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Have you had mysterious experiences? Is this kundalini? | J. Krishnamurti
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ส.ค. 2013
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Saanen, Switzerland 1983 - Question #3 from Question and Answer Meeting #3
'From what we read, you have had strange and mysterious experiences. Is this kundalini or something greater? And we also read that you consider the so-called process that you have undergone to be some sort of expansion of consciousness. Could it be instead a self-induced, psychosomatic thing, caused by tension? Is not K's consciousness put together by thought and words?'
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I am crying. How can a man be this selfless ,this loving, this clean, this orderly, this righteous? K is gift to mankind from god.
You're right, he is a beautiful gift
He is amazing! But no man of flesh and bone is perfect.
There is no. god
you have him and the god that gifted him within you.
We all are just a minor differences he lives life as it is and others can’t so start to see life as it is and you are so called free😌🙏🙏
Presence of Krishnamurti is like the pure wind of Himalayas.
K is so disciplined. Every moment he is responsible and aware of the implication of his words. Never indulges our herd-mentality. Never shares his personal experiences which are unverifiable for us and hence not useful. He never ever slips in his mission to set man unconditionally free. Never imprisons us in hero-worshipping K.. Just pointing out to us drop disorder, release energy and see for yourself what follows. The rest is useless, or as he says tommyrot :).
You understand k's love.
Love is not to have any motive to exploit other's weaknesses.
And he does all this while being belittled by people who have no semblance of what it is he's pointing to. What immense strength
And he remain like that till his dying breathe
To all those confused/"objective" haters:
He's saying there's no way you can read his thoughts to find out if he lived those experiences. And then he also goes on to say that he perhaps had those experiences, but to ponder on this is trivial and also not verifiable. He states the importance of it is what you get at the end of the road (that's why he used the bath analogy). Then he explains how guru's trick people to follow them with the simple authority trick.
What a beautiful man. Illustrates his thoughts so perfectly, without ego and while making the listener think about the subject deeply themselves. He was truly something special.
He’s talking about spiritual egoists. So happy to hear this from a human being...being real. 🙌⚡️❤️🙏
Great service to mankind...trying to help in not getting trapped in to something small & meaningless for humans. God bless his soul.
Who gets to decide what's small and meaningless? One could say everything in/of this life is as such. We don't have nearly enough information to make such determinations.
He probably trying clear the cobwebs of our mind ... He is not saying the direct answer so that we can find our own answer . Otherwise the answer that he gives will be his answer and not ours . He is trying to clear the mind so that we can think for ourselves .
Psychic powers are good as long as we are not aware about them. So this is the right thing what should be told.
@Joža Gulikoža there will always be imitators of krishnamurti, interpreters!! To follow a man is the same as following a religion!! Krishnamurti here refers to himself as the "speaker "and devoted his whole life to helping people!!!! yeah you're right🤨 you might as well believe in something that you know of😉. Lot of security there just because you found truth in a person does it mean it lies only there $sorry no one person owns it👍 although you're right comparing is the way to get the truth🤣😂
@Joža Gulikoža thanks for being respectful!! Just so you know krishnamurti takes himself out of the equation and back then it was hard to understand him then I guess for most!! And to tell you the truth I don't know why, . he only speaks English😂 !! If it's the same message why are you comparing? I'd rather talk about spiritual principles then talk about who said it😎!! Eastern western truth is truth go find it!! No matter who it's from !!! don't look at the person, look at the message look at the truth. Period 👍✌
Hope you're clear about it by now... I had many of such experiences until I reach self-realization. What he's saying and very true is "what's important is that you're clean" - the end result. The details are of no importance... although spectacular, here today, gone tomorrow.. but what you get out of it is substantial; that, you keep forever.
And not take the role of a guru I concur
summary , Krishamurti said that Kundalini is in us and is our Energy , the more stupidity we put on our minds the more energy we spend .. if we remove stupidity then our energy is higher to spend it on more productive things in life or beyond as the meditators do ....
Whenever you think you need a slap of no nonsense knowledge and that you need to be put in your place, without losing on the aspect of love and fun, you should come listen to this guy! And in the end you don't even have to accept what he says.. Even he'd agree 😀
One of Krishnamurti's greatest lessons that seems to get overlooked is how he pauses after each question and sits in silence before he answers it. It may be his greatest.
Clever...!
well.... everytime he does that I can't help thinking that he is "channeling". Look at his eyes.
@AIWATE That's what I get also as if someone or something is implanting it in his head, and he just talks it out .
