What if America was successful in its artic ambitions. What if america successfully purchased all 3 artic territories Alaska Greenland Canada west of Rupert land.
I love your channel! You should definitely do a video on if the Crusader States survived long term. Seeing Frankish, Byzantine and Eastern cultures mix would be fascinating.
*In all honesty this doesn't feel too realistic to me, it all turned out too good for them 😂 In history usually when things start going well for you someone betrays you lol. Nevertheless I really enjoyed it and I would definitely like to see where this goes in a part two. Even if at this point we are so far removed from our timeline it's just fan-fiction haha* *P.S. The production quality is outstanding. I especially appreciate the subtitles, most people don't bother with them but I think good subtitles are the difference between a good or a great video. Bravo*
Thanks for the feedback. Also glad you enjoy the subtitles, I want to make sure just about anyone can watch and enjoy my videos, even if you don’t speak english
Well yes he tends to go with optimistic scenarios. The more likely scenario is that Charles and his brother end up mired in a quagmire, that other powers use to back up the weaker side to reduce Carolingean strength.
@@anvos658 Yep, nothing ever going wrong for the Franks here, makes this a very unlikely scenario. I really expected a king or two dying in conquest, resulting in a setback for a while. Handing them North Africa this early into the scenario is especially weird. The Franks had less administrative and engineering infrastructure than the Romans had - how would they rule over such a vast empire? The Romans could manage this with multiple imperators at the same time, but how would the Frankish kings do this - without nominating powerful vassals to rule over each portion of the empire? 21:12 "Absence of Feudalism" - lol why how?? Faster advancement than in our timeline - again how?? After all, creating a huge culturally and religiously unified and thus soon stagnant Blob-Empire is not necessarily conducive for fast scientific advancement. Of course, universities and education can help, but why would those be set up? The scenario neglects the Turks/Seljuqs. Plagues or other desasters? Power struggles against the church? Heretic movements were a huge factor in the time too. And Transelbia? (Brandenberg, Poland, Bohemia?) The areas were, sorry to say so, a mix between woody sandboxes, woody mountains and woody swampland. Yes, the tribes of the area had been advancing too, but in OTL it took the same 400 centuries for the buildup that is achieved here in merely 100 years, by the year 900 at latest. The Franks had nothing to gain from there this early - not without massive undertakings in building new infrastructure, colonization, and mission. Where do they gain the manpower to maintain control there, and in Hungary too?
I got one word for this: OUTSTANDING! Charlemanage's Empire survived, becoming the true Roman Empire is a brilliant and creative alternate history story, and this is a beautiful masterpiece, Mr. Videntis. I really mean it, and I love to see a part two and even part three, for this one deserves to become a mini-series of its own. But I never thought the Cariologan Empire would be a match for the Vikings with the HRE in its place, and the Normans staying in the British Isles instead of Normandy means no Normandy invasion of England, and forming an alliance to the true Roman Empire is kind surprised me. As for what happens next, I would speculate the Carolingian Empire would forge an alliance with England, the Byzantine Empire, and Hungary against the might of the Mongols and might even help the people of Kievan Rus and even join forces against the Mongols for the greater good for Europe and Christianity. Anyway, this is a great video, my friend, and please keep up the fantastic work and always remember you are worthy of respect and recognition; don't forget that! Here are some engaging alternate history scenarios for the future: What if Sehadze Musta had become the next Sultan of the Ottoman Empire? Suppose his father, Suleiman the Magnificent, stopped or ordered the execution of his firstborn son. How did Musta, as Sultan, take the Ottoman Empire in a different direction than his predecessors? What if the Ottomans conquer Persia? What are ways could the Ottomans could do to bale to annex the entire Persian Empire, and would there be a greater Ottoman Empire with the conquest of Persia, and how this be impactful and beneficial to the Ottomans? What if the death and exile of Catherine of Aragon sparked aggressive conflicts between the Kingdom of England and the Holy Roman Empire? There were rumors that Henry VIII had poisoned Catherine himself but later discovered by autopsy that some stomach cancer had killed her. Not only that, but Catherine is also the aunt of Charles the 5th ( Holy Roman Emperor), for he is the son of Joanna the Mad Castile, who happen to be the sister of Catherine. If the rumors were true that Henry VIII did, in fact, poison Catherine, what would the reaction of Charles V be, and would he want not to risk a war against England? Also, Catherine was very popular and was liked by the English people, and in the original timeline, Henry VIII was infamous for beheading his wives for not producing a male heir but also because they were not liked by the English people or the English nobility. Catherine is well-liked by the English aristocracy for her. Influential in politics, Catherine was known to be the Queen of the people, for she cared for her English subjects. Henry VIII had never done that to Catherine because he feared some massive rebellion or revolt by his English subjects and nobles against him. Catherine was liked by the people and the nobility for that; he had her exiled and imprisoned instead. Could Herny VIII's involvement with Catherine's death be an alternate English Civil War, and could Mary, his daughter, start an English Civil War to avenge her mother's death? How this be impactful and which sides join on Engalnd's and the HRE's side, and who will be the victor of this war? Would there be a war of England against the might of the Holy Roman Empire? If any victor won this war, how would European history change? What if Ivan III, known as Ivan the Terrible, never killed his firstborn son, Ivan Ivananocih, the future heir of the Tsardom of Russia? Would the Russian Empire be formed by the Rurkird Dynasty instead of the Romavos? How would Russia differ from the Rurkirds as the oldest imperial dynasty to rule Russia? How does this change with the Rukird Dynasty never going extinct? What if Napoleon II had lived if Napeloen Bonparte had accepted the Frankfurt Prospal and married Princess Sophia of Bavaria? What would France be like under Napeoloen's reign as Emperor in a peaceful region, and would Napeloen II be a good ruler just like his father, and is it possible for Napeloen ad Princess Baviraconive, an heir to the Imperial French Throne? Fun fact: Princess Sophia of Bavaria is the daughter of Joseph Maximilian I, King of Bavaria, and is the mother of Franz Joesph Hapburg, Emperor of the Austro-Hungraain Empire. Which of these scenarios do you like best, Mr. Videntis? And which these scenarios are your favirotes and which ones you never heard ebfore and why?
These are all incredible scenarios, but tbh man you sound like you know so much about these historical events I actually want to see what YOU think would happen. I encourage you to make a TH-cam video on this, I think you would make a really good one which would be realistic in its predictions. I mean at least that's the vibe I'm getting haha, you seem like you know what you're talking about
Incredible video man! Specially loved the alliance and friendship between the carthaginians and Byzantines! Suggestion: What if Harold II "The Great" Godwinson, slayed William of normandy and routed his army at hastings?
In interesting scenario would be that Otto III never died young. He would have solidified Imperial rule over Italy and the Papacy. And he would have married Zoe, the niece of Basil II and the eldest daughter of Constantine VIII. He could definitely have staked a claim to the Eastern Roman Empire by 1028.
Videntis, i loved this video and knew your channel by it, that i convinced my history teacher to show the video on the projector of the classroom on her class! Thank you so much for making your incredible videos😊
West and East would grow culturally and theologically distinct. A surviving Western Roman Empire would still look like modern Western Mediterrenean but more Catholic conservative.
@@Boo-lr8fj my first impression is that first they lose, then they retake it. If the WRE manages to either retain or regain its African territories we might see the survival of AfroRomance, it would be a Province akin to Spain but with more desert.
Suggests: What if the Habsburgs all unite? What if the Byzantine-Sasanian War never happened? What if Islam got wiped out? What if Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, become one religion?
