Star Trek: TNG Review - 7x14 Sub Rosa | Reverse Angle
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Sources:
Braga, Brannon. “Sub Rosa.” Star Trek: The Next Generation, created by Gene Roddenberry, Season 7, Episode 14. Paramount Television, CBS, 1994.
Dekker, Fred, director. The Monster Squad. TriStar Pictures, 1987.
Finally after 7 seasons, we get to "THE" episode
@@SusurraSpellshield or If Wishes Were Horses.
Allamaraine, count to four,Allamaraine, then three more,Allamaraine, if you can see,Allamaraine, you'll come with me…
@@SusurraSpellshield Move Along Home isn't nearly as bad. It has a coherent, albeit silly, story line that actually makes sense, in spite of being rather infantile. Sub Rosa is exactly what they said - watching Beverly getting ghosted. As for Threshold, everyone agreed it doesn't exist any more.
@@SusurraSpellshieldaww they're not reviewing ds9?
THE masterpiece of TNGs writers made manifest.
Can we talk about how Troi thought it was ok that Crusher was getting turned on by reading her grandmother's diary
Can we talk about so many, many things from this episode?
Can we talk about how the writer of the episode has some familial gilf fetish????
Troi’s psychological training is influenced by Freud. It’s completely in line with her education.
@@dave5511Yes. 😂
Are you kidding ? Troi will want to borrow those diaries to read them for herself, in her own ... quiet time... ;-)
finally, the best TNG episode gets its due
Haha
Yeah, waiting for this one for weeks. 😬
“I’m trying to think of what they would say”
“Boooo”
I’m dying 😂!
Goddamn, that boo joke is one of the funniest things yall have ever said. After almost 30 years, this episode's existence has finally been justified, thank you, it was all worth it in the end.
Hold up, wait a minute... how amazing would it be if Beverly's son in season 3 of picard is really not picards son but the entity son from this episode. It would be SO stupid that it would be one of the greatest things ever.
Oh no….. don’t suggest that!
@@Medicranger I think it just might be true! 😂
That's too creative for nu-trek
Suddenly, him being a unbearable twat who is older than Alex Jones makes sense .
Is this Rich or Mike from a second account? ;)
"And Picard is excited that they can keep having sex..."
I think future generations should know that this episode of RA was released right after Star Trek: Picard, Season 3, Episode 2, making it the most timely comment ever. ;)
Well now we know who Jack Crusher's real father is 😅
Why not? He's clearly the ghost with the most. 🤣
Are you suggesting that Wesley is a product of incest? Because that would actually explain a lot.
Makes sense; a terrible character produced from a terrible episode.
18:37 "There's nowhere to go but up"
_Masks has entered the chat_
Masks is nowhere near as terrible as this.
That one where Troi is a Romulan is "up" there too.
FINALLY! We have been waiting YEARS for your take on this one.
"Hey, that's that woman that had sex with a ghost. Do you remember reading that report?" LOL! 🤣
"Booooooo!" 😂
Boimler mentions it in Lower Decks season 1, it definitely became common knowledge.
I’ve been waiting for this 😂
The closing commentary was hilarious. I never considered that it is all recorded and how she’s so important
This episode is what all of TNG was building towards. All those other "sci-fi" episodes were just filler and character development so that we could experience this masterpiece of writing and acting.
I love when this episode is roasted it never gets old. Also I had no idea that fact about him naming the dead grandma after his own irl grandma, like what the absolute F ???
F is right
"Finally, a Beverly centric episode."
Said nobody ever...
This isn't her first, and Beverly has had much better ones. I actually like the one when Beverly got trapped inside an artificial universe.
I wasn't a huge fan of "Bev", I actually preferred Pulaski although I get why some don't like her either. I also liked the Wes episodes after season 1, so I'm in the minority already. That first season was obviously to appeal to the teenage demographic, which worked because it sucked me in. But yeah, his storylines in season 1 were terrible. Actually all of season 1 was terrible, was too much like TOS
Sad too, because she's a good actress. The writing for the character is the main problem.
