Vulkan is faster than OpenGL because its new gen of graphics API which more low-level and have async command queues when OpenGL works only in single thread Additionally Vulkan uses much less CPU then OpenGL If Minecraft devs will add native Vulkan API support I think it will boost performance But now we have only one mod which written in Java and as a result we still have low performance because its mod Its not a native Vulkan API support
What you said is partially true, but the reason it would be faster is not because it wouldn't be a mod, but because it would be better developed with the power of the full Mojang team. Both the mod and Minecraft are written in Java. This mod is literally replacing the Minecraft renderer. The only overhead from it being a mod is on startup
@@aetimes2It will be possible to add RTX. And everything else can also be optimized over time for several processor cores. Sorry for mistakes, my English is bad
@@emperorgalaxy4495 Adding shader support (including raytracing/rtx shaders) and optimization is definitely something VulkanMod is working on (and something that has been done by the community before with Sodium and Iris for OpenGL)
@@aetimes2 Interestingly, and mojangs will be interested in acquiring this mod, it was very cool because this mod would give not only RTX but also a new generation of shaders.
Honestly, this is just incredible. Imagine if Mojang had changed their rendering engine. I'm afraid they would need to redo the whole game including the mod loaders changing their API. But so far, this is a giant leap for the modding community. My Ryzen 5 2600 can finally have a bit of rest while playing Minecraft and rather let my GTX 1650 struggle. Steam Deck can definitely take this huge advantage over Vulkan.
Yeah. OptiFine is no longer your #1 option to optimize your game anymore. The Sodium became a new OptiFine. The only thing I don't like is that the OpenGL is being used as it's single-threaded and pretty outdated. Imagine if Vulkan's graphics API was baked into the game by Mojang. Of course, the compatibility would be an issue for some older systems, but the CPU would be less stressed out.
Considering Vulkan Renderer is still in alpha and how hard is it to write a Vulkan program (let alone rewrite existing OpenGL), I can only say I'm impressed!
I haven't read the code of vulkan mod but vulkan can only get you so far in terms of performance if you don't use it for performance. It is also easy to mess up (accidentally setting a buffer to host visible, for example) which can easily lead to performance losses. Sodium also optimises other parts of the game, not necessarily the graphics. The two mods have a somewhat different purpose and vulkan mod (assuming the use of vulkan is correct) would absolutely provide a far greater performance increase.
The vulkan renderer has fewer glitches with transparent textures and renders the shading on dirt paths correctly. In my case (integrated amd graphics, linux/wayland) sodium still gets better performance (even though a lot of people report the vulkan renderer beats sodium in their case), but vulkan is still leaps and bounds better than vanilla. I use the Vulkan renderer because the performance is good enough and it doesn't have the glitches sodium does.
Not going to lie every new version i keep praying mojang will add LOD to Java and give each version Vulkan renderer, That would make porting mods to that new version absolutely hellish, But i think it would be worth it for the sake of performance.
Great choice in music~ It brought me memories from PC Building Sim XD I'll have to try Vulkan and compare it to Sodium in my gear.... Thanks for the video!
In my experience, sodium has a lot of tiny lag spikes but vulkan is really smooth. Fps is slightly lower than sodium, but i don't need 500fps so i'm going with vulkan.
This. I have other performance mods aside from sodium but it sometimes stutters despite the high fps count... but with vulkan is all the opposite, it's so smooth and plays more fluently... Sad that it isn't compatible with some mods and crashes from time to time.
I use Vulkan Zink on PojavLauncher and its crazy how fast mc 1.20.1 lauch even tho im using a device that should not be able to support versions above 1.12.2 im getting 32fps but its still good
All these fps doesn't matter if the monitor doesn't support that much refresh rate. And it causes screen tearing which looks ugly(turn on v-sync for once and you will feel the difference). Even though I run minecraft with a lot of optimization mods(35), I always have v-sync enabled
I tested vulkan with few optimisaion mod while i was getting 90 fps in sodium i got 500 in vulkan with exact same settings ( in low end laptop ) (mods i used were modern fix with few cosmetics mod)
the avarages are cleary wrong, you didn't reset the benchmark before recording, sodium stayed above 700 fps most of the time and somehow got an avarage of 300
This video took me like 9 hours to finish. The recording was easy, but the editing was hard. At first, I was editing on Sony Vegas, but it crashed for no reason. The sad part is that I didn't save my work, and I had to start again. So, I switched programs and went with Adobe Premiere Pro, but it took me longer to edit because I'm not used to the software. In the end, I completed this video. If it wasn't the weekend, I don't think I would have finished this video.
