One note about the time difference between Hawaii and the East Coast: College football's Aloha Bowl is played at 3:05 P.M. local time on December 24th, Christmas Eve day. It usually ends by 6:30 P.M. local. But with the time difference between Hawaii and the East Coast, the game starts at 8:05 P.M. Eastern time and is the only live prime time sports event on the mainland during the evening of Christmas Eve. For that reason, the Aloha Bowl probably gets better ratings than a bowl game of it's stature should get.
Actually, the Aloha Bowl used to be played at 3:30 PM ET, on Christmas Day, which was 10:30 AM Christmas morning. This was before the NBA and NFL decided that putting live sports on Christmas would work, so it was the only thing to watch after the morning festivities. However, it started just after kids in Hawaii got a chance to play with the toys that Santa left under the tree.
That UT-Arkansas game was epic. It was literally decided on one careless drop by the AR QB. I remember thinking UT was fated to a National Championship after winning on that sort of magic.
That Tennessee team was very good. You don't win a national title if you're not. But man they got a lot of breaks that season. Starting with the fumble in that game. Then A&M beating K St in the big 12 championship. Then the Chris Wienke injury. The dominoes fell perfectly for the Vols.
Everybody says that he just dropped the ball and they were lucky but if you go back and look UT's D-Lineman pushes the Arkansas guard off the ball so far that he steps on Stoerner's foot and trips him. Not saying there wasn't some luck to it but it was just as much skill and raw power.
They were not picked to even win the SEC East. With Peyton Manning and Leonard Little graduating, it was to supposed be a rebuilding year. Nevertheless, they were still loaded. Also, the Vols narrowly missed being 0-2, with a last-second victory against Donovan McNabb and Syracuse, and an OT win against Florida after the Gators missed a field goal. Plus losing Jamal Lewis for the year in the Auburn game (a narrow victory). As for the "lucky" Stoerner fumble, Billy Ratliff pushed Arkansas lineman Brandon Burlsworth (RIP) into Stoener, causing the stumble, resulting in the fumble, then recovering it. A side note: After the Vols offense turned it over on downs their previous drive, Ratliff told Tee Martin to keep his helmet on as the D would get the ball back, and Billy delivered!
As a Razorbacks fan, that game broke my heart. I was in college. I had to leave to help a friend with Hogs up 21-3. I came back only to hear about the fumble and the loss. Man, I was pissed. They had that game. I will say I dont think the Hogs run the table though even if they win.
This unofficial Jaguar Gator 8 historian will remind everyone you made videos about two other games featuring undefeated teams with TV controversy, Auburn-Alabama in 1994 and Nebraska-Oklahoma in 2000.
The CBS affiliate in Honolulu (which has rebroadcast transmitters on the other Hawaiian islands) made a business decision that was worse than spiking a Nielsen ratings book during every commercial break.
@@altfactorThe problem is that it was not the decision of KGMB-TV in Honolulu. That came from the brass at the CBS Television Network in New York city. In fact, KGMB tried everything in its power to show the other game but was rebuffed by CBS despite accommodations being offered by Honolulu.
This is hilarious cuz non-service academy military people only care about them when they play each other…my cousin couldn’t tell you a thing about Army football but every December he pulls out his black shirt with a Ranger Tab on the front and talks crap!
Wait, so, did CBS force the station in San Diego (home to one of the largest naval bases in the country, and the base of the Pacific Fleet) to show that garbage game too? Hell, if you go by "places with a Navy base nearby" then Miami, Chicago and Philadelphia should have had the game too.
Jacksonville too. I’m confused because if it is due to a contract with Navy, then there should be a lot more places around the country airing that game.
Pearl Harbor and nearby Hickman Field were also filming locations for “Magnum, p.i.” with Tom Selleck. Additionally, the facilities of KGMB-TV were occasionally used on “Hawaii Five-O” during the ‘60’s and ‘70’s.
