Personally I cannot appreciate enough how much my gameplay improved when switching to arcade stick. I understand why people found it difficult. But it was the deciding factor for me to commit myself to Tekken, I felt just so awkward and clunky on a controller.
Of course it all comes down to personal taste, and my taste happened to align with the arcade sticks. I was struggling with pad for months, but once I had a week under my belt with the stick, I felt a noticable improvement.
@@YaGirlGumption yeah, I play on both and don't notice a difference except when I'm playing a certain character but the more I see everyone talk about it, the more I realize that it's just personal everyone struggles in something different like you could struggle on something and I could be a master on it but at the same time there could be something that I can't do but you can do it with no problems.
I was struggling playing Tekken 7 with controller and I just wasn't having fun. It felt super clunky. When I got my hands on an arcade stick, it felt loads better. Controlling movement with my entire hand instead of just my thumb, having easy access to all buttons with every finger instead of just my thumb and index fingers really makes a big difference. Regardless, use what works for you.
Ikr. Gotta explain to people when playing on the couch.. I'm a different playr, any other time. They wouldn't even get a round when I can move and electric properly. Can only do the odd one, cos I learned on that, not pad
im glad to hear im not the only one having a hard time learning p1. i my picked up my first stick with a taeyoung fanta lever a week ago switching from pad and i started learning on p1 and man it was so hard to wavu or ewgf at first, especially dewgfs, but now im really getting the hang of it and sometimes when i go p2 im surprised how fast and easy my wavu is compared to p1 even tho im mostly learning on p1.
I couldn´t agree more, I have kind of an injury (permanent) on my thumb so stick was the only option... and when I changed to it everything was much more difficult, but it´s stick or giving up.
I don't want to ditch my stick, not only because h/mboxes are frowned upon, but it does feel rewarding to know your sticks 'sweet spots' for corners and sides. And then when things click you can sting moves, get comfortable and confident in your movement in junction with adapting to a new peripheral.
I used all except mix box. Don’t ever let someone be the reason you don’t enjoy the game. Lol fuck being frowned upon use what you like and forget about the talk. I’m glad you’re loving arcade stick I love it too I just wanted to give hitbox a try.( it’s fun too so far tbh.
main advantage of arcade stick is its durability. I have to repair dpad or swap controller every couple months because tekken is devastating to dualshock. Tried stick and its too much effort to relearn and adjust. Arcade stick made me realize i can be good with pad and don't need special accessory.
i'm not really ashamed to say that i never really mastered or at least am good with the arcade stick, i've always been a keyboard kind of guy which is why i bought a mixbox instead of an arcade stick
I'm almost one year on switching from pad to stick, and what I can share is, although it is true that stick is the hardest controller in Tekken (RIP me if I got P2 side), it drastically changed my whole gameplay. My movement become much more swift, though I admit I still need to fix some things regarding movement, punishment become much cleaner, and sometimes I could react better. Downside for me is, sometime I lose precision, even on P1 side. That's why I mentioned that I needed fix. But overall, the switch is so worth it that I did not even play Tekken on a pad again.
All you need are some long sessions with friends who are strong players. That's what I normally do to improve. Though I've never had an arcade stick. Only wave dash I can do is Lars's on Dpad lol
I had a chuckle at the thumbnail. That stick with the red buttons and balltop is the model I just bought a week ago to replace my 10 year old SF4 Mad Catz stick
Started off Tekken with a JLF stick and liked it for a bit. Then I moved over to Korean (Crown 309) and stuck with that for a year. Eventually I stopped playing Tekken and got hooked up with a Hitbox. It takes no time to learn KBD, execution is easy, and imo better for your wrists. I still feel as if my KBD/ewgfs are still smoother with stick, since I've been using a stick longer, but in general hitbox is so easy to pick up. Highly recommend it
@@drabnail777 not cheating, allowed for tournament look superakouma. Just much easier learning curve and arguably the most ergonomic controller for fighting games.
Idk, kbd on 2P side aint really that easy, neither is wave dashing. I play on hitbox, too, and I really really like it, but some ppl treat it like you can instantly do every hard execution with total consistancy and no effort. Thats just not true.
Tekken was definitely made to be played and enjoyed with a stick, that's the fun of it. The rest is to find the best option for your comfort when playing. If you are looking for more precision in the execution, mix/hit box is a good option, even a game-pad. As a developer who spends all day writing code on the keyboard and doing other tasks with it, jumping into a game using a keyboard takes all the fun out of the gaming experience. I used to pick a Sanwa lever, but I didn't like to use the ball top. In the arcade centers of my country I used to use a lever with a bat top. So I bought a Korean bat top lever and never used a Sanwa one again. If I couldn't use a bat top lever later on, I'd switch to a hitbox, but the experience wouldn't be the same.
