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I am a Hatfield Decendant of this feud. My Great Grandma was Dorothy Avis Hatfield. I went to school with some McCoy descendants. I got along with the McCoy boys.
If you are a Hatfield descendant, you're a McCoy descendant. I am related to both families because they were so intermarried so much along the Big Sandy River.
Why would you not get on ffs? The idea of an intergenerational "feud" is a pathetic rationalisation of, essentially, off violent backwoods behaviour, a myth-making justification of a conflict that had no business beyond the initial interpersonal conflicts of the original participants ... generations ago. The lack of education, interbreeding and the isolated, insulated familial and social context allowed this 'feud' to fester and bloom into something pathological and intrinsic to the psychological fabric of these two families that, over the generations, and facilitated by through later media interest, became self-fulfilling - adding to and perpetuating this now kinda dumb, overblown idea of a 'feud' both families bought into. So that is why your comment is silly in 2024. Why tf would you not get on with any McCoys?
I almost didn't watch this video just because this story has been done so many times over the decades, but you and your writer really fleshed it out magnificently. Great job!
Though this is the best known feud, the Holbrook-Underwood feud was far deadlier. My great grandmother was one of the Holbrooks. Crazy story that didn't make national headlines because it didn't last for decades or involve two states and their governments.
That feud is famous my late dad heard of that story and it was used in pop culture many times particularly in some cartoons like Flintstones, the three stooges cartoon and even Scooby Doo.
The feud between the Bushes and the Simpsons in that one Simpsons episode has a lot of similarities as well, so it could be considered another media reference.
It’s still used in pop culture. It’s our Capulets and Motagues or York and Lancaster. It’s the American go-to example of a generational hostile rivalry.
I'm US Army Retired. I served with a Hatfield. He was one of my soldiers. I want to say he's currently living in Alaska. We stay in touch. He actually ended up getting married and changed his last name cause he was done with his family and all the drama.
I can appreciate that the drama and bother from others may have played a role. I’d get tired of new people asking “are you related to THE Hatfields?” and getting a bit starstruck.
Thank you! I've been doing a LOT of voice over on my own channel, Storyrant. For some reason, I thought it would be a good idea to try to edit and release an hour long video essay every month. The vibe's very different, but it's been helping to make the recording sessions for these a lot easier.
Eric thank you keep kicking ass man we appreciate your videos and your content i really like the new ideas including the bite sized bios and these longer ones incorporating a very complex historical event anyway is it possibly in the cards for benito juarez or Rutherford b Hayes
@@ShopStylebyme it is disgusting bar none and certainly nothin to be proud of, from a historical aspect my family doesnt know much since the building that housed records burned down so to learn more about my family is something given all that is really cool to me.
@@ShopStylebyme randall mccoy did marry a cousin, but it was not common. not nearly so as they would have you think and non of the Hatfields were married to "cousins"...
Boone NC here…a book from UNC Press titled Our Killing Kin came out about a feud between the Canter and Potter clans. Our friend has a cousin who saw the last member of the Potters to die in the late 40s, under a tree with a gunshot wound…
I like the way you told the story, a hint of humor yet serious at the same time, glad I watched this, I did watch the short series with Kevin cosner don't know how much was fact, but I liked it!
@@HelsinkirocksAGF I know he used to host other shows, but I'm subscribed to a couple of them, but haven't gotten any notifications lately from any of them. I hope he's doing well. I love Simon, he's a trip.
@@Krullmatic he still uploads on megaprojects, sideprojects, decoding the unknown, and today I found out for sure. I'm not sure about Warographics. Xplrd was cool but it's one of the few that straghit up got deleted.
I'd like to suggest a video on Louis Blériot, the first aviator to fly across the English channel. Fascinating life story, and I'm honestly surprised I haven't seen a video on your channel about him already (if I just missed it, please link it for me).
Not very fun fact: billy mccoy, younger brother of bud, killed himself not long after. Most believe bud took his place and was arrested instead of Billy, despite bud not being involved in the fight. Bud, a supposed innocent child, was then killed for Supposedly young Billys part in the fight. That's Mccoy lore anyway.