Thank you for this video. I had JK’s lectures at J.J.School of Arts maiden on some evenings simply cos I was student St. Xavier’s college. It went all above head. Today, having mellowed after many empty doors, it seems to filter through like water through a sieve. Our own seeking calls the Infinite/Inner most come running to embrace us and even put in his/her lap!
The more I listen to him the more I like him...
Great thing about him is this he never talks about outside changes and follow a guru but he talks about being your own guru.
Be content with the great things of life, the unanswered questions will only complicate life and leave you in turmoil and turning over every stone only to find yourself still at the first stone.
He is awesome! A man with logic and convincing power !
9:25 dear lord you can feel all this great volume passion ,coming out of a full blooming soul fulfilling its mission in this lifetime 🙏🙏🙏
Such passion. Incredible.
Message learned: Dont fall into the trap of: Guru-I know, you don't know, I will tell you~! Brilliant
Grateful to those who have shared respected JK’s understanding 🙏🙏🙏
i always will go back to this, the real beautiful inspiring persons are those with nothing or very little themselves, Who despite this, give all to help and inspire others, who don’t look to satisfy an ego but just doing good deeds for those lost in a very cruel society filled with people happy to look on and preach, or worse listen to these preachers, gurus etc. and then do nothing to help the helpless but think they are better for thinking a certain way.
We are all guru, god, whatever word or spin you want to put on it, do your best without thought of self and help those in need, without judgement, we are all one living being on Mother Earth.
It's the denying of the content of consciousness (prejudice, nationalism, cultural baggage et al), that ultimately liberates one's full energy potential.
@@vhawk1951kl what u mean by that?
The discovery of the truth of you, your higher-self
He calls himself "speaker" and that speaks volumes.
And since this self-destructive society is based on thought/conditioned mind, it calls it "life/living". Therefore, K kept explaining that death is the presence of intelligence/love. And in that presence of death/love/intelligence, is the absence of thought/programmed mind. But the problem is that most of mankind is attached to thought/memory.
This is the approach of enlightened people that they will not answer your question but they will help you understand your question.They will make ur question clear to you so that you understand ur question and out of that understanding you will aware of what is.
Dear Rowansart, I believe the message from K is any effort to strive towards something greater is actually the desire to strengthen the self. All experience instantly becomes memory and crystalizes into ideas, beliefs and concepts. All of this only strength the self. Only through active meditation, passive observation and self awareness allows us to live for every moment. It is the total negation of desire. It is ego death and that dear Rowansart is not something we seek. We only think we do.
Just let it happen.
JK was a beautiful human being. Speaks straight, sharp with his answers speakers about loving oneself and searching for you inner consciousness respects every questions by answering with patience, address someone as Sir that's something great. Reading his biography was like a calm beach with lots of the then famous icons expecting a Messiah when introduces to public, K destroyed it with a hurricane saying I am not as they have described. Yet imagine the number of followers he had from across regardless of his cut throat reasonings. Man of his time and many guru's follow his style of thoughts.
Still scratching my head from time time...looks like I gotta start it over again
Ya there was I time I felt like that...so wt did u do
He skips the question saying this is not important.
He was a wonderful man!
More than wonderful
Thank you Mr. Krishnamurti ❤🙏🕉
He is dissecting the instrumental facts, to the point, like an arrow.
Arrrow is perfect word👌for K teaching
Even Krishnamutri saying it out loud= just a game and the game is over...when both realize...its like that❤. He is awsome. True so...that when this thoughtsplays become less...more energy is upcoming...though also it can be increased and harmonized in the body...by knowing what it is...this body and how it works well...Y8ga can heal the body from my experience...so of course a clear mental state...though that is real Yoga.
One of his best subjects he spoke about
Man don't beat around the Bush, what help is this to anyone, love this old guy. Blessings
This man is so right, nobody figured it out. In those days everyone is a Guru and nobody knows nothing.
By applying what a guru do you will not doing it in your own way, if you are not! What us the point?.
This man is not "trying" to say anything. Rather he "said" through out his life one thing. Find your truth yourself. No one, from Sankaracharya to Sigmund Freud- from theists to atheists - from priests to scientists, are capable to give you self realisation. You have to investigate and find it. And when you realise the eternity, you will understand it is not important...
Its the manifestation of non self. Its not what hes gained but what he has let go to Attain this wisdom he speaks.
Oh my god what types of logic he gives can only be given by him no one can explain things such profoundly like him.
Good message - Not to be distracted or think too highly of my trivial experiences, which may have seemed significant to me compared to where I was.
