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@@Chirchy No, I disagree. Christendom being united in the medieval age will always be corny, cringe, and unlikely. Furthermore, a united Christendom is a more fragile Christendom as can be seen from the early HRE, Roman Empire, and debatably the late Byzantine Empire.. I much prefer the decentralized Christian middle eastern counties and duchies that would slowly unite into their own kingdoms in the later age.
I thought it was really interesting how the European political system is totally shifted by the victorious Crusader States. It would be interesting to see if the Protestant Reformation or something similar would possible take place, shattering the unity of “Mare” Nostrum, or if Christendom would continue as a united force.
@@andyreginald9272 I mean Christianity still wasn't a united force so long as the Catholic and Orthodox Churches continued to exist in schism. If the Catholic Church was as debaucherous and corrupted as it was in our timeline, I wouldn't be surprised to see, with advancing technology (assuming technology really progressed much in this timeline) some kind of revolt or 'amplified heresy' like Protestantism take off. Perhaps it was only a matter of time/inevitable? The Western Church faced multiple heresies across its existence, not many were able to take off.
Possible outcomes: - Crusaders are overconfident after their strings of victories over the fragmented Muslims, and get sloppy. A Mongol victory results - Crusader allies in Armenia are able to harass the Mongol army, so the heavy cavalry of the crusaders can prevail - The Byzantine Empire sees the opportunity to assert their dominance over the crusaders and either ally with the Mongols or extract concessions from the crusaders. - Some combination of the above options.
I like a combination. The Crusader states, in their overconfidence, take to battle and lose badly. As the Mongols begin to move south out of the Caucasus, the Byzantines are approached by both sides. After considering the ties of faith, and laying out conditions that some would later call “extortion”, the Byzantines decide to help the Crusaders. The Mongols meanwhile are harassed by groups like the Armenians before being met by a combined Byzantine-Crusader force.
if you understood the situation of the Byzantines at the time, the last thing on their minds would be to assert dominance over the crusaders, when they pleaded for centuries for the catholic powers to come and aid them fight off the islamic hordes that seemed unending. They would reinforce their border fortifications and lower military spending for a time to rebuild their economy.
Well you said perfect so I'm not making this realistic: Somehow takes Belgium from the Netherlands (including the extra territory like Luxembourg) A 2nd Spanish War of succession because Spain wanted a Hohenzollern king leads to France taking Catonia and Prussia's Rhine territory France gets involved in Italy and puppets Savoy or smth or keeps Venice Papal States basically become a French protectorate/puppet because of the French troops stationed there
My favourite video of yours thus by far. Love how you gave attention to every bit of Europe and made a really well written and exciting scenario, especially your mentioning of Béla III's Byzanto-Hungarian Union made me appreciate it a ton. You better make a part 2, or else
The Cross proves victorious against the mongol plague, this is a "what if the Crusades worked" scenario after all. Also, love your videos man, would it be possible to make a scenario on what if Anoshazad succeeded in his Christian persian endeavours?
@@Videntis.HistoryAnoshazad was the oldest son of Khosrow I, similarly to Constantine the Great he had a Christian mom and converted to Christianity. While Khosrow I was campaigning in syria, he fell ill, and news spread sround Persia he had died (he hadn't), which lead to Anoshazad raising an army to take the throne, believing his father was dead. But he was defeated.
Lol, ending on a Mongol invasion being met by the Roman Emperor of Jerusalem is a 10/10. I’ve crushed them many times as Outremer in CK3 but never as a Norman Outremer that controls Sicily. Was already thinking about doing a Norman run, might dovetail that into this video.
One of the most underrated Alt-Hist channels out there that takes extreme time and effort to make quality maps as well as storytelling. Honestly becoming my favorite channel by far. I'd like to see a second part of this scenario but to keep it on a line of realism and not just a crusader's wet dream, Charles will be defeated by Chorqman's army because of how horse archers were so effective and the tactics utilized by the mongols at the time however I would imagine the diverse network of castles and forts of Jerusalem would lead to the mongol's choice of just ditching the idea of invading Mesopotamia with Persia being a far more ripe fruit to pick. This would end in a scenario where the Euphrates river and the Caucasus mountains would be the division between the two great empires. Though to be honest any scenario you pick would be great cause just having a second episode would put a smile on my face.
@@Videntis.History I don't know whether it would be possible, but I hope there could be a way for you to allow the Byzantines to take advantage of the exhaustion of the Crusader states following the war against the Mongols and thus greatly expand into areas such as Iraq and Syria.
I just love the story, alternate history and maps in your videos especially in this one. All of youre videos always surprise me how original they are and how they stand out from the rest, Good Job, you are my inspiration for starting my own history channel!
I think you’re in luck considering the Eastern Roman Empire’s personal Union with Hungary, and how he said Andronikos was killed by Manuel, meaning that the series of incompetent emperors from Andronikos, to Isaac II, to Alexios III who contributed to the great downfall most likely wouldn’t occur!
It was the murderous crusaders that toppled Constantinople, the loot was so great they never needed to go steal from Jerusalem and the surrounding cities. As a matter of HISTORICAL FACT the loot from Constantinople jumpstarted the western European economy. Just a bunch of briggands, barbarians, germans, rapists, that destroyed Chistianity' heartland!
This might push for a political union between _all_ the British kingdoms and the Netherlands while retaining some local autonomy? So not just England-Scotland as Kingdom of Great Britain but a UK of the British Isles & Low Countries.
I like crusaders but i think it would be very intresting scenario where the mongols would won the battle of edessa( i think its more likely) with edessa falling and other cruaaders states in the east , the shock would lead to something like second crusade of our timeline. Anyways great video as always i enjoyed it. Also i hope that you will keep on and i will be glad to see you becoming more prominent althist youtube channel (maps, voice and edits are very good and the alt timeline is very fun to listen and watch)
Realistically they'll conquer Edessa and Antioch and much of the Levant, but fail to take the coastal fortified cities. It's a toss-up as to whether they'll take Jerusalem, but I think they're more likely to just go around it and cut it off from Egypt. They can probably crush the crusader army of Jerusalem but will probably fail to break into Egye retreating from lack of good pastureland to support their horses.
