Ryan. You hit the nail on the head with the Airweights. I have been using it for over 6 months now. It works great for me because I taught myself how use it and make it work for me. Your Bamx is a very good product for special projects. I cut out a project yesterday with it. Gonna do another one today. Thank you. Keep up the good work.
You can use 1/16" thick peel and stick rubber gasket, or neoprene gasket, on your large cnc spoilboard, and create zones, and increase the hold on small pieces of wood. You can use 1/8" thick gasket in the same way to hold rough lumber, or slightly warped lumber too.
Thank you for the great info. If I may ask, relating to industrial machines. What's the smallest piece the vacuum table holds before pieces start to move? Do you onion skin for all the fast rough cuts and then cut through or keep tabs? Your spoil board mdf? How thick is the spoil board before facing it?
I've thought about adding Vacuum to mine for quite some time but not sure it's really worth it to me so far since I have plenty of ways of holding down with threaded inserts, t tracks, tape with glue or double back, etc. I'm just a hobbyist that tries to find ways to help others figure stuff out so...I will probably add this system in the future. Thanks Ryan, you're a "Certified Nice Guy"
It's much easier, cheaper, and faster to drill the material into the spoil board than worry about the air escaping. Plus, you save on the upfront cost of acquiring a vacuum bed.
Ryan pointed out that if you are doing one-off's, it probably isn't worth the time and effort to use a vac system. However for production runs, it is definitely the way to go.
Ryan, great video as always. As much as I’d like a vacuum system, it doesn’t make sense for me. I do a lot of one offs, cutouts and profile cuts. I just bought a new CNC and want to try a pneumatic clamping system which makes it as quick and easy as vacuum tables, and a fraction of the price. If successful, maybe I’ll reach out to you and see if there could be a way to manufacture it and sell. Until then, I’m sticking (pun intended) to double sided tape and baking soda and glue methods.
One question you didn't address (i think) is whether it works for small parts like 50ish parts from a 4x8 sheet. Would it still be effective as all those profile cuts open up and leak air? That question has held me back from buying a vacuum pump for my cnc for years now....
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You need a dedicated fixture. A spoil board won't work unless you use tabs, which is a pain. We have dedicated fixtures for our smaller parts. I'd look up all star gasketing and check out their videos. It may a few times to get it right.
Having a dedicated fixture would be great but the parts move around from day to day (not just the same cuts over and over unfortunately.). Everything I cut is made to order so the parts vary based on the orders for the day/week. Sounds like a vacuum table isn't the solution for me. More fun with tabs. 😂
I have trouble wrapping my mind around this: so the vacuum will pull through the spoil board and pull down the workpiece? How is it sucking air through the spoil board? I never understood that
I run a ex industrial cnc machine at home with a vacuum pod system. Works really well for one of projects and smaller workpieces but not to small. The major downside is i have to be really carefull about the placement of the pods because they are expensive to replace if i cut into them. And it is not optimal for big nesting projects.
@@acerjuglans383 i have Schmalz style double vacuum pods which have replaceable rubber top and bottom pads, but if u damage the body u are out at least 100 bucks
@@acerjuglans383 I run Schmalz style double vacuum pods which have a replaceable rubber top and bottom suction pads, but if u damage the body of the cup u are out at least 100 bucks
The Air Weights table is a true vacuum table, because it uses gasketing. Every large cnc, using a vacuum pump to hold down an MDF spoilboard, has a downdraft table. Two different things, but people just call them all vacuum tables.
if you isolate your vacuum pump and motor your shop will be so quiet you will wonder why you didnt do it right off .your sucking all the heat out get rid of all that noise
I have one question. I see a spoil board on your big cnc. Is the air somehow sucking through the spoilboard or? Do you have a physical address for airweights as I live in south Denver and would like to see their products up close. Thank you
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Ryan. You hit the nail on the head with the Airweights. I have been using it for over 6 months now. It works great for me because I taught myself how use it and make it work for me. Your Bamx is a very good product for special projects. I cut out a project yesterday with it. Gonna do another one today. Thank you. Keep up the good work.
You can use 1/16" thick peel and stick rubber gasket, or neoprene gasket, on your large cnc spoilboard, and create zones, and increase the hold on small pieces of wood.