I have a question, So I run my Minecraft on most of the default settings but configured it in a way where I get good FPS and still can maintain good settings (Running 16-20 chunks rendering and simulation distance, Fancy graphics and everything on like that but I have smooth lighting at the max, Which I usually have at minimum) I was wondering why You are getting that high FPS with Sodium, I have it too; I also compared all the mods just last week looking at how they preform and Your FPS for Sodium stood out for me because I get around 700 at the max and 350-600 looking anywhere else. I have an RTX 3070ti, 32GB of some Corsair or something like that ram and an I9 11 gen I think, I also have my ram allocated high like 8 GB allocated to Minecraft, I can change it but my FPS isn’t high like yours. If I run shaders I use most of the default settings for it but change the rendering to FXAA2 and use my shadow quality at 1.5, I also have another one changed but I don’t have my PC at the moment but I think it’s something with the sharpness of the blocks. I changed that because I tried using a few shaders and it was kind of Blurry when I was looking around and everything was a bit soft or fuzzy looking so I changed it. I run Bliss or Chocapic or some other ones like seus but I just want an FPS over 150 or 200 because I can play on Hypixel and be in a lobby with shaders and be sitting at a comfortable 120-150 fps, with 30-50 players and somehow my FPS is at 125 or less in single player. Do you know how to fix that or anything that can prevent or do anything about it? I can list my settings once I get back to my PC and check everything. I use Sodium most of the time because I like some options but I like Optifine too, More settings and a few cool features. Vulkan is nice because I tried running 32ish chunks or around there and most of my settings were maxed and still got about 90 fps on average, I noticed a few lag spikes though they were occurring a bit often.
I think 700-300 is fine for 16-20 chunks. In the video, I was using the default, I think it was 12, so that could be it. Or maybe.... I guess you can try updating your graphics card drivers or allocating less RAM to Minecraft cuz In my test video, I gave Minecraft only 4GB. You could also try closing some background apps, but I don't think that's the problem because you said you have 32GB of RAM, so that's a maybe. Or you could check your CPU and GPU temperatures; maybe your CPU needs new paste, which could impact performance. Also, keep in mind that the FPS test in my video was done at 1080p resolution. If you're playing at a higher resolution, that could be impacting your FPS too. Hope this helps!
@@Aboody thank you, my drivers are up to date on my 3070 ti, I allocated about 4.1 GB to Minecraft, it runs 1080P all the time and the temps hover around 55-60c and everything seems to be fine. My CPU fans werent working yesterday so I booted into BIOS and my AMI popup said that it detected no fan movement so I cleaned out my pc today, it runs a bit cooler but FPS stay the same. I use a couple different shaders like Bliss and Sildurs and a few others but I’m eating now, I set my render distance to 8-12 and got 1600 fps with no shaders but shaders just pulls my FPS down alot. I’ll try some more stuff, Thanks very much!
I encountered the same issue when I first got my PC. The Task Manager was indicating that I only had 2 cores and only 6 threads, which worried me because I had saved up a lot of money for this PC. However, after installing the motherboard software, I discovered an option to enable all the cores and the threads. It might not be the same issue, but it's worth noting that the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X is generally considered superior to the Ryzen 5 5500. I would recommend conducting thorough research on the internet to gather more information about their respective performances. In my personal experience, I was able to resolve my problem by seeking help from the PC Part Picker Discord community, which has a supportive and knowledgeable user base. If you need any assistance, feel free to contact me on Discord. I'd be happy to help you with any questions or issues you may have. "Aboodi#4144" 😊
@@Aboody Thank you but regarding if my cpu was not using all the cores and threads it has (it is) it still would not matter as Minecraft only uses one core to run the game, this is why the 13600k runs the game much better because it has better single core performance even though the two chips perform the same on other games
@@tjonesy2283 My GPU isn't even a 3060, but I play with moderately heavy shaders and Vivecraft Mod and still maintain enough FPS where my refresh rate prevents me from getting more, but optimization is very important
for me on the latest version of sodium and vulkanmod as of july 2023, vulkan mod was better. i could play with 32 chunk render distance at 1440p and consistently get 165fps, which is my monitor hz. sodium could only hit around 115-119 at 32 chunk render distance. this is on an amd 7900x w/ an nvidia rtx 3070 on linux. i did have vsync on
Optifine is not optimal in the first place. If you want performance, you have to look into Sodium, Starlight, Nvidium, C2ME, Enhanced Block Entities, ModernFix, LazyDFU.