Alright lads I get that we’re having fun here but that’s just never gonna happen I’ve never seen any Christian no matter how religious claim that they want the holy land back and considering how things are going I doubt that’ll change anytime soon
Here's 2 suggestions. 1. What if the Byzantines survived longer and fled to the North American continent and rebuilt their empire in Canada and the US. (Seems very unrealistic ik) 2. What if everything went perfect for Rome
I think that after Baldwin I, Coptics would desire their own state, look what happened in Byzantine-Sasanian war ( the last one ), where Coptics revolted against Rome when they heard of approaching Persians. Overall nice video. Crusades are wrongly demonised by novadays historians in my opinion, I mean no one was 100% good or 100% bad but still. Liked the video. I have a cool suggestion: What if Theodoric the Great succeded in his plans of restoring the Western Roman Empire or what if Amalasuntha was never usurped by Theodahad? I really liked your Vandal video and more about this time period on these ""barbarian"" kingdoms would be appreciated. Goths, Suebi etc. And if you want a break from alt-history, I propose potential Polish-Vandal link video ( it seems unlikely at the beginning and I was thinking that too, but as I gathered more and more evidence, I got conviced. ). Keep up good work! 👍
@@Videntis.History So basically Theodoric the Great secures throne for his dynasty in Visigothic Spain ( he was only a regent irl ), asuring his family to survive there, by promises of reconquering recently lost by Alaric II - Aquitaine ( which is realistic as Franks always were broken up amongst different Duchies such as Austrasia & Neustria as soon as one King dies ), having his daughter Amalasuntha inherit both Italy & Hispania, and considering that Amalasuntha was on good terms with Justinian ( as she even agreed on raising her son, Athalaric, in Roman virtues, yet he died as teenager due to alcoholism ), Romano-Gothic/Western Gothic Empire might not have fallen that early. Years pass by and as Eastern Rome looses territories to Arabs ( with Africa which Belisarius still very likely would have conquered in 500s ), Tariq could not conquer Hispania due to manpower & resources that this Romano-Gothic Empire would have as well as loyality of the people ( as Theodoric the Great, Amalasuntha & possibly their succesors would be loved by Roman citizens ), resulting in Muslim expansion to be halted likely at decisive battle ( let's say in Carthago Nova or Portus Magnus ). Then Gothic people over time would likely convert to Chalcedonian/Nicaean Christianity, abondoning Arian faith ( which did occur in Visigothic Spain by 500s AD ), giving more legitimacy to Amal/Amaling dynasty. I pressume that this Empire would have survived till Normans would arrive, having ravaged Italy and conquered it while rump state in Hispania would continue. As centuries would have passed, perhaps around 1500s Amalings would have lost Spanish crown and be replaced by a Norman or French royal family. Thank You for considering my scenerio(s), I love Your videos!!
What distortion are you talking about about a group of deviant killers in a war against Muslims who killed innocent people and destroyed and raped him under a lie in the name of religion? Despite this, the Muslims were victorious in the end and liberated Jerusalem. The campaigns against Egypt and North Africa failed, and the Ottomans confronted them in Anatolia and the Balkans. The situation turned into an Ottoman invasion that terrified Europe for centuries.
@@Altier77 It is your point of view ig. History is written by victorious ones. Now Europe is secularised, with many Muslims and Secularists. That's why Crusades are demonized. And I agree the first EVER crusade called "people's crusade" was just a peasant mob which slaughtered, killed, r*ped etc. etc., tho when led by actual monarchs & knights, crusades weren't harmfull for locals ( with a few exceptions like 4th crusade ). I repeat it, neither side is "Holy" and I agree at SOME points with you, tho not in all. Both sides commited crimes, no one talks about how Seljuks massacred pilgrims or did not allow them to be at all, yet everyone talks about how "crusades were bad and wrong". There are both extremists & moderates on all sides always.
I love the looks of the intro and just the graphics, even if you are not having the best performance right now, this is really promising and your work is just so great you will succeed ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. Also can you please do a what if Hannibal Won Second Punic War and Napoleon The Third was successful.😢
I love yours videos. For my, realism isnt THE important thing in AH, so your videos are perfect, because, despite dont being that realistic, are so well done. Hope your channel reaches 50k subscribers.
Loved it! Keep up the amazing work! Suggestion for another Roman scenario: What if Commodus never came to power? Two ways this can go: What if Faustina the Younger married Emperor Lucius Verus instead as Hadrian had intended, or what if Marcus Aurelius adopted a successor instead of Commodus?
You know what I was sad that the Carolingian crusade was out voted at first but this is a pretty fun take on "what if the crusades succeeded" so it's wasn't a great loss
Really well done video Videntis! You've done a great job of showing the cultural, religious, and political consequences of this alternative scenario. I'd love to see a video about what would have happened if the Kingdom of Naples had become a colonial empire. How would it influence the history of Europe and the world? How would the Neapolitan culture have merged with those of other populations? How would it deal with the challenges and opportunities of colonialism? What do you think?
@@Videntis.History The video showed us how the Normans conquered parts of North Africa and the Middle East. It would be interesting to see how Naples, under the rule of Aragon or the Bourbons, could have expanded its colonial influence.
yeah i have a 21 part 8ish hour series on charlemagne thats the most in depth on youtube, im still trying to figure some tech things out though and how to release it, but should be out sporadically over the next few months
Could it be possible that a 2nd part is made? And also, could it be a possibility that with this timeline, the roman empire has a chance to be reformed, mainly since the Roman Empire of Jerusalem exists
Do you think that it would be realistic for Jerusalem to ever conquer Baghdad, even if only for a short time? After all, the city was relatively close to the crusader states in Northern Iraq, and the city would be very enticing for the Christians given its immense wealth and the blow that would be dealt to the Muslims with its capture. Also, do you know or like Jabzy?
