Has sitting quietly to observe thought any value? | J. Krishnamurti

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    Saanen 1980 - Question #1 from Question & Answer Meeting #4
    'Is our sitting quietly every day to observe the movement of thought by your definition a practice, a method and therefore without value?'
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ความคิดเห็น • 822

  • @robertwormald1865
    @robertwormald1865 3 ปีที่แล้ว +883

    5 years I've been studying this man... Only now, after 5 years am I starting to reap the rewards of this man's life work. For those working seriously twds freedom, know that it takes time, but also know that it takes no time at all. 🙏

    • @Abhishek-jc3li
      @Abhishek-jc3li 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      But as he had mentioned, freedom is not at the end, but at the beginning. 🎉

    • @SudhirDudeja
      @SudhirDudeja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      So what’s the change ?

    • @kevincastelino3209
      @kevincastelino3209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Krishnamurti was a rare Indian perhaps a rare human who experienced his own truth and said don't agree with me, dont believe me find out your own truth.

    • @mayamachine
      @mayamachine 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Lol work... I first read this mans words when I was 13. Stop working my friend and be.

    • @PankajKumar-mr6sj
      @PankajKumar-mr6sj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @plant worm , suggest where to start ?

  • @lostfound2265
    @lostfound2265 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    Buddha was asked, “What have you gained from meditation?” He replied, “Nothing!” Then he continued, “However, let me tell you what I have lost: anger, anxiety, depression, insecurity, and fear of old age an death.”

    • @DrSingh-uv5di
      @DrSingh-uv5di 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The answer to the question is right here 🙏

    • @kaushalsuvarna5156
      @kaushalsuvarna5156 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And how is the world better?

    • @psbstuidonashville
      @psbstuidonashville หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaushalsuvarna5156 world is world. the idea of it being better or worse is only about your ego.

    • @kiwioffgrid2437
      @kiwioffgrid2437 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      One changes the world first by change onself​@@kaushalsuvarna5156

  • @BabuSathyanarayana
    @BabuSathyanarayana 3 ปีที่แล้ว +560

    The uniqueness of JK is his ability to illustrate how to find answer rather than giving it. A true coach.

    • @alexkhouri
      @alexkhouri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Wow, he would hate to be called a "coach" lol

    • @astroclasses5794
      @astroclasses5794 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@alexkhouri such a lovely person can't hate anything or anyone

    • @ancientoneironaut1201
      @ancientoneironaut1201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Carefully, with the rather ugly word "coach" you're creaing an authority of him. He refused to be called a Guru, Mesiah, etc. I'm sure he would have refused to be called a coach as well

    • @skyhigh3511
      @skyhigh3511 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very well said brother

    • @leylastatin8563
      @leylastatin8563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He wouldn't care about how people call him if only their mind would become quite :-DD

  • @bobsarfatty4673
    @bobsarfatty4673 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    We all are so fortunate to have these great videos.

  • @yeshajariwala
    @yeshajariwala 5 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    “The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot
    be changed without changing our thinking.”- Albert Einstein

    • @javpraim6406
      @javpraim6406 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I very glad to listen to this . Tkank you

    • @iamnothing2254
      @iamnothing2254 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you try to change something you can't be changed.

  • @sandeepvarma6098
    @sandeepvarma6098 4 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    you need to watch it twice or thrice at different times then you will get what exactly he is saying...our brain will only consume what is up to for now. 2,3 more times to watch ..! & He is so sharp.

    • @Karnalrealtor
      @Karnalrealtor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sandeep Varma so what u get after watching it 3 time ?

    • @muneerhussain6472
      @muneerhussain6472 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great penetrating understanding u have

    • @boxingshokeen
      @boxingshokeen 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sandeep Varma no bro u have to only make parts of his sentence or words ,his uniqueness is his not give any examples or jokes because his not a “guru” or something mystical but he is a very great man but have no inner knowledge only knowledge of books and understanding he is also said that “everything is self knowledge”
      Its true that he is like flower but no ultra instincts like “bruce lee or GOKU”

    • @skylinetrading9498
      @skylinetrading9498 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Karnalrealtor I can see sounds now. I can hear colors

  • @Freddd95
    @Freddd95 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    "The way I appear now, I will never appear again. I am Life, and I am always changing. But still I am, always. And I can always rest in myself."

  • @perplexedmoth
    @perplexedmoth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Interesting. Attention is when the mind is most quiet. I'll remember this.

    • @jlosinski
      @jlosinski 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Beautiful summation

    • @uk1simon1
      @uk1simon1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Do you still remember?

    • @ireneyacyna6425
      @ireneyacyna6425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, Attention devoid of intention. I must remember it.