Need to do one about ESPN not having a game in the 3:30pm Eastern time slot today, and not showing the Troy-App game on linear TV despite the fact they sent their Gameday crew to Boone. Game was relegated to ESPN+ and ended on a Hail Mary. Ooops.
I live in one of the markets that got this game (with Annapolis roughly an hour away from Baltimore), but I do remember seeing the end of the Arkansas/Tennessee game. That was insane.
I think you meant to mention the number of TV homes because the Honolulu MSA has over 1M people. As for this mess that KGMB was involved in, I never knew about that naval base contract. I guess KFMB (San Diego) and WTKR (Norfolk) would've also been forced to air Notre Dame/Navy in this case. Crazy stuff!
Only quibble is that, much more of the country than just "around South Bend" and "around Annapolis" got this game. I lived in Erie, PA and we got Notre Dame/Navy, as did much of the Midwest, and I suspect the Northeast -- with NYC being home to a ton of ND fans -- Did as well. Oddly, CBS aired ND/Navy in even years every season from 1996-2018, yet this was the only time it was a regional broadcast. Every other game was national.
This is from a 1999 press release. It's not apples to apples exactly, but the following year ND (5-4) played Pitt (4-5) up against a more interesting SEC game, and the breakdown was 43 % ND/Pitt, 57% Miss St/Alabama. The SEC game was FAR more important, as the winner would win the SEC West and advance to the title game. Also both were ranked i the top 12. So even though it was a far more appealing game, ND/Pitt still went to 43% of the country, including to New England New York New Jersey Pennsylvania West Virginia Ohio (except Cincinnati) Michigan Indiana Wisconsin Most of Illinois, including Chicago Most of Iowa Los Angeles Washington state Boise, Idaho
Fun fact: 2 of the 4 teams discussed in this video are the colleges my parents went. My mom went to Arkansas, and my dad to the Naval Academy. Also, I was born in Tennessee.
Any idea how the CBS/Navy deal would have affected this broadcast in , say, San Diego? Seattle? Jacksonville? Well, in that case maybe the CBS SEC contract had some sort of language saying SEC games would always be shown in SEC states in cases like this.
I'm glad someone brought this up before me, because listening to the stipulations of the deal made me think about San Diego specifically somehow skirting away from the deal. You mention Seattle, and as a knock on effect it would have fucked over Canada too, as KIRO has always been available OTA in the Vancouver area, and considering satellite TV was coming into vogue in 1998, would have screwed over people on satellite who were doing time shifting or what have you.
98 was my freshman year at UT, and I remember watching the Arkansas game with my dad. Talk about a crazy good game! We went from being so upset because Arkansas was one play away from winning, and when the fumble happened the whole neighborhood exploded in cheering! And when we got the lead with no time left it was better than the beating Florida earlier in the year when the goalposts came down. Talk about a heartbreaker for Arkansas fans! They played their hearts out and really deserved the win, but it just didn't work out for them. And then we went undefeated and won the natty! I was extremely lucky being a freshman that year!!!
This is very similar to what Fox did with two Stanley Cup playoff games in 1995 back when they had the NHL. It should be pointed out that like with this, Fox gave affiliates the choice of which Stanley Cup playoff game they wanted to air in the 3 PM ET time slot. The choices were between Red Wings-Stars or Canucks-Blues. What ended up happening is that most of the Fox affiliates around the country showed the Red Wings-Stars game which was a 4-3 thriller. The only exceptions to that was in Seattle which showed Canucks-Blues because Fox thought that by simply being close to the border, Seattle was a Canucks town even though the local Fox affiliate KCPQ wanted the other game due to the number of Red Wings fans in the area. St Louis also got Canucks-Blues for obvious reasons. As for the outcome of Canucks-Blues, it was thrilling but not as exciting as Red Wings-Stars as it ended 2-1 to the Blues.
