History Buffs: Tombstone
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Val Kilmer is to doc holiday, what Heath ledger was to the joker
Exactly
I watched Tombstone for the first time today and that’s the immediate connection I made as well.
Well said. And even though he may have lost to Tommy Lee Jones, Val Kilmer still deserved an Oscar nomination for his portrayal of Doc Holliday in this movie
Yeahhhh….. no
I love this statement
I think the fear revolving around Doc Holliday was the fact that he didn’t care if he died, not so much his death count.
A plausible hypothesis.
Yes but he actually *was* the fastest and deadliest gunslinger the west ever saw according to Wyatt. So it could be both.
I think this is fair. While he's known as a gunslinger today, he really wasn't known as that by his contemporaries. He was, however, known for being very quick to go to his knife (referenced in his first appearance). It's probably why the deaths attributed to him are fairly low compared to other Western gunfighters.
It was because of his work as a dentist.
@@johnmccarron7066 The stabbing depicted in the beginning of the movie is false I have looked there is no proof Doc ever stabbed a man over a poker game i for one do not believe Doc was a bad man
Wyatt Earp was never wounded by gunfire. Through all his adventures, bullets and buckshot flying everywhere, friends and family dropping all around him, he was never hit, never wounded, totally unscathed. Interesting. That fact contributes to his mystique.
After the Curly Bill shooting, one of the men in the party said "You must be shot to pieces?"
Where upon Wyatt would open his duster to reveal all the holes shot in his jacket.
His jacket as shot to hell, but he sure as hell wasn't.
@@chris.3711He was actually the main character damn
@@areafurrynone1913 Wyatt was actually based on Vash the Stampede
@@missbelled6700 Wdym actually based on? Wyatt Earp was a real person
@@areafurrynone1913Thats the joke friend.
I like how they actually made Doc look ill
Him constantly being sweaty is pretty cool
@@Leviathan56I wouldn’t say cool but attention to detail 😂
Val Kilmer took ice baths before each shoot. That helped give him that pale shaky look
ALso helped that he was reportedly coming off a serious alcohol + cocaine addiction 🤭
You’ve forgotten to include the part where Doc Holiday dies in his bed, looks down at his bare feet and says “Well I’ll be damned” the reason for this is never given. But true history buffs will know, that this was said in the movie because the real Doc Holiday always preached that he would “die with his boots on”.
You are correct sir.
K Lub He wanted to die with his boots on because........his ten toe nails were painted. Every one of them.
Nope. Well, maybe. Who was there to witness/document it?
Nice little tidbit on Doc Holliday
Cowboys and outlaws died with their boots on
Sure, Val got robbed of an Oscar and there's no denying that, but honestly with the massive recognition he still gets for this role, I'd say that's even better.
Anthony Sanchez Thanks to TH-cam.
@Billy Bodyslam doesn't change the fact that he still receives praise for the role. Yeah his life may not be the best but I'm sure he feels happy whenever someone says they love a character he played. A lot of actors wish they could have a performance they have done that everyone remembers and praises. Plenty of actors who have won Oscar's for a performance dont get that same respect. Trophys are not everything. The Oscar's are a popularity and political contest. We all know that the best choice doesnt not always win. Look at Stanely Kurbrik. One of the best directors ever who made some of the best things to ever be put on film never won. Saving Private Ryan lost to Shakespeare in love. Everyone praises and respects SPR and no one even remember Shakespeare in love. There are plenty more examples but you get the idea. The Oscar's are a joke. Plenty of the best actors and directors ever in film never got the respect they deserved from the academy simply cause of politics. Hell the easiest way to win a oscar is just make a movie about Hollywood and you will get many nominations and more than likely win most of them. The academy voters love circle jerking each other. Now the past couple years the have become weak and instead of nominating the best movies, they need to make sure they have movies that feature gay people, black people, trans etc. So they dont recieve backlash even if those movies dont deserve awards. Idc if gay, black, trans or white ideas are in movies. I believe the best should be nominated for the performance and work alone. But people freakout if a minority isnt nominated even if it's not deserved. And this is coming from a liberal. Black Panther being nominated for best picture is a perfect example. That movie doesnt even deserve to be in the top 20 best movies of the year but he it is nominated for best picture. They movie was not good at all. It had moments sure but that terrible cgi fight at the end alone is enough to show it's not a great movie. Equality does not mean giving special treatment. I think people today do not understand what true equality is. Special consideration just because of a race, sexuality and whatnot is not fair. If there is a 7 foot high wall and you have 3 people, one is 6'5, one is 6' and last one is 5'5. You give each of them one 1 foot tall box to see over the wall. That's equality. But if you now give the 5'5 guy 2 boxes and 6'guy one box and the 6'5 gets nothing cause he happened to be the tallestand the other people consider that unfair. that is now giving special treatment and it's not equality. Punishing someone just because other have a disadvantage is wrong.
Yeah, he still got robbed though. So unfortunate, and is why a lot of people still complain about it today, 25 years after the movie was released.
Anthony Sanchez an Oscar would be better. Surely.
@@thebadbandito No doubt
Using Sam Elliot's voice from The Big Lebowski was brilliant. I had almost forgotten how he was also in Tombstone until I saw this 20 years later.
Pliz run for releaction. Wi mis auwa grate lida, dis bich ho iz in ofis doz nat no shit!
I just realized it was from The Big Lebowski, I almost forgot Sam Elliott was in both movies.
The dude abides
The Bums Lost!!
When Virgil tried to deescalate the poker table scene with Doc Holliday and Ike. He got in his face real mean like and I think Steven Lang was genuinely startled by that moment in the movie as brief as it may seem. Having Sam Elliott being a terror like that almost seems like an unnatural feeling, I would imagine Sam otherwise poise would have him be a very calm and carefree individual
A "misfire" is when a firearm fails. Now "negligent discharge" on the other hand is more representative of the actions taken by old curly. Most likely it was done on purpose though (during the actual event).
