Hey Scott, this is Simi Gee's wife, Susan. I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your videos. Not only are they informative, you are such a gentleman and present yourself so sincerely. I really do feel as if you are a friend, and someone with whom we would like to have dinner or a drink. Keep up the fantastic videos of your travels!
I have a 2022 GL and can't believe the new ones still have that water center. That area WILL get wet no matter what you do and start to get mildew in the wood, rust on the metal, etc. I've caulked the crap out of mine and it's improved things, but it's still a really bad design. The windshield shade is interesting and I'd consider a retrofit, but it doesn't look like it even goes all the way to the top. Things WGO needs to do with the GL: * Make everything that can possibly run on DC, run on DC. The air conditioner uses a lot of juice and the conversion losses with the inverter don't help things. While I'm at it, I'd consider a split/ducted system to get that big thing off of the roof and increase clearance. * Use much better insulation methods. I've torn apart much of the driver side of mine (bed area, fridge, microwave, cabinet, above desk) to do some wiring and other improvements. The stock insulation is laughable and most of it had fallen/wasn't in place due to the poor adhesive that they use. The thermal loss is very noticeable on hot days and cold nights. * Improve the water center. There should be absolutely no wood or metal that can rust in that area. Use marine board or something else. * The bed frame/support system is not very good. My frame is cracked at the welds in a few places, and I'm not a heavy person. Also, the slat system isn't sufficient support for a foam mattress. I've put pegboard onto mine to make it more solid. I really wish mine had the old bed system. * Improve their build quality/tolerances. While taking mine apart I've seen all kinds of things - exposed wires due to sloppy crimps, screws not put in all the way or at weird angles, screws not biting into anything at all, etc. The microwave area has metal brackets behind the wood for screws to bite into. The top screws don't/can't align with those brackets so they're just going into the wood. The two screws at the bottom of my fridge aren't even biting into anything; they're barely grazing the wood. * Ensure their rigs don't leak from the factory. Mine had two leaks from day 1 (bathroom vent and passenger side headliner.) I've troubleshooted and fixed one of the leaks myself after dealers have failed to do so. The Travato G has a great layout. I would buy another WGO if they addressed the above, but I don't have faith that they will. If I ever get another camper van it's going to be from an outfitter that puts more care into their products.
I hate the additional seats. If this is for a solo traveler and only sleeps 2 I don't see needing more than 2 seats. Add additional storage space or maybe before out a way to make that a work area for somebody who might be working while on the road. While some might suggest it's for visiting in a class B I thinking any visiting going to be done outside not inside. Do you use that area much for visiting? I like the large refrigerator and that it has a drawer freezer.
The 2 deal breakers for me are 1) small fresh water tank, and 2) occasionally I like to treat myself to a campground with a water supply. There is no outside city water connection.
It's really easy to add a hose to the water system that can go outside to make it a city water connection. Several of us travato owners have done this mod. As you probably know this feature makes it more of a 4-season coach.
@@philc.9280 I just know I will not be camping when it’s freezing outside. And if I do it’s kinda crazy that I will have to leave my back door open to while I’m trying to fill my fresh tank as well as flush the blank for however many times I have to do it a week while it’s minus 10 out there.
@@audiesanchez2984 Like I said with the city water hose modification you don't have to open the back door anymore to fill the tanks. The travato is pretty well insulated and the new Truma hot water/furnace is really quiet and efficient to heat the inside during winter months.
This is one of the most thorough reviews ever. As an older single woman considering van life, I have no idea how to get started. You make it sound like it could actually be possible.
You and I share the love of a REAL bathroom with a flush toilet and a shower. I'm happy in our KL, with my tall husband, but if I were traveling single, you could probably talk me into a GL. It's our first experience with any kind of RV, and it was definitely the Volta system that attracted me.
Good review Scott. There are things I love about this floor plan, and things I'm not so fond of. Nothing hugely bad, just personal preference things, like I'd prefer the induction stove wasn't built in. You are fast getting me to understand the benefits of the "G" plan. Thanks for doing all the hard work!
Hello Scott, thank you for that useful video but 🙏🏻 please let me know something: For the same size (24ft) would a full loaded Class A better than Class B van (full time solo traveler who wants to park in any the street in any States) ??
I really wanted to like this model, I think the floorplan is smart and I made a point to see it at the Hershey PA show yesterday (9/15/23). But two things end up being big strikes for me. First, the dinette seating was shockingly uncomfortable. The seats were bolt upright and the padding was way more rigid than any plane's economy seat I've been on. As a solo traveller, this is where I'd expect to spend a lot of down time (without lying in bed), but if I wanted to kick back in the 59GL I'd probably opt for the front cab seating over the dinette, which kind of defeats the purpose. And second -- the bathroom, while agreed is very roomy, had a pretty low ceiling. At 6'0 (with thick-soled shoes on), I had to hunch over quite a bit to get in the bathroom. It's useable, just kind of disappointing, and I know the buyer's remorse would kick every time I saw a taller bathroom. Just wanted to raise these two points for anyone else that might have their eye on this model, taller people in particular.
I own a Travato GL and I'm 5'11" tall. Your concerns are valid. I work remotely from the back seats; they're definitely not very comfortable/loungy. Design-wise, this is my biggest complaint of the GL. The only place to kick back and relax is the bed. On the flip side, the seats are incentive for me to get up and walk around more often. I have to bend my knees when using the bathroom. Yeah, it sucks, but I barely use the bathroom. I use Planet Fitness, public restrooms, etc. 99% of the time. I've probably showered in mine less than 10 times after 2 years of ownership. The upside to this is that your (smallish) tanks last longer between fills/dumps.
