[Role Guides] Tanking: Everything you need to know!
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What! What’s this Heroes of the Storm stuff? Where’s the quality bonsai content I subscribed for?
Still waiting for more trees in 2020 :/
You are the hero of this game needs. Still doing content for this amazing game.
Still waiting for the “How the pros cut their Bonsai trees” episode.
When I saw "choose a talent" prompt, I instinctively pressed CTRL..
Muscle memory strong :D
I would also like to add that it is very important to understand how much and how quickly your healer can heal.
Also, if you have a second tank with you, and you know that it covers your allies, you can isolate one of the enemy heroes.
When playing for a tank, try to use his control abilities as a continuation of the control of your allies, or vice versa - as the first part of a combo.
but most important is your position
and the second (for all roles) - DO NOT FORGET TO ALWAYS LOOK AT THE MINIMAP
11:10 God damn. For one role I actually main properly... when are we getting a ''Why the pros don't play Death role''?
Well they do play murky and dying IS his way of playing, lol!
Sad Malthael noises
I knew there would be something new for me here!
Body blocking the tiny hitbox of Casia, brilliant!
Id like a video on that death role that was mentioned
This is role I main. Secondary role is the throw role.
Thank you so much for making this video. I am brand new to MOBA's and Heroes of the Storm is my first. This really cleared up the questions and general gameplay tips for the Tank role. Can't wait to jump into a match with my friends
Tank you for this video! I will block it as favourite as a reference to escape from Silver :)
Please more role guides! I'd love to see more fundamentals for success in different types of ranged/melee assassins or bruisers. You rule.
Thank you for this video, NotParadox! I just began storm league with a friend, unfortunately we are at 2W-3L for placement games but your videos are really inspiring and I hope we will improve thanks to you! (I am « defensive tank » as a primary role so this one is particularly interesting)
Can you do a important points of each map series, as different roles/heros what to watch and where, cheeky things you can do like kill off health fountains from behind walls, ambush zones etc, i know most gets covered eventually in vids but it'd be great for those not knowing/refresher for others.
Thank you, NotParadox! With your help I have reached plat 1 in storm league from bronze at the end of last year! I am sitting at an 84% winrate with 25 games and I am excited for diamond. Thank you one again and I can't wait for more of your videos!
Love this type of content bud - laying down the fundamentals of each role. Keep crushing even tho there’s no more HGC.
Tanks are the hidden heroes! Especially in lower brackets. All these little things you mentioned in the video, no one notices them. If your team wins the game, the DDs are the heroes, because they did the kills and the damage. If your team loses the game, mostly the tank is the idiot. "He did nothing", "he didnt protect the team", etc.. Thats what makes tanking a very special experience :D
6.5/10 not enough bonsai trees
Love hots, thanks for the guide. It's still very relevant today
Awesome tips on tanking, really helps me out a lot! Hope you'll be doing more how to's like this - personally, I wouldn't mind some stuff on off-laning or how to dominate the support role.
This role explanation is a great thing! Looking forward to your other videos! :)
You explain everything so clearly 👌
amazing editing and just the video is amazing, love it.
thanks
Now that you mention it, there is a kind of a "death" role if you think about it. If you are a leoric ghost, you are still playing and should be giving your team vision as well as using your slow. If you play a hero that can respawn like malthael, kel thuzad, tlv, or murky in a way, you should know WHEN to respawn and not just do it because you can
but, but, but... the bonsai trees?
i hope ppl apreciate my tank play more now when they saw this video
As a tank main, I get a lot of crap for playing this role. When I'm peeling, my team complains about not engaging. When I'm engaging, my team complains about not peeling. You can never please those dps players who know nothing about the art of tanking.
Hey, so quick question: Do you think you could do a video on Samuro? I want to play him but I’m kinda bad and I don’t know where to improve.
FollowGrubby has some good samuro vids, might wanna check them out
Grubby and Rich both play amazing Samuros with a totally different play style. I managed to copy Grubby's split push Samuro with great success.
But he is a hard to learn hero.
@@SOADandLeftWing if by any chance you remember would be great to hear!
Also you can check Munkys, he is a Samuro main, played the last heroes lounge cup with Washed Out as solo lane and at HGC he played as sub in Dignitas while Wubby was arriving. He even did a talent analisis in Heroes Fire i think, and had about how much damage you miss changing some talents. The macro play is important, huge deal btw, but at least start using your clones to back and restore health meanwhile you leave a clone in lane and get xp. With master of illusion, you use Q, send a clone to b, Master illusion to that clone, wait some time to restore, and then R to the lane clone. At least something that keep me doing it wrong was using clones and send one to base while the other clone keep attacking minions, like i dunno why, the AI of the clone when you backed wants to return as soon as it can to attack those minions, and then you dont get any health back. So my advice there is to do it in a bush or behind your towers. And also if you are going full macro, the aoe damage at your critic hit is key. Another thing is, if you are new to the hero, then use E build, as it gives you a good 1 v 1 and more jukes potential without controlling like a master your clones, i do think heroes have builds teaching you how to play and use that hero, and then a GOOD build, like clones build. Is hard to master him, has a lot of potential and can carry almost lost games, but has a high skill cap, you can do lot of things with clones.