Ed White said it was an accident. Can't argue with the man who was going to die. Ed White's grave is on Boot Hill and he wasn't as old as Harry Carey Jr.
Yeah, i think curly bill in real life was actually fond of ed white, but i cant remember for sure.
Record said that Fred White said it was an accident before he passed( he actually lived a full day after the shooting)
i like how powers booth and michael biehn side with their characters
IIRC it was generally believed that it was an accidental shooting, and Curly's gun discharged while White was trying to take it from him. I think even Wyatt testified as such, that the issue was Curly fully loading his revolver instead of leaving an empty chamber under the hammer (as was custom at the time due to the guns having effectively no safety mechanisms) leading to an ND.
Another 'true fact' was what Doc said on his deathbed, overheard by a nurse at the bed next to his, "This is funny", in reference to his being barefoot as opposed to 'dying with his boots on'.
another commenter had said it was also because the nurse had painted his toe nails.
another one who didn,t get the catch . Doc Had this reaction because he had a boner which most of people dying do is having a boner . Doc never had sex because of his tuberculoses cause the desease made him incompetant to have any boners thats why he said '' this is funny ''
Lot’s of speculation here. As I have read these stories come from Wyatt Earp and there is little validity to them. At the time of Doc’s death apparently they were estranged over a Jewish Woman. Doc began calling Wyatt a “jewboy” which caused an argument and they split ways.
I have seen a couple comments saying he said something different. Really nobody knows what was said unless you were there and are a vampire and can't die 😂.
@@stpbasss3773 I was there. He was looking at Among Us memes as he died.
I've been to Tombstone and there are bullet holes in the ceiling of the Birdcage theater.
Ya that was put there for tourism.
That's Arizona for you. Back in the 80s, open carry was not only allowed, but encouraged. Everyone I knew carried a pistol (at a minimum) and at least as many as not had rifles or shotguns in their vehicles.
@@thatguy22441 the 1880s?
Why were so many murders taken place there ?
Over 100, if memory serves
love the scene when ringo shows off his guns skills and doc does then same with a mug. Also when whilst drunk doc is told that his seeing double, doc pulls out both guns and says its ok got one for each.
I love the gun/mug scene as well!
Look darling, it's Johnny Ringo. Should I hate him?
I remember learning about this in school about 2 years before the movie came out. The one small detail that I liked the most that they got correct was Doc’s death scene. He always said he’d die with his boots on, which is why when he looked at his bare feet his last words were “I’ll be damned. This is funny.” It was reported by a nurse that those were his final words.
I can't believe after all they went through, name calling is what split Doc and Wyatt
@@kimchi2780 Doc saved Wyatt's life.
It wasn't that Doc insulted Wyatt. The name-calling was an insult to Josephine and to a man like Wyatt that's a line you don't cross.
There was probably much more to it than a few seconds of name calling and disparaging of Josephine Marcus. Holliday probably talked about disliking the relationship other times too.
@@raydonahue1978 I've seen familys split apart RECENTLY over racism, this appears to be the same thing.
Its not the name that caused them to split but but what calling it out ment about the other's personnality . Doc Simply Discovered that the righteous man that he saved years before wasn't as righteous as he thought he was and that Wyatt's morals were as bad as the people he killed and also that he was a double standard guy . what he applied on others as rules of conduct he didn't apply to himself .
Concerning Earp not being a hero. I read an interview from the 1900’s. He said something like, “ one thing the reporters who say I was a bad guy never mention, after I got rid of the cowboys, the crime in Tombstone stopped.”
Wyatt Earp was a pimp.
@@johnedwards2759 ~ they always seem to forget to mention that.
@@izzojoseph2 'Reporters' are often bummed when there's no bad news, bad behavior or ignorant gossip to report. That's just their job security. Very few ever are competent 'journalists'.
"the crime in Tombstone stopped" -- No wonder Democrats hated him.
@@mountainhobo ~ 😂😂
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I like how the actors stay in-character during the commentary. It’s like hearing the real life historical figures express their opinions on a modern camera.
Doc saying "I'll be dammed oh isn't this funny" were really Doc Holliday's last words
Actually according to his nurses his last words were: "This is funny."
Val Kilmer should have won an Oscar for his role!
Definitely his best role ever.
He really shouldn’t have.
The grouch?
Iraq Lobsta!! 45 because he really wasn’t that good in this role.
Daniel Fitzsimmons Cruz always the contrarian I bet
The TB makeup on Val Kilmer is amazing. Especially how he looks progressively sicker as the movie goes on.
Most of his look was because of how much weight he lost for the role. Or so legend says 😉
@Daniel Treadwell r/quityourbullshit
@@thedankgunslinger8948 r/woosh
@@thedankgunslinger8948 When a redit jokes gets wooshed. What a time.
@Daniel Treadwell well played mr bond
Wyatt was a human making his way in a very tough time. I see him as a good guy pushed to make survival decisions whether bad or good. He survived so whether you think he's bad or good he survived.
we all survive until we don't 😆
Plot twist: when Doc looks down at his feet and says “I’ll be damned” before he dies, he’s actually admiring his ballsack one last time in respect for all the ballsy moves he made in his life
According to his nurses he actually said: "This is funny"
@@shrimpflea I was kidding
@@shrimpfleastill means the same thing
This movie is my number one for best moustaches.
I think Sam Eliott wins the prize when it comes to best voice and bomb-ass mustache! He wins the gold star as (Alpha Male), that's a whole lot of man!😉
Oh my god, i was about to say something
Gettysburg
I agree fully!
real lightening too!
"Im Ya Huckleberry"
Greatest 1 liner ever...
Poeaux Gunnah I would be inclined to agree if the actual greatest quote wasn’t in the same film.
“Go ahead, skin it...skin that smoke wagon and we'll see what happens.”