For those of us of a certain age, this episode would fit neatly into one of the old “Dark Shadows” plot lines with hormonally charged doctors, handsome and terrifying ghosts, and lots of dry ice standing in for fog. What’s not to love? :-)
I used to watch Dark Shadows when I was about 7 and it broadcast on TV. I had no idea what was going on but found it strangely hypnotic. I know now that it's a horror themed soap opera, but at the time it was a mystery
How could any of them show their faces? Beverly: "Hey aren't you are the one with the Ghost", Dienna: "Hey aren't you the one who got knocked up by a space anomaly", Riker: "Hey aren't you the ones who sold out the Federation to the Romulans?", Georidi: "Hey aren't you the one who got reported to HR for funny stuff with holedeck recreations of married women?", Data: "Hey aren't you the one who often took over the ship and performed medical experiments on your friends?" ; Worf "Hey aren't you the one who was right every time but nobody listened to you?"
"Hey Picard, aren't you the one who killed around 11000 people in an attack?"
Another last season episode, and another introduction of a main cast member's extended family, who will never appear or be mentioned again...
'Sub Rosa' originally aired Jan. 31, 1994. Author Anne Rice was white-hot during that period, and was in the middle of publishing her 'Mayfair Witches' series, books 1 and 2 having come out in 1990 and 1993, with book 3 to come out later in 1994. This series (all 3 books of which debuted at number 2 on The New York Times Best Seller List), featured an old Scottish family ghost who romantically haunted the genetically-compatible red-haired women of the Mayfair family, often with... 'climactic' results. I have not seen whether Brannon Braga has commented on this eerily-close, and contemporaneous, plot similarity between this episode and the then-popular Rice books, but fellow episode writer Jeanna F. Gallo, who claims to have come up with the gist of the plot, is reported to have vehemently denied any ties to the Rice story. Uh huh....
MONSTER SQUAD IS THE BEST!
But seriously who let Gene write one last episode?
This is EXACTLY what ghost Gene would write!
Ghost of Gene… the thing is a ghost… I think you cracked it.
"How romantic..."
LMAO 🤣
Oh yeah, this is the ghost fucking episode!
LOL that music at the start.
Dinnit light that candle!
I never knew I could laugh and boo at the same time, this episode is surely something else.
Finally! I waited some time to bring this one:
Roses are red
Violetts are blue
Sub Rosa gets an A
Because we see Dr. C in Dessous 🌹
Best TNG Cosplay Event that went too far ever. 😄
"Brannon Braga"? That person's parents must love alliteration.
...and he'd a got away with it too, if it weren't for that pesky blind man and his robit.
was waiting for this one - was not disappointed...
I'm totally sure this plot-line was stolen from Anne Rice's novel "The Witching Hour", which was published only 2 years before this episode aired. The similar elements include: an ageless "ghost lover" who's inherited or passed on from a recently dead relative, the candle holder functions like the Mayfair locket that somehow is connected to the spirit Lasher, and even the planet's thunderstorms are like those Lasher summons over the 1st street house when one of the witches dies! What a random thing for them to take inspiration from, lol
I feel like it was more likely an extremely poor attempt to have their own version of the original series episode 'Metamorphosis', only with the weird space cloud lover having a bit more personification.
Really? They missed the obvious line to say,
"I think this episode of Sub Rosa, was Sub-Par." -Ba Dum Tiss
At least he gave it a G for ghost,
and it is a good thing Beverly never shouted out with excitement, "I'm going ghost!"
This episode really left everyone watching it in the phantom zone.
Star Trek: The Writer's Barely-Disguised Fetish
They should have at least once had an episode where they land on a planet that was once a human colony planet, but it's now totally taken over by gremlins.
I've been waiting a long time for this one and you gentlemen did not disappoint.
