How Much Horsepower Do You Lose With Oversized Wheels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- Comparing stock vs 24x14 wheels on the dyno to see how much horsepower is lost with the bigger wheels.
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Crazy how much better the truck looks with the stock wheels.
Pffffffft
Facts.
Yes look way better, bet it rides better as well. all rim, no rubber does not look good at all on a truck.
@@opossom1968the big wheels make em look silly
@@bigmansir3745 Trucks need meat on the rims, not rubber bands. I have 20s on my F150 with 33x12.50 rims are Moto Metal 7 spoke, chrome, they are as old as the truck and Moto Metal only made them for the 12gen Fords. Coyote 5.0 is what i have, tuned running on E85.
Great video.... but what you actually lose with those shiny rims is respect. 😂
*"if it's legal where you live"*
America has left the chat. lol
All joking aside, I just FINALLY did my 2019 l5p & I'm blown away. With the help of your videos.
It was a pain in the ass, considering I've never done anything like that before but it was worth it!!
That’s awesome man!
Great Video! I like how you are using a Dyno and I like the lack of black smoke outside, Gale Banks would be proud of you.
I've always had a tough time convincing myself to put something on my personal vehicle that slowed it down.
Thanks for the candor.
I really want to see the 37" tire test. That what im running
I’m deleted and tuned metric version of 37’s and dynod 498hp 1120tq not sure why the numbers are so different in this video
Never understood the rubber band tire look. I have a leveling with 37s on 17x8.5 bigger tire smaller wheel. The 24x12 or 14 does not look good to me.
I have the same setup. Truck came with 22s. Couldn't get the 17s on fast enough. Looks like it's trying to be a car
For a bit there I thought that Jake Paul was hosting this video!!! Interesting outcome!!!
This guy's way cooler than Jake.
Hahaha.. ME TOO, in fact that was one of the reasons i was opened that video, because of curiosity about what could know that pimp about cars...😂
Almost didn’t recognize you. You helped me few years ago with a 6.7 delete I had questions on. Glad to see the channel where it’s at now!
And that was just the rear wheels. Loss is probably double that because the engine has to also waste energy spinning the front wheels when you drive.
Thumbs up. Your explanation of how to strap the truck to a dyno.....never knew. Thank you.
Your communication is awesome, it's from a mechanic & what's happening. 👍
Thank you!
The 350 to 400whp range is very accurate on pretty much all of these newer diesel trucks with a badic tow file. I get a kick outa guys that think they put a tuner on now they have a 600 to 650whp truck. 80 percent of the guys that own these trucks couldn't handle a 600whp truck . Guys dont realize that it may be rated for "450"hp but thats at the crank. A 450hp stock truck puts down if its lucky 300 to 325 on the rollers. Dynos definitely hurt feelings 😂.
I know man. It’s tough constantly being the bearer of bad news for these guys coming to get their trucks dynoed thinning they have 600hp units from a delete and a hot tune
25% drive train loss? You clearly don't know what you're talking about
That weight difference is INSANE. It also makes a difference how far out from the center the weight is located. Good info
Cool info! Would love to see you dyno stock L5P and then deleted with 0, 60, 100 HP tunes!!
I’ll add it to the list!
@@darkirondieselI would like to see that also!!!
Great video!!! I have a Cummins, but I want to see one of the new Ford Powerstrokes on the dyno. They claim big HP numbers and it would interesting to see how much they actually deliver.
Dont matter still junk and super unreliable
Yeah I’ll definitely get a new powerstroke on there as soon as possible!
I'm a ford guy but I feel like their numbers are off. I think that may be everybody though
From factory I mean that's where I feel the hp and torque numbers aren't accurate
They do the 2021 f250 makes 450hp on 35" and tuned 648hp
If you plan to continue putting power mods on the truck, show a Dyno after each one added..with these same parameters. Be nice to see the actual gains vs what they claim.
I will definitely do this
Great video! I expected the lighter wheels to be better but never expected that much change! Also shocked how much weight difference there is! It's be interesting to see what the difference in fuel consumption is, too.
Also, no black smoke? Nicely done!
definitely want to see stock tires, 35s and 37s. Would also love to see a video of comparing dyno numbers when its really hot out vs when its really cold out
Damn! I didn't expect that result with both tires being the same OD. That's huge!
It’s straight physics. A wheel/tire that’s heavier and/or bigger in diameter takes more energy to accelerate. It’s basically just a flywheel. Aluminum weighs more than air and rubber of a tire.
When you’re accelerating the mass of the truck it isn’t as big of a deal though. Gets exaggerated with the dyno since you’re directly measuring how quickly it can spin up a mass.
