Ah yes I agree. My take away and paraphrase of Krishnamurti's words here: The whole world is configured to hurt...not you...but your image. Image stands in the way of your attention. It's lind of a noise, a friction in the human body mind system. As you build your attentional skills by focusing on anything, even for 10 seconds at a time, fully absorbed in it, the image dissolves. Now there's no noise, no friction breaking up the attention. And look, "poof", no more hurt. No more system that is designed to hurt you and break you. Nothing to be angry about. Instead of learning to defend yourself against the system, learn to train your attention. Focusing , paying attention to great beauty, in nature, in art, in music is a great way to master attention. Thanks for posting the Krishnamurti talk.
So you want to cultivate attention? rather go via negativa find out whats distracting you and stay with them in awareness without any form of control. There is no effort in this but our conditioned mind wants control wants effort thats why trying to cultivate attention seems to be an easier thing to do. Its another trap set by the ego. The ego excels in subtlety. The ego is highly dodgy . It doesnt want you to make contact with it at the deepest possible level. So you can never completely perceive it. Its the master of deflection. The human mind is enslaved and has been since time memorial. Therefore your thoughts and feelings are a part of ego's arsenal which in turn affects the physical brain - the neural network and pathways are conditioned. So you see what we are dealing with? But it is we who feed the ego and bring its wrath upon ourselves through lack of awareness. That doesnt mean we cultivate awareness. Awareness has nothing to do with control or trying to be something. Awareness is just being and currently we are conditioned and awakening to our conditioning is of utmost importance and how can you ever do that if you are always trying to be something else!
He says nothing of skill. He says nothing about training attention or focus. These are your words. Your interpretation. The cultivation of skill and training or practice is inattention.
Attention is awareness. It is so obvious, because awareness cannot be harmed. But at the same time he says that we should be totally aware of the hurt also..
But pain im is not instant pain when one hurts he is only aware of the the past because if he was aware in the present one would flow as the wind does when it hits your face and simply forms around it.
He asks. "Is it possible to live without a single image?" And then says that that means no conclusions. So, if you answered yes or no, you have concluded something which is to create an image, which you will identify with as a form of refuge.
Kristnamurti never talked about soul. And actually disputed that in religious Bibles. !!!! Either you have knowledge of this or you do not?? Why did you post this you do not understand what he is saying, yes!!!??
@@alexanderapollo2177 I understand quite well. If this bothers you. That is your gift you get to open up And explore. And have a opportunity to heal. Not mine. I pray you find peace. Unless it’s chaos your looking for, than please continue causing it for yourself. Eventually you find peace though that as well. Just because I post a clip doesn’t mean I have to take on his whole belief system. Even Albert Einstein had great quotes, does that mean I must support his ideas of marrying his cousin. Can one simply admire someone’s work without taking on his whole belief system? If I posted a classic song of R.Kelly does that mean I need to understand his underage bad relationship habits? One must not take everything so personal. Just let people share greatness and accept it when it’s shown. If it bothers you. Simply choose another video. Why the need to send negative vibrations? Breath, tune in, let it go. Life is gonna be alright. It’s Just a clip. Blessed be 🙏🏽
@@soulitis I was starting a conversation with you. I was looking to see how truthful you are, That's it😊. !!! And hopefully you explore the truth about this man. Who you are posting about!! You're misleading people $
@@alexanderapollo2177 I’m just a messenger I don’t lead just sharing a message. I’m no coach, no teacher, no saint, no guru. Just a man sharing a message of love and light. When I hear a good message i share it. If god aligns me with them I will learn more about them. But I don’t care to learn about people I just wanna hear the message that’s meant for me. Or meant for me to share.. that’s all
@@soulitis you said you don't care about people 🤷?? And kristnamurti dedicated his life to people. And for us to look closely at what he saying 🙏 See and all he talks about is going into this together. That's sad at least you're the one who said it😂. He also talks about insight!! No one said you were a coach or anything like that.$ that's what he asked us to do!!
Yes, but you can not suddenly switch to attention mode when someone is about to hurt you. You have to live every moment of your life in attention to not let your image take over you.