If they succeded I think we are basically looking at a completely Christian mediterranean sea, the devide between the western world and the eastern would be from Anatolia and the Levant to the East, ofc that's not even mentioning how northern Africa would end up being christianized as well. Truly fascinating...
“For the grace, for the might of our lord In the name of his glory For the faith, for the way of the sword Come and tell their story Gave their lives so boldly Come and tell the Swiss Guards' story again”
Polish duchies would unite much sooner, as it was an ambition of the prince Henryk Pobożny, who didn't manage to do this as he was killed in the Battle of Legnica, 1241. So a more centralized and western Kingdom of Poland would emerge, probably seeking more expansion into the western than the eastern direction. It could become a stable major player, as the nobles would not get so much influence on the country.
I feel like for the best scenario for the Crusaders, they would have to work with the Roman Empire, and also not betray them, raid them on the way there, and none of the demands Alexios made of the crusaders were ludicrous, or outlandish. I know it's a an absolute perfect scenario for Catholic Crusaders specifically going beyond the Crusades specifically. I also HIGHLY doubt any crusader would be willing to call themselves the Roman Empire with the real Roman Empire being so close, the H.R.E existing still, and of course the fact several locations were expecting to become part of the Roman Empire again. That being said, I expect the H.R.E might do what they did to Russia in our timeline and decree them the Third Rome. In our timeline the Mongolians made a marriage alliance with the Romans, so I imagine that they would likely do the same here, perhaps combining with them in order to move down into the levant so Rome could relcaim their territory.
the byzantines were the ones who backed out of their deal with the crusaders, not the other way around, so it would ridiculous to expect them to pay tribute when you failed to support them during battles
Great video. I think that overtime the cultural differences would cause Jerusalem to split into a Sicilian, Egyptian and Jerusalem Levantine kingdoms. With the Sicilian kingdom remaining one the wealthiest places in Europe it could easily unite Italy much earlier and Egypt and the levant would be fully integrated wealthy parts of the Christian world since the mamluks would never razed and depopulate that region. Islam would be relegated to Persia and northern India. Also with the Mediterranean as a united economic entity southern Europe and North Africa would be as , if not more, wealthy than Northern Europe
I feel like Frankish knights would have absolutely decimated the mongols wherever they could actually catch them, similar to how the crusaders had huge advantages against the more lightly armored Muslims
The optimal timeline: All the Crusades were succesful and all the new crusader states were stable and happy and everyone got along and and there is no dispute over the holy land whatsoever in the current day
This video was very thought-provoking and creative. I enjoyed watching how the history of the world would be different if the Crusades had achieved all their goals. It was fascinating to see how the Crusader states would have expanded and influenced the politics, culture, and religion of the Middle East and Europe. It was also intriguing to imagine how the relations between Christians, Muslims, Jews, and other groups would have changed. I wonder how the Crusades would have affected the development of science, technology, trade, and art. How would the world look like today if the Crusades had gone perfectly?
First thing first: Videntis,thank you very much for liking my previous comment,I Felt honored.😁 To answer to your question: Yes the Crusaders behind the Holy true Cross will absolutly crush the mongols,and impress them so much that revolt will start sparkling inside their Empire,and Mass conversion to Catholicism or Orthodoxy will happen among Mongol people and Troops with some Khans leading this movement. As a Result Kievan Rus never falled and start beating the Khanats and other hostile tribes one by one and quickly began to expend North and allways further toward east (taking the role inherited in our reality by moscovia). In the meantime,the kingdom of Jerusalem,Crusader States,Byzentium will team with Nubian Kingdoms and the Ethiopian Empire to launch an Invasion of the Arabian Peninsula. All the Orders of Warriors Monks will play a great Role in this offensive. Ethiopians wanting Even to reintegrate the area of the modern day yemen. Persia will be quickly subjugated by the Byzentium as Well As the Bagdad Emirate by the retentless assault of the Assyrian State in Alliance with the Crusader. Meanwhile with the Earlier Renaissance,European Powers will be push in a discovery frenzy,and the first Navels will land on the shores of America,The HRE wilk definitly take his part of it.
It's a bit off wrt to England and France. Richard's son would be a William or Henry. His nephew Arthur would remain Duke of Brittany. And John's family would be Dukes of Normandy. France would have to exploit any divisions. I'm guessing that Ireland gets a royal title sooner under a King of England & Navarre who's still Duke of Aquitaine too.
YT doesn't like my longer replies any more than comments mentioning websites 🙄. I have a whole outline of how this Ricardian line England Navarre could proceed
I have a question for this scenario, why would the crusaders restore and not destroy the ancient Egyptian wonders and structures. Also of the crusaders restored the ancient Egyptian wonders, why wouldn’t they restore the Roman structures like the northern African aqueducts
europeans had been maintaining ancient structures for a while, especially christian ones and those important to europe, so structures built by alexander would be important to them imo
I gotta disagree with one thing that being that Baldwin I was arguably the best crusader or leader of Crusader states, that/those titles in my opinion fall on Baldvin IV he was the best there ever was
@@Videntis.History I think, if the Austrians had reformed before any escalations, and if Karl the first had taken power during the war. Maybe it would be like what Italians did during WW2 and turned on the Germans? Also the possibility of a sort of US-style Austrian federalism would be neat! I did not put too much thorough research into any of this and since Austria was unstable from the beginning i think I would need to think on this more. It would definitely be quite unrealistic but I do think it would be fun.