I agree that stick is the hardest controller. I'm having the roughest transition from pad to stick (currently been learning for a year and some months) and I'm a street fighter player.
For the sidestepping problem...just go back to T4 style where crouch = db. Sidewalking was easier in general too - just hold up or down, no double tapping needed. T4 had lots of problems but I think they should go back to that stuff.
First time I touched a stick was when I was 25. It felt super awkward at first but I’m glad i chose to play stick. It’s just way more FUN with a stick than it is with a pad.
I tried fighting games at least 4 / 5 separate times across multiple games. It wasn’t until I was really enjoying strive that I bit the bullet and got an arcade stick. Everything clicked better. Now trying tekken and it’s fucking great fun. Yes it’s personal taste but unfortunately it’s an expensive experiment and commitment to get a controller for a handful of games to see if it fits. I’d gladly go to arcades but none really in Scotland unless someone comments and points the direction?
i can't get the same speed with pad that i get with stick, also on pad when doing electrics, i get misinputs a lot more. from teh F* to down input, because of the design of the pad if you hit the edge of the Down section of the pad, you get the DF input even though u hit the Down section. I get the exact input i want on stick.
@@ShadowMoses21 i just can't wavu or KBD with controller, also, there's a 50% chance i'll have a misinput for electrics or just frames. I hit those 99% of the time with the stick. I also changed teh spring from the stock 2lb to a 1.5lb spring, so i barely use my fingertips to input directions. I also changed the restrictor gate to a circular gate cus that's what the arcades in my town had. The stick rewards deliberate precision inputs with ergonomics for faster inputs. I cant say the same for the pad. Mind you, i can play SF or MK just fine with a pad.
Learning stick and getting comfortable on it probably took me close to 6 months lol but it was worth it. Altough if you just want to win probably go for hitbox.
I haven't faced that problem I got the hang of it in like 2 weeks I think it's maybe because I had mastered the inputs on Pad before using a Stick and some of you might have thought that Arcade sticks are easier so you ditched the Pad before learning it or Mastering it and I think it's cause when I was little I had a PS2 and Xbox 360 in Pakistan was very expensive so we had to go to Arcades to play the newer games which at the time were T6 and TTT2 and when I got an Xbox 360 in 2016 I had to play T7 at Arcades because a PS4 at that time was too expensive😆
I dont agree with this personally, they all have their ups and downs, it really depends on what you are doing and about personal preference. I play stick, hitbox and pad and I really don't feel like one is harder than the other, just depends on the situation and character
The experience is different on arcade sticks. Add to that if you wanna go to arcade shops everywhere its the universal use direction control. D pads or hitbox just doesnt make it feel right since I grow up on arcade sticks playing other games.
How is it to play arcade stick from a sofa on big TV? It is comfortable? Its all compatible with ps5? Distance from TV and controller is 2.5-3m, it's that a poblem? By the way wavedashing on pad is hard as well from P2, at least for me, that movement is just finger breaking and uncomfortable finger. Finger size gives poblem as well. If I input a clutch low parry (df) a lot of time d,df will come out which is very annoying with qcf characters if I want to low parry Paul's ff2 and snake edge, also if I input d,df,n a for some reason qcf will come even if I never touched f on its on. By the way that's all on ps5 standard controller, I bought a new controller just to try if it that specific controller's poblem, still same poblems. On ps4 controller I don't have these poblems Also there is something with the skin of the finger, I can consistenly do electrics, qcf etc. on P1 but some time its feels like sticky and clunky with the finger and I can do these anymore. Do someone else have these poblem with ps5 controller?
The PS5 D-Pad is horrible for FGs you should try the PS4 one cause it's the most comfortable ,it's also compatible with a PS5 and you should also try to practice a lot more like going into practice mode.
@@ScrambledEggAbdullah Yes, I can play on Ps4 pad as well, but what if T8 will came out on Ps5 but not Ps4? Sony force to play with ps5 pad if the game is next-gen only for some.
@@ScrambledEggAbdullah You are sure? When I tried to play with a ps4 pad Deathloop which is a next-gen game only, it didn't work, with Tekken 8 will probably happen the same thing unless Tekken 8 will come out on PS4 as well which I think will not happen.