@@Videntis.History yeah that was great to watch. How did you capture the authentic tone of historical sources? The peculiarity of languages used was significant and became harder to differentiate between real and imagined.
Really fun scenario! One thing that I think would be good to add are the struggles the country your making the scenario on goes through, so It's more realistic. This could also ve used to explain some major change, like for example here, having a major dynastic civil war lead to the succesion reforms
The mighty Frankish empire vs the the great Mongol horde would be an interesting showdown for sure I'd say they would be stopped somewhere around Prague with heavy casualties on both factions, first on europeans civilians and armies and then on eventually vanquished mongols as they get hunted down by reinforcing armies from the empire
That would mean the Mexican Empire or at least it's borders would survive. that's sounds like a recipe for lasting animosity post war, when Mexico lost in OTL it never really rebounded and has been subject to US Influence ever since. For this greater Mexico to survive it would need to become relevant both militarily and economically to hope to stave off Manifest Destiny and it wouldn't be easy at all. The consequences are so out there I couldn't make it cohesive, North American Cold War?, Alternative American Civil War? War of Mexican succession? It's all over the place!
This timeline's Carolingian Empire is really untrustworthy and I love it ! First they're friendly with the Pope, only to then seize his lands and make him a puppet. First they conquer land from the Byzantines and then they help them conquer other lands. That is very cunning stratedy and , to me, kind of funny. Great video !
i suggested this a while ago and i also suggested what if the mongols also had primogeniture from the beginning and never exploded into multiple successor states
@@RodolfoGaming well yes but after the dismissal of Bismarck Wilhelm’s aggressive foreign policy made this impossible. He sent mixed messages, trying to play both sides. Demonizing the British and talking with the Russians and demonizing the Russians when talking with the British.
@@amlking this is after bismarck is dismissed, even up to weeks prior to the war an anglo-german alliance is not unheard of. In this scenario Wilhelm is aggresive more towards France and as much towards Russia irl and convinces the british to gain at their expense. Several factors could entice the brits to fight the french and the Russians in a 7 years war style of fight where they join the central powers and by virtue of that bring Japan, Italy and the Netherlands into it at least almost guaranteed, and likely Portugal and Belgium as well in the African theatre to make gains at french expense. Since the Germans were close to the ottomans the russians would be stretched thinner than irl because they'd have to fight the same front but a weaker france that very likely capitulates in 1914 especially with italy joining in as well in europe and if not keeps less german manpower there than irl, fight Japan in the far east with dutch and british colonian troop support, they'd not have access to american resources since by this time they were very much allies to germany rather than the uk or russia.
@@whilhemklink8144 it's not particularly dishonest, the British wanted to maintain their supremacy on the seas and continent even at the expense of others, the immense anxiety from a generally friendly power expanding it's navy was zealous from the get-go.
This is a funny LARP from the perspective of the time. But I think when they start invading North Africa it all kind of seems sussy. I don't think the Carolingians had the administration to hold this much territory consistently.
I'm pretty sure china won't become muslim, by bysantium taking mesopotamia, i think that it would maybe make india more muslim as there would be a lot of muslim migrants and probably more muslim kingdoms, but mesopotamia and even all of north africa doesn't have the population to both make india and china muslim. also frankish was a germanic language it wasn't basically french it probably sounded like a mix of modern day french, and i'm pretty sure lower german not high german
Always happy to watch a new video of yours! Suggestion: Napoleon III wins the franco-prussian war and his son and heir goes to marry Princess Beatrice of the uk for an alliance!
Feudalism probably saved Europe from the Mongols. Unlike much of the rest of the world, a single battle in Europe couldn't end a kingdom. There were THOUSANDS of castles across Europe, especially in the West. With the alternate mega-empire of the Carolingians, this is not the case. The Mongols would probably not win due to other factors, but the Carolingians would be broken beyond repair in the long term. They would eventually collapse in the 14th century. Kind of like 20th dynasty Egypt.
This still depends on wether do the Mongols manage to invade most of the empire before their Khan's death. Because if the barely reach Vienna like they did in OTL, then the Carolingians wouldn't even have felt the impact of the Mongols.
This would be a really good start to a series of videos in this hypothetical timeline. Perhaps part 2 could shift its focus to the Islamicate world, India, and the Far East, while part 3 could take things back to Europe and pick up where this video left off. There's a lot of potential here.
Great video by the way. A few video suggestions: What if England won the Hundred Years against France? What if England and the Netherlands were kept under one crown (Idk for the sake of this, what if William III and Mary the Second had a child or children), and lastly what if the Tsar Nicholas the Second of Russia was never overthrown?
This is a great timeline Part 2 by The Mongols' swift and ruthless advance leads to the conquest of much of the Carolingian Empire. Charlemagne's forces struggle to resist the highly disciplined Mongol armies, and many key Carolingian territories fall to the invaders. As the Mongols continue their advance, they eventually reach Rome. In a devastating turn of events, they sack the city and kill the Pope. This act sends shockwaves throughout Europe and marks a turning point in the conflict. Despite the initial losses, the Frankish Roman Empire rally under the leadership of Theudebald IV and his descendants. They seek assistance from neighboring European powers like Kingdom of Denmark, Kingdom of Anglo-Saxons, Norway, Sweden and form alliances to counter the Mongol threat. This alternate history scenario leads to a Europe that is more united in the face of external threats and perhaps a stronger focus on defending against potential invaders. The sacking of Rome and the death of the Pope leave a lasting impact on European history, shaping its geopolitical landscape and the role of the Catholic Church in the centuries to come.
Part 2 - Charlemagne ( King of the Franks, King of the Lombards , Roman Emperor, King of Visigoths ) - Charles the Younger or Charles II (King of the Franks , King of Italy, Roman Emperor, King of Visigoths ) 814-840 - Louis I * not Louis the Pious son of Charles II (King of the Franks , King of Italy, Roman Emperor, King of Visigoths ) 840-876 4. Louis II married Theophano Eudokia and Empire was one (King of the Franks , King of Italy, Roman Emperor ) 876 -912 5. Louis III (King of Francia , King of Italy, Roman Emperor ) 912-923 6. Charles III (King of Francia , King of Italy, Roman Emperor ) 923-936 7. Louis IV (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 936-954 8. Lothair I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 954 - 986 9. Louis V (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 986 - 987 10. Radbot I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor, Count of Klettgau ) 987 -1045 11. Werner I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 1045-1096 12. Otto I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 1096 - 1111 13. Werner II (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 1111-1167 14. Albert I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor, King of Poland ) 1167 - 1199 15. Rudolf I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor, King of Poland ) 1199 - 1232 16. Albert II (King of Francia , Roman Emperor, King of Poland ) 1232-1239 17. Rudolf II (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 1239-1291 * Lost Poland to the Mongols 18. Albert III (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 1291-1308 * lost some lands 19. Leopold I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor, King of of Austria ) 1308-1326
If the Greek revolutionary Army won the battle of PETA the coud conquer Epirus and part's of makedonia til the city of theselonica Me by the Russian empire and the Austrian empire would attack the ottoman empire and the Romanians Bulgarians and Serbs Albanians and Montenegrens would Revoled against the ottomans and Egypt coud attack the ottomans to
@@thibaultsardet7399 Wrong. The Franks were a ruling caste who assimilated culturally and linguistically. There are less than 100 words in modern french that trace their roots back to the Franks.
@@y.r._ That's what I'm saying. There were no French before the Franks. Once they assimilated the Gallo-Roman culture, France had gradually been created as geo-political force, and then French was born. There's at least 13% Frankish substrate in French language. Even more than Gaulish.
