As someone’s who’s overweight- that girl who kept calling the other girl slim even after op asked her not to Is such an asshole. That’s rude no matter the weight. Don’t comment on others body’s ESPECIALLY after they point blank say don’t say that
For real… I’ve been both a size 0 and a 14 (even in the past year or so) from either bad habits or medical conditions. I was honestly ‘skinny shamed’ by other girls who were a little heavier themselves, more than I was ever ‘fat shamed’ by a skinny person. So weird. It hurts especially when I’m excited thinking, “oh I can relate to this person, I hope we’ll get along well!” And then they’re so assuming and angry at me. Mostly happens at work too.
@@HaleKelsey1 I had the same experience I was called anorexic in school just because I had a high metabolism which evened out after my little boy was born.
@@farrahfarmer9287 it’s so unbelievable when people are naturally skinny and people do that too 😂 like… they’ve likely seen you grow up a bit and are aware it’s natural- but give people hell anyways to try and *put them down. Hurt people, hurt people.
as a skinny person i will never know how fatphobia feels, but i FIRMLY believe that it’s inappropriate to make comments about anyones body regardless of size. people tend to feel more comfortable commenting on skinny peoples appearances because they see it as a “compliment”. im only as skinny as i am because of mental/physical health issues and my adhd meds. i get comments about my size every day at work from older coworkers and customers. i literally explained to my coworker why i was underweight and she just made another joke about me selling her my meds to help her lose weight UGH it’s so rude to comment on someone’s weight or body type
It disgusting how people think commenting on weight is a compliment. My ex-friends creepy dad saw me for the first time last year and said I looked like I gained weight even though he hasn't seen me in years and I actually lost weight during the pandemic. I only looked chubby because my uniform was too big and I didn't have a replacement and I've always been fairly comfortable with my weight and never been on a diet. A couple weeks after he said that he saw me in a body hugging dress for a school event and offered to drive me home and the ride was so uncomfortable because he kept talking about how I 'looked better this way' and 'you shouldn't gain anymore weight you're perfect like this' it made me feel disgusting.
You nailed it. I was called anorexic and gorger and puker and all that stuff in high school and I was never like that I ended up getting an eating disorder because of that as well as some family tram around food so my weights really sensitive to me and I have a girlfriend whose a much bigger girl and I love her for that and he doesn't mind that I complain when I'm too skinny and she complains to me when she's with your fat it's the way we live with each other and it's beautiful
I was looking for this comment, that story pissed me off so much. Because if don't know everything OP can easily be called fatphobic, when in reality she was just making a point. It just like you said, I will never understand fatphobia because I'm not fat, but that doesn't mean that it's okay to say shit about my body and NOT TO ME MY NAME because of the way my body looks. Specially because OP asked her to stop and she didn´t. I result of fatphobia is people feeling likes it's okay to comment on people's bodies, that includes skinny people, because it's okay cause you're skinny and heakthy so it's not a problem. well, sometimes being skinnier doesn't mean you're healthier...
THIS COMMENT! Sure, as a skinny person I will indeed never know that, but a fat person will never understand that for some people it is hard to gain weight and those comments can be triggers. Society has such fixation on skinny = good than when a skinny person complains about anything related to weight is called "ungrateful" or something of the sort. I know the struggle of trying to gain 1kg for over years without any success. I ATE a lot, more than some of my guy friends, but my metabolism was just too fast. My body mass was low, I always did sports so my muscle aches were BAD, I was always cold, but I had no right to complain because "I mean, you are skinny" Not the AH
Uuuughhhh so true !!!they convince themselves it's okay if the person is skinny, 'it's complimenting.'But then they say shit like 'eat a cheeseburger 'I get that from old people at my work all the time. How is that a compliment???? You're telling me I shouldn't be this size ! It doesn't matter what size you are no one wants to feel like their body is wrong. It's never okay !!!!
thanks to this episode: my skin is clear. my crops are thriving. my grades are up. i have 20/20 vision. the sun is shining. it's chaotic, i love it and i want more.
Dude i was trying to sleep and sometimes having noise in the bkground helps me fall asleep better but when i heard that part i started cracking up in bed with my eyes closed 😂😂😂😂😂😂
For the slim shaming- I have IBS and for years I had a really tough time eating, especially gaining weight. It was a really hard time for me I was so young too (12 years old) and I was dangerously underweight, i used to be sick all the time because I had no immune system really and all I wanted is to gain weight and I couldn’t. I was in and out of hospitals and still found nothing that could help me to finally be healthy. Meanwhile everyone around me was saying things like how great that I am so skinny and why would I want to gain weight and stuff but also why would I not eat, I need to eat, I need some meat on my bones. This went on until I was around 18 when I finally could gain weight and start eating without feeling sick. It’s NOT a compliment. Please stop saying things like this to skinny people, it’s so disrespectful. You’ll never know what a person is going through inside about these stuff.
Yeah I had that too I had anorexia and everybody was like ahh you have so small armsssss ur so thinnnn you are soooo anorexia oh wow that helps thanks for saying it over and over that I'm to thin I know I am, I live in the Netherlands so kg and cm I was 50 kilo when I was 175 and that's really under weight and for a long time I just couldn't eat and it really hurt me
@@danielleinthehouseee8773 ahh same:( i was 12 years old 150cm and 32kg. I was so skinny you could see every bone in my body. It’s just so triggering…All you want is to be healthy and people saying stuff like this just doesn’t help. Hope you are okay now!🤍
@@raschellakimberly8155 yeah I got more weight now and what funny now everybody says hey u got thic. You should be skinnier. Wow what the hell I'm finally normal weight but now I'm not skinny enaugh what a bullshit, are you okey?
@@danielleinthehouseee8773 people man😐 don’t even listen to their bullshit. I am 21 now and I am a lot more healthier than I used to be. I’ve gained some weight and I feel so much better.☺️ I still have a hard time eating sometimes, my IBS sadly is still giving me troubles but it’s a lot better now and I have an amazing support system around me so that helps a lot!
I have really severe IBS-D as well and during a year long flare up (it was horrible) I once lost 20 lbs in 2 weeks. I returned from covid working from home (my place of work was closed for a while so we all worked from home) I was getting compliments about my weight loss from coworkers. Like, no don't compliment me on that. I suffered and was in so much pain for a year, its not something to celebrate.
I feel like the last story (one where the bf threw away the fun socks) has a major issue with his girlfriend being 5 years younger than him. Like he is super sensitive about her appearance and coming across as mature/put together, “embarrassing him” in front of his family… he has a complex about her age.
I don't think he has a complex about her age, I think he thinks that he can control her easily because she's younger than him. This is why I don't date older men. They purposely seek out younger women for this exact reason. They think they can mould you into whoever they want you to be.
As a very thin person I want to say that constantly calling somebody "slim" and "toothpick" does something to a person. Just because I'm not fat doesn't mean I feel comfortable with my body. That's how eating disorders develop. Just don't comment on people's body. Period.
Yeah people think they can touch my body and say whatever they want about it because "thin is the beauty standard" so I apparently have no right to be self conscious or offended. It's just so not true. People only like skinny if it comes with a butt and boobs. I grew up in a diverse area, where curvier bodies have always been coveted even before the BBL era began, and was mocked my entire life for being skinny. It's never been a compliment to me and makes me feel like less of a woman when people talk about how thin I am.
My doctor also wears fun socks and I enjoy them, it makes me less nervous and you see they have personalities and not just boring scrubs with serious questions. If someone threw away my fun socks I’d be so mad.
I’m a med student, and I always wear my fun compression socks! Functional and funky :D I started doing it when I worked at a nursing home where fun scrubs/socks were encouraged, and it just stuck!
I really appreciate the slim shaming talk. As a kid one of the few compliments thats I got as a child was that I was a slim figure. I was always bothered about my lack of chest but at least I was slim. Now as an adult I am having a hard time excepting that I have filled out especially since giving birth to my 7 week old. My husband says that he likes my more curvy self but I am having a hard time dealing and really want to lose weight and be more fit. I realize that I have matured and am no longer 16 but still have troubles looking in the mirror and being happy wishing that I was the skinny girl. At times I kinda wish that maybe as a child that it hadn't been brought up as much by parents or grandparents.
Ik this comment is old but I just wanted to say this really resonated with me (binging THT after finding them lol), I was a very slim kid/teenager and have struggled with mental health and subsequent weight gain as a YA, and feel I would probably feel better about my body if I hadn’t always had my worth reinforced as a “skinny girl” in my youth
Simplypodlogical had an episode about this and Ben mentioned an important port that this is the type of behavior that comes before abusive behaviors (if you don’t already think it is abusive to throw away your partner’s stuff). I would cry missing my socks and finding out that my partner doesn’t care about me ☹️
Stories like this make me wonder why people are in relationships when it doesn’t even seem like they like their SO. You’re supposed to like each other, if not, what’s the point?