    • @jigarkheni9053
      @jigarkheni9053 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A gental health reminder ;
      ⚠️"Pay attention to your emotions" ⚠️

    • @kooroshrostami27
      @kooroshrostami27 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You know what's sad? There once was a guru who meditated all of his life, to prepare himself for death, so he could be quiet even in the face of his own death. But shortly before his death, he got dementia and forgot about meditation. Even worse, he would ramble and squeal in terror randomly, without any context, his mind was at constant unrest. He died exactly how he did not want to die.

  • @Guitube99
    @Guitube99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    18:49 "If you are interested in something, you are naturally attentive." Either our interest does not last long or we are actually interested in the result, not the observing. Then a question comes, bringing interest in the inquiry, consequently quieting the mind without effort. I guess that whenever the mind is not quiet, it means we are not interested in what is happening, rather in what could happen or has happened.

    • @BbrandDDd
      @BbrandDDd ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for this very poignant and profound observation...

    • @firstlastqaz
      @firstlastqaz ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lately, my best way of understanding it is this: When we were children, we all knew what it was like to lay down on the grass and watch the passing clouds. We were fascinated--mesmerized--by the changing shapes. This was meditation, the deepest kind of meditation people strive for now with various systems. But it was so easy for us. We didn't even have to try. Sometimes this might have even happened laying on our beds, looking at something relatively "boring" like the light switch or a scratch in the paint on the windowsill. But we were in maybe a relaxed or sleepy state of mind that we still became fascinated and the mind became quiet and one-pointed at looking at this object. This is wht Krishnamurti is talking about: The lack of a purpose or a goal, the simple act of beng fascinated with something. In this moment of fascination we lose ourselves and have an encounter with our primal mind or pure awareness.

  • @sarozgiri1103
    @sarozgiri1103 5 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    The motive of sitting silently and watching thoughts is not just to watch it. the objective is to change previous mindset that reacts to thoughts, the work here is to observe thought without judgement. The mind tends to cling to good feelings or thoughts and avert bad feelings or thoughts, the challenge is to be calm and unattached to both of the thoughts just witness. pure bliss showers when the state comes when you are unaffected by any of them, slowly you can enter the state of no mind. the purpose of sitting silently and watching thoughts comes not just by sitting 20 mins in morning, 20 in afternoon. The meditation is state achieved in between that watching of thoughts.

    • @Krzysztof_Kasprowiak
      @Krzysztof_Kasprowiak 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      My experimentations, quite extensive with sitting meditation brought me to a conclusion that it's pointless to sit in meditation for the sake of sitting in it. Even if it's supposed to serve some purpose - even the one you mentioned. Simply because anything you do should derive from the real deep need. Not from a need for calming the mind or any other need that serves a rational purpose, but from The Need - kind of an urge in you. Deep, beyond any rationalism which makes life impossible because it utterly grasps your attention and demands to be seen and respected. This need is the truth about you. Some people have this urge towards revelling the mystery of life in a spiritual way. Others more outwardly in the realm of science or art or any other field. Some people might be extremely dedicated to their families others to achieving god knows what in sport. As far as I understand life, if you follow this urge in you, really focus on it and give yourself to it it will bring you very far. You'll calm your mind naturally - as a side effect - because you're gonna be concentrated on figuring out this what burns inside you. Your life gonna be real and alive. Be yourself, truly and honestly. Don't betray yourself. Nothing more is needed. And damn, you'll achieve wonders. If you engage yourself in practices believing they will reveal anything to you you're just distracting yourself. Take care and everything good to you.

    • @Growing513
      @Growing513 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes its called stillness

    • @nagarajuchakka2077
      @nagarajuchakka2077 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes,you are correct

    • @meetmoviemaker
      @meetmoviemaker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Krzysztof_Kasprowiak well said... a very good advice.

    • @PeterOzanne
      @PeterOzanne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Ken Brown Which part do you think is like "trying to bite your own teeth" - "observing thought without judgement"? Or "changing the previous mindset"? The former is certainly possible; the latter may be just badly expressed - limitations of language - but needs explanation. Of course the mindset does not change if we are thinking: "Oh, I hate this mindset, I wish it wasn't here"! But maybe he just means the habit of reacting to thought with more thought, instead of just looking.

  • @aliciagc2539
    @aliciagc2539 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    His intelligence is off the charts. He strikes me as one who did not suffer fools.

  • @nattycampos
    @nattycampos 9 ปีที่แล้ว +244

    He helps us so basically, intrinsically, essentially and therefore, so deeply...

    • @nikhilsamy
      @nikhilsamy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes... So deep...

    • @hobo6676
      @hobo6676 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sourabh Raj Bapuli
      He does say he doesn't help, but he has helped me.
      What do you say about it?