@@Demon_Aura I'm pretty sure T8 will be on PS4 because most people don't have a PS5 and the Developers want to make money but click this link to see how to connect PS4 controller with PS5. th-cam.com/video/tUZwCtI7Q2E/w-d-xo.html
Got the arcade stick for 3 days and am so f surprised how much progress I have made, having the arc stick, I can do wavedash 3-4, my question is when u go for df do u just tap it or go gully into the angle, please can any1 reply to me
After not playing the game since Tekken 3 I fell in love with Tekken 7 last november when I got a copy on sale. I started playing on pad then went to stick pretty fast and have now settled on mixbox, but after months of trying to learn KBD I still can't do it, I'm so close, but still not quite there. I'm no fighting gaming noob, been playing fighting games since SF2 came out in 93'. It's very discouraging trying to learn this and not gonna lie I'm really hoping that n Tekken 8 they just allow a back dash to be canceled into a back dash. I can't imagine how hard it would be to learn KBD if you were new to fighting games.
New KBD'er here.. and gotta say it's fkin BS , and I play Bryan who apparently is one of 2 characters that doesn't have a normal input for it.. it's annoying and I've been trying 2 days straight now
F4 it meant to be a pressure move, that's why you can't just sidestep everytime, but yeah they should fix this. Moves that are + on block and force crouch should block all sidesteps. Moves that are - on block and force crouch shouldn't block sidesteps.
What are you saying? To me it sounds like you are saying if you block a plus on block move that forces crouch the game should make it so you can't sidestep to any side? That sounds broken af. Since sidestepping is such a powerful option to beat the uninterruptible options. Instead of just blocking them.
@@CosmicVoid420 It's already Broken then in on one side, as TMM said there are unfair fight for those that play in a specific side. So why not make it fair and equal and so block both sidestep?
My movement is better on the right side, but I'm most comfortable playing on 1P side. I play stick with a battop, but with experience with pad and keyboard, their a little easier. Playing SF2 got me use to stick.
Took 8 months to learn stick for me, my p1 is is amazing but on stick I still can’t do a dash in or running df on p2 without getting a cd input lol. If I wanna run in and end a kaz combo with df1 4 I get cd1 sometimes running into neutral helps. So many of these little things to work out with both sides with stick and don’t get me started with qcf and qcb
to do dash in/running df2 just go from forward to down forward without a neutral input. Slide from forward directly into down without letting the stick rest by riding the gate
Have you tired command killing it? Just search "command kill" if you're unaware of the technique, you can find videos on it. Not sure if it's possible in this situation, but worth looking into.
You cant side step left from certain things on p2 side meaning cant avoid some things as you can only side step up on both sides in these specific situations it means the p2 side cant avoid it
I just got an arcade stick. it's difficult to adjust but better for my wrist... Even with good mechanical keyboard my wrist hurts like freaking hell after two matches... First few I'm playing ok... like 15-th in a row I'm getting slower and slower with keyboard because of the pain...
@@aquilescastro1335 yeah but beeing worse doesnt mean you cant figure out how to work. They are people use all type of ways to use a grip, just look at some grip tetris profissionals players use.They cross a leg to make a base then sheck her to make more motion on the pad.
for me if you wanna play a mishima character with a korean playstyle an arcade stick is a must, you can play a mishima but with a different play style (like using DJ up4) you can use a pad.
As soon as I saw the title I said "here we go with this bullshit again" lol, there is no hardest controller, what is harder for some may be easier for others so there will always be arguments
People that play pad. Do you play claw or with your thumb? It's actually very easy to play very well on pad with a claw grip. I've been playing claw forever and am currently raijin.
For me it's so much easier/accurate to get the inputs I want with the pinky wrapped around the stick as if its a wine glass. If you pay attention to Japanese fighting game player's you'll know what I'm talking about. Some use their ring or middle finger. That comes with preference. A Korean stick on the other hand you're not able to pull that off given the dick like shape.
@@drabnail777 harder for sure. It's different ofc but you must take into account that an arcade stick has distance to travel when making a motion input before reaching the point of input, while pad is almost instant. Kbd on stick is much more work than kbd on pad.
@@loto7197 I cant do just frames, wavu or kbd for my life on pad, being able to use multiple fingers for directional inputs just seemed easier. The second i swapped to stick, it was natural for me to play at the top of my game. Maybe it's because i play guitar and using multiple fingers across a fretboard is a natural hand movement for me. With pad my thumb tires out quickly, also let's say during an electric, when i hit the down section of the Dualshck, if i go slightly to the edge of the down section, i get a DF input. this messes up my play. i just can't move my thumb alone quickly enough to reliably get lectrix. I get the exact input i want much more quickly and precisely with the stick. Also the action buttons on the right side u have to claw the pad. It wasnt the way the pad was meant to be held and feels awkward to do it. I can never play bryan on a pad. The button layout on the stick is easier for me. Also, a question for you, does a pad buffer a back input when releasing the DB input for KBD? how do u KBD with backsway characters?