This is true, but one needs to practice really being in pure attention, not just imagining it or moving into a 'spiritual' sentiment, and also being connected with the body awareness and having strong connection with one's center. It is possible...
@@VOORHEES27 guess what? All roads lead to nowhere. The difference is. Your watching and commenting on mines. And no one any where is interested in yours. Im not worried about the destination. Im experiencing the journey. Thanks for the support. 😴
Towards the end he says "I give my attention to it, then there is no registration taking place" what is 'it' that he is speaking of here. Does it mean the other person who is saying the hurtful thing or 'it' means us(our feelings) when we hear them say bad thing to us. He doesn't specify what that 'it' is and that 'it' is a very important key word in that sentence
You provide your attention to what is being said as it is without prejudice as opposed to directing your attention to the image of “yourself” and how the words seemingly contradict or fortify that image. Your awareness is brought to the present “now” as opposed to the illusory “me”.
when there is a "you", you get hurt when there is no "you", you cant get hurt because there is no "you" you are hurt by a human being because you think you are a human being, when you know you are awareness, you are just aware of sensations and events happening without being "somebody" when you are "somebody" you grt hurt, when you are nobody, there is no one to be hurt
You don't register the insult, compliment or any other opinion if there's no image to hurt. There's only awareness when you give your whole attention to something.
What if u r being gaslit by someone ? If u r aware that that’s not u & u r also aware that the person u listening to with attention is coming from hurt… does it help in not being hurt? I always find myself hurt especially when I hold the person dear to me.
You hold your idea of them dear to you. Your love isn’t of for them it’s for your idea of them you created. Because they are exposing there toxicity and true selves through there actions.. There trauma they endured and didn’t deserve was not there fault. But there healing is there responsibility. Not yours. Sometimes the greatest thing you can do for someone you love is allow them to lose you. So they can in hopes find themselves in understanding that they lost the greatest thing for them because of there poor actions. And will continue to lose those people if they don’t change
Separate yourself from society. Not sure if we’re out here on this beautiful planet to join a society. Mother Nature and Father Time should be where we spend our time.
I can feel that. At the same time my experience with partners especially recently. Not having one sometimes is a blessing. Not having one is better than having the wrong ones.. allows you to just love the peace you can create with solitude.. because they can take you to heaven then drag you through hell. Especially if your giving people positions they were never qualified for in your life. Just love yourself. Let the right partner come in after that.. blessed be
@@SKY_art_dancer it pains me that you need to comment on other peoples pain to some how make you feel inferior. But it’s obvious that you never healed from your trauma. It’s okay bro. We still love you. It’s not a easy process I understand. We are all pathetic but there’s ones that accepted that and made themselves vulnerable and that’s strength. And there’s some that are not quite there yet and feel the need to tear people down. And that’s okay too I been there as well. Blessed be. I’ll take your attacks and return them with grace and love. 👁️🙏🏽😌
I took it as awareness. I think that makes more sense to me. When you give awareness to something you then begin the process of healing or you don’t allow it to just become bliss until something triggers it
To pay attention to something the same way you pay attention to something truly amazing, like a sunset, or dangerous, like a wild animal in front of you. For a moment, there is no thought, just perception. Because youre paying 100% attention in that moment, theres no thinking. Then after a second you lose attention and your mind starts again saying "this is beautiful" or "I am scared". Same thing with being hurt. Ego only operates when there is not 100% attention.
@@MintTree117 Thank you, what you say makes perfect sense. Many years ago after a traffic accident, I went into shock for a couple or so minutes. A nurse who stopped to help, recognised I was in shock and told my husband who was with me. The mind seems to be suspended and all you can do is observe without thought. It’s a very strange experience.
I feel awareness is how we heal. You can’t process anything without being aware of it and processing it. I don’t think it will be quickly. I think that depends on what your letting go. If it’s something that effected you on a deeper level. For me personally wouldn’t be quickly. But it will be a lot faster than if I didn’t give it any of my attention and only did when something triggered me to bring that up. So I feel awareness is the most efficient way of healing and enlightenment. That’s my personal experience though
@@TheDeepening718 what is real is relative are you saying real by definition or what is real in the spiritual sense because nothing is real. Only thing truly real is energy if you ask me. Infinite cannot be destroyed.