As someone who has an eating disorder & was kept secret throughout all of high school and college( and even still only a select few know), comments on my body is incredibly damaging, even if they were “compliments”. Being complimented on weight loss or asked for my gym routine right after going through a lapse of losing 20 lbs in about 2 weeks, left me feeling guilty, shame, and alone. I wasn’t healthy, I didn’t look healthy, I felt awful. Yet my friends and family were praising me. It’s horrible, and enabled my behaviors & put myself in dangerous health situations. We need to stop associating “thin” with “healthy”it’s bad for everyone of any body type.
THISS!!! thank you . i’ve never been thin a day in my life. i’ve always been on obese side of a BMI chart. However my freshman year of college i was going full time (because it was also my senior year of high school so i had to be enrolled full time to be a dual enrollment student) and i was also working full time with 50-60 hours a week. the work was soooo much for me that i would have so much stress i would forget to eat. i was losing weight fast unintentionally and people kept praising me for how much weight i was losing and how “good i looked now” even my own family when they knew i would hardly have a bite to eat.. but anyways, different situation same comments. they went back and forth in my head when i finally got a good balance between work and school after high school graduation and i gained weight back. i wanted to purposely stress myself out to that point again but i knew it wasn’t right
The fourth reddit story is so triggering to me. I was married to a guy and we had a very similar situation. The spare room was his mancave and I was to act accordingly in all of the common areas. Accordingly was quiet and out of the way. Now that I'm away from it I realize how emotionally abusive that was. I'm not your kid or your puppy I'm your wife, your equal. I LIVE HERE TOO! With this story pretty much he's saying that the entire house is his and she needs to stay in the bedroom out of the way. With my ex it started bleeding into other aspects of our life together and I finally left when I realized he was just super selfish and entitled. (In our situation the final straw was silly; A velvet zombie Jimmy Hendricks painting hung in our dining room where we hosted family gatherings for our extended family. He put it up without asking me and it 100% didn't fit in that room. When I told him I would feel more comfortable with him putting it in any other room he turned it into a huge fight finally screaming at me what I had been suspecting "This is MY house and I'll decorate it however the F*** I want!" We moved into the house together and paid equal bills.) Everything was always about him and his comfort. EVERYTHING. When you're not being treated as an equal in the relationship it's time to goooo.
I’m about 2 years late to comment but I’m really sorry you were treated that way. I’ve heard of men and women being protective of their person possessions but I’ve never heard of a man so intense on how it was decorated. My brothers normally just let their wives decide the decorations and normally if it’s a idea they don’t like they say hey (insert their wives names here as I have 2 brothers) I don’t like this for that reason or I think this would look better over here…. My older brother technically has an office he’s a big computer guy well they both are so their set ups are pretty elaborate on their desks. Dual monitors and computer towers that they built themselves and the works but the office also often has the kids in it too because that’s where their gaming consoles are. It’s the warmest room in the house as it’s filled with all kinds of things that put off heat. I’m betting my brother is the one who decorated it but that involved him getting 2 framed pictures of inspirational quotes, he’s got his kids framed birth certificates (the first decorations that he put up) and some other things including some framed pictures I made for him. My husband literally doesn’t care but he gets to be the one who “decorates” for lack of a better word the yard and stuff outside. Personally I feel like maybe this guy got so made because she unplugged everything. I think she said she went in with her laptop and phone and so I feel like she only needed one outlet maybe and so unplugging everything could have been a bit extra but maybe not I clearly wasn’t there and he still shouldn’t have reacted like he did. I feel like they could have communicated better. I know she told him that she was sick of the bed room but maybe she should have mentioned that she was planning to try the game room as an office. I don’t know much about computers but I do know that if you go around unplugging everything without properly shutting stuff down you can ruin them especially depending on the computer/gaming console. Again like I said though he for sure could have communicated that better. Hopefully I’ve made sense it’s way past my bed time and I’m having a hard time sleeping.
“i cant set up my workspace in my game room because i don’t want to work in the same place i relax.” proceeds to force his girlfriend to work in their BEDROOM and asks her not to come out. lol
Who else loves having Morgan's dad on the podcast? I feel like he adds another dimension to the hot takes from his experience. So petition for Jerry to be in more Two Hot Takes episode!
Those kids pretending to get fired are doing every service person in the area a HUGE favor! I love it soooooo much! Hopefully the assholes will think twice before they act like Karen’s over some dumb bs the next time. You catch more flies with honey! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Several years ago before returning to college I was a restaurant store manager and I would legit yell back out or throw out customers for making my young employees cry. These were kids in my care and abuse especially over minor mistakes was insane. I invested time and teaching with these kids and they still thank me for skills learned helping in future careers. Most people would apologize once you let them see they are in fact the asshole in the situation.
THANK YOU for talking about skinny shaming. Thank you so much. All my life I’ve been told I’m as skinny as a tooth pick, i look like I’m anorexic, I need to eat more, etc. and then they would get super upset when I would comment on their weight like it was different. They don’t realize that I tried for YEARS to gain weight, even just enough to fill out a bit more and it never worked. All it did was cause me to develop an over eating disorder and to be overly conscious of my body. I used to work at a Victoria’s Secret and we were allowed to wear crop tops if we wanted and I had just started being more comfortable with my body and I had MULTIPLE people ask me if I was Vegan, anorexic or even ask what I did to get so skinny on so many occasions. It has taken me YEARS to finally be okay with my body and how skinny I am to the point I can call people out on shit like that so thank you for bringing it up for other people. It’s just as harming to people as fat shaming, just don’t comment on people’s weight at all.
I completely agree that the feeling of self consciousness is similar with both fat and skinny shaming. But as someone who has been on both ends of the spectrum, Fat shaming is different in the sense of how other people shame people who are fat. And largely how they treat fat people. People in general were much nicer when I was thin and when people did comment on my weight, it was often from a place of jealousy or phrased as a compliment. In the rare occasion that people were teasing me for how small I was, it was evident that they were projecting. It made me feel awful just the same, but when I would be fat shamed, it took on a whole different level. Fat people don't get treated the same as thin people in almost any situation. Doctors don't take fat people's issues seriously, retail workers say mean standoffish comments, no one ever fat shames from a jealousy standpoint. Or from a compliment standpoint. It is always mean and meant as such x
@@shannonclarke656 No, I completely understand, I just wanted people to know that skinny shaming is a thing as well. I will NEVER say that skinny people have it worse because we don't. I personally have overweight parents and I have heard the things people say, and I take those experiences with me as I work retail. Retail is another conversation all together, I see how there's almost never anything there and when there is, it's never anything cute and I've seen how certain retail employees treat other overweight people as well. This is why I try and help as much as I can to build up the confidence and treat people with as much respect as I can. But I will still fight that no one should comment on people's weight unless it gets to an unhealthy point, skinny or fat.
@@Baphypathrid 1000% body shaming is body shaming and just shouldn't happen at all. People just shouldn't comment on people's bodies right XD like compliment or not, I've not invited you to comment on my appearance, so don't 🥴🙃 people r wild Nice one for looking out for people :) I wish more retail staff were like you! 😊 And I'm sorry for your experiences with BS. X
@@shannonclarke656 I understand where you're coming from and I agree for the most part. BUT having been on both ends of the spectrum myself I never really had nice "compliments" when I was skinny. They were nearly always backhanded or meant to put me down as "ungrateful" for my weight. I also struggled with health issues because of how severely underweight I was and I had doctors straight up tell me that I should just be happy that I was lucky enough to fall into that category. To be clear, I'm not trying to diminish the issues plus sized people experience but often similar experiences had by crucially underweight people are swept under the rug as "not the same" when they nearly are.
@@andreaeve9631hey, that's what I meant by "phrased as a compliment" even if they were back handed. I was severely underweight in my late teens, got better and am now plus size. I am much much happier with myself now than I was then but my treatment is very very different. Not to mention the presumptuous culture around fatness, being that people presume that I don't like the way I look. Which is wrong. But that's just my experience :) different areas and people definitely has a part to play too x
I love the good energy from these gals. They are three young California stars. And Alejandra's laughing -- it is so very genuine. Keep up the good work.
The story of the coworker trying to take over the woman’s life is totally a novel I just finished reading “I Can Be A Better You” it’s a wild wild story
The story of the coworker totally gave me "the hand that rocks the cradle" vibes... I would be completely disturbed and concerned if someone like her was near me or my family
Aside from this specific story i feel like the world also accommodates to people that are thin, in a way that it wouldn’t to fat people. I feel like this is important to take into consideration when talking about the level of equality that skinny vs fat shaming are to each other, because in my opinion it’s not the same. But yes the co worker body shaming the new worker was extremely wrong, but partially so was the new worker. And body shaming in general is extremely cruel.