@@coutiya2007 it's just about practice, you'd get good at pad if you tried for long enough. I don't play any backsway characters but I do the proper kbd, I learned from Anakin. Not sure about playing claw, I don't play claw on either side, I use thumbs only unless I'm inputting something like b+2+3 for example
The problem is in gaming that it went from just playing and having, while some were trying to get good, to the point where most players will be extremely sweaty and try to gain every miniscule imagined advantage and spreadsheets and peer-reviewed studies on fucking everything...
when you know to use it its one of the most easy controller, for exemplle you can master pad and just never do PEGWF constantly because the support is so fucked up!
Personally I cannot appreciate enough how much my gameplay improved when switching to arcade stick. I understand why people found it difficult. But it was the deciding factor for me to commit myself to Tekken, I felt just so awkward and clunky on a controller.
Of course it all comes down to personal taste, and my taste happened to align with the arcade sticks. I was struggling with pad for months, but once I had a week under my belt with the stick, I felt a noticable improvement.
@@YaGirlGumption yeah, I play on both and don't notice a difference except when I'm playing a certain character but the more I see everyone talk about it, the more I realize that it's just personal everyone struggles in something different like you could struggle on something and I could be a master on it but at the same time there could be something that I can't do but you can do it with no problems.
I'm literally the opposite. I play everything on stick except for Tekken. My movement is insanely crisp on controller in comparison
The ultimate controller is a good keyboard. Either that or the arcade stick with no stick and a wasd in its place.
My thumb can't do all the work.
I was struggling playing Tekken 7 with controller and I just wasn't having fun. It felt super clunky. When I got my hands on an arcade stick, it felt loads better. Controlling movement with my entire hand instead of just my thumb, having easy access to all buttons with every finger instead of just my thumb and index fingers really makes a big difference. Regardless, use what works for you.
Ikr. Gotta explain to people when playing on the couch.. I'm a different playr, any other time. They wouldn't even get a round when I can move and electric properly. Can only do the odd one, cos I learned on that, not pad
I love that tmm takes the time for a demonstration and explanation.
Stick isnt for me but i hear the struggle through my friends
Wow that whole segment about the player 1 & 2 side was something I did not know. Very useful & informative. Thnx Mainman 👍
im glad to hear im not the only one having a hard time learning p1. i my picked up my first stick with a taeyoung fanta lever a week ago switching from pad and i started learning on p1 and man it was so hard to wavu or ewgf at first, especially dewgfs, but now im really getting the hang of it and sometimes when i go p2 im surprised how fast and easy my wavu is compared to p1 even tho im mostly learning on p1.
I couldn´t agree more, I have kind of an injury (permanent) on my thumb so stick was the only option... and when I changed to it everything was much more difficult, but it´s stick or giving up.
I don't want to ditch my stick, not only because h/mboxes are frowned upon, but it does feel rewarding to know your sticks 'sweet spots' for corners and sides. And then when things click you can sting moves, get comfortable and confident in your movement in junction with adapting to a new peripheral.
I used all except mix box. Don’t ever let someone be the reason you don’t enjoy the game. Lol fuck being frowned upon use what you like and forget about the talk. I’m glad you’re loving arcade stick I love it too I just wanted to give hitbox a try.( it’s fun too so far tbh.
im glad that i have a really good movement and execution from both sides. thanks mainman you were a really great help with tutorials and handcams
Feels good to be perfect doesn't it
@@narwhalgamingvariety idk i am not
Fight stick came naturally to me. Coming from pad it helped me break so many bad habits.
so interesting, learning as much as I can every time I watch this channel
main advantage of arcade stick is its durability. I have to repair dpad or swap controller every couple months because tekken is devastating to dualshock. Tried stick and its too much effort to relearn and adjust. Arcade stick made me realize i can be good with pad and don't need special accessory.
Yeah. If any of the microswitches on my sanwa give out, button or lever? I can order a bag of fifty microswitches for like ten bucks.
i'm not really ashamed to say that i never really mastered or at least am good with the arcade stick, i've always been a keyboard kind of guy which is why i bought a mixbox instead of an arcade stick
I'm almost one year on switching from pad to stick, and what I can share is, although it is true that stick is the hardest controller in Tekken (RIP me if I got P2 side), it drastically changed my whole gameplay. My movement become much more swift, though I admit I still need to fix some things regarding movement, punishment become much cleaner, and sometimes I could react better. Downside for me is, sometime I lose precision, even on P1 side. That's why I mentioned that I needed fix. But overall, the switch is so worth it that I did not even play Tekken on a pad again.