@@itsme123669how much taller are you than the ceiling, do you estimate? And do you remove the wooden floor slats? Trying to figure out if my 5'10" husband would fit...
Great tour. Wish more vans used Volta. It is an amazing system. The awning windows are the best choice for any weather. Thanks for all of your hard work.
I have always loved the 59G floor plan but I don't like the changes they made to the two fronts seats either! Maybe they would eventually change it back due to the negative feed back from the customers!😊
Thanks for posting this. It’s very telling that after 5 years in a travato, you’d still get another one. Yeah, they don’t have the highest build quality and they did needlessly rearrange the door area, but you’re right, the layout is unique. It and the embassy are on my short list because I think they have floor plans I could set up to work in ( I code and use multiple monitors or one really big one). Part of me thinks the embassy would be better because there’s no black tank. So 4 season living would be easier. Since you’ve spent so much time in both, I’d love to hear your thoughts in that regard. Thx!
Great job describing the benefits of the G floor plan, Scott! I think you’ve helped prospective buyers visualize how they might use it in their journey.
We picked up a 23 G as my wife and I are on the smaller side so the floorplan worked for us. The K would have been ok too. I purposedly did not pick the Volta system as cool as it is because where we live, we don't often use AC nor the microwave. The few times it gets that hot the quiet inverter generator works great and barely uses much gas. We paid $115K which I heard was an outstanding price during a very slow period at the dealership. I'll eventually replace the AGM's with LiFePO4 batteries and add one more solar panel making it more energy independent. So far we've been pretty happy with the RV.
It would be wonderful if Embassy would adopt a similar floorpan. This way you could have all the Embassy benefits (no wood, no propane, no black tank, vastly superior quality, full four season, etc.), combined with a more useful layout.
I am usually not a commenter but I wanted to say over the last two years of research and deciding what RV/van I wanted, I wanted to say thank you Scott for your very informative videos! I was always looking to see if you had reviewed something I was interested in because I knew you would give me the info I was wanting to know! So thank you, you do a excellent job! As a solo traveler as well (well almost I have my pup) I was looking for many of the same things as you do and the Travato GL was at the top of the the list along with Coachmen Nova 20D but ultimately I went with the RoadTrek Zion because it had the lithium set up I wanted with no generator but at a little better price point then the GL, also I love the macerator so I can stand at my door and dump the nasties lol!! 😉Also love my fridge which is quite big for a van! I have to disagree with you on the colors on the Travato not a big fan of this wood color but I love my willow and white cabinets in my Zion!! 😊I also work from the road and I do wish I had that separate work space like the GL has but I am making it work with my couch in the Zion and using that TV for my second monitor! It truly is all about finding what works for you and deciding what you are willing to sacrifice for some things that are more important to you! Again thank you and keep plugging along and maybe I will run into you one of these days lol!! 😉Except I much prefer the small towns and the woods then the urban jungle! I will be going around the big cities haha!! 😃
Solo traveler, just upgraded to a 23G from a truck/trailer set up in July and I love it! I do plan to take out the back seats and make a more comfy bench to work at eventually but still no regrets! Thanks for your videos, definitely helped me make a decision.
I've been following you for over 2 years now. Went out looking for Travato info after my purchase and came across your channel. Always love your info and travels. I bought a used 2019 low mile 59k. After my first road trip series last year, I looked to trade up for a van with a Volta lithium package as I found the generator was limiting what I needed. I ended up finding (from a video on your channel) a place that could upgrade my van with lithium. It wasn't cheap, but this past years road trip for my work and channel was the most amazing upgrade I could have done. Even my wife agreed it's been the best and she has only been on 2 trips with me. We love being able to turn on the lithium package and allow the air conditioning run for our pups while away from the van, or even us doing stealth urban camping, or off grid camping. The lithium has been a game changer. Your channel really brought it to light for me. I enjoy your channel a lot. Thanks for bringing the info. Loving our Travato really. Love your channel 😊
The G is one of my favorite floorplans, I know I'm preaching to the choir but I do wish they would have kept the old puzzle bed and jumpseat and the old table - way more functional. The White cabinet with the dark wood looks really nice!
Great video. This is at the top of my list. I really appreciate you! What details are different on the new one from yours? I wondering if I should look at a used one.
Too many differences to list here but the big things are the bathroom interior height, the front room, and the water inputs on the inside of the cargo door for a few
Have a Solis PX hardtop and LOVE the garage space and being able to keep the Murphy bed up during the day to add to spaciousness. Love the 4 living areas, as you discuss. (But darn, my bathroom is small and I do have galley envy! 😁)
I agree with you 100% I saw this at the show in Hartford and the shower is amazing but yours is much better you have to jump seat and you have more height in your shower I do like the engineering of the front seat forward. I was wondering can you remove the jump seat from your van and the extension and put it into a new 59 g? Because I'm traveling permanently too and I haven't even found any of your year and style and I'm looking to buy a new and I know Nick has a lot of these in Gainesville.... Always enjoy your work Scott.Be well stay safe.Gregg Savage
Hi from Ohio. I perfer this floor plan, but I can't do the black tank drain. I can not get down on the ground. That is why I am really considering the Solis PX. Just don't like the no lithium and tge small refrigerator.
Cool, but it is NOT a bidet hose. Its purpose it to help clean the toilet bowl because the RV toilet flush is not as efficient as a residential toilet flush. However, if you like cold water sprayed on you bottom it could be used as a bidet
The G model had the perfect layout in older models before they screwed up the front and took out the booth seating. Being able to have an extra bed up front was a big selling point, I don't know why they took it out.
Most important Vanlife travel space? I work while on the road so the most important space is office space. Space for large monitor(s), solid countertop.