TANKS for the video!
Very informative, as always. This whole new Role Rework was one of the best things ever done.
Dat Alpha HotS thumbnail though.
I have to say I really missed the Chinese proverbs...
Alarak and Cassia both pulled them in simultaneously, causing the mosh to miss. I agree with the power slide, however I think the optimal play would have been to watch for the Alarak combo. Then, walk your mosh up to Zuljin to stop the damage.
This video is very specific to ETC, a lot of this wouldn't apply to a hero like Johanna or Malganis.
Rest in Peace MewnFare
100 % with blaze 1 game 1 game won yeah thats solid
I would really like it if you used Color Blind mode for the videos. Its impossible for me to read the Red Health Bars, Take that for what its worth.
I also need colorblind mode, as I cannot see the bonsai trees that should be in the video
Can you make a video on how to play, what you maybe doing wrong, or guide on tyrande? I enjoy your content very much keep up the good work.
LoL u can even convince me that a shit mosh is the right play! U should be a lawyer
awesome video as always paradox
side note, mewnfarez on the other team. wonder if this was one of the games that tilted him again D:
Love this video!
"DEATHS DON'T MATTER!" -Me before I die 11 times and end up winning the match.
You forgot the number one most important rule in all of HOTS that everyone seems to forget...DON'T DIE.
NOT as a tank, in fact that is the role that should be self-sacrificing and covering the retreat path for others, so NO, that is a BIG NO, better die off in a fight and buy time for others to survive rather than not die as a tank lol
Are those pepole diamonds? Some mistakes (Zagara and Stukov face-check...) were really silver-like.
Anyway great video! As tank I often try to move between low-hp allies and enemies to take skillshots, but i've never moved in front of an ally to intentionally provoke misclicks. Thanks for the tip, I'll try this out!
Stukov was plat, the zag is a gm competitive player, he likely was just having a long day. He is actually really good.
Oh well, I guess every brain farts every once in a while
They are playing against similar HIGH RANK players.
The Stukov error: Literally less than a second to react for him. That's a GM ETC that ran him down and punished him.
The Zagara: gets caught trying to push attack by an alert enemy tank with his CC still up.
Remember that when you are talking about errors you see. If our intrepid hero ETC in this case was a Silver, neither of those mistakes get caught.
Coaches in sports will tell you that the higher the league of play, the smaller the windows of opportunity get. That guy that was tearing it up in Junior league? He didn't just suddenly forget how to do that when he's struggling in Senior league. He's facing much better players and the windows for making his plays have gotten smaller.
Great vid, do you plan on keep making them after you finish that carrying to masters series?
Wow 100% winrate with a single win. Impressive
Hey NotParadox, do you have a build list for all the characters in the game...i'm new and that would really help. Thx
German?
My best recommendation is to watch his "Four Mistakes" videos. It really gives you the ins and outs of each hero he covers
very helpful, thanks !
Great vid NP should be on the launcher IMO
just missing 3 major points ^^ 1.) how to peel effective, by making sure your team doesnt think you are enganging and goes full into suecide ! // 2.) without just the rec. to you ancor-vids, make sure to tell the ppl how important the vision is, that you have to provide // 3.) also dont just tell them to watch the achor vid. but show and tell them, what it means to set up traps and rotate agressivly between the lanes for a gank (and as told before, evade the vision of the other team as often and long as you can) .......... the vision-game is like a mini-game inside the real one ... for every sek. the apponment can see you, you get negative points .. otherwhise you would win the main-game !!! (sry f. english :D )
Basically: Be babysitter and explain your team how this game works
You cant say it better. For ex, the Washed out played a huge game with Granit Gaming at BoE in the Meta Madness cup, that game is huge to understand rotations and how important is to tanks give vision. Having in a same game Lauber and Sportbilly is a good example of how tanks play
@@fiorilli1 link for education purpose?
Yet another awesome noob friendly video.
oh hell yeah i can tank now!ON A BRUISER THIS TIME
Then what do you do when your team never seems to engage when you initiate a perfect setup for a team fight?
Soooooooo, where are the bonsai trees?
Please, do another guide.
I didn't know that Bradley returned to HotS (Imperius player's nickname is "mewnfare")
You know? The TGN Squadron guy? MFPallyTime's friend?
He had some streams the last days with 1.5k viewers. more than half of hots entirety :D
Jan HotsDaddy69 made it to the Nexus!... again!
Hoozah!!!!!! No bushes
NotParadox, what ETC build do you go? At 7, it seems the most common pick is pinball wizard, probably because of the extra burst it offers a CCed target. I tend to go Echo Pedal, however, in the lower leagues. Is this a talent pick that should change as I advance because my team will start to soak more?
i'm still picking it in plat 1. it's nice if you can't get close enough for auto attacking someone to finish them of. you don't have to spend a lot of mana to kill waves (just use E and spend the rest on the enemy) and it's safer because you can keep your abilities (Q,W).
i wouldn't pick it if the enemies have an alarak since it triggers the reflect ult.
also you shouldn't always use W after (and especially right after) you use Q (assassins like kerrigan or chromie might miss there targets if you do that). it might also keep you from using W more often because you might want to save it for after the Q, which makes no sense.