Edit: to be fair this movie has several that could be considered the 🐐
“I’ve got two guns, one for the each of ya”
thats just my game
"Say when"
"Huckleberry" or "huckle bearer" (with a drawl or double meaning? Huckle is a handle on a coffin.
@The Curious Mind idk. Val Kilmer has a memoir coming out next week called I'm your huckleberry
The last time I was in Tombstone (I live in AZ) and I visited the Bird Cage Theatre, it was shortly after they had found a room in the basement where a long-running poker game had taken place. There were green-felt covered tables, with cards and chips and chairs pushed back from the tables as if the players had just gotten up for a minute and would be back shortly. There was even a mini bar with glasses and bottles still on the counter. Doc Holliday's faro table is there as well, covered with Plexiglas to protect it.
My great-great-grandfather was Colonel William Herring, a prominent attorney in Tombstone. He represented Wyatt Earp in court after the gunfight. Virgil Earp was deputy US Marshall, giving him access to Federal Troops, but in reality very little day-to-day authority. Johnny Behan was Cochise County Sherriff which gave him significant authority and financial backing of ranchers. It was only until Virgil was appointed town Marshall (backed by local business) that his combined authority with his federal position that he "boxed" in Behan.
There were more lawyers and bankers per capita in Tombstone (because of mining interests) than anywhere else west of the Mississippi River. It wasn't completely the dusty town depicted in the movies. My ancestors belonged to the country club which had tennis courts.
Val Kylmer was robbed of an Oscar for this role.
It was good, but the fact that it was Val Kilmer and it was actually good makes it SEEM a lot better. Didn't he get one for The Doors? I consider him fortunate for that one alone.
yeah he isn't very good. Just creating a memorable likable character doesn't mean he is some kind of master. Any complexity in this character is superficial at best. I like Val K. in this but he just got lucky that what he did worked because it wasn't like he could have done anything differently if it didn't work.
blond knight he lost to Tommy Lee Jones in the Fugitive, thAt was a good year but still
Think Kilmer had it
Nah, the guy who played Ike Clanton deserved one.
Val Kilmer was good as Doc Holiday. But Dennis Quaid was robbed for even more from HIS portrayal of Holiday the following year in 'Wyatt Earp.' He took method acting to a new level.
What a cast line-up!!! Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Bill Paxton, Sam Elliott, Powers Boothe, Michael Biehn - it's just as legendary as the event! Sadly, two of those names aren't with us anymore.
Billy Bob Thornton, Billy Zane, Terry O’Quinn. hell even Charlton Heston gets in there.
Michael Rooker is there for a minute as well
Val Kilmer definitely stole the show during every doc appearance, as much as I love every single one of these actors
Robert Mitchum is the narrator
Placing “Colors” over the footage of cowboys is a completely underrated joke.
It's great to be honest.
I was laughing my butt off. I have seen this movie at least 30 times and never thought of that.
Wait could you explain it to me?
@@michaelterrell5061
Its the Ice T, title song, from the 80s gang movie of the same name.
It was a comparison of the 'Cowboys' to the Bloods & Crips. Since the Cowboys in this film wore gang colors (their sashes).
I have stood in the very spot where this gunfight happened. It was a very small spot, maybe 20 feet wide. The whole shootout lasted less than 2 minutes. They have life-sized animatronics that play the whole ordeal out. Super cool.
"Under 2 minutes" is not specific enough. The entire shootout lasted approximately 30 seconds, according to the majority of historical sources. Approximately 30 shots fired in approximately 30 seconds.
I stood there two days ago. The "reenactment" nearby is cheesy. It SHOULD be an excruciatingly accurate (to the degree possible) reenactment and should be done on the actual spot instead of the dummies standing there.
everybody's gangster until a Mf start choppin you down in Latin.
Speaking of Wyatt Earp's job as a pimp, I'm surprised you didn't point out that the movie references this former occupation. Ike Clanton drunkenly calls Virgil and his brothers pimps at one point, which infuriates Virgil.
The bit with the Cowboys shooting up the theater to show their approval is actually quite authentic to the old west- many period hotels and taverns (which almost always had sleeping quarters upstairs), as well as theaters, had double-beamed ceilings to catch the large but relatively (by modern standards) low velocity rounds fired by pistols that were fired into them by drunks and protect those sleeping (or fucking) upstairs. You can still find them in many of the surviving and restored buildings from the period- including, incidentally, the Birdcage in Tombstone, where this scene takes place.
What western genre elements in this film differ from what you might consider stereotypical "western" genre elements?
"I'm going to do a Western. And the greatest of them all!"
Blazing Saddles?
"Tombstone!"
That works, too
Both but different reasons - one for unequaled drama, the other for total irreverent politically incorrect humor.
Well, in any case: the sheriff is near.
@No, carnflabit! I said the sheriff is
In addition to living to 1929, Wyatt Earp also served as a technical consultant for several Western movies directed by John Ford.
GreenArrowProductions ha! Thats a bit of a twist. Could Wyatt be one of makers of the Legend of himself as a western hero?
Is Wyatt the one who told directors that guns in the west held 3,000 rounds? ;)
RebSike, Funnily enough, Wyatt only kept five rounds in his gun. Guns didn't have safety's back then so he would keep the hammer over the empty round to prevent the gun from accidentally going off. John Ford would of course ignore this historical tidbit, but the stunt men took it to heart.
and that you can outrun bullets
J Calhoun
Didn't Lake only meet Wyatt twice, and the rest of the book was filled in with testimonials of Wyatt's associates soon after Wyatt's death?
Sam elliots voice is perfect for the narration of "the dude"
Actually, it was Robert Mitchum who was the narrator. But they both sound similar.
KROCKOHOLICSHTOWN he’s talking about the big Lebowski narration. Not tombstone itself.
Adrian Bryand O.K.! well they did mention the dude in this video.