Hi Scott The Pamaramic B van has similar floor plan with the front great room. If you haven't seen one you should check them out. The bath is on the side but it is spacious for a side bath and has a nice window in the bath. The bed is latger close to a queen bed. Thank you for the great tour!😊
Panoramic has done a good job responding to requests for a bigger battery, more solar and more efficient a/c, but obviously not a Volta system, if that is a must-have.
Thanks Scott! Being brand new, I’m now going on my 3rd trip and learning as I go in my 2020 Travato 59G, (no lithium…boohoo) -I was so anxious to get started that when I found my van (there weren’t many used available) and nabbed it. I liked the two twin beds in the K version, but just couldn’t do the rear bath. I need garage space! Where do ppl with the K put all their stuff?? ANYWAY, every time I watch one of your tours of our 59G, I am so affirmed and double-happy I bought my 59G! Thanks again for being my inspiration!! ox
Good informative video, thanks. I wish mfg.'s like Winnebago could make their products more a la carte, and allow to remove or add components. We would love a laveo toilet, and order without toilet and black tank, etc...
Within a few years, I hope to be retired and 80% full time solo. Here are my Libation Live comments . Currently, It is between GL and EKKO. For GL, I like the whole Urban Cowboy and versatility. Pretty much never have to worry about parking. With EKKO, I like the garage (especially for Ebike that I don’t want external storage.), plus more internal room. What will I do with it?. Everything and all of the above, so I lean EKKO. Jayco just came out with copycat Granite Ridge, which has a Lounge like #1 @thefitrv . Big plus. But it should have, in my view, differentiated itself with black tank instead of Cassette. As for GL floor plan, it is time for Grech, Pleasure way and Coachmen to explore. We need competition. As for Embassy, as impressive as they are, I’m not going compost or diaper genie; plus I want to open windows. Thanks Scott. I agree with you. I can’t understand why your channel does not have more subscribers, while other RV channels have too much rah-rah, blah-blah and whah-whah.
We have a 2005 Roadtrek 170 which works but is very cramped for 2 people. Just got back from a nice 9 day trip to South Dakota. I'd love to upgrade to a Travato 59G only downside is it wouldn't fit in our garage.
Great job on the tour...seems you've made your peace with the bathroom height. Was hoping they would do something about that. Just wondering if one small, folding e-bike could fit under the bed with it down? One might work on the rack outside but rather not temp thieves while in urban areas.
Have you ever done a video on the Panoramic RV vans? While the floorplan is quite different, I think it is also very similar in key ways to the Travato 59G.
Yes! Fingers crossed there. may be a pop top option is added before we get ours probably next summer, but not holding my breath. I imagine gross vehicle weight may have something to do with it.
My favorite lay out too. Do you have a video on the Volta? How long can one run the fridge without the AC running? Do you like the insulation of your rig on cold weather?
Hi Paul. In DC direct current mode (inverter not on) I can run DC comments including fridge freezer for about 5 days without charing or shore power. the insulation in my Travato is not great; Winnebago is doing a better job now I am told
Does a 59G floor plan allow the driver seat to slide back more than the 59K? We rented a 2018 59K & I found the driving position to be cramped for my legs. We are planning on renting a 59G in the spring to try that layout. It has the older dinette area like yours which looks like a better layout.
If you pay more than 100000 for a live in RV, you paid too much. They are pretty but they don't stand up to living conditions. Build one, it's cheaper and stronger 💪
You are wrong , frankly, the point of vanlife travel is discovery. most any van will give your more joy that sitting in your house watching TH-cam about vanlife. if you plan to build you own van, beset wishes to you sir
A new bare van cost 57 to 67 thousand dollars. Then add 600 amp hrs of lithium batteries, a second alternator, charger controller, pure sine inverter, fuse and breaker boxes, wiring harness, floor, ceiling and roof insulation, floor ceiling and roof panels, lighting and switches, heating system, fresh water tank, gray water tank, black tank, hush mat walls, cabinets, beds, table cabinets, sink toilet, water pump , install water file and dump station plumbing, AC, have fun getting under 100k on your DIY. But if you want to put a couple of camp cots in and empty van with a bucket to poop in. Then you can get under 100K.
A bigger bathroom would be brilliant in my space, its just about manageable now, but van is only 6m / 19.7ft. Personally i love the style of your murphy bed, rather than the newer style, and of course the lagun table mounts and thinner table. I have a Burstner City Car, transverse bed, nice living area, and recently fitted lithium ❤
Thanks for another very descriptive and real life and use video. Tell me though, didn't Winnebago miss the boat (a bit) by not allowing use of the Nautalis from the outside. The back door must be open to fill water and once closed, the owner has to listen to the water pump when using the van. Is the water pump in this unit "whisper quiet?" I hear every reviewer drive by this choice by Winnebago as a "four season feature" when in fact for 3 seasons of the year (even here in Canada) if used a lot this definitely would be an annoyance at a minimum. Your thoughts from actually using it? Thanks and keep up the good videos
if you are a single Traveler taking three showers per week and using the bathroom on a regular basis how often would you have to service the water tank?
I really love this layout, but hate hate that it has those two extra seat. Imo it's a waste of space. Its a one maybe two person rig. Also Ram needs 360 camera view.
Blown away people are buying these @ $197K MSRP. That’s $70k more than just a few years ago for the same spec. Stack on top that - Winnebago are shite boxes. For the same dough look at LTV or PW.