The first crusade was indeed nothing short of a miracle. The geopolitical conditions, timing, and sheer luck was just right for the crusaders for them to conquer the Levantine coast.
I think that this battle would be super close, between 180000 mongols and 140000 crusaders. As the crusaders have morale, and heavy numbers and Christ, but the mongols are light cavlary, like the Parthian’s who defeated a powerful Roman army which was heavily armored at Carrne. But I would want the Christians to win.
Historically, Batu should have led his army to Budapest, but in this world line, Bella IV was still the emperor of Eastern Rome, so after Béla IV's defeat in Budapest, the Mongols might invade the Balkans, but they could not conquer Constantinople, but they would plunder the Balkan countryside, and after this westward expedition, Poland and Rus' were the same as in history, and Rome may have made Béla IV's throne unstable under the destruction of the Mongols, and Palaiologo, Rome's proper, and Michael VIII may unite with the Mongols to rebel against the Hungarians
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Like and comment for p2. Is this a blessed timeline? I'm going to try and reply to every comment so if you have any questions please ask.
For sure.
part 2 OORRAH!
What is the late of the rest of Italy? Does the Romans of Jerusalem gain more legitimacy than the pope?
What is the late of the rest of Italy? Does the Romans of Jerusalem gain more legitimacy than the pope?
What about the Germans they have been devastated. Will they make a comeback on France or hungarobyzantium
The worst enemy of Barbarossa: the rivers.
It’s a canon event
😂😂😂
really?@@Videntis.History
🤣🤣
The red army*
8:01 I’m starting to think that we should keep Barbarossa away from rivers
its a canon event
如果他没有死，他的儿子会长寿吗，我宁愿看到霍亨斯陶芬王朝带领整个德国到波兰和匈牙利对抗蒙古人
@@Videntis.Historycan you do a video about:what if everything went perfect for HRE?
I see Barbarossa as the true German emperor who could truly unite a strong united Germany much like France and england were able to unit themselves.
According to the Khyfhäuser legend, he will return with other great Germans to reunite the empire in its greatest need.@@eidoneverchoosen1171
We NEED a part 2
hope it does good enough for part 2
@@Videntis.Historyyou should definitely unite christendom in part 2, but not in a corny way 😉
@@Videntis.History Please do
@@Chirchy No, I disagree. Christendom being united in the medieval age will always be corny, cringe, and unlikely. Furthermore, a united Christendom is a more fragile Christendom as can be seen from the early HRE, Roman Empire, and debatably the late Byzantine Empire.. I much prefer the decentralized Christian middle eastern counties and duchies that would slowly unite into their own kingdoms in the later age.
I’ve been a Crusades fanboy since middle school, and this video makes my day!
glad you liked it, thoughts on the video?
I thought it was really interesting how the European political system is totally shifted by the victorious Crusader States. It would be interesting to see if the Protestant Reformation or something similar would possible take place, shattering the unity of “Mare” Nostrum, or if Christendom would continue as a united force.
@@andyreginald9272 I mean Christianity still wasn't a united force so long as the Catholic and Orthodox Churches continued to exist in schism. If the Catholic Church was as debaucherous and corrupted as it was in our timeline, I wouldn't be surprised to see, with advancing technology (assuming technology really progressed much in this timeline) some kind of revolt or 'amplified heresy' like Protestantism take off. Perhaps it was only a matter of time/inevitable? The Western Church faced multiple heresies across its existence, not many were able to take off.
@@Videntis.Historytalk more about Ethiopia and Sudan
go back to reality
Possible outcomes:
- Crusaders are overconfident after their strings of victories over the fragmented Muslims, and get sloppy. A Mongol victory results
- Crusader allies in Armenia are able to harass the Mongol army, so the heavy cavalry of the crusaders can prevail
- The Byzantine Empire sees the opportunity to assert their dominance over the crusaders and either ally with the Mongols or extract concessions from the crusaders.
- Some combination of the above options.
I like a combination. The Crusader states, in their overconfidence, take to battle and lose badly. As the Mongols begin to move south out of the Caucasus, the Byzantines are approached by both sides. After considering the ties of faith, and laying out conditions that some would later call “extortion”, the Byzantines decide to help the Crusaders. The Mongols meanwhile are harassed by groups like the Armenians before being met by a combined Byzantine-Crusader force.
good idea, it would be interesting to see what would happen
@@cubefreak123Maybe a personal union either the Byzantine Empire being the successor to the Norman being the Senior Partner
@@Videntis.Historyindeed! Wanna see a sequel!
if you understood the situation of the Byzantines at the time, the last thing on their minds would be to assert dominance over the crusaders, when they pleaded for centuries for the catholic powers to come and aid them fight off the islamic hordes that seemed unending. They would reinforce their border fortifications and lower military spending for a time to rebuild their economy.
That looks amazing man! Suggestion: What if everything went perfectly For Napoleón III?
good idea
@@Videntis.History Thanks!
Well you said perfect so I'm not making this realistic:
Somehow takes Belgium from the Netherlands (including the extra territory like Luxembourg)
A 2nd Spanish War of succession because Spain wanted a Hohenzollern king leads to France taking Catonia and Prussia's Rhine territory
France gets involved in Italy and puppets Savoy or smth or keeps Venice
Papal States basically become a French protectorate/puppet because of the French troops stationed there
@@Videntis.History Please do this!!!
@@Videntis.History Ooh Yes!!
My favourite video of yours thus by far. Love how you gave attention to every bit of Europe and made a really well written and exciting scenario, especially your mentioning of Béla III's Byzanto-Hungarian Union made me appreciate it a ton. You better make a part 2, or else
Glad you enjoyed it!
let's be real. Bela would have been killed by his courtiers or deposed by a Greek general lol
@@owoc8260it would have been awesome as a Hungarian, but the Roman’s were so xenophobic at the time no non romaioi could be emperor
@@pbobmapping4178 just excluded the syrians and Armenians then
The Cross proves victorious against the mongol plague, this is a "what if the Crusades worked" scenario after all. Also, love your videos man, would it be possible to make a scenario on what if Anoshazad succeeded in his Christian persian endeavours?
i'm not familiar with that topic, can you explain a bit more?