Sam Elliot in The Big Lebowski is of course necessary; I mean Dude...Man, Like... Lebowski...Ya know, man.
Aey Phan Or anything else.
In the Costner movie Wyatt Earp Dennis Quaid played an amazing Doc Holliday but nobody will ever have played doc better than Val Kilmer he was meant for that part
Dennis Quaid was excellent. However, he will forever be buried by Kilmer's performance. 50 years from now, media students will be debating why Val Kilmer didnt get an Oscar nomination. In the end, does the general public actually KNOW who won last year's Oscar? It's what everyone remembers as a brilliant performance, not the trophy.
Val Kilmer didn’t play Doc Holiday, he reincarnated him.
The best Doc Holliday of all time was Kirk Douglas. Kilmer was a cartoon and Quaid was a bit part.
@@dlpogge Lmao, what? Kilmer was the most accurate portrayal...
@@VictoriaCortes1717 I am pretty sure you have no idea how I live. You may not share my opinion, but that is no reason to be insulting.
I think they came as close to the real story as a western with time constraints could possibly do. It was a pleasant surprise to find out after I saw the movie that most of the scenes in it actually happened ☺️
"Nonesense, I have not yet begun to defile myself"
“Yes it’s true, you are a good woman. Then again...you may be the Antichrist”.
"Why Kate, you're not wearing a bustle" ... "how dude"
"I have two guns - one for each of ya."
@@Krysdavar how "lewd."
doh, dupid phone!
Many people don't consider this a "great" western because it is a bit campy and produced but I think it is terrific despite some silly and corny scenes here and there.
It is highly re-watchable. One of the most re-watchable movies ever which is why it is on cable so often. Its highly entertaining and a movie you can just pick up and watch any time even if you have seen it 20 times already.
To me it is like The Untouchables. It is an adaptation of the legend of the events more than the actual history. But it is entertaining and a lot of fun with great acting and a few really standout performances. Classic moviemaking.
Those many people are wrong. Full stop.
It's a gorgeous film that does its best to be authentic while still keeping the narrative moving along, and of course, it doesn't hurt that these are some very charismatic performers. One more thing... RIP Bill Paxton. You are missed.
The gangsta rap over the Cowboys thing was unexpectedly badass.
If you ever take a trip to Tombstone go into that theater, its still standing. The ceiling is still riddled with bulletholes to this day.
Michael Knight but where is it at tho?
Its the Birdcage theater in Tombstone
Was just there and you're right! If you go, they point out a bunch to you where the bullets are still buried. There are tons are artifacts in there as well and is absolutely worth the price of admission.
Yes, the real cowboys would fire their guns into the ceiling. Also, there is no air conditioner in the building so on summer nights it could be over 110 F or over 42 C in the room
Ukrainian immigrant here and have had the privilege to visit every single building in Tombstone, as well as visit the Queen Mine in Bisbee in the same day. It was such an experience that I'd never forget!
In case anyone's unaware: When the Birdcage theater closed, it was boarded up with all its wonderful contents inside, and remained that way until it was purchased many years later and the new owners found a treasure trove preserved inside. Visit this place if you can.
Amazing place to see. The numerous (6 or 7?) bullet holes in the ceiling and walls could be why the indoor shooting scene was so dramatized in the movie.
as a local in the valley, i can confirm this.
It’s worth noting that Big Nose Kate, the Girlfriend of Doc Holliday, said that after the shootout at the OK corral, upon returning to the hotel, that Doc wept while recalling his experience, repeatedly saying, "it was horrible, it was horrible..."
sounds like something an upset ex would say lol. Doc was in many shootouts and fights and killed people so i highly doubt he wept once to only her, the girl whos upset he left her....
@@Benji-jj2bg this is actually not true. Doc Holiday was only in a handful of shootouts and killed only two or three men in his life.
@@Benji-jj2bg You didn't watch the video? Doc only killed a total of two people throughout his entire life. He wasn't some cold-blooded killer accustom to taking life. You and the few people who liked your comment are the type of fools to speak without any real knowledge of what you're talking about. "Oh, I heard some things about Doc Holliday from random people who also don't really know what they're talking about. To hell with doing actual historical research to get accurate information about Doc Holliday. I'm gonna stick with inaccurate myths that aren't even true!" 🤡🤡
I have been to the bird cage theater and seen personally the bullet holes and talked to the museum curator and what he told me is that a lot of people shot the ceiling in celebration and was completely normal. Also it’s a private establishment barely touched by Federal or State law back in the 1870’s therefore not something a sheriff or marshal would likely intervene at least until someone gets hurt or is banned by the establishment
Im named after Wyatt and actually grew up in Tombstone! The one small difference thats always bothered me is that The Bird Cage Theater is facing an odd angle in the film so it can be clearly seen in the wide shot of them walking the street. In real life it just faces straight ahead, the small details always called out to me since I saw the real town everyday.
wmascolina That's because Tombstone in the film was shot at Old Tucson's Mescal location.
That's cool! I didn't know that !
kenashimame I actually didnt know that, Ive even been to Old Tucson haha. Thanks for the info.
Mescal's owned by Old Tucson, but it's on the South Side of the Rincon Mountains. Old Tucson "proper" played Tucson and Denver in the movie.
Alot OG it was actually filmed at knotts berry farm
Doc was my great grandmothers great uncle, pretty cool.
My wife's mother was a Holliday supposedly of the same family. My wife had a picture of her maternal grandfather that looks exactly like Doc. Her grandfather died of cirrosis about the same age.
His piano is still in the saloon in Leadville CO if you're looking for family heirlooms!
Pictures or it didn't happen
No crap doc was my uncle's great 3d cousin
Its a family reunion
As a Arizonan; its awesome hearing this story since we have a lot of mining history, but people focus on the Californian gold rush.
Heck, Arizona is still America’s leading copper supplier.