@@thibaultsardet7399 "There were no French before the Franks" Wrong. They just had another name. The people of modern france are still gallo-romans, or romanized gauls. The reason why they are called french is because of the choronym of "France", which is derived from the tribe of the Franks who ruled it. It's simply a different name, kind of how the Russians are named after the Rus Vikings - yet they are not genetically viking and do not speak old norse. "There's at least 13% Frankish substrate in French language." No idea where you got that, it's completely untrue.
I liked the overall direction of this video as an imaging of a surviving Carolingian Empire. The only criticism that I have is that the Carolingian conquest of North Africa is unrealistic. In our timeline, not even a unified Spain under Isabella of Castile and Ferdinand of Aragon tried to push into North Africa after the completion of the Reconquista. Keep in mind that Spain already had the areqbus/early firearms at that point. Regardless I enjoyed this video and I hope that this channel blows up soon.
What prevented the Spanish kings from extending to North Africa (certain cities and strategic posts were conquered) was the discovery of America. Since Alfonso X the wise (thirteenth century)there was the idea to invade the Moors. But the justification for this was no longer the reestablishment of the Gothic kingdom of Hispania as it was the Reconquista, that is why Alfonso tried to be the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, to possibly after that launch a crusade against the Muslims. Is really interesting how in this period after the conquest of Seville texts begin to appear in Castile praising Trajan and Hadrian, Roman emperors born in the city and praising them as hispanic emperors and somehow ancestors of the kings of Spain in spirit.
i think survival as the seleukos an his people has to start with the rebellion in seleukos parthia, either that revolt resolves itself an pushes the parrhae back north, the greco parthians never have a revolt in the first place, or the parrhae was conquer before the revolt ever happen after this the seleukos people can push westwar an attack greece an while fighting greece they beat rome an greece an then conquer the egyptians who are weak at this point after a bit of peace with rome they will try conquering italy an either puppet the beaten up carthage or just go conquer it
This alt-Carolinian empire would be able to stop the Mongol from invading their empire, and then free Russia with Byzantine help. A part 2 of this story would be interesting...maybe the Carolinian empire would discover North and South America before 1492? Would they have their oown great Age of Exploration of Africa, Asia, and Austrolasia?
Please do a what if the First Bulgarian Empire never fell, I think this scenario is fairly easy to do as the only thing we need to do is for Basil II to die in one of the many bulgaro-byzantine skirmishes before he became emperor and the historic implications would be also pretty big if manzikert happens the same way it did in our timeline
Or if one of them had Roman like ambition, slain the other two in civil war and took their rightful crown. Then instituted primogeniture and used the co Caesar/Emperor system that was used in the East. I wonder how this would affect the rise of feudalism since if they adopt more Roman institutions and succession laws, it would fundamentally change European history. Maybe even nobodies could become emperor and nobility in this timeline much like in Constantinople. Can’t say anything about their reputation, but let’s be honest. Plenty of awful people in history have stellar reputations for their leadership in war and politics. Like Julius Caesar and Octavian. The former who slain the Gauls and his son which slain his adoptive teenage half brother Caesarion. The very woman who forcefully converted the Slavs to Christianity, Princess Olga of Kiev, is even a saint. Let alone St. Boniface. Or the Pope who approved of the massacre of the region in France where the Cathars lived in. One of them killing their brothers and justifying it through religious reasons via keeping Christendom united under one emperor isn’t that farfetched or off the wall in Roman terms. Then they just need to look East and take advantage of their ill fortunes for their own gain.
Possible future video ideas What if Hitler was killed during the Beer Hall Putsch? What if FDR had only served two terms and didn’t seek re-election in 1940? What if Huey Long became President in 1936? What if Oliver Cromwell elected someone else to become Lord Protector of England, preventing a return of the monarchy? What if Russia won the Crimean War? What if Harold Godwinson won the Battle of Hastings? What if Novgorod unified Russia? What if the Honnō-ji incident never happened, resulting in Oda Nobunaga reuniting Japan?
Quite an optimistic timeline for the Franks. I wonder what the capital would be, since one on the Atlantic would help govern the empire as a whole but probably rather far from their German anc Danish territories, while if not then Italy, Spain and North Africa would be far. And lastly, a history question, I also wonder if the Carolinians were Germanic until the split to three kingdoms due to Louis.
@@thenamesianna Would make governing their Italian, Iberian and North African territories harder due to mountains and distance. And with them apparently playing as west Rome, an Atlantic or even Italian city would be probable. A good in between option could be a French city on the Atlantic.
@@thenamesiannaAachen never really was the capital. It was just the place where Charlemagne spent the most time. The Franks didn’t really have capitals
one mistake early in your video, in the carolingean period, the legal heir of the empire always inherited italy unless otherwise taken from them, italy was seen as tied to the title of emperor, a detail often overlooked by historians and companies paradox, the rulers in italy up until the interregnum prior to Otto I, all of the rulers in Italy used the title Imperator Augustus or Imperator Romanorum, not king of Italy
@@Typhoonoverwatch thats not true, in real life, Charles was not given dominion over italy even though he was the man who would take the imperial title, so I don't see why he would be given italy if he lived
@@Videntis.History of course he couldnt have inherited italy, he died before his father did, Louis didnt become emperor until charlemagne died irl either what
Please continue this series, i would love to see the eventual impact of the Mongols and later the Turks, and of couese the black Plague coinciding with bith of them causing something akin to the crisis of the third century or worse
Bro be slapping with these what ifs back to back🔥🔥🔥 P.S this idea is kinda goofy but if the Russians can do it then I don't see why not, what if America proclaimed itself the successor of Rome/was the successor of Rome
This could happen with Washington recognising the HRE as the successor to Rome and marrying a Hapsburg princess, so that, by the logic Russia used, America would be the successor to Rome (bonus points if the US starts calling their presidents "consuls" like the Roman Republic did).