All you need are some long sessions with friends who are strong players. That's what I normally do to improve. Though I've never had an arcade stick. Only wave dash I can do is Lars's on Dpad lol
I had a chuckle at the thumbnail. That stick with the red buttons and balltop is the model I just bought a week ago to replace my 10 year old SF4 Mad Catz stick
The Mayflash is great, super moddable.
ordered my qanba pearl yesterday, cant wait! im curious to see how the transition from pad will go
I find it's slightly easier if you hold it 'cherry style', alternatively use a bat top
I'll usually just stroke my arcade stick.
Couple of hours ago i watched the mixbox comparison to the pad, keyboard and the arcade stick NO ICE🔥
It's like a famous magician revealed his biggest magic trick. Amazing Tutorial! 👍
The "What!?" at 6:44 sounds like the skeletor meme
Oh you are the "He scrub me out" guy from the Strings song
Started off Tekken with a JLF stick and liked it for a bit. Then I moved over to Korean (Crown 309) and stuck with that for a year. Eventually I stopped playing Tekken and got hooked up with a Hitbox. It takes no time to learn KBD, execution is easy, and imo better for your wrists. I still feel as if my KBD/ewgfs are still smoother with stick, since I've been using a stick longer, but in general hitbox is so easy to pick up. Highly recommend it
Pretty sure Hitboxes were cheating
@@drabnail777 not cheating, allowed for tournament look superakouma. Just much easier learning curve and arguably the most ergonomic controller for fighting games.
@@soukio2175 its the same controller that TMM did a video on? "So cheating is allowed is FCG" i think it was called.
Idk, kbd on 2P side aint really that easy, neither is wave dashing. I play on hitbox, too, and I really really like it, but some ppl treat it like you can instantly do every hard execution with total consistancy and no effort. Thats just not true.
@@Zakillah no not no effort but less effort than stick unless you are unnaturally gifted
Tekken was definitely made to be played and enjoyed with a stick, that's the fun of it. The rest is to find the best option for your comfort when playing. If you are looking for more precision in the execution, mix/hit box is a good option, even a game-pad. As a developer who spends all day writing code on the keyboard and doing other tasks with it, jumping into a game using a keyboard takes all the fun out of the gaming experience. I used to pick a Sanwa lever, but I didn't like to use the ball top. In the arcade centers of my country I used to use a lever with a bat top. So I bought a Korean bat top lever and never used a Sanwa one again. If I couldn't use a bat top lever later on, I'd switch to a hitbox, but the experience wouldn't be the same.
What arcade stick does Mainsweswe uses?
just got my first arcade stick today, it feels much better on sfv but tekken is really difficult especially movement
I agree that stick is the hardest controller. I'm having the roughest transition from pad to stick (currently been learning for a year and some months) and I'm a street fighter player.
Keep up the grind. It took me more than a month to get back to where I was skill-wise on stick. You'll get there
For the sidestepping problem...just go back to T4 style where crouch = db. Sidewalking was easier in general too - just hold up or down, no double tapping needed. T4 had lots of problems but I think they should go back to that stuff.
Not sure if forced crouch moves would still allow sidewalking to the foreground in t4 tho I could be wrong
First time I touched a stick was when I was 25. It felt super awkward at first but I’m glad i chose to play stick. It’s just way more FUN with a stick than it is with a pad.
Tekken and Quake2 soundtrack. Amazing combo.
I tried fighting games at least 4 / 5 separate times across multiple games. It wasn’t until I was really enjoying strive that I bit the bullet and got an arcade stick. Everything clicked better. Now trying tekken and it’s fucking great fun. Yes it’s personal taste but unfortunately it’s an expensive experiment and commitment to get a controller for a handful of games to see if it fits. I’d gladly go to arcades but none really in Scotland unless someone comments and points the direction?
Didn't start using arcade stick till I was 27, but i'm glad I did. Personally it's the most engaging experience for Tekken
i can't get the same speed with pad that i get with stick, also on pad when doing electrics, i get misinputs a lot more. from teh F* to down input, because of the design of the pad if you hit the edge of the Down section of the pad, you get the DF input even though u hit the Down section. I get the exact input i want on stick.
I suffer from this on controllers. From facing left; the controller input for a wavu jams up on me once I attempt to repeat in quick succession.