    • @prasadlasantha937
      @prasadlasantha937 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Natty Campos

    • @andybell4260
      @andybell4260 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Natty Campos Some say he helps them some not. I find him frustrating. Not only because of his incessant deviation of topic but he constantly leads me into dead-ends. I find him Condescending too. He's far from 'being-there' (although hell say that himsrlf) I wonder how far he is tho.
      Don't get me wrong I hold him dearly in my heart, for many reasons. I'm still an avid pupil and he'll slways be one of my tutors.
      Y'know, maybe it be because of his time. A lot if what he says has become alot more succinct. Maybe that is because of him though eh!

    • @sinergynetwork1244
      @sinergynetwork1244 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Seeing just see .... hearing just hear

  • @Fnelrbnef
    @Fnelrbnef 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I find watching my thoughts to be one of the hardest ventures I've ever come across. So many layers, so incredibly subtle.... Shapeshifting, backstabbing, betraying madness. I just have to keep at it.

    • @shawnc318
      @shawnc318 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes

  • @adriatikcifliku1346
    @adriatikcifliku1346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Sharpest mind to ever walk on Earth.

    • @nugzila4170
      @nugzila4170 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Vast, yes. Sharp, not really. It’s mainly abstractions.

  • @annasellborn2590
    @annasellborn2590 6 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Pure gold and still explained in a way even I can understand. This man was a genius.

    • @coucousalut4899
      @coucousalut4899 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Geniuses make also mistakes. K himself didn't want people accept all he said

  • @deepakchandravanshi6274
    @deepakchandravanshi6274 6 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I have never heard such innocence in voice of anyone......

  • @carpenterfamily6198
    @carpenterfamily6198 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    14:38 Sit quietly, naturally and listen observe without resistance.
    15:14 Short comings of practicing meditation to quiet the mind.
    17:13 Then your mind becomes quiet in the process of investigation.

    • @edteune
      @edteune 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      exactly, that is what sitting quietly truly means. No idea why he went into TM distraction, so funny, haha!

    • @tocrank
      @tocrank 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He sensed that the asker called BS on his "views" on meditation and got pissed, I'd say.

    • @nissarali8788
      @nissarali8788 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Isn't that what Mindfulness is?

  • @mael-strom9707
    @mael-strom9707 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    When walking, just walk. When sitting, just sit. But above all, don't wobble.

  • @arvindsarai
    @arvindsarai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    You can be quiet in day to day activity . By simply becoming the watcher of the thoughts. But i think in morning meditation you can set the tone for all your endeavors for the rest of they day. Not trying to silence or control the mind simply watching and not believing all the thoughts and impulses of it. Being present moment to moment not just in the time of meditation. Thanks JK true legend newly discovered your lectures and love how they let us investigate for ourselves !

  • @RaviPp521114
    @RaviPp521114 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    If u r interested in something, then u r naturally listening ! catch it and come up ! when u r original,u align and feel it .

  • @sachinchhetri4834
    @sachinchhetri4834 5 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    He talks and I meditate.. 😊

    • @cyprusfootballplayers-cfpm7021
      @cyprusfootballplayers-cfpm7021 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      his talks are meditations!

    • @vishalrozera2004
      @vishalrozera2004 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What is he trying to say? That it has no value?

    • @cyprusfootballplayers-cfpm7021
      @cyprusfootballplayers-cfpm7021 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@vishalrozera2004 that it has value in observing without a motive and discovering the movement of thought without any effort, desire that direct the observation

    • @satyamdubey741
      @satyamdubey741 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      So true

    • @tominas7
      @tominas7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Welp, I have been deceived... Always looked like a she to me, although with a tinge of doubt.

  • @TheViking2
    @TheViking2 8 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    I bet the world has never seen a man like this guy. Keep aside jesus n buddha. The guy is epitome of TRUTH. Unfortuantely most people dont grasp what he is saying. They'll have their own time to grow up.

    • @LLLACor
      @LLLACor 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      +Stillness V I love to copy this excerpt from his 8/1929 Truth is a Pathless Land speech : "..But those who really desire to understand, who are looking to find that which is eternal, without beginning and without an end, will walk together with a greater intensity, will be a danger to everything that is unessential, to unrealities, to shadows. And they will concentrate, they will become the flame, because they understand. Such a body we must create, and that is my purpose. Because of that real understanding there will be true friendship. Because of that true friendship..there will be real cooperation on the part of each one...but because you really understand, and hence are capable of living in the eternal." Together, friends, we become the flame! That's his tireless, limitless love to mankind!

    • @mr.logician1915
      @mr.logician1915 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You said keep aside Jesus, Buddha. J Krishnamurthy has never talked irrelevant, I hope u too can focus on same rather than comparing. Just a request, thank you.😀

    • @Curiousnessify
      @Curiousnessify 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Stillness V - Well, thats assuming you know what hes talking about to judge whether others can grasp or not grasp. Extremely arrogant of you to make that call, like you're above everyone else.

    • @learnsomethingneweveryday1539
      @learnsomethingneweveryday1539 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      No need to compare, they are all one. The five sense are 'Seeing' seperation. The EGO wants to find the BEST and compare. It subtly becomes an EGO trip to claim you are following the BEST and you win because you found him FIRST.

