Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer vs BMW R1250 GS TE: Ex- police rider shares his views
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ต.ค. 2022
- Hey Everyone,
Ageeessssss back (if the Jubilee flags and the blonde hair didn't already give that away!), I borrowed a Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer.
Of course one of the first things I wanted to do was go and show pops!
In this vlog, Usernamedad shares his first impressions of the Tiger 1200 GT Explorer!
I hope you enjoy it!
Usernamekate 🏁
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Having owned a couple of GS including the 1250 GSA, for me the tiger is a better option. Really didn’t like the lack of feedback thru the bars that come with the front damper on the GS. It’s the Triumph for me 😊
i had a r1250 gsa hp and rode the new 1200 triumph they have fixed a lot of what was wrong with the old bike i.e heat from engine, weight 45lbs lighter, and a bit more powerful, its a better bike than a bmw the trumpet gearbox is so much nicer to use than the bm, the bm when coming up behind lorries on the m\way is affected by dirty air it can get in to a gentle weave and no theres nothing wrong it, my 1200 triumph had it three years never did this.all the road test experts cannot give an opinion on the headlight because they go home before it gets dark. i really cant get excited about hill hold but thats just me.
I’m loving the ego-free relaxed delivery by you both. It’s refreshing, informative and slightly addictive to listen to you talking sense without “ladspeak “.. Thank you
Awesome video Kate! I hope you are feeling much better! Your fathers perspective is always appreciated. Please thank him for his service for me. My father was military as well. To me it comes down to a couple of things, first the engine. The triple does have a lovely sound. The boxer is iconic to many. I purchased my GS primarily because the dealer is only a fifteen minute ride. And it is an awesome dealership. The triumph dealer is over an hour away. I can’t say enough about my bike. I just about have her customized the way I want her. I rode 233 miles yesterday and 228 today. The Fall colors are amazing this time of year. I wish I could ride again tomorrow. Advice I would give is to take everything into consideration. I do not feel you could go wrong either way. Best!
Thanks for the upload, love it.
Great to see your your Dad out Kate. I also have a 1250 gs 22 model,fully loaded. I really think the Triumph have made a great bike for the price, but I also prefer the Gs , for the telelever suspension and glorious 143NM of torque.It’s a bike you can leave in six gear going slowly and an overtake just roll the throttle on and your passed. I have had a Triumph Tiger 1050, and the engine and handling was also excellent .Great blog Kate🏍🇸🇪🙏❤️👍
So good to see Usernamedad again. I did wonder if I might regret watching this video, as I've had 3 x Tigers over the last few years, and test rode the new model but didn't like the new engine. I decided to see what all the fuss was about surrounding the GS. Long story short, I ordered a GS TE yesterday!
Username Dad's spot on . The BMW GS TE is a work of art. If I had the space I'd have one in my living room just to look at. (funny thing is I'm not even joking)
Great episode , more like this please.
I know opinions vary but just think they are both such ugly bikes
@@nigel274 I hear that , but beauty is in the eye of ......
@@nigel274 Have to agree. Scaffolding with wheels springs to mind!
@@VRFlightSimGuy like Iron Bru....built from girders 🤗
What a quality review, genuine people, thanks very much for your video. 👍👍👍👍👍
I went to a shop to look at a Ducati, and my wife said, "please try that Triumph 1200 GT Pro." I did and wow was I impressed, came home with it. Absolutely love this bike, it is a 23, it was used with less than 5k miles, out the door was around 14k USD. The Triumph 1200's are really a smoking deal used. Everyone wants the GS, which is good don't get me wrong, but it really helps us used bike purchasers.
Another awesome video. Definitely keep this up. 50K will be here shortly then so will 100k subs. The is real content and real opinions. Top class.