I have tried few ways of healing or as they say 'methods' of healing. But all methods are efforts. They have steps which you must follow. Thus they are the methods which is created by mind. Mind cannot heal mind. Only awareness can. The title of video caught my attention. I completely agree with the speaker. Just be alert of the trauma and its tiggers. Just be alert. Healing is your natural state. Healing is who you are. Don't try anything. All ways/ methods are lies.
@@shubhambajpayee7280 The only object of meditation is the subject. I don't follow this: focus on an impermanent object. Watching the breath is just a calm down exercise.
a filmy heroin got two award saying Ajadi came only from 2014 .i born in 61 never felt i m in slave era but nowadays i feel emergency .fake news troller n cctv of area n society gym bank gadhe of pmo watching as if their bhainsh stollen by me ..
I disagree. 1. There is always a self-image conferring us our identity or identities. If someone says it's one's personality or social identity but not true self (as Vedantins say) i think it's theology. Unless u see actually that Witness Consciousness in yourself not perturbed by attacks on self image, believing in such lofty words is inauthentic,self deception. Only thing one can do is to make an open and progressive self-image, which includes my image to be of that person who is honest, open to new views, reconsider new alternative ideas or views, committed to truth and not to ego or someone who is egotistic , to be able to see from 3rd person perspective... by such self-images one can be a better person. And still ...all of this is also ego. I have just made a better standard of my ego, my self image. I am not enlightened, I am full of ego... being egoless is also my ego. 2. Being totally aware doesn't always solve all problems. Say, I am hurt since u damaged my self image of, say, an intellectual, or a singer,and now I am totally aware. Will it now not register ...with my awareness and awareness that i am really a bad singer . I may change the image after a while if I do find it's true... After crying a lot fro weeks or months. And then I might be liberated from the cage of a false self image. Granted. But ...my self image is always there. i can only reform it by being open, accepting the truth ( if I am committed to the truth as my most important self image). If I am a terribly angry man, i am aware that I am so... Then what? Now, i can know that mist of time the blame is on me, i overreact. I overreact on the genuine corrupt, evil , mean, unethical actions or intentions of others. What difference it will make? I "blast" since it was valid reaction to the evil. But now ...why blast, why not gentle disagreement and non-cooperation (like Gandhi) or a mild scolding disapproval...? It should be... Since others being corrupt is their failing to rise above their tendency, so is mine, and even I am not perfect. I am also corrupt, may be in soft manners and that other is in hard manners. He couldn't rise. I also failed. So accept the 'corrupt other'. ...
Ah yes I agree. My take away and paraphrase of Krishnamurti's words here:
The whole world is configured to hurt...not you...but your image. Image stands in the way of your attention. It's lind of a noise, a friction in the human body mind system. As you build your attentional skills by focusing on anything, even for 10 seconds at a time, fully absorbed in it, the image dissolves. Now there's no noise, no friction breaking up the attention. And look, "poof", no more hurt. No more system that is designed to hurt you and break you. Nothing to be angry about. Instead of learning to defend yourself against the system, learn to train your attention. Focusing , paying attention to great beauty, in nature, in art, in music is a great way to master attention. Thanks for posting the Krishnamurti talk.
So you want to cultivate attention? rather go via negativa find out whats distracting you and stay with them in awareness without any form of control. There is no effort in this but our conditioned mind wants control wants effort thats why trying to cultivate attention seems to be an easier thing to do. Its another trap set by the ego. The ego excels in subtlety. The ego is highly dodgy . It doesnt want you to make contact with it at the deepest possible level. So you can never completely perceive it. Its the master of deflection.
The human mind is enslaved and has been since time memorial. Therefore your thoughts and feelings are a part of ego's arsenal which in turn affects the physical brain - the neural network and pathways are conditioned. So you see what we are dealing with? But it is we who feed the ego and bring its wrath upon ourselves through lack of awareness. That doesnt mean we cultivate awareness. Awareness has nothing to do with control or trying to be something. Awareness is just being and currently we are conditioned and awakening to our conditioning is of utmost importance and how can you ever do that if you are always trying to be something else!