@@Videntis.HistoryAnoshazad was the oldest son of Khosrow I, similarly to Constantine the Great he had a Christian mom and converted to Christianity. While Khosrow I was campaigning in syria, he fell ill, and news spread sround Persia he had died (he hadn't), which lead to Anoshazad raising an army to take the throne, believing his father was dead. But he was defeated.
So it'd basically be a "What if Persia became Christian" scenario
Lol, ending on a Mongol invasion being met by the Roman Emperor of Jerusalem is a 10/10. I’ve crushed them many times as Outremer in CK3 but never as a Norman Outremer that controls Sicily. Was already thinking about doing a Norman run, might dovetail that into this video.
gotta try it in ck3, im sure it would be fun
One of the most underrated Alt-Hist channels out there that takes extreme time and effort to make quality maps as well as storytelling. Honestly becoming my favorite channel by far. I'd like to see a second part of this scenario but to keep it on a line of realism and not just a crusader's wet dream, Charles will be defeated by Chorqman's army because of how horse archers were so effective and the tactics utilized by the mongols at the time however I would imagine the diverse network of castles and forts of Jerusalem would lead to the mongol's choice of just ditching the idea of invading Mesopotamia with Persia being a far more ripe fruit to pick. This would end in a scenario where the Euphrates river and the Caucasus mountains would be the division between the two great empires. Though to be honest any scenario you pick would be great cause just having a second episode would put a smile on my face.
thanks so much for the kind words, I think the castles would prevent the mongols from pushing even if they were victorious. I hope theres a part 2
@@Videntis.History I don't know whether it would be possible, but I hope there could be a way for you to allow the Byzantines to take advantage of the exhaustion of the Crusader states following the war against the Mongols and thus greatly expand into areas such as Iraq and Syria.
I just love the story, alternate history and maps in your videos especially in this one. All of youre videos always surprise me how original they are and how they stand out from the rest, Good Job, you are my inspiration for starting my own history channel!
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Thank you very much!
We definitely need part 2. As a Greek i hope that there would not be anything like 4th crusade in this timeline 😅
I think you’re in luck considering the Eastern Roman Empire’s personal Union with Hungary, and how he said Andronikos was killed by Manuel, meaning that the series of incompetent emperors from Andronikos, to Isaac II, to Alexios III who contributed to the great downfall most likely wouldn’t occur!
yeah probably no 4th crusade, if anything the 2 churches would grow back together due to the mongols
Wash your mouth with soap.
You know the rules: We don’t talk about the fourth crusade.
@@SupremeMetalOverlord what crusade?
@@antiepix9555 good answer.
The most important thing would be that the Ottomans would've never reached full strength, so... CONSTANTINOPLE
Based
@@Videntis.History indeed
No latin empire i think Cause no fourth crusade
@@mohamedkiyaan3899 that's good 👍
It was the murderous crusaders that toppled Constantinople, the loot was so great they never needed to go steal from Jerusalem and the surrounding cities. As a matter of HISTORICAL FACT the loot from Constantinople jumpstarted the western European economy. Just a bunch of briggands, barbarians, germans, rapists, that destroyed Chistianity' heartland!
great scenario, didnt feel ultra unrealistic, loved it! keep pumpin em out
That's the plan!
Idea: What if England and the Dutch stayed in a personal union after the glorious revolution?
它将成为哈布斯堡王朝和波旁王朝的目标，并能够以十字军东征新教徒的名义获得教皇的支持
nice idea
This might push for a political union between _all_ the British kingdoms and the Netherlands while retaining some local autonomy?
So not just England-Scotland as Kingdom of Great Britain but a UK of the British Isles & Low Countries.
I like crusaders but i think it would be very intresting scenario where the mongols would won the battle of edessa( i think its more likely) with edessa falling and other cruaaders states in the east , the shock would lead to something like second crusade of our timeline. Anyways great video as always i enjoyed it. Also i hope that you will keep on and i will be glad to see you becoming more prominent althist youtube channel (maps, voice and edits are very good and the alt timeline is very fun to listen and watch)
thanks man, i hope i keep it up and get bigger
Realistically they'll conquer Edessa and Antioch and much of the Levant, but fail to take the coastal fortified cities. It's a toss-up as to whether they'll take Jerusalem, but I think they're more likely to just go around it and cut it off from Egypt. They can probably crush the crusader army of Jerusalem but will probably fail to break into Egye retreating from lack of good pastureland to support their horses.
Assyrians mentioned RAHHH
We must claim the holy land
Yes
When the right opportunity occurs then it’d be best.
@@winterinvicta Indeed my friend
Alright lads I get that we’re having fun here but that’s just never gonna happen I’ve never seen any Christian no matter how religious claim that they want the holy land back and considering how things are going I doubt that’ll change anytime soon
Soooo happy to see the Crusades are finally getting the mainstream attention it deserves
glaf you liked it
Here's 2 suggestions.
1. What if the Byzantines survived longer and fled to the North American continent and rebuilt their empire in Canada and the US. (Seems very unrealistic ik)
2. What if everything went perfect for Rome
yeah sounds good, i have a byzantine video coming next month
Excellent suggestions.
Videntis is probably one of the coolest alternate history youtuber, subscribing.
thanks man
He is the best
I think that after Baldwin I, Coptics would desire their own state, look what happened in Byzantine-Sasanian war ( the last one ), where Coptics revolted against Rome when they heard of approaching Persians. Overall nice video. Crusades are wrongly demonised by novadays historians in my opinion, I mean no one was 100% good or 100% bad but still. Liked the video.
