Really enjoyed watching this. Remember there was a bbc programme following a professional woman gambler who went round bookies can not remember the name was filmed in the 70s or 80s I think if possible if you ever find that please upload memories of bookies when extel commentry was king. Thanks
Really enjoyed watching this Alan was a really likeable guy unlike so many other ' pro' gamblers on old you tube clips many bragging and clearly making it up where as Alan came across as both honest and modest.
This was absolutely brilliant, thank you so much for uploading !! Just a shame it wasn't ten times longer, could watch AA all day !! Do you have any similar videos to this you could upload please 🙏 Let me know thanks
You couldn’t get 2 bananas on to win 1 with the bookmakers a great quote from Barney..They shook in their boots when they seen him coming .This snippet from the past was fantastic ..
Pro Punters back then were mustard. No replays just the form book. Nowadays punters have never had it so good replays speed figures pace maps computers . Im not sure i would be picking many winners in the 1980s! 😅
Before computer programmes and pricing models, it was just one man's judgement against another regarding the tissue. Every pro punter would have been at the track with zero tax, and would have seen the racing first hand, track gossip etc. Everything automated to the smallest fractions nowadays, finding an edge is extremely hard.
The late Harry Metcalfe, son Ian there too and old boy Les. Worked for Harry in afternoon whilst chef training in Torquay. Special times. Roger De Courcey was a customer came into the credit office & Freddie Crisp.
Had a horse in Dundalk a few years back and the most an individual bookie would take off me was €50.I eventually got 10×€50 on and its the same every meeting at Dundalk absolutely dreadful.
Fantastic upload, proper old school bookies/punters and no gangs or stag/hen parties getting drunk and causing any aggro! What year was this made? Remember Gus Demmy on Cross lane in Salford in the 1970's when Bet Fred was Done brothers...
With my Welsh, Ulster roots if you want to make reference to the real gamblers of horse racing, then there’s only one person the great Barney Curley?🏴🇬🇧🏴
Yes Barney Curley was the scourge of UK and Irish Bookmakers. Even with new technology and affordability checks to protect bookmakers Barney would still have found a way to rinse them for millions.
@@horseracinghq These days it as hard to get a decent bet on than it is to pick the winner.You start winning regular and they start restricting your betting but they dont restrict them poor souls who bet on the gaming/slots/casino games .Im not a big punter but i am a regular winner and like to keep my winnings and that they do not like!
Stood in an old shed. the water running down the walls from the rain outside, staining the Chronicle or Life stuck to the walls. A tannoy speaker blaring out the commentary from Stockton, no pictures or tv anywhere to be seen. Fond memories of a time long gone. Progress?...mmm, not sure about that tbh.
Did i hear that the first horse he backed was Isle of Man a 14 year old ? A mad bet to back a horse that old, most are long retired at that age and horses of that age that do run very rarely win.
He certainly wasn’t a mug punter, he finished up making over £300 on the day & this was a very long time ago. Fair enough he got that one wrong but his logic for backing it was sound. He took it on the chin, didn’t panic & it paid off.
Who are you to call anyone let alone Alan a 'mug' did you not hear what he said about the horse especially about his age etc he was fully aware believe me.
A quick search of The Times Newspaper Archive tells me the meeting took place on Tuesday February 17 1981. Third race on the card was an Opportunity Selling Handicap Hurdle with 21 runners. Must have been fun round Newton Abbot!
Well he did say it had been running well not beaten far it’s last couple races and was dropping in class. I wouldn’t say it was too bad a bet considering one or two old horses pop up from time to time.
Not another one!! Keep your nasty sniping remarks to yourself they aren't warranted and again like I've already said to the other guy Alan spoke for 2-3 minutes about the horse it had ran a really good race only weeks prior to this had dropped massively in weight over 241b AND the class of the race was much lower than what he'd been running in...I can see why he had a small wager.
Really enjoyed this, the inaccuracies bug me though, after the fifth race, Alan, when asked if he’s winning says “there’s nothing in it, I’m just losing the petrol money….” this after losing £200 in the first and then only winning £100 (in running) in the fifth race. Alan then backs the winner in the last clearly states it’s 11/1 at the back but then asking for a £500 to £55 ? Why not take the 11/1 at the back £605 - £55 ??? At the start of this clip, he makes the last race between two runners, Old Knocker and Raise the Bid, he backs the latter despite thinking it looks like it’ll need the run on paddock inspection….he appears to back the winner by chance ….doesn’t come across like a professional punter to me.