He says nothing of skill. He says nothing about training attention or focus. These are your words. Your interpretation. The cultivation of skill and training or practice is inattention.
Thank you. I don't feel hurt when I listen to your teachings. Thank you for all the jewels
Graceful and grateful for the space you hold. Comments like these keep me going..
Dissolve your identity. You are not just a person. You are Awareness.
Silence is Awareness in form.
Keep quiet.
Brilliant..this is the system at work. Entrapment by fear thanks for sharing ❤
HEALING Through AWARENESS.......Thankyou Beloved J K Sir.......
Attention is awareness. It is so obvious, because awareness cannot be harmed. But at the same time he says that we should be totally aware of the hurt also..
Wow...just wow...thank you for sharing. definitely a lightbulb moment for me.
exactly for me too!!!
You can only be totally attentive or aware in the moment of hurtful event when you are aware all the time, because it happens in fraction of seconds.
But pain im is not instant pain when one hurts he is only aware of the the past because if he was aware in the present one would flow as the wind does when it hits your face and simply forms around it.
The great challenge here -- maintaining attention. Especially in a highly distracting world.
It seems the mesage here is:
Don't be the persona. Be the present event / happening.
Attention is the flame that burns pasts and presents
He asks. "Is it possible to live without a single image?" And then says that that means no conclusions. So, if you answered yes or no, you have concluded something which is to create an image, which you will identify with as a form of refuge.
Indeed we all are great! We all are one in many different parts of the same journey ❤
Kristnamurti never talked about soul. And actually disputed that in religious Bibles. !!!! Either you have knowledge of this or you do not?? Why did you post this you do not understand what he is saying, yes!!!??
@@alexanderapollo2177 I understand quite well. If this bothers you. That is your gift you get to open up And explore. And have a opportunity to heal. Not mine. I pray you find peace. Unless it’s chaos your looking for, than please continue causing it for yourself. Eventually you find peace though that as well. Just because I post a clip doesn’t mean I have to take on his whole belief system. Even Albert Einstein had great quotes, does that mean I must support his ideas of marrying his cousin. Can one simply admire someone’s work without taking on his whole belief system? If I posted a classic song of R.Kelly does that mean I need to understand his underage bad relationship habits? One must not take everything so personal. Just let people share greatness and accept it when it’s shown. If it bothers you. Simply choose another video. Why the need to send negative vibrations? Breath, tune in, let it go. Life is gonna be alright. It’s Just a clip. Blessed be 🙏🏽
@@soulitis I was starting a conversation with you. I was looking to see how truthful you are, That's it😊. !!! And hopefully you explore the truth about this man. Who you are posting about!! You're misleading people $
@@alexanderapollo2177 I’m just a messenger I don’t lead just sharing a message. I’m no coach, no teacher, no saint, no guru. Just a man sharing a message of love and light. When I hear a good message i share it. If god aligns me with them I will learn more about them. But I don’t care to learn about people I just wanna hear the message that’s meant for me. Or meant for me to share.. that’s all
@@soulitis you said you don't care about people 🤷?? And kristnamurti dedicated his life to people. And for us to look closely at what he saying 🙏 See and all he talks about is going into this together. That's sad at least you're the one who said it😂. He also talks about insight!! No one said you were a coach or anything like that.$ that's what he asked us to do!!
Wow great man
Great excerpt! Thank you for posting!
Can I ask do you know the talk that this excerpt is from please ? Sublime. I would like to hear the rest of the dialogue. Thank you
Beautiful 🙏👑💖
Thank you💜💜💜
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Great
Such a fantastic being... 🙏
Awareness of self-hurt unforeseen even things foreseen when seemingly ending tends to happen in vain complacency.
OMG this is the KEY to everything!!!
Yes, but you can not suddenly switch to attention mode when someone is about to hurt you. You have to live every moment of your life in attention to not let your image take over you.
@@jigneshvyas3105its pleasure to see people like you still lives in this world..
Danke! Von welcher Rede war dieser Ausschnitt entnommen? Which talk was this extract taken from?