Val Kilmer deserved an Oscar in every sense. Someone said that Wyatt Earp doesn't draw fast but he was a top marksman who never missed. Those frontier lawmen shaped this great nation in a great way, they contributed greatly.
He truly wasn't a fast draw, not as quick as Doc Holliday or Frank Leslie, but damn he was accurate. Whatever he shot he hit it
Slow is fast, fast is slow. It doesn't matter if you get off the first shot if it just goes harmlessly into the ground, and your opponent takes a second longer but puts a chunk of lead through your 🧠.
Wyatt was also fearless. Utterly unafraid of dying. It made him steady and smart in a fight when others were panicked and unstable.
Behold, the movie with the greatest "NOOOOOOO!" ever!
Revenge of the SIth?
Dubious Fizzgig NOOOOOOO!
No. That was the second greatest.
I guess that makes Phantom Menace the third best NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Clearly you've never seen The Man from Snowy River!
You have to admit that quality moustaches always improve movies
tomtom21194 Gettysburg. The beards. My god.
Having a facial hair is a sunnah by prophet muhammad....
Every time I watch Gettysburg I ask out loud how did those men function with that much hair in their face?
tomtom21194 I do love how all the mustaches in Tombstone are real (allegedly). As for Gettysbrurg, Kai Luer, those were...less convincing.
if i could grow a kurt russell style mustache i absolutely would
Michael Biehn is underrated in this. Probably because Val absolutely killed in his role as Doc.
One interesting fact about the shoot out at the O.K. Corral is that Wyatt Earp’s report after the shooting is still seen as one of the best models in which use of force reports are based off of. I have been fortunate enough to read it and it does a very good job of setting the scene and how the actions played out from his point of view.
One of best performances by Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer as well as Michael Biehn, Sam Elliot and Bill Paxton (R.I.P. 😢) and my favorite western movie, thanks for the holiday gift Nick, keep up the good work as always.
Don’t forget Powers Booth - he was a great Curly Bill.
R.I.P. Powers Booth, too. :(
This was one of the greatest movies that I've ever seen and I don't usually like Westerns. The cast was absolutely phenomenal. You don't see many movies these days with such a star-studded cast list like Tombstone.
lol
They need to do a movie about the kings river water war. Lots of shooting. The farmers took the river by force and held it at gunpoint for 10 years.
You should see that convention video with Michael Biehn on how the cast got together. Biehn wanted Doc but Kilmer already had it, and moved to Ringo which got him more excited because he was a POS. And they all got along, even rehearsing for DAYS with Kilmer on the Ringo death scene. Every time Biehn goes to conventions, he claims they dont see him as Reese from terminator but Ringo most times.
Stupendous and unsurpassable Gunfight at OK Corral version:Intense period dialogue, admirable acting, plus historically accurate decor and clothing/weaponry:Val Kilmer shamefully denied an Oscar!!!!
What western genre elements in this film differ from what you might consider stereotypical "western" genre elements?
Doc is regaled as such a legendary gunslinger not for how many he killed but for his prowess. Doc was one of the fastest men on a revolver so they say, coupled with the fact he has consumption and knew he would die before 40 made him a hell of a threat to any one who dare cross him. Plus Wyatt Earp was is best friend so there that.
Most men back then only lived to 47 anyway.
The best theory on Johnny Ringo's death is that he went to visit another ranch, was drinking and got dismounted from his horse...he was in the middle of the desert, no water and a long way from where he was going. Shot himself, the wound being consistent with suicide. His body was in the crook of the tree, not on the ground, like he was trying to sleep higher up for safety. As stated the Earps were no where near the place, which is verified. And being that Ringo was in a fairly desolate area, it was improbable someone just stumbled upon him or followed him with the motive to kill.
I had in my hands Lake's book when I was doing my long research into Wyatt Earp's life, and the book was in the Alaska Historical collection, you could only have it in the actual library, no check out. I was wondering why such a common book was in there, until I opened the cover and on the first blank cover page was a handwritten note to Lake from Wyatt Earp, signed. Was probably the most intense historical experience I have had. This was before iphones, so I didn't get a pic, and didn't even think about getting a photo copy...I was just overcome by what I saw.
Also his pistol is hanging in the Red Dog Saloon in Juneau.... I didn't believe that was real either, but it was verified by local newspaper accounts. Seem Wyatt on his way north, eventually to Nome, got in a scuffle at the bar and the local police officer disarmed him. He was told he could get his gun in the morning, but was late getting up and had to run to get to the steamship, and never came back that way. I always doubted the story, as I figured Earp would never leave a gun, but the newspaper and local accounts verified it.
and you believed the locals ? hahaha how naiive . Just like Bigfoot was verified to be true by local papers to
Awesome!
Josephine dropped one of Wyatt's guns off he side of a boat in Alaska. People always wonder if it was "That" gun. Wyatt used a Smith and Wesson "American" during the fight.
Thank you from the bottom of a lonely gunslinger's heart. I first saw this movie when I was 16 in my high school US History class and I have loved it ever since. Keep doing what you do best, Nick. I tip my Stetson hat in your honor. 🤠
I'm afraid this comment section ain't big enough for the two of us ;)
What is your favorite western gunslinger?
The User With No Name!
I don't have one favorite western film. I have 6. One film for each bullet in my Colt Peacemaker.
• Tombstone
• Unforgiven
• The Wild Bunch
• Dances with Wolves (thanks, Nick)
• The Man who Shot Liberty Valance
• The Magnificent Seven (1960)
I am not a gunslinger but I am going to throw 'Once Upon a Time in The West' into the ring (and The Big Country and The Good, The Bad and The Ugly).
It is hard to pick a favourite but I just want to give a wee shout out to Pat Garrett and Billy The Kid by Sam Peckinpah, I honestly believe it is Peckinpah' best film and criminally overlooked.