Oooh, there's a good John Hornor Jacobs story included in his cosmic horror novel A Lush and Seething Hell that provides a possible eldritch origin to that song, definitely recommend it.
Story has it that my family is both Hatfield and McCoy.....my kin are Marcum....from Kermit West Virginia, on the border of Kentucky. I watched the Kevin Costner movie.....Now I know why I don't have nothing to do with them
Ah, if only the Hatfields and McCoy's had had web -sites, back then , been involved in the hip-hop scene with realitiy shows then we coulda haddda real feud.!
Used to be interested in this story saw both movies read a couple books. But then in the end when you really think about it was really just two hick families fighting over a pig and a little bit about the fight over two star crossed lovers between one of the Mccoy s and Hatfields. Thats it. Kinda stupid really. ....that and hanging "cotton top" the probably only innocent members of the feud who was mentally challenged. So even the law were idiots dealing with the feud too.
The movies was not accurate. It was over more than a pig. As far as cotton top he was mean allot of the hatfields was scared of him. He also killed one of the McCoy girls at the house burning on New Year’s Eve. You might want to do more research.
That area, So Ohio, West Virginia n Kentucky is quite the area. Low in population and high in small villages it’s beautiful yet still pretty isolated territory. My mom grew up in Southern Ohio along the Ohio river and she told stories of Ohio kids and West Virginia kids yelling at each other across the river all the time. I doubt either side ever really heard the other side clearly with a mile of water separating them but they sure had fun.
I'm descended from Hatfields. I've seen pictures of a Hatfield woman sitting on a cabin porch with a long gun across her lap. Other than that, I really never knew much about the feud except what was told by others. So I appreciated this look at a part of the hillbilly family. Though it looks like Devil Anse was a right bastard. I just recently met a McCoy. I asked him if he was a "real" McCoy and he said yes and had a look of, I am so sick of this. I grinned and told him I was a Hatfield. We had a good laugh over it. We live in upstate NY and neither one of us owns pigs so we think we're good.
I wrote a short story in high school inspired by the Hatfield/ McCoy feud. It ended up becoming a strange little ghost story by the end, with the stolen pig returning as a giant beast, wrapped in barbed wire, that was killing members of both families out of vengeance. I don't know if it was actually any good but it got me high marks in my English class. 😅
My grandpa's family moved from Wales to Ireland then to the USA at the same time as the McCoys, late 1790s. They might have even been among the same groups of immigrants. My grandpa's family was being thrown in prison and their property confiscated for made up crimes because they were related to the pirate Black Bart Roberts so a lot of people with the last name Roberts left for Ireland, the Isle of Man or North America. My grandpa was the youngest of 13 kids, their oldest brother was named Bart as a weird kind of joke.
The feud is so misunderstood, it's portrayed as a Romeo and Juliet style but the truth was hatfields and McCoys had intermarried before the feud and were kinfolk as expression goes. it was more of a internal fight between the same family The West Virginia side being the wealthy side.
Hey Dude , there was a war or two started over a pig .In fact it was called the Pig War , cause bacon was even high on the menu back in frontier days too .But kinda don't really take side the Hatfield and McCoys war , Since it was is .and they are kinda related to each due a Marriage or two .But it was the most famous or infamous feuds on the continent , which almost caused a Civil War between states .
Ants acted like any insect when the lights come on, he ran like a coward. What's crazy is that he shouldn't even have been alive to start this feud seeing as a desertion during war comes with the death penalty. No matter the side someone fought on if you volunteered to fight and you desert during wartime you should always receive the death penalty. Going to the other side is one thing but running like a coward to escape punishment is never acceptable. So yeah had the nation done their due diligence after the war all that BS could have been prevented. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
@@brentskelley9860 well that's what happens when a horror guy reads history. I don't mind his delivery usually but so many times a simple thing like this could be solved by asking questions or researching. But I'm a bit of a historian and an old man so I'm probably just nit picking.