You can use 1/8" thick gasket in the same way to hold rough lumber, or slightly warped lumber too.
The best video I have seen to date on pros and cons of vacuum tables, both large and small ones. Great video.
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Thank you for the great info.
If I may ask, relating to industrial machines.
What's the smallest piece the vacuum table holds before pieces start to move?
Do you onion skin for all the fast rough cuts and then cut through or keep tabs?
Your spoil board mdf? How thick is the spoil board before facing it?
Good rundown. Using multiple banks on the larger ones also work well. Making sure each one is separated.
I just bought a 3D printer so I can make my own grid tiling system. Gonna be sweet! Thanks for this video.
I've thought about adding Vacuum to mine for quite some time but not sure it's really worth it to me so far since I have plenty of ways of holding down with threaded inserts, t tracks, tape with glue or double back, etc. I'm just a hobbyist that tries to find ways to help others figure stuff out so...I will probably add this system in the future. Thanks Ryan, you're a "Certified Nice Guy"
Great video! I would love to see more on how you design and use the jigs!
It's much easier, cheaper, and faster to drill the material into the spoil board than worry about the air escaping. Plus, you save on the upfront cost of acquiring a vacuum bed.
I have a cutting board that I need to put a juice groove onto. I don't think the customer wants extra screw holes in it.
Ryan pointed out that if you are doing one-off's, it probably isn't worth the time and effort to use a vac system. However for production runs, it is definitely the way to go.
Ryan, great video as always. As much as I’d like a vacuum system, it doesn’t make sense for me. I do a lot of one offs, cutouts and profile cuts. I just bought a new CNC and want to try a pneumatic clamping system which makes it as quick and easy as vacuum tables, and a fraction of the price. If successful, maybe I’ll reach out to you and see if there could be a way to manufacture it and sell. Until then, I’m sticking (pun intended) to double sided tape and baking soda and glue methods.
One question you didn't address (i think) is whether it works for small parts like 50ish parts from a 4x8 sheet. Would it still be effective as all those profile cuts open up and leak air? That question has held me back from buying a vacuum pump for my cnc for years now....
You need a dedicated fixture. A spoil board won't work unless you use tabs, which is a pain. We have dedicated fixtures for our smaller parts. I'd look up all star gasketing and check out their videos. It may a few times to get it right.
Having a dedicated fixture would be great but the parts move around from day to day (not just the same cuts over and over unfortunately.). Everything I cut is made to order so the parts vary based on the orders for the day/week. Sounds like a vacuum table isn't the solution for me. More fun with tabs. 😂
I have trouble wrapping my mind around this: so the vacuum will pull through the spoil board and pull down the workpiece? How is it sucking air through the spoil board? I never understood that
MDF is permeable. A strong vacuum pump will suck down material that's placed on a 3/4" thick MDF spoilboard.
I run a ex industrial cnc machine at home with a vacuum pod system. Works really well for one of projects and smaller workpieces but not to small.
The major downside is i have to be really carefull about the placement of the pods because they are expensive to replace if i cut into them. And it is not optimal for big nesting projects.
It's really cheap to make your own vacuum pods.
@@acerjuglans383 i have Schmalz style double vacuum pods which have replaceable rubber top and bottom pads, but if u damage the body u are out at least 100 bucks
@@acerjuglans383 I run Schmalz style double vacuum pods which have a replaceable rubber top and bottom suction pads, but if u damage the body of the cup u are out at least 100 bucks
I use schmalz style double vacuum pods which have a replaceable rubber top and bottom pad, but if u damage the body u are out at least 100 bucks.
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The Air Weights table is a true vacuum table, because it uses gasketing.
Every large cnc, using a vacuum pump to hold down an MDF spoilboard, has a downdraft table.
Two different things, but people just call them all vacuum tables.
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vacuum tables are totally worth it but they don't solve every problem.
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if you isolate your vacuum pump and motor your shop will be so quiet you will wonder why you didnt do it right off .your sucking all the heat out get rid of all that noise
I have one question. I see a spoil board on your big cnc. Is the air somehow sucking through the spoilboard or? Do you have a physical address for airweights as I live in south Denver and would like to see their products up close. Thank you
MDF is permeable, and a vacuum will suck right through it to hold the workpiece.