We take it for granted these days to be able to watch any game we want. Anyway, it looks like Hawaii has repeater stations throughout the state. Couldn't different games have aired on different stations serving different islands?
If I am understanding this correctly, since Norfolk, VA has a bunch of naval bases in the area, then that CBS contract would’ve required WTKR to show that joke of a matchup instead of the game in Knoxville. And San Diego, and Chicago, and a bunch of other areas too. I’m not sure if CBS made an exception in those areas.
I'm still going to miss SEC Football on CBS after 2023. Growing up in Knoxville, TN, it truly was a Saturday Tradition. It's a shame that those dang Yankees from up North will takeover CBS because some of the greatest moments in SEC Football history and College Football history was during the 20+ Year run of SEC Football on CBS. Think about it.
CBS is based in New York. Sean Mcdonough is from MA, Verne Lundquist and Brad Nessler are from MN. Todd Blackledge went to Penn State. Gary Danielson went to Purdue. CBS is not Jefferson Pilot.
@@KN_1 I miss Jefferson Pilot. The broadcast booth with The Three Daves, ads for perennial sponsors in Golden Flake, Dr. Pepper, Texas Pete, and 12 noon (11 Central) kickoffs. That and their lowbrow production value made for some memorable moments when there were huge upsets or unforgettable moments, and there were some memorable ones on JPS.
CBS affiliates in the SEC footprint can still show SEC football if they switch to ABC before the 2024 season. ABC affiliates in Big Ten territory would need to switch to NBC or CBS to continue airing Big Ten games. We've been through something like this before, after the NFL's NFC package moved to Fox in 1994 and set off a wave of affiliation switches.
Raleigh/Durham, NC and Greensboro/Winston-Salem, NC received the game JIP, due to WRAL and WFMY’s commitment to air ACC Football between NC State and Maryland, IIRC. S/N, WRAL was a then-CBS affiliate. I assume WNCT-9 (Greenville/New Bern) received the game uncut.
As a Tennessee fan that was the most stoked I've been pretty much up until they recently finally beat bama again in that shootout i can't imagine if i missed it for that irish game. I'm so thankful those days are long gone nowadays you can pretty much find every game somewhere but back in the day if it wasn’t on one of the few stations it just wasn't either on at all or on ppv was $20-30
I thought was also going to be cause of ND. The national attention they get like how no matter how bad the team looks always seems to be ranked in preseason polls.
Notre Dame hosts Navy in South Bend in odd number years. Navy plays Notre Dame at a neutral site in even number years. Notre Dame home games are on NBC. The network that airs Notre Dame away games varies. I don’t know if CBS still covers Navy games today aside from their rivalry with Army.
@@americanidol30 CBS and its associated cable sports network (which isn't even metered in the Nielsen ratings, but I digress) hold the rights to games involving the service academies. Just a week ago, CBS aired Colorado at Air Force in the 3:30 pm ET timeslot.
I respectfully disagree about the importance of the UT-Arkansas game. At this time in 1998, UCLA and Kansas State were also undefeated. Florida State and Florida each had one loss. These two SEC schools could have had a rematch in the conference championship game. Arkansas stumbled late and Mississippi state won the division. UT could have won it all with a single loss. It was a big game but there were other big games later in November. Thank you for explaining the Navy situation because I was not aware of that this obligation
Wisconsin was unbeaten, too. (There was another unbeaten team, but they weren't relevant to the discussion because they weren't in a power conference).
@@johnwiesner9590Please don’t remind me of that. That game was an example of John Cooper at his most milquetoast. And, that’s not even including his well-deserved reputation as Mr. 2-10-1 with the other team in that state, in which series he was, for the most part, just plain atrocious. To this day, I wonder: How could someone who could assemble such talent as we saw 1988-2000 never really figure out how to utilize the strengths of those players?