Why do you like this more than the kevin Costner film?
Wyatt earp gets more credit as a law man than he actually deserves. Virgil was the one who actually worked as a law man and took it serious as a profession. Wyatt spent most of his time as a gambler and not as a law man. He only worked as a lawman for less than a year in total prior to moving to tombstone.
The rest of the time, he ran a saloon, ran a brothel with his wife, and worked as an enforcer for corrupt businessmen.
I read somewhere the red sashes were a reference to Bill Hickok, whom wore a red sash around his waist to not only conceal his dual pistols but to hold them in place. Idk how accurate it is but its the reason Kevin Jarre gave for the red sashes in Tombstone in the script. It made for an interesting perspective though.
I remember a story about how Val and Kurt bought each other either cemetery plots or tombstones after the filming was finished.
Val bought Kurt a small plot of land and had a picture taken with Kurt’s chair on it. Kurt bought Val a cemetery plot with Val’s chair on it.
"I know...let's have a spelling contest" lmao
LOL
I watched Tombstone growing up in Puerto Rico. I absolutely LOVE this movie, till this day. One of my faves
"Skin that smoke wagon" *SLAP* "I said go to work son."
I got to serve Sam Elliot some pizza when I worked at Market of Choice in Eugene, Oregon. Nice guy!
I've heard he's a cool dude. I live in Southern Oregon but about 3 hours south of Eugene. Would LOVE to meet Sam. That would be so cool.
Meet the guy who got to serve Sam Elliot some pizza! No way! I heard about you while working at Little Ceasers. You're a legend!
Bass Fishing with the AntiChrist 😂
What did Sam want on his 'Tombstone '?
Just joking, Nate. I would have said to him, "That dog won't hunt, Mejo!"
Personally the best western I have ever seen. Also one of the best movies period for me.
Man did Kilmer nail that role.
Spills51 i agree with it all
agree 100%
I think probably the best role he has ever done.
Why Johnny Ringo looks like someone just walked over your grave
For me, this is far and away the iconic depiction of Doc Holiday.
I've been to Tombstone and another old west town, Bisbee Az. As a boy.
Watch out for all the old mine shafts and such in town.
Boot hill is just as you would imagine it.
I was there back in the sixties and things were still pretty rough looking then.
It was was all there still. The reasons people wound up in boot hill were as varied as one could imagine: one man was killed over the color of his shirt, another from a gas leak in his room.
Life was hard back then.
As sometimes happens in Hollywood, there was another movie about the same thing released at about the same time as Tombstone - Wyatt Earp - starring Kevin Costner in the title role. Tombstone was a much more traditional western. It's look, writing, direction and acting as well as clear heroes and villains make it main stream. It is one of my favorite westerns. One my favorite films too. Costner's film is darker. Much more information on Wyatt. If I like Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday better, it's just a bit better. Costner's Earp is not really a hero. There's not that much distinction between the good and bad guys.
Both of these films are powerful and well done as well as thought provoking. Being a more traditional western, Tombstone is great fun. Just sit back and enjoy. Wyatt Earp is deeper and darker. I usually watch them both back to back.
Yeah Russell you’re correct both very powerful films and the characters are very good and both the stories are slightly different and I like that part about those two movies they highlight different things I think that Dennis Quaid did a marvelous job of doc Holliday but I will always like Val better in the part
Exactly. I love both movies for separate reasons. Tombstone for excitement. Wyatt Earp when I want a marathon epic. Agree on the Doc character as well. Quaid was really really good. He really sold the illness well. In fact- I would bet Quaid was really happy with his performance then saw Val’s version and went “damn it”! if Val didn’t play it? I think people would be talking more on Quaid’s Holliday. He was really good.
Just remember Wyatt Earp wasn't the hero he's been made out to be. I enjoyed the movies but let's face facts he wasn't the fine upstanding individual people think he was. Same with Billy the kid and Jesse James . A lot of liberties being taken.
Fun fact, the reason both those movies released a few months apart with the same essential plots is because they started out as one film. But, Costner had some sort of disagreement with screenwriter Kevin Jarre and the two split. Funnily enough, this is the reason the costuming in Tombstone is so well done and accurate. Because Costner went out and rented every piece of western clothing and gear in Hollywood, the Tombstone production was forced to manufacture their own and hired a group of die hard cowboy re-enactors called the Buckaroos to help with design.
@@HyperLuminal I knew about the costumes. But didn’t know that they were one and the same projects at one time.
The gangster cowboys was so funny
LMAO , what is the name of the gangsta song?
@@bernardocardenas3758 colors by ice t :)
There was actually an earwitness who claimed to have seen Frank Stilwell fleeing, chased by Wyatt, and then heard Frank beg for his life, supposedly turning around, and Wyatt gave him both barrels of his shotgun. Wyatt was a hard measures kinda guy.
They picked a fight with the wrong people. The Earps were notoriously fearless and violent.
@@thatguy22441 oh absolutely, and the Earps had no qualms putting themselves on the wrong side of the law to do what needed to be done.
“I’m your Huckleberry, that’s just my game” as delivered by Val Kilmer is one of the GREATEST lines ever on film! That sync of Tombstone and The Big Lebowski narration worked well, so did that Ice-T song.
"Don't do it Annakin, I have the high ground"...& "You underestimate my powers". #starwars. In the top 10 best lines in Hollywood...
@@MrAdsmith2010cornball
Wyatt Earp certainly wasn’t traveling west to make a name for himself, he was very well known by the time of arriving in Tombstone. He wasn’t quite as famous as he would be after the shootout in Tombstone, but people definitely knew who he was.
He wanted to make a fortune.
This is , in my opinion THE best western I've ever seen. The acting of Russell & Kilmer & hearing Sam Elliot's voice, lol , just put it over the top. While , yes, in some scenes , it IS a bit campy, but in the best possible way. Nothing wrong with a bit of flare, especially for this group! Loved the video..tyvm ^ ^
@buggeroff I can't argue anything against that movie either....another top pick ^ ^
I go back and forth between this one and Eastwood's "The Unforgiven."