@@wxyz9035 As a younger man, I regularly saw (and placed bets) with the fractions, it was pretty common to see 100/6, 100/7 and 100/8. I can’t ever remember seeing 100/11 but you could be right. In the last race, Alan Argeband makes it between 2 horses, Old Knocker (who finished 2nd in the Dante on the flat) and Raise The Bid, he then finds the winner and backs Raise The Bid despite thinking it needs the run on paddock inspection….doesn’t appear to place much strategy in his punting in that particular race !
@@wxyz9035 couldn’t agree more, his approach is flawed and unlikely to succeed over a period of time….. still an enjoyable watch, bookmakers with opinions and old school clerking very nostalgic.
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These old time punters probably forgot more than what these so called pundits you see on the tv now will ever know.
love these old archives brings back memories with my dad thanks for this loved racing in the 80s
Glad you both are enjoying the content :)
Thoroughly enjoyed that.
Thanks for uploading, enjoyed watching this. Feel like I have been born into the wrong era though sadly
Different world back then.
@@horseracinghq 100% AGREE! EVERYTHING WAS DIFFERENT BACK THEN 🤐🤐
Great show,,a blast from the past,,have you got anymore of these gems?
Really enjoyed watching this. Remember there was a bbc programme following a professional woman gambler who went round bookies can not remember the name was filmed in the 70s or 80s I think if possible if you ever find that please upload memories of bookies when extel commentry was king. Thanks
Fantastic ..beats working you know 😂
Hi Micky,
Plenty more horse racing classics incoming!
this is amazing! subbed! thanks for posting.
Special Cargo was owned by the late Queen Mother and went onto win the Whitbread Gold cup.
He would have got a great price in running that day as well😁
@@csb7376 Yes. I remember backing Lettoch in that three way photo finish. Gutted
Really enjoyed watching this Alan was a really likeable guy unlike so many other ' pro' gamblers on old you tube clips many bragging and clearly making it up where as Alan came across as both honest and modest.
This was absolutely brilliant, thank you so much for uploading !!
Just a shame it wasn't ten times longer, could watch AA all day !!
Do you have any similar videos to this you could upload please 🙏
Let me know thanks
You couldn’t get 2 bananas on to win 1 with the bookmakers a great quote from Barney..They shook in their boots when they seen him coming .This snippet from the past was fantastic ..
Pro Punters back then were mustard. No replays just the form book. Nowadays punters have never had it so good replays speed figures pace maps computers .
Im not sure i would be picking many winners in the 1980s! 😅
You got better odds then though and also there was only two meetings a day so you could keep track of the form.
Before computer programmes and pricing models, it was just one man's judgement against another regarding the tissue. Every pro punter would have been at the track with zero tax, and would have seen the racing first hand, track gossip etc. Everything automated to the smallest fractions nowadays, finding an edge is extremely hard.
There were far less 'regulations' back then. It was very rarely about the form book with this quality of racing. All about being in the know.
Those were the days. There are people still winning but they must evolve regularly before edges are found by bookmakers.
Do you use betting exchanges?
Great stuff thx so much. Did i hear a reference to Gus Demmy there too? Proper old school.
The late Harry Metcalfe, son Ian there too and old boy Les. Worked for Harry in afternoon whilst chef training in Torquay. Special times. Roger De Courcey was a customer came into the credit office & Freddie Crisp.
How interesting thank's for the update.
Harry was my father ❤i foundly remember this video. I worked as a boy for Freddie Crisp in his Torquay gift shop. A real character
Had a horse in Dundalk a few years back and the most an individual bookie would take off me was €50.I eventually got 10×€50 on and its the same every meeting at Dundalk absolutely dreadful.
No decent bookies left.
Bet anti Post In your book maker shops before heading to the track, don't bet with con men.
the best time for horse racing
You would be lucky nowadays if a bookie took a decent bet.
Agree with this 100%. Affordability checks and impending changes in the gambling act will make things even worse.
Go on course plenty will oblige massive bets on the decent race days 👍
@@horseracinghqI don't ever recall voting for communism because that's exactly what it is. The state dicating what I can spend MY money on.
Lovers only now
Loosers only now
Fantastic upload, proper old school bookies/punters and no gangs or stag/hen parties getting drunk and causing any aggro! What year was this made? Remember Gus Demmy on Cross lane in Salford in the 1970's when Bet Fred was Done brothers...
Completely agree Michael give me the old time's any day.
With my Welsh, Ulster roots if you want to make reference to the real gamblers of horse racing, then there’s only one person the great Barney Curley?🏴🇬🇧🏴
Great upload. Im more of a flat guy but still great upload
Barney curly knew the score
Yes Barney Curley was the scourge of UK and Irish Bookmakers. Even with new technology and affordability checks to protect bookmakers Barney would still have found a way to rinse them for millions.
