible, if there is another part to series I would expound on that
Let's support with a like so that this series continues.
You deserve more followers, this Is great!
thanks
I just noticed, this scenario's Alexander has a lot in common with Kublai Khan. Is it a coincidence or was Kublai a source of inspiration ?
Finally, an alternate history video that doesn’t take half the video to explain historical events, that we already know of
thanks, if you are interested in how the empire grew to that size, check out part 1 of the series: th-cam.com/video/QJcdYLEXr2M/w-d-xo.html
I'd love to see how this Imperial Faith could impact the rise of a monotheistic Abrahamic religion in the Levant and eventually Arabia, if it happened at all in this timeline.
Side note, would this empire be known to scholars afterwards as the Alexandrian Empire? Alexandrene? Alexandrid?
Yeah, if I make a part 3 to the series, I will go into the potential rise of an Abrahamic religion. I have not considered the name but it may have gone by either the Macedonian Empire or the Alexandrian Empire. This would be a continuation of the Macedonian Kingdom that was founded in 808 BC, but also that would be unrecognizable to Alexander's empire, so idk. I like the name "Alexandrian Empire" more, but what about you?
@@Videntis.History Ya I like "Alexandrian" more, it's simple but prestigious given its namesake, especially in this timeline.
@@ratherlargeshmeat6189 yeah, it rolls of the tongue
Broke 3k likes i wanna see a pt3
YESSSSSS!!!!!!! A whole series on this scenario!!!!!!!!
well, I hope so, but it depends on the likes
Please make Part 3! Please?🥺🥺
2:10 - Interesting to note that you're describing the Maccabean Revolt. A civil war between Hellenic Hebrews, on the costal cities, and Traditionalists, in the hilly land in the east with no navigable rivers, that spiralled into Antiochus invading and losing.
4:30 - Interesting point. Persia used Greeks coins for trade in the west but kept a barter and commodity tax system in the east. After Alexanders conquests and minting of coins in the area the "silk road" increased in volume of trade as it was now connected via exchangable currencies.
6:45 - Yay, Indo-European! This always made me think that integration of the northern half of the empire would be easier, from a linguistic standpoint.
7:55 - I find the lack of Nubian wife disturbing.
13:30 - Vercingetorix was the King of the Belgae, the nation furthest from the Med, and only became leader of the whole Gauls during Ceaser's invasion. Before that Gaul was ruled by 3 states; 2 of which were republics. One of the reasons Ceasers gives for wiping them out was the danger posed by their advancement. Also, I feel like they would have pushed to the Carpathian's for the minerals and defense; then fight the Celts because you KNOW they are raiding the border regions! This kinda makes me think that the centre of the European area of the empire will be around the Danube/Pannonia; albeit, over a process of several centuries.
Also Alexander's chief engineer apparently called, and drew up plans, for sculpting a giant statue of Alexander out of Mount Athos after his death. Never got funded.
These are all excellent observations. You are correct, he probably would have married a Nabataean, but instead in this cannon, Alexander IV married a Nabataean to solidify the treaty
amazing quality videos for a channel with only around 2000 subscribers, keep it up because success will surely follow 🙏
Thank you so much 😀
nearly at 2k already!?! i swear you hit 1k only a week ago, great job man!
thanks, I need to keep making bangers to maintain the growth
3 thousand likes, continue the series.
Really want part 3
do a part 3 por favor
These videos are incredible
thanks so much
Lets go for a part 3 and the empire would probably have to start invading again around 5-11 century A.D
You're going to be big soon
i hope so
Subscribed
This is such an amazing Chanel, I wish that someday you'll get much more subscribers
I hope so, but I am happy with how quickly I got my current subscribers, I need to be patient
Love your videos! Just discovered you, but after binging all your videos you are quickly becoming one of my favorite alt history youtubers! Keep up the good work.
Welcome aboard!
I have a suggestion:Make a video about what if the mongol empire lasted longer. It could be like either they win every war, but I think that they go back and invade a second third whatever time and are successful every time when invading other countries, and it could also have stuff like what if they pushed farther into Europe, and if they beat the mamluks, would they push into Africa. Just a cool thought. Love all your videos btw
Also would love a part 3
nice idea, thanks
this video's audio is better than the last video i commented on, the "raspy"-ish voice really puts me off, and the occasional stuttering hampers the immersion, but i have to say this video's audio was very good, 7/10.
thanks for the feedback
We think worst case scenario is more realistic but we personally like the second scenario more as far as chronology goes!