Razor, no one pays the stupid high MSRP. Lop 20% to 40% of MSRP. BTW, my Winnebago Travato has 120,000 miles on it after I have been LIVING in my Travato FULL-TIME for 4.5 years. Near ZERO problems with my Winnebago build out since 5 years of ownership
For $200,000 (or relatively close to it) I would go with a 2024 Leisure Travel Van. $190,000. Especially if you are planning to live it it for a length of time. Comfort and space is everything. And you get that with Leisure. This Winnebago just seemed so cramped and uncomfortable. I could see if it were $100,000 less the Leisure, but it’s not. If you want something comparable to the Leisure but $100,000 less is the 2024 BT Cruiser. You get lots of comfort and living space compared to this Winnebago. I have to say Winnebago is seriously disappointing in the design and functionality area. Quite surprisingly as they have paved the way a leading company in the industry for decades. Really falling short nowadays. I’m sorry to say, but it is true and must be said.
The BT Cruiser looks to be quite a bit larger than a Promaster/Travato and it "looks like an RV." I can stealth camp in lots of places in my Travato, and I've stayed in some campgrounds and driven some roads which don't allow vehicles over certain length/widths. The maneuverability, gas mileage, and parking options are excellent on Promasters.
Solo traveler does not need four seats. He/she needs one. Or maybe two. Waste of space. You need a working space for computer or what ever. No sofa-style seats. They ruin your back.
You mentioned that you purchased your similar van in 2018. It would be very useful to know what the resale value for your van would be after 5 years of use.
IMHO the new cabinet handles are problematic, just waiting for someone to snag something, maybe even a body part on their hook-like projections. They should go back to the old ones.
I have the new ones, have lived in my GL for 1+ year, and have had 0 problems with catching anything on the cabinet handles. I'm very prone to hit my head on the door of the cabinet above the stove if I'm not vigilant about closing it, but that's the door itself.
How is it that for solo vanlife, there are 4 seats? You are going to dedicate so many cubic feet of interior space for something that you profess you will not use. It is solo. Let the guests sit on the floor.
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Scott you look very familiar. Did you work in Nashville?
Hey Scott, this is Simi Gee's wife, Susan. I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your videos. Not only are they informative, you are such a gentleman and present yourself so sincerely. I really do feel as if you are a friend, and someone with whom we would like to have dinner or a drink. Keep up the fantastic videos of your travels!
Thanks a ton for your very nice comment. Simi Gee is a lucky man to have you
This is it Scott. I now must find a used one - 2021-2024.
I have a 2022 GL and can't believe the new ones still have that water center. That area WILL get wet no matter what you do and start to get mildew in the wood, rust on the metal, etc. I've caulked the crap out of mine and it's improved things, but it's still a really bad design.
The windshield shade is interesting and I'd consider a retrofit, but it doesn't look like it even goes all the way to the top.
Things WGO needs to do with the GL:
* Make everything that can possibly run on DC, run on DC. The air conditioner uses a lot of juice and the conversion losses with the inverter don't help things. While I'm at it, I'd consider a split/ducted system to get that big thing off of the roof and increase clearance.
* Use much better insulation methods. I've torn apart much of the driver side of mine (bed area, fridge, microwave, cabinet, above desk) to do some wiring and other improvements. The stock insulation is laughable and most of it had fallen/wasn't in place due to the poor adhesive that they use. The thermal loss is very noticeable on hot days and cold nights.
* Improve the water center. There should be absolutely no wood or metal that can rust in that area. Use marine board or something else.
* The bed frame/support system is not very good. My frame is cracked at the welds in a few places, and I'm not a heavy person. Also, the slat system isn't sufficient support for a foam mattress. I've put pegboard onto mine to make it more solid. I really wish mine had the old bed system.
* Improve their build quality/tolerances. While taking mine apart I've seen all kinds of things - exposed wires due to sloppy crimps, screws not put in all the way or at weird angles, screws not biting into anything at all, etc. The microwave area has metal brackets behind the wood for screws to bite into. The top screws don't/can't align with those brackets so they're just going into the wood. The two screws at the bottom of my fridge aren't even biting into anything; they're barely grazing the wood.
* Ensure their rigs don't leak from the factory. Mine had two leaks from day 1 (bathroom vent and passenger side headliner.) I've troubleshooted and fixed one of the leaks myself after dealers have failed to do so.
The Travato G has a great layout. I would buy another WGO if they addressed the above, but I don't have faith that they will. If I ever get another camper van it's going to be from an outfitter that puts more care into their products.
If only Embassy RV had this floorplan ....
Thanks for sharing
I hate the additional seats. If this is for a solo traveler and only sleeps 2 I don't see needing more than 2 seats. Add additional storage space or maybe before out a way to make that a work area for somebody who might be working while on the road. While some might suggest it's for visiting in a class B I thinking any visiting going to be done outside not inside.
Do you use that area much for visiting?
I like the large refrigerator and that it has a drawer freezer.
The 2 deal breakers for me are 1) small fresh water tank, and 2) occasionally I like to treat myself to a campground with a water supply. There is no outside city water connection.
Yep totally agree and they are still doing this awful design for 2024!
It's really easy to add a hose to the water system that can go outside to make it a city water connection. Several of us travato owners have done this mod. As you probably know this feature makes it more of a 4-season coach.
@@philc.9280 I just know I will not be camping when it’s freezing outside. And if I do it’s kinda crazy that I will have to leave my back door open to while I’m trying to fill my fresh tank as well as flush the blank for however many times I have to do it a week while it’s minus 10 out there.
@@audiesanchez2984 Like I said with the city water hose modification you don't have to open the back door anymore to fill the tanks. The travato is pretty well insulated and the new Truma hot water/furnace is really quiet and efficient to heat the inside during winter months.
@@philc.9280 Is this mod described in a video that you could provide a link to?
This is one of the most thorough reviews ever. As an older single woman considering van life, I have no idea how to get started. You make it sound like it could actually be possible.