I am an Auburn Tiger fan and if they aren't in that 1st scenario there is no way I am watching that game. I would watch the 2nd one because that way i could still have a good time watching it. And I get very involved in the games when I watch them on TV, do much so that my fiance leaves me alone until I am done watching the games. Same with on Sunday the Vikings for sure and if they are on CBS in the 2nd game and depending on who is playing at noon on that station I will watch the first CBS game, but I will choose the NFC game on Fox, then switch it over to CBS. If they play on Sunday night I will watch one each on CBS and Fox, one at noon and one at 3:15 then switch over to NBC for SNF, or I will watch all 3 channels if they have a bye or if the Vikings play on Monday Night or Thursday Night.
The Hawaiian Islands will always be better than Flori-duh. (Bear in mind that I don’t include south Florida, which long ago should have attained statehood, in the latter.) Of that there is absolutely no question!
Yeah. While it sounds crazy to say that a good but not great ND team against an unranked Navy is the better decision than a game between powerhouses, it's hard to argue. Even bad ND teams draw big ratings. They have a huge national fanbase and a lot of people who don't like them. Navy also has a big national following. Hell, it's the same reason that so many games between crappy NFC East teams get Nationally Broadcast. That draws ratings. As good as Tennessee and Arkansas were, they're still regional teams.
Of course, if I were the station manager or program director of a CBS affiliate, I would have had my station broadcast the Notre Dame-Navy game for the simple reason that I’ve never liked the Southeastern Conference.
Aside from the fact I hate the sec notre dame navy has much greater appeal. Both are national programs drawing interest from regular humans not just the dumbest poorest states.
If you (Pearl) can't quite (Harbor) figure out (Naval) why this (Station) game was (Hickman) broadcast over (Field) the SEC (Air Force) game, then (Base) you don't know geography or history.
So sidenote: IF this “contractual obligation” was made it would also mean the Norfolk, VA…Miami, FL and San Diego, CA markets would ALSO be required to show the ND/Navy game. So it wasn’t JUST Hawaii… 🤔🫤
Growing up in Hawai’i, I was 12 when this happened. I remember how upset sports fans were. Even the other network affiliates talked about it.
12:27 RIP to walk-on legend Brandon Burlsworth (#77 in white) Gone way too soon😢
As a Navy fan, I miss ND/Navy on CBS. They’ve fallen on hard times but I hope it gets better soon.
One note about the time difference between Hawaii and the East Coast:
College football's Aloha Bowl is played at 3:05 P.M. local time on December 24th, Christmas Eve day.
It usually ends by 6:30 P.M. local.
But with the time difference between Hawaii and the East Coast, the game starts at 8:05 P.M. Eastern time and is the only live prime time sports event on the mainland during the evening of Christmas Eve.
For that reason, the Aloha Bowl probably gets better ratings than a bowl game of it's stature should get.
The Aloha Bowl ended in 2000, you're thinking of the Hawaii Bowl
Actually, the Aloha Bowl used to be played at 3:30 PM ET, on Christmas Day, which was 10:30 AM Christmas morning. This was before the NBA and NFL decided that putting live sports on Christmas would work, so it was the only thing to watch after the morning festivities. However, it started just after kids in Hawaii got a chance to play with the toys that Santa left under the tree.
That UT-Arkansas game was epic. It was literally decided on one careless drop by the AR QB. I remember thinking UT was fated to a National Championship after winning on that sort of magic.
Why the name Clint Stoerner lives on to this day.
That Tennessee team was very good. You don't win a national title if you're not. But man they got a lot of breaks that season. Starting with the fumble in that game. Then A&M beating K St in the big 12 championship. Then the Chris Wienke injury. The dominoes fell perfectly for the Vols.
Everybody says that he just dropped the ball and they were lucky but if you go back and look UT's D-Lineman pushes the Arkansas guard off the ball so far that he steps on Stoerner's foot and trips him. Not saying there wasn't some luck to it but it was just as much skill and raw power.