@@thenamesianna there is also the fact that England was once ruled by Rome and the USA essentially came from the english/British and with America being inspired a lot by Rome, they could also claim bc of that and the point you already said also I really like the consul thing
While the Vikings are not be able to invade England, they can still go for Wales, Scotland and Ireland. To unify Wales under one rule and to preserve the independent status, the remaing Welsh monarch might employed more of the Vikings like how the Roman Autokrators employed the Norsemen as Varangian Guards. In other words, England will be attacked from three sides. By the sea in the east, by the west from the Wales and by the north from Scotland. But with the help of the Franks, the Hadrian Walls will be re-strengthen to defend the attacks from the north. In Ireland, the Vikings will most likely and eventually unite all the tribes living Ireland and develope their own civilization. In this timeline, Wales and Ireland will most likely become the strongholds of the Celtic Christianity with Wales acting like the bastion while Ireland functioned as this relative safe haven for Celtic Christians. As for Iceland, it is most likely remained as an independent commonwealth that still practiced the old Norse religion far from the eyes of the Franks. And I personally doubted the Romans will be able to take Baghdad from the crumbling Abbasid Caliphate. By doing so, this means cutting off the Muslims from the land route for trade and pilgrimage to Mecca. So yeah, I doubted they will give it up. And I also doubted that the Muslims will even perform the aggressive expansion into China because the new Muslim powers that emerged in Central Asia and Iran and will most likely be focusing on trying to retake Baghdad and the rest of Mesopotamia back from the Romans. As a result, Mesopotamia will become a contested region between the Romans and the Muslims until the Mongols arrived to break this status quo. Instead of mistreating the Mongol envoys dispatched by Chinggis Khan, the ruling Muslim Emirs in Khorasan and Transoxiana of the times most likely viewed the Mongols as necessary allies. With the Mongol imperial ideology of ruling everything under the eternal blue sky, the Abbasid Caliph and the local Muslim Emirs will most likely justified such an ideology by claiming that the Khan is the ruler of everything under the sky while the Caliph is the religious leader of the Muslims who reside in the Mongol Empire. As for how will the Romans and the Franks responded to the Mongols' arrival, it will be because the Rus' alerted the Romans about these nomadic conquerors from the east when the refugees arrived at Constantinople. As a result, the Romans will then alerted the Franks of the Mongols' arrival as well like you said in the video. With the Muslim rulers of Central Asia and Iran willingly submit themselves to the Mongol Khan, their realms are not only spared but also expanded as the Khan's promise to return Baghdad and Mesopotamia to them. After all, no monarchs can go back on their own words. With the frontier reduced to Anatolia once again, Egypt will be completely alone. Seeing the opportunity, something like the Coptic Revolution may happened, resulting in Egypt to become an independent nation with the Patriarch of Alexandria crowning the leader of this revolution the Pharaoh. And to safeguard his realm from the Mongol threat, the Pharaoh most likely will seek legitimacy from the Mongol Khan as a way of sparing his nation from being brutally conquered. With Egypt as a vassal, the Mongols can either now go into Africa themselves or let the Pharaoh and his troops do the job for them in the expansion into North Africa. This will led to the Frankish-Egyptian War, one of the many wars between the Franks and the Mongols. The other wars will most likely be about assisting Poland and Lithuania in defending their realms from the Mongols and helping the Romans protecting the Syrian coastal cities such as Acre and Antioch or even defending Constantinople from the being besieged by the Mongols. And so, with manpower and resources are being distributed to multiple fronts, the Frankish Empire will be greatly weakened. So the possibility of losing the Maghreb to the Coptic Egyptian state might actually be possible. While I have no idea how will the Mongols expansion in this timeline will ended, what I know is that its aftermath is going to quite something. Assuming that the Franks lost the Maghreb to the Egyptians, this means the Pharoah will become the master of the south of the Mediterranean Sea and the Abbasid Caliphate will once again come to rule Baghdad and Mesopotamia after having been ruling from Khorasan and Transoxiana for so long. However, this means Syria will become the contested region between the Romans, the Coptic Egyptians and the Muslims. As for the situation in Europe, Sweden might be the one that discovere the New World because of the old knowledge of routes to Vinland has never disappeared due to the persecution against the pagans by the Catholic Franks. As a result, Sweden will emerged as a the new major power. And upon hearing about Vinland, nations such as Norway, Scotland, Wales and Ireland will funded their own expeditions to Vinland to carve their own territories there as well. However, they will be met with the stronger resistance from the natives who have been living with the Norsemen who immigrated there for centuries. And they have horses and know how to use weapons made of steel. As for why the Frankish Empire, which started to becoming more France here, did not participate in the race to Vinland, that is because the need of economic recovery after multiple wars with the Mongols and possibly, wars of succession of their own.
Unlikely, given their competing to control the same thing. Would make more sense for a What if Austria or Prussia allied with Poland, to remove their rival for germanic unification.
The border you’re depicting of the Britons in Southern England is incredibly unrealistic. The Kingdom of Wessex controlled the vast majority of that, and it spoke English and had an English culture.
Funny trivia: in italian Pippin is "Pipino" wich is also a word for "little wiener", that's why italian students always giggle when hearing the name of the great frankish king "Tiny Wiener the Short"!
The thing that the technology would be better isnt logical, because when there are many small power rivaling states, they compete with each other and improve the technology. But in a big state there isnt that competion.
Love your video. I always like alternate history especially regarding Christianity. How about if the Shimabara Rebellion succeeded or Taiping Rebellion succeeded.
No hate here, but just a suggestion. I found the video interesting but difficult to listen to. The cadence of your speaking was super distracting. It seems like you elongated the last syllable of every sentence. Sort of like up talking, but not quite. It makes you sound like a sportscaster or something. I don’t know if other people noticed, I’m probably just a weirdo🤷🏻♂️ Edit: more of an observation, not a suggestion.
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What if America was successful in its artic ambitions.
What if america successfully purchased all 3 artic territories Alaska Greenland Canada west of Rupert land.
The Frankish translation of "Hilderic" is Childeric so he would have been called Childeric IV
This one rebuild the old Romans empire
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I love your channel! You should definitely do a video on if the Crusader States survived long term. Seeing Frankish, Byzantine and Eastern cultures mix would be fascinating.
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me too@@AmericanImperium1776
*In all honesty this doesn't feel too realistic to me, it all turned out too good for them 😂 In history usually when things start going well for you someone betrays you lol. Nevertheless I really enjoyed it and I would definitely like to see where this goes in a part two. Even if at this point we are so far removed from our timeline it's just fan-fiction haha*
*P.S. The production quality is outstanding. I especially appreciate the subtitles, most people don't bother with them but I think good subtitles are the difference between a good or a great video. Bravo*
Thanks for the feedback. Also glad you enjoy the subtitles, I want to make sure just about anyone can watch and enjoy my videos, even if you don’t speak english
Same here
Well yes he tends to go with optimistic scenarios. The more likely scenario is that Charles and his brother end up mired in a quagmire, that other powers use to back up the weaker side to reduce Carolingean strength.
@@anvos658 Yep, nothing ever going wrong for the Franks here, makes this a very unlikely scenario. I really expected a king or two dying in conquest, resulting in a setback for a while.
Handing them North Africa this early into the scenario is especially weird. The Franks had less administrative and engineering infrastructure than the Romans had - how would they rule over such a vast empire? The Romans could manage this with multiple imperators at the same time, but how would the Frankish kings do this - without nominating powerful vassals to rule over each portion of the empire?
21:12 "Absence of Feudalism" - lol why how??
Faster advancement than in our timeline - again how?? After all, creating a huge culturally and religiously unified and thus soon stagnant Blob-Empire is not necessarily conducive for fast scientific advancement. Of course, universities and education can help, but why would those be set up?
The scenario neglects the Turks/Seljuqs. Plagues or other desasters? Power struggles against the church? Heretic movements were a huge factor in the time too.
And Transelbia? (Brandenberg, Poland, Bohemia?) The areas were, sorry to say so, a mix between woody sandboxes, woody mountains and woody swampland. Yes, the tribes of the area had been advancing too, but in OTL it took the same 400 centuries for the buildup that is achieved here in merely 100 years, by the year 900 at latest. The Franks had nothing to gain from there this early - not without massive undertakings in building new infrastructure, colonization, and mission. Where do they gain the manpower to maintain control there, and in Hungary too?
@@Videntis.Historypersonally if Charlemagne empire had stayed intact I think world 🌍 would of been a better option
I got one word for this: OUTSTANDING! Charlemanage's Empire survived, becoming the true Roman Empire is a brilliant and creative alternate history story, and this is a beautiful masterpiece, Mr. Videntis. I really mean it, and I love to see a part two and even part three, for this one deserves to become a mini-series of its own. But I never thought the Cariologan Empire would be a match for the Vikings with the HRE in its place, and the Normans staying in the British Isles instead of Normandy means no Normandy invasion of England, and forming an alliance to the true Roman Empire is kind surprised me. As for what happens next, I would speculate the Carolingian Empire would forge an alliance with England, the Byzantine Empire, and Hungary against the might of the Mongols and might even help the people of Kievan Rus and even join forces against the Mongols for the greater good for Europe and Christianity. Anyway, this is a great video, my friend, and please keep up the fantastic work and always remember you are worthy of respect and recognition; don't forget that!