1:07. Think it can't happen? I know David McCoy and Hanna Hatfield. She is a bit explosive in life. David i believe still has the fire arms used back then.
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I went to high school with a McCoy, and I got to say, I'm with the Hatfields on this one. He was an arrogant asshole.
Idk, it seems that the entire feud was just the Hatfields being violent douches
I am a Hatfield Decendant of this feud. My Great Grandma was Dorothy Avis Hatfield. I went to school with some McCoy descendants. I got along with the McCoy boys.
It's clear the McCoys were the good guys.
If you are a Hatfield descendant, you're a McCoy descendant. I am related to both families because they were so intermarried so much along the Big Sandy River.
@@bmorejester1475Well duh, that was explained in the video that there was intermarriage. Cline was related to both families by marriage.
My wife is a McCoy and she had Hatfield cousins now.
Why would you not get on ffs? The idea of an intergenerational "feud" is a pathetic rationalisation of, essentially, off violent backwoods behaviour, a myth-making justification of a conflict that had no business beyond the initial interpersonal conflicts of the original participants ... generations ago. The lack of education, interbreeding and the isolated, insulated familial and social context allowed this 'feud' to fester and bloom into something pathological and intrinsic to the psychological fabric of these two families that, over the generations, and facilitated by through later media interest, became self-fulfilling - adding to and perpetuating this now kinda dumb, overblown idea of a 'feud' both families bought into. So that is why your comment is silly in 2024. Why tf would you not get on with any McCoys?
I almost didn't watch this video just because this story has been done so many times over the decades, but you and your writer really fleshed it out magnificently. Great job!
@@danidavis7912 second that.
Though this is the best known feud, the Holbrook-Underwood feud was far deadlier. My great grandmother was one of the Holbrooks. Crazy story that didn't make national headlines because it didn't last for decades or involve two states and their governments.
fancy seeing you here chris!
That feud is famous my late dad heard of that story and it was used in pop culture many times particularly in some cartoons like Flintstones, the three stooges cartoon and even Scooby Doo.
The feud between the Bushes and the Simpsons in that one Simpsons episode has a lot of similarities as well, so it could be considered another media reference.
There was also a miniseries like 15 or so years ago
Also inspired a fued in red dead redemption
There was also a made-fpr-TV movie I seem to remember.
It’s still used in pop culture. It’s our Capulets and Motagues or York and Lancaster. It’s the American go-to example of a generational hostile rivalry.
I'm US Army Retired. I served with a Hatfield. He was one of my soldiers. I want to say he's currently living in Alaska. We stay in touch. He actually ended up getting married and changed his last name cause he was done with his family and all the drama.
I can appreciate that the drama and bother from others may have played a role. I’d get tired of new people asking “are you related to THE Hatfields?” and getting a bit starstruck.
1:30 - Chapter 1 - Meet the families
4:40 - Mid roll ads
6:25 - Chapter 2 - Start of the troubles
10:30 - Chapter 3 - This little piggy
12:45 - Chapter 4 - Fatal feud
15:45 - Chapter 5 - The tide turns
19:15 - Chapter 6 - New year's massacre
23:50 - Conclusion
You are the real MVP
Told in a profound and easy to understand way, I really like it.
A lovely reminder to be kind, generous, and neighborly, and to not marry close relatives.
You're getting better and better at voiceovering, me like and approve
Thank you! I've been doing a LOT of voice over on my own channel, Storyrant. For some reason, I thought it would be a good idea to try to edit and release an hour long video essay every month. The vibe's very different, but it's been helping to make the recording sessions for these a lot easier.
Yeah I had to put my love for Simon aside and give him a far shake
Eric thank you keep kicking ass man we appreciate your videos and your content i really like the new ideas including the bite sized bios and these longer ones incorporating a very complex historical event anyway is it possibly in the cards for benito juarez or Rutherford b Hayes
Grays and Braithwaites from red dead
My thinking exactly
Literally about to say the same thing
I never knew this channel existed without Simon
im actually related to the hatfeilds that moved to the eastern side of kentucky..its really cool to learn more about my family!