Love your dad and his views Kate, I found the blind spot mirrors detection good on my Swiss trip on motorways, wish more bikes have them tourers anyway. Found the seat very comfy, but as I told you I’ve never ridden a GS, gonna have to change that 😂 I loved the 30lt tank and got 360 miles on a tank. To only fill up 6.5 times to Switzerland and back was a breeze. Suspension was great just having auto preload and being able to soften or harden on the fly. Great vid 👍
I think both bikes are more than capable for the average rider , looks and features are very similar, so it does come down to manufacturers preference, would have to be the tiger for me , great vlog guys 👍🏻
Made in Thailand vs Made in Germany.
Definitely Germany
@@ekimandersom4478 just because they are made in Germany doesn't stop them having issues 🤦🏼♂️
@@dalewintle9969 Oh most certainly not, probably more issues than the Triumph.
But i prefer to spend my money in my own country, better for our economy.
Kate
I own the only GT Explorer in the USA right now. The Triumps weighs less, has more HP and doesn't have the wide boxer engine in the way. Triumph Tiger GT Explorer ALL day!!! I'm loving it!!!
I'll go for the Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer anytime, love the look and functionality! By the way, great interaction with your dad!!!
Really enjoyed the video. On the specific question of blind spot warning: I'm all for it. I've ridden the Multistrada with it on and I found it genuinely was useful....but I also loved the adaptive cruise control too, that took so much effort out of long motorway schleps. I've got it in my car as well and use it extensively, so maybe I'm used to it.
Almost can't believe the Goldwing doesn't have it in all honesty, it's well suited to that bike, and the DCT box.
Nothing like the GS!! Love the seat netting on the GS!!
Researching a GS as the next bike and loved this relaxed chat on it. I guess it is subjective at the end of the day, but not being a huge bloke, I think the GS makes so much more sense with the lower weight profile.
It’s a family affair, this love of bikes! My late father loved his BMW boxers and I’m enamoured by them as well. No need to jump the fence. Great review Kate!
Totally enjoy the “User Name Kate & User Name Dad” videos. I’m with the “Dad” preference of a GSA. Let’s give a round of applause to “Kate” for vloging a superb video on this interesting comparison. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏/ out of 10 👍🏼
What a great video. I’m with your Dad ( I am that Dad as well 😂). I had the old gen 3 Tiger which was great but heavy up top. My new GS is all down low on the weight and with the grunt. Best bike in the world 😊
Having had a couple of tiger 800’s I looked at the explorer & ended with the GSA 1250. For me the nimbleness of such a big big bike, weather protection from the sizeable front profile, cracking deal from my local motorad dealer in Plymouth, low down weight & grunt of the engine configuration. It carries my sup board & can’t really feel the weight hanging on the side. When it comes time to change I think it’ll be another GSA unless something comes out significantly better. Everyone says single side swing arm is heavy, but not by a noticeable difference (ask Ducati/Guzzi) & I love the no maintenance shaft drive. 6.5k miles this year & still love riding it.
After riding both bike's for day's the choice was easy for me. The GS is an old slow and heavy bike. The Triumph is so much more fun to ride! And the seat on the Triumph is the best seat i ever had. For me its all about the feeling when riding a motorcycle and in my opinion the Tiger is way better than the GS on every level 🙏👍😃
Father and daughter time is priceless..great video and I side w Dad here..GS is just the business all around…
Love love love you and your dad in these videos.
Now, which bike? I am not a died in the wool anything. For me it's all about the shop. I used to ride BMW's but changed to triumph because the shop offered more services. Any one that ask what I think about a particular bike they are interested in I will ask what the shop offers.
I don't think anyone is building a bad bike now days.
I have ridden both and ultimately purchased the Triumph. I know the stated power numbers of both bikes but the triumph just feels like it has alot more. Also the Truimph has 10,000 mi service intervals to the BMW's 6,000 mi.
Great informative review, and the only one I can see that mentions the manual screen adjustment. My current FJR screen is electronic. I am test riding the Tiger GT Explorer this week and will prepare the FJR for sale. It's too heavy and difficult to maneuver for me know as I broke both my arms last year making them weaker, better brakes on the Tiger too. The GS is a little under-powered for me and I'm not keen on the boxer engine. Thanks Kate.