Heal the world
This is true, but one needs to practice really being in pure attention, not just imagining it or moving into a 'spiritual' sentiment, and also being connected with the body awareness and having strong connection with one's center. It is possible...
The road you're on leads nowhere. Wake up!
@@VOORHEES27 guess what? All roads lead to nowhere. The difference is. Your watching and commenting on mines. And no one any where is interested in yours. Im not worried about the destination. Im experiencing the journey. Thanks for the support. 😴
👍👍👍🇩🇪
👌👌👌🙏🙏🙏
Wow this is somatics
Full video link please
Krishnamurti
WOW 😮…
Image is identity or the sense of "who I am" by charactericizing oneself in images, words, and concepts, which are all products of the mind, no?
the mind is sovereign and in a sovereign trust. it's all a product of the mind
✊🌹❤
Towards the end he says "I give my attention to it, then there is no registration taking place" what is 'it' that he is speaking of here. Does it mean the other person who is saying the hurtful thing or 'it' means us(our feelings) when we hear them say bad thing to us. He doesn't specify what that 'it' is and that 'it' is a very important key word in that sentence
I agree. I kept waiting for the Solution as to "What or Whom"" do I give the attention to?
You provide your attention to what is being said as it is without prejudice as opposed to directing your attention to the image of “yourself” and how the words seemingly contradict or fortify that image. Your awareness is brought to the present “now” as opposed to the illusory “me”.
when there is a "you", you get hurt
when there is no "you", you cant get hurt because there is no "you"
you are hurt by a human being because you think you are a human being, when you know you are awareness, you are just aware of sensations and events happening without being "somebody"
when you are "somebody" you grt hurt, when you are nobody, there is no one to be hurt
By 'it' he means the insult/flattery or whatever is thrown at you.
You don't register the insult, compliment or any other opinion if there's no image to hurt. There's only awareness when you give your whole attention to something.
Yes
What if u r being gaslit by someone ? If u r aware that that’s not u & u r also aware that the person u listening to with attention is coming from hurt… does it help in not being hurt? I always find myself hurt especially when I hold the person dear to me.
You hold your idea of them dear to you. Your love isn’t of for them it’s for your idea of them you created. Because they are exposing there toxicity and true selves through there actions.. There trauma they endured and didn’t deserve was not there fault. But there healing is there responsibility. Not yours. Sometimes the greatest thing you can do for someone you love is allow them to lose you. So they can in hopes find themselves in understanding that they lost the greatest thing for them because of there poor actions. And will continue to lose those people if they don’t change
That's the beauty of K.
He does not care about "What ifs".
Do you know what talk this was from?
I don’t know sorry. I’ll look into it
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Will be difficult to follow all this in a Society which is based on image and achievements
Separate yourself from society. Not sure if we’re out here on this beautiful planet to join a society. Mother Nature and Father Time should be where we spend our time.
You know what hurts me the Most? Still Not having a Partner/SO/Husband
I can feel that. At the same time my experience with partners especially recently. Not having one sometimes is a blessing. Not having one is better than having the wrong ones.. allows you to just love the peace you can create with solitude.. because they can take you to heaven then drag you through hell. Especially if your giving people positions they were never qualified for in your life. Just love yourself. Let the right partner come in after that.. blessed be
wait until you have one. 😂😉
@@shubhambajpayee7280😅
🤣 Pathetic hahahha u dont kno Pain. Ridiculous
@@SKY_art_dancer it pains me that you need to comment on other peoples pain to some how make you feel inferior. But it’s obvious that you never healed from your trauma. It’s okay bro. We still love you. It’s not a easy process I understand. We are all pathetic but there’s ones that accepted that and made themselves vulnerable and that’s strength. And there’s some that are not quite there yet and feel the need to tear people down. And that’s okay too I been there as well. Blessed be. I’ll take your attacks and return them with grace and love. 👁️🙏🏽😌
Sometimes its jealousy
By attention, does he mean not creating mind narratives?