Here are some engaging alternate history scenarios for the future: What if Sehadze Musta had become the next Sultan of the Ottoman Empire? Suppose his father, Suleiman the Magnificent, stopped or ordered the execution of his firstborn son. How did Musta, as Sultan, take the Ottoman Empire in a different direction than his predecessors?
What if the Ottomans conquer Persia? What are ways could the Ottomans could do to bale to annex the entire Persian Empire, and would there be a greater Ottoman Empire with the conquest of Persia, and how this be impactful and beneficial to the Ottomans?
What if the death and exile of Catherine of Aragon sparked aggressive conflicts between the Kingdom of England and the Holy Roman Empire? There were rumors that Henry VIII had poisoned Catherine himself but later discovered by autopsy that some stomach cancer had killed her. Not only that, but Catherine is also the aunt of Charles the 5th ( Holy Roman Emperor), for he is the son of Joanna the Mad Castile, who happen to be the sister of Catherine. If the rumors were true that Henry VIII did, in fact, poison Catherine, what would the reaction of Charles V be, and would he want not to risk a war against England? Also, Catherine was very popular and was liked by the English people, and in the original timeline, Henry VIII was infamous for beheading his wives for not producing a male heir but also because they were not liked by the English people or the English nobility.
Catherine is well-liked by the English aristocracy for her. Influential in politics, Catherine was known to be the Queen of the people, for she cared for her English subjects. Henry VIII had never done that to Catherine because he feared some massive rebellion or revolt by his English subjects and nobles against him. Catherine was liked by the people and the nobility for that; he had her exiled and imprisoned instead. Could Herny VIII's involvement with Catherine's death be an alternate English Civil War, and could Mary, his daughter, start an English Civil War to avenge her mother's death? How this be impactful and which sides join on Engalnd's and the HRE's side, and who will be the victor of this war? Would there be a war of England against the might of the Holy Roman Empire? If any victor won this war, how would European history change?
What if Ivan III, known as Ivan the Terrible, never killed his firstborn son, Ivan Ivananocih, the future heir of the Tsardom of Russia? Would the Russian Empire be formed by the Rurkird Dynasty instead of the Romavos? How would Russia differ from the Rurkirds as the oldest imperial dynasty to rule Russia? How does this change with the Rukird Dynasty never going extinct?
What if Napoleon II had lived if Napeloen Bonparte had accepted the Frankfurt Prospal and married Princess Sophia of Bavaria? What would France be like under Napeoloen's reign as Emperor in a peaceful region, and would Napeloen II be a good ruler just like his father, and is it possible for Napeloen ad Princess Baviraconive, an heir to the Imperial French Throne? Fun fact: Princess Sophia of Bavaria is the daughter of Joseph Maximilian I, King of Bavaria, and is the mother of Franz Joesph Hapburg, Emperor of the Austro-Hungraain Empire.
Which of these scenarios do you like best, Mr. Videntis? And which these scenarios are your favirotes and which ones you never heard ebfore and why?
These are all incredible scenarios, but tbh man you sound like you know so much about these historical events I actually want to see what YOU think would happen. I encourage you to make a TH-cam video on this, I think you would make a really good one which would be realistic in its predictions. I mean at least that's the vibe I'm getting haha, you seem like you know what you're talking about
What a novel
Incredible video man! Specially loved the alliance and friendship between the carthaginians and Byzantines!
Suggestion: What if Harold II "The Great" Godwinson, slayed William of normandy and routed his army at hastings?
Britain stays Anglo-Saxon ruled instead of Norman-ruled.
@@AmericanImperium1776And no rivarly with France.
YES
This channel deserves way more subscribers.
This was amazing as always. Here’s a suggestion: what if Britain won the Hundred Years’ War.
In interesting scenario would be that Otto III never died young. He would have solidified Imperial rule over Italy and the Papacy. And he would have married Zoe, the niece of Basil II and the eldest daughter of Constantine VIII. He could definitely have staked a claim to the Eastern Roman Empire by 1028.
Videntis, i loved this video and knew your channel by it, that i convinced my history teacher to show the video on the projector of the classroom on her class! Thank you so much for making your incredible videos😊
glad you liked it so much. Charlemagne is one of my favorite people to discuss
This is an amazing video, love the quality
Suggestion: what if both the Eastern and Western Roman empires survived and grew together
West and East would grow culturally and theologically distinct.
A surviving Western Roman Empire would still look like modern Western Mediterrenean but more Catholic conservative.
@@AndreaMoletta-s3c I wonder how a WRE would react to the Arab invasions
@@Boo-lr8fj my first impression is that first they lose, then they retake it.
If the WRE manages to either retain or regain its African territories we might see the survival of AfroRomance, it would be a Province akin to Spain but with more desert.
Suggests: What if the Habsburgs all unite? What if the Byzantine-Sasanian War never happened? What if Islam got wiped out? What if Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, become one religion?
Amazing video. Really high quality
I like how he makes alternative history with alternative history sources 😂
I thought it was funny 😁 hope you did as well
Extra details like that add a lot of depth to it
@@Videntis.History yeah that was great to watch. How did you capture the authentic tone of historical sources? The peculiarity of languages used was significant and became harder to differentiate between real and imagined.
What about a what if the treaty of sevres 1920 was successful.
This is definitely may favorite channel, I would love to see a video on what if the Greeks conquered Anatolia!
Another great video man. Can really see the quality getting better, keep it up!
Appreciate it!
Amazing video mate. You should do a video about France stopping the Blitzkrieg
Love your work. Keep it up.
Scenario idea: What if the Oster Conspiracy of 1938 succeeded?
Great suggestion!
@@Videntis.History Thanks. Peace ✌🏻
Really fun scenario! One thing that I think would be good to add are the struggles the country your making the scenario on goes through, so It's more realistic. This could also ve used to explain some major change, like for example here, having a major dynastic civil war lead to the succesion reforms
The mighty Frankish empire vs the the great Mongol horde would be an interesting showdown for sure
I'd say they would be stopped somewhere around Prague with heavy casualties on both factions, first on europeans civilians and armies and then on eventually vanquished mongols as they get hunted down by reinforcing armies from the empire
What if America lost the mexican american war and mexico was a rival to the usa?
That would mean the Mexican Empire or at least it's borders would survive. that's sounds like a recipe for lasting animosity post war, when Mexico lost in OTL it never really rebounded and has been subject to US Influence ever since.
For this greater Mexico to survive it would need to become relevant both militarily and economically to hope to stave off Manifest Destiny and it wouldn't be easy at all.
The consequences are so out there I couldn't make it cohesive, North American Cold War?, Alternative American Civil War? War of Mexican succession? It's all over the place!
@@buzter8135 thats the point, it could mean many things
The Oregon Territory would be much more important than in our own timeline (if it remains under American control).
Yeah this sounds like a good scenario but we could maybe change it to what if Mexico gained independence in 1808 and then won the war against the usa
That sounds like a fun idea
beautiful map
It really is!