Yeah, no desire. No nothing. Don't live, just, be a plant. Don't do anything... Their mistake is to judge desire. Desire made things happen... The man who talks about no judging is the first to judge.
Great men , so clear about myth
If anyone feels they have learned something by listening to j krishnamurti then they obviously have missed the point.
Unlearning
Yes...Everybody already have it... JK or anybody cannot give it.
as well as you missed the point with your statement.
@@meeranow You got the point.
Yeah, this guy is a useless idiot compared to the likes of Rupert Spira
Muy claro. Un grande este tipo!👍
With all due respect I would like to deal with the fact that he doesn't even try to talk about many spiritually things like in this case KUNDALINI while he is meant to do so. people have to learn about spiritual things.Having said that we cannot ignore the fact that all he is trying to do is to make people life simpler by asking them to ignore these things which are very complex an don't play a role in our daily lives ....that's the reason he is called world teacher 🙏
Great answer.
He is like speaking in behalf of buddha wow!.. and just like telling beware of false prophets. And Yes kundalini everything third eye,to chakra etc. are real but actually it doesnt matter that is what he means.. if we are just being conscious and live properly those things are just normal.. he is like buddha saying there is no god so to avoid the people from having misconceptions and trouble he wants you know it really by yourself..he is cutting the good belief system cause belief system are oftenly hi jacked or used by the bad stuffs like those jihad thing..
He worked tirelessly into old age and was sharp as a tack.
Humanity has moved so far the truth and towards curiosity of the mind, that anyone who utters any universal truth will attract derision, disregard, fear and hatred. The normal loathing the natural.
As I’m watching this there are 233k views, 2.3k likes and 233 comments. 🤯
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My god my clock just said 23.33 when i read your comment
It was 2:33 in The Azores, and The Solomon Islands, when I read this, but I'm in U.S., Mountain Timezone.
"Solomon, was very wise", it is said, and The Azores are in the middle of nothingness. The wisdom of understanding nowhere is everywhere, and vice versa.
They say, "There's no time, like the present", but all times are like the present.
Don't worry about where, or when it is. Just be present. Know that entanglement is, and contentment finds you, and non-randomness perhaps? It's of no consequence, to untangle the whole ball of twine.
The opportunity for harmonizing with the choir, is ever present.
Please, pardon my tangents.
Why does the mind look for closure? The constant need to wrap around everything?
I'm reminded, of when scientists took the measurements between the branches of one tree, and were able to determine, through understanding the golden ratio, the entire size of the forrest.
The macrocosmic, and the microcosmic horizons are equally distant, from the nexus of "Us", but we form understanding from ratios that are constant throughout.
Just as balance finds me, as I was 6 hours from either time zone to the East, or West, where it was 2:33am, or pm, I must also ask "Who came up with the arbitrary concept of where these measurements should begin?"
We coalesce our agreement, that the timezones are where they are, and we are cool with that.
Let's let cooler heads prevail.
This man demonstrated, there in 1983, that without humility and a deep and healthy morality, the quest for knowledge / power is in vain.
At 88, he still had a power in his speeches which would restore, in a few words, the fanatics who rule without humanity.
In short, about the Kundalini, I may have experienced it twice, spontaneously. I think it should be considered that way, without trying to produce or reproduce experiences. Think about the atomic experiment and the first bomb sent to Japan to show the world the power of science over matter, through the use of uncontrollable energy ...
Krishnamurti invites listeners long after his death (thanks to the people who spread his teachings) to THINK (for themselves) instead of running like a chopped off hen's head (this also really exists). It is an image to meditate on French speakers who are hypnotized by the spiritual new age.
Excellent !
A big slap in the face for those new age spiritual movement organizations which are built upon subtle self-centered ideals and lies. K's comments on spiritual experiences should be a wake-up call to those fools!
So having a spiritual awakening and experiencing other dimensions is a denial of this current world of thought and what makes up our minds and who we are? Is that what K is saying? If he were alive I'd ask him a few things about that? How is it that he can explain the state of the human race and all its madness and not see that as a creation of the insane mind, and then go on to tell us by giving energy to the guru, the kundalini awakening, or other experiences is denying our selves somehow?
"Deny the Content" ,is the Key.
An ounce of Practice is worth more than Tons of Theory .
'' Denying of the content of consciousness ''
Well understanding it enough to go to the end of it!! He said a lot more than that😎👍!! It seems like everyone wants to expand on this consciousness not realizing where that goes✌
Cet homme a démontré, là en 1983, que sans humilité et une profonde et saine morale, les quêtes de connaissance / puissance sont vaines.