@@CTubeMan gotta love Clint tho. Dude is classy about it to this day
They were not picked to even win the SEC East. With Peyton Manning and Leonard Little graduating, it was to supposed be a rebuilding year. Nevertheless, they were still loaded.
Also, the Vols narrowly missed being 0-2, with a last-second victory against Donovan McNabb and Syracuse, and an OT win against Florida after the Gators missed a field goal. Plus losing Jamal Lewis for the year in the Auburn game (a narrow victory).
As for the "lucky" Stoerner fumble, Billy Ratliff pushed Arkansas lineman Brandon Burlsworth (RIP) into Stoener, causing the stumble, resulting in the fumble, then recovering it. A side note: After the Vols offense turned it over on downs their previous drive, Ratliff told Tee Martin to keep his helmet on as the D would get the ball back, and Billy delivered!
I believe it was ESPN Anchor Larry Beil who had as one of his catchphrases, “Aloha means goodbye.”
Thank you brother for showing my Vols some love!!! Made a terrible day so much BRIGHTER.... As you always seem to do.... MUCH LOVE
As a Razorbacks fan, that game broke my heart. I was in college. I had to leave to help a friend with Hogs up 21-3. I came back only to hear about the fumble and the loss. Man, I was pissed. They had that game. I will say I dont think the Hogs run the table though even if they win.
This unofficial Jaguar Gator 8 historian will remind everyone you made videos about two other games featuring undefeated teams with TV controversy, Auburn-Alabama in 1994 and Nebraska-Oklahoma in 2000.
The CBS affiliate in Honolulu (which has rebroadcast transmitters on the other Hawaiian islands) made a business decision that was worse than spiking a Nielsen ratings book during every commercial break.
@@altfactorThe problem is that it was not the decision of KGMB-TV in Honolulu. That came from the brass at the CBS Television Network in New York city. In fact, KGMB tried everything in its power to show the other game but was rebuffed by CBS despite accommodations being offered by Honolulu.
This is hilarious cuz non-service academy military people only care about them when they play each other…my cousin couldn’t tell you a thing about Army football but every December he pulls out his black shirt with a Ranger Tab on the front and talks crap!
Wait, so, did CBS force the station in San Diego (home to one of the largest naval bases in the country, and the base of the Pacific Fleet) to show that garbage game too? Hell, if you go by "places with a Navy base nearby" then Miami, Chicago and Philadelphia should have had the game too.
Honestly Chicago might of gotten the game anyway since it’s close to ND itself
Philadelphia is in the Navy Market.
But yes. Miami, San Diego and Norfolk, VA are technically NOT. So idk why the story is a fuss.
@@michaeloptv how aren't they? They have large naval bases near the city.
Jacksonville too. I’m confused because if it is due to a contract with Navy, then there should be a lot more places around the country airing that game.
Good video man
Pearl Harbor is now a filming location for a CBS show, NCIS: Hawaii, that is part of the NCIS franchise
Pearl Harbor and nearby Hickman Field were also filming locations for “Magnum, p.i.” with Tom Selleck. Additionally, the facilities of KGMB-TV were occasionally used on “Hawaii Five-O” during the ‘60’s and ‘70’s.
Need to do one about ESPN not having a game in the 3:30pm Eastern time slot today, and not showing the Troy-App game on linear TV despite the fact they sent their Gameday crew to Boone. Game was relegated to ESPN+ and ended on a Hail Mary. Ooops.
And the games that were on traditional TV mostly sucked.
I live in one of the markets that got this game (with Annapolis roughly an hour away from Baltimore), but I do remember seeing the end of the Arkansas/Tennessee game. That was insane.
The game that saved Tennessee's undefeated season!
I wonder how many people in the Navy station in Hawaii are from Tennessee and Arkansas
I remember talking with my high school principal about this on Monday after the weekend.
Yeah I kinda immediately figured it had to do with the massive Naval population in the state of Hawaii
How did this get received in other big coastal markets with naval bases - such as Norfolk or those in FL or Southern California
I'm a Navy fan so I'd still want to watch that game, But I certainly get wanting to watch the other game instead.