He said they are inbred.
Why is that something to be proud of ? It is illegal and disgusting
@@ShopStylebyme it is disgusting bar none and certainly nothin to be proud of, from a historical aspect my family doesnt know much since the building that housed records burned down so to learn more about my family is something given all that is really cool to me.
@@ShopStylebyme randall mccoy did marry a cousin, but it was not common. not nearly so as they would have you think and non of the Hatfields were married to "cousins"...
Great job , team ! Greatly enjoyed this insightful re-telling ovva classic piece of Americana !
Iced Earth mention!! That's awesome!!
My little pony based an episode base on the feud it was called the hoofields and mccolts
If ur joking this is hilarious.
@@1_Fish.2_Fish.Red_Fish.I'm not joking I'm serious
@@jokodihaynes419no grown up should know that information
Nice
@@jejbsh2191maybe they watched it as kid and remembered the episode? 🤷♂️
Now I'd like to see Oversimplified do a more humorous analysis of this topic.
He only makes like 2 videos a year 😂😂😂😅
Great channel and episode. And as a huge fan of both history and metal, definitely appreciate the shout out to Iced Earth 🤘🤘🤘
Thanks For this eric! Love your content ❤❤❤
Thank you!
Boone NC here…a book from UNC Press titled Our Killing Kin came out about a feud between the Canter and Potter clans.
Our friend has a cousin who saw the last member of the Potters to die in the late 40s, under a tree with a gunshot wound…
So the last person to die from an act of violence in this feud wasn't even part of either clan but a hired hand. Makes sense lol.
This feud even made it into a World of Warcraft quest line
I just know both families are voting for Trump
Let them. It’s the only time they’re united instead of fight
Trump policies = peace, prosperity, sanity.
Well, they do come from a long line of incest and hillbillies so it makes sense 😂
Sincere, or sarcasm?
Simply curious, that is all (:
Leave it to a dem to try and create drama and violence
Awesome episode. I'd love to see more on blood feuds. Neeley Family Distillery has a fascinating history worthy of an episode.
Bring back Simon Whistler to this channel
I like the way you told the story, a hint of humor yet serious at the same time, glad I watched this, I did watch the short series with Kevin cosner don't know how much was fact, but I liked it!
So much better with Simon
So don't watch.
Simon is too enamored of his own voice….
Where’s Simon? 😮
A McCoy was a flight surgeon on the starship Enterprise !
McCoy is a common name. Is he canonically THAT McCoy?
@@ferretyluv LOL !!
Dr. Lennard Mc Coy was from Georgia prior to joining Star Fleet. He never mentioned that his family was involved in the feud. 🙄🇺🇸
@@heatherporterfield7343 Georgia’s waaaaay too far from McCoy area.
17:48 Dear William Daefoe.
The Flintstone and Hatrock feud, 😂😂😂😂
We want Simon.
He left over 12 months ago. So give it up.
@@archstanton6102 No.
@@英語わかりません then you just appear as a troll.
@@archstanton6102 Yes.
Wait......where's Simon?
He's definitely been gone... Awhile. Not sure how long.
@@HelsinkirocksAGF I know he used to host other shows, but I'm subscribed to a couple of them, but haven't gotten any notifications lately from any of them. I hope he's doing well. I love Simon, he's a trip.
@@Krullmatic he still uploads on megaprojects, sideprojects, decoding the unknown, and today I found out for sure. I'm not sure about Warographics. Xplrd was cool but it's one of the few that straghit up got deleted.
@@HelsinkirocksAGF he does warographics almost daily. Also has astrographics and places as new channels
Scotland v England is always a tense battle
True gangsters that came to America 😂
Where is Simon?
Wait...where's Simon?
Where's Simon?