A 88 ans, il avait encore une puissance dans ses discours qui remettraient en place, en quelques mots, les fanatiques qui gouvernent sans humanité.
Bref, à propos de la Kundalini, j'en ai peut-être fait l'expérience deux fois, spontanément. Je pense qu'il faut l'envisager ainsi, sans chercher a produire ou reproduire des expériences. Réfléchissez à l'expérience atomique et la première bombe envoyée sur le japon pour montrer au monde la puissance de la science sur la matière, par l'utilisation d'énergie incontrôlable...
Krishnamurti invite les auditeurs, longtemps après sa mort (merci aux personnes qui propagent ses enseignements) à REFLECHIR (par eux-mêmes) au lieu de courir comme une poule dont on a coupé la tête (cela aussi existe vraiment). C'est une image pour faire méditer les francophones qui sont hypnotisés par le spirituel new-age.
Which guru in business who had little experience ...ah! we have tons of them these days!!!!...
Don't always agree with J.K; I don't think he'd want me too so maybe I do, LOL. Anyway, think he was spot on in this talk.
K. Is the only one awake up to now, who does not describe himself as a guru.. still he fulminates against other gurus, who do.. like all guru's he says, don't listen to them... but he never says listen to me.. he says find out for yourself. And reassures you that you can. Tolle does this too, but sling lots of books makes him slightly less convincing.. always follow the money.. with K there was none..
Well, watched so many JK speeches. But at the end i could make out he is confusing the audience, Knowing westerners, he trying to be rational, asking target audience to experience them selves, but giving them teaser that speaker( JK himself) has experienced all that. looks he is teaching Nursery of spiritual aspirants who can be misguided with any magician show. warning them that dont come under the influence of magician.
Rakesh Pandita 4
❤️NAMASTE🙏🌺🕊✨
Namaste
I want a grandpa like this and a grand pa like dan pena.. 😊
❤️❤️❤️
K is the Kundalini energy
Don’t mean to offend you or be rude but your comment is in direct conflict with his message, isn’t it? I am no one to judge your intention behind it and I feel you said it in good heart. Mr.K would not have agreed with it is what my opinion is. You are free to discuss.
Practice “no self”
All else takes its course after that
Very True
Who or what practices no self.
@@martinratcliffe5987 good question
Very good advice, thank you
He should have been a Politician. He never answers the question.
And yet, he doesn't lie to you.
gospodin Krisnamurti uvek je govorio velike mudrosti.
If he says its Kundalini,people will start looking for it.
Exactly !
Marine Julien exactly that’s what I said too.
Yup
If you dont get what he said, watch the scene from The Matrix when Neo meets Oracle. Morpheus says whatever Oracle told you is for you only.
If only he was alive, in the internet era.
I recently had a strange experience,Jan. 16, 2020. I live in northern Missouri, USA. The temperature was around 20 deg. Fahrenheit. While at my computer around 10 AM, I felt a few drops of water from the ceiling land on my head. This lasted about 2 minutes. Then no more drips. A leak in my roof? Not at 20 degrees. I won't even try to interpret this experience. Though I have been into this Spirituality and Law of Attraction material.
Whoa weird. I've had that experience once in the exact same scenario but I was too young/dumb to understand. As a child, a teen and even the majority of my early twenties I kinda tried pretty hard to avoid being consciencely aware of any 'strangeness' I'd experience. Until I became a little older, wiser & more mature as an adult & could truly understand & appreciate the meaning of 'possibility'. As a youngin' I never analyzed anything beyond the surface level. These types of moments were simply just the norm for me & seemed uneventful . I think this would make for a good philosophy discussion lol
Come to India, Himalayan.for a New experience.!
Take it as having a good bath with those drops. And forget it.
@@Pdhanan lol
everything is mysterious to me
even this word mysterious
i wonder how many ppl with this knowledge is currently alive on this planet
That is a good question my friend. The fact of the matter is there could possibly be much more than we think there are and most of them need not know Mr.K or come across him whatsoever implying pure original thinkers. I believe you could be one too and isn’t that what Mr.K was trying to see. Your comment reinforces my belief further that our lack of accessibility to good wisdom should not negate its existence in entirety. I truly wonder how many of such realised thinkers walked on this planet without any significant human interaction and passed on without letting anyone know how wise they were. Such tremendous feats being a possibility given human potential of wisdom encourages me to strengthen my hope. Nice meeting you
Different man. Surely exteriors.
Very good speach. Well come.