My friend went on a testride on the Triumph and he says it's good bike but the GS steering was for him far beter...
And the Triumph dealer heard it befor when he pionted that out.
But if you do not come off a GS it's no problem..
I like the shape off the Triumph...beautifull bike.
Blind spot monitoring sounds good on paper, another safety feature. I found out in practice it still depends on the drivers awareness. Just the other day I was passing a car at less than 45 miles per hour with my motorcycle. The car's blind spot monitor on their mirror went bright yellow and they still tried to pull into my lane. Had to lay into the horn to avoid getting hit.
What a cracking father daughter vlog, both bikes look 👌. Definitely a fan of those standard items on bikes that us mortals would expect but certain manufacturers charge as extras which annoys me a lot. I've not had the chance to ride either but personally both to tall for my short legs 😀 . Cracking bikes tho. Take care stay safe 🏍 👍
Great wee video. Good energy fun and well put together. Both are great bikes. I think for me reliability and servicing costs would have to come into play as both bikes are really well matched.
Triumph for me….
I had both the BMW and Triumph on a test ride along with other adventure bikes before buying the Triumph in 2013 and the bike has been faultless and is still a pleasure to ride even now.
I’m with dad on this the beemer just beats it. The boxer is just a wonderful bit of engineering and it’s low down cog is the way forward with these tall heavy bikes.
Hi Kate. I have a 1200 Trophy and an 800 Tiger. The heated grips on the Trophy are activated by a rocker switch on the control block, really easy to operate. That button on the grip, on the Tiger is a pain, especially with gloves on.
I really like the new 1200 Tiger but being in our mid 60's convincing my wife to buy into it would be a hard sell. She likes the rear seat comfort of the Trophy. I'm not going to give up though, next spring I will have her sit on one, then go from there. All the best.
I'm with your dad, the only thing I would say for me on the Triumph, the blind spot monitoring would be a nice to have as I have difficulty looking over my right shoulder, so that would be a good safety feature for me. Thank you
get you some doubletake mirrors.
I love the boxer engine, but think the triple is a beautiful configuration that has more torque than a Japanese 4 cyl engine, but delivers good power very smoothly. 3, 6, 12 cylinder engines are naturally extra smooth because they need no crank balancing due to the position of the pistons always in balance with each other throughout their cycle. I owned a Speed Triple for a number of years and loved the power delivery beating every Japanese bike off the mark with the extra low down torque.
As ever very nice vlog Kate. One point tho: we’ve seen so far, Usernamekate, Usernamemike, Usernamedad, Usernamesis……one important member is missing, where is Usernamemum 🤣 have a great weekend. Big thumbs up, waiting for the next👍👍🇳🇱
Greetings from Los Angeles, CA. USA. I cannot love this video enough. A Daddy and his little girl talking motorcycles and both knowing what they're talking about. Beautiful. I think it's the only time I've ever seen a vid like this. Again, beautiful. To answer the question, for me, Triumph edges out the BMW for looks but the GSA edges the Tiger for everything else. To me, the Triumph is a fantastic MC, looks nicer, cleaner, and sleeker but the GSA, which is still a fantastically great looking MC, is a masterpiece of everything else. Honestly, I'd have a blast riding either and be over the moon with either sitting in my garage. I really don't think you can go wrong owning one over the other. Smiles for Miles.
Great review Kate, Personally prefer the GS.
Say Hi, Dad. “Hi, dad 😆” Username Dad got the dad jokes!! I love it! Great video. Both bikes are fantastic, but I’m going to look at BMWs this weekend. I’ve always wanted one. There’s just something about the GS and GSA that captivates me. I’d love to see more with usernamedad. Very cool!
Excellent comparison with Dad 👍💕 you are your dad's girl 🤗....I would be tempted by the Triumph....for the roads I used to ride ....
Nice seeing username dad
I prefer the Triumph. I think the quality would be better. I have seen a few fairly new GS's with light surface rust on those rear frame bars - but then I am a triumph man at heart (current Triumph Thruxton R) even though I also have a 2021 BMW S1000RR m package. Also ex biker cop (Ireland). Ah the police credit unions are a godsend when it comes to getting some toys.