Yeah, and often times overweight people are threatened, treated like they are unlovable, or told to die just for existing. I think both are harmful but they are NOT AT ALL equal. My thin friends have been told to go eat a burger or called a bean pole but my big friends have literally had their lives threatened or told that their significant others are saints for being with them.
then again body shaming is bad in general and you can’t put one on a higher rank than the other bc it’s still wrong regardless. so I hate when people say this like it excuses putting down a skinny persons body.
& fat shaming vs skinny shaming is very comparable and similar. 1. they’re both about bodies, 2. both can be deemed not healthy, and especially in different cultures being fat or skinny might be praised or criticized soooo I can’t find where it’s not the same???
100% agree. For starters the chunky/slim situation I agree don’t dish out if you can’t swallow. 😂 But fat shaming and skinny shaming are equal bad at face value. BUT it’s very important to talk about the fat bias/ fat hatred that society has, in that way fatphobia is a bigger issue than skinny shaming. The argument that well you shouldn’t be fat is irrelevant because people have the right to be fat and deserve respect. I love this podcast but as creators with a platform it’s important that you talk about the whole issue and not just a small part.
@@illmindofbri6807 yes skinny shaming is awful but our points are that for the most part it ends at shaming. Society has a hatred for fat people, fat people are constantly told they ain’t worthy of love, respect, food, adequate medical, and so much more until they lose weight.
About the socks: him telling her she can't wear them outside of work is controlling and a huge red flag in my opinion. If he was so unable to accept her style of dressing, how would he act in regards of bigger issues?
I may just watch too much true crime but the lady obsessing over the write-ins’ husband and kid makes me uneasy. I could just be looking too far into it but OP definitely needs to cut off the coworker.
I'm so glad I found this channel. This feels like my childhood days when I'd open the radio and just listen to people talking. Ugh, I'm so happy. Thank you, honestly❤️
Skinny shaming is something I have suffered under and whenever I speak out and say I'm being hurt by it I'm told to shut up because I'm small and can't possibly feel negative about my body, or am told I can't have body dismorphia as a skinny girl. Yes I can, it's an official diagnosis that leads to severe eating disorders which I have because people would always make fun and say I must have these disorders to be that skinny... I'm so glad you guys touched on this!
Same all my friends say I'm not allowed to be insecure about myself and people tell me that "skinny shaming is not that important" and I have a eating disorder.
The coworker who is too into the husband/family sounds like she is looking for some type of sister wife situation otherwise I don’t know why she would be so open about it. Just a thought.
I think she wanted to make her seem bad or something by saying she is also a teen mom and multiple times. That one felt weird/degrading in a way or maybe she (the sisters bestie) just ruined other peoples relationships before too idk .
I know this is a year old comment, but I just found this pod and I'm currently binging! This was also very strange to me and I'm surprised Morgan and the crew didn't discuss that part more. The listener said he slept with her multiple times and "she's a teen mom" not "was". So did the fiancé cheat multiple times with an underage girl??? 🤢
I'm so pumped for this full episode with all 3 however Morgan's wine on the back of the couch is giving me *anxiety* 😂 that's some trust. My dogs would probably bump me and I'd knock it off. Or I'd just knock it off because I'm clumsy lol.
If anyone ever complained about something I do being "childish," that's an insta-dump. Do these people not have a single ounce of joy in their lives!? Wtf
I had been a "Karen" once because I kept getting transfered and put on hold just to get test results. The last lady was like "Well you need to call this number." I was livid. "Ma'am I called rhe number i was told to call and then transfered way too many times I don't even know what office I'm talking to now. Is it that hard to look at my charts that you already have pulled up to tell me my test results?" Like I was on the verge of crying from how frustrated I was
I love you guys and I totally agree the other coworker was also an ahole and the story is funny but skinny shaming and fat shaming aren’t the same thing, because fat people face systemic oppression in healthcare, the workforce, schools, etc etc….skinny shaming is awful and no one should make fun of other people’s bodies but that’s not what fatphobia is! It’s a lot more complex than someone being made fun of for their bodies
I worked at Kohl's and this one lady cussed me out and threatened to have me fired because we didn't have the color of sweat pants she wanted I'm a teenager. My manager crackled in this ladies face and kicked her out.
I only started watching these yesterday and I’m actually in love. I was watching it today instead of studying for an exam. It definitely helped calm me down.
If I ask you multiple times to not call me something and you continue and then tell me that it’s your mouth and you can say whatever you want then do not be surprised when i start using MY MOUTH to say what I WANT. Do not dish what you can not take smh 🤦🏽♀️ “chunky” was her being nice because she definitely could have called her much worst names .. as long as you degrade me I will do the same to you. Respect is earned not given
On the weight story and thin shaming, i have had a hard time gaining weight for years. At school I always got comments to gain weight and whether I ate or not. Fyi, I ate more than my older brothers and I was and still am the smallest in this family. Sadly because of all those comments things are kinda messed up ib my mind. Now that i am in my 20s and gained a bit of weight and look healthy, I do not feel beautiful at all. I am healthy and am not at all chubby but because of those comments I feel fat, i am figting those thoughts because I do not want to lose weight or go back at all. It's extremely wrong to give people weird nicknames because of their weight or looks unless it's with consent. And even then it might have a negative effect in the future.
i usually never get to watch these videos. usually i listen to them on spotify while getting ready for work but the videos have such a nice “gossip with your friends” kinda feel. i love it
In relation to the chunky story. I grew up overweight all my life, rarely ever did people make comments about my body however when I have lost a lot of weight (usually due to health problems) people made comments saying I was disappearing, asked if I had an eating disorder and even when told I was going through health concerns they wouldn't stop. It's taboo to body shame overweight people but being skinny there's not the same mentality. In any case people are more than their body and reducing someone to that is dehumanizing and rude. Its made me look at body positivity differently
I loved how Morgan handled the discussion about fat shaming and body shaming in general, however. Fat shaming and skinny shaming are not ever going to be the same thing. Skinny shaming is body shaming, and it is wrong, however it is not apart of larger discrimination. Overweight people have problems getting healthcare (doctors attribute any issues to their weight, a lot of times not looking any deeper. People have died because of this) lack of accessibility can be a big problem, and, just flat out, the world caters to skinny people in a way that it doesn’t for the opposite. Fashion, safety, jobs, even sex appeal through the recent decades. There is harm in any form of body shaming but the context cannot be ignored. They are not equal. The girl being called slim? NTA , good for her for not being extremely cruel and standing up for herself. But in a larger conversation outside this situation? Let’s not pretend there’s no other context okay?
You realize skinny people have problems getting healthcare as well right? My friend who is very small with chronic pain has been in pain for 15 years before ahe finally found a doctor that didn’t just say she was fine based off her weight and how she looks. The world does not “cater” to skinny people it “caters” to the average size person. That’s like saying the world doesn’t cater to shorter people because they can’t reach things on the top shelf in a store. I’ve been 300 pounds and I have been 120. I felt equally shamed at both sizes. I’ve gotten the gross comments on both ends. They are the same and I’m so sick of people trying to act like just because fat people are louder about it means it happens more.
If either of the last two happened to me I’d be in jail for murder right now. I can’t imagine allowing anyone that disrespectful anywhere near me, let alone trying to maintain any sort of relationship with them. Just ughhhh, entitled men really are something else 😠
Regarding the “hey chunky” story: the coworker should have never repeatedly body shamed her, but don’t pretend that skinny-shaming and fat-shaming are the same. Fatphobia is a systemic issue.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking; as a fat person myself, I would never comment on someone's skinniness or say anything like that coworker, but fat shaming and fatphobia have a much bigger impact on society and people as a whole. Shaming people for their body is bad regardless, but very few people- if anyone- would be okay with being fat. Fit, muscular, and appropriately curvy, maybe, but not fat.
As someone who's been both "toothpick" slim and fat, you're absolutely right. I was kinda disappointed to hear all three of them agree that skinny shaming and fat shaming are the same.
@@jennflores1122 and its extremely insensitive and ignorant to think its anywhere equal to fat shaming. sure, skinny people can get made fun of for being skinny but in the end they are still skinny and society’s beauty standard. fat people are shamed and discriminated against.
@@jennflores1122 lol yeah i am going to compare problems bc skinny ppl need to be aware of the things fat ppl go through. also i have no problems lol im not fat but i have friends that are and the things they go through are horrible. skinny ppl are trying to act like they have it so hard but they need to realize that it’s nowhere near how fat ppl have it. yeah ppl are allowed to feel any way about their body and yes they can get made of. it seems as though you are trying to erase the extreme problems fat ppl go through.
For that second write in: there is a reason your friend broke up with them. And then continually inviting her around after you already got bad vibes? That’s just looking for trouble.