It’s easier than you think
You and I share the love of a REAL bathroom with a flush toilet and a shower. I'm happy in our KL, with my tall husband, but if I were traveling single, you could probably talk me into a GL. It's our first experience with any kind of RV, and it was definitely the Volta system that attracted me.
Thanks for sharing
Good review Scott. There are things I love about this floor plan, and things I'm not so fond of. Nothing hugely bad, just personal preference things, like I'd prefer the induction stove wasn't built in.
You are fast getting me to understand the benefits of the "G" plan. Thanks for doing all the hard work!
Thanks as always for sharing
Hello Scott, thank you for that useful video but 🙏🏻 please let me know something: For the same size (24ft) would a full loaded Class A better than Class B van (full time solo traveler who wants to park in any the street in any States) ??
I really wanted to like this model, I think the floorplan is smart and I made a point to see it at the Hershey PA show yesterday (9/15/23). But two things end up being big strikes for me.
First, the dinette seating was shockingly uncomfortable. The seats were bolt upright and the padding was way more rigid than any plane's economy seat I've been on. As a solo traveller, this is where I'd expect to spend a lot of down time (without lying in bed), but if I wanted to kick back in the 59GL I'd probably opt for the front cab seating over the dinette, which kind of defeats the purpose.
And second -- the bathroom, while agreed is very roomy, had a pretty low ceiling. At 6'0 (with thick-soled shoes on), I had to hunch over quite a bit to get in the bathroom. It's useable, just kind of disappointing, and I know the buyer's remorse would kick every time I saw a taller bathroom.
Just wanted to raise these two points for anyone else that might have their eye on this model, taller people in particular.
I own a Travato GL and I'm 5'11" tall. Your concerns are valid. I work remotely from the back seats; they're definitely not very comfortable/loungy. Design-wise, this is my biggest complaint of the GL. The only place to kick back and relax is the bed. On the flip side, the seats are incentive for me to get up and walk around more often.
I have to bend my knees when using the bathroom. Yeah, it sucks, but I barely use the bathroom. I use Planet Fitness, public restrooms, etc. 99% of the time. I've probably showered in mine less than 10 times after 2 years of ownership. The upside to this is that your (smallish) tanks last longer between fills/dumps.
@@itsme123669how much taller are you than the ceiling, do you estimate? And do you remove the wooden floor slats? Trying to figure out if my 5'10" husband would fit...
This for sharing V
Great tour. Wish more vans used Volta. It is an amazing system. The awning windows are the best choice for any weather. Thanks for all of your hard work.
Our pleasure!
I love it!! The beautiful colors,wood and the contrast of white. Looks like quality workmanship 💕 thanks for sharing.
One more thing loves a nice size refrigerator, and freezer on the bottom
Thanks for watching
Thanks for all your info, im 70 and going full RV next March 2024
That is awesome!
I have always loved the 59G floor plan but I don't like the changes they made to the two fronts seats either! Maybe they would eventually change it back due to the negative feed back from the customers!😊
and the now flimsy tiny table which i could hardly fit my laptop. sigh.
Seats seem too upright and uncomfortable for a long travel.
And removed the bed for a 3rd person
I totally agree!
Thanks for posting this. It’s very telling that after 5 years in a travato, you’d still get another one. Yeah, they don’t have the highest build quality and they did needlessly rearrange the door area, but you’re right, the layout is unique.
It and the embassy are on my short list because I think they have floor plans I could set up to work in ( I code and use multiple monitors or one really big one). Part of me thinks the embassy would be better because there’s no black tank. So 4 season living would be easier. Since you’ve spent so much time in both, I’d love to hear your thoughts in that regard.
Thx!
Scott you are getting me interested in this class B. I like the bed out of the way. Like the front lounge and the 4 different spaces.
Right on!
Great job describing the benefits of the G floor plan, Scott! I think you’ve helped prospective buyers visualize how they might use it in their journey.
Glad it was helpful!
We picked up a 23 G as my wife and I are on the smaller side so the floorplan worked for us. The K would have been ok too. I purposedly did not pick the Volta system as cool as it is because where we live, we don't often use AC nor the microwave. The few times it gets that hot the quiet inverter generator works great and barely uses much gas. We paid $115K which I heard was an outstanding price during a very slow period at the dealership. I'll eventually replace the AGM's with LiFePO4 batteries and add one more solar panel making it more energy independent. So far we've been pretty happy with the RV.
Thrilled you are happy Phil
It would be wonderful if Embassy would adopt a similar floorpan. This way you could have all the Embassy benefits (no wood, no propane, no black tank, vastly superior quality, full four season, etc.), combined with a more useful layout.
I like your thinking
Totally agree the G is great for a solo traveler. I think the K works better for 2.
Right on
Gorgeous! This is my favorite floor plan! I’ll take it!!!!!😃👍🏽❤️
right on
I love my GL as a solo. I wouldn’t trade it for any different floor plan.
I completely understand
I am usually not a commenter but I wanted to say over the last two years of research and deciding what RV/van I wanted, I wanted to say thank you Scott for your very informative videos! I was always looking to see if you had reviewed something I was interested in because I knew you would give me the info I was wanting to know! So thank you, you do a excellent job! As a solo traveler as well (well almost I have my pup) I was looking for many of the same things as you do and the Travato GL was at the top of the the list along with Coachmen Nova 20D but ultimately I went with the RoadTrek Zion because it had the lithium set up I wanted with no generator but at a little better price point then the GL, also I love the macerator so I can stand at my door and dump the nasties lol!! 😉Also love my fridge which is quite big for a van! I have to disagree with you on the colors on the Travato not a big fan of this wood color but I love my willow and white cabinets in my Zion!! 😊I also work from the road and I do wish I had that separate work space like the GL has but I am making it work with my couch in the Zion and using that TV for my second monitor! It truly is all about finding what works for you and deciding what you are willing to sacrifice for some things that are more important to you! Again thank you and keep plugging along and maybe I will run into you one of these days lol!! 😉Except I much prefer the small towns and the woods then the urban jungle! I will be going around the big cities haha!! 😃
Congrats on your road tteck Zion. Super happy you have your journey on
@@gosmall.livelarge Thank you me too! ☺ Just did a north woods fall tour - it was the best!! 😍
Great tour, especially the part where you do a detailed counting of the seats. Never would have figured that out on my own.