@@horseracinghq These days it as hard to get a decent bet on than it is to pick the winner.You start winning regular and they start restricting your betting but they dont restrict them poor souls who bet on the gaming/slots/casino games .Im not a big punter but i am a regular winner and like to keep my winnings and that they do not like!
Special cargo
Went and won the whitbread gold cup at Sandown
Creosote they reckon it’s good over fences 😅
When bookies took a chance on their own opinions now it’s rows of iPads with the Betfair exchange 😴
Indeed. Their role now is nothing more than a middle man.
Very interesting especially when he says never back odds on favourites ? 😜
What year is this from? I am surprized that they were betting Live in the Run on a Horse Race. Was this a common thing in the UK?
Dusty carpet never been beaten 😅😊
is this harry h corbett steptoe
Stood in an old shed. the water running down the walls from the rain outside, staining the Chronicle or Life stuck to the walls. A tannoy speaker blaring out the commentary from Stockton, no pictures or tv anywhere to be seen. Fond memories of a time long gone. Progress?...mmm, not sure about that tbh.
Did i hear that the first horse he backed was Isle of Man a 14 year old ? A mad bet to back a horse that old, most are long retired at that age and horses of that age that do run very rarely win.
Old sunny summers won at 15 back in the day
Horses that age were far more common in the 70's and 80's.
Moleboard?
Definitely much better days for the purist!
He looks like Harold steptoe😂😂😂
These were the salad days.
Runs in snatches 😊
And people think that betting in running started with Betfair
what racecourse is this ?
I might be wrong but i think this might be Newton Abbot.
@@tommyhughes2264 I do believe you are correct!
@@tommyhughes2264 00.20......we don't have to guess
14 year old horse what a mug punter to back at that age against younger horses
I thought I heard wrong. A 14yr old thoroughbred. Way too old.
He certainly wasn’t a mug punter, he finished up making over £300 on the day & this was a very long time ago. Fair enough he got that one wrong but his logic for backing it was sound. He took it on the chin, didn’t panic & it paid off.
Who are you to call anyone let alone Alan a 'mug' did you not hear what he said about the horse especially about his age etc he was fully aware believe me.
A nasty know-it-all comment.
Punter alan , knew his stuff , fair play ,
3:30 who filmed this Benny Hill 🤔🤣
You can win if you know the scripts of the staged races. There are a few every day.
I would say a very high % of punters have no idea what is involved in being a professional punter.
A quick search of The Times Newspaper Archive tells me the meeting took place on Tuesday February 17 1981.
Third race on the card was an Opportunity Selling Handicap Hurdle with 21 runners. Must have been fun round Newton Abbot!
What a man
The good old days, crap now.
Some pro-punter he is. Backing a 14 year old carrying top weight in a handicap. The word mug springs to mind
Well he did say it had been running well not beaten far it’s last couple races and was dropping in class. I wouldn’t say it was too bad a bet considering one or two old horses pop up from time to time.
Not another one!! Keep your nasty sniping remarks to yourself they aren't warranted and again like I've already said to the other guy Alan spoke for 2-3 minutes about the horse it had ran a really good race only weeks prior to this had dropped massively in weight over 241b AND the class of the race was much lower than what he'd been running in...I can see why he had a small wager.
What an unnecessarily nasty comment
Really enjoyed this, the inaccuracies bug me though, after the fifth race, Alan, when asked if he’s winning says “there’s nothing in it, I’m just losing the petrol money….” this after losing £200 in the first and then only winning £100 (in running) in the fifth race. Alan then backs the winner in the last clearly states it’s 11/1 at the back but then asking for a £500 to £55 ? Why not take the 11/1 at the back £605 - £55 ??? At the start of this clip, he makes the last race between two runners, Old Knocker and Raise the Bid, he backs the latter despite thinking it looks like it’ll need the run on paddock inspection….he appears to back the winner by chance ….doesn’t come across like a professional punter to me.
@@wxyz9035 As a younger man, I regularly saw (and placed bets) with the fractions, it was pretty common to see 100/6, 100/7 and 100/8. I can’t ever remember seeing 100/11 but you could be right. In the last race, Alan Argeband makes it between 2 horses, Old Knocker (who finished 2nd in the Dante on the flat) and Raise The Bid, he then finds the winner and backs Raise The Bid despite thinking it needs the run on paddock inspection….doesn’t appear to place much strategy in his punting in that particular race !
@@wxyz9035 couldn’t agree more, his approach is flawed and unlikely to succeed over a period of time….. still an enjoyable watch, bookmakers with opinions and old school clerking very nostalgic.
Shush!!
A 14 year old, no chance.
Ha! Talk about after timing! The race took place 44 years ago! Tell us what's going to happen tomorrow and we'll listen!
@@chivauk ?????????
Classic mug speak.
Classic know-it-all comment