This is a very good movie however you must under 50. I you list the best Westerns ever Tombstone drops in between 15 and 20. Take a look at the Dollar trilogy and Once upon a time in the west.
I don't see anything campy. At least not to the point where the scene is not totally believable with the characters.
For instance, going up against Billy Bob Thornton without a gun. Could be camp.
But, when you learn how cool Wyatt was under fire. Guns and gunfire did not faze him,
doing what he did was very consistent, actually. So, no camp there.
My buddy I grew up with loves it so much he named 2 of his grandsons after characters from the movie.
One of my fav. movies. Val Kilmer makes the movie.
Mine too!
Best Doc Holliday In any movie.
I really like this review with the history of this movie. I find it even more better and accurate years as it ages. Thank you for making this episode.
I watched this movie and all I can say is, how the heck was he not even nominated for an oscar? He was awesome!
This movie is special to me being only 32 years old both of my Grandparents were born whenever the real Wyatt Earp was still living.
You go on for a while about the "inaccuracy" of shooting in the theater, but the Bird Cage Theater in Tombstone has quite a few bullet holes in the ceiling. There has to be a kernel of truth in there somewhere.
I think he was talking about the inaccuracy of how everyone reacted not that people never shot guns in there.
@Empty0Set regardless shooting a gun in doors let alone multiple would not be pleasant and would def get a reaction. That would be extremely loud and I'm sure unless they already have hearing damage that they be covering their ears or at the very least flinching. That's why I think it makes no sense that guns be allowed to celebrate indoors. I have no doubt outdoors on a special occasion would be okay but they still wouldn't be allowing open gun fire in town. Tombstone wasnt a backwater town. So the upper class wouldn't take to kindly to rowdy drunks just doing what they wanted all the time. So I think bullet holes in the theater would have been from fights and the occasional drunk man firing off his pistol before he was subdued.
I grew up down the street from Virginia City and yeah they did it shoot up in the air in the theater there's bullet holes and Piper Opera House
Its safe to assume alot of those were put in for dramatic purposes for tourists to give it more of a shock and aw... If you have ever been there alot of the tour guides will tell you similar stuff to that.. Alot of those places have been re-built and refurbished.
I can only imagine that not many shows were put on there during a rain storm, due to the massively leaky ceiling.
I had no idea one of my favorite movies was reasonably historically accurate!
acmund yep
Behan and Wyatt may not have had the stand off then but it did occur. Movies often will juggle the timelines to get events to fit the media format.
For the OK Corral gunfight they even got the little gully running through the area correct.
Video starts: 'Tombstone get's it mostly right.'
Rest of the video: 'Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. That''s sort of cool. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. This is stupid. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
End of video: Pretty accurate!
To be fair, most historical action movies are way worse!
I just had the opportunity to watch the movie and remembered how it was praised here. Also it was recomended and reminded of as well. I was quite dissappointed with the film. This review tells a lot of the backstory and reasoning (politics etc.) but the movie portrays it differently. Withouth the politics and reasons explained here the whole movie feels like men getting angry at each other for nothing but still ready to die or kill for it. Movie was ok but not as great as I expected.
@@TuomioK if it got more backstory in it the movie would be more than 3 hours, and if it got the politics in it the movie would maybe unpopular.
Well that's a problem with Nick. He let's his personal preferences get into the way of his reviews.
There is a chance the Latin conversation could have happened because John Ringo loved to read. Sometimes he would recite poetry and he usually had a book in his pocket so he could have been self taught
Was it In His Own Write? Lol. (Beatles fan..)
Wyatt Erp acted as Technical Advisor on some of the early movies directed by John Ford.
Plus, he gave acting lessons to a 17 year-old extra, who went by the name of Marion Morrison. You may know him today as "John Wayne".
And Tom Mix wept at his funeral.
Thanks for melting my brain you guys.
john Wayne and Wyatt Earp were close friends. wayne patterned his movie persona after Earp.
Agree with this review 100% as a man of the Millennial generation where the majority of our action films involve superheroes or space adventures it was good to have a good ol' Western for once and now it is a certified classic.
One lovely bit of trivia that always makes me smile is that - early in the start of his career, a young John Wayne had the chance to meet with and know the real Wyatt. And some say that influenced his western persona and endearment for hi future character in his movie roles… two great legends!
I've been to Tombstone a couple of times. Let's just say that the movie makes the inside of the buildings a lot roomier than they actually are, especially the theater which is quite small.
Tombstone has and will always be one of my favorite movies of all time . The amazing interactions and how close it is to actually events has left me with a great taste in my mouth. Even the fabricated ones like the Latin insult off of rJohnny Rngo and Doc Holiday Has to be up there with my 3 favorite scenes Another one is the Huckleberry scenes. The to of those just tickle me.
Jesus the enitire movie is actually totally inacurate and as been adapted for the audience my friend . Wyatt wasn,t even the heroe that history had made him and at the end of his life Doc Holliday had totally disconnected himself from Wyatt for his dishonesty and lack of morals
@@guytremblay1647 "Stand there and bleed" scene actually happened. That's enough for me.
I’m your huckleberry is still a bumper sticker on cars to this day……that’s staying power and proof of Kilmers job in that role
Doc Holliday: In Vino Veritas.
[In wine is truth. "When I'm drinking, I speak my mind."]
Johnny Ringo: Age Quod Agis.
[Do what you do. "Do what you do best."]
Doc Holliday: Credat Judaeus Apella, Non Ego. [The Jew Apella may believe it, not I. or "Oh I don't believe drinking is what I do best."]
Johnny Ringo: Eventus Stultorum Magister.
[Events are the teachers of fools. "Fools have to learn by experience."]