This timeline's Carolingian Empire is really untrustworthy and I love it ! First they're friendly with the Pope, only to then seize his lands and make him a puppet. First they conquer land from the Byzantines and then they help them conquer other lands. That is very cunning stratedy and , to me, kind of funny. Great video !
i suggested this a while ago and i also suggested what if the mongols also had primogeniture from the beginning and never exploded into multiple successor states
What if the German Empire pursued an Anglo Alliance prior to WW1
They did, but an economically zealous British Empire didn't want cooperation with Deutschland.
they tried up to 1912 and even after the german naval arms race failing it was still very much a possibility
@@RodolfoGaming well yes but after the dismissal of Bismarck Wilhelm’s aggressive foreign policy made this impossible. He sent mixed messages, trying to play both sides. Demonizing the British and talking with the Russians and demonizing the Russians when talking with the British.
@@amlking this is after bismarck is dismissed, even up to weeks prior to the war an anglo-german alliance is not unheard of. In this scenario Wilhelm is aggresive more towards France and as much towards Russia irl and convinces the british to gain at their expense. Several factors could entice the brits to fight the french and the Russians in a 7 years war style of fight where they join the central powers and by virtue of that bring Japan, Italy and the Netherlands into it at least almost guaranteed, and likely Portugal and Belgium as well in the African theatre to make gains at french expense. Since the Germans were close to the ottomans the russians would be stretched thinner than irl because they'd have to fight the same front but a weaker france that very likely capitulates in 1914 especially with italy joining in as well in europe and if not keeps less german manpower there than irl, fight Japan in the far east with dutch and british colonian troop support, they'd not have access to american resources since by this time they were very much allies to germany rather than the uk or russia.
@@whilhemklink8144 it's not particularly dishonest, the British wanted to maintain their supremacy on the seas and continent even at the expense of others, the immense anxiety from a generally friendly power expanding it's navy was zealous from the get-go.
This is a funny LARP from the perspective of the time. But I think when they start invading North Africa it all kind of seems sussy. I don't think the Carolingians had the administration to hold this much territory consistently.
5:19 I really respect you, you are the first foreigner to difference Lombardy to Langobardia, I wish to see a what if the Langobards survived yet
Excellent and Original content you earned a sub
thanks
What if holy roman empire survived
Good video👍
Make a part 2
I literally painted the exact map from the thumbnail for fun on paint using a vic2 map just yesterday. What a coincidence!!
thats funny
I'm pretty sure china won't become muslim, by bysantium taking mesopotamia, i think that it would maybe make india more muslim as there would be a lot of muslim migrants and probably more muslim kingdoms, but mesopotamia and even all of north africa doesn't have the population to both make india and china muslim.
also frankish was a germanic language it wasn't basically french it probably sounded like a mix of modern day french, and i'm pretty sure lower german not high german
Always happy to watch a new video of yours!
Suggestion: Napoleon III wins the franco-prussian war and his son and heir goes to marry Princess Beatrice of the uk for an alliance!
Instead of winning in 1870, it would be easier to make Napoleon III join the Austro-prussian war of 1866 and winning on the side of Austria.
Can you make a part 2? Like the empire having all the territory that france, germany, dutch, portugal, etc.
What if france was the leader of the holy Roman empire instead of austria
This is kinda it?
Feudalism probably saved Europe from the Mongols. Unlike much of the rest of the world, a single battle in Europe couldn't end a kingdom. There were THOUSANDS of castles across Europe, especially in the West. With the alternate mega-empire of the Carolingians, this is not the case. The Mongols would probably not win due to other factors, but the Carolingians would be broken beyond repair in the long term. They would eventually collapse in the 14th century. Kind of like 20th dynasty Egypt.
This still depends on wether do the Mongols manage to invade most of the empire before their Khan's death. Because if the barely reach Vienna like they did in OTL, then the Carolingians wouldn't even have felt the impact of the Mongols.
@@thenamesianna That is another factor that could occur, yes.
This would be a really good start to a series of videos in this hypothetical timeline. Perhaps part 2 could shift its focus to the Islamicate world, India, and the Far East, while part 3 could take things back to Europe and pick up where this video left off. There's a lot of potential here.
Great Video
Great video by the way. A few video suggestions: What if England won the Hundred Years against France? What if England and the Netherlands were kept under one crown (Idk for the sake of this, what if William III and Mary the Second had a child or children), and lastly what if the Tsar Nicholas the Second of Russia was never overthrown?
This is a great timeline
Part 2 by
The Mongols' swift and ruthless advance leads to the conquest of much of the Carolingian Empire. Charlemagne's forces struggle to resist the highly disciplined Mongol armies, and many key Carolingian territories fall to the invaders. As the Mongols continue their advance, they eventually reach Rome. In a devastating turn of events, they sack the city and kill the Pope. This act sends shockwaves throughout Europe and marks a turning point in the conflict. Despite the initial losses, the Frankish Roman Empire rally under the leadership of Theudebald IV and his descendants. They seek assistance from neighboring European powers like Kingdom of Denmark, Kingdom of Anglo-Saxons, Norway, Sweden and form alliances to counter the Mongol threat. This alternate history scenario leads to a Europe that is more united in the face of external threats and perhaps a stronger focus on defending against potential invaders. The sacking of Rome and the death of the Pope leave a lasting impact on European history, shaping its geopolitical landscape and the role of the Catholic Church in the centuries to come.
Part 2
- Charlemagne ( King of the Franks, King of the Lombards , Roman Emperor, King of Visigoths )
- Charles the Younger or Charles II (King of the Franks , King of Italy, Roman Emperor, King of Visigoths ) 814-840
- Louis I * not Louis the Pious son of Charles II (King of the Franks , King of Italy, Roman Emperor, King of Visigoths ) 840-876
4. Louis II married Theophano Eudokia and Empire was one (King of the Franks , King of Italy, Roman Emperor ) 876 -912
5. Louis III (King of Francia , King of Italy, Roman Emperor ) 912-923
6. Charles III (King of Francia , King of Italy, Roman Emperor ) 923-936
7. Louis IV (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 936-954
8. Lothair I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 954 - 986
9. Louis V (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 986 - 987
10. Radbot I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor, Count of Klettgau ) 987 -1045
11. Werner I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 1045-1096
12. Otto I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 1096 - 1111
13. Werner II (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 1111-1167
14. Albert I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor, King of Poland ) 1167 - 1199
15. Rudolf I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor, King of Poland ) 1199 - 1232
16. Albert II (King of Francia , Roman Emperor, King of Poland ) 1232-1239
17. Rudolf II (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 1239-1291 * Lost Poland to the Mongols
18. Albert III (King of Francia , Roman Emperor ) 1291-1308 * lost some lands
19. Leopold I (King of Francia , Roman Emperor, King of of Austria ) 1308-1326
What if the first republic of Greece won the battle of PETA PETRA in Epirus in the Greek war of independence
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence
I think a lot of your subscribers wil like this video
The Greek simps like my zelf
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If the Greek revolutionary Army won the battle of PETA the coud conquer Epirus and part's of makedonia til the city of theselonica
Me by the Russian empire and the Austrian empire would attack the ottoman empire and the Romanians Bulgarians and Serbs Albanians and Montenegrens would Revoled against the ottomans and Egypt coud attack the ottomans to
One correction: French is not a mix of frankish and latin. It's actually pretty much just latin with some minor gallic influences from late antiquity.
Yes and Dutch is actually Frankish
Franks+Gallo-Romans=French.
French nobility was Frankish, and were romanized after centuries, and then France was born.
@@thibaultsardet7399 Wrong. The Franks were a ruling caste who assimilated culturally and linguistically. There are less than 100 words in modern french that trace their roots back to the Franks.
@@y.r._ That's what I'm saying.
There were no French before the Franks. Once they assimilated the Gallo-Roman culture, France had gradually been created as geo-political force, and then French was born.