Finding the optimal settings for Optifine in my experience is a heckish trial and error experience that I would rather not go through the effort for alas. I am sure it can get there. I just don’t have the patience personally.
No, I don't think so because Sodium, it's his job to optimize the OpenGL rendering, and Vulkan is not the same as OpenGL, so no. But perhaps in the future, we'll see this happen.
If you want to use Sodium without any hassle, make sure you've got the most up-to-date version of Fabric Loader and Fabric API set up first. Once that's done, it's as easy as pie - just drop the mod right into your mods folder. No need to worry about any extra downloads or mods, Sodium's got you covered!🐧🐧
I recommend to make a video explain how to play sodium starts with the client and end to the lunch or just till me wich client should i use to give me the best Performance cuz i watched Several videos and all of them make the game dorps to 10 to 17 Fps without the sodium i get round solid 80 to 90Fps 🦆
Rubidium is an unofficial fork of "Sodium," crafted to seamlessly work with Forge Mod Loader. It can be seen as Sodium with a touch of enhancement, optimizing the overall experience for Forge users. 😊
Vulkan is faster than OpenGL because its new gen of graphics API which more low-level and have async command queues when OpenGL works only in single thread
Additionally Vulkan uses much less CPU then OpenGL
If Minecraft devs will add native Vulkan API support I think it will boost performance
But now we have only one mod which written in Java and as a result we still have low performance because its mod
Its not a native Vulkan API support
yeah
What you said is partially true, but the reason it would be faster is not because it wouldn't be a mod, but because it would be better developed with the power of the full Mojang team. Both the mod and Minecraft are written in Java. This mod is literally replacing the Minecraft renderer. The only overhead from it being a mod is on startup
@@aetimes2It will be possible to add RTX.
And everything else can also be optimized over time for several processor cores. Sorry for mistakes, my English is bad
@@emperorgalaxy4495 Adding shader support (including raytracing/rtx shaders) and optimization is definitely something VulkanMod is working on (and something that has been done by the community before with Sodium and Iris for OpenGL)
@@aetimes2 Interestingly, and mojangs will be interested in acquiring this mod, it was very cool because this mod would give not only RTX but also a new generation of shaders.
Honestly, this is just incredible. Imagine if Mojang had changed their rendering engine. I'm afraid they would need to redo the whole game including the mod loaders changing their API. But so far, this is a giant leap for the modding community. My Ryzen 5 2600 can finally have a bit of rest while playing Minecraft and rather let my GTX 1650 struggle. Steam Deck can definitely take this huge advantage over Vulkan.
redoing the entire game is too much for mojang since they add like 1 thing every 3 months
I notice Optifine stuttering a lot, even more than vanilla. :O
Settings?
Yeah. OptiFine is no longer your #1 option to optimize your game anymore. The Sodium became a new OptiFine. The only thing I don't like is that the OpenGL is being used as it's single-threaded and pretty outdated. Imagine if Vulkan's graphics API was baked into the game by Mojang. Of course, the compatibility would be an issue for some older systems, but the CPU would be less stressed out.
For me Optifine is still getting more fps than Vanilla and Sodikm, it's different for everyone.
It’s simply because in 1.19.4 mojang actually improved the game’s perforemance while optifine was stuck using the slow forge
@@zakariya2011_ Optifine doesn't require or use forge. Forge can load it but that's different.
Considering Vulkan Renderer is still in alpha and how hard is it to write a Vulkan program (let alone rewrite existing OpenGL), I can only say I'm impressed!