Possibly a lot of military folks wanted to see Navy
I think you meant to mention the number of TV homes because the Honolulu MSA has over 1M people. As for this mess that KGMB was involved in, I never knew about that naval base contract. I guess KFMB (San Diego) and WTKR (Norfolk) would've also been forced to air Notre Dame/Navy in this case. Crazy stuff!
How did the San Diego affiliate get off the hook?
Ask Simon & Simon
Only quibble is that, much more of the country than just "around South Bend" and "around Annapolis" got this game. I lived in Erie, PA and we got Notre Dame/Navy, as did much of the Midwest, and I suspect the Northeast -- with NYC being home to a ton of ND fans -- Did as well.
Oddly, CBS aired ND/Navy in even years every season from 1996-2018, yet this was the only time it was a regional broadcast. Every other game was national.
This is from a 1999 press release. It's not apples to apples exactly, but the following year ND (5-4) played Pitt (4-5) up against a more interesting SEC game, and the breakdown was 43 % ND/Pitt, 57% Miss St/Alabama. The SEC game was FAR more important, as the winner would win the SEC West and advance to the title game. Also both were ranked i the top 12. So even though it was a far more appealing game, ND/Pitt still went to 43% of the country, including to
New England
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How do you find all of these stories to share.
Fun fact: 2 of the 4 teams discussed in this video are the colleges my parents went. My mom went to Arkansas, and my dad to the Naval Academy. Also, I was born in Tennessee.
Any idea how the CBS/Navy deal would have affected this broadcast in , say, San Diego? Seattle? Jacksonville? Well, in that case maybe the CBS SEC contract had some sort of language saying SEC games would always be shown in SEC states in cases like this.
I'm glad someone brought this up before me, because listening to the stipulations of the deal made me think about San Diego specifically somehow skirting away from the deal.
You mention Seattle, and as a knock on effect it would have fucked over Canada too, as KIRO has always been available OTA in the Vancouver area, and considering satellite TV was coming into vogue in 1998, would have screwed over people on satellite who were doing time shifting or what have you.
I was thinking the same thing. Did they have to air this in San Diego? Or The Hampton area of Virginia?
How did other CBS affiliates with navy bases get around having to carry the Notre Dame v. Navy game? There are other navy bases on the mainland.
98 was my freshman year at UT, and I remember watching the Arkansas game with my dad. Talk about a crazy good game! We went from being so upset because Arkansas was one play away from winning, and when the fumble happened the whole neighborhood exploded in cheering! And when we got the lead with no time left it was better than the beating Florida earlier in the year when the goalposts came down. Talk about a heartbreaker for Arkansas fans! They played their hearts out and really deserved the win, but it just didn't work out for them. And then we went undefeated and won the natty! I was extremely lucky being a freshman that year!!!
If CBS had to show Navy where Naval bases were, how did San Diego, Seattle (Bremerton), Jacksonville, Norfolk, Portsmouth, NH get the SEC game?
This is very similar to what Fox did with two Stanley Cup playoff games in 1995 back when they had the NHL. It should be pointed out that like with this, Fox gave affiliates the choice of which Stanley Cup playoff game they wanted to air in the 3 PM ET time slot. The choices were between Red Wings-Stars or Canucks-Blues. What ended up happening is that most of the Fox affiliates around the country showed the Red Wings-Stars game which was a 4-3 thriller. The only exceptions to that was in Seattle which showed Canucks-Blues because Fox thought that by simply being close to the border, Seattle was a Canucks town even though the local Fox affiliate KCPQ wanted the other game due to the number of Red Wings fans in the area. St Louis also got Canucks-Blues for obvious reasons. As for the outcome of Canucks-Blues, it was thrilling but not as exciting as Red Wings-Stars as it ended 2-1 to the Blues.