Please.
Apt question
The problem with the philosophy is it is not straight. Instead of telling the things in pure and simple words, the philosophy makes the life complex to understand. Or is it my fault?. So many gurus, messaiahs,religious leaders have utterly failed to explain this life and made it much complex and further divided the mankind resulting in bloodshed in the name of the God, religion.caste.
There is not a right explanation of life but there is an understanding of it.
Manju Natha “No one teaches you how to see”
It is your fault.
Realization and true understanding does not come from a direct answer but through ones own contemplation of the teaching. If a direct answer is given it is but only an answer to a question and denies the seeker of realization and understanding.
Is one attentive to the urgency?
As a young man, I loved reading Krishnamurti. I even went to hear him speak once when he came to SF. But, I find this clip disappointing. He seems to dismiss the questioner's question as "trivial". I don't think it is trivial at all. I have had some strange experiences like those described, and I wonder, "Was that kundalini, or am I reading something into it?" "Was that other experience the spiritual dimension breaking into my physical/mental dimension, or is there some valid psychological explanation?" I really want answers; I don't want my question dismissed as "trivial". Perhaps Krishnamurti felt attacked by the question. But, the questioner obviously wants to know the truth and not wonder if they are being deceived by the kind of guru charlatan that Krishnamurti makes fun of. At any rate, that is my interpretation of what he is doing--becoming defensive, instead of sharing what went on with him.
Krishnamurti didn't like giving answers. He wanted people to find out the truth for themselves.
@@williamkoscielniak7871 hey man most of us dont like to do the real workk
Great!
K>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ALL
Pleasureble projections" Is beautiful word
Its simple. If he says yes or describe to you his mysterious experiences, you would then immediately attach to that "picture of enlightment", imagining the process/milestones to awakening is so and so, which again another trap built by thoughts and you got stuck even further.
Follow the leader.
Life has so many mysteries. Everything has value ?
He was a good guide.
Thank you do much for this channel
They don't make people like him anymore. Drop your middlemen and go for ancient knowledge like the one he alluded to.
pardon? you probably never been out of your box. live around the world on your own since child alone and be complete multiracial and multilingual. anyway.
Pure Gold
Forcing a kundalini awakening seems nuts. I guess if you have taken drugs like acid it may seem with in range to force. Love of God deeply will lead you to a natural kundalini awakening if he wants you to experience that. Seems to kill the value by forcing.
If I could induce such an experience I would. Why the hell not?
@@Nominay It has to with connecting with God. Cern wants to find the stairway to heaven. Decades ago I had the one more time blues on acid and mescaline. I'd jump off boulders to get liberated. It has ached to find God. Union always expands. I don't blame you. Don't hurt yourself.
Infinite Love ❤
What I really don't understand is K saying meditation don't matter, don't follow a guru etc etc.
If I could be my on guru, then am I not making myself more pathetic and worse being in this world?
Sometimes I wonder if I should just give up working and chasing all these status/money/family responsibilities and go o begging with a bowl. Better of to live a short life like Buddha or Vivekananda than an immoral and utterly nonsensical life such as this. However, I think I will have my spiritual awakening eventually.
Magnificent
*Great Man*
He always creates confusion...never answer directly. Kundalini is a complex subject, can be understood through experiencing only.
mohit sharma then why did you expect an answer from him?
If you want a direct answer, go to another enlightened Master- George Gurdjieff.
He makes it very clear.
Kundalini is Kundabuffer
All this talk is nonsense these days.
It was started by Ancient Hindu sages to give their disciples a sense of direction in their spiritual journey. Otherwise you feel lost.
But today it is a great entertaining topic to pass time and exploit dumb people.
he answered the question completely，without any bad effect. it's a perfect answer!
He never denies its existence, but asks whether it's useful? It seems according to him it is not useful.
@@ronalddash6520 but how can you deny the energy that moves up the spome especially when you refrain from releasing
Few ppl who follows some religious gurus argued with me that if K is against gurus then why he was trying convey his knowledge/experiences to ppl and denying being a guru but ultimately he is doing the same thing.
It sounds genius right? But I laughed inside and said if you would listen to K with all the attention and not follow him, you would understand what is the difference between following and listening someone with all the attention and focus. (I don't know how many ppl would be able to understand my thing and I am not an expert) 🙏🏼
so when we no longer waste our energy in fighting miseries, in desires and all the rest of it and simply be at ease, It happens at its own?
Praising K is the same meaning as praising self. The observer and the observed. Two sides of the same coin.
Beautiful