I heard about this at work. They are an Interesting large family. Great stories to tell I’m sure! They are friends now, so it’s cool
My great grandfather saw a Hatfield hang in Pikeville when he was a little boy in the 1890s
Red dead feudal definitely inspired from this
My 5x grandfather is Selkirk McCoy… then 6x asa McCoy 7x Samuel McCoy 8x William McCoy 9x Archibald McCoy… I’m a direct descendant
I'd like to suggest a video on Louis Blériot, the first aviator to fly across the English channel. Fascinating life story, and I'm honestly surprised I haven't seen a video on your channel about him already (if I just missed it, please link it for me).
They show this family fued in rdr2 between the two Rhodes families
I knew I recognized this scenario from rdr2 lol
Not very fun fact: billy mccoy, younger brother of bud, killed himself not long after. Most believe bud took his place and was arrested instead of Billy, despite bud not being involved in the fight. Bud, a supposed innocent child, was then killed for Supposedly young Billys part in the fight. That's Mccoy lore anyway.
I have a friend thats a direct descendent of the hatfields. Dudes got a whole fam tree book
This was pretty cool. Could you do a history on the origin of the song Stagger Lee, please.
Oooh, there's a good John Hornor Jacobs story included in his cosmic horror novel A Lush and Seething Hell that provides a possible eldritch origin to that song, definitely recommend it.
Story has it that my family is both Hatfield and McCoy.....my kin are Marcum....from Kermit West Virginia, on the border of Kentucky. I watched the Kevin Costner movie.....Now I know why I don't have nothing to do with them
That was complicated to follow
I have hung around with, and worked with two Hatfields. One in Florida, and one in Ohio. Interesting history.
Ah, if only the Hatfields and McCoy's had had web -sites, back then , been involved in the hip-hop scene with realitiy shows then we coulda haddda real feud.!
They say it still goes on to this day
What happened to Simon?
As a kid I never knew that cactus McCoy was a reference to this feud. There was even a flintlock in the game called Hatfield's pistol
I don't want to be mean to this guy but please bring back Simon. The vids aren't the same without him.
Thanks for the video even though they signed a peace agreement it will never be over
I see hundreds of peoples’s names in a day at my job, and once I had a Hatfield and a McCoy right in a row.
I had Princess, then Peaches. I swore, if Mario or Luigi was next,, I was going to the casinos.
The Tug Valley is only about 20 miles from where my family settled after the Revolutionary war.
OMG! The narrator has a widows peak ala, Eddie Munster! How hilarious 😂!
Could you make a video about Thomas Sankara please? He is pretty much the main character of Burkina Faso, it would be really interesting
Wait wtf where’s simon? It’s been a while.
Suggestion eric: Please cover Henry VII of england. The first tudor
I think we have?
@@Biographics nope. That was Henry VIII
Used to be interested in this story saw both movies read a couple books. But then in the end when you really think about it was really just two hick families fighting over a pig and a little bit about the fight over two star crossed lovers between one of the Mccoy s and Hatfields. Thats it. Kinda stupid really.
....that and hanging "cotton top" the probably only innocent members of the feud who was mentally challenged. So even the law were idiots dealing with the feud too.
The movies was not accurate. It was over more than a pig. As far as cotton top he was mean allot of the hatfields was scared of him. He also killed one of the McCoy girls at the house burning on New Year’s Eve. You might want to do more research.
Great video! Trying to figure out what your sweater says… what does it say?
Virginia Beach.
That area, So Ohio, West Virginia n Kentucky is quite the area. Low in population and high in small villages it’s beautiful yet still pretty isolated territory. My mom grew up in Southern Ohio along the Ohio river and she told stories of Ohio kids and West Virginia kids yelling at each other across the river all the time. I doubt either side ever really heard the other side clearly with a mile of water separating them but they sure had fun.
I'm not sure if there was ever a movie made about this feud
THANK YOU
Braithwaite vs Grays? 😂
I'm descended from Hatfields. I've seen pictures of a Hatfield woman sitting on a cabin porch with a long gun across her lap. Other than that, I really never knew much about the feud except what was told by others. So I appreciated this look at a part of the hillbilly family. Though it looks like Devil Anse was a right bastard. I just recently met a McCoy. I asked him if he was a "real" McCoy and he said yes and had a look of, I am so sick of this. I grinned and told him I was a Hatfield. We had a good laugh over it. We live in upstate NY and neither one of us owns pigs so we think we're good.