I have a 2016 GSA and I want to upgrade. I’m really considering this Tiger over the 1250GS. I love the boxer engines but I want to try something else. Great video 💪🏻
Neither I road tested both of them back to back with the HD then bought a Harley Davidson 1250 Special and I'm loving it,just my humble choice you understand.
I almost went Triumph Explorer when the Harley dealer also had the Triumph brand - fortunately I couldn’t get a leg over it. That dealer lost the brand, and I ended up with what I wanted all along - GS Adventure, 2022, Triple Black. The BMW is brilliant - love it. Dad and I share a former career - cheers Usernamedad 🚔
Absolutely love yer dad’s triple black gs.
Great review - your Dad is a hoot!, however on choice, I'm like your Dad, GS all day everyday.... learnt to ride on an R80 back in the day, followed by 2 R100RT's.... Moved on to a Suzuki GS850, where I had my 1st & only huge wreck.... took that as a sign & am happy in retirement with the GS.... Low centre of gravity, low down grunt, "Chermann" engineering...... Mindful of my Gran's favorite saying "All that glisten's is not necessarily Gold", coupled with too many tales of woe over Triumph build quality & "value add issues"....... Get him insured & on that damned thing!
Thanks for this informative overview most helpful. I currently run the previous generation Tiger and now looking to replace it. The Tiger GT Pro is the more equivalent spec to the GS TE and is around 2.5k cheaper? anyway having recently test rode both I have became very indecisive…….big dilemma 😢
What a great real world comparison and perspective 👍👍. Is usernamedad going to take it out for a ride ? Mic him up and swap bikes.
Well, I bought a 1200 Tiger Explorer XCA in 2017 partly because the dealer was only about 15 minutes from me and I had heard too many horror stories about BMW maintenance costs. I am 65 years old, 5'8" tall with a 30" inseam and if I had it to do over, I would step down to the XR line. Unfortunately, shortly after I bought it, they stopped carrying Triumph and my closest dealer is about an hour away now. I have a 1995 BMW R100RT Classic which I love but with dealers so far away, I suspect my next bike will be Japanese and not British or German. A previous poster mentioned service access and that has become a top priority for me. As your dad said, of these two, I think it is down to personal preference unless other issues complicate matters. Doubt you could go wrong with either.
The only opinion I have since I’ve never the ridden the bikes is I have a bit of Triumph bias. Kate I really enjoy the videos with your dad and the bit of insight to his life’s history, I hope you two go for some rides and have a chat over a coffee or a beer. Do you know your family history during WWII? One other question does your mom ever ride with your dad?
Very nice. Something new to consider.
Your arl fella seems like a really nice guy. I love how you both get on so well ❤️
Twins are better engines for adventure bikes. You probably know already, but the radar is in the black box above the rear light.
I think blind spot detection is brilliant. Like cruise control, I'd like it if all my road bikes had it. Now adaptive cruise control not so much.
As you know Kate, yes the Triumph looks great, but I still love my 1250GSA.
I think you would struggle to find much between them in terms of performance and features; other than the gearbox and quickshift which are miles better on the Triumph.
GSA all the way I fell in love the first time I rode mine, it’s going to take something really special to tempt me lol 😅
Great video, please can I ask where your Dad got his side decals for his GS, on the side grill. I love them 😍 many thanks
Had 17 gs's inc 1250 triple black adventure , bought the big Triumph after a back to back test ride ! By by Bmw the Triumph for me is a big step on .
My mate bought a brand new triple black 1250GSA 3 mths ago with heated seats, grips, cruise, engine bars, satnav mounting, electric seat raise/lower, rack/ panniers/ topbox... he didn't get much change out of £21000
Sounds about right!
Your Pop's is retired police. Hats off, from a retire St. Louis County MO police Officer. Nice video. What did your dad think after riding the Triumph?