We take it for granted these days to be able to watch any game we want. Anyway, it looks like Hawaii has repeater stations throughout the state. Couldn't different games have aired on different stations serving different islands?
If I am understanding this correctly, since Norfolk, VA has a bunch of naval bases in the area, then that CBS contract would’ve required WTKR to show that joke of a matchup instead of the game in Knoxville. And San Diego, and Chicago, and a bunch of other areas too. I’m not sure if CBS made an exception in those areas.
Arkansas fans still talk about this, too.
RIP Brandon Burlsworth
I'm still going to miss SEC Football on CBS after 2023. Growing up in Knoxville, TN, it truly was a Saturday Tradition. It's a shame that those dang Yankees from up North will takeover CBS because some of the greatest moments in SEC Football history and College Football history was during the 20+ Year run of SEC Football on CBS. Think about it.
CBS is based in New York. Sean Mcdonough is from MA, Verne Lundquist and Brad Nessler are from MN. Todd Blackledge went to Penn State. Gary Danielson went to Purdue. CBS is not Jefferson Pilot.
@@KN_1 I miss Jefferson Pilot. The broadcast booth with The Three Daves, ads for perennial sponsors in Golden Flake, Dr. Pepper, Texas Pete, and 12 noon (11 Central) kickoffs. That and their lowbrow production value made for some memorable moments when there were huge upsets or unforgettable moments, and there were some memorable ones on JPS.
CBS affiliates in the SEC footprint can still show SEC football if they switch to ABC before the 2024 season. ABC affiliates in Big Ten territory would need to switch to NBC or CBS to continue airing Big Ten games.
We've been through something like this before, after the NFL's NFC package moved to Fox in 1994 and set off a wave of affiliation switches.
Raleigh/Durham, NC and Greensboro/Winston-Salem, NC received the game JIP, due to WRAL and WFMY’s commitment to air ACC Football between NC State and Maryland, IIRC. S/N, WRAL was a then-CBS affiliate. I assume WNCT-9 (Greenville/New Bern) received the game uncut.
how do you get around copyright infringement?
Rocky Top, you'll always be
Home sweet home to me
Good old Rocky Top (Woo)
Rocky Top, Tennessee!
As a Tennessee fan that was the most stoked I've been pretty much up until they recently finally beat bama again in that shootout i can't imagine if i missed it for that irish game. I'm so thankful those days are long gone nowadays you can pretty much find every game somewhere but back in the day if it wasn’t on one of the few stations it just wasn't either on at all or on ppv was $20-30
I’m curious. What game did CBS show in the San Diego market because San Diego is a bigger naval city than Honolulu?
Notre Dame vs Navy
Despicable amount of ads even on Safari on my ass phone
Notre dame should always be televised
I would flip between the games anyway.
I’m surprised that this didn’t happen in San Diego
Growing Up in Alabama, I was 9 when this happened.
CBS? NBC usually carries Notre Dame games. Hawaii doesn't have an NBC affiliate?
8:00 Oh.
I thought was also going to be cause of ND. The national attention they get like how no matter how bad the team looks always seems to be ranked in preseason polls.
Notre Dame hosts Navy in South Bend in odd number years. Navy plays Notre Dame at a neutral site in even number years. Notre Dame home games are on NBC. The network that airs Notre Dame away games varies. I don’t know if CBS still covers Navy games today aside from their rivalry with Army.
@@americanidol30 CBS and its associated cable sports network (which isn't even metered in the Nielsen ratings, but I digress) hold the rights to games involving the service academies. Just a week ago, CBS aired Colorado at Air Force in the 3:30 pm ET timeslot.
@@drewzuhosky6826 They have Army only, Air Force is part of the MW contract, and ESPN has Navy though the AAC contract
Notre Dame was on the road.
NBC gets to carry Notre Dame home football games, but can't carry road games.