Vulkan power usage is significanly lower than optifine while delivering the same performance thats impressive
nah it isnt vulkan always better
The mods you showcased optimize minecraft's rendering, so what's the point in showing world creation and launching the game
Hello! If you have any Videos ideas, I would greatly appreciate it if you could share them with me. Thank you!🤭
Finely, A benchmark !
Imagine Vulkan and Sodium port O_O (+nvidium for nvidia users)
Vulkan and Sodium together cannot and will never happen
I haven't read the code of vulkan mod but vulkan can only get you so far in terms of performance if you don't use it for performance. It is also easy to mess up (accidentally setting a buffer to host visible, for example) which can easily lead to performance losses. Sodium also optimises other parts of the game, not necessarily the graphics. The two mods have a somewhat different purpose and vulkan mod (assuming the use of vulkan is correct) would absolutely provide a far greater performance increase.
The vulkan renderer has fewer glitches with transparent textures and renders the shading on dirt paths correctly. In my case (integrated amd graphics, linux/wayland) sodium still gets better performance (even though a lot of people report the vulkan renderer beats sodium in their case), but vulkan is still leaps and bounds better than vanilla. I use the Vulkan renderer because the performance is good enough and it doesn't have the glitches sodium does.
crazy that optifine is actively less stable than vanilla now
Vulkan is still really unoptimized
Thanks to vulkan renderer i can even play smoother on my phone
Not going to lie every new version i keep praying mojang will add LOD to Java and give each version Vulkan renderer, That would make porting mods to that new version absolutely hellish, But i think it would be worth it for the sake of performance.
Great choice in music~ It brought me memories from PC Building Sim XD
I'll have to try Vulkan and compare it to Sodium in my gear.... Thanks for the video!
The time between lags when I use vulkan is longest (1h or even longer) =))
considering most mod are using openGL i would stick to sodium as vulkan is still in alpha
In my experience, sodium has a lot of tiny lag spikes but vulkan is really smooth. Fps is slightly lower than sodium, but i don't need 500fps so i'm going with vulkan.
This.
I have other performance mods aside from sodium but it sometimes stutters despite the high fps count... but with vulkan is all the opposite, it's so smooth and plays more fluently...
Sad that it isn't compatible with some mods and crashes from time to time.
I use Vulkan Zink on PojavLauncher and its crazy how fast mc 1.20.1 lauch even tho im using a device that should not be able to support versions above 1.12.2 im getting 32fps but its still good
All these fps doesn't matter if the monitor doesn't support that much refresh rate. And it causes screen tearing which looks ugly(turn on v-sync for once and you will feel the difference). Even though I run minecraft with a lot of optimization mods(35), I always have v-sync enabled
idk for me i fell the game fell more responsive on v-sync disabled and the tearing issue i have never seen it on Minecraft
Does extra fps uses more power ( here extra means more than our refresh rate support )
Are you aware of the stupidity you just said?
this is great thank u SODIUM THE GOAT
I tested vulkan with few optimisaion mod while i was getting 90 fps in sodium i got 500 in vulkan with exact same settings ( in low end laptop ) (mods i used were modern fix with few cosmetics mod)
the avarages are cleary wrong, you didn't reset the benchmark before recording, sodium stayed above 700 fps most of the time and somehow got an avarage of 300
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Bro can u make more videos.
Make similar videos with comparison.
Thank you for the motivation!
I can, but I have school and other life responsibilities that leave me with very little time to work on TH-cam videos.
This video took me like 9 hours to finish. The recording was easy, but the editing was hard. At first, I was editing on Sony Vegas, but it crashed for no reason. The sad part is that I didn't save my work, and I had to start again. So, I switched programs and went with Adobe Premiere Pro, but it took me longer to edit because I'm not used to the software. In the end, I completed this video. If it wasn't the weekend, I don't think I would have finished this video.