    • @YogiNoGi
      @YogiNoGi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @vphoneac you’re on point and to add, not only can people not understand what he’s externalizing, but aren’t meant to. The Truth is not popular nor will be for hundreds of years. It’s much easier to live in a materialistic paradigm than to question everything existentially. Those who do only make up less that 1% of all of human existence. And that’s ok. This what God intended. I used to be a person who pushed my “weird” thoughts into people, as time went by I began to understand that it’s just not possible unless they are open minded and are seeking True knowledge.

  • @abhayyadav0507
    @abhayyadav0507 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It took me 2.5 years to understand him. In the beginning, he would seem very complex but over the time the complexity melts away. Now I believe his talks has too much simplicity. It's refreshing and changed my life completely.

    • @user-yi4cn9xp1m
      @user-yi4cn9xp1m 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes me too at the beginning it's sound to much complex but now it's simple

    • @luckyat50
      @luckyat50 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What exactly changed? Can you please elaborate?

    • @sajdinkhan9049
      @sajdinkhan9049 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I see lots of comment, saying it took me X years to understand him. Is it some paid comment campaign going on?

    • @sonalidivakar5281
      @sonalidivakar5281 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Change ask right ques to urself & enquire

    • @abhayyadav0507
      @abhayyadav0507 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@luckyat50 if you go through his talks first, you might not be able to understand fully. If you do, it's fantastic. But if you don't then you should move on and when you come back next time you will feel that it was so simple what made you not understanding him initially.

  • @MasterPredator93
    @MasterPredator93 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Dear Jiddu, i wish i could have met you alive...

  • @antaheen100
    @antaheen100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rewinding what you have been wired to by "culture ". J Krishnamurthy has changed my life.

  • @asstudio5107
    @asstudio5107 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Because of j krishnamurti sir I've learnt to observe the "me" i started to understand disorder and therefore by very understanding of disorder comes order I've completely understood that the world is me and i am the world.

  • @kalahneyhuna9081
    @kalahneyhuna9081 8 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Excellent talk - it's great to have such depth of life explored. Thank you Krishnamurti for exploring truth of society rarely explored by speakers.

    • @vishalrozera2004
      @vishalrozera2004 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      But what is he trying to conclude? I’m not getting it.

  • @usdubey
    @usdubey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Meditation is, and has been, the most important part of my life, not because there has been any motive but because it brings an end of sorrows, anxieties, fears and unnecessary desires. I don’t seem to have any motive to have an end of sorrows etc. but that does happen.
    Surely desires, greed and so on do come back again. So do come back sorrow and so on. They must be ended again. Therefore to live a happy life I must have meditation.

    • @nangotoman9429
      @nangotoman9429 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But that way it only brings a TEMPORARY ending to that specific pain, or anxiety, etc. That is why you will always return to that, and that way you will not be able to advance and you can get stuck if you do not solve it once and for all.

    • @jigarkheni9053
      @jigarkheni9053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All the emotions and sensations are normal , healthy & natural.
      Its okay to have sorrow , sadness , anxiety , fear , anger.
      But be aware of that .
      Life back to life with maditation.❤️
      Meditation ends the sufferings ,
      No mind ~ no suffering.💐

    • @philipjohnson3298
      @philipjohnson3298 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jigarkheni9053
      I disagree respectfully. . Its not "no mind- no thought". . But "No food- no life" and "No fluid- no life". Same with temperature etc. . If the body isn't served by these 'material' conditions no amount of 'meditation ' or 'no mind' or
      'no thought' will sustain your existence on planet earth. Sad but true

    • @kooroshrostami27
      @kooroshrostami27 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nangotoman9429 There is no eternal peace in life, only in death. Hit the guru with a hammer and he will scream in terror internally, he is just self-composed to the point of apathy, so he can suffer without showing any reaction. Accept that pain is essential to life and you will have one less sorrow.

    • @gianpierolupoli7734
      @gianpierolupoli7734 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is sad that you need meditation to be happy.
      Humans are here since 200.000 years ago without meditation.
      You don't need to meditate. You could stop to give too energy to this mind energy consuming thing and spent your time talking with people and trying to experience how human mind works.
      Stop wasting time and energy.

  • @WilsonKickbush
    @WilsonKickbush 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    From my perspective, it doesn't take a physical posture or "proper" place to observe our own mind, it must be done uninterruptedly wherever we are. Any time, any place.
    There is no right place or time to observe, there is only observing, that is the first and last step.
    Perhaps from there, in that observation that ends up quieting our own minds, not as a sought after purpose but as a natural consequence, only then, perhaps life will begin to reveal to us the deepest and most unknown meanings of our own existence, ever reached by thought.