Not to mention FRICTION = Traction.
I would like to say, a clean burn is a great tune. Some diesel owners think a lot of smoke is making power, in actuality smoke is power left on the table. So many young tuners are figuring this out. Older tuners still want smoke and that is why in some stated its illegal to tune or delete, because of the smoke tunes. Also that cummins can spin a lot more then 3k, set it to RPM to 4k, if stock head bolts. Upgrade heads then turn 5k. MASSIVE power gains.
I would like to see a video where you get a bunch of cars that run the same quarter-mile time and put those on the dino and let’s compare the differences in horsepowers and see the differences they used to make their car go down the strip at that time
May get a more accurate read with running the load at around 40% for tuned trucks. I know with trucks making 1300+hp we typically like the load set to 60%. The 6th gear pull will be close to accurate but even with a tune if the derate isnt turned off to save the trans it wont make as much power as it really should. The derate is ridiculous on those trucks. Even in stock form the trucks make to much power to put through the stock trans. Billet shafts and triple disc converter and remove the derate and those trucks are animals. Great Vid tho.
The reason for this is not the size of the mag, its the amount of rubber. The original tires have more rubber to bend and twist and can transfer the force better on the road.
Same thing as why drag cars have huge rubbers and are a bit deflated. To give more grio. It transfer the force.
If you had big rims but with bigger and softer rubbers, you would keep the torque/hp difference.
I think.
The vehicle comes with the size wheels and tires that comes with for a very good reason.
Definitely looking forward to seeing the comparison with 37s!
Soon my friend, soon
Yes!
If the overall rolling diameter of the rim and tire is roughly the same as the stock size the only reason for gaining or losing power is a direct result of unsprung weight.
It's great to see You have a Dyno now and is up and running! It would be cool to see You Dyno Your 5.9 Cummins. Or a 5.9 with a Banks tuner.Keep up the awesome work my friend!👍
I sold the 3rd Gen! But I’ll try to get another one on the dyno
@@darkirondiesel That was a really nice 3rd Gen!👍
Im glad to see someone test this theory! As you can see a clear difference
Thanks for doing this test I have always told people oversized tires waste horsepower and torque. I have one size smaller than stock tires on my truck. It also makes your brakes work better and makes the truck handle better and puts less pressure on your suspension.
Yeah 100%, I totally notice my truck doesn’t brake as good with the bigger wheels. I’m thinking I should upgrade my brakes
It’s crazy because you’re new to using a dyno. But you’re like the only person using it as one of the only tools it’s intended for.
Before vs after. Or tuning do you don’t have to do 150mph on the street. I think people get too focused on what the graph says vs, “why the graph says what it says”
Ya man I literally bought the dyno mainly for the purpose of making dyno comparison videos
I’d like to see a 1/4 mile comparison from stock tires. To knobby 35s. Without updating the tire size in the ecm like we see everyday w new he haws. I bet it’s a noticeable difference. It slaughters mileage
My stock 2022 F250 with the 6.7 Powerstroke, makes more stock to the tire than your tuned Cummins.
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Would love to see a stock 6.7l Ram versus tuned with 5"
' straight pipe test
Yup I can definitely do that. You thinking with a stock delete tune? Just to see if there’s any gains from the delete itself without increasing fuel and advancing timing?
@@darkirondiesel Would love to see stock deleted and tuned deleted versus stock emissions.
The stock wheels and tires look better than the others that stick out to far. Needed is sidewall, a sad waste of money on bad wheel and tire combo's.
I am going to show this video to everyone I know. If you're correct, the supposed "greater handling" is due to a loss of power. lol
True enough, decreased body roll is real.. but just wow! Great content.
New sub!!! Finally someone with a Dyno and the same curiosity as me.
Awesome! Let me know any other tests you wanna see
@@darkirondiesel
-The smaller diesel engines tuned and deleted.
-Technical diesel tuning content(effect of adding timing/fuel on a Cummins or a PStroke, Transmission tuning and setting pressures, shift schedules, etc.) nobody talks about the transmission part.
-comparing stock parts vs aftermarket like intakes or 4 inch vs 5 inch exhaust. One brand intake manifold vs another one.
Those are just a few things I would like to see. Having the trucks is cool and all but I like the technical, the how or the why it's better/different or a specific design. Just my .02!
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So this is an extremely interesting video and I love the fact you are testing.
Mathematics, specifically physics, talk about a lot of things, including rotational inertia, rolling resistance, weight distribution from center, and a shit ton of other variables.
In order for you to "scientifically" test this, you really should be finding the same rubber, same load rating, and the same diameter, but not the same rim size.