Happy to help you out Joe
Thanks! In the next tour maybe you could count the wheels? I always have trouble figuring that out too. @@gosmall.livelarge
We have a 59G. Best ever. Totally agee with you
Right on
Good review Scott. This floor works on many levels. It's still at the top.
Very true!
Solo traveler, just upgraded to a 23G from a truck/trailer set up in July and I love it! I do plan to take out the back seats and make a more comfy bench to work at eventually but still no regrets! Thanks for your videos, definitely helped me make a decision.
That is awesome!
Thanks Scott - good to see this year's version. I love the cabinet treatments this year. I still miss the old living bed arrangement.
right on
I've been following you for over 2 years now. Went out looking for Travato info after my purchase and came across your channel. Always love your info and travels. I bought a used 2019 low mile 59k. After my first road trip series last year, I looked to trade up for a van with a Volta lithium package as I found the generator was limiting what I needed. I ended up finding (from a video on your channel) a place that could upgrade my van with lithium. It wasn't cheap, but this past years road trip for my work and channel was the most amazing upgrade I could have done. Even my wife agreed it's been the best and she has only been on 2 trips with me. We love being able to turn on the lithium package and allow the air conditioning run for our pups while away from the van, or even us doing stealth urban camping, or off grid camping. The lithium has been a game changer. Your channel really brought it to light for me. I enjoy your channel a lot. Thanks for bringing the info. Loving our Travato really. Love your channel 😊
Thx for your thoutghful comment Mark
@@gosmall.livelarge my pleasure and thank you for your content 😊
The G is one of my favorite floorplans, I know I'm preaching to the choir but I do wish they would have kept the old puzzle bed and jumpseat and the old table - way more functional. The White cabinet with the dark wood looks really nice!
Yes, yes and yes! Don’t know how they come up with these bad designs. Oh yeah, cut corners.
I totally agree!
Great video. This is at the top of my list. I really appreciate you! What details are different on the new one from yours? I wondering if I should look at a used one.
Too many differences to list here but the big things are the bathroom interior height, the front room, and the water inputs on the inside of the cargo door for a few
Will Definitely be Checking these out NEXT
Hi Cheryl
informative vid scott... always a good job.
Glad you enjoyed it
Like the length of bathroom. I’d get rid of curtain also. I have mobility issue so being able to sit on toilet while bathing it a plus for me.
thx for that
Thanks for the Video you did an Excellent job down to earth you covered it very well keep it up understood everything very well.😎😇
Thx James
I love this floor plan. I wish you could get it on the Ford transit Awd. Do you know if you have the option of a propane cook top?
I also wish you could have the option of a cassette toilet. With no black tank, maybe you could get a bigger fresh water tank.
Not possible. Both the Transit and Sprinter are several inches narrower than the Promaster, and the bed is barely wide enough as it is.
Propane cooktop comes on the NON-LITHIUM Volta version. If Volta Pure3 equipped :) the induction cooktop is included
Have a Solis PX hardtop and LOVE the garage space and being able to keep the Murphy bed up during the day to add to spaciousness. Love the 4 living areas, as you discuss. (But darn, my bathroom is small and I do have galley envy! 😁)
Very nice!
I agree with you 100% I saw this at the show in Hartford and the shower is amazing but yours is much better you have to jump seat and you have more height in your shower I do like the engineering of the front seat forward. I was wondering can you remove the jump seat from your van and the extension and put it into a new 59 g? Because I'm traveling permanently too and I haven't even found any of your year and style and I'm looking to buy a new and I know Nick has a lot of these in Gainesville.... Always enjoy your work Scott.Be well stay safe.Gregg Savage
Thx Gregg
Hi from Ohio. I perfer this floor plan, but I can't do the black tank drain. I can not get down on the ground. That is why I am really considering the Solis PX. Just don't like the no lithium and tge small refrigerator.
Thanks for sharing
Love our 2021 Travato GL floor plan. Highly recommend Winnebago Motor Homes of Rockford, IL.
Yes !!! Discovery
Great review!!!! Thank you!
My pleasure!
Scott, next time please show a close up and how the bidet works next to the toilet. That's important for a lot of folks! Good review!
Cool, but it is NOT a bidet hose. Its purpose it to help clean the toilet bowl because the RV toilet flush is not as efficient as a residential toilet flush. However, if you like cold water sprayed on you bottom it could be used as a bidet
@@gosmall.livelarge Ahh, ok. Thanks!
I’m originally from Rockford. What a small world!
Rockford Illinois !a
Hey Scott...maybe add the link or thumbnail to your and my van comparison...that may help out the newbies as well.
Great idea
The G model had the perfect layout in older models before they screwed up the front and took out the booth seating. Being able to have an extra bed up front was a big selling point, I don't know why they took it out.
Most important Vanlife travel space? I work while on the road so the most important space is office space. Space for large monitor(s), solid countertop.