    • @ai.ryan686
      @ai.ryan686 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes

    • @Seanb33ee
      @Seanb33ee 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s true we waste so much time when we ain’t examine our motives.

  • @krishnaprasadb5712
    @krishnaprasadb5712 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We don't mind corrupted spiritually. Be quiet naturally
    This struggle is spiritual progress 🙏

  • @dineshparmar3264
    @dineshparmar3264 7 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    yes... HE was only Gem ever produced by human race so far... people fail to understand him coz they just don't have such capacity.

    • @sanekabc
      @sanekabc 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Hey, what do you mean, only gem? You haven't met me. :-)

    • @tabish10
      @tabish10 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      true man

    • @sanathansatya1667
      @sanathansatya1667 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      dinesh parmar A child's amazement . Grows wider as his world of experience expands. Incomparably brilliant Gems are plenty.

    • @TheKstuart
      @TheKstuart 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sad.

    • @jcjc5702
      @jcjc5702 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      maybe others too but people sure twisted them with books and religions

  • @CalumnMcAulay
    @CalumnMcAulay 8 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    An incredibly wise man!

    • @37tara
      @37tara 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes indeed !!!

  • @thayaparansabapathy3184
    @thayaparansabapathy3184 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My god! What a fantastic insight into the meaning of 'being silent'! Be aware of all the delusions and illusions! Thank you thank you with all my heart and soul JK!

  • @matispure2
    @matispure2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +281

    quite ironic, a man denounces himself of being the world teacher becomes the world teacher.

    • @teeshaofficial7999
      @teeshaofficial7999 5 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      A real world teacher would never say that " You should listen to me i am your teacher" He will always say " you are your own teacher" and that's what Krishnamurti did. :) :) :)

    • @powerofnow5628
      @powerofnow5628 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      A wise man once said a fool thinks himself to be a wiseman but a wiseman knows himself to be a fool

    • @hamishbartholomaeus
      @hamishbartholomaeus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It’s the only way. :-)

    • @solidether6738
      @solidether6738 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      True.
      If you're start thinking about yourself that you're a World Teacher, then sooner or later everyone will start to do that. This can quickly, smoothly and imperceptibly turn to cult of the individual and idolatry.
      We all only have to listen to theirs words and confront them in our own life, and never worship the individuals, even the most wise ones. And only the wise ones will tell you - do not worship me. For most of the people it is very difficult not to do that because they're not strong enough. This attitude can be converted to fanaticism and teaching will stay only a blurred background.

    • @dreamdiction
      @dreamdiction 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      He declined to be a Leader by saying "truth is a pathless world". It must ultimately be undertaken by oneself despite a plethora of Guides serving as your gurus helping you in various stages in your progress.

  • @corpuscallosum4677
    @corpuscallosum4677 7 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Sitting quietly, or meditating with a method, works momentarily on a very superficial physical plane. But K is leading us to implore our deepest psyche, to see ultimately if we're self-oriented, center-generated doers in this action world. We must be the doer with no center, no identification, no divisions, no conflicts. That's responsible fearless love in action, only mediation in life. Thanks K and friends.

    • @user-yv3mx2hl1l
      @user-yv3mx2hl1l 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      how do you become the doer without center

    • @nikhilsamy
      @nikhilsamy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very good observation. On JK.
      Thank you for that

    • @edteune
      @edteune 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      haha, sitting quietly has not motivation, needs to motivation. K gets distracted by his own motivation against motivation IMHO in this talk :)

  • @DeepakTembhurne
    @DeepakTembhurne 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Immensely important... sometime doing nothing means doing something..

  • @RobertF-
    @RobertF- 8 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    This made me think of three words, all that happen to start with the letter s.
    Simplicity, Silence, Stillness.

    • @Jettie12
      @Jettie12 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Robert Also, shut up and sit down.

  • @PaulLadendorf
    @PaulLadendorf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    I've been doing exactly that for about a decade...a sitting quietly practice...and all I can say is that IMO it has had a profoundly positive effect on my life.

    • @Mugairyuiai
      @Mugairyuiai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I have also but for a good while longer. However I find what K says here absolutely correct in many ways. I no longer have to sit if I don't want to, I can just arrive regardless of surroundings etc etc. I am sure there are some lucky people who can meditate naturally.as K puts it, without any system etc, for the rest of us perhaps formal meditation practices points us in a certain direction where we can begin to discover the essence of meditation and not just a sitting exercise as so many have.

    • @ermetetrismegisto5341
      @ermetetrismegisto5341 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. Meditation saved my life

    • @brueffin
      @brueffin ปีที่แล้ว

      Corrupted! ;)

    • @VishalPatel-ns3py
      @VishalPatel-ns3py ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree. It has profound positive effect on life.

    • @molonlabe1033
      @molonlabe1033 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I almost prefer solitude and the time I have to reflect on my decisions I've made . I think anyone who is trying to grow goes through.