There's at least 13% Frankish substrate in French language. Even more than Gaulish.
@@thibaultsardet7399 "There were no French before the Franks"
Wrong. They just had another name. The people of modern france are still gallo-romans, or romanized gauls. The reason why they are called french is because of the choronym of "France", which is derived from the tribe of the Franks who ruled it. It's simply a different name, kind of how the Russians are named after the Rus Vikings - yet they are not genetically viking and do not speak old norse.
"There's at least 13% Frankish substrate in French language."
No idea where you got that, it's completely untrue.
Sounds like a wild CK2 campaign
What if Basil II had an heir
I liked the overall direction of this video as an imaging of a surviving Carolingian Empire.
The only criticism that I have is that the Carolingian conquest of North Africa is unrealistic. In our timeline, not even a unified Spain under Isabella of Castile and Ferdinand of Aragon tried to push into North Africa after the completion of the Reconquista. Keep in mind that Spain already had the areqbus/early firearms at that point.
Regardless I enjoyed this video and I hope that this channel blows up soon.
What prevented the Spanish kings from extending to North Africa (certain cities and strategic posts were conquered) was the discovery of America. Since Alfonso X the wise (thirteenth century)there was the idea to invade the Moors. But the justification for this was no longer the reestablishment of the Gothic kingdom of Hispania as it was the Reconquista, that is why Alfonso tried to be the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, to possibly after that launch a crusade against the Muslims.
Is really interesting how in this period after the conquest of Seville texts begin to appear in Castile praising Trajan and Hadrian, Roman emperors born in the city and praising them as hispanic emperors and somehow ancestors of the kings of Spain in spirit.
Stellar production.
Great videos! You should do a video on the Seleucid Empire surviving, or Bactria, or the Greek kingdoms in India
Thanks for the idea!
i think survival as the seleukos an his people has to start with the rebellion in seleukos parthia, either that revolt resolves itself an pushes the parrhae back north, the greco parthians never have a revolt in the first place, or the parrhae was conquer before the revolt ever happen
after this the seleukos people can push westwar an attack greece an while fighting greece they beat rome an greece an then conquer the egyptians who are weak at this point
after a bit of peace with rome they will try conquering italy an either puppet the beaten up carthage or just go conquer it
This alt-Carolinian empire would be able to stop the Mongol from invading their empire, and then free Russia with Byzantine help. A part 2 of this story would be interesting...maybe the Carolinian empire would discover North and South America before 1492? Would they have their oown great Age of Exploration of Africa, Asia, and Austrolasia?
Please do a what if the First Bulgarian Empire never fell, I think this scenario is fairly easy to do as the only thing we need to do is for Basil II to die in one of the many bulgaro-byzantine skirmishes before he became emperor and the historic implications would be also pretty big if manzikert happens the same way it did in our timeline
Could you do a video on Julian the apostate successfully reviving Hellenic paganism?
I love this so this would probably happen if Charlemagne son would of lived longer
Or if one of them had Roman like ambition, slain the other two in civil war and took their rightful crown. Then instituted primogeniture and used the co Caesar/Emperor system that was used in the East.
I wonder how this would affect the rise of feudalism since if they adopt more Roman institutions and succession laws, it would fundamentally change European history. Maybe even nobodies could become emperor and nobility in this timeline much like in Constantinople.
Can’t say anything about their reputation, but let’s be honest. Plenty of awful people in history have stellar reputations for their leadership in war and politics. Like Julius Caesar and Octavian. The former who slain the Gauls and his son which slain his adoptive teenage half brother Caesarion. The very woman who forcefully converted the Slavs to Christianity, Princess Olga of Kiev, is even a saint. Let alone St. Boniface. Or the Pope who approved of the massacre of the region in France where the Cathars lived in.
One of them killing their brothers and justifying it through religious reasons via keeping Christendom united under one emperor isn’t that farfetched or off the wall in Roman terms.
Then they just need to look East and take advantage of their ill fortunes for their own gain.
Idea: What if Julius Nepos survived?
Possible future video ideas
What if Hitler was killed during the Beer Hall Putsch?
What if FDR had only served two terms and didn’t seek re-election in 1940?
What if Huey Long became President in 1936?
What if Oliver Cromwell elected someone else to become Lord Protector of England, preventing a return of the monarchy?
What if Russia won the Crimean War?
What if Harold Godwinson won the Battle of Hastings?
What if Novgorod unified Russia?
What if the Honnō-ji incident never happened, resulting in Oda Nobunaga reuniting Japan?
Could you please do a what if about successful crusades or a surviving Eastern Rome.
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Quite an optimistic timeline for the Franks.
I wonder what the capital would be, since one on the Atlantic would help govern the empire as a whole but probably rather far from their German anc Danish territories, while if not then Italy, Spain and North Africa would be far.
And lastly, a history question, I also wonder if the Carolinians were Germanic until the split to three kingdoms due to Louis.
I don't see why wouldn't they keep Aachen as capital.
@@thenamesianna Would make governing their Italian, Iberian and North African territories harder due to mountains and distance.
And with them apparently playing as west Rome, an Atlantic or even Italian city would be probable. A good in between option could be a French city on the Atlantic.
@@thenamesiannaAachen never really was the capital. It was just the place where Charlemagne spent the most time. The Franks didn’t really have capitals
Very good
Yo what abt the spanish empire vid
that scheduled for mid august
@@Videntis.History o ight then thanks for the info
@@Videntis.Historycool
I have a good one; What if Operation Valkriege was launched
one mistake early in your video, in the carolingean period, the legal heir of the empire always inherited italy unless otherwise taken from them, italy was seen as tied to the title of emperor, a detail often overlooked by historians and companies paradox, the rulers in italy up until the interregnum prior to Otto I, all of the rulers in Italy used the title Imperator Augustus or Imperator Romanorum, not king of Italy
so, in the video, Charles should have been the one to inherit Italy, not Louis
@@Typhoonoverwatch thats not true, in real life, Charles was not given dominion over italy even though he was the man who would take the imperial title, so I don't see why he would be given italy if he lived
@@Videntis.History of course he couldnt have inherited italy, he died before his father did, Louis didnt become emperor until charlemagne died irl either what
@@Typhoonoverwatch no when Charlemagne originally made plans to split his domains between his 3 sons, Charles was not given Italy, so you are wrong
Wow, I didn't think I would ever get a shout-out in a video
I hope you liked it
@@Videntis.History What if the Western Roman Empire survived in Italy and Illyria? Nobody made it
Lol I was watching this and midway I realized that I forgot this was alternate history. I was amazed at first.
charles is a chad
What if the Anglo-Saxon-Jutes didn't settle in Great Britain, and the Picts stayed alive?
What if the Vikings never left America
Then the swedish or danish would become gigachad🗿
like up this was awesome
loved the sound of the notification bell when you said "churches"
Please continue this series, i would love to see the eventual impact of the Mongols and later the Turks, and of couese the black Plague coinciding with bith of them causing something akin to the crisis of the third century or worse
Bro be slapping with these what ifs back to back🔥🔥🔥
P.S this idea is kinda goofy but if the Russians can do it then I don't see why not, what if America proclaimed itself the successor of Rome/was the successor of Rome
This could happen with Washington recognising the HRE as the successor to Rome and marrying a Hapsburg princess, so that, by the logic Russia used, America would be the successor to Rome (bonus points if the US starts calling their presidents "consuls" like the Roman Republic did).