I have a cool suggestion: What if Theodoric the Great succeded in his plans of restoring the Western Roman Empire or what if Amalasuntha was never usurped by Theodahad?
I really liked your Vandal video and more about this time period on these ""barbarian"" kingdoms would be appreciated. Goths, Suebi etc. And if you want a break from alt-history, I propose potential Polish-Vandal link video ( it seems unlikely at the beginning and I was thinking that too, but as I gathered more and more evidence, I got conviced. ).
Keep up good work! 👍
i lilke the theodoric idea, if you can expand on it it would be interesting
@@Videntis.History So basically Theodoric the Great secures throne for his dynasty in Visigothic Spain ( he was only a regent irl ), asuring his family to survive there, by promises of reconquering recently lost by Alaric II - Aquitaine ( which is realistic as Franks always were broken up amongst different Duchies such as Austrasia & Neustria as soon as one King dies ), having his daughter Amalasuntha inherit both Italy & Hispania, and considering that Amalasuntha was on good terms with Justinian ( as she even agreed on raising her son, Athalaric, in Roman virtues, yet he died as teenager due to alcoholism ), Romano-Gothic/Western Gothic Empire might not have fallen that early. Years pass by and as Eastern Rome looses territories to Arabs ( with Africa which Belisarius still very likely would have conquered in 500s ), Tariq could not conquer Hispania due to manpower & resources that this Romano-Gothic Empire would have as well as loyality of the people ( as Theodoric the Great, Amalasuntha & possibly their succesors would be loved by Roman citizens ), resulting in Muslim expansion to be halted likely at decisive battle ( let's say in Carthago Nova or Portus Magnus ). Then Gothic people over time would likely convert to Chalcedonian/Nicaean Christianity, abondoning Arian faith ( which did occur in Visigothic Spain by 500s AD ), giving more legitimacy to Amal/Amaling dynasty. I pressume that this Empire would have survived till Normans would arrive, having ravaged Italy and conquered it while rump state in Hispania would continue. As centuries would have passed, perhaps around 1500s Amalings would have lost Spanish crown and be replaced by a Norman or French royal family.
Thank You for considering my scenerio(s), I love Your videos!!
What distortion are you talking about about a group of deviant killers in a war against Muslims who killed innocent people and destroyed and raped him under a lie in the name of religion? Despite this, the Muslims were victorious in the end and liberated Jerusalem. The campaigns against Egypt and North Africa failed, and the Ottomans confronted them in Anatolia and the Balkans. The situation turned into an Ottoman invasion that terrified Europe for centuries.
@@Altier77 It is your point of view ig. History is written by victorious ones. Now Europe is secularised, with many Muslims and Secularists. That's why Crusades are demonized. And I agree the first EVER crusade called "people's crusade" was just a peasant mob which slaughtered, killed, r*ped etc. etc., tho when led by actual monarchs & knights, crusades weren't harmfull for locals ( with a few exceptions like 4th crusade ).
I repeat it, neither side is "Holy" and I agree at SOME points with you, tho not in all. Both sides commited crimes, no one talks about how Seljuks massacred pilgrims or did not allow them to be at all, yet everyone talks about how "crusades were bad and wrong".
There are both extremists & moderates on all sides always.
I love the looks of the intro and just the graphics, even if you are not having the best performance right now, this is really promising and your work is just so great you will succeed ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. Also can you please do a what if Hannibal Won Second Punic War and Napoleon The Third was successful.😢
if you write the hannibal scipt i will make it a video, so up to you if you want to see it
@@Videntis.History I could do it, could you put the link again so I can send it, in the near future?
This video is the best alt hist video I've ever seen. Not by idea or concept, but by the immersion, realism, and details. Holy hell.
Thanks man
I’ve always loved the crusades since I was 6, and all these years later and someone finally explores this alt his (great job)
I love yours videos. For my, realism isnt THE important thing in AH, so your videos are perfect, because, despite dont being that realistic, are so well done. Hope your channel reaches 50k subscribers.
Glad you like them!
I love that somehow Barbarrossa still managed to drown.
its a canon event
You should honestly make a part II this is so good
That I wish this was real
probably well cause its doing good
The good ending
Deus Vult! Great Video
Suggestion: What if Japan become a christian state led by a Christian Daimyo during the Sengoku Period.
can explain a bit more
nice!
suggestion:What if the Umayyads won the battle of Tours?
cool, so islamic occitania
8:13 Pretty cool that we got to see Basil II the Bulgar Slayer's legacy honored in such a way.
gotta do what you gotta do, probably no bulgars left in this timeline
@@Videntis.History Good ending?
not so much :/@@bossy1496
At the end of the day, Kaloyan the Roman-slayer was victorious.
@@petrilio True but at least Alexios got time to take the throne and politely tell the last few Manichaeans in Europe to stop committing simony.
We need this to be an actual series
Would love to see a part two, great video!
Cool, thanks!
I really wish the Cathars had been allowed to exist, they were such a fascinating sect.
Feels like a great playthrough of ck3
We really really really NEED a part 2
probably will happen
Loved it! Keep up the amazing work!
Suggestion for another Roman scenario: What if Commodus never came to power? Two ways this can go: What if Faustina the Younger married Emperor Lucius Verus instead as Hadrian had intended, or what if Marcus Aurelius adopted a successor instead of Commodus?
interesting
the effects and sound are very vivid
one of the best videos ever seen on TH-cam, please do a second part
Videntis has the best speaking voice out of all of the Alt History TH-camrs. He sounds like someone who spent years researching and studying history.
thanks a lot
@@Videntis.History Hey buddy, can I help bridge the dividing Alt History community you've spoken about?