If you have any Videos ideas, I would greatly appreciate it if you could share them with me.🤭
what fps counter did you use? It looks better than my current one
MSI Afterburner RivaTuner OverlayEditor.dll Plugin search it up on youtube you will find some tutorials
How the clock of rx 570 is 1340mhz and in the AMD web it says boost clock is 1244????
you can overclock the speed in the AMD Software :)
Your Gpu model is Sapphire NITRO+ RX 570 8 GB
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yeah how did you know xD "its the 4gb ver"@@iLokas_
@@Aboody its obvious from the clock speed
I have a question, So I run my Minecraft on most of the default settings but configured it in a way where I get good FPS and still can maintain good settings (Running 16-20 chunks rendering and simulation distance, Fancy graphics and everything on like that but I have smooth lighting at the max, Which I usually have at minimum) I was wondering why You are getting that high FPS with Sodium, I have it too; I also compared all the mods just last week looking at how they preform and Your FPS for Sodium stood out for me because I get around 700 at the max and 350-600 looking anywhere else. I have an RTX 3070ti, 32GB of some Corsair or something like that ram and an I9 11 gen I think, I also have my ram allocated high like 8 GB allocated to Minecraft, I can change it but my FPS isn’t high like yours. If I run shaders I use most of the default settings for it but change the rendering to FXAA2 and use my shadow quality at 1.5, I also have another one changed but I don’t have my PC at the moment but I think it’s something with the sharpness of the blocks. I changed that because I tried using a few shaders and it was kind of Blurry when I was looking around and everything was a bit soft or fuzzy looking so I changed it. I run Bliss or Chocapic or some other ones like seus but I just want an FPS over 150 or 200 because I can play on Hypixel and be in a lobby with shaders and be sitting at a comfortable 120-150 fps, with 30-50 players and somehow my FPS is at 125 or less in single player. Do you know how to fix that or anything that can prevent or do anything about it? I can list my settings once I get back to my PC and check everything. I use Sodium most of the time because I like some options but I like Optifine too, More settings and a few cool features. Vulkan is nice because I tried running 32ish chunks or around there and most of my settings were maxed and still got about 90 fps on average, I noticed a few lag spikes though they were occurring a bit often.
I think 700-300 is fine for 16-20 chunks. In the video, I was using the default, I think it was 12, so that could be it. Or maybe.... I guess you can try updating your graphics card drivers or allocating less RAM to Minecraft cuz In my test video, I gave Minecraft only 4GB. You could also try closing some background apps, but I don't think that's the problem because you said you have 32GB of RAM, so that's a maybe. Or you could check your CPU and GPU temperatures; maybe your CPU needs new paste, which could impact performance. Also, keep in mind that the FPS test in my video was done at 1080p resolution. If you're playing at a higher resolution, that could be impacting your FPS too. Hope this helps!
@@Aboody thank you, my drivers are up to date on my 3070 ti, I allocated about 4.1 GB to Minecraft, it runs 1080P all the time and the temps hover around 55-60c and everything seems to be fine. My CPU fans werent working yesterday so I booted into BIOS and my AMI popup said that it detected no fan movement so I cleaned out my pc today, it runs a bit cooler but FPS stay the same. I use a couple different shaders like Bliss and Sildurs and a few others but I’m eating now, I set my render distance to 8-12 and got 1600 fps with no shaders but shaders just pulls my FPS down alot. I’ll try some more stuff, Thanks very much!
@@GlitchPG3D here is my fps with shaders if you interested : th-cam.com/video/q-CbxwhETbo/w-d-xo.html
depends on pc, optifine is more performance for me
I don’t understand where your fps is coming from? I have a r5 5600x and my frame rate in vanilla and sodium are no where close
I encountered the same issue when I first got my PC. The Task Manager was indicating that I only had 2 cores and only 6 threads, which worried me because I had saved up a lot of money for this PC. However, after installing the motherboard software, I discovered an option to enable all the cores and the threads.
It might not be the same issue, but it's worth noting that the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X is generally considered superior to the Ryzen 5 5500. I would recommend conducting thorough research on the internet to gather more information about their respective performances. In my personal experience, I was able to resolve my problem by seeking help from the PC Part Picker Discord community, which has a supportive and knowledgeable user base.