Speaking of the last story with the socks, my BIL and all his groomsmen wore cool & fun prints socks for his wedding!!! It was so different and fun! I loved it! 🥰❤️
I mean I'm over weighted but the chunky reply was the best answer ever! If we don't want anyone to bully us, why are we doing those stuff? Well deserved!!!
The sock story reminds me of another AITA from the guys pov where he didn't like how his girlfriend(who is a preschool teacher) dressed for work. She dressed kind of like Ms. Frizzle from Magic School Bus. The girlfriend would make a lot of the dresses herself and the patterns on the dress would have to do with what they were studying a lot of the time(like planets). The guy in the last story and the guy from that one would be good friends.
as a fellow fun sock enthusiast, the last story BOILED MY BLOOD i’ll gladly contribute to the gofundme because that’s so upsetting. i love wearing my fun socks around the house and as a summer camp counselor, my campers LOVE it. i would be heartbroken if my boyfriend did that to me, i’m ready to send her so many socks😤😤
So I agree with the slim/chunky conflict the coworker was in the wrong BUT I think it’s important to note that there IS a difference in calling someone slim vs chunky. One is the beauty standard and the other has been systematically oppressed for decades. As someone who has been shamed on both sides of this spectrum, being called chunky hurts A LOT more. I just thought it was important to note since you guys kept saying there was no difference when there definitely is. Love ur podcast tho!
We mention this is the episode description. We weren’t speaking to the fact that one is work than the other or anything like that. We get societal standards make being overweight more difficult. Just speaking to the single problem of this story.. skinny shaming and how it’s not okay. And in the sense shaming is shaming… skinny versus fat shaming there’s no difference. It’s still sharing and wrong. That’s what we mean 😊
@@TwoHotTakes I know you guys always have very good hearts and I completely agree with you about skinny shaming! Keep up the good work; this podcast is something I look forward to every week :)
Yes! As both a skinny and fat girl, both spectrums are very different! I was told to kill myself as a fat girl meanwhile when i was skinny shamed i still felt normal and good.
Just in case you weren’t aware, just because this is the case for you does NOT mean it is for everyone. You saying one is worse than the other is so gross and you’re honestly invalidating other people’s opinions by saying that. Don’t say crap like this comment
The WFH story really got me. I live in a 1 bedroom apt. with my boyfriend and I'm a big PC gamer myself so my setup is MASSIVE - I'm talking a desk double the length of normal, a custom built PC, 3 monitors, etc. It was so important to me to keep my setup when we moved and since we wanted to save money by not getting a 2 bedroom, we ended up converting our dining room area as a gaming space for me. When the pandemmy hit, I was immediately SO THANKFUL I already had this space to use as an office. All I had to do is put my MacBook on my desk, and swap the HDMI inputs of my monitors anytime I want to switch from working to gaming. It's reallyyy not that hard to utilize your space better ESPECIALLY when living with another person.
For the gift card story: when I was a manager at a retail store, we would literally have to drive our own car to go to another store to pick up more gift cards. We always made sure we would never run out. At that point it’s a manager’s issue for not ordering the correct amount of gift cards
The retail store I used to work out had the same policy about putting a refund on the same card. It was so people couldn't fish receipts out of the bin, steal products and then return them for money.
Hey, skinny shaming isn’t as bad as fat shaming. Fat shaming is deeply engrained into society to the point fat people have been denied medical care and died. I’d much rather be called names and being able to get medical treatment, find my size, and not have to triple check that the person I’m talking to knows that I’m fat bc I’ve spent my whole life being told I’m undesirable.
story 5: NTA. BREAK UP. He doesnt get to dictate what u wear. I cant believe anyone would date him, the second he says: "they are boring" and force u to only wear them to work, thats when u break up with him. I dont understand why u continue dating him.
I had to comment on this episode. So happy to hear u ladies stick up for skinny shaming. Often when voiced about how it makes me feel I’m shamed for those feelings, like it’s not allowed be hurt when someone puts me down. Rude or mean comments are often made but because it’s not about me being over weight it’s allowed. Or others will come to their defense that the person making the rude comments have been hurt by others that it’s like they are owed this right. It happens at work and elsewhere. My in-laws often make very hurtful comments. My father in law once asked if I was ever going to get some curves and become a woman… I didn’t know my body made me a woman or not. Always thought it was who I was as a person, wife and mother. It hurts to have ur feelings dismissed when u finally get the strength to stand up for yourself and then spoken to like ur the problem or that u were the mean person who has wronged the over weight person in the passed to make them speak in such a way. I have always treated and spoke to people based off who they r and how they act. Never based off their look. Also, sadly with a life time of terrible back handed comments if my weight tried over eating, when that didn’t work I started eating extremely poorly hoping this would change my size. All it led to was insulin resistance and feeling very ill. Now I realize I have a small frame and grew up with a mother who taught me good diet habits. Not dieting but enjoying vegetables. I’ve since gotten back to eating in a way my body thrives and now feel happy and full of energy. And now know when ppl makes these terrible comments they think are justified due to there own inner pain, I know not to let it get me down. Hurting ppl hurt ppl. But ppl also shouldn’t let them get away with hurting ppl because someone may have hurt them. And sometimes they r just perceiving ppl mistreating them due to their own inner dialog.
Btw all I have ever wanted is curves. So all the comments were never taken as compliments and also were never meant as one. Especially in a day and age where having curves is thought of as sexy.
I totally get this. One time I went to a store and asked an employee for a size 0 instead of the 2 I tried on. She scoffs and says zero isn’t a size, told me to check the kid’s section and laughed a bit. I was so hurt in the moment because I was made fun of my entire life for being petite and fit….
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As someone’s who’s overweight- that girl who kept calling the other girl slim even after op asked her not to Is such an asshole. That’s rude no matter the weight. Don’t comment on others body’s ESPECIALLY after they point blank say don’t say that
totally agree!
Exactly!!
For real… I’ve been both a size 0 and a 14 (even in the past year or so) from either bad habits or medical conditions. I was honestly ‘skinny shamed’ by other girls who were a little heavier themselves, more than I was ever ‘fat shamed’ by a skinny person. So weird. It hurts especially when I’m excited thinking, “oh I can relate to this person, I hope we’ll get along well!” And then they’re so assuming and angry at me. Mostly happens at work too.
@@HaleKelsey1 I had the same experience I was called anorexic in school just because I had a high metabolism which evened out after my little boy was born.
@@farrahfarmer9287 it’s so unbelievable when people are naturally skinny and people do that too 😂 like… they’ve likely seen you grow up a bit and are aware it’s natural- but give people hell anyways to try and *put them down. Hurt people, hurt people.
I felt like I was in a gossiping book club 😭 I love having all three people on the podcast
as a skinny person i will never know how fatphobia feels, but i FIRMLY believe that it’s inappropriate to make comments about anyones body regardless of size. people tend to feel more comfortable commenting on skinny peoples appearances because they see it as a “compliment”. im only as skinny as i am because of mental/physical health issues and my adhd meds. i get comments about my size every day at work from older coworkers and customers. i literally explained to my coworker why i was underweight and she just made another joke about me selling her my meds to help her lose weight UGH it’s so rude to comment on someone’s weight or body type
It disgusting how people think commenting on weight is a compliment. My ex-friends creepy dad saw me for the first time last year and said I looked like I gained weight even though he hasn't seen me in years and I actually lost weight during the pandemic. I only looked chubby because my uniform was too big and I didn't have a replacement and I've always been fairly comfortable with my weight and never been on a diet. A couple weeks after he said that he saw me in a body hugging dress for a school event and offered to drive me home and the ride was so uncomfortable because he kept talking about how I 'looked better this way' and 'you shouldn't gain anymore weight you're perfect like this' it made me feel disgusting.
You nailed it. I was called anorexic and gorger and puker and all that stuff in high school and I was never like that I ended up getting an eating disorder because of that as well as some family tram around food so my weights really sensitive to me and I have a girlfriend whose a much bigger girl and I love her for that and he doesn't mind that I complain when I'm too skinny and she complains to me when she's with your fat it's the way we live with each other and it's beautiful
I was looking for this comment, that story pissed me off so much. Because if don't know everything OP can easily be called fatphobic, when in reality she was just making a point. It just like you said, I will never understand fatphobia because I'm not fat, but that doesn't mean that it's okay to say shit about my body and NOT TO ME MY NAME because of the way my body looks. Specially because OP asked her to stop and she didn´t. I result of fatphobia is people feeling likes it's okay to comment on people's bodies, that includes skinny people, because it's okay cause you're skinny and heakthy so it's not a problem. well, sometimes being skinnier doesn't mean you're healthier...
THIS COMMENT! Sure, as a skinny person I will indeed never know that, but a fat person will never understand that for some people it is hard to gain weight and those comments can be triggers.