I took it as awareness. I think that makes more sense to me. When you give awareness to something you then begin the process of healing or you don’t allow it to just become bliss until something triggers it
To pay attention to something the same way you pay attention to something truly amazing, like a sunset, or dangerous, like a wild animal in front of you. For a moment, there is no thought, just perception. Because youre paying 100% attention in that moment, theres no thinking. Then after a second you lose attention and your mind starts again saying "this is beautiful" or "I am scared". Same thing with being hurt. Ego only operates when there is not 100% attention.
@@MintTree117 Thank you so much for elaborating on it 🙏
@@MintTree117 Thank you, what you say makes perfect sense. Many years ago after a traffic accident, I went into shock for a couple or so minutes. A nurse who stopped to help, recognised I was in shock and told my husband who was with me. The mind seems to be suspended and all you can do is observe without thought. It’s a very strange experience.
It means leaving in presetence, this state can be achieved after a constant practice.
He kinda looks like Bill Cosby
Is this attention just a way of letting go of the past very quickly?
I feel awareness is how we heal. You can’t process anything without being aware of it and processing it. I don’t think it will be quickly. I think that depends on what your letting go. If it’s something that effected you on a deeper level. For me personally wouldn’t be quickly. But it will be a lot faster than if I didn’t give it any of my attention and only did when something triggered me to bring that up. So I feel awareness is the most efficient way of healing and enlightenment. That’s my personal experience though
@@soulitis I just look very closely for what is real and not just a thought and I never find anything that isn't just a thought.
@@TheDeepening718 what is real is relative are you saying real by definition or what is real in the spiritual sense because nothing is real. Only thing truly real is energy if you ask me. Infinite cannot be destroyed.
I have tried few ways of healing or as they say 'methods' of healing. But all methods are efforts. They have steps which you must follow. Thus they are the methods which is created by mind. Mind cannot heal mind. Only awareness can. The title of video caught my attention. I completely agree with the speaker. Just be alert of the trauma and its tiggers. Just be alert. Healing is your natural state. Healing is who you are. Don't try anything. All ways/ methods are lies.
@@shubhambajpayee7280 The only object of meditation is the subject. I don't follow this: focus on an impermanent object. Watching the breath is just a calm down exercise.
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a filmy heroin got two award saying Ajadi came only from 2014 .i born in 61 never felt i m in slave era but nowadays i feel emergency .fake news troller n cctv of area n society gym bank gadhe of pmo watching as if their bhainsh stollen by me ..
I disagree.
1. There is always a self-image conferring us our identity or identities. If someone says it's one's personality or social identity but not true self (as Vedantins say) i think it's theology. Unless u see actually that Witness Consciousness in yourself not perturbed by attacks on self image, believing in such lofty words is inauthentic,self deception. Only thing one can do is to make an open and progressive self-image, which includes my image to be of that person who is honest, open to new views, reconsider new alternative ideas or views, committed to truth and not to ego or someone who is egotistic , to be able to see from 3rd person perspective... by such self-images one can be a better person. And still ...all of this is also ego. I have just made a better standard of my ego, my self image.
I am not enlightened, I am full of ego... being egoless is also my ego.
2. Being totally aware doesn't always solve all problems. Say, I am hurt since u damaged my self image of, say, an intellectual, or a singer,and now I am totally aware. Will it now not register ...with my awareness and awareness that i am really a bad singer . I may change the image after a while if I do find it's true... After crying a lot fro weeks or months. And then I might be liberated from the cage of a false self image. Granted. But ...my self image is always there. i can only reform it by being open, accepting the truth ( if I am committed to the truth as my most important self image).
If I am a terribly angry man, i am aware that I am so... Then what? Now, i can know that mist of time the blame is on me, i overreact. I overreact on the genuine corrupt, evil , mean, unethical actions or intentions of others. What difference it will make? I "blast" since it was valid reaction to the evil. But now ...why blast, why not gentle disagreement and non-cooperation (like Gandhi) or a mild scolding disapproval...? It should be... Since others being corrupt is their failing to rise above their tendency, so is mine, and even I am not perfect. I am also corrupt, may be in soft manners and that other is in hard manners. He couldn't rise. I also failed. So accept the 'corrupt other'. ...
Nonsense
Full video link please 🙏