Cover the death role next please
👍
If we don't have a bruiser in our compo do you think that the tank should go in to get the healer? Or just wait for a mistake and protect the team against the enemy bruiser? (sry for my bad English ^^)
So what will be next guide?
Death role, that's my role :D
I play malfurion, so I can make bonsai trees in the game.
Nah i'm pretty sure that's just Sudowoodo wearing a Canopy hat
So...Who *IS* Paradox???
is that real mewnfare playing? thought he quit
Yeah he comes back here and there. He was on like hour 20 of a 24 hour stream when this was recorded :D
He actually quit again
I main Yrel, a bruiser, playing the solo lane part of the game. We usually go with a Bruiser + Tank frontline, and I tend to play Yrel very aggressively. My friends usually complain and want 1 of the frontline constantly peeling for them.
My question is following this video: Is the tank the one who should be peeling or me as Yrel or both, or depends on situation/heroes?
I'm usually asked to be that frontline in the back and protect them, but I always find myself to be falling back into that very aggressive playstyle when I play Yrel. What is the generally correct approach?
Youcan peel if you see they have a lot of diving heroes or ur backline is getting destroyed. Yrel is great at peeling. She gives armor healing and aoe stun.
Bruiser is basically played as a tank, most of the same things apply... let the assasins assasin. most bruisers tend to think they are assasins. YES you can help with kills and damage alot, but typically you should be doing more tank stuff.
think about it, is it better to be diving there players hurting them but probably not killing them (of course if the kill is almost guaranteed go for it), or is it better to protect your healer and assasins?
It depends, bruisers tend to have more tools to actually kill if they dive into the backline, but at the sametime a good peel is game changing. So try to feel out the fight and practice both to see which is more effective with your playstyle.
You could peel while your tank isnt a defensive tank, like a Diablo, cos your team could feel helpful your peel. Meanwhile, with a johanna for ex, you can set up some fights more agressively and then jojo do the peel work, but dont forget you need to help them. Sometimes you can solve this just starting your engage from a passive position, to let your teammates follow you easier, and then peel maybe wont be neccesary. Is situational, i think the best advice is , being a Yrel main, to feel comfortable playing more passive or going hard to their backline, then you could fit in each situation your team need naturaly.
Tank tip #ifonlywehaddiablo
Bonsai pls
Can you tell me why did you go with prog rock instead of block party with ETC knowing they had a Zuljin?
probably because he could get hit by other aa besides zuljin that could take away the block e.g. zagara's 3 shots. i rarely pick block nowadays, because you can just stun your enemies and leave (and you heal the mage damage up nicely). you could take it against a raynor though because he has a large aa range.
Сначала он долго объясняет о том как надо влетать мошем в троих оппонентов, а потом влетает в пустоту =)
А потом оказывается, что это вообще идеальный вариант =)
No commentary on yesterday ptr notes
Are you joking?
@@ceige9907 I don't know
Reworked Abathur pls
PLEASE but this on the launcher BLizz
my mmr is bs... i´m sad xd maybe i should get some bonsai trees
This guy braggin about having a 100% win rate with Blaze and he has 1 game played, cmon dude
Can we get a Nazeebo stacks video please?
106 people are sad that NotParadox hasn't accepted their friend request.
Man, you always seem so knowledgaable. Then you go talking like 66% and 100% means ANYTHING for your win rates......you've played like 3 games with each character in that dataset. I know you are great at this game, but those statistics are absolute meaningless in that context, so why even share them?
That being said, plenty of useful stuff from this video, for example the notion of considering team comp to decide how to manage lane positioning.
Also preseason just started, so isnt as bad at all. Tanks always carry games in Hots, is such an important role ppl need to be at least good at it to understand how your tanks are going to work and do better rotations and stuff.
I agree with Max here. For a season that just started, he is doing well. I also think you're too hung up on something he mentioned in passing. The majority of the video was about the role, not win rates and he made no significant claims regarding his win rates. He was simply making a point about the influence a good tank has on a game.
@@ceige9907 i made one comment about it, then made another one complimenting the rest of the video overall so people wouldn't think i was obsessing on a negative only. That being said, statistically, percentages are ridiculous with low sample sizes. Win 1 game, 100%. Lose the next one, 50%. And usually notparadox is very detail oriented. Im not sure I'm hung up on it, just it stood out to me as a strange framing of info and so I mentioned it to see if anyone else noticed. You guys didn't, I guess, haha. All good. 👍
@@lbb2rfarangkiinok Guess I read too much into your caps. My apologies
I realy hate people who cant tank. They dont body block and the only thing they do is to charge in on the other players. And when you ask them to GO AROUND and take them from BEHIND, you get a "noob" or a "fuck you" comment back. And when i tank, which i do alot. The other players dont seem to understand that experience is needed to lvl up. Its like they only look in a traight line.
100% winrate with 1 game... lmao. so what??
imagine bragging about win percent over only 30 games, with a stack. what a joke
Yo NP. Can you message me I have a comp to run over with you?