Society has such fixation on skinny = good than when a skinny person complains about anything related to weight is called "ungrateful" or something of the sort. I know the struggle of trying to gain 1kg for over years without any success. I ATE a lot, more than some of my guy friends, but my metabolism was just too fast. My body mass was low, I always did sports so my muscle aches were BAD, I was always cold, but I had no right to complain because "I mean, you are skinny"
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Uuuughhhh so true !!!they convince themselves it's okay if the person is skinny, 'it's complimenting.'But then they say shit like 'eat a cheeseburger 'I get that from old people at my work all the time. How is that a compliment???? You're telling me I shouldn't be this size ! It doesn't matter what size you are no one wants to feel like their body is wrong. It's never okay !!!!
thanks to this episode: my skin is clear. my crops are thriving. my grades are up. i have 20/20 vision. the sun is shining. it's chaotic, i love it and i want more.
HAHAHA you always have the best comments 😂
“Morning, Chunky” I LOST IT LMAO
Same!🤣🤣🤣
Dude i was trying to sleep and sometimes having noise in the bkground helps me fall asleep better but when i heard that part i started cracking up in bed with my eyes closed 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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I know it is a little immature to retaliate, but she seemed like she didn’t have other options, and it was pretty funny 😂
Same 😂😂😂
For the slim shaming- I have IBS and for years I had a really tough time eating, especially gaining weight. It was a really hard time for me I was so young too (12 years old) and I was dangerously underweight, i used to be sick all the time because I had no immune system really and all I wanted is to gain weight and I couldn’t. I was in and out of hospitals and still found nothing that could help me to finally be healthy. Meanwhile everyone around me was saying things like how great that I am so skinny and why would I want to gain weight and stuff but also why would I not eat, I need to eat, I need some meat on my bones. This went on until I was around 18 when I finally could gain weight and start eating without feeling sick.
It’s NOT a compliment. Please stop saying things like this to skinny people, it’s so disrespectful. You’ll never know what a person is going through inside about these stuff.
Yeah I had that too I had anorexia and everybody was like ahh you have so small armsssss ur so thinnnn you are soooo anorexia oh wow that helps thanks for saying it over and over that I'm to thin I know I am, I live in the Netherlands so kg and cm
I was 50 kilo when I was 175 and that's really under weight and for a long time I just couldn't eat and it really hurt me
@@danielleinthehouseee8773 ahh same:( i was 12 years old 150cm and 32kg. I was so skinny you could see every bone in my body. It’s just so triggering…All you want is to be healthy and people saying stuff like this just doesn’t help. Hope you are okay now!🤍
@@raschellakimberly8155 yeah I got more weight now and what funny now everybody says hey u got thic. You should be skinnier. Wow what the hell I'm finally normal weight but now I'm not skinny enaugh what a bullshit, are you okey?
@@danielleinthehouseee8773 people man😐 don’t even listen to their bullshit. I am 21 now and I am a lot more healthier than I used to be. I’ve gained some weight and I feel so much better.☺️ I still have a hard time eating sometimes, my IBS sadly is still giving me troubles but it’s a lot better now and I have an amazing support system around me so that helps a lot!
I have really severe IBS-D as well and during a year long flare up (it was horrible) I once lost 20 lbs in 2 weeks. I returned from covid working from home (my place of work was closed for a while so we all worked from home) I was getting compliments about my weight loss from coworkers. Like, no don't compliment me on that. I suffered and was in so much pain for a year, its not something to celebrate.
I feel like the last story (one where the bf threw away the fun socks) has a major issue with his girlfriend being 5 years younger than him. Like he is super sensitive about her appearance and coming across as mature/put together, “embarrassing him” in front of his family… he has a complex about her age.
I don't think he has a complex about her age, I think he thinks that he can control her easily because she's younger than him. This is why I don't date older men. They purposely seek out younger women for this exact reason. They think they can mould you into whoever they want you to be.
Bro I swear I read a story that was from the boyfriend’s perspective on Reddit too 😂
As a very thin person I want to say that constantly calling somebody "slim" and "toothpick" does something to a person. Just because I'm not fat doesn't mean I feel comfortable with my body. That's how eating disorders develop. Just don't comment on people's body. Period.
Yeah people think they can touch my body and say whatever they want about it because "thin is the beauty standard" so I apparently have no right to be self conscious or offended. It's just so not true. People only like skinny if it comes with a butt and boobs. I grew up in a diverse area, where curvier bodies have always been coveted even before the BBL era began, and was mocked my entire life for being skinny. It's never been a compliment to me and makes me feel like less of a woman when people talk about how thin I am.
Idk how I thought Lauren and Alejandra were the same person
No cause I thought they where the same person too
I thought that too. It's weird.
@@anushreesharma726 hahah okay I’m glad I wasn’t the only one 😂😅
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I did for the longest but after like three or four episodes I was like .. whoa 🤯 lol. It all made sense.
My doctor also wears fun socks and I enjoy them, it makes me less nervous and you see they have personalities and not just boring scrubs with serious questions. If someone threw away my fun socks I’d be so mad.
I’m a med student, and I always wear my fun compression socks! Functional and funky :D I started doing it when I worked at a nursing home where fun scrubs/socks were encouraged, and it just stuck!
I really appreciate the slim shaming talk. As a kid one of the few compliments thats I got as a child was that I was a slim figure. I was always bothered about my lack of chest but at least I was slim. Now as an adult I am having a hard time excepting that I have filled out especially since giving birth to my 7 week old. My husband says that he likes my more curvy self but I am having a hard time dealing and really want to lose weight and be more fit. I realize that I have matured and am no longer 16 but still have troubles looking in the mirror and being happy wishing that I was the skinny girl. At times I kinda wish that maybe as a child that it hadn't been brought up as much by parents or grandparents.
You sound like a good person which makes you beautiful no matter how you look, though I bet you’ve always looked great! 💖
I relate to this.
Ik this comment is old but I just wanted to say this really resonated with me (binging THT after finding them lol), I was a very slim kid/teenager and have struggled with mental health and subsequent weight gain as a YA, and feel I would probably feel better about my body if I hadn’t always had my worth reinforced as a “skinny girl” in my youth
The story with the socks, if someone is embarrassed by your quirks then he doesn’t need to be in your life.
Simplypodlogical had an episode about this and Ben mentioned an important port that this is the type of behavior that comes before abusive behaviors (if you don’t already think it is abusive to throw away your partner’s stuff). I would cry missing my socks and finding out that my partner doesn’t care about me ☹️
Stories like this make me wonder why people are in relationships when it doesn’t even seem like they like their SO. You’re supposed to like each other, if not, what’s the point?
As someone who has an eating disorder & was kept secret throughout all of high school and college( and even still only a select few know), comments on my body is incredibly damaging, even if they were “compliments”. Being complimented on weight loss or asked for my gym routine right after going through a lapse of losing 20 lbs in about 2 weeks, left me feeling guilty, shame, and alone. I wasn’t healthy, I didn’t look healthy, I felt awful. Yet my friends and family were praising me. It’s horrible, and enabled my behaviors & put myself in dangerous health situations. We need to stop associating “thin” with “healthy”it’s bad for everyone of any body type.
THISS!!! thank you . i’ve never been thin a day in my life. i’ve always been on obese side of a BMI chart. However my freshman year of college i was going full time (because it was also my senior year of high school so i had to be enrolled full time to be a dual enrollment student) and i was also working full time with 50-60 hours a week. the work was soooo much for me that i would have so much stress i would forget to eat. i was losing weight fast unintentionally and people kept praising me for how much weight i was losing and how “good i looked now” even my own family when they knew i would hardly have a bite to eat.. but anyways, different situation same comments. they went back and forth in my head when i finally got a good balance between work and school after high school graduation and i gained weight back. i wanted to purposely stress myself out to that point again but i knew it wasn’t right
The fourth reddit story is so triggering to me. I was married to a guy and we had a very similar situation. The spare room was his mancave and I was to act accordingly in all of the common areas. Accordingly was quiet and out of the way. Now that I'm away from it I realize how emotionally abusive that was. I'm not your kid or your puppy I'm your wife, your equal. I LIVE HERE TOO! With this story pretty much he's saying that the entire house is his and she needs to stay in the bedroom out of the way. With my ex it started bleeding into other aspects of our life together and I finally left when I realized he was just super selfish and entitled. (In our situation the final straw was silly; A velvet zombie Jimmy Hendricks painting hung in our dining room where we hosted family gatherings for our extended family. He put it up without asking me and it 100% didn't fit in that room. When I told him I would feel more comfortable with him putting it in any other room he turned it into a huge fight finally screaming at me what I had been suspecting "This is MY house and I'll decorate it however the F*** I want!" We moved into the house together and paid equal bills.) Everything was always about him and his comfort. EVERYTHING. When you're not being treated as an equal in the relationship it's time to goooo.