Good to know
Hi Scott
The Pamaramic B van has similar floor plan with the front great room. If you haven't seen one you should check them out. The bath is on the side but it is spacious for a side bath and has a nice window in the bath. The bed is latger close to a queen bed. Thank you for the great tour!😊
Panoramic has done a good job responding to requests for a bigger battery, more solar and more efficient a/c, but obviously not a Volta system, if that is a must-have.
Panoramic makes a great Van
Thanks Scott! Being brand new, I’m now going on my 3rd trip and learning as I go in my 2020 Travato 59G, (no lithium…boohoo) -I was so anxious to get started that when I found my van (there weren’t many used available) and nabbed it. I liked the two twin beds in the K version, but just couldn’t do the rear bath. I need garage space! Where do ppl with the K put all their stuff?? ANYWAY, every time I watch one of your tours of our 59G, I am so affirmed and double-happy I bought my 59G! Thanks again for being my inspiration!! ox
Thrilled that the GSLL community helped you make your aweseom decision !
Good informative video, thanks. I wish mfg.'s like Winnebago could make their products more a la carte, and allow to remove or add components. We would love a laveo toilet, and order without toilet and black tank, etc...
check out EmbassyRV.com for that things you list
Within a few years, I hope to be retired and 80% full time solo. Here are my Libation Live comments . Currently, It is between GL and EKKO. For GL, I like the whole Urban Cowboy and versatility. Pretty much never have to worry about parking. With EKKO, I like the garage (especially for Ebike that I don’t want external storage.), plus more internal room. What will I do with it?. Everything and all of the above, so I lean EKKO. Jayco just came out with copycat Granite Ridge, which has a Lounge like #1 @thefitrv . Big plus. But it should have, in my view, differentiated itself with black tank instead of Cassette. As for GL floor plan, it is time for Grech, Pleasure way and Coachmen to explore. We need competition. As for Embassy, as impressive as they are, I’m not going compost or diaper genie; plus I want to open windows. Thanks Scott. I agree with you. I can’t understand why your channel does not have more subscribers, while other RV channels have too much rah-rah, blah-blah and whah-whah.
Much appreciate your comment
We have a 2005 Roadtrek 170 which works but is very cramped for 2 people. Just got back from a nice 9 day trip to South Dakota. I'd love to upgrade to a Travato 59G only downside is it wouldn't fit in our garage.
Very glad you got to explore South Dakota
gotta love that shower!!! :)
Yes indeed
Great job on the tour...seems you've made your peace with the bathroom height. Was hoping they would do something about that. Just wondering if one small, folding e-bike could fit under the bed with it down? One might work on the rack outside but rather not temp thieves while in urban areas.
thx :)
A lot of changes on the GL. Pretty nice.
Hi Sherrian n Mike
Have you ever done a video on the Panoramic RV vans? While the floorplan is quite different, I think it is also very similar in key ways to the Travato 59G.
Absolutely love this floorplan. Just really wish there was a pop top option. As a small family, we would need the extra sleeping space.
Solis for you !
Yes! Fingers crossed there. may be a pop top option is added before we get ours probably next summer, but not holding my breath. I imagine gross vehicle weight may have something to do with it.
Love it
Right on
Am looking for an older travato for the “great room” design. The new design does nothing for me.
Same here and it seems they are ignoring customers feedback.
I totally understand
My favorite lay out too. Do you have a video on the Volta? How long can one run the fridge without the AC running? Do you like the insulation of your rig on cold weather?
Hi Paul. In DC direct current mode (inverter not on) I can run DC comments including fridge freezer for about 5 days without charing or shore power. the insulation in my Travato is not great; Winnebago is doing a better job now I am told
Thank you Scott.
Does a 59G floor plan allow the driver seat to slide back more than the 59K? We rented a 2018 59K & I found the driving position to be cramped for my legs. We are planning on renting a 59G in the spring to try that layout. It has the older dinette area like yours which looks like a better layout.
Do you find the small holding tank sizes an issue when traveling in yours? Seems like you would have to dump every other day or so.
If I'm doing everything in mine (SSS) I get 2-3 days between fills/dumps.
I use my toilet thoroughly and I empty tanks about every six or seven days
I really like the GL floor plan but which WBGO wouldn’t have eliminated the puzzle bed. Thanks, Scott!
I am with you on that Bill
If you pay more than 100000 for a live in RV, you paid too much. They are pretty but they don't stand up to living conditions. Build one, it's cheaper and stronger 💪
You are wrong , frankly, the point of vanlife travel is discovery. most any van will give your more joy that sitting in your house watching TH-cam about vanlife. if you plan to build you own van, beset wishes to you sir
“Build one” lol you say it so conveniently as if everyone as the time and know how to do that
these are 150k
A new bare van cost 57 to 67 thousand dollars. Then add 600 amp hrs of lithium batteries, a second alternator, charger controller, pure sine inverter, fuse and breaker boxes, wiring harness, floor, ceiling and roof insulation, floor ceiling and roof panels, lighting and switches, heating system, fresh water tank, gray water tank, black tank, hush mat walls, cabinets, beds, table cabinets, sink toilet, water pump , install water file and dump station plumbing, AC, have fun getting under 100k on your DIY. But if you want to put a couple of camp cots in and empty van with a bucket to poop in. Then you can get under 100K.
I have to agree. My 1700 sq ft house cost less. And it has 3 toilets that don't have to be pumped out. It's absurd what Class B vans go for.
With FOUR separate living spaces in this 21’ camper van conversion, what is your most important Vanlife travel space?
A bigger bathroom would be brilliant in my space, its just about manageable now, but van is only 6m / 19.7ft. Personally i love the style of your murphy bed, rather than the newer style, and of course the lagun table mounts and thinner table. I have a Burstner City Car, transverse bed, nice living area, and recently fitted lithium ❤
Thanks for another very descriptive and real life and use video.