@@ShadowMoses21 if i hadnt bought a stick, i'd have dumped t7 after a month
@@ShadowMoses21 i just can't wavu or KBD with controller, also, there's a 50% chance i'll have a misinput for electrics or just frames. I hit those 99% of the time with the stick. I also changed teh spring from the stock 2lb to a 1.5lb spring, so i barely use my fingertips to input directions. I also changed the restrictor gate to a circular gate cus that's what the arcades in my town had. The stick rewards deliberate precision inputs with ergonomics for faster inputs. I cant say the same for the pad. Mind you, i can play SF or MK just fine with a pad.
damn nostalgia i forgot how hard the quake 2 soundtrack was
Wouldn’t you agree that you should practice with arm movements instead of wrist movements for better muscle memory?
watch TMM use all his neck and shoulder muscles to EWGF at 4:57. he really gets into it.
Learning stick and getting comfortable on it probably took me close to 6 months lol but it was worth it. Altough if you just want to win probably go for hitbox.
Pues yo solo me tarde 1 semana y media
Same took me forever to get the hang of it, but when it clicked....
Kbd like a fucking mad man
I haven't faced that problem I got the hang of it in like 2 weeks I think it's maybe because I had mastered the inputs on Pad before using a Stick and some of you might have thought that Arcade sticks are easier so you ditched the Pad before learning it or Mastering it and I think it's cause when I was little I had a PS2 and Xbox 360 in Pakistan was very expensive so we had to go to Arcades to play the newer games which at the time were T6 and TTT2 and when I got an Xbox 360 in 2016 I had to play T7 at Arcades because a PS4 at that time was too expensive😆
really 6 months? took me about a month to match my level with pad
@@luciano4201 ik right?
great content mainman;)
i play tekken with arcade stick when i was 13 thats why its comfortable for me
already know my mans has MAJOR finger banging skills
I dont agree with this personally, they all have their ups and downs, it really depends on what you are doing and about personal preference. I play stick, hitbox and pad and I really don't feel like one is harder than the other, just depends on the situation and character
How dare you. As a Mishima player everything you do must be the hardest and complain the hardest, at the same time getting turned on by the pain
@@drabnail777 as a mishima player I couldn't agree more with this statement lol
Ha if is not hard then everyone can be tekken god
@@EscapeSoul100 what are you talking about lol?
@@EscapeSoul100 mbox is not that hard, or hbox without SOCD
How much time you need to feel confident ?
how long it took you to learn kbd? I am still learning for the past few days and still not good at it. Not even average.
The experience is different on arcade sticks. Add to that if you wanna go to arcade shops everywhere its the universal use direction control. D pads or hitbox just doesnt make it feel right since I grow up on arcade sticks playing other games.
1:50 was that quake 2 ost Descent Into Cerberon ?
Yes
I got one for my Birthday in February and sort of boot camped myself until I was able to do 100 hadoukens in street fighter
That's awesome, it's the best way to learn just go into practice mode and try to do what you find difficult.
Yea that's the way to go
Once you learn how to use stick it is WAY EASIER than a regular ps4 controller . So no it is not the hardest to use . The DualShock is
I agree with u I use the dualshock and it's hard to do wavedash bruh
From when i got stick i stuck with player 1. But on player 2 i get accidental crouch dashes when i just want to run up and df1 or whatever
“I’m doing this with my tip it’s so fast you can’t see it” same bro same… 😔
Arcade stick is like driving a manual car.
How is it to play arcade stick from a sofa on big TV? It is comfortable? Its all compatible with ps5? Distance from TV and controller is 2.5-3m, it's that a poblem?
By the way wavedashing on pad is hard as well from P2, at least for me, that movement is just finger breaking and uncomfortable finger. Finger size gives poblem as well.
If I input a clutch low parry (df) a lot of time d,df will come out which is very annoying with qcf characters if I want to low parry Paul's ff2 and snake edge, also if I input d,df,n a for some reason qcf will come even if I never touched f on its on.
By the way that's all on ps5 standard controller, I bought a new controller just to try if it that specific controller's poblem, still same poblems.
On ps4 controller I don't have these poblems
Also there is something with the skin of the finger, I can consistenly do electrics, qcf etc. on P1 but some time its feels like sticky and clunky with the finger and I can do these anymore.
Do someone else have these poblem with ps5 controller?
The PS5 D-Pad is horrible for FGs you should try the PS4 one cause it's the most comfortable ,it's also compatible with a PS5 and you should also try to practice a lot more like going into practice mode.
@@ScrambledEggAbdullah Yes, I can play on Ps4 pad as well, but what if T8 will came out on Ps5 but not Ps4? Sony force to play with ps5 pad if the game is next-gen only for some.