This is the Star Wars Christmas special of STTNG.
I love all these colonies that want to live the life of a specific time in history. I NEED them to visit like 1980s Bronx or something like that Or like 1970 Japan colony. The forever 1969 colony.
They tried to have a late 60s "hippy" colony in TOS, but all the plant life on the proposed planet was poisonous. Didn't work out.
@@mconnors1733 It was a decent planet, all they needed to do was crush it from orbit with some fairly large asteroids, killing all the life on the planet, then terraform it with earth life forms... some poison plants may still survive, but they would be eradicated. Add on some Federation weather control stations, and a medium orbital star base - and it's a perfectly good fixer uppper planet. Mars had a colony and it didn't have the nice Earth like atmosphere like EDEN.
Finally the most anticipated reaction of all time. I can't believe it only has 48 comments from 463 views as I write this.
"Booo" was the funniest pun-chline I've heard all year.
This was the single episode I was waiting for you guys to review. I subscribed somewhere in season 3 eagerly anticipating you getting to this one. Thank you for the chuckles guys!
Rick Berman probably was fine with this episode, Braga probably didn't have to sneak it past him in any way.
Berman is a BIGOT and a MISOGYNIST. It's really no surprise.
I too have been waiting for this one. I would still rather watch this over 'Code of honour'. At least Sub Rosa makes me laugh
They kept the name Howard because GRANNY CRUSHER was too fucking cool
This was a great episode...an actual live action cross-over script, from Gargoyles Season 3, somehow got refurbished into a Next Generation episode, including many of the same voice actors! The best parts of the hilarious review are (1) the music, (2) the unusual grade, and (3) 6 minutes straight of post-grade commentary on the logical fallacy issues this creates for the canon.
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How did you not open with "Beverly gets ghosted"?!! Nooooo.
At last, shining a spotlight on this underrated episode!!
Everytime I visit an old relative's house now, (living or deceased), I always check the candles and candleholders for sexy Scottish ghosts who wanna get freaky!!
This episode was a train wreck lol I swear it was created strictly for peoples fan fiction fantasies of Gates McFadden lol
G is for great review guys
Gave up on this episode 5 minutes in, and then skipped it on every subsequent TNG rewatch. It might be the only episode of Star Trek that I've never watched (Kurtzman trek excluded).
"Ye canna change the laws o' physics!"
"Dinna light that candle!"
I'm glad you didn't beat around the bush, spot on with the G rating.
The sad part is that I think the episode could've been a lot better with a bit of restructuring - motivations, background, all that. Someone pushed the button and let this rip as-is, unfortunately.
Ah yes, the episode that really should give Anne Rice a "Story by" credit (it is - ahem! - Strongly influenced by her novel, "The Witching Hour"). And it has the old horror movie cliche of "Man gives vague warning but can't explain more, because we need the plot to happen."
Klingon's got nards !!
It’s the “Crusher has sex with a space ghost episode” YASSSS! LMAO! But with all the orgasms, how could it be RATED G??? HUH??!? 😂
@@yananna_yarn #ISeeWhatYouDidThere
A "G" for "Good Lord what were they thinking?"
Lol! Love the intro music. I think this was a rip-off of some 80's soft po--no music, but let's roll the tide. Absolutely "The Room" worthy episode. At least for TH-cam reviewers.
A+++ review!
I gave this episode a "W". As in Why do they keep leaving Weed around the Writers' room during creative time.
Lol..... Another "W" rating... I didn't see your comment until after I gave it the same.
We've all been looking forward to this.
When people ask me what the 90's feel like It's this episode.
Beverley is the definitive ginger vixen 😍😍😍😍😍
They really needed whoopi goldberg and patrick swayze as guest stars in this episode.
Do not forget the clay pot and dated romance music .
Great review as usual. Can you, guys, please do Voyager reviews when you are done with TNG? I would really look forward to that.
This was written by Anne Rice, a/k/a Anne Rampling. Author of Exit to Eden.