Tell me though, didn't Winnebago miss the boat (a bit) by not allowing use of the Nautalis from the outside. The back door must be open to fill water and once closed, the owner has to listen to the water pump when using the van. Is the water pump in this unit "whisper quiet?"
I hear every reviewer drive by this choice by Winnebago as a "four season feature" when in fact for 3 seasons of the year (even here in Canada) if used a lot this definitely would be an annoyance at a minimum.
Your thoughts from actually using it?
Thanks and keep up the good videos
i always use the water pump. hearing it work reminds me to conserve
Where would you put a CPAP machine in that bed area?
On the mattress next you you Carol
No shades for front side windowa?
I think those are included
if you are a single Traveler taking three showers per week and using the bathroom on a regular basis how often would you have to service the water tank?
once per week is what I do for Tank Duty
who did the 3in lift on your travato
Off Highway Van in Salt Lake City
Does Winnebago make a model with a 2-bicycle garage?
Look at Solis
Or revel
Do any people take out the passenger chair to allow for
I use my passenger seat as a storage area with a shelf on the seat.
I would like to see a 2024 pop to version.
The Travato has a lot of stuff on the roof (solar panels, air conditioner, roof rack, an antenna) so that's unlikely.
thx
Two small for us two! But nice rig! 👌👍
Thanks 👍
My father in law loved to say in his van he could Shit, shave and shower in one spot was great lol lol
He was so right !
You could add a jump seat
Right on
Beautiful would love one,, it that price tho,, ouch
I would rip out the 2 back seats. Your van is much better back seat set up, with being able to make a second bed
thx for that
Definitely lithium!
Why do you have 3 beds for a solo travel van?
I really love this layout, but hate hate that it has those two extra seat. Imo it's a waste of space. Its a one maybe two person rig. Also Ram needs 360 camera view.
Thx King
Hi Scott! How much would you realistically pay for this van? $150K?
Less than that
Yes! Actually I have one right now for sale for just under $150K, and that’s a blow out price.
Blown away people are buying these @ $197K MSRP. That’s $70k more than just a few years ago for the same spec. Stack on top that - Winnebago are shite boxes. For the same dough look at LTV or PW.
Razor, no one pays the stupid high MSRP. Lop 20% to 40% of MSRP. BTW, my Winnebago Travato has 120,000 miles on it after I have been LIVING in my Travato FULL-TIME for 4.5 years. Near ZERO problems with my Winnebago build out since 5 years of ownership
I've been watching your videos and find a very informative but you really really need a better camera
Better camera to what end? Better focus. More distance from camera? please explain
Anything CLOSE to that price is insane.
Where’s the bottle opener?
In the drawer
For $200,000 (or relatively close to it) I would go with a 2024 Leisure Travel Van. $190,000. Especially if you are planning to live it it for a length of time. Comfort and space is everything. And you get that with Leisure. This Winnebago just seemed so cramped and uncomfortable. I could see if it were $100,000 less the Leisure, but it’s not. If you want something comparable to the Leisure but $100,000 less is the 2024 BT Cruiser. You get lots of comfort and living space compared to this Winnebago. I have to say Winnebago is seriously disappointing in the design and functionality area. Quite surprisingly as they have paved the way a leading company in the industry for decades. Really falling short nowadays. I’m sorry to say, but it is true and must be said.
The BT Cruiser looks to be quite a bit larger than a Promaster/Travato and it "looks like an RV." I can stealth camp in lots of places in my Travato, and I've stayed in some campgrounds and driven some roads which don't allow vehicles over certain length/widths. The maneuverability, gas mileage, and parking options are excellent on Promasters.
thx Kris
I think the bed looks very industrial and not homey at all when is up. They should ave figured out a more aesthetically pleasing solution .
agree with you
How much??
$196k MSRP, but do not pay that, no one does. Call Mick at Winnebago Motor Homes in Rockford IL for his best price
@gosmall.livelarge I wouldn't pay that. Lol been researching a while now. Thank you
200K for a van? ...do they have mortgage brokers at the dealership?
MSRP is a price no one pays
So i guess this is not an all season rv since the tanks are outside,bummer.
Right, the tanks have warmers, for true 4-season is iffy IMHO
Solo traveler does not need four seats. He/she needs one. Or maybe two. Waste of space. You need a working space for computer or what ever. No sofa-style seats. They ruin your back.
Thx for that
Holy balls, buy a whole apartment for that price!
No one pays MSRP
If it’s good “solo” van, why does it need 4 seats?
Penny !
No cassette toilet....need deeper sink...sleep head is in the coldest part of the van with no heat ducts going to the back...
Thx Bass
When did Al Gore start giving van tours?
Who is Al Gore ? thx for watching :)
@@gosmall.livelarge Vice President of the United States under Bill Clinton lol. Your welcome.
You mentioned that you purchased your similar van in 2018. It would be very useful to know what the resale value for your van would be after 5 years of use.
Al Gore got a new job?
LOL
IMHO the new cabinet handles are problematic, just waiting for someone to snag something, maybe even a body part on their hook-like projections. They should go back to the old ones.
I have the new ones, have lived in my GL for 1+ year, and have had 0 problems with catching anything on the cabinet handles. I'm very prone to hit my head on the door of the cabinet above the stove if I'm not vigilant about closing it, but that's the door itself.
That's good @@itsme123669
Hi Noah
How is it that for solo vanlife, there are 4 seats? You are going to dedicate so many cubic feet of interior space for something that you profess you will not use. It is solo. Let the guests sit on the floor.
Not sure I follow, but thanks for watching