Looks like you're gonna have to make the next stage of this series soon, though xD
Our vote is for you to pick up from the best case scenario!
"Alexander's Perfect Timeline!"
Today was a good day with a new video out.
thank you
Part 3 will be cool
Wonderful video. Could you do a video about a timeline where Protestant Reformation was avoided or reversed and how the world would be today
yeah, I will do that at some point, but I am not entirely sure how that would work
Still waiting for part 3
Can you do part three?
Man I’m still waiting for the third part of this series to come out 😭😭
I think you should continue and even create more stories about those alt histories, i kinda believe they're unrealistic, but i still appreciate the same, I expect more from this Macedonian timeline and from the italian one also, cheers
I don’t think there is much more to go with the series but if it does good I will, I’m glad you liked it
Hidden gem of a channel
thanks for the good feedback
Plea
se makea part 3 I beg of you
This really needs a part three! It would be really interesting to see how the Macedonians would handle threats like the Huns and Mongold.
part 3 plssss
This is genuinely a significant second part, Mr. Nostradamus. I mean it, for every detail is explained, and imagery on what could have happened with animation mixed with scenes from Bannerlord games is a superb way you're improving and fits well with the story. I prefer the second scenario, where the migration in the Macedon Empire gave the people more options to go and find a new life in many cities. This empire is acting more like the United States of America but in the ancient world, which I love, and both Alexander the Great and Alexander IV are now considered Emperors is a terrific way of showing they have become a tremendous imperial dynasty that might make the Roman emperors jealous for their accomplishment. This Macdeon Empire was more stable and used its resources to develop domestic projects to improve the citizens who lived in the empire and had enemies to fight because those lands did not have any valuable resources. Those locals on those lands were not a problem to the Macdeon Empire, and is there no need for the local tribes to unify against them; what you said is accurate, and the possibility those tribes, along with their families, would probably move there and start a new life to bring good fortune and the start of with trade to following neighboring tribes onto different nations.
And I would love to see a part three to this video, for this series is an absolute masterpiece and is way better than other alternate historian channels ( except for Monusier Z, Possible History, and Josh Sullivan, they are my favorite alternate historian TH-camrs) who should take notes on how to do it but not in a criticizing harsh way but an encouraging way to make their audiences feel more entertained and should try to listen their audiences of new ideas they never heard of before. I'll repeat this, this is incredible and does this channel. No matter what anybody says, always be passionate about what you do best. Always stand tall with pride and accept who you are, for where that makes you unique!
thank you so much for the thoughtful comment. I also like the 2nd option more ( I am a huge fan of Alexander if you can't tell) and I wish this timeline happened. Did you see my animation for Possible History in his mongol video? What did you think of it? I really like those guys as well, but what do you think I can learn from them to improve my own content? Thanks
@@Videntis.History, were you part of the Mongol video? That's so cool, man I really like that video, and thank you for creating that video!
@@benjaminobienu5297 kinda. Made the map animation at the start of the video
Part 3 time Les goooo
Interesting to think of how Roman Mythology would've developed without Greece being under their civilization's rule. Would they still have a recognizable/similar set of Hellenism?
That’s an interesting point
More please
I don't really think he would have conquered India. That would be the limit.
I am not sure if you watched the first part of the series: th-cam.com/video/QJcdYLEXr2M/w-d-xo.html
There needs to be a part III
Great work! Might I ask, is that chart of similar gods across cultures publicly available somewhere? Thank you.
yeah, here is a link to one chart on wikipedia that is very well done: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretatio_graeca. I hope you enjoy reading more about it
@@Videntis.History Thank you so much for that. Subscribed!
My suggestion will be either Alexandria or Alexandretta that replaced Antioch as the new capital. By the way, you did not mention one thing. It's about Christianity. How will the Macedonian Empire react to the rise of Christianity? How will the current Macedonian King react to the peoples on the streets are saying that he is not divine but a mere mortal like the rest of them? Heck, will he even invited Jesus to have a conversation with him in the capital? How will it turned out? And which part of the Empire is the most likely place where Christianity will grow very popular? But most importantly, will Christianity becomes one of the factors to cause the Empire's downfall like how it became one of the factors that brought Rome's downfall? After all, the more and more the peoples kept hearing about spiritual rewards in the afterlife, the less and less they cared about an earthly empire. Not to mention that many women ended up taking the vows to preserve the virginities and chastities for religious reasons as well, thus causing the massive decline in the population with the birth rate thet kept getting lower and lower.