You know what I was sad that the Carolingian crusade was out voted at first but this is a pretty fun take on "what if the crusades succeeded" so it's wasn't a great loss
i'm dying to see a second part man
Really well done video Videntis! You've done a great job of showing the cultural, religious, and political consequences of this alternative scenario. I'd love to see a video about what would have happened if the Kingdom of Naples had become a colonial empire. How would it influence the history of Europe and the world? How would the Neapolitan culture have merged with those of other populations? How would it deal with the challenges and opportunities of colonialism? What do you think?
naples under which dynasty? normans? hohenstaufen? aragonese? bourbons?
Normans founders of Sicilian Kingdom
@@Videntis.History The video showed us how the Normans conquered parts of North Africa and the Middle East. It would be interesting to see how Naples, under the rule of Aragon or the Bourbons, could have expanded its colonial influence.
I love this! Part two please. 😎👍
thanks, coming soon
What if Brazil maintain as an Empire and became the big power in the world
Well, I really like your videos, will there be any videos about Charlemagne, or if the Carolingian empire continued?
yeah i have a 21 part 8ish hour series on charlemagne thats the most in depth on youtube, im still trying to figure some tech things out though and how to release it, but should be out sporadically over the next few months
Seeing the byzantines in this state makes me sad and both happy they FINALLY made the Danube safe
only took 1500 years
I think a better name for a Jerusalem Empire, would be the Oriental Empire of Outremer. But other than that, pretty good.
nah, they are the real ROMAN EMPIRE :)
we need part two this is so interesting
thanks
The end of this video was like waking up from a dream 😂 if only!
Love this new style of yours, I can see the improvement. W vid man
thanks
Could it be possible that a 2nd part is made? And also, could it be a possibility that with this timeline, the roman empire has a chance to be reformed, mainly since the Roman Empire of Jerusalem exists
Yeah Roma Invicta
Life could be a dream life could be a dream
This video is weapons grade copium. And I absolutely love it.
Edit: I can't believe he murdered freddy...
It’s a canon event that he drowns in a River
Barbarossa always drowns in a river somewhere. It's an AH trope!
Why let anything get in the way of a good crusade?
Do you think that it would be realistic for Jerusalem to ever conquer Baghdad, even if only for a short time? After all, the city was relatively close to the crusader states in Northern Iraq, and the city would be very enticing for the Christians given its immense wealth and the blow that would be dealt to the Muslims with its capture.
Also, do you know or like Jabzy?
If they succeded I think we are basically looking at a completely Christian mediterranean sea, the devide between the western world and the eastern would be from Anatolia and the Levant to the East, ofc that's not even mentioning how northern Africa would end up being christianized as well. Truly fascinating...
yeah thats what i thought as well
There's still hope! Lets pray for a strong leader to once again unite us!
We need part 2 now
I wish but it doesn’t look like that’s happening sadly
@@Videntis.History how so?
@@Videntis.History you know you don’t need likes to make a part 2
@@Videntis.History Just make it anyways.
Lets go! Crusader states!
deus vult
What if Sweeden united scandinavia, or what if the kalamar union survived
at what time?
@@Videntis.History for Sweden the great Northern war and for Kalmar union anytime you see fit.
Deus vult
amen
@@Videntis.History May the Kafirs triumph inshallah
My idea: make a two choice scenario about the battle of Edessa
nah not my style
Btw quick tip, Khwarezmid is actually pronounced like Sh-waris-mid
good to know
“For the grace, for the might of our lord
In the name of his glory
For the faith, for the way of the sword
Come and tell their story
Gave their lives so boldly
Come and tell the Swiss Guards' story again”
Can’t wait to recreate this in CK3
Whqt if everything went perfect for Barbarossa
Hello, there are 3 thousand likes on the video with the Macedonian empire, you promised a sequel
Polish duchies would unite much sooner, as it was an ambition of the prince Henryk Pobożny, who didn't manage to do this as he was killed in the Battle of Legnica, 1241. So a more centralized and western Kingdom of Poland would emerge, probably seeking more expansion into the western than the eastern direction. It could become a stable major player, as the nobles would not get so much influence on the country.
Wait why
I feel like for the best scenario for the Crusaders, they would have to work with the Roman Empire, and also not betray them, raid them on the way there, and none of the demands Alexios made of the crusaders were ludicrous, or outlandish. I know it's a an absolute perfect scenario for Catholic Crusaders specifically going beyond the Crusades specifically. I also HIGHLY doubt any crusader would be willing to call themselves the Roman Empire with the real Roman Empire being so close, the H.R.E existing still, and of course the fact several locations were expecting to become part of the Roman Empire again. That being said, I expect the H.R.E might do what they did to Russia in our timeline and decree them the Third Rome. In our timeline the Mongolians made a marriage alliance with the Romans, so I imagine that they would likely do the same here, perhaps combining with them in order to move down into the levant so Rome could relcaim their territory.
the byzantines were the ones who backed out of their deal with the crusaders, not the other way around, so it would ridiculous to expect them to pay tribute when you failed to support them during battles
Great video. I think that overtime the cultural differences would cause Jerusalem to split into a Sicilian, Egyptian and Jerusalem Levantine kingdoms. With the Sicilian kingdom remaining one the wealthiest places in Europe it could easily unite Italy much earlier and Egypt and the levant would be fully integrated wealthy parts of the Christian world since the mamluks would never razed and depopulate that region. Islam would be relegated to Persia and northern India. Also with the Mediterranean as a united economic entity southern Europe and North Africa would be as , if not more, wealthy than Northern Europe
maybe, or the empire could stick together and push further east
I feel like Frankish knights would have absolutely decimated the mongols wherever they could actually catch them, similar to how the crusaders had huge advantages against the more lightly armored Muslims
Here is the Opposite of this video. What if Mehmed the Conquerer Conquered Italy? BTW I like your Mapping style.
Good idea
Also, what if Timur had Invaded China?