So sorry to hear that 😢 hope things are better for you now:) How did he react when you filed for divorce?
I’m about 2 years late to comment but I’m really sorry you were treated that way. I’ve heard of men and women being protective of their person possessions but I’ve never heard of a man so intense on how it was decorated. My brothers normally just let their wives decide the decorations and normally if it’s a idea they don’t like they say hey (insert their wives names here as I have 2 brothers) I don’t like this for that reason or I think this would look better over here…. My older brother technically has an office he’s a big computer guy well they both are so their set ups are pretty elaborate on their desks. Dual monitors and computer towers that they built themselves and the works but the office also often has the kids in it too because that’s where their gaming consoles are. It’s the warmest room in the house as it’s filled with all kinds of things that put off heat. I’m betting my brother is the one who decorated it but that involved him getting 2 framed pictures of inspirational quotes, he’s got his kids framed birth certificates (the first decorations that he put up) and some other things including some framed pictures I made for him.
My husband literally doesn’t care but he gets to be the one who “decorates” for lack of a better word the yard and stuff outside.
Personally I feel like maybe this guy got so made because she unplugged everything. I think she said she went in with her laptop and phone and so I feel like she only needed one outlet maybe and so unplugging everything could have been a bit extra but maybe not I clearly wasn’t there and he still shouldn’t have reacted like he did. I feel like they could have communicated better. I know she told him that she was sick of the bed room but maybe she should have mentioned that she was planning to try the game room as an office. I don’t know much about computers but I do know that if you go around unplugging everything without properly shutting stuff down you can ruin them especially depending on the computer/gaming console. Again like I said though he for sure could have communicated that better. Hopefully I’ve made sense it’s way past my bed time and I’m having a hard time sleeping.
First story gives me “we were on a break” vibes
Total Ross!
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Why not both?
Oh MY GOD! My ex said we were on a break- and when I said he broke up with me he said ‘no- we were on a break’ DA fuk
"We were on a break"
fun tip: not everyone likes being referred to by their physical appearance. just don't do it. people have names for a reason.
“i cant set up my workspace in my game room because i don’t want to work in the same place i relax.” proceeds to force his girlfriend to work in their BEDROOM and asks her not to come out. lol
Who else loves having Morgan's dad on the podcast? I feel like he adds another dimension to the hot takes from his experience. So petition for Jerry to be in more Two Hot Takes episode!
Hi this is Morgan’s dad on Father’s Day I look forward to coming back on... xo
Yeah, in Mexico we say “chaparra” for short girls! But I feel like it’s a cute thing, nothing bad haha
this podcast has become apart of my weekly routine 🤩
Same but daily
Same
I’ve been binging and I’m scared I’m close to running out of episodes 😭
Those kids pretending to get fired are doing every service person in the area a HUGE favor! I love it soooooo much! Hopefully the assholes will think twice before they act like Karen’s over some dumb bs the next time. You catch more flies with honey! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
This is the literal opposite of honey lol.
i agree like it is completely harmless to make them think they got someone fired
Several years ago before returning to college I was a restaurant store manager and I would legit yell back out or throw out customers for making my young employees cry. These were kids in my care and abuse especially over minor mistakes was insane. I invested time and teaching with these kids and they still thank me for skills learned helping in future careers. Most people would apologize once you let them see they are in fact the asshole in the situation.
THANK YOU for talking about skinny shaming. Thank you so much. All my life I’ve been told I’m as skinny as a tooth pick, i look like I’m anorexic, I need to eat more, etc. and then they would get super upset when I would comment on their weight like it was different. They don’t realize that I tried for YEARS to gain weight, even just enough to fill out a bit more and it never worked. All it did was cause me to develop an over eating disorder and to be overly conscious of my body. I used to work at a Victoria’s Secret and we were allowed to wear crop tops if we wanted and I had just started being more comfortable with my body and I had MULTIPLE people ask me if I was Vegan, anorexic or even ask what I did to get so skinny on so many occasions. It has taken me YEARS to finally be okay with my body and how skinny I am to the point I can call people out on shit like that so thank you for bringing it up for other people. It’s just as harming to people as fat shaming, just don’t comment on people’s weight at all.
I completely agree that the feeling of self consciousness is similar with both fat and skinny shaming. But as someone who has been on both ends of the spectrum, Fat shaming is different in the sense of how other people shame people who are fat. And largely how they treat fat people. People in general were much nicer when I was thin and when people did comment on my weight, it was often from a place of jealousy or phrased as a compliment. In the rare occasion that people were teasing me for how small I was, it was evident that they were projecting. It made me feel awful just the same, but when I would be fat shamed, it took on a whole different level. Fat people don't get treated the same as thin people in almost any situation. Doctors don't take fat people's issues seriously, retail workers say mean standoffish comments, no one ever fat shames from a jealousy standpoint. Or from a compliment standpoint. It is always mean and meant as such x
@@shannonclarke656 No, I completely understand, I just wanted people to know that skinny shaming is a thing as well. I will NEVER say that skinny people have it worse because we don't. I personally have overweight parents and I have heard the things people say, and I take those experiences with me as I work retail. Retail is another conversation all together, I see how there's almost never anything there and when there is, it's never anything cute and I've seen how certain retail employees treat other overweight people as well. This is why I try and help as much as I can to build up the confidence and treat people with as much respect as I can. But I will still fight that no one should comment on people's weight unless it gets to an unhealthy point, skinny or fat.
@@Baphypathrid 1000% body shaming is body shaming and just shouldn't happen at all.
People just shouldn't comment on people's bodies right XD like compliment or not, I've not invited you to comment on my appearance, so don't 🥴🙃 people r wild
Nice one for looking out for people :) I wish more retail staff were like you! 😊
And I'm sorry for your experiences with BS. X
@@shannonclarke656 I understand where you're coming from and I agree for the most part. BUT having been on both ends of the spectrum myself I never really had nice "compliments" when I was skinny. They were nearly always backhanded or meant to put me down as "ungrateful" for my weight. I also struggled with health issues because of how severely underweight I was and I had doctors straight up tell me that I should just be happy that I was lucky enough to fall into that category. To be clear, I'm not trying to diminish the issues plus sized people experience but often similar experiences had by crucially underweight people are swept under the rug as "not the same" when they nearly are.
@@andreaeve9631hey, that's what I meant by "phrased as a compliment" even if they were back handed.
I was severely underweight in my late teens, got better and am now plus size. I am much much happier with myself now than I was then but my treatment is very very different. Not to mention the presumptuous culture around fatness, being that people presume that I don't like the way I look. Which is wrong. But that's just my experience :) different areas and people definitely has a part to play too x
The glass of red wine sitting on top of the couch gave me anxiety
was looking for a comment like this😂 I’ve had my eye on it haha
I was so so cautious 😂 I just didn’t have easy access anywhere else
At least it wasn't just me
Morgan is a pro @ couch wine.
Seems like she never drinks it tho.
So it's just for stress factor haha
If we didn’t already know they were baddies 😂
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Slim shaming is a real problem appreciate you not belittling it like a lot of people I know...
It’s as big as an issue as fat shaming, just not as talked about, you can’t be to thin, and can’t be to thick it’s sad
I love the good energy from these gals. They are three young California stars. And Alejandra's laughing -- it is so very genuine. Keep up the good work.
The story of the coworker trying to take over the woman’s life is totally a novel I just finished reading “I Can Be A Better You” it’s a wild wild story
Nb listener here - I really appreciate that you brought it up and apologized for the misgendering. You brought me back in. Thank you!
The story of the coworker totally gave me "the hand that rocks the cradle" vibes... I would be completely disturbed and concerned if someone like her was near me or my family
Yes! I was thinking this the whole time. Such an underrated movie - super creepy 🙈
I thought the same
Aside from this specific story i feel like the world also accommodates to people that are thin, in a way that it wouldn’t to fat people. I feel like this is important to take into consideration when talking about the level of equality that skinny vs fat shaming are to each other, because in my opinion it’s not the same. But yes the co worker body shaming the new worker was extremely wrong, but partially so was the new worker. And body shaming in general is extremely cruel.
Yeah, and often times overweight people are threatened, treated like they are unlovable, or told to die just for existing. I think both are harmful but they are NOT AT ALL equal. My thin friends have been told to go eat a burger or called a bean pole but my big friends have literally had their lives threatened or told that their significant others are saints for being with them.
then again body shaming is bad in general and you can’t put one on a higher rank than the other bc it’s still wrong regardless. so I hate when people say this like it excuses putting down a skinny persons body.
& fat shaming vs skinny shaming is very comparable and similar. 1. they’re both about bodies, 2. both can be deemed not healthy, and especially in different cultures being fat or skinny might be praised or criticized soooo I can’t find where it’s not the same???