@@Demon_Aura No PS4 controller is compatible with PS5 you can search it on YT "how to connect PS4 controller with PS5"
@@ScrambledEggAbdullah You are sure? When I tried to play with a ps4 pad Deathloop which is a next-gen game only, it didn't work, with Tekken 8 will probably happen the same thing unless Tekken 8 will come out on PS4 as well which I think will not happen.
@@Demon_Aura I'm pretty sure T8 will be on PS4 because most people don't have a PS5 and the Developers want to make money but click this link to see how to connect PS4 controller with PS5.
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first time i ever played tekken was on stick took me along time to learn it but when i did i couldn't play on pad anymore
sounds to me Tekken 8 should fix that design flaw
but... you can step to the left on the hitbox since you can use your right hand on the up button and really fast do u,d
try wave dashing with a controller stick
Got the arcade stick for 3 days and am so f surprised how much progress I have made, having the arc stick, I can do wavedash 3-4, my question is when u go for df do u just tap it or go gully into the angle, please can any1 reply to me
Came for the title, stayed for Quake 2 OST
Is keyboard harder than arcade stick? Im trying to learn to play on a keyboard and its also tough
Took me 1 week to learn the proper kbd with pad and 2 months to do wavedash and kbd with arcade stick
Could always keybind down to a button?
Stick is a blast. My favorite controller for fg's.
bieng a pakistani we played on arcade sticks from our childhood and when i switched to sual shock i feel so lost. i coulden even do basic combos on it
Dang, i use a victrix leverless, and was thinking of an arcade stick
What fight stick does he use
Watching this made me buy a fightstick and helped improve my gempley 😅
After not playing the game since Tekken 3 I fell in love with Tekken 7 last november when I got a copy on sale. I started playing on pad then went to stick pretty fast and have now settled on mixbox, but after months of trying to learn KBD I still can't do it, I'm so close, but still not quite there. I'm no fighting gaming noob, been playing fighting games since SF2 came out in 93'. It's very discouraging trying to learn this and not gonna lie I'm really hoping that n Tekken 8 they just allow a back dash to be canceled into a back dash. I can't imagine how hard it would be to learn KBD if you were new to fighting games.
New KBD'er here.. and gotta say it's fkin BS , and I play Bryan who apparently is one of 2 characters that doesn't have a normal input for it.. it's annoying and I've been trying 2 days straight now
F4 it meant to be a pressure move, that's why you can't just sidestep everytime, but yeah they should fix this.
Moves that are + on block and force crouch should block all sidesteps.
Moves that are - on block and force crouch shouldn't block sidesteps.
what does it mean to block a sidestep? I don't understand what you are saying
@@bilbobaggins7075 It means you can't sidestep
What are you saying?
To me it sounds like you are saying if you block a plus on block move that forces crouch the game should make it so you can't sidestep to any side?
That sounds broken af.
Since sidestepping is such a powerful option to beat the uninterruptible options.
Instead of just blocking them.
@@CosmicVoid420 It's already Broken then in on one side, as TMM said there are unfair fight for those that play in a specific side. So why not make it fair and equal and so block both sidestep?
My movement is better on the right side, but I'm most comfortable playing on 1P side. I play stick with a battop, but with experience with pad and keyboard, their a little easier. Playing SF2 got me use to stick.
I think battop for me I love stick it's fun
Took 8 months to learn stick for me, my p1 is is amazing but on stick I still can’t do a dash in or running df on p2 without getting a cd input lol. If I wanna run in and end a kaz combo with df1 4 I get cd1 sometimes running into neutral helps. So many of these little things to work out with both sides with stick and don’t get me started with qcf and qcb
to do dash in/running df2 just go from forward to down forward without a neutral input. Slide from forward directly into down without letting the stick rest by riding the gate
@@ShiningSta18486 ok cheers, I’ll give that a go
@@ShiningSta18486 Yep, this is how I do run in df moves, don't input neutral.
Have you tired command killing it? Just search "command kill" if you're unaware of the technique, you can find videos on it. Not sure if it's possible in this situation, but worth looking into.
@@bobhoskins-kl6ue im not sure if it would
What is the game design flaw of Mishima mirror matches for P1 side? That wasn't explained.
You cant side step left from certain things on p2 side meaning cant avoid some things as you can only side step up on both sides in these specific situations it means the p2 side cant avoid it
Fariborz didn't know the disadvantage
Yo, What is the sound track?
I just got an arcade stick. it's difficult to adjust but better for my wrist... Even with good mechanical keyboard my wrist hurts like freaking hell after two matches... First few I'm playing ok... like 15-th in a row I'm getting slower and slower with keyboard because of the pain...
What lever is that?
If you use the plam of the hand on top of the stick doesn't correct fact of lack fingers and gab left to to right?