@@thenamesianna there is also the fact that England was once ruled by Rome and the USA essentially came from the english/British and with America being inspired a lot by Rome, they could also claim bc of that and the point you already said also I really like the consul thing
I love this by the fact that we would have a "Pax Galica" if you want.
What if the papal state united the Italian peninsula
Good idea, added to the list
maybe make a scenario of what if mexico gained independence in 1808 up to atleast 1860
I really wanna see a part 2 too this
While the Vikings are not be able to invade England, they can still go for Wales, Scotland and Ireland. To unify Wales under one rule and to preserve the independent status, the remaing Welsh monarch might employed more of the Vikings like how the Roman Autokrators employed the Norsemen as Varangian Guards. In other words, England will be attacked from three sides. By the sea in the east, by the west from the Wales and by the north from Scotland. But with the help of the Franks, the Hadrian Walls will be re-strengthen to defend the attacks from the north. In Ireland, the Vikings will most likely and eventually unite all the tribes living Ireland and develope their own civilization. In this timeline, Wales and Ireland will most likely become the strongholds of the Celtic Christianity with Wales acting like the bastion while Ireland functioned as this relative safe haven for Celtic Christians. As for Iceland, it is most likely remained as an independent commonwealth that still practiced the old Norse religion far from the eyes of the Franks.
And I personally doubted the Romans will be able to take Baghdad from the crumbling Abbasid Caliphate. By doing so, this means cutting off the Muslims from the land route for trade and pilgrimage to Mecca. So yeah, I doubted they will give it up. And I also doubted that the Muslims will even perform the aggressive expansion into China because the new Muslim powers that emerged in Central Asia and Iran and will most likely be focusing on trying to retake Baghdad and the rest of Mesopotamia back from the Romans. As a result, Mesopotamia will become a contested region between the Romans and the Muslims until the Mongols arrived to break this status quo. Instead of mistreating the Mongol envoys dispatched by Chinggis Khan, the ruling Muslim Emirs in Khorasan and Transoxiana of the times most likely viewed the Mongols as necessary allies. With the Mongol imperial ideology of ruling everything under the eternal blue sky, the Abbasid Caliph and the local Muslim Emirs will most likely justified such an ideology by claiming that the Khan is the ruler of everything under the sky while the Caliph is the religious leader of the Muslims who reside in the Mongol Empire.
As for how will the Romans and the Franks responded to the Mongols' arrival, it will be because the Rus' alerted the Romans about these nomadic conquerors from the east when the refugees arrived at Constantinople. As a result, the Romans will then alerted the Franks of the Mongols' arrival as well like you said in the video. With the Muslim rulers of Central Asia and Iran willingly submit themselves to the Mongol Khan, their realms are not only spared but also expanded as the Khan's promise to return Baghdad and Mesopotamia to them. After all, no monarchs can go back on their own words. With the frontier reduced to Anatolia once again, Egypt will be completely alone. Seeing the opportunity, something like the Coptic Revolution may happened, resulting in Egypt to become an independent nation with the Patriarch of Alexandria crowning the leader of this revolution the Pharaoh. And to safeguard his realm from the Mongol threat, the Pharaoh most likely will seek legitimacy from the Mongol Khan as a way of sparing his nation from being brutally conquered.
With Egypt as a vassal, the Mongols can either now go into Africa themselves or let the Pharaoh and his troops do the job for them in the expansion into North Africa. This will led to the Frankish-Egyptian War, one of the many wars between the Franks and the Mongols. The other wars will most likely be about assisting Poland and Lithuania in defending their realms from the Mongols and helping the Romans protecting the Syrian coastal cities such as Acre and Antioch or even defending Constantinople from the being besieged by the Mongols. And so, with manpower and resources are being distributed to multiple fronts, the Frankish Empire will be greatly weakened. So the possibility of losing the Maghreb to the Coptic Egyptian state might actually be possible.
While I have no idea how will the Mongols expansion in this timeline will ended, what I know is that its aftermath is going to quite something. Assuming that the Franks lost the Maghreb to the Egyptians, this means the Pharoah will become the master of the south of the Mediterranean Sea and the Abbasid Caliphate will once again come to rule Baghdad and Mesopotamia after having been ruling from Khorasan and Transoxiana for so long. However, this means Syria will become the contested region between the Romans, the Coptic Egyptians and the Muslims. As for the situation in Europe, Sweden might be the one that discovere the New World because of the old knowledge of routes to Vinland has never disappeared due to the persecution against the pagans by the Catholic Franks. As a result, Sweden will emerged as a the new major power. And upon hearing about Vinland, nations such as Norway, Scotland, Wales and Ireland will funded their own expeditions to Vinland to carve their own territories there as well. However, they will be met with the stronger resistance from the natives who have been living with the Norsemen who immigrated there for centuries. And they have horses and know how to use weapons made of steel. As for why the Frankish Empire, which started to becoming more France here, did not participate in the race to Vinland, that is because the need of economic recovery after multiple wars with the Mongols and possibly, wars of succession of their own.
What about the Visigoths? What if they repelled the Caliphate?
Is this a different video suggestion
@@Videntis.History yes
hes my new fav youtuber
Napoleon would love this ❤. I'm not sure if the franks would hold up against the mongols they'd probably stop them in eastern Europe for awhile
Napoleone was Italian so idk if hed love this..but aight
Sounds like something out of Dovahhatty. Based.
nice video btw can you do something about what if the german empire survived WW1
what if the french huguenot colonies in south carolina and brazil survived
Do what if Austria and Prussia both worked together and united germany
Unlikely, given their competing to control the same thing. Would make more sense for a What if Austria or Prussia allied with Poland, to remove their rival for germanic unification.
The border you’re depicting of the Britons in Southern England is incredibly unrealistic. The Kingdom of Wessex controlled the vast majority of that, and it spoke English and had an English culture.
Do a part two on the the byzantine and Frankish empire versus the Mongolian invaders
Funny trivia: in italian Pippin is "Pipino" wich is also a word for "little wiener", that's why italian students always giggle when hearing the name of the great frankish king "Tiny Wiener the Short"!
What if Napoleon didn't invade Russia in 1812?
What if an unreasonably large Carolingian Empire ascended upon us
I think theyd be able to hold off the mongols, not invade them but defend. Mongols seem over-stretched and in different type of territory
pls release a part 2 of this pls
I would like to know how you make those map animation, please 😄
i draw the maps out in procreate, and I animate everything in apple motion, hope that helps
@@Videntis.History yes Thank you very much 👌
The thing that the technology would be better isnt logical, because when there are many small power rivaling states, they compete with each other and improve the technology. But in a big state there isnt that competion.
I love these wet-dream tier alternate histories.
Love your video. I always like alternate history especially regarding Christianity.
How about if the Shimabara Rebellion succeeded or Taiping Rebellion succeeded.
No hate here, but just a suggestion. I found the video interesting but difficult to listen to. The cadence of your speaking was super distracting. It seems like you elongated the last syllable of every sentence. Sort of like up talking, but not quite. It makes you sound like a sportscaster or something.
I don’t know if other people noticed, I’m probably just a weirdo🤷🏻♂️
Edit: more of an observation, not a suggestion.
Ok thanks for the heads up, I will keep that in mind going forward and try to enunciate better
@@Videntis.History I subbed and look forward to watching more of your videos. Good luck to you ❤️
What if the battle of Clonturf never happened? Or what if Brian Boru and his son Murdoch didn't die at Clonturf.
What If the Vikings never converted
What if the Hecker uprising was successful?
What if Napoleon lost in the 1st cohalition