100% agree. For starters the chunky/slim situation I agree don’t dish out if you can’t swallow. 😂 But fat shaming and skinny shaming are equal bad at face value. BUT it’s very important to talk about the fat bias/ fat hatred that society has, in that way fatphobia is a bigger issue than skinny shaming. The argument that well you shouldn’t be fat is irrelevant because people have the right to be fat and deserve respect. I love this podcast but as creators with a platform it’s important that you talk about the whole issue and not just a small part.
@@illmindofbri6807 yes skinny shaming is awful but our points are that for the most part it ends at shaming. Society has a hatred for fat people, fat people are constantly told they ain’t worthy of love, respect, food, adequate medical, and so much more until they lose weight.
I'm absolutely LIVING for this podcast. I wish there were a million episodes so I could binge at work. Please never stop making these!
As you said, "Don't comment on people's WEIGHT" it switched to a Weight Watchers' commercial. The timing was ironic as hell. 🤷♀️🤣
About the socks: him telling her she can't wear them outside of work is controlling and a huge red flag in my opinion. If he was so unable to accept her style of dressing, how would he act in regards of bigger issues?
Definitely abusive behavior or precursor to abusive behavior
I may just watch too much true crime but the lady obsessing over the write-ins’ husband and kid makes me uneasy. I could just be looking too far into it but OP definitely needs to cut off the coworker.
Seriously gives me Heidi Broussard vibes 😬
@@udderlylost1178 I just searched up that case and good grief it is terrible. I hope nothing like that happens to OP
This ! Yes keep her far away. I’d go as far to say get another job so she has ZERO access whatsoever!
Got the same vibes, honestly. She has to cut that coworker off asap
I was thinking the exact same thing! It’s giving very much obsessed vibes tbh, it seems like she really is trying to replace and take over her life
We’re gonna need more of all 3 of you!
I'm so glad I found this channel. This feels like my childhood days when I'd open the radio and just listen to people talking. Ugh, I'm so happy. Thank you, honestly❤️
Skinny shaming is something I have suffered under and whenever I speak out and say I'm being hurt by it I'm told to shut up because I'm small and can't possibly feel negative about my body, or am told I can't have body dismorphia as a skinny girl. Yes I can, it's an official diagnosis that leads to severe eating disorders which I have because people would always make fun and say I must have these disorders to be that skinny... I'm so glad you guys touched on this!
Same all my friends say I'm not allowed to be insecure about myself and people tell me that "skinny shaming is not that important" and I have a eating disorder.
The coworker who is too into the husband/family sounds like she is looking for some type of sister wife situation otherwise I don’t know why she would be so open about it. Just a thought.
YES, thank you for this.Three absolutely badass women, love seeing you guys all together
The mentioning of the best friend being a “teen mom” is soo weird like is he the father?!??!?
I think she wanted to make her seem bad or something by saying she is also a teen mom and multiple times. That one felt weird/degrading in a way or maybe she (the sisters bestie) just ruined other peoples relationships before too idk .
I know this is a year old comment, but I just found this pod and I'm currently binging!
This was also very strange to me and I'm surprised Morgan and the crew didn't discuss that part more. The listener said he slept with her multiple times and "she's a teen mom" not "was". So did the fiancé cheat multiple times with an underage girl??? 🤢
I'm so pumped for this full episode with all 3 however Morgan's wine on the back of the couch is giving me *anxiety* 😂 that's some trust. My dogs would probably bump me and I'd knock it off. Or I'd just knock it off because I'm clumsy lol.
If anyone ever complained about something I do being "childish," that's an insta-dump. Do these people not have a single ounce of joy in their lives!? Wtf
The sock story... As an avid lover of socks (I have a ton as well) that is crossing the line! Special socks aren't cheap. What a jerk!!
I had been a "Karen" once because I kept getting transfered and put on hold just to get test results. The last lady was like "Well you need to call this number." I was livid. "Ma'am I called rhe number i was told to call and then transfered way too many times I don't even know what office I'm talking to now. Is it that hard to look at my charts that you already have pulled up to tell me my test results?"
Like I was on the verge of crying from how frustrated I was
I love you guys and I totally agree the other coworker was also an ahole and the story is funny but skinny shaming and fat shaming aren’t the same thing, because fat people face systemic oppression in healthcare, the workforce, schools, etc etc….skinny shaming is awful and no one should make fun of other people’s bodies but that’s not what fatphobia is! It’s a lot more complex than someone being made fun of for their bodies
I worked at Kohl's and this one lady cussed me out and threatened to have me fired because we didn't have the color of sweat pants she wanted I'm a teenager. My manager crackled in this ladies face and kicked her out.
I only started watching these yesterday and I’m actually in love. I was watching it today instead of studying for an exam. It definitely helped calm me down.
The three of you have such great chemistry! Make it three hot takes permanently
I ABSOLUTELY love when your three do a podcast together ❤❤
If I ask you multiple times to not call me something and you continue and then tell me that it’s your mouth and you can say whatever you want then do not be surprised when i start using MY MOUTH to say what I WANT. Do not dish what you can not take smh 🤦🏽♀️ “chunky” was her being nice because she definitely could have called her much worst names .. as long as you degrade me I will do the same to you. Respect is earned not given
i love listening to the stories but you guys distract me sometimes cuz you’re all so pretty 🥺
I’m thoroughly upset by the socks getting thrown away! I might not get sleep tonight.
My two favorite co-hosts in one episode!
On the weight story and thin shaming, i have had a hard time gaining weight for years. At school I always got comments to gain weight and whether I ate or not. Fyi, I ate more than my older brothers and I was and still am the smallest in this family. Sadly because of all those comments things are kinda messed up ib my mind. Now that i am in my 20s and gained a bit of weight and look healthy, I do not feel beautiful at all. I am healthy and am not at all chubby but because of those comments I feel fat, i am figting those thoughts because I do not want to lose weight or go back at all. It's extremely wrong to give people weird nicknames because of their weight or looks unless it's with consent. And even then it might have a negative effect in the future.
i usually never get to watch these videos. usually i listen to them on spotify while getting ready for work but the videos have such a nice “gossip with your friends” kinda feel. i love it
In relation to the chunky story. I grew up overweight all my life, rarely ever did people make comments about my body however when I have lost a lot of weight (usually due to health problems) people made comments saying I was disappearing, asked if I had an eating disorder and even when told I was going through health concerns they wouldn't stop. It's taboo to body shame overweight people but being skinny there's not the same mentality. In any case people are more than their body and reducing someone to that is dehumanizing and rude. Its made me look at body positivity differently
I like listening to your podcasts, because you actually justify both sides before deciding, which is just so fresh
I loved how Morgan handled the discussion about fat shaming and body shaming in general, however. Fat shaming and skinny shaming are not ever going to be the same thing. Skinny shaming is body shaming, and it is wrong, however it is not apart of larger discrimination. Overweight people have problems getting healthcare (doctors attribute any issues to their weight, a lot of times not looking any deeper. People have died because of this) lack of accessibility can be a big problem, and, just flat out, the world caters to skinny people in a way that it doesn’t for the opposite. Fashion, safety, jobs, even sex appeal through the recent decades. There is harm in any form of body shaming but the context cannot be ignored. They are not equal.
The girl being called slim? NTA , good for her for not being extremely cruel and standing up for herself. But in a larger conversation outside this situation? Let’s not pretend there’s no other context okay?
You realize skinny people have problems getting healthcare as well right? My friend who is very small with chronic pain has been in pain for 15 years before ahe finally found a doctor that didn’t just say she was fine based off her weight and how she looks. The world does not “cater” to skinny people it “caters” to the average size person. That’s like saying the world doesn’t cater to shorter people because they can’t reach things on the top shelf in a store. I’ve been 300 pounds and I have been 120. I felt equally shamed at both sizes. I’ve gotten the gross comments on both ends. They are the same and I’m so sick of people trying to act like just because fat people are louder about it means it happens more.
I knew I loved Alejandra for a reason! Knowing Lil Wayne lyrics is chef’s kiss 😊
If either of the last two happened to me I’d be in jail for murder right now. I can’t imagine allowing anyone that disrespectful anywhere near me, let alone trying to maintain any sort of relationship with them. Just ughhhh, entitled men really are something else 😠
Morgan means "chaparra" or "Chaparrita" means little and dwarf they use it in Mexico
Regarding the “hey chunky” story: the coworker should have never repeatedly body shamed her, but don’t pretend that skinny-shaming and fat-shaming are the same. Fatphobia is a systemic issue.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking; as a fat person myself, I would never comment on someone's skinniness or say anything like that coworker, but fat shaming and fatphobia have a much bigger impact on society and people as a whole. Shaming people for their body is bad regardless, but very few people- if anyone- would be okay with being fat. Fit, muscular, and appropriately curvy, maybe, but not fat.
i was thinking the same thing. especially everyone saying “slim shaming” like wtf thats not even a thing.