This channel has now turned all about American people and places
TF? He did romans like 2 weeks ago
Wait, what happened to Simon?
My great-grandmother was a Hatfield.
My grandmother on my dad’s side was a McCoy
My great-great-grandmother, a Hatfield, sent my great grandfather away from home to get away from the feud. He always said it started over a pig.
Shout out to Va beach! My hometown! I live about 1.5 hrs north on the family farm now. Had to get out of the city. Life out here is so much better
This sounds like our swedish gangster clan wars. Shots escalating
Please do a video on Charles VI of France.
Huh... I missed Lovecraft's story about the Hatfields and the McCoys! Or was that one by Robert Bloch or Clark Ashton Smith?
The Ulster Migration would make an interesting video
I wrote a short story in high school inspired by the Hatfield/ McCoy feud. It ended up becoming a strange little ghost story by the end, with the stolen pig returning as a giant beast, wrapped in barbed wire, that was killing members of both families out of vengeance. I don't know if it was actually any good but it got me high marks in my English class. 😅
Who else googled JD Vance's relationship to the Hatfield family?
My grandpa's family moved from Wales to Ireland then to the USA at the same time as the McCoys, late 1790s. They might have even been among the same groups of immigrants.
My grandpa's family was being thrown in prison and their property confiscated for made up crimes because they were related to the pirate Black Bart Roberts so a lot of people with the last name Roberts left for Ireland, the Isle of Man or North America. My grandpa was the youngest of 13 kids, their oldest brother was named Bart as a weird kind of joke.
W on W crime
Prefer Simon, sorry.
It's clear the McCoys were the good guys
The feud is so misunderstood, it's portrayed as a Romeo and Juliet style but the truth was hatfields and McCoys had intermarried before the feud and were kinfolk as expression goes. it was more of a internal fight between the same family The West Virginia side being the wealthy side.
Hey Dude , there was a war or two started over a pig .In fact it was called the Pig War , cause bacon was even high on the menu back in frontier days too .But kinda don't really take side the Hatfield and McCoys war , Since it was is .and they are kinda related to each due a Marriage or two .But it was the most famous or infamous feuds on the continent , which almost caused a Civil War between states .
Sorry. Wrong face. Not watching
Well thats it! Now ima be a-fuedin with mah neighbors! Their youngin keeps bringin my 2 pigs snacks n whatnot! Theys makin em portly! 😆
Kevin said it was over a pig it was over a pig
My daughter is a Hatfield her mother last name is Hatfield
where do i know Eric from again???
Ants acted like any insect when the lights come on, he ran like a coward. What's crazy is that he shouldn't even have been alive to start this feud seeing as a desertion during war comes with the death penalty. No matter the side someone fought on if you volunteered to fight and you desert during wartime you should always receive the death penalty. Going to the other side is one thing but running like a coward to escape punishment is never acceptable. So yeah had the nation done their due diligence after the war all that BS could have been prevented. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Old raynell.... lol😂
I know, especially since his name was Randall....LOL
I’m glad someone said something lmao. It bugged me so much each time he said it 😂
@@brentskelley9860 well that's what happens when a horror guy reads history. I don't mind his delivery usually but so many times a simple thing like this could be solved by asking questions or researching. But I'm a bit of a historian and an old man so I'm probably just nit picking.
Can i just ask why simon left? I still don't know
He had a disagreement with the channel's owner and left 12+ months ago.
im a descendant of the mccoy-hatfield fued starts from great grandparents
Pig stealing is serious business. Just ask Nicholas Cage.
1:07. Think it can't happen? I know David McCoy and Hanna Hatfield. She is a bit explosive in life. David i believe still has the fire arms used back then.
Did simon sell all his good channels so he could focus on the rubbish ones?