Also, when will you do a video about the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania?
Thats a lot of questions so here is what happened. Alexandretta would become the empires capital in around 50BC. As time rolled on, Macedonian Hegemons would be viewed more as mortals than gods because the greeks would have not deified them, and the culture was hellenic. The more barbarian cultures would have seen them as gods at first, but as they became more greek, that practice would fade out. I have no idea if Jesus would be born, but if he was, Christianity would spread more to the east than the west. I have to disagree with your statement that Christianity was a factor in the fall of the Roman Empire. Your argument shows a lot of misconceptions about the era. The were a variety of factors for the fall of the empire that I went over in my video on the Roman Empire and I do not think religion was a major part. After all, if not for Constantine the Great, the first Christian emperor, Rome would have fallen much faster and the Byzantines may have never survived into the 1400s. The idea that vows of chastities caused a massive population decline is completely false. I have never seen any historical evidence or verifiable numbers to back that up, but if you have proof, I am willing to change my mind. I do not know how Christianity would have mixed with the hellenic empire, but I think it would have become very prominent by the 5th century if it ever existed. I am planning on making a video on the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth in the next month or so, but it depends on a few factors. I am glad you thought out your comment, and I hope my response makes sense :)
@@Videntis.History According to the TH-camr known as Maiorianus, he named his channel after the last man capable of saving the Roman Empire, he stated that Christianity is not one of the major factors. Yes, this one is true. But he also stated that the Roman government never attempted to prevent women from taking up vows of chastity before. After all, it was a common way of escaping the arranged marriages. And the last lime I checked, no women like arranged marriages unless they are in it for money. He also stated that, alongside with reasons such as the debasing of the currency, the civilians are not allowed to bear arms and the troops raised from the Germanic tribes only remained loyal so far as long as the Roman Empire paid them handsomely, the citizens of the Empire also have no interested in fighting for an earthly empire anymore because of the spiritual rewards in the afterlife that awaited them. So yes, Christainity did not destroy the Roman Empire. But it's more of the Roman citizens used it as an excuse to not make themselves looked bad because saying "I don't wanted to fight for the Empire because I did not get paid enough" sound really selfish and bad. This has some of my own opinions that I interpreted on my own after watching the videos from Maiorianus' channel, of course.
You can go check out his channel and watch some his videos. And you will be surprised with the ones such as "Why the late Romans wanted their Empire to fall" or "How the hero emperor Majorian almost restored the Western Roman Empire" for sure.
guess it’s time to make this empire in ck3
Do a video if 4th crusade never happened in Roman Empire
yeah, totally
Hey man this was a excellent video , and as a Indian this was probably a well speculated video for me , I'd love to see how the empire would perform in the future also this video has 3.3k likes now
ngl though, watching this just made me wish this came true lmaooo, could you iamgine this empire lasting long enough to eventually someday becoming the face of a united human identity, then space omg would be so cool
Part 3
This is perfect keep going
Also about the capital i dont think it would change it would probably stay in the same place
For me at least
3k likes drop the sequel please 🙏😭
Great video but I have a question a requestion like what if the ottoman empire was more competent
Perhaps
we have passed 3000 likes, where's my part 3?
I really need a link to that list of deities across different cultures.
PART 3
Honestly it seems far more likely this sprawling mess ends up divided into 3 large empires roughly united, by everybody being Alexanders children, and the realization this empire is too big to govern as one unit without better transportation and messaging speed. Basically roughly India/Pakistan, Egypt/Middle East, and a Mediterranean/Europe.
Best video
thanks for the kind praise
Greek alphabet would have been the norm, instead of Latin, and Christianity which was written in Greek, would have a larger reach of influence. Instead of Romance languages, we'd have thousands of Greek-derivated language all over the world as the primary language, just like we have the many Romance languages that showed up after Rome's fall.
Yeah that’s true good point
I know it's not at 3000 likes but God damn I Crave a part three
Same
Bruvs please like I wanna see part 3
People still waiting for part three
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3000 LIKES YES