Nobody has cared about Notre Dame vs Navy since the 1940s 🤣
I respectfully disagree about the importance of the UT-Arkansas game. At this time in 1998, UCLA and Kansas State were also undefeated. Florida State and Florida each had one loss. These two SEC schools could have had a rematch in the conference championship game. Arkansas stumbled late and Mississippi state won the division. UT could have won it all with a single loss. It was a big game but there were other big games later in November. Thank you for explaining the Navy situation because I was not aware of that this obligation
Wisconsin was unbeaten, too. (There was another unbeaten team, but they weren't relevant to the discussion because they weren't in a power conference).
@@CyberchaoX FTR, Tulane.
@@CyberchaoX Plus Ohio State was #1 the whole season until two weeks earlier when as a 28 point favorite they lost to a mediocre Michigan State team.
@@johnwiesner9590Please don’t remind me of that. That game was an example of John Cooper at his most milquetoast. And, that’s not even including his well-deserved reputation as Mr. 2-10-1 with the other team in that state, in which series he was, for the most part, just plain atrocious. To this day, I wonder: How could someone who could assemble such talent as we saw 1988-2000 never really figure out how to utilize the strengths of those players?
Never go to Hawaii during Football Season
Ahem-Vanderbilt.
Honolulu's not on the big island?
It’s on Oahu.
Stumble and fumble. Arkansas fans cringe when that is said.
Meh, I'd go with the ranked team vs a lower opponent, can't stand the sec
Why din't thet make this. a doubleheader on CBS
Get it straight, JG-It's THE RIGHT REVEREND HOUSTON NUTT!!!!!!!!
I am an Auburn Tiger fan and if they aren't in that 1st scenario there is no way I am watching that game. I would watch the 2nd one because that way i could still have a good time watching it. And I get very involved in the games when I watch them on TV, do much so that my fiance leaves me alone until I am done watching the games. Same with on Sunday the Vikings for sure and if they are on CBS in the 2nd game and depending on who is playing at noon on that station I will watch the first CBS game, but I will choose the NFC game on Fox, then switch it over to CBS. If they play on Sunday night I will watch one each on CBS and Fox, one at noon and one at 3:15 then switch over to NBC for SNF, or I will watch all 3 channels if they have a bye or if the Vikings play on Monday Night or Thursday Night.
Why Hawaii won’t be great
The Hawaiian Islands will always be better than Flori-duh. (Bear in mind that I don’t include south Florida, which long ago should have attained statehood, in the latter.) Of that there is absolutely no question!
That cold pizza > hot pizza
Provided it hadn’t been on the floor for three hours per JG’s analogy.
This comes down to ratings. I would've picked Notre Dame vs Navy. There's a reason that Notre Dame has their own network deal.
Yeah. While it sounds crazy to say that a good but not great ND team against an unranked Navy is the better decision than a game between powerhouses, it's hard to argue. Even bad ND teams draw big ratings. They have a huge national fanbase and a lot of people who don't like them. Navy also has a big national following. Hell, it's the same reason that so many games between crappy NFC East teams get Nationally Broadcast. That draws ratings. As good as Tennessee and Arkansas were, they're still regional teams.
@@mfdixon1985, exactly
Of course, if I were the station manager or program director of a CBS affiliate, I would have had my station broadcast the Notre Dame-Navy game for the simple reason that I’ve never liked the Southeastern Conference.
Aside from the fact I hate the sec notre dame navy has much greater appeal. Both are national programs drawing interest from regular humans not just the dumbest poorest states.
I’m picking navy
I get it now Pearl Harbor
If you (Pearl) can't quite (Harbor) figure out (Naval) why this (Station) game was (Hickman) broadcast over (Field) the SEC (Air Force) game, then (Base) you don't know geography or history.
So sidenote: IF this “contractual obligation” was made it would also mean the Norfolk, VA…Miami, FL and San Diego, CA markets would ALSO be required to show the ND/Navy game. So it wasn’t JUST Hawaii… 🤔🫤