It's always hilarious seeing the guy also plays Shakar in Ds9 in this role.
Oh dear god that was awesome. G for ghost. Just fantastic.😆
I was waiting for this moment ever since you started making TNG videos. Great work, as usual. Must be the (unintentionally) funniest episode of TNG ever, Plan 9 From Outer Space level stupid !
This episode creeped me out as a kid.
This review actually makes watching Sub Rosa tolerable.
😁
Wait........... Are you trolling us??? What's with the new intro music?!?!?!?!?
There were Deanna Troy Guys and Dr. Crusher guys. As for me personally I was a Dr Crusher Guy and I remember this boner inducing episode. Good work fellas
Everyone's been waiting for this one. Let's Goooooo!
The ship has environmental controls and life support, but Starfleet didn't have ONE HVAC engineer on their flagship
ETH Emegency Technician Hologram - ''Please State the Nature of Your HVAC Emergency''
As a Scotsmen I liked the episode and its Scottish theme but I was always jealous of that ghost, covering Beverly in its ectoplasm.
It's funny because the show lower decks mentioned that episode happened and that it was weird it happened.
Dare we enter Star Trek's magical realm?
The new intro is way better!
G for Glorious. Bev Crusher is hot stuff
Didn't Braga have a lot of issues with women cast members?
So did Berman. They were misogynists.
In all seriousness - Kirk and other male Federation officers seem pre-occupied with hooking up with alien species ( even spoofed in GALAXY QUEST ! ) ... And Troi has her flings too . . . It's just (literally) a semi-toxic relationship story. Beverly could have spent years with her green ghost boyfriend, eventually killing her, but her grand mother lasted quiet a long time, so no major damage for the short term. Here they are violating the prime directive, The green ghost alien species should have been questioned, helped, returned to his own planet... seemingly lost on Earth a very long time ago ( UFO crash? ) Inventing a chamber to keep him alive in would be an upgrade to a candle.
"Booo" as a regular "shame" heckle...this could explain Picard Season 3...it was too much for Beverly!
Romance novels sell really well in the United States. Of course the producers would approve the script.
Oh hey, I like the chill new intro theme.
Looking forward to this.
I am lower than either of you guys. I give it a Z for Zombie, which I think actually wrote this major atrocity.
I feel like I should watch this episode tonight,
for some orgasmic reason
Hold on now, you're showing some sexism here . . . Captain Kirk schemed ways to copulate with random various alien life forms... It was his signature manuver !
You ever wonder how he really made peace with the NO KILL I Horta ? Yup . . . You guessed it ! Now you know why they named the episode 'Devil in the Dark' ! ! !
I completely lose my composure every time I see this episode when Nana pops up from the dead and zaps the shit out of Data and La Forge. How romantic, indeed.
lmao. Amazing. What's worse: this or Threshold from Voyager?
God this was the worst. Only good part is when Crusher's grandmother rises from the grave to zap Geordi and Data
In honor of sub Rosa day I had to come back & watch this, lol
You gave it a G-spot rating?
LOL
How did I miss this one? 🤣🤣🤣
This episode was creepy and not in a spooky sort of way.
laughed hard on this one guys ! BOOOOOOOOO 🤣
Boooooo 😂😂😂
That was pure gold
"Booooo!", indeed! 👻💞👽
🙈🙉🙊🤣
I'd have to say that the Buck Rodgers space Vampire episode was better than this LOL
Awwhhhhhhh yesssss, the sexy porn intro music. Truly you do not disappoint and now time to laugh.
A+ episode what else is there to say
Equating it to fan fic seems a bit generous. It's no Briga-Dune. 🙄 This was less TNG & more WTF.
Beverly's eyes are supposed to turn green. I watch for it, but can never see it.
Only goes up after this episode? Is that foreshadowing or they don't know?
I actually liked it, but not for Beverly . I found the ghostly concept interesting.