  • @uoykcufelohssa72
    @uoykcufelohssa72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great wisdom🙏🙏🙏

  • @EmperorsNewWardrobe
    @EmperorsNewWardrobe 7 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    I always thought that aiming to achieve a still mind is like conceptually knowing that you're exhausted from muscular tension and then using more muscular effort to try to relax...

    • @dbay9408
      @dbay9408 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Double bind

    • @KudosForYou
      @KudosForYou 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      dude, you are enlightened

    • @verenah.1190
      @verenah.1190 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      helpful thought. thank you for sharing

    • @kiranarora2816
      @kiranarora2816 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same

    • @lanusik1000
      @lanusik1000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What really helps is to separate your mind from yourself. If u can achieve that then it becomes small and you r not paying that much (or sometimes at all) to mind understanding it’s only mind and not you

  • @Happiness_we_want
    @Happiness_we_want 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love it...j.krishnamurty sir❤️❤️..you are awesome

  • @glaubs65
    @glaubs65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a treasure this series is.

  • @carlavela7106
    @carlavela7106 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for the subtitles.

  • @wiltonhall
    @wiltonhall 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Big smile on my face listening to this gem.

  • @777palena
    @777palena 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant !!

  • @rajahjain5559
    @rajahjain5559 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The reward is the experience.

  • @eydur2021
    @eydur2021 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow... I didn't expecting that. Thank you so much.

  • @Yuguy67
    @Yuguy67 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Merci Meeschter.

  • @rajnirana1064
    @rajnirana1064 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for sharing

  • @jordondepoti6637
    @jordondepoti6637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    "We are so gullible that if someone tells us something we don't have we want it." Such a powerful means for recognizing the root of most desires one chases in their day to day can so easily be the machinations of someone else's words rather than the product of our own volition...Creation knew what it was doing when it incarnated as this beautiful soul ❤

  • @prabhakargovindaraju2568
    @prabhakargovindaraju2568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As always what he says is profound and of immense value.

  • @edwintepuendikum3527
    @edwintepuendikum3527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for sharing 🙌🏿🙏🏿

  • @seemaagarwal1360
    @seemaagarwal1360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am wondering....So Krishnamurthy 's audiences heard his lectures for free !! Wow that's amazing.

    • @hereandnow5235
      @hereandnow5235 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes he is exaggeration a lot, observing ''my thoughts'' doesn't cost me thousands of dollars

  • @bebenavole
    @bebenavole 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    meditation relaxes me.

  • @pablomarquezgallery1973
    @pablomarquezgallery1973 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful discovery

  • @sunnycriti9809
    @sunnycriti9809 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Message

  • @przemekpolanowski8531
    @przemekpolanowski8531 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a cut! What a clip, fantastic! :)
    And what an ending.. very nice cut!
    It is fascinating and joyful to observe Him as He speak :) then the words becomes scent

  • @coucousalut4899
    @coucousalut4899 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It has been proved that meditation has a good impact on health even if the person only seeks avoiding stress

    • @graphstyle
      @graphstyle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Still humanity is in confusion and fear, full of conflicts..

  • @leonp1178
    @leonp1178 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh this is great

  • @skibusch1
    @skibusch1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    J is wise beyond words.

  • @nyneishabaratam3310
    @nyneishabaratam3310 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sprinkling beauty into living

  • @user-dt5he8wx1h
    @user-dt5he8wx1h 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am One with all that is Good and True ❤ thank you for Serving❤

  • @archietecht
    @archietecht 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is superb...

  • @orbalturner6747
    @orbalturner6747 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Excellent advice,really helped me realize a few things after 21yrs of heroin addiction,Thank you for this,love and Peace

    • @Jay-el9iz
      @Jay-el9iz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Ken Brown Oh wow this is why social media & TH-cam are amazing. I've never heard of this guy but I'll check him out.

    • @shreyagoyal2724
      @shreyagoyal2724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey I wish you are alright man!

    • @edwintepuendikum3527
      @edwintepuendikum3527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great keep up and big respect 🙌🏿🙏🏿

  • @sinandeger72
    @sinandeger72 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thank you, it's amazing when you observe one self, how one realises how one has forgotten to be himself or herself.

  • @inmanus
    @inmanus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Motive. Why we do it. Why are we compelled. Finding that motive is a meditation in itself perhaps. Tie this to the 4 noble truths taught by the Buddha. The 2nd truth of the cause of stress is craving and clinging to phenomena due to ignorance of the Nature inherent in all things and that they are impermanent. You know the Buddha did warn about three cravings. Sensuality, being, and not being. Those renouncing the world and sitting in quiet meditating in many cases still crave various states of existence or experiences they hope to achieve through that practice. K was on another level. I really love his radical honesty.