Kind of insane to say, but weight distribution per corner (let's say 75# to be safe) doesn't even begin to explain the rest of the variables between the vehicle.
Comparison videos are the best way to complete, but if you have the time (and) the money, your best results using scientific method would be to test the same rim size with larger tires each run, then change rim size, etc etc.
There's so much shit that goes into this, it's kind of insane. I hope you continue to post and learn, because this is awesome information for thousands of people.
In a perfect world it would be great to compare apples to apples. I will always do my best to keep the variables to a minimum, thanks for the comment!
Very interesting! How about throwing a stock truck that’s not deleted against a tuned at deleted truck with various HP tunes. I searched high and low on the TH-cams before I deleted my truck to see if there is actually performance increases with the tuning vs stock. Everyone always says it feels peppier and quicker and it does feel that way, but to put black and white numbers behind those claims would be beneficial.
Have you never ridden in a deleted truck before? It's not a slight difference, it's a completely different truck, absolutely night and day difference
I'm confused as to why the dyno numbers are so low. when I dynoed my 2007 5.9L Cummins it made 490hp/960tq. i have it in some of my earlier videos on here. I would have figured these newer trucks would be alot more powerful.
Nevertheless, I've always wondered about stock tires vs aftermarket and now I know some real results. Awesome video. Thanks.
Let’s see 1000hp out of that 5th gen
You only lose HP in transient situations. In steady state, like pulling a trailer up a grade, it’s the same.
You don't 'lose' any horsepower or torque. It just takes more torque to get a larger wheel and tire moving. You also have increased rolling resistance and increased resistance from the air in a lifted truck so it's going to take more power to get you moving and keep you moving. This is why an increase in tire size often requires a change in gear ratio.
Similar to you, I have a dyno and on a separate channel. I posted a similar video. I focused on tire diameter, and the results were pretty amazing. Although the argument of dyno not being correct with their numbers, it’s the difference between the two graphs that matters.
Great video! I'd love to see some CAI dyno's for Cummins, also the banks monster ram air dyno
It’s not my truck and I’m not hating. You do what you want with your vehicle sir but man do I personally think it looks so much better with the stock wheels.
But if I only had stock wheels I wouldn’t have been able to make this video 😢
I would like to see a dyno comparison of the 12 valve
With a smoke output video, just to compare how cleanly these new diesels burn compared to the old ones to make similar power numbers.
Good idea I’ll try to do something along those lines!
You should try to find the smalll a$$ stocks like the 31s or something like that see how much you can gain without engine upgrades
Haha the smallest tires I can possibly find, that would be funny as long as they don’t explode
This is something i always wondered and I assumed that it would make a difference tbh. But not like a huge difference... now i have an excuse everytime i get outpulled by someone with stock wheels and stock height haha.
I have a ‘20 stroke. Stock wheels and tires, 637 hp. Aftermarket fuel rims and tires, 603 hp.. the only change was the rims and tires.
There’s no way you made 637 hp at the wheels on a stock 6.7 powerstroke
@darkirondiesel I think he means stock wheels not stock truck. His loss was real close to yours with the tire rim swap.
@@darkirondiesel think what you want, I have the video and witnesses to prove it. I’m not going to get on here and argue with you… it was on a VERY well known dyno in this area and used in other areas in the country. A video and witnesses are hard to argue with… you’re right, it’s not entirely stock. It has a CAI, 5” exhaust and a tune. There you have it. It’s not my responsibility to make you believe it, I’m not on here to prove anything, just support the video. I did win the stock Ford class that year at the competition here close to where I live.
1:40 I Spy Cerwin Vega AT-12's.. I enjoyed the content. just love finding random CVs lol
Haha yes my friend got them for me, rebuilt them before he sold them to me. He has a TH-cam channel called “saving Vega’s” check him out!
the first 5 seconds of this video, i thought jake paul was doing an intro! 😂😂
100% do some runs with 37 inch tires. Great video and America 🇺🇸 is still in the chat!!!!
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Id be curious to see what a deleted ram 6.7 with 35x12.50 on 20x10 would make on a 120hp tune. My guess would be around 300-350.
That’s significant, and you’re only turning the rear wheels there so the real world resistance is more. There goes your fuel economy, but maybe you can get some back with larger diameter?
Another awesome video, keep up the great work man !!
Thanks buddy!
No mud flaps. No fender flares. Id have 2 tickets if i was driving that thing😂
Don't forget the fenders!
Great info, I was genuinely wondering this m
You should do a video with a truck on 37s with stock gears then 37s w/ 430s
That means you lose 10% power
And 10% or more less mpg.
Means everything you fill up
You pay an extra $20 for those tires.
Literally throwing money away to go slower using more fuel.