As someone who's been both "toothpick" slim and fat, you're absolutely right. I was kinda disappointed to hear all three of them agree that skinny shaming and fat shaming are the same.
@@jennflores1122 and its extremely insensitive and ignorant to think its anywhere equal to fat shaming. sure, skinny people can get made fun of for being skinny but in the end they are still skinny and society’s beauty standard. fat people are shamed and discriminated against.
@@jennflores1122 lol yeah i am going to compare problems bc skinny ppl need to be aware of the things fat ppl go through. also i have no problems lol im not fat but i have friends that are and the things they go through are horrible. skinny ppl are trying to act like they have it so hard but they need to realize that it’s nowhere near how fat ppl have it. yeah ppl are allowed to feel any way about their body and yes they can get made of. it seems as though you are trying to erase the extreme problems fat ppl go through.
You are seriously amazing, I love you all so much, watching/listening is like my go to daily routine
I’m so glad I discovered this podcast! It’s so entertaining and so so well prepared 😊
so excited to see all three of you together!! this is gonna be a fun episode
For that second write in: there is a reason your friend broke up with them. And then continually inviting her around after you already got bad vibes? That’s just looking for trouble.
Speaking of the last story with the socks, my BIL and all his groomsmen wore cool & fun prints socks for his wedding!!! It was so different and fun! I loved it! 🥰❤️
When I have low blood pressure, I watch this podcast. Makes my blood boil everytime! 🔥🔥🔥
we need more of this trio!!!
I mean I'm over weighted but the chunky reply was the best answer ever! If we don't want anyone to bully us, why are we doing those stuff? Well deserved!!!
I'm rewatching THT episodes and this one was SO FUN to listen to, specially the origin of your friendships in the beginning!
The sock story reminds me of another AITA from the guys pov where he didn't like how his girlfriend(who is a preschool teacher) dressed for work. She dressed kind of like Ms. Frizzle from Magic School Bus. The girlfriend would make a lot of the dresses herself and the patterns on the dress would have to do with what they were studying a lot of the time(like planets). The guy in the last story and the guy from that one would be good friends.
That sounds dumb shes teaching kids? Dressing fun for fun!
Morgan, we LOVE when Jerry is on!
Please do one with the 3 of you again 🥺✨🖤 this was amazing
Morgan, National Treasure was my comfort movie for a long time, too!
I’ve been tempted to call people fat because of how rude people can be when you’re skinny 😭 I just never had the audacity!
As if people aren’t already rude to fat people
I like how you guys are so chill drinking some wine 🍷😌
as a fellow fun sock enthusiast, the last story BOILED MY BLOOD i’ll gladly contribute to the gofundme because that’s so upsetting. i love wearing my fun socks around the house and as a summer camp counselor, my campers LOVE it. i would be heartbroken if my boyfriend did that to me, i’m ready to send her so many socks😤😤
dude the coffee shop firing story… give them an award.
I'm glad I'm seeing Alejandra & Lauren next to eachother because sometimes I get y'all mixed up 😅😅😅
I love that on day 2 Laurens holding the mic so Alehandro can talk with her hands❤️
So I agree with the slim/chunky conflict the coworker was in the wrong BUT I think it’s important to note that there IS a difference in calling someone slim vs chunky. One is the beauty standard and the other has been systematically oppressed for decades. As someone who has been shamed on both sides of this spectrum, being called chunky hurts A LOT more. I just thought it was important to note since you guys kept saying there was no difference when there definitely is. Love ur podcast tho!
(That being said making an unwarranted comment about someone else’s body is NOT okay even if you think it’s a compliment, slim or chunky)
We mention this is the episode description. We weren’t speaking to the fact that one is work than the other or anything like that. We get societal standards make being overweight more difficult. Just speaking to the single problem of this story.. skinny shaming and how it’s not okay. And in the sense shaming is shaming… skinny versus fat shaming there’s no difference. It’s still sharing and wrong. That’s what we mean 😊
@@TwoHotTakes I know you guys always have very good hearts and I completely agree with you about skinny shaming! Keep up the good work; this podcast is something I look forward to every week :)
Yes! As both a skinny and fat girl, both spectrums are very different! I was told to kill myself as a fat girl meanwhile when i was skinny shamed i still felt normal and good.
Just in case you weren’t aware, just because this is the case for you does NOT mean it is for everyone. You saying one is worse than the other is so gross and you’re honestly invalidating other people’s opinions by saying that. Don’t say crap like this comment
The WFH story really got me. I live in a 1 bedroom apt. with my boyfriend and I'm a big PC gamer myself so my setup is MASSIVE - I'm talking a desk double the length of normal, a custom built PC, 3 monitors, etc. It was so important to me to keep my setup when we moved and since we wanted to save money by not getting a 2 bedroom, we ended up converting our dining room area as a gaming space for me. When the pandemmy hit, I was immediately SO THANKFUL I already had this space to use as an office. All I had to do is put my MacBook on my desk, and swap the HDMI inputs of my monitors anytime I want to switch from working to gaming. It's reallyyy not that hard to utilize your space better ESPECIALLY when living with another person.
sometimes i swear Alejandra is in her own world😂 shes always like “oh hes married? oh thats a she not a he?” like girl were you even listening?! 😂🤣
I can barely tell the difference between Alejandra & Lauren so I had to come on TH-cam hahahhaa
Ross: WE WERE ON A BREAK!!! 😂
I literally cried during that episode I was so disappointed in Ross !! Hahaha 😭
The three of them together 🤣🤣 i laugh cried like three times hilarious. Love their friendship
For the gift card story: when I was a manager at a retail store, we would literally have to drive our own car to go to another store to pick up more gift cards. We always made sure we would never run out. At that point it’s a manager’s issue for not ordering the correct amount of gift cards
“Hi Chunky” freaking got me 😂😂😂😂
The retail store I used to work out had the same policy about putting a refund on the same card. It was so people couldn't fish receipts out of the bin, steal products and then return them for money.
I loved when Alejandra was cracking up over "obese bitch". Morgan's delivery with that line was everythingggg tho for sure. Absolutely hilarious 😂
Hey, skinny shaming isn’t as bad as fat shaming. Fat shaming is deeply engrained into society to the point fat people have been denied medical care and died. I’d much rather be called names and being able to get medical treatment, find my size, and not have to triple check that the person I’m talking to knows that I’m fat bc I’ve spent my whole life being told I’m undesirable.
story 5: NTA. BREAK UP. He doesnt get to dictate what u wear. I cant believe anyone would date him, the second he says: "they are boring" and force u to only wear them to work, thats when u break up with him. I dont understand why u continue dating him.
Wearing my fun socks way more often out of spite. F that guy for real
I had to comment on this episode. So happy to hear u ladies stick up for skinny shaming. Often when voiced about how it makes me feel I’m shamed for those feelings, like it’s not allowed be hurt when someone puts me down. Rude or mean comments are often made but because it’s not about me being over weight it’s allowed. Or others will come to their defense that the person making the rude comments have been hurt by others that it’s like they are owed this right. It happens at work and elsewhere. My in-laws often make very hurtful comments. My father in law once asked if I was ever going to get some curves and become a woman… I didn’t know my body made me a woman or not. Always thought it was who I was as a person, wife and mother. It hurts to have ur feelings dismissed when u finally get the strength to stand up for yourself and then spoken to like ur the problem or that u were the mean person who has wronged the over weight person in the passed to make them speak in such a way. I have always treated and spoke to people based off who they r and how they act. Never based off their look. Also, sadly with a life time of terrible back handed comments if my weight tried over eating, when that didn’t work I started eating extremely poorly hoping this would change my size. All it led to was insulin resistance and feeling very ill. Now I realize I have a small frame and grew up with a mother who taught me good diet habits. Not dieting but enjoying vegetables. I’ve since gotten back to eating in a way my body thrives and now feel happy and full of energy. And now know when ppl makes these terrible comments they think are justified due to there own inner pain, I know not to let it get me down. Hurting ppl hurt ppl. But ppl also shouldn’t let them get away with hurting ppl because someone may have hurt them. And sometimes they r just perceiving ppl mistreating them due to their own inner dialog.
Btw all I have ever wanted is curves. So all the comments were never taken as compliments and also were never meant as one. Especially in a day and age where having curves is thought of as sexy.
I totally get this. One time I went to a store and asked an employee for a size 0 instead of the 2 I tried on. She scoffs and says zero isn’t a size, told me to check the kid’s section and laughed a bit. I was so hurt in the moment because I was made fun of my entire life for being petite and fit….
Love your podcast!! I got all my coworkers listening to it ♥️♥️♥️