If you need any assistance, feel free to contact me on Discord. I'd be happy to help you with any questions or issues you may have. "Aboodi#4144" 😊
@@Aboody Thank you but regarding if my cpu was not using all the cores and threads it has (it is) it still would not matter as Minecraft only uses one core to run the game, this is why the 13600k runs the game much better because it has better single core performance even though the two chips perform the same on other games
I’ve chosen to upgrade my 3060ti to a 4070ti to help with shaders I think this was the root of my problem
@@tjonesy2283 My GPU isn't even a 3060, but I play with moderately heavy shaders and Vivecraft Mod and still maintain enough FPS where my refresh rate prevents me from getting more, but optimization is very important
for me on the latest version of sodium and vulkanmod as of july 2023, vulkan mod was better. i could play with 32 chunk render distance at 1440p and consistently get 165fps, which is my monitor hz. sodium could only hit around 115-119 at 32 chunk render distance.
this is on an amd 7900x w/ an nvidia rtx 3070 on linux.
i did have vsync on
noted thank you
for me its like 800 fps with 32 chunks 1080 with sodium and ~450 fps with vulkan (both using gtx 1650 and win 10)
شكرًا ❤
Vanilla performance has improved
Thx for helping
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Go watch it its ready
What about Optifine with optimal settings? Some settings have huge effect to performance
I didn't change anything I use the preset settings
Optifine is not optimal in the first place. If you want performance, you have to look into Sodium, Starlight, Nvidium, C2ME, Enhanced Block Entities, ModernFix, LazyDFU.
Finding the optimal settings for Optifine in my experience is a heckish trial and error experience that I would rather not go through the effort for alas. I am sure it can get there. I just don’t have the patience personally.
Actualmente optiffine no sirve para nada
Is rubidium for forge the same as sodium?
i think its just a fork of sodium so yes its sodium for forge. (not sure)
@@Aboody thanks
My like was number 100. ;D
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why tf is vanilla winning :((
this isntt really a fair test, ofc sodium is bbetter here, the rx 570 is not good for vulkan as its more of a legacy gpu
Still a Test tho
@@Aboody true, but atleast use an rx 7600
I dunno man for me vulkan gets more fps than sodium (way more) and around the same as sodium with a ton of others.
Sodium that is better than Optifine that is better than Vulkan that is better than Vanilla OpenGL
music?
Music : A Thousand GigaFLOPs Without You - C.P.U
can you use vulkan and sodium at the same time?
No, I don't think so because Sodium, it's his job to optimize the OpenGL rendering, and Vulkan is not the same as OpenGL, so no. But perhaps in the future, we'll see this happen.
@@Aboody oh ok thanks
What is the song?
A Thousand GigaFLOPs Without You - C.P.U
@@Aboody Ok thank you!! :)
@@Aboody PC BUILDING SIM song
Use Vulkan and Sodium huge fps 😉
You get worse performance on vulkan because you are using AND gpu
which is best for low end pc
sodium
вулкан 1000 фпс
содиум 400 фпс
How to play sodium?
If you want to use Sodium without any hassle, make sure you've got the most up-to-date version of Fabric Loader and Fabric API set up first. Once that's done, it's as easy as pie - just drop the mod right into your mods folder. No need to worry about any extra downloads or mods, Sodium's got you covered!🐧🐧
Or you can search for it on TH-cam; there are plenty of tutorials available there!
I recommend to make a video explain how to play sodium starts with the client and end to the lunch or just till me wich client should i use to give me the best Performance cuz i watched Several videos and all of them make the game dorps to 10 to 17 Fps without the sodium i get round solid 80 to 90Fps 🦆
Plis link download sodium
modrinth.com/mod/sodium
what's with the dramatic ahh music bro
no idea 😂
where rubidium at?
Rubidium is an unofficial fork of "Sodium," crafted to seamlessly work with Forge Mod Loader. It can be seen as Sodium with a touch of enhancement, optimizing the overall experience for Forge users. 😊
@@Aboody I know I'm just curious to see if there is s significant performance difference between sodium and rubidium.
@@rch5395 I wouldn't say it's not really different apart from the API, since it's Forge.
Try Cubed Optimized
I'm not quite sure where I can find this mod. I tried searching it up on Google, but it seems like I got results for something else instead☹️.
@@Aboody it's a modpack, you can find it con curseforge as "Cubed Optimized FPS", I found it better than faboulously optimized
optifine lags pretty bad
latest versions do, but trust me the 1.12.2 latest preview optifine is op you dont have to change anything to get over 1000fps