Talking of prices don't forget ongoing costs such as servicing, and the Triumph's 10k intervals, both great bikes though and I suppose it's down to the individual and how they like how they ride. Also is there too much tech these days? Whether or not you want it all you have to pay for it and a lot of riders seem to be going the low tech route these days with the likes of Royal Enfield becoming popular. Keep the vids coming Kate cheers.
Where did you get the seat netting for the GS? It looks great.
Just bought a brand new rallye and got 10 percent off with my blue light card and got the service pack thrown in too.
I’ve got blind spot detectors on my car but there is an area still which you need to look?
I used to have a Tracer 900 and, found that even though it was a lot lighter than a BMW boxer, it always felt top heavy. I reckon that would be a problem for me with the Triumph. Mind you, I'm only a small guy at 5ft8 and 11.5 stones, I doubt the weight of the Triumph would be a problem for a big lad like your dad. I hope that you can sort some insurance for dad on the Triumph and, get a proper road test done.
Ye dad knows what he’s on about gs all day long Kate triumph lovely bike for a triple loving biker but twin guys are a different breed an that canter lever suspension makes a great ride ye dars a legend 😊😍👌
Hi Kate. Loving the channel, you get 1 extra year warranty with the bmw
Good comparison video. Total coincidence but I had a feeling your dad looked vaguely familiar then he said his name. I think if he was with 7 Reg in the gulf in 2003
I was with him. Good to see he’s doing well.
Aye he was in 7 Reg! 😊 he's doing great, I hope you are doing well too!!
Older and a little wiser pal.
How’s tricks Steve. Davy ( jock) Devine. You’re looking well had some laughs back in 2003.
Davy,
Good to hear from you.
Send me PM on Facebook pal, I’ve got a couple of pictures of you that you might like.
Steve
Another great comparison video, and an honest review of both. I think I would still prefer the GS.
Thank your dad for both his police and reservist service. Churchill called them as “Twice the Citizen” and it is very true. 👍🏻
My comment of the triumphs, one have sensor light from the side mirror to detect other vehicles behind you or in the rider,but in bmw ,GSA have no sensor.but the price of the triumph is low other than bmw gsa
The triumph. When you get use to the triple you'll love them. Dad's are the best for advice. 😎👍🍻
Really interesting side-by-side look at two very nice big adventure bikes. UsernameDad would be top bloke to talk to about bikes and he'd certainly be able to talk back on many years of motorcycling. Just out of interest; what is the main police motorcycle in England? Here in Queensland Australia it's the Yamaha FJR1300 although I have seen a few BMW'S over the years. Thanks for another great vid Kate.
R1250RT
@@steveralph2250 Thanks Steve.
I get my tiger 900 GT low by your recommendation and I love it.
And yes I am shorty 😅
The radar is the bit between your back seat and the break light, think you said "strange arrangement" if that makes sense
Yea I know what it is, I've highlighted it in another video, dad and I discussed it off camera but we know. They couldn't put something that ugly there without it being for a practical reason 🤭
Shame dad didn't get to ride the Trumpet but as a GS rider the overall package it offers is so hard to beat. I wouldn't put to much emphasis on the cost comparison, what's more important is depreciation which I have a sneaky feeling the GS would win. But at the end of the day it's the buyers choice and it'd be a boring world if we all wanted the same bike. If history repeats itself the 1300 GS will restore the gap, just like the 1200 LC did back in 2013
What kind are those seat covers in the GS? Any link? Thanks in advance.
Every Dad’s dream daughter lol. My mate who’s 45 his 18 year old just started riding needles to say it seems like her 125 gets more interest than our big bikes do 😂. GS 🤤 for me
Hi
I’m actually just in the process of changing my bonnie T120 black for a tourer.
And these are the two bikes I’m considering and I’m like your dad twin for grunt and low down weight does it for me.
But think i knee a test drive in both first.
my problem is 29” inside leg and i know theGS low frame I’m flat footed and that makes a big difference.
I will let you know how i get on
Thanks for the content 🏍️🏍️🏍️
You must sort out insurance for your dad. You work well together. You could do some great comparison videos. It's also interesting to get the opinion of older big bloke and younger female rider on how they ride and style of bike.