Have you ever spent money on something that brings you joy? This is no different.
What tune are you running?Anything else done to the truck.
I like it, it doesn't smoke.
I got 24's on my cummins. Those mf's are stupid heavy. With 35 inch tires. I struggle loading them in the bed lol
I would pull in 4th. Pretty sure dyno numbers get weird when taken in an OD gear
Couldn’t get a good reading because the gear was too short. But at the end of the day, if the sensor measured 396hp then it made 396hp. Can’t falsify sensor readings
A new HO powerstroke stock and tuned if there is one already
When I get one in the shop I’ll do it!
That’s an awesome looking truck. If I had a reason to own a diesel it would be a truck just like that.
Thanks buddy
Hey man, you need to retune your truck to get the max hp and tq together not different pulls. Your air and fuel tune is wrong.
I’ll look into it!
You don't lose any horsepower when you put bigger wheels on. You just make those horses work harder.
If you don’t have heter grid delete Dyno truck with heater grid delete and maybe banks manifold see increase?
Gotta do the gear closet to 1:1
Oversized WHEELS, no loss. Oversized TIRES, youll lose some WHP
This whole video proved that oversized wheels lost power because both sets were 33s.
The stocks look so much better
Can you do a dyno of straight pipe vs twister resonator. Fire punk posted a video of high hp loss due to it
I gained 125 whp by going to 28 inch tire from a 36 on my trx
Makes me feel good to know my 01 7.3 be makin more than a new dodge! 410/850
What do you have done to it to make that much power
@RockstarRanger01 Dyno numbers are what the truck has at the wheel, not the engine
@@slingin_tiresI was on a dyno when I got my numbers
you need to put all the load on the dino to make Power with a diesel try starting off at 1800 RPM
That is just simply incorrect, typically with a 1000hp truck you load the dyno at 35-40% as long as your building max boost then your load is fine
Awesome video I'll be picking up 1 of your t-shirt fosho
Thanks man!
36" Mickey T... please
10% seems about right.
I wish i could get access to a dyno. On top of all the real reasons I would use it, I would test the Banks air horn vs a stock one cuz no one else will.
Not sure if its yours, but if so you should troll My Banks. Man owns a dyno but wont test his horn. Probably because the difference is with in the variable between runs.
Any ways the horn is useful for the water meth ports and is pretty, but this guy throws alot of shade on us tuners.
Oh I’m 100% going to test all these companies wild claims for HP gains. I bet there is zero difference with the banks intake horn. Can’t wait for them to come crying to me about how I didn’t do a proper dyno test or some BS like that 😂
@@darkirondiesel I cant wait. We might be surprised, btu I doubt it, cuz the man has a dyno. He has made mulple vids attempting throwing shade on doubters, but has yet to do a back to back.
I figure at stock power level with just a horn swap might not do anything if at all, but I am also curious how it would do on a truck like mine with 60k in upgrades with just a horn swap.
On another note, bank has a tuner called automind. I had decent results with that other than the rpm was still limited to 3200 and 110 mph.
Lover your channel. Keep posting.
WHY DID THIS VIDEO GET RECOMMENDED TO ME THE DAY I WENT FROM 17s TO 18s????
Those rims are stright out of mexico.
what about undersized wheels
Jake Paul is doing car videos? Just joking bro , your doing gods work 👍
37’s vs. Stock
Put a larger rearend gear!!!
Your speedo goes up as if the dyno has no resistance. Is this normal? It cant be simulating correct road driving load conditions?
As long as you are building the same amount of boost on the dyno as you do on the road the load is set high enough, at least that’s what I was told
It may cause power loss, but at least the big wheels make it look stupid and cost more… brilliant
Great video, I always wonder this!
Thanks for watching!
Don't know which looks worse, that guy or the truck with those stupid wheels.
Are you gay? Why are you checking me out? It’s ok if you are baby, I don’t judge.
Hey bro; we met at turn em, I was parked beside you. So if I pull out an abs sensor off one of my tires will it disable my traction control? My traction even with it fully off still comes on
Try between the different tune levels
Bet
What? No carolina squat with the rubber band tires? 😂
Haha not over here
And also, when can I come over for a dyno ?
Are you still running CCS tunes on the other 6.7s?
dyno a crown vic
37x18
1500s look cool lifted. 2500 and above lifted is unemployed behavior.
Except 2500 and 3500 cost significantly more then a 1500.
Those rubber band tires look gay AF! 😂
What delete do you recommend for a 2016 Ram 3500 low output chassis cab, it only towes heavy trailers,
Can you shout me a message on instagram?
That's the Price you pay for THINKING that you look cool....
Jake Paul doing dyno tests
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