  • @TheSunnickey
    @TheSunnickey 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @surenderapple
    @surenderapple 5 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    Question: You seem to object even to our sitting quietly everyday to observe the movement of thought. Is this, by your definition, a practice, a method and therefore without value?
    Now the questioner asks: What is wrong with sitting quietly every morning for twenty minutes, in the afternoon another twenty minutes and perhaps another twenty minutes in the evening or longer - what is wrong with it? By sitting quietly you can relax, you can observe your thinking, your reactions, your responses and your reflexes. What is the motive of those who sit quietly by themselves, or together in a group? What is the motive behind the desire to sit quietly for half an hour every day? Is it not important to find out why you want to do this? Is it because somebody has told you that if you sit quietly you will have parapsychological experiences, that you will attain some kind of peace, some kind of understanding, some kind of enlightenment, or some kind of power? And, being rather gullible, you pay thousands of dollars to receive instructions and a mantra which you can repeat. Some people have paid thousands of dollars to a man who will give them something in return - specially a Sanskrit word - and they repeat it. You pay something and you receive something in return; what is the motive behind it? Why are you doing this? Is it for a psychological reward? Is it that by sitting quietly you attain some kind of super-consciousness? Or is it that you want that which has been promised by your instructor?
    So it is important - before we plunge into all this - to find out what is your motive, what it is that you want. But you do not do that. You are so eager and gullible; somebody promises something and you want it. If you examine the motive, you see that it is a desire to achieve something - like a businessman's desire to earn a lot of money. That is his urge. Here the psychological urge is to have something that a guru, or an instructor, promises. You do not question what he promises, you do not doubt what he promises. But if you ask the man who is offering you something: Is it worthwhile? Is it true? Who are you to tell me what to do? then you will find that sitting quietly, without understanding your motive, leads to all kinds of illusory psychological trouble. If that is the intention of sitting quietly, it is not worth it. But if while sitting quietly without any motive, or walking quietly by yourself or with somebody, you watch the trees, the birds, the rivers and the sunshine on the leaves, in that very watching you are also watching yourself. You are not striving, not making tremendous efforts to achieve something. Those who are committed to a certain kind of meditation find it very hard to throw that off because the mind is already conditioned; they have practised this thing for several years and there they are stuck. And if somebody comes along and says: "What nonsense all this is" they may, at a rare moment, become rational and say: "Yes, perhaps this is wrong; then begins the trouble, the conflict, between what they have found rationally for themselves and that which they have been practising for the last ten years - a struggle that is called progress, spiritual progress!
    The mind is always chattering, always pursuing one thought or another, one set of sensory responses after another set of responses. In order to stop that chattering you try to learn concentration, forcing the mind to stop chattering and so the conflict begins again. This is what you are doing; chattering, chattering, talking endlessly about nothing. Now, if you want to observe something, a tree, a flower, the lines of the mountains, you have to look, you have to be quiet. But you are not interested in the mountains, or the beauty of the hills and the valleys and the waters; you want to get somewhere, achieve something, spiritually.
    Is it not possible to be quiet, naturally - to look at a person, or to listen to a song, or to listen to what somebody is saying quietly, without resistance, without saying, "I must change, I must do this, I must do that", just to be quiet? Apparently that is most difficult. So you practise systems to be quiet. Do you see the fallacy of it? To practise a method, a system, a regular everyday routine, as a result of which you think the mind will at last be quiet; but it will never be quiet; it is mechanical, it has become set in a pattern, dull and insensitive. You do not see all that; you want to get something - an initiation! Oh, it is all so childish.
    If you listen quietly, not saying the speaker is right or wrong, or saying, I am committed to this, I have promised not to give it up; I am this, that, the other thing", but listen to what is being said without resistance, then what you are doing is your own discovery, then your mind in the very process of investigation becomes quiet.
    So can we, ordinary people, with all our troubles and turmoils, be quiet and listen to all the prattlings of our own movements of thought? Is it possible to sit, or stand, or walk quietly, without any promptings from another, without any reward or desire for extraordinary super-physical sensory experiences? Begin at the most rational level; then one can go very far.

    • @shawshank..1375
      @shawshank..1375 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      How can i quiet my mind?
      If i simply see someone speaking, i see many thoughts arising as well as i see my motive of seeing those thoughts.

    • @francescoli306
      @francescoli306 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@shawshank..1375
      Observe everything, without preference or rejection.
      Choiceless awareness. Be aware without motive.

    • @WilsonKickbush
      @WilsonKickbush 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      From my perspective, it doesn't take a physical posture or "proper" place to observe our own mind, it must be done uninterruptedly wherever we are. Any time, any place.
      There is no right place or time to observe, there is only observing, that is the first and last step.
      Perhaps from there, in that observation that ends up quieting our own minds, not as a sought after purpose but as a natural consequence, only then, perhaps life will begin to reveal to us the deepest and most unknown meanings of our own existence, ever reached by thought.