Blessed timeline I wish for this to be a reality, I can’t wait for this to be continued
Glad you liked it
What if the Cathar Religion survived or even grew? I don’t know what that would but might be interesting.
good idea
"The crusades are without doubt the most controversial topic in history"
Hitler Enters the Chat
Holocaust Enters the Chat
does anyone defend that though? people argue all the time about the crusades but everyone knows h was evil
Controversy generally involves debate. Pretty sure anyone pro-Holocaust belong to a very small group.
@@cubefreak123yeah
This is a much better world in every way than the one we live in now.
The optimal timeline: All the Crusades were succesful and all the new crusader states were stable and happy and everyone got along and and there is no dispute over the holy land whatsoever in the current day
This video was very thought-provoking and creative. I enjoyed watching how the history of the world would be different if the Crusades had achieved all their goals. It was fascinating to see how the Crusader states would have expanded and influenced the politics, culture, and religion of the Middle East and Europe. It was also intriguing to imagine how the relations between Christians, Muslims, Jews, and other groups would have changed. I wonder how the Crusades would have affected the development of science, technology, trade, and art. How would the world look like today if the Crusades had gone perfectly?
First thing first:
Videntis,thank you very much for liking my previous comment,I Felt honored.😁
To answer to your question:
Yes the Crusaders behind the Holy true Cross will absolutly crush the mongols,and impress them so much that revolt will start sparkling inside their Empire,and Mass conversion to Catholicism or Orthodoxy will happen among Mongol people and Troops with some Khans leading this movement.
As a Result Kievan Rus never falled and start beating the Khanats and other hostile tribes one by one and quickly began to expend North and allways further toward east (taking the role inherited in our reality by moscovia).
In the meantime,the kingdom of Jerusalem,Crusader States,Byzentium will team with Nubian Kingdoms and the Ethiopian Empire to launch an Invasion of the Arabian Peninsula. All the Orders of Warriors Monks will play a great Role in this offensive.
Ethiopians wanting Even to reintegrate the area of the modern day yemen.
Persia will be quickly subjugated by the Byzentium as Well As the Bagdad Emirate by the retentless assault of the Assyrian State in Alliance with the Crusader.
Meanwhile with the Earlier Renaissance,European Powers will be push in a discovery frenzy,and the first Navels will land on the shores of America,The HRE wilk definitly take his part of it.
maybe, but i could see the byzantines and crusaders becoming enemies
What if the Roman empire survived in the Italian peninsula? (like they defeated Odoacer or something)
Great idea
Felt like I was watching an actual documentary
Thanks
DEVS M-FING VVLT!!!
It's a bit off wrt to England and France.
Richard's son would be a William or Henry.
His nephew Arthur would remain Duke of Brittany.
And John's family would be Dukes of Normandy.
France would have to exploit any divisions.
I'm guessing that Ireland gets a royal title sooner under a King of England & Navarre who's still Duke of Aquitaine too.
Yeah god point, there’s a more detailed version that I couldn’t use because of TH-cam but good to know
YT doesn't like my longer replies any more than comments mentioning websites 🙄.
I have a whole outline of how this Ricardian line England Navarre could proceed
Part two please 🙏
Coming soon
I have a question for this scenario, why would the crusaders restore and not destroy the ancient Egyptian wonders and structures. Also of the crusaders restored the ancient Egyptian wonders, why wouldn’t they restore the Roman structures like the northern African aqueducts
europeans had been maintaining ancient structures for a while, especially christian ones and those important to europe, so structures built by alexander would be important to them imo
The crusaders probably wouldn't win. The Mongols were at the height of their military competence.
Great vid.
Suggestion: What if Tamerlane invaded China?
Thanks for the idea!
I gotta disagree with one thing that being that Baldwin I was arguably the best crusader or leader of Crusader states, that/those titles in my opinion fall on Baldvin IV he was the best there ever was
Well Baldwin I was the reason the kingdom even had a chance of surviving but Baldwin IV was pretty cool too
PART 2!! PART 2!! PART 2!! PART 2!!
Glad you liked it
videntis never disappoints
Thanks for the kind words
Come on! More likes!
You should do what if Austria held together after world war one!!
how would that happen?
@@Videntis.History I think, if the Austrians had reformed before any escalations, and if Karl the first had taken power during the war. Maybe it would be like what Italians did during WW2 and turned on the Germans? Also the possibility of a sort of US-style Austrian federalism would be neat! I did not put too much thorough research into any of this and since Austria was unstable from the beginning i think I would need to think on this more. It would definitely be quite unrealistic but I do think it would be fun.
This scenario looks great. Have you considered writing an alternate history novel?
no too much work
The first crusade was indeed nothing short of a miracle.
The geopolitical conditions, timing, and sheer luck was just right for the crusaders for them to conquer the Levantine coast.
I think that this battle would be super close, between 180000 mongols and 140000 crusaders. As the crusaders have morale, and heavy numbers and Christ, but the mongols are light cavlary, like the Parthian’s who defeated a powerful Roman army which was heavily armored at Carrne. But I would want the Christians to win.
yeah not sure who would win
The second siege of Vienna was the last crusade.
Great Video! I wonder if anything is going to happened to the Rus after this battle. Overall Like always a high quality and based video!
Good question!
@@Videntis.History Can't wait then!
@Videntis.History Also btw, I know already said this but your one the best alt-his channels! :)
Historically, Batu should have led his army to Budapest, but in this world line, Bella IV was still the emperor of Eastern Rome, so after Béla IV's defeat in Budapest, the Mongols might invade the Balkans, but they could not conquer Constantinople, but they would plunder the Balkan countryside, and after this westward expedition, Poland and Rus' were the same as in history, and Rome may have made Béla IV's throne unstable under the destruction of the Mongols, and Palaiologo, Rome's proper, and Michael VIII may unite with the Mongols to rebel against the Hungarians