Doc Holliday: In Pace Requiescat.
[Rest in peace "It's your funeral!"]
TheKnives777 thanks for the translation I always wondered what they said.
That's some pretty cool dialogue!
"Oh, that's Latin, darlin'. It would appear that Mr. Johnny Ringo, here, is an educated man. Now, I REALLY hate him!"
Wyatt I am Rolling
"Southern Arizona was dangerous " Some things never change.
Was in Tombstone in August, 2007 and watched the reenactment ( I think they do it daily at about 1700 PST - the approximate time it took place originally ). I had a steak dinner in the saloon, got my photo taken with the Doc Holliday actor. Yes I fan-geeked and loved it
Le3gend has it that John Wayne modelled his western style drawl and swagger from Earp, who advised a few very early movies where Wayne was an assistant, working on the crew.
That is true, John Wayne admitted it.
No waaay did Wyatt Earp walk bandy ass like Marion Morrison!
@@jordansmith1897 Earp was about 76 when John Wayne started in Hollywood. I can totally see that his walk was based on a 76 year old broken down arthritic man
@@patginty
Excellent point.
Actually Wayne took.much of the mannerisms from early cowboy actor Harry Carrey Sr - watch their walks & it's obvious
Tombstone is my favorite of all the westerns whether it's technically the best or not. The cast, acting, dialog and pacing are perfect. Funny you pointed out Wyatts "noooo" moment as it's the only thing I'd change. It's cringe worthy and I wish it wasn't there but it doesn't ruin a great film. I visited Tombstone a week ago and it was a fantastic experience as I've been following the story and films for years. Standing where they stood and envisioning these events made it come alive. I highly recommend going there for anyone interested.
Trucker_Pete I’d have to disagree with him about Doc easily beating Ringo I mean if you watch them draw Ringo does get his gun leveled so I’d say it was a good contest
The laugh was amazing wtf you talking about?
"In your hatred it seems you have killed her."
"NoooOOOooooOOOooooOOOoooo"
That was pretty funny
Like if you agree that Doc whistling on the way to the gunfight is one of the best scenes in this movie.
Just wanted to say thanks Nick. Thanks for helping us get though this pandemic. I especially love the last part of your Dances with Wolves video. Good on you, cheers.
this is in the top 5 all time of my favorite movies. the cast was incredible, the costuming was fantastic, and the story is LEGEND. i cant find a single thing i dislike about the film! and to top it off, kurt russell in this film reminds me of my dad in his younger years
You might have also mentioned something that is in the movie, in the epilogue - Wyatt Earp actually lived long enough to meet some of the early cowboy stars of silent movies such as Tom Mix, who treated him as the legend he had by then become. In fact, the last line in the movie is, "Tom Mix wept" - at Earp's funeral.
To me Val Kilmer will always be Doc Holiday. One brilliant performance of Val Kilmer.
Curly Bill didn't have a misfire when he killed the deputy Marshall in the movie. He held the gun upside down by the handle and pulled the triggers with his pinkies and shot the deputy Marshall in his chest cavity
the highwayman's spin;
it's why lawbreakers are instructed to 'throw down their weapons'
rather than hand them over
In reality Fred White was shot in the groin & died a few days later. While Wyatt Earp did arrest Curly Bill & took him to Tucson for trial. It's also true that Wyatt testified that the shooting was an accident which helped to get Curly Bill acquitted.
Loved this video, huge fan of all history. But a quick call out, the Birdcage theater ceiling is riddled with gunshot holes. Mayb sometimes the patrons did get a bit cavalier firing their guns inside.
According to the book, JOHN RINGO: THE GUNFIGHTER WHO NEVER WAS, the idea of Ringo being an educated man is based on the fact that he was known to carry books in his saddlebags. Making him an intellectual and a foil for Doc Holliday certainly makes him a more interesting and colorful character in the movie.
Ringo's death has remained a mystery partly because there are sloppy ambiguities in the official report. He was found sitting under a clustered group of trees, shot in the head, with a pistol in his hand. His pistol had one empty chamber, but the report isn't clear if this means the chamber was completely empty, or if there was a fired cartridge in it. It was very common at the time to carry your sixgun with only five shots in it, keeping an empty chamber under the hammer for safety- those old single-action revolvers were somewhat unsafe because the hammer spur rested directly on the cartridge and a hard bump or knock could set it off.
If it was a completely empty chamber, then Ringo clearly didn't shoot himself. The report also didn't discuss whether he had been shot at close range, as he would be if he committed suicide, or had been shot from a distance. Another odd detail is that Ringo's gunbelt was buckled on updide down. The hammer of his pistol was somehow hooked or tangled in his watch chain, another curious detail that the report was unclear about.
Another strange thing is that Ringo didn't have his boots on. If I remember, his boots were with his horse some distance away and his feet were wrapped in cloth.
That kind of sounds like a Missing 411 report!
The spur of a pistol hammer is at the rear, not anywhere near the cartridges. It's the hammer - mounted firing pin that makes these early revolvers dangerous to carry with all 6 bores loaded, not the spur.
He was just too high strung.
pixelpanache Yep I own a single action where the hammer actually strikes the primer too and that's how I carry mine. Load one, skip one, load the rest, cock it fully back then it rests on an empty chamber so I've wondered about that too. Obviously, they didn't really care too much that he was dead or how he died seems like, obviously.
Wyatt Earp was a liar, and he and his brothers ran gambling dens and whorehouses, while being lawmen.
Even the stagecoach job, was thought to have been the Earps by some. They were not beloved, just feared, and Wyatt outlived them all to tell his own stories.
Val Kilmer alone is worth watching this movie. It's a fantastic film one of the best of the 1990s and most underrated for sure
I now live in Arizona, and have visited Tombstone. My dog's name is Wyatt. Thank you for this.
What an excellent balanced presentation; thank you!