    • @saketsagar2156
      @saketsagar2156 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I practice it in any given moments by choice to observe myself and my doings regardless of any opinion or interference about the same

    • @saketsagar2156
      @saketsagar2156 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      surender mekala also I falled asleep listening to this as if there is nothing else in this world to care for. Such is the charm of this gentleman. Hats off

  • @TheShavarin
    @TheShavarin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    at least I am learning new english words by listening to K sir! Its improving.

  • @mohammedirfan8027
    @mohammedirfan8027 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful

  • @sevaad
    @sevaad 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love him!

  • @psubashk
    @psubashk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    meditation explained so well.

  • @lakshmir1333
    @lakshmir1333 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Greatest understanding

  • @sushilsoni2003
    @sushilsoni2003 6 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    I think- one cannot start with K but end only possible with K.

    • @teeshaofficial7999
      @teeshaofficial7999 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yes very deep and true. I started off from someone else but in the end after so many years of practices ended up to JK.

    • @rishabhsen84
      @rishabhsen84 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      It doesn't ends with k, k teaches to end with ourselves.

    • @apoorvapathak3008
      @apoorvapathak3008 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So true

    • @sanjivnavalagatti8061
      @sanjivnavalagatti8061 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      U have understood k pergectly ,

    • @jadezee6316
      @jadezee6316 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i started off with Krishnamurti...think on these things.....many years ago

  • @Nadia_891
    @Nadia_891 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Meditation is listening to soothing voice of this great man ☺.

  • @misinca
    @misinca ปีที่แล้ว

    The true master! 🙏🙏🙏

  • @bhavishyapandey4809
    @bhavishyapandey4809 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To discover something it has all the beauty for me.

  • @MsShivakumar007
    @MsShivakumar007 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    True enlightenment is this.. never fancy anything

  • @victorclarke4744
    @victorclarke4744 8 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    A most important message of our age .

  • @nitaibishop
    @nitaibishop 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was excellent….. thank you

  • @dadoymandra9473
    @dadoymandra9473 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this man

  • @juanlozano6765
    @juanlozano6765 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2020. A year to "sit quietly". Thanks JK

  • @werner420ful
    @werner420ful 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seriously ! Hats off!

  • @anonymousatman8938
    @anonymousatman8938 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pure wisdom ...

  • @rengrag4868
    @rengrag4868 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    a real insight....a real seeking....

  • @ramakrishnademeester1439
    @ramakrishnademeester1439 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you.

  • @foodbadgersnew
    @foodbadgersnew หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you sir

  • @MohamedMedhat-ic5ng
    @MohamedMedhat-ic5ng 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just want to cry,
    i feel my mind is conditioned for the thought of "studying" that makes listening to any thing that i find useful very difficult. Cause "i have to **learn** from it". In a way that's making me not even paying attention to whatever that i want to know about. I finally feel like i can truly say that i understand what does it mean to be here or to do something without motive or without waiting for something in return. For all the psychological burden that this motive bring, Just be here without trying anything, without forcing anything simply enjoying this beautiful moment and life. Thank you to Krishna murti and thank you to whoever made this channel and posted that vedio and thank you to whoever made that vedio

  • @smithshukla
    @smithshukla 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing

  • @harishbhurani1810
    @harishbhurani1810 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fact revealed about self.......... and understanding about brain is amazing revealtion by this man.... simply application of these facts made many things smooth in living.
    Gratitude expression will be very inadequate by words.
    Lots of love and affection 🙏

  • @gregnicholls8347
    @gregnicholls8347 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It seems at its root the watching of thought is for brain to be sensing brain activity. It's so easy to forget that all consciousness, whether it is the sensation of space out there as the physical environment or the sensation of space-time thought as moment been or possible to be as so-called past/future, is taking place inside the darkness of skull as silent brain activity. Brain seeing, sensing brain activity is the discovery that reveals the root of our existence.

  • @NishantSingh-qe7vv
    @NishantSingh-qe7vv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Most valuable extra ordinary video

  • @kshri4417
    @kshri4417 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very true excellent video 👍 brilliant 🎉

  • @gnanasughana1902
    @gnanasughana1902 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow sir wow! You are just wow

  • @carlosalbertodesouza8599
    @carlosalbertodesouza8599 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    muito grato...

  • @srinivasraju5788
    @srinivasraju5788 ปีที่แล้ว

    🙏 really he always talk practically and logically 🙏 true spirituality thought by him

  • @1Jason
    @1Jason 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s a great talk

  • @KeremPARLAKGUMUS-uc4xb
    @KeremPARLAKGUMUS-uc4xb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it was very useful for me, thank you.

  • @ArtBertrand1970
    @ArtBertrand1970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's nothing to comment ....i'm just grateful for the lessons that opens my mind to see through the great Illusion....!

  • @Sunshine-zi7oy
    @Sunshine-zi7oy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant 🤍🤍🤍