I don't know why the Tiger is being marketed as a GS killer it is its own thing.. Most adventure bikes are similar but offer something slightly different which is no bad thing. I have an adventure sports Africa twin and again it is its own beast ticked all the boxes for me and probably fits inbetween the 900 and bigger adv bikes 100bhp was spot on for me and a real workhorse does 2 up long tours no probs. Pick the bike that works for you love it and ride it!
Residual value would be interesting after possibly 2-3 years.
Both nice bikes
I’m with your dad on this one, GS everyday for me
Hello Kate & dad I'd choose BMW. Motorad after sales far better than Triumph, especially overseas!
Loved the content Bravo Zulu.
If Triumph could have had a GT Explorer for me in May this year, I would have bought one. Traded my BMW R1200 GSA Black Edition TE on a KTM 1290 Super Adventure S instead. Triumph were too slow off the block this year.
I would go for the Tiger as I think it's better value for the money, and it looks better in my eyes. 😃
Jesus the blind spot detectotion sensor is just above the the taillight
Kate,I'm properly old just to put that out there..last bike I chopped in was a Speed Triple 1050 which I love love loved.Regret selling if I'm honest.Anyway I now own a triple black,which is great not perfect then what bike is.However since going over to the GS hardly any oncoming bikers nod to me which they used to do??..does your Dad experience this too?
As a GS 1200 owner I tried the Tiger GT and rallypro versions. I preferred the smaller road focussed bike although it doesn't look as nice it was far nicer to ride and I was offered a decent trade in. Two things put me off, the TFT on the Triumph is poor and the interface awful. The cockpit just looks cheap in comparison to the GS and this is what you see when you are on the bike. I also looked at the servicing cost for the Triumph and its way more expensive than BMW. My other bike is a Triumph Thruxton and I had to pay £256 just for an oil and filter change just to keep it in warranty, to top that they charge £40 for a loan bike. Triumph brags about 10k service intervals but you still have to service it annually regardless and the big Triumph services are horrendously expensive. I have also found BMW aftersales significantly better than Triumph. My new Triumph dumped me at the side of the road and it was three weeks before the local dealer would look at it. Even getting in touch with Triumph UK directly didn't help. Despite that the Triumph is a great riding bike but in this caseI am sticking with BMW and upgrading to a 1250.
In Sweden it's much more expensive with a BMW. And, the GS is like a dinosaur compared to the Tiger. Triumph Tiger is a much better choice.
My triple black came with heated seats had to spec lights and alloy wheels. Just wish the switchgear was back lit. Is the tigers?
Yes it is
Thanks Phil, beat me to it 👍
Must admit i like the GS…never sat one one as I’ve never had the urge to….coming from a full sports bike then to Tuono then to the S1000 R thats my level now. Id have an adventure bike as a second bike no worries . Maybe in a few years i may go GS or Tiger bike. Your dad was a police rider ?? Are you going to the classic bike show Stafford next week?
I think bikes with such a lot of technology mean there’s more to go wrong and that puts me off buying them for touring.
GS it is after all the best bike in the World 😉
2 different flavors of the same candy! The GS has better low-down torque, but the Tiger has way more power and performance. The GS behaves a little better with balance and braking, but it also lacks feedback from the front end and feels very appliance-like. If you're looking for something like the GS, but want a sportier and more engaging rode, then the Tiger is a no-brainer! The GS is an amazing machine, but the Tiger feels more "alive". Especially comparing the buzzy flat twin and the Tigers exciting triple roar
If the GS didn't exist then the Triumph would be the one to have, but if the GS didn't exist then the Triumph would not exist ether.
Both great bikes ,it’s definitely the GS for me as I have a triple black , I get the impression triumph is copying BMW looking at the two bikes can’t beat a GS !
GS/GSA for me all day long.
Personally, I prefer the BMW, more grunt/torque. The Triumph may have more top end, but do you want/need a high top end on an Adventure Bike?