It is the worst grip possible
@@aquilescastro1335 yeah but beeing worse doesnt mean you cant figure out how to work. They are people use all type of ways to use a grip, just look at some grip tetris profissionals players use.They cross a leg to make a base then sheck her to make more motion on the pad.
Stick obeys laws of physiology/anatomy better than does controller, feels more smoother/precise too (Precision). Stick is more accommodating.
PS1 version Quake 2 soundtrack in the background?
I got a k stick in 2020 4 months after starting on controller. I still struggle to ss left at time's
Arcade stick is comfortable i think more comfortable than playstation controller?
for me if you wanna play a mishima character with a korean playstyle an arcade stick is a must, you can play a mishima but with a different play style (like using DJ up4) you can use a pad.
Wait, was this really an almost 11 minute video soley on wave dashing?
stick is better in the long run though imo. I can't imagine doing a fast wavedash on pad, (without developing tendinitis or something on your thumb).
Lol true story bro 😂
Why does everything gotta be a competition lmao
Mishima players...gotta complain too
As soon as I saw the title I said "here we go with this bullshit again" lol, there is no hardest controller, what is harder for some may be easier for others so there will always be arguments
2:06 try it with the whole thing
Due to side differences, I have a good pewgf on p2, but I never succeeded it on p1
Just gotta get used to the f df motion on p1 I hit my first one yesterday for p1 since timing the same
👀...learning Korean backdash...with thumb and 2 middle fingers...my wife is going to LOVE ME!😂😂😂
Here after 50 cent posted your video
Can someone tell me how to do a silent entry with lars
i play my kaz on pad and all my opponents think I'm on stick
it's just what u prefer and how much effort u put in it
What pad are you using? Can you recommed one pls?
@@Diggedaudau ps4 or ps5 pads
My left thumb hurt playing NIna on pad.But I also don't have enough money for a stick. Damn daniel, guess I goatta do side gigs
I bought a qanba drone but only use it for like 10 times on practice mode and went back on using keyboard. Now i see why kb is banned on tournament.
keyboard is banned because tournaments are played on ps4
It's also the hardest on the wallet.
People that play pad. Do you play claw or with your thumb? It's actually very easy to play very well on pad with a claw grip. I've been playing claw forever and am currently raijin.
For me it's so much easier/accurate to get the inputs I want with the pinky wrapped around the stick as if its a wine glass. If you pay attention to Japanese fighting game player's you'll know what I'm talking about. Some use their ring or middle finger. That comes with preference. A Korean stick on the other hand you're not able to pull that off given the dick like shape.
It is definitely the harder option. I play on pad and have to say inputs are quite easy, especially just frames.
Harder or just different?
@@drabnail777 harder for sure. It's different ofc but you must take into account that an arcade stick has distance to travel when making a motion input before reaching the point of input, while pad is almost instant. Kbd on stick is much more work than kbd on pad.
@@loto7197 I cant do just frames, wavu or kbd for my life on pad, being able to use multiple fingers for directional inputs just seemed easier. The second i swapped to stick, it was natural for me to play at the top of my game. Maybe it's because i play guitar and using multiple fingers across a fretboard is a natural hand movement for me. With pad my thumb tires out quickly, also let's say during an electric, when i hit the down section of the Dualshck, if i go slightly to the edge of the down section, i get a DF input. this messes up my play. i just can't move my thumb alone quickly enough to reliably get lectrix. I get the exact input i want much more quickly and precisely with the stick. Also the action buttons on the right side u have to claw the pad. It wasnt the way the pad was meant to be held and feels awkward to do it. I can never play bryan on a pad. The button layout on the stick is easier for me. Also, a question for you, does a pad buffer a back input when releasing the DB input for KBD? how do u KBD with backsway characters?
@@coutiya2007 it's just about practice, you'd get good at pad if you tried for long enough. I don't play any backsway characters but I do the proper kbd, I learned from Anakin.
Not sure about playing claw, I don't play claw on either side, I use thumbs only unless I'm inputting something like b+2+3 for example
BRO I'VE NEVER SEEN A BETTER PLAYER THAN U
wow TMM, you really know how to work a joystick 🥵
The problem is in gaming that it went from just playing and having, while some were trying to get good, to the point where most players will be extremely sweaty and try to gain every miniscule imagined advantage and spreadsheets and peer-reviewed studies on fucking everything...
when you know to use it its one of the most easy controller, for exemplle you can master pad and just never do PEGWF constantly because the support is so fucked up!
mixbox or pad is the best, kinda f up yr thumb , and backdash is hard tho
I wonder what the solution is to the p